Stump Grinders - Toro, Terex or Vermeer which is the best?
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2019
- We take a look at the toro & terex stump grinders & compare a hydraulic driven head to a belt driven. And a hack on how to sharpen stump grinder teeth.
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When I was a teenager my father had a tree cut down they asked him if he wanted the stump ground he said no he had a stump grinder he handed me a very dull axe
We might have same father
*i always liked the smaller diesel Vermeer stump grinders. that's all i've ever used or seen used with the tree service i worked for in Knoxville. towed it around with a pintle hitch on the back of a pickup truck and we made enough off of stump grinding that it paid mine and a co worker's salary for the week each time it was run. needless to say we were happy to see it get hooked up for a job*
Gonna be trying out the Ventrac stump grinder over on my channel in a month or so! Can't wait....good to see what the competition is putting out there...thanks for the great video Stan!
I use to run a old Vermeer 44" wheel stump grinder for a city. It had a 154hp engine that we were trying to get the shop put a turbo charger on it. We did grind stumps from 4 inches to 84 inches every Friday. The best was the one Vermeer made it had a 24" wheel, tracks, and a 90 hp diesel. We tested it out for replacement of our 44" tow behind Vermeer. It was belt driven 24" wheel could quite literally go anywhere up slopes that were near impossible to stand on without slipping. It was built for Forestry use in the Mountains. We kinda nickname it the tank with a cutting wheel. I drove it through creeks, up muddy slopes, and through stump holes trying to get it stuck. The boss stopped me when I wanted to test if it would make it out a few holes from transplanted 25' tall Arbrorvita that were between 4' to 6' deep and 8' around.
I appreciate a good re-tip
The company I work for just bought a Ventrac stump grinder. We have a job where we need to grind hundreds stumps on the basins walls. glad this video popped up when it did!
Awesome Ed, thanks for watching !
We have a few stump grinders the best by far is our 60tx from vermeer it's on tracks and it will suck it self in to go through a 38in gate. Absolutely the best machine
I been running a used Carlton OX 2400-4 since i was about 12-13 years old, Im 23 now and had to change the engine last year but other the reg oil change, greasing and changing teeth ive never had any problems with the machine. I would definitely recommend it to anyone, its small enough to go through any gate into the backyard and 27hp is definitely enough for any size, ive found out its all about having sharp teeth
Great intro video to stump grinding with some good pointers. I started 5 years ago with a similar unit to the terex and have since upgraded to a 44hp diesel 3 years ago. I wanted to echo the point made about sharp teeth. They are an absolute must on lower hp gas machines. Also helps getting the stump as flush to the ground as you can prior to grinding.
Talking about what to look for in a used machine, bearings are a great place to start, any play will only get worse with time and bearings will run around 100-200 bucks each one. I would also take the covers off and check the condition of the belts and their alignment/wear. Belts are a maintenance point. On my old machine I found myself adjusting them every few months. If the hours on the machine seem too low for the condition of the machine look at the cutting wheel. Over time it will pit with wear. When you engage the cutter head come up to full throttle and feel the controls for vibration or hop in the machine. That shows uneven wear in the cutter wheel which is indicative of wheel with a lot of hours on it. Feeling that balance is something that will come with experience. A good operator will know if a tooth breaks or a rock gets caught in the wheel by the vibration in the controls and the way it starts to cut. And lastly do not accept a machine without seeing it grind.
Once you get your machine it becomes a labor of love. Grinding is hard on any motor so I change my oil and filters sooner than recommended. Purging the bearings is recommended at 8 hours but I do mine every 4. As some as said, I recommend a belt driven grinder as you don't lose any HP to the hydraulics. I am a Carlton guy all the way. Seems that once you buy a Carlton you rarely operate anything else.
If anyone is interested in some more insight into the stump grinding business I wrote a blog post with some tips a few years back www.thestumpshark.com/new-blog/2016/10/27/e88smduoa75gmq3kfzlx85wbgrciz7
Hope it helps anyone looking.
Awesome video! Definitely learned a lot of great info about stump grinders! For reference on the dribble comments on our SureCan. After you let off the thumb button tip the can to the left towards the spout while it is still in the tank and the little excess fuel comes out before you rotate it back up! Thanks.
Thanks and glad the video was helpful!
Love the sharpener. I have been in the tree life 16 years. My favorite grinder is a Bandit or Carlton. Vermeer seems to be underpowered and break in the areas they should never break, welds, metal to thin or bolts to small. It's my understanding Rayco's are good products I just have not ran one. Hydrolic drive has I faster wheel speed and less maintenance but takes lots of horse power. Belt drive can be used with smaller power plants and can be rebuilt easier and cheaper than a final drive or pump on a hydrolic. Basically bigger is better and faster in stump grinders.
I used a carlton 33 diesel on a 4 foot stump about 2 feet high, like a dream. It was on tracks.
In my experience, if you go with a hydraulic stump grinder, the cutter wheel motor should be perfectly sized between speed, flow and pressure so that if you stall out the cutter wheel, the pump drive engine should stall out within 2-3sec to give the maximum torque and power. If the cutter wheel stalls out and the engine doesn't die, then your cutter wheel motor is too small. That cutter wheel motor on the Toro stump grinder is way too small, cuz it stalled way too easily.
I worked for a tree service for a little over 1.5 years and I put a lot hours on the Vermeer SC292 stump grinder they had. Overall, I liked the machine; it is very similar to the Terex machine in your video and was belt driven. One of the biggest complaints I had was what Tanner mentioned about how it only powered the double front wheels and would not climb a steep hill or climb over the pile of debris. It would just sit there spinning the tires. There was tons of times where I had to either push the machine up and over or waste a bunch of time moving the debris aside with a pitch fork. Also, you have to take the outer wheels off the front in order to pass through a double gate which was also pretty annoying since you needed to put the on again in order to keep the machine stable while grinding, then take them off to get out again, and then put them on again because they had to be on so it would fit on the little trailer it comes with. The machine had adequate power if the teeth were sharp. The machine had stronger cylinders to raise and lower the head than to swing it side to side so you could make it keep cutting by plunging the head in and out once it got too dull to swing to the side. I don't recommend doing this because it is much harder on the machine but when your teeth are dull all the way around and you're an hour from the shop at quitting time, you do what you have to. I recommend rotating the teeth towards the inside so that both the front edge and the outside edge is sharp otherwise it will cut better one direction than the other. Lastly, we did have several breakdowns with this machine. The bearings and shaft in the head was the worse one but also had the drive line to one of the wheels break as well. It really can't climb anything with one wheel. lol I now work with my brother doing landscaping and we have rented a Barreto 30SG that really surprised me how good it was. It is a lot like your Toro with tracks and hydraulic head. It had a incredibly wide swing radius on the head so I could get even big stumps in one pass rather than attack it from a couple different angles with the Vemeer and LOVED the tracks. Someone else already mentioned it but stump grinders work way better if you only cut with front 1/3 or so of the wheel. If you move to far forward on the stump the head will start to skip. I would typically only move forward about an inch but take deeper cuts. Once it starts skipping, it is best to back the machine up some and take it down deeper. You can see the difference in performance between the how Tanner was cutting the stump with the front of the wheel vs how you were using the bottom of the wheel to cut. Hope this helps!
A bit of advice to you and your guys when using that stump grinder. Don't work it from the top center, start from the outside and work into the stump from the edge.
Thanks for the advice Aaron and thanks for viewing
Yeah, cuts better from the side. I drop it right down and get it all before i advance. Top cutting is similar to with a chain saw, doesnt work well.
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That is crazy! If I was to rent one at least I know how to check to see if they are sharp. Plus you can check and make sure that the bearings are good too!
Love the editing Stan . You can that a stump?? I do some big hard woods and my Vermeer has a 90 horse Perkins diesel and it isn't even enough most of the time. But I'm in northern Pa so lot of hard wood
Breathing in carbide dust and other heavy metal dust nice!
I have a rayco rg45, its a 44 hp diesel 4x4 (its got six wheels) wireless remote control. I recommend a belt driven over hydraulic. I bought it new from bobcat and after the second set of rayco teeth i went to the 900 series green teeth and cut my time in almost half. if i had my chose i would love to have a carlton sp 7015 but it was about $30,000 more. keep up the good work stan. love the videos.
Thank you !
Got the same machine, one of the best bang for your buck stump grinders out there.
Had a gas stumpy, worst thing I had then got a rayco 50 horse diesel , life changing
As the owner of a small tree servive I appreciate videos like this. I have always used Vermeer equipment. Most people don't know that on your smaller stump grinders that you can loosen the bolt, turn the tooth, and get more use out of it
Would applying oil to the teeth when sharpening keep the particles out of the air and also keep sharpening wheel from getting clogged? I use a honing oil when sharpening my blades.
dont know about the toro or terex but vermeer has a great dealer network for parts and repairs in metropolitan area you are usally within a 2hour drive or less ,, im here in metro detroit and the vermeer i go to is 45 minutes drive
Can you find out what kind of diamond wheel they used on the sharpener. Size, grit. I heard them say 3M but where do you get one?
I've been in the game for over 20 years and my favorite tow behind machine is a Carlton 7500 78 horsepower diesel....for backyards my go to machine is a rayco 1625 Super Jr. Even though I spent over $20,000 :( Tier 4 :( repowering both of my machines in 2018. The belt driven machines is the way to GO! The hydrostatic machine lose power once they get hot. I don't care much for gearbox driven cutter Wheels either, they are far more costly to repair than the old belt and bearing driven machine. but I sure will be building that drill press tool sharpener!
My homeboy Larry had the 7500 Carlton and it was a straight-up beast. Deutz air-cooled diesel. It would blitz through the stumps. He sold it with his tree service. I miss that big yellow thing.
We run a Carlton with a Kohler gas motor thing is a beast
Have you had problems with the tier 4 motor I've heard people having problems with them
@@jdias51 luckily for me my Deutz FL 2011 engine is a Tier 3....However the new tier 4 standards means that they can no longer produce any Tier 3 engine blocks. if you're lucky Deutz will consider your tier 3 engine rebuildable, they have a remanufacturing facility in Pendergrass Georgia, and a Deutz remanned engine will cost you about $10,000 plus a $2,000 refundable core charge. Before the new emission standards the same engine cost me $5,000 brand new! at least the reman comes with the same exact warranty is the new one did, However on the stump grinder good luck getting them to honor it!
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That was a GREAT episode!
Appreciate that, thanks !
Haha tanner still has his foot ascender on. One thing to consider about tanner getting through that stump so fast is the fact it was a cedar stump. Easy to grind. A big pine stump? Now that's a different story.
Tip: Always focus the bottom rear quadrant of the cutting wheel on the area you're trying to cut. Using the front of the cutting wheel will make you bounce.
Great vid thank you!
I have a woodland mills 3 point stump grinder. Works great.
Pretty cool, thx for showing us!
Thank you !
Have a 2020 Vermeer sc70tx best all around stump grinder imo. Small enough to do backyards but big enough to get 50 stumps ground in a day. Also has direct drive shaft so no belts to deal with.
those guys were awesome! bring them back for something else!!!
We have a skid steer attachment grinder and it works nice just takes a lot of practice
Bill Johnson same
Is it common practice to do a one call for underground utilities when stump grinding?
Great video can i ask what the blade is iin the bench grinder and maybe a link to where i could buy 1 thx from the UK
Thanks this is really and truly useful and enlightening.
@15:50 just use the filling/large capped opening on the sure can. It should fit directly into the tank opening or at least get close on that grinder so no spilling. I only use the spout for my hand held equipment with smaller openings and you can just set them on the ground instead of lifting with your back to get the nozzle high enough.
Man you can definitely tell the difference in skill level between tanner and whoever the guy running the toro was. Hope tanner is paid well!
Just found the channel and I love it!!!
Glad you're here, and thank you !
Love what you got going on!
Thank you !
Hey Stan, You should definitely get your hands on a Carlton the comparison isn't complete till you do.
Thanks for the video. I set up a sharpener like this one. Saves alot of money. If I could just get my hands on one of the Terex grinders that would be nice.
They are sold in North America under the manufacturers name Laski
They were made by Laski and had the Terex name on it, they still make them, I love mine.
I love filling up a bobcat with the Dribble dribble can. takes about a half hour.
Now that mulchers are so prevalent, is there a need for this 2nd piece of equipment?
My 35hp Rayco was a beast. I only wish I would have gotten a larger diesel grinder.
really having fun with the effects aren't you Stan?
Vermeer sc852 hands down the best grinder on the market
Love how Tanner has a windshield but still looks from the side of it Ace Ventura style. Haha
First time i ever ran a stump grinder, i didnt know you were supposed to go left to right. i think i went up and down or foward and back idk. pretty funny tho
Suggest to your friends to read up on the hazards with breathing the grinding dust. They will regret it later in life. If nothing else rig up a shop vac outside and run the hose to the grinding point.
Did anybody that worked on that Toro design actually try to use it? You can't see anything from back there.
Was thinking the same thing if you can’t see what’s going on it’s Not good
Have you tried the stump grinder from barreto?
Some grinding wheels/stones are best run wet - maybe have a little water tray under the wheel if required?
Not sure what it means, but while I didn't recognise the guys, I recognised the workshop from the chain sharpening episode...
TORO seemed to be struggling and, from the discussion on chip size, were the teeth worn down?
Oh, just had a thought - definitely not something I have much to do with, but are there portable hand grinders made, like a modified chainsaw, or concrete saw, for those who have a limited need for grinding, like folks with a woody home section, and/or those inaccessible stumps and/or when the job just isn't worth getting a regular grinder onto the site? Ah, I see there are!
have you tried the auger type machines.
I rented the Vermeer tracked stump grinder awhile back. I think it was 70hp diesel and it was hydraulically driven. That dang thing would lay waste to the stumps. Only complaint is that it was cold out and the radiator inlet was right where the operator stood. Had to put on three pair of pants to get the job done. I'd recommend it highly.
Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching
The sc40 is a beast.
We run a morbark and it's a beast
can you do the same for wood chippers that would be awesome
my local tree service has one of the biggest vermeer and its a beast! things a diesel and its the size of a small car has tracks to.
U ever do any videos with a Ventrack with a cab and snowblower, and little salt spreader on the back? Guy I help just got one, tried it last night , really wet snow 4in, wasn't to impressed. It was nice it had cab and heat, but I had to run it slow down walk ways and when u made multiple passes next to each other, I had to run only half the blower in fresh snow else it left trails everywhere. We have to do a section of parking lot with it cause the plows will RIP up the type concrete that is there
I’ve only used a toro and I really like it except that shavings can find there way to the muffler where they can pile up then catch fire...not that I know first hand!
I have had about 3 fires to date in my toro.
But that chipper they got looks nice and big and new!! It diesel??
stump grinders. easy to use ,expensive to buy fix and repair. short and sweet
That one tire mounted backwards makes me want to drive over there and remount it proper
These guys are brilliant
These boys are geniuses. Do a great job and save money buy taking care of there own tools. #drillsharpgrind. #Tanner.
Do you know where they source there 3m diamond wheels from?
Carlton 8018 is defiantly top of the line!
Should replace that frosted glass so the operator doesn’t have to peep around the safety guard but other than that it’s a really nice stump grinder.
A hydrostatic unit with fully hydraulic controls would be the best stump grinder, but then that's going to be a single purpose machine. I just started my own little landscaping, excavating, and snow removal business and bought a compact diesel tractor and bought a PTO powered stump grinder for it. I'm no expert on it but it does a nice job but if you take off more than you can chew you can stall the tractor. I think with a hydrostatic powered stump grinder you have a better fail safe where if it stall the wheel at least the relief valve will open and dump the oil back to the tank as opposed to blowing belts, stalling the engine or having a computer issue.
Thanks for sharing and hope the new business goes great!
Are those 900 or 700 series greenteeth on the Terex?
Hi, there's a request if you can help.
I have a Laski f 500 stump chopper . I saw your terex and I saw green teeth on it . Tell me there is a drawing ? Scheme ? How do I drill holes ?
Thanks for the help.
Did you ever get the green teeth on your Laski?
To be honest, whatever the rental shop has is what’s best 😂 I never needed one for more than a day so I’ve never had the need to buy one
very cool . thanks for the info .
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Thank you !
to sharpen I personnaly use a diamond grinder disk in a vise and turn the cutter with a 1/2 drill
Thats a bloody smart idea, as a fitter machinist myself im impressed haha however, id be having some dust containment/ppe just for the particupates..
Love it!
Vermeer is the best, but removing stumps this way is always slow and dangerous. The machine throw debris everywhere and the screen does not offer near enough protection to the operator or anyone or any thing within 50 feet.
You are better off using a pick ax to clear an edge around each stump so you can use a chain saw to cut the stump to pieces level to the ground. Then let the rest rot or burn it or cover it with dirt.
Of course, if money is no object hire someone to blow it up.
Thanks for the comments Walt !
Vermeer sc1152 is the baddest wheeled remote controlled grinder you can get imo. I have one and it’s a monster! Oh and 110 hp Cummins powered!
On my remote control shredder head I have 1100 ws series green teeth. You cannot sharpen them once you put a little bit of heat on those solder head they usually Fall apart.
For me Vermeer is the best what I used to use when I worked for a tree service.
My name is Tanner. So I guess I know what I should be looking for. Lol
Triple T's Services so did we need to know your name was tanner
Griffin Dachel yes, we did, that’s the joke, did you even watch the video?
Plug phones are the best hearing protection I have own that is Bluetooth and mic I never miss a call or text no matter how busy I am. Also I love those gas cans also they are not cheap though.
how about the ventrac stump grinder for your ventrac
Best stump grinder I’ve found is tannerite and a .223
I like diesel and used motor oil myself. Stinks but effective.
where is the link to the diamond wheel for sharpening teeeth??????
Just a heads up you should all be wearing masks you are diamond grinding a carbide tip and it's super poisonous/toxic
that is a good point you made
Tanner sounds like a guy on my crew. Anyway. Like most of your comparisons I like how you use opinion and make it clear the best equipment depends on who you are.
I'm going to be honest and say mu used dosko off craiglist is by far the best way to make money grinding stumps. Seeing how slow the toro is, I really don't know if it's worth the money or added expense to maintain.
Is that a Kodiak pickup?
Check out the stump ex thing is a beast
How about Rayco stump grinders?
Nothing better than a rayco
I had a 13 horse baby one, it was good
IT IS A ENGINE ON THE STUMP GRINDER THE CHAIN SAW HAS A ELECTRIC MOTOR!
How to these compare to the Skid steer stump grinder attachments??
I had a skid steer stump grinder for awhile and now have a Toro STX38. The skid steer grinder is a little slower but does work fairly well. My main reason for going to the toro was getting in and out without tearing up yards and the toro can go through a 36" gate. Overall very happy with the toro.
I grind stump professionally and am part of a FB group just for stump grinders. There are 2 ways to start a war in that forum (1) asking which cutting system is best and (2) asking which is the best stump grinder. I really like the Rayco brand of diesel stump grinders. The other 2 major competitors are Vermeer and Carlton.
Me too. I love stump grinders.
Toro is best from standpoint of riding on trailer with mini loader and it is fast and can get anywhere. Just takes finesse.
cool video same I don't know anything about stump grinders ether
Thanks for watching Brian !
Where do I get those gas cans?
Rayco rg 60 super Jr. Has the same hp as a toehold, but is portable and can fit through a 3 ft. Wide gate/opening
Toe- behind*
Helmet ⛑ on but no safety glasses running a saw very professional😒
I have stations for 32 teeth on my 1672, been running only 4 teeth, for over 20 yrs. It cuts just as fast with 4, as 32.
Benn running a Rayco 1672 dxh for 30 yrs. 68 hp Deutz diesel. Oil stays honey gold, yr round. Plenty of power. Had a Rayco 1620 jr , 25 hp, before that. Now, the hard to access stumps, I just tell them to check around for someone with a small grinder, unless they want to pay rental on a small machine. Cutting with dull teeth in a big grinder, still takes too long, not too great on the bearings.
Vermeer sc60 with a remote best grinder out there tears aussie hardwood to bit no worries at all
The terex had alot more power and better visability. when you were behind the toro you could not see or was unable to judge where the cutters were plus with the terex you would be able to see if a big rock was being hit but terex would be better if it was on tracks . Great video
Thank you !
i use vermeer but i think the if you dont know how or want to do your own repairs and maintenenance whatever you want to buy you have to have a plan for that,, some grinders are more complicated and more expensive to repair like my sc852 is a lot more powerful and faster but more expensive to maintain,,, if i was recomending a model for a landscaper id suggest vermeer sc362 , i use one and they are easy to maintaine and not much to them anyone whos a little handy could keep up on em ,,