It was GREF ROMAN SYSTEM THAT WAS HOLDING LAMAR BACK ….SPEAK THE TRUTH …Lamar wanted him gone after 2020 season …The same year Hollywood left Lamar wanted him out but the media created a narrative that Lamar could only play in that system and the Ravens created it for him …Lamar did not like it !!
Exactly!! And last year his numbers would have been better but they had such large leads and the defense was so good, he just spent half the games milking clock and not stat padding. This year because of the lackluster defense he is having to stat pad in a way just because a lot of the games are shoot outs. And he’s proven time and time again he can win shootouts
Actually I bet Jim Harbaugh sold the idea to John. Kapernick was the blueprint with Greg Williams. Cheap wide receivers on rookie contracts plus multiple tight ends don't eat up salary cap so they spent money on defense in Lamars first years. No free agent receivers wanted nooo part of Baltimore.
Can't call out Greg Roman because then they might have to admit that he's also holding Justin Herbert back and that would suggest Jim made a bad decision!
@@justinbellamy1399 When I see Lamar play, I turn the TV off. I want to watch good QB play, not athletic QB play. Now Goff on the other hand, that real football, that must watch!
I think once he gets over the hurdle and wins one then he’ll be unbeatable until he physically starts to slow down so potentially he could be. He improves every year and he’s only 27
I think every year training, diets, and medicine, etc, gets better. I don't think too many guys really lose their speed when they're that fast, barring injury. Lamar will never really lose his speed, maybe just a slight step. Even brady at 47 is faster than he was at 22 lol.
I think mahomes and lamar will end up sharing that title. Ive never seen anyone as athletic and freaky as L, or anybody with the throws and IQ of mahomes at qb, we are truly blessed man.
Mahomes makes bad decisions like he’s Josh Allen.. but you don’t understand that yet… Look at Andy Reid’s track record with QBs he made everyone look good
@@jefeseason4990 bro got 3 superbowls in 7 years im not tryna hear nothing you talkin about bro. I been a ravens fan my whole life and what mahomes doin is nuts. How can you watch either one of them and hate their game? Lol
@@jefeseason4990 bad decisions/taking chances and it works . Different sides of the same coin depending on if its a catch or incompletion. Sit back n enjoy the show my boy, cuz you could never step foot on the field and do any of that
Two things can be true at the same time. It is true that there is literally nobody currently playing football that is more incredible to watch than Lamar Jackson and it is also true that Lamar has faults-he still needs to win the SB has to get better in other ways. His faults do not negate his greatness. Mahommes is not having the best start to the season and he himself has said he’s not playing well-does that negate his greatness? Absolutely not. Some of you need to learn to walk and chew gum and the same time-stop with the tunnel vision and the Lamar hate-it’s getting boring now.
You’re right but players will always be judged by championships. Mahomes and the Chiefs started off terrible last year and had people wondering if they were the worst offense ever and if their reign was over. We obviously can’t know what’s going to happen until it does. If Lamar beats KC and wins a ring, a lot of them will move the goalposts, sure, but most of them will shut up.
All these people continue to call him a running back and he could retire at the end of this year and get inducted into the HoF as a QUARTERBACK. The delusion in the haters is unrivaled.
He could be the greatest to ever do it but people only count rings. It’s a semi-fair argument. But GOAT status is not just rings. You have to take a player for their whole. Their stats, their rings, their accolades, their impact to the game. Brady meets all of those qualifications and that is why he is seen as the GOAT QB. Can’t say player, every position deserves its roses and folks get caught up in that cycle. That’s ok. We are slaves to emotions. Lamar will be a hall of famer and a champion when all is said and done. Some of his criticisms are fair but we are speaking of a team sport not an individual like wrestling or shotput, etc. he had a team that can get him there. ❤Ravens Fan since ‘96
Theoretically anyone "could" become the all time GOAT. Is it likely anyone will unseat Brady anytime soon? No, it's not likely. Especially not Lamar who already has several years under his belt coming up short. But when he's great, he's really great and a lot of fun to watch so let's just leave it at that.
Where is that guy, Doug Gottlieb, who said Sam Darnold was a better QB than Lamar, and Lamar will definitely not succeed long term in the NFL? He was quite adament about it.
@@normacherylwashington4872 Yes, I appreciate your fandom, but being fair in today's America should override everything , because if not it can come back to bite you, and me, on every level of the pay scale.
Lamar is Primetime like Jordan..there were other players who Statistically may have done better in those years..but they did not have that it factor. I GO BY WHAT OTHER HOF QBS HAVE SAID..Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Troy Akman, Peyton Manning, Eli, and others..never analysts because game knows game! Lamar is special!
This is a modern take and I hate it so much. When I was growing up, titles didn’t define entire careers like they do these days man. There was nuance and actual conversation about a team and their ability as a whole to be successful. I’m not sure when, but I think it was around the time Lebron won the scoring title that your entire career came down to how many rings you have. It’s stupid. Why even care about the season if all that matters is the superbowl? This isn’t even about Lamar individually. It’s about these narratives as a whole. Peyton Manning didn’t even get to a Super Bowl until year 8 and I remember him being called the future GOAT behind Marino before he won. For most of my life the debate about QB Was Montana vs Marino & nobody dismissed Dan because he had no rings. Ask somebody today and they’ll say he was average at best cause he never won. Football is the most team oriented sport. It’s a team accomplishment.
@@keyminor6886 I’m on the spectrum of achievements are at the centre of sports. To me reaching a Super Bowl counts as an achievement it is a team sport but u can’t be terrible in the playoffs n be the considered the greatest come on now
Mahomes has 3 rings and he would still need at least another 2 to even enter the conversation. Lamar can go down as one of the most skilled ever, or most difficult to defend etc. I just dont see Ravens getting 4-5 rings in the next 8-10 years
If they can flip the script on the Chiefs and find a way to get past them, they absolutely can. I know, we can sit here and talk all we want, it doesn’t matter until it happens. But everyone said Jordan couldn’t beat the Celtics… until suddenly he did. Then he won 6 rings in 8 years (the other 2 he didn’t even really play in). The team around him now is young enough and talented enough to keep him in the Super Bowl conversation for years. So IF he can figure out how to beat the Chiefs once, there’s no reason he can’t continue to do it over and over again.
@JOSHUA8CS no don't sell yourself short. Lamar will activate all other "athletic" people at QB. Which diminishes the "unathletic" QB. Why u think they did that to Vick? Lamar always been like this. They just held him back for obvious reasons
Mahomes had 0 rings at one point and people were speculating if he could surpass beady because of mahomes stats. Might as well do the same for Lamar since we just want to throw the term “goat” around so freely when it’s nowhere near deserved yet.
Yea we asking that because the way Lamar is playing it might be the end of the mahomes era Lamar stops his 3 peat and 3peat his self thin who would be the goat with back to back MVP and super bowl MVP it could happen my friends 😂😂
@@tgs5725 no no, they’re not masking it. Everyone sees his statistical falloff, that’s why the golden boy lovers have pivoted to being win merchants. They’re undefeated so that means he’s just the best qb in the league.
Why do you haters use that narrative only for Lamar? Yall don't use that narrative for any other QB. Lamar isn't the only one that goes home in the playoffs. Only 1 team wins it all.
The alternative is historical bias. You act like there’s an objective truth here but there isn’t and won’t be until the Super Bowl actually comes around. Until then, all we can do is give opinions and speculate.
Absolutely. He's already a certified first ballot HOFer. If he gets a ring, maybe even two, he's in the top 10 all time discussions and you could make a great case for that.
I actually hadn't given the ring question much thought, but you're right. I think multiple MVPs puts you in the conversation, even if your team didn't win a Super Bowl. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, and Dan Fouts are in the hall of fame never having won a championship.
@@VulcanLogic yeah what Lamar has done as a dual threat QB is nothing short of generationally and historically great. He's better than Vick, better than insert dual threat QB here. That alone secures a HOF spot. Getting a ring makes the convo shift to something greater.
He could already be if they had a defense for the last five years!!! Don’t make sense except maybe they can’t handle him winning the championship. Lamar has been a champion since high school so stop it.
Kurt is over thinking it a bit!! The Ravens receiving chore was among the worst when it comes to route running four of the last six years!!! So passing on script was never a viable option for Lamar!! For Lamar to have had to request a trade really showed what type of organization the Ravens are!!! Having got one good piece on D. Henry altered the SB trajectory; eventhoug he (Henry) was considered on his way to downgrading!! K Mitchell showed the danger of having a decent RB1 last season!!!
@@ajfatca Not in the sense, people are making it out to be. The argument that it's mostly because he's improved is pushed strongest by those who pushed back when his fans years ago were saying he's being limited by Roman and the lack of outside weapons. Under Roman, it was here's the play. Run it. If things break down, improvise. Here's an RPO. Make one pre snap read, and go. Now he has autonomy. It's been stated by someone watching him during the Washington game, that he was making checks all game long. Checking into plays consistently that befuddled the opposing DC. Roman wouldn't let him do that. For 4 years, people kept saying, he can't read defenses. He wasn't allowed to. He was forced to play reactionary all game. Wait for Roman's rudimentary play to develop, or run. This isn't just an improved Lamar. It's a player allowed to truly play the position, showing who he is.
Just like Pete Carrol not running lynch with a time out left gifting New England another rigged SB,the Browns passing on Lamar, and Josh Allen for a should have been 4th round pick Baker Mayfield. Makes nonracist Cleveland fans want to Earl.
bro spent years focusing on Lamar's very few miss reads while allowing Herbert and Trevor and Allen to go without lame even though Lamar DONT MISS READS OR THROWS MORE THAN THEM
He’ll never win as many as Brady and it’s hard to also compete with what Mahomes has already down so he’ll never be considered the goat more than likely but he can be one of the greatest of all time if his play currently sustains for 5-7 seasons. He’s young enough to manage that other than possibly losing the running just due to the nature of football
Mahomes leads: Head 2 Head 5-1 Titles 3-ZERO SBs 4-ZERO AFC Championships 6-1 Playoffs 15-3 vs 2-4 😳 SB MVPs 3-ZERO Y'all go sit at the kids table.....
I remember how Rich was talking when Lamar wanted his contract. He was caping for the Ravens organization saying they did everything for Lamar which was a blatant lie
Lamar is the Allen Iverson of the NFL. Lots of flash. All-Star games. MVP. Make defenders look dumb. Fun to watch. Being fun to watch doesnt make you a winner in the postseason. Any sports figure considered one of the best needs to show up in the postseason. Lamar has not just lost, he's played poorly in 5 of the 6 games. In those 5 postseason games he has 9 turnovers. Only averaging 11 points per game (and most was in garbage time). Not winning football.
The big difference between 2022 and now is Todd Monken. Greg Roman was way too simple and stunted Lamar's growth for 2 seasons. He really should have been let go after the loss to Buffalo in the 2020 Divisonal Playoff round
Real talk if it wasn’t for harbaugh and monken having a bad gameplan against the chiefs Lamar would have a superbowl and 2 pretty much unanimous MVP’s going for a 3rd and he can definitely win the Super Bowl this year… they seriously tarnished his legacy with that 6 rush attempts bullshit they pulled
Did harbaugh and monken tell him to throw into triple coverage for a pick when plenty of time left. He is great during the regular season and until he puts it all together for a full run for a super bowl appearance and possibly a win I just think its too early to even mention him in the GOAT debate.
Did Lamar tell Zay to taunt and then proceed to lose the ball on the goal line, when a TD would’ve made it a one score game? We criticize Lamar on his one bad play, yeah it was a terrible play, but don’t mention the plays that he did make but then his teammates screwed up. I watched that game and he legit played fine enough to win. But when you fumble at the goal line, and run the ball 6 times(#1 run offense btw), yeah he was gonna lose that game lmao
Can Lamar be the GOAT with zero rings? While the other guy with the same amount of MVPs has 3 titles in 6 years? What are we talking about here 😂 might as well ask if CJ Stroud can become the GOAT because he won ROY 😂
@@melaninknowledge3658 you just said Marino is the goat. Lol. Obviously you’re a young kid, because adults don’t call every marginally good QB “the goat,” Goat means there’s only 1 baby bro. U think ringless Marino with great stats helps Lamar build a case to be greater than Mahomes. Except Mahomes has far superior stats and rings to Lamar. Lamar has nothing. Keep dreaming lil bro.
@@melaninknowledge3658 Lamar is a BUM come playoff time. Have fun with his MVPs and 75% win rate during the regular season, I’ll take playoff wins and legacy from my QB
lol your top 10 in the league currently? like who? Burrow aint making the playoffs this year, Dak isnt getting close either, Kyler wont as per usual.. if you dont include Lamar youre not even following your own criteria. So not including Lamar, Mahomes or Josh, who are your "top 8 QB in the league currently", little boy?
No lol. To be the GOAT you need to get it done when it matters. I don’t remember Patrick Mahomes ever throwing a pick into triple coverage to get his team knocked out of the playoffs. Let’s have Lamar actually be the best QB in his era before calling him the Greatest of all time lmao
Single season rushing record is meaningless unless it’s broken on or before week 16. These extra games will ruin beloved records by incredible players because the casual fan will discuss the record holder without mentioning the context of these extra games.
His mvps are fluff. At least 3 qbs had a better season last year statistically. Burrow's 2nd and 3rd season were better than BOTH of his mvp years. You win the mvp when your team wins. Look at the history of it
@@Dannycuddythese Lamarstans can’t be grateful to even be a clear second. They are already pretending like Pat doesn’t exist just because he’s been more impressive for 1/3 of a regular season😂
It feels like every year for the past 4 years, everyone goes "No one can stop Lamar Jackson, he's learned to throw!" And then a team comes along an easliy stops him. Im tired of this yearly discourse. He's good to great anytime he plays, but Im just tired of hearing the same thing about him every year.
@@deemity7557 Are you watching the Chargers? That's Greg Roman's offense at work. Lamar won a MVP with that offensive coordinator. Herbert can't buy a TD with him vs the Cardinals. Monken arrived last year and it shows. But you choose to be blind.
No. You have to be able to lead your team to the Super Bowl and win it at least once. He may win one, but that's it. He's got to get past Mahomes, first, and that is a tall order. The only person who has beaten Mahomes is the real GOAT, Tom Brady (and Burrow once in the AFC Championship game). Would be nice if people would hold off on the GOAT talk until the guy has actually played in the Super Bowl.
@@martinezjames83 True, he's had a bye three of the four years he's played in the playoffs (20, 21, 24), and lost the first game he played in 20 and 21. I'll adjust my comment to reflect that reality.
Well then Harbaugh was lying to you and you lapped that nonsense up, because on the Ravens own wired show, they ahve shown Lamar on the sidelines talking over plays with his receivers for years. They literally have an episode from 2020 or 2021 him going over a play with Mark Andrews explaining why he did not throw it to him on the play
Yeah....almost anybody CAN be the GOAT. All it takes is 4 or more superbowls to get into the conversation. Realistically you'd need 8 SB's with two different teams to get past Tom Brady. Good luck to all. Anyone who hasn't won a championship need not apply.
Not all the time. Kurt says to be more consistent at being an elite one. Which Lamar had done so far this season. He never said to stop doing what makes him great lol
@@juiceman4109 He said CONSISTENCY in being a pocket passer, that has nothing to do with him always throwing or not running. It means, as he also said, “playing on schedule” (getting the ball out when it needs to come out), “seeing what’s in front of him” and “understanding the entirety of a scheme”(understanding route combinations and passing windows with respect to defensive schemes and even individual defensive players’ assignments on a play). He CAN do all that. In some games, he DOES do all that. But Kurt is saying if he did that every time he dropped back to pass, along with his other talents like scrambling, throwing deep, throwing on the run, etc, he would be literally unstoppable.
Mahomes greatness is showing this year for sure 6 tds and 8 interceptions is proof while being 6-0 and the defense is great but mahomes has to score some points to win also cause we’ve seen great defenses and weak offenses and they didn’t win shi.. 😂💯💯
I swear, people in the US have s**t for brains 😂 Lamar does this all the time..plays great regular season & lays an egg in the postseason....just stop with the nonsense about being the "greatest"
I like Lamar but let’s have him win in the post season like Montana, Bradshaw or Brady or have longevity and break records like Marino, and Fouts. Then we can talk about his status. Cunningham and Vick were also unbelievable
The ravens are going nowhere with that passing defense. Lamar is pressured to play at this level just to barely win games. Mahomes can play average football and be undefeated
Ruch is turning into Skip Bayless right before our eyes and it’s sad ….I’ve never seen a positive word from this guy towards Lamar in the last 2 years …it’s beyond HATE at this point …what have Lamar done to u older white folks that have generate so much hatred?
@@deemity7557 nobody owns Lamar …The Refs n league is on the outcomes for the Chiefs …the media just be propping up Mahomes …name a QB who wasn’t good in Andy Reid system ? 🤔😂😂😂
He’ll never win as many as Brady and it’s hard to also compete with what Mahomes has already down so he’ll never be considered the goat more than likely but he can be one of the greatest of all time if his play currently sustains for 5-7 seasons. He’s young enough to manage that other than possibly losing the running just due to the nature of football
It was GREF ROMAN SYSTEM THAT WAS HOLDING LAMAR BACK ….SPEAK THE TRUTH …Lamar wanted him gone after 2020 season …The same year Hollywood left Lamar wanted him out but the media created a narrative that Lamar could only play in that system and the Ravens created it for him …Lamar did not like it !!
Exactly!! And last year his numbers would have been better but they had such large leads and the defense was so good, he just spent half the games milking clock and not stat padding. This year because of the lackluster defense he is having to stat pad in a way just because a lot of the games are shoot outs. And he’s proven time and time again he can win shootouts
Actually I bet Jim Harbaugh sold the idea to John. Kapernick was the blueprint with Greg Williams. Cheap wide receivers on rookie contracts plus multiple tight ends don't eat up salary cap so they spent money on defense in Lamars first years. No free agent receivers wanted nooo part of Baltimore.
Can't call out Greg Roman because then they might have to admit that he's also holding Justin Herbert back and that would suggest Jim made a bad decision!
@@NathanaelSmithEdi Jim made two mistakes. Hired Greg and paying two RB who already played with him. You will never hear the media...
Look at Hollywood's career after he left Lamar. NEVER been the same
When Lamar plays primetime it’s like the whole world stops
Fr he is must see tv
Everyone watches 🐦⬛🏈👀
@@justinbellamy1399 When I see Lamar play, I turn the TV off. I want to watch good QB play, not athletic QB play. Now Goff on the other hand, that real football, that must watch!
Everyone watches every prime time game lmao what are you talking about
@@OGtruthserumoh of course! How many times has goff thrown for 5 tds?
He is already one of the greatest to ever play the game.....
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2-4 in the playoffs. Definitely the GOAT.
He's not even top 10
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@@jeffersonhighsmith7757youngest 2 time mvp ever. On the way to his third You don’t know football
So was Vick. How did that work out?
Lamar is on pace for 4k 1k, instant MV3 if he does. Which is great but more importantly I want him to win a Super Bowl.
We need to sit lamar and Henry during the season and play them down the stretch. Ravens ALWAYS looks rusty after that first playoff bye
@RUTHLESSambition5 facts I don't want the number 1 seed I want them to play every playoff game so we hit all cylinders from the get go!!
If we get Keaton Mitchell healthy he can help with some of the load too
This is not the first time LJ is on pace for 4k/1k. Was gonna Likely do it in 2022 and def smash it in 2021.
I think once he gets over the hurdle and wins one then he’ll be unbeatable until he physically starts to slow down so potentially he could be. He improves every year and he’s only 27
he could easily run this well for 7 more years barring significant injury
@@tecianholmeshe doesn’t even need to run super well imo he’s improved enough as a passer
@@tankdavislefthandbut it’s those back breaking scrambles he can get at any time
I think every year training, diets, and medicine, etc, gets better. I don't think too many guys really lose their speed when they're that fast, barring injury. Lamar will never really lose his speed, maybe just a slight step. Even brady at 47 is faster than he was at 22 lol.
It’s WILD to watch the standards that are held for certain guys!!
I think mahomes and lamar will end up sharing that title. Ive never seen anyone as athletic and freaky as L, or anybody with the throws and IQ of mahomes at qb, we are truly blessed man.
Facts
Mahomes makes bad decisions like he’s Josh Allen.. but you don’t understand that yet… Look at Andy Reid’s track record with QBs he made everyone look good
@@jefeseason4990 bro got 3 superbowls in 7 years im not tryna hear nothing you talkin about bro. I been a ravens fan my whole life and what mahomes doin is nuts. How can you watch either one of them and hate their game? Lol
@@jefeseason4990 bad decisions/taking chances and it works . Different sides of the same coin depending on if its a catch or incompletion. Sit back n enjoy the show my boy, cuz you could never step foot on the field and do any of that
@jefeseason4990 ive been trying to tell people how Andy Reid makes every QB look amazing for years now. Nobody wants to listen.
Lamar can fill a top 10 slot for plays of the week in a single 95-yard drive!
Two things can be true at the same time. It is true that there is literally nobody currently playing football that is more incredible to watch than Lamar Jackson and it is also true that Lamar has faults-he still needs to win the SB has to get better in other ways. His faults do not negate his greatness. Mahommes is not having the best start to the season and he himself has said he’s not playing well-does that negate his greatness? Absolutely not. Some of you need to learn to walk and chew gum and the same time-stop with the tunnel vision and the Lamar hate-it’s getting boring now.
You’re right but players will always be judged by championships. Mahomes and the Chiefs started off terrible last year and had people wondering if they were the worst offense ever and if their reign was over. We obviously can’t know what’s going to happen until it does. If Lamar beats KC and wins a ring, a lot of them will move the goalposts, sure, but most of them will shut up.
Great point
All these people continue to call him a running back and he could retire at the end of this year and get inducted into the HoF as a QUARTERBACK. The delusion in the haters is unrivaled.
Lamar Jackson has added a new definition to Elite Quarterback. He’s one of a kind.
Love this channel, Guys. Keep up the good work.
He could be the greatest to ever do it but people only count rings. It’s a semi-fair argument. But GOAT status is not just rings. You have to take a player for their whole. Their stats, their rings, their accolades, their impact to the game. Brady meets all of those qualifications and that is why he is seen as the GOAT QB. Can’t say player, every position deserves its roses and folks get caught up in that cycle. That’s ok. We are slaves to emotions.
Lamar will be a hall of famer and a champion when all is said and done.
Some of his criticisms are fair but we are speaking of a team sport not an individual like wrestling or shotput, etc. he had a team that can get him there.
❤Ravens Fan since ‘96
The difference is you actually have sense and understanding
Theoretically anyone "could" become the all time GOAT. Is it likely anyone will unseat Brady anytime soon? No, it's not likely. Especially not Lamar who already has several years under his belt coming up short. But when he's great, he's really great and a lot of fun to watch so let's just leave it at that.
Sounds far too reasonable.😊
Where is that guy, Doug Gottlieb, who said Sam Darnold was a better QB than Lamar, and Lamar will definitely not succeed long term in the NFL? He was quite adament about it.
Mahomes is Brady, Lamar is Peyton.
Mahomes has better career stats than Lamar... you "what have you done lately" people are hilarious
Said no one
@@mv84xwho else is Peyton and Brady of this era? It’s clearly Mahomes and Lamar
And Josh Allen is big ben
@@TDR-0484 he doesn't have a better career completion rate kid. Also how many PPR games does mahomes have? Asking for a friend
Nobody bided on Lamar with the franchise tag scenario, that obvious collusion the DOJ should have intervened.
As a die hard Ravens fan, I say thanks for colluding, NFL!!! It worked out great for Baltimore!!!!
@@normacherylwashington4872 Yes, I appreciate your fandom, but being fair in today's America should override everything , because if not it can come back to bite you, and me, on every level of the pay scale.
Lamar is Primetime like Jordan..there were other players who Statistically may have done better in those years..but they did not have that it factor. I GO BY WHAT OTHER HOF QBS HAVE SAID..Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, Troy Akman, Peyton Manning, Eli, and others..never analysts because game knows game! Lamar is special!
Been saying this since his first MVP
Lamar is awesome but come on. Can the guy lead his team to a Super Bowl before we ask this question?
How can you be the greatest of all time when you have your worst games of the season in the playoffs?
He reminds me of lebron vs Jordan it’s a big ask to for him to reach
This is a modern take and I hate it so much. When I was growing up, titles didn’t define entire careers like they do these days man. There was nuance and actual conversation about a team and their ability as a whole to be successful. I’m not sure when, but I think it was around the time Lebron won the scoring title that your entire career came down to how many rings you have. It’s stupid. Why even care about the season if all that matters is the superbowl? This isn’t even about Lamar individually. It’s about these narratives as a whole. Peyton Manning didn’t even get to a Super Bowl until year 8 and I remember him being called the future GOAT behind Marino before he won. For most of my life the debate about QB Was Montana vs Marino & nobody dismissed Dan because he had no rings. Ask somebody today and they’ll say he was average at best cause he never won. Football is the most team oriented sport. It’s a team accomplishment.
Marino was considered the goat without a ring until 07. Elway didn’t get it done til the very end. Peyton won at 28
@@keyminor6886 I’m on the spectrum of achievements are at the centre of sports. To me reaching a Super Bowl counts as an achievement it is a team sport but u can’t be terrible in the playoffs n be the considered the greatest come on now
Mahomes has 3 rings and he would still need at least another 2 to even enter the conversation. Lamar can go down as one of the most skilled ever, or most difficult to defend etc. I just dont see Ravens getting 4-5 rings in the next 8-10 years
If they can flip the script on the Chiefs and find a way to get past them, they absolutely can. I know, we can sit here and talk all we want, it doesn’t matter until it happens. But everyone said Jordan couldn’t beat the Celtics… until suddenly he did. Then he won 6 rings in 8 years (the other 2 he didn’t even really play in). The team around him now is young enough and talented enough to keep him in the Super Bowl conversation for years. So IF he can figure out how to beat the Chiefs once, there’s no reason he can’t continue to do it over and over again.
@@matrixphijr I mean anything is possible of course. Hey I'm rooting for it, I've been a Ravens fan for over 25 years! I'd love to see it
You know if we show Lamar winning championships then it’s going to cultivate many more like him!!!!
He's a generational talent. Hard to ''cultivate'' those....
@@jimibmore That’s so true but Generational talent inspires all talent. Thats my point. I bless you all in love. ❤️
@JOSHUA8CS no don't sell yourself short. Lamar will activate all other "athletic" people at QB. Which diminishes the "unathletic" QB. Why u think they did that to Vick? Lamar always been like this. They just held him back for obvious reasons
@@SlimeNews yes I’m totally with you on that. He could have had five Super Bowls right NOW!!!
@@JOSHUA8CS and mahomes is overrated too. He was gifted an All Pro offense when he was drafted and looks like garbage this year
Mahomes has won 3 super bowls in 6 seasons as a starter. And we asking if Lamar can be the goat?
He sucks tho
Mahomes had 0 rings at one point and people were speculating if he could surpass beady because of mahomes stats. Might as well do the same for Lamar since we just want to throw the term “goat” around so freely when it’s nowhere near deserved yet.
Yea we asking that because the way Lamar is playing it might be the end of the mahomes era Lamar stops his 3 peat and 3peat his self thin who would be the goat with back to back MVP and super bowl MVP it could happen my friends 😂😂
Lamar is statistically getting better and better every year while Mahomes is getting worse. The SB wins are masking his statistical falloff.
@@tgs5725 no no, they’re not masking it. Everyone sees his statistical falloff, that’s why the golden boy lovers have pivoted to being win merchants. They’re undefeated so that means he’s just the best qb in the league.
The 2x MVP needs to be more consistent?
their narratives is falling apart. this is coping100
Yeah that throw into triple coverage to knock his team out of the playoffs was consistent with his playoff performance
The hate is real and consistent.
@@nickh2935the punch out was Lamar’s fault too right?
Why do you haters use that narrative only for Lamar? Yall don't use that narrative for any other QB. Lamar isn't the only one that goes home in the playoffs. Only 1 team wins it all.
lamar got better cuz he wanted to get better at his craft see it’s some guys that are just ok with being good while others strive to be great 💯💯💯
Recency bias should really be studied…… it’s a shame how one game changes everything 🤡😂🤡
The alternative is historical bias. You act like there’s an objective truth here but there isn’t and won’t be until the Super Bowl actually comes around. Until then, all we can do is give opinions and speculate.
Absolutely. He's already a certified first ballot HOFer. If he gets a ring, maybe even two, he's in the top 10 all time discussions and you could make a great case for that.
I actually hadn't given the ring question much thought, but you're right. I think multiple MVPs puts you in the conversation, even if your team didn't win a Super Bowl. Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Fran Tarkenton, and Dan Fouts are in the hall of fame never having won a championship.
@@VulcanLogic yeah what Lamar has done as a dual threat QB is nothing short of generationally and historically great. He's better than Vick, better than insert dual threat QB here. That alone secures a HOF spot. Getting a ring makes the convo shift to something greater.
No matter what he does, there’s always someone down playing Lamar’s abilities.
He could already be if they had a defense for the last five years!!! Don’t make sense except maybe they can’t handle him winning the championship. Lamar has been a champion since high school so stop it.
Kurt is over thinking it a bit!! The Ravens receiving chore was among the worst when it comes to route running four of the last six years!!! So passing on script was never a viable option for Lamar!! For Lamar to have had to request a trade really showed what type of organization the Ravens are!!! Having got one good piece on D. Henry altered the SB trajectory; eventhoug he (Henry) was considered on his way to downgrading!! K Mitchell showed the danger of having a decent RB1 last season!!!
Why are all the analysts surprised LJ8 is improving. Every good player improves as they gain more experience.
Lamar is the EFFN same player …he actually have weapons now …he is NOT throwing to Willy Snead and washed up Deshaun Jackson !
Even Lamar would say he’s not the same player, he’s gotten better and it’s obvious.
@@ajfatca Not in the sense, people are making it out to be. The argument that it's mostly because he's improved is pushed strongest by those who pushed back when his fans years ago were saying he's being limited by Roman and the lack of outside weapons. Under Roman, it was here's the play. Run it. If things break down, improvise. Here's an RPO. Make one pre snap read, and go. Now he has autonomy. It's been stated by someone watching him during the Washington game, that he was making checks all game long. Checking into plays consistently that befuddled the opposing DC. Roman wouldn't let him do that. For 4 years, people kept saying, he can't read defenses. He wasn't allowed to. He was forced to play reactionary all game. Wait for Roman's rudimentary play to develop, or run. This isn't just an improved Lamar. It's a player allowed to truly play the position, showing who he is.
@@davidpetrosky …which means he’s improved since then.
Just like Pete Carrol not running lynch with a time out left gifting New England another rigged SB,the Browns passing on Lamar, and Josh Allen for a should have been 4th round pick Baker Mayfield. Makes nonracist Cleveland fans want to Earl.
Blud only needs 7 more rings to be tied with Brady, but no for sure. Not to mention the league is waaaaaaaay easier now
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂nahhh the defenses are way more complex now you trippin but the league has also made it easier for offenses to draw penalties
Only waaaaaaaaaaay easier for betting. that's about it. and hearing players' podcasts. Not easier to play, only TB12 and dumb kids |pitch about that
Win a conference championship game first 😂😂😂
Talk about overreacting.
That's loading kid, until then, keep watching Lamar get praised 😆
Lamar is already greater than Kurt Warner
bro spent years focusing on Lamar's very few miss reads while allowing Herbert and Trevor and Allen to go without lame even though Lamar DONT MISS READS OR THROWS MORE THAN THEM
@@narrativewatch6765 Also Herbert and Allen has had better targets to throw to than lamar..
I don’t think so
He’ll never win as many as Brady and it’s hard to also compete with what Mahomes has already down so he’ll never be considered the goat more than likely but he can be one of the greatest of all time if his play currently sustains for 5-7 seasons. He’s young enough to
manage that other than possibly losing the running just due to the nature of football
Kurt rocking the Brenda cut.
Mahomes leads:
Head 2 Head 5-1
Titles 3-ZERO
SBs 4-ZERO
AFC Championships 6-1
Playoffs 15-3 vs 2-4 😳
SB MVPs 3-ZERO
Y'all go sit at the kids table.....
I remember how Rich was talking when Lamar wanted his contract. He was caping for the Ravens organization saying they did everything for Lamar which was a blatant lie
Lamar is the Allen Iverson of the NFL. Lots of flash. All-Star games. MVP. Make defenders look dumb. Fun to watch.
Being fun to watch doesnt make you a winner in the postseason. Any sports figure considered one of the best needs to show up in the postseason. Lamar has not just lost, he's played poorly in 5 of the 6 games. In those 5 postseason games he has 9 turnovers. Only averaging 11 points per game (and most was in garbage time). Not winning football.
When do people start questioning John Harbaugh's ability as a coach in the playoffs? Post Superbowl in 2012 hes been a below avg coach
If Dan Marino can't then none of the current quarterbacks can with the exception of Mahomes and Stafford.
He wins a Superbowl he in the goat convo cause he doing what we have never seen before yeah we seen runners but not running qbs like him
He has to win multiple SBs to be in the GOAT conversation. MVPs are not enough. Who cares how many MVPs Montana won, but we care that he won four SBs.
wat is santa clause talking about 😂
Catching Brady is nearly impossible. Lamar will never get the Brady/Mahomes treatment which matters
The big difference between 2022 and now is Todd Monken. Greg Roman was way too simple and stunted Lamar's growth for 2 seasons. He really should have been let go after the loss to Buffalo in the 2020 Divisonal Playoff round
Real talk if it wasn’t for harbaugh and monken having a bad gameplan against the chiefs Lamar would have a superbowl and 2 pretty much unanimous MVP’s going for a 3rd and he can definitely win the Super Bowl this year… they seriously tarnished his legacy with that 6 rush attempts bullshit they pulled
Lol I love when people do this. Because if they beat the chiefs then they were guaranteed to beat the niners, right?
@@robertsimpson8364 well considering they absolutely demolished them a couple weeks prior and Lamar owns the entire conference yeah I would say so.
Did harbaugh and monken tell him to throw into triple coverage for a pick when plenty of time left. He is great during the regular season and until he puts it all together for a full run for a super bowl appearance and possibly a win I just think its too early to even mention him in the GOAT debate.
Did Lamar tell Zay to taunt and then proceed to lose the ball on the goal line, when a TD would’ve made it a one score game? We criticize Lamar on his one bad play, yeah it was a terrible play, but don’t mention the plays that he did make but then his teammates screwed up. I watched that game and he legit played fine enough to win. But when you fumble at the goal line, and run the ball 6 times(#1 run offense btw), yeah he was gonna lose that game lmao
Keep living your life on hypotheticals. We live in reality bud.
kurt knows lamar is already one of the greatest
kurt just talks in circles 😂
Can Lamar be the GOAT with zero rings? While the other guy with the same amount of MVPs has 3 titles in 6 years? What are we talking about here 😂 might as well ask if CJ Stroud can become the GOAT because he won ROY 😂
Tony Romo
Dan Marino is considered the goat over many system QBs that won SBs kid. Mahomes is a system QB and nothing more
@@melaninknowledge3658 Dan Marino is considered the GOAT by exactly zero people on planet earth. Touch grass kid
@@Dannycuddy that wasn't the point kid, pay attention! The point was that Dan Marino is better than QBs that has won SBs
@@melaninknowledge3658 you just said Marino is the goat. Lol. Obviously you’re a young kid, because adults don’t call every marginally good QB “the goat,” Goat means there’s only 1 baby bro. U think ringless Marino with great stats helps Lamar build a case to be greater than Mahomes. Except Mahomes has far superior stats and rings to Lamar. Lamar has nothing. Keep dreaming lil bro.
WTF are we talking about? He has two playoff wins. Ever. He’s not a top 10 QB in the league currently, unless you’re talking regular season only.
Stats says otherwise kid. Keep crying while Lamar continues to be great 😆
@@melaninknowledge3658 Lamar is a BUM come playoff time. Have fun with his MVPs and 75% win rate during the regular season, I’ll take playoff wins and legacy from my QB
@@airgasmYT i never seen a bum be a 2x and soon to be a 3x MVP...LOL. who's your favorite QB btw
lol your top 10 in the league currently? like who? Burrow aint making the playoffs this year, Dak isnt getting close either, Kyler wont as per usual..
if you dont include Lamar youre not even following your own criteria. So not including Lamar, Mahomes or Josh, who are your "top 8 QB in the league currently", little boy?
@@pretzelhunt he's just talking bro, its a reason his comment got no likes 😆 his comment is the equivalent of baby babble.
😂😂😂😂😂 nah mahomes will always be better.. Lamar folds in the clutch.. y’all know Lamar won’t be able to use his legs at 33+ like is now too js 😂😂💯💯💯
No.
Um NO, 15 is the GOAT he’s actually played and won in 3/4 Superbowls
No lol.
To be the GOAT you need to get it done when it matters. I don’t remember Patrick Mahomes ever throwing a pick into triple coverage to get his team knocked out of the playoffs. Let’s have Lamar actually be the best QB in his era before calling him the Greatest of all time lmao
Lamar is Box office
He will go down as the best to ever do it when it’s all said and done
Single season rushing record is meaningless unless it’s broken on or before week 16. These extra games will ruin beloved records by incredible players because the casual fan will discuss the record holder without mentioning the context of these extra games.
He is one of the greatest to ever play
How many QBs get 2mvps at 27 ???? Yall should stop downplaying him
His mvps are fluff. At least 3 qbs had a better season last year statistically. Burrow's 2nd and 3rd season were better than BOTH of his mvp years. You win the mvp when your team wins. Look at the history of it
Mahomes. And Mahomes mvp seasons are both more impressive
The actually active GOAT, Pat mahomes would like a word
He’s in Mahomes’ era, like it or not. He’ll never be the GOAT, he’s 3 rings behind Mahomes and Mahomes clears in every stat besides rushing.
@@Dannycuddythese Lamarstans can’t be grateful to even be a clear second. They are already pretending like Pat doesn’t exist just because he’s been more impressive for 1/3 of a regular season😂
No. I’m a Ravens fan, it will always be Tom Brady
The GOAT QB has seven Superbowls, Lamar currently has zero.
He needs a few rings and we can talk
It feels like every year for the past 4 years, everyone goes "No one can stop Lamar Jackson, he's learned to throw!" And then a team comes along an easliy stops him. Im tired of this yearly discourse. He's good to great anytime he plays, but Im just tired of hearing the same thing about him every year.
A team? The back to back Super bowl champions were just" a team" last year, huh?
The only team who did it were the Chiefs. The ongoing dynasty. You're not very bright.
@@SappySoulyeah and someone who is “the GOAT” should be able to beat any team lmao
@@darthrevan6The chargers, titans, bills, and chiefs all stopped him in the playoffs and held him to his worst performance that season. Truth hurts😂
@@deemity7557 Are you watching the Chargers? That's Greg Roman's offense at work. Lamar won a MVP with that offensive coordinator. Herbert can't buy a TD with him vs the Cardinals. Monken arrived last year and it shows. But you choose to be blind.
No. You have to be able to lead your team to the Super Bowl and win it at least once. He may win one, but that's it. He's got to get past Mahomes, first, and that is a tall order. The only person who has beaten Mahomes is the real GOAT, Tom Brady (and Burrow once in the AFC Championship game). Would be nice if people would hold off on the GOAT talk until the guy has actually played in the Super Bowl.
He gets a bye usually with the first seed. So he is usually past the 1st rd
@@martinezjames83 True, he's had a bye three of the four years he's played in the playoffs (20, 21, 24), and lost the first game he played in 20 and 21. I'll adjust my comment to reflect that reality.
But Brady never beat Lamar, though!!!
@@normacherylwashington4872 True, but somewhat irrelevant.
Kirk Please Lamar been on schedule since Louisville, his schedule is ten times smoother than yours. You stiff guys steal can't get it.
Kurt Warner just hater
nope no super bowls yet
Still a hofer
Well then Harbaugh was lying to you and you lapped that nonsense up, because on the Ravens own wired show, they ahve shown Lamar on the sidelines talking over plays with his receivers for years. They literally have an episode from 2020 or 2021 him going over a play with Mark Andrews explaining why he did not throw it to him on the play
Yeah....almost anybody CAN be the GOAT. All it takes is 4 or more superbowls to get into the conversation. Realistically you'd need 8 SB's with two different teams to get past Tom Brady. Good luck to all. Anyone who hasn't won a championship need not apply.
I reckon 7 should be more than enough to top Brady, especially given that he was caught cheating 3 times.
Kurt shut up, if Lamar becomes a pocket passer all the time, that would handicap his talent of being the best dual threat ever or even the best ever
Not all the time. Kurt says to be more consistent at being an elite one. Which Lamar had done so far this season. He never said to stop doing what makes him great lol
@@volcanicmax007 you clearly didn’t listen to him, he said it
@@juiceman4109 He said CONSISTENCY in being a pocket passer, that has nothing to do with him always throwing or not running. It means, as he also said, “playing on schedule” (getting the ball out when it needs to come out), “seeing what’s in front of him” and “understanding the entirety of a scheme”(understanding route combinations and passing windows with respect to defensive schemes and even individual defensive players’ assignments on a play). He CAN do all that. In some games, he DOES do all that. But Kurt is saying if he did that every time he dropped back to pass, along with his other talents like scrambling, throwing deep, throwing on the run, etc, he would be literally unstoppable.
No, Lamar can't be the NFL's GOAT.
Mahomes greatness is showing this year for sure 6 tds and 8 interceptions is proof while being 6-0 and the defense is great but mahomes has to score some points to win also cause we’ve seen great defenses and weak offenses and they didn’t win shi.. 😂💯💯
Too soon to tell
No
If it was up to y'all he won't because we're in October and y'all keep bringing up January.🤷🏿♂️🤷🏻♀️
Wtf is Kurt talking about?
I swear, people in the US have s**t for brains 😂 Lamar does this all the time..plays great regular season & lays an egg in the postseason....just stop with the nonsense about being the "greatest"
I like Lamar but let’s have him win in the post season like Montana, Bradshaw or Brady or have longevity and break records like Marino, and Fouts. Then we can talk about his status. Cunningham and Vick were also unbelievable
Lamar will not be playing by the end of the season. Can’t run that much and get by with it.
Bro hasn’t even been to a SB. We’ve completely lost the plot on Lamar
6 years in. Hes got a few years
The ravens are going nowhere with that passing defense. Lamar is pressured to play at this level just to barely win games.
Mahomes can play average football and be undefeated
When he can win even 1 superbowl maybe I'll consider watching this video. Click bait title at its finest
Negative
Rich plz refrain yourself from calling black athletes kids. There are no kids playing professional sports in America, thank you.
The goat has 7 superbowls. He doesn't even have one lol.
He could be the M.O.A.T. most overrated all time
He won't be the goat. He won't have the stats for it
This isn't new 🙄 I'm tired of these ppls ignorance. The only thing that's different is the ppl around him are slightly better.
Doesn’t hurt that you’re playing against mid defenses.
This is a joke right?
Rich is a joke it's mahones world we just live in it chiefs kingdom baby
No lmao
Lmfao goofy as hell.
Ruch is turning into Skip Bayless right before our eyes and it’s sad ….I’ve never seen a positive word from this guy towards Lamar in the last 2 years …it’s beyond HATE at this point …what have Lamar done to u older white folks that have generate so much hatred?
He's 2-4 in the postseason.
@@jeffersonhighsmith7757 GOAT HURR ITS EVERYONE ELSE FAULT BUT LAMAR
How about be greater than the rival that owns you before yall even think of the GOAT convo😂🫵🤡
@@deemity7557 nobody owns Lamar …The Refs n league is on the outcomes for the Chiefs …the media just be propping up Mahomes …name a QB who wasn’t good in Andy Reid system ? 🤔😂😂😂
Alright, now the Lamar glazing has gone too far.
He’s a hofer
@@xavieonedavis1318 and?
@@johnjames502 and the greatest dual threat of all time How is acknowledging his greatness glazing
@@xavieonedavis1318that’s cool, how many times has he been to the Super Bowl?
@@nickh2935 how many did Peyton manning Have after Year7
He needs 3 rings at least 2
He’ll never win as many as Brady and it’s hard to also compete with what Mahomes has already down so he’ll never be considered the goat more than likely but he can be one of the greatest of all time if his play currently sustains for 5-7 seasons. He’s young enough to
manage that other than possibly losing the running just due to the nature of football
Lamar is the EFFN same player …he actually have weapons now …he is NOT throwing to Willy Snead and washed up Deshaun Jackson !
Lamar has been good for 3 years now against the blits, he just needed ppl to actually get open and catch the ball
No.