Reacting to Jay Shetty's Therapist Ex | A Conversation About Coaches
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In this video, I react to Trikaya Psychology's video in which she calls out her ex, Jay Shetty, for what she believes to be misinformation about therapists and the field of therapy. I use this video as a jumping-off point to discuss the very thin line between coaching and therapy.
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As a life coach who is slowly but surely pursuing my degree in social work, I'm constantly referring clients out to therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, etc. My job as a coach is to help people set goals that are authentic to them while providing some accountability for that. If their goals are related to their mental health, I refer them to people qualified in my area. Anyways, it's frustrating to see my field like this.
Same here! Many people seek my coaching services, but just based on their initial description it is clear to me they need therapy. And I tell them and let them know coaching is secondary. Healing needs therapy. It's not in my competence as a coach. But this is because my certification clearly outlined the threshold of competence for coaching. We are trauma informed and were recognize when someone firstly needs therapy.
i think there is a sore lack of practitioner-based referral networks here with licensed therapists in germany so this is such a green flag for me because it evades the whole everyone should be able to treat everyone expectation that i think i've encountered here. where there is just no discussion of how do we make sure that this is the right method of approach for me to be engaging with as a patient like how do we gage fit early on to predict that this will move me forward from a stuckplace and not just prolongue it!
Yall scammers
One thing I'd like to mention here: many coaching certifications do not have clear ethical guidelines and professional boundaries. The threshold of competence is clearly outlined in sound coaching certifications. Also, coaches who stick to their lane usually do not make it that big. I say this because many people need therapy primarily. Pure coaching is actually for the very few stable / balanced / at peace individuals. I say this with all respect to everyone out there, including myself (I too am human and have had my history of trauma to slowly heal). 🙏🏻
Ethical guidelines? I don't understand. The counseling ethics board is made up of counselors, as I've discovered.
About the last part where you're asking why coaches wouldn't sign up to become therapists.. In my country, the Netherlands, the psychology bachelor is quite competitive to get in to. It's a very popular study. Then after a 3 year bachelor, they have to go through a 1 or 2 year master's. Then a 4 year psychotherapist training. In the best case scenario, it takes 8 years. Or.. You can take a coaching course for a week or month and call yourself a certified coach. Yes, it's a shortcut.
In Bulgaria, it is also the psychiatrists who treat bi-polar, schizophrenia, etc, and there is the division between the psychologists/ therapist and psychiatrists.
Thank you how such a candid review of this topic!
I’ve utilized both therapy and coaching- Therapy has helped me explore family trauma and interpersonal dynamics.
In coaching I’ve focused on my anxiety, my faith, career or achieving very specific time framed goals where I needed additional accountability.
Yes a therapist can help in those areas but I found that my sessions with a subject related coach are my action oriented and I found that they were truly experts in those fields where I needed strategic guidance.
In the UK only psychiatrists can give diagnoses. It is also extremely difficult to have an assessment with a psychiatrist to be diagnosed. Especially if you have had a diagnosis in the past. Many people who have the means will seek private health care to be able to see a psychiatrist. I have seen a psychiatrist only once over a 10 year period, even though I had requested so. Therapists will often identify and work with clients on undiagnosed disorders. I would love to hear your thoughts on Teal Swan 💛🌟
Yeah same in poland, only psychiatrist can give a diagnosis
Teal Swan evaluation would be great
As a current psychology student it’s so enfuriating to see people with no credentials charge so much for services they’re not even qualified to give…
Isn't that gatekeeping? Western medicine doesn't have a monopoly on healing. Definitely experienced more trauma from white collar professionals than people like gabor mate and somatic healers
This is happening because the market is not regulated. And as long as everyone can put the label „coach“ this will continue to happen
@@catcat9582gabor mate is a medical doctor
Not trying to be rude, but most LCSW's are as good as tarot readers and I'd pay most coaches than them any day.
Such as what? As long as they aren’t treating or diagnosing, there is absolutely no issue. If you believe there is, you are the problem.
I automatically translate 'coach' to 'unqualified'. Now, I have issues with people who think a formal degree is the only way to become educated, because that ignores the realities of racial income inequalities and such. But coaches have become SO numerous that it's usually a hard pass for me.
A formal degree IS the only way to become educated. However, the knowledge can be accessed in other ways. I don't trust 'em 99.99% of the time tho.
@@Heyu7her3 I don't trust a lot of people with formal degrees also such as a lot of therapist. Most of them are just bad. Therapy is much more than just education it's a skill. I would rather have an experienced life coach than an average therapist. Not saying education is bad but it doesn't mean everything.
@@Heyu7her3what? You literally contradicted yourself in 1 sentence
A coach has to become qualified to become a certified ICF coach, do your research and dont believe everyone unqualified who claims they are a coach but also don't disrespect real coaches. This all or nothing mentality lacks insight and nuance.
@@scarlettenoir I haven't seen any of these coaches mention any certification or credentialing related to International Coaching Federation. I usually check their RUclips channel "about" section, as well as the first minute of a video, as well as the video's description.
I am nearly qualified with the International Coaching Federation. It's ethical framework, code of conduct and competency framework is solid. Sometimes coaching is better than therapy and vice versa. Deffo get a properly qualified coach if you are going that route, and one who refers to other therapies rather than straying into therapy themselves..
Hi Ana. I agree with the points you are making regarding the training and credentials of some online coaches and therapists. I think the money aspect is important and very tricky because a lot of psychologists and therapists charge their clients through insurance especially in the US and I think that’s a major factor in why people hire these types of individuals rather than deal with the nightmare that is American health insurance. I have experience in the medical field and have seen the same psychologist for over 10 years and my insurance issues have come up a few times however my therapist has never turned me away because of my insurance and I’m very fortunate for that however many others can’t say the same. Thank you for your videos and the interesting topics you discuss.
In the uk only psychiatrists can diagnose, and most if not all therapists work from a Rogerian / person centred aproach with other elements like cbt etc woven in afterwards.
I'm just finishing my 1st year of my foundation degree and we have only focused on person centred therapy so far. That's level 2, 3 and 4).CBT and psychodynamic in the next two years 🎉
As a result the term "patient" isn't used because it detracts from the self empowerment of the client.
A counselor telling you that you are «strange» with a touch of disgust, is a lot worse than a thoughtfully explained confidential diagnoses. In my experience, when in a vulnerable position, it is not so easy to find the right help, or even sort through what is available.
I got an ad for the Jay Shetty coaching certification school on this video 😅
Hi Dr. Ana could you please make video on how to find a good therapist? That's the most challenging part
I think Ana you missed her take on major psychiatric disorders and therapy, "Therapy is for crazy people" not long ago and in most parts of the world this is the impression, so when she was specific for ethnic/color minorities she was spot on. He is reinforcing that stigma ... What do people in Romania think, in Serbia has gotten better but for the younger generations...
Hi, Romanian younger millennial here. I can say the attitude amongst my generation and the younger ones is changing. However, my parents' generation and the older ones still either don't know too much about mental health and struggles so they don't care for it, or they still believe therapy is for crazy people. I see it in my parents, how they neglected their mental health and issues and how it affected themselves and those around them; and they're not the only ones who display this sort of neglect. I am going to therapy and have never told my parents about it, largely because they're the reason I need therapy, but also because I know they'd jump to all sorts of conclusions.
@@KamalianCiranoush I'm German and 25 but same here pretty much went without telling my parents at first (ironically my grandma has been attending therapy for years) wanted to do it on my own terms without being questioned for it because it was hard enough for me to face without engaging in discussions! took me a couple of years to openly talk it through with them but they are slowly dropping some of the you-won't-change-my-mind-on-this stories they're telling themselves about their own mental health issues or mine! all those myths they've adopted so long ago. hope you can do it openly some day, such an unhealthy stubbornness!
Hello fellow Serbian! 😂
wow i'm shocked. i can't believe he willfully lied about his credentials. it's crazy how a hunger for money can drive people to willfully mislead others en masse
And he's massively famous. I am subscribed to his channel. There are very interesting interviews
I imagine the main reason for seeking a coach would be thinking it is cheaper than a therapist. And that pursuing a coaching career is also an attempt to spend less money on education than someone becoming a therapist. But the idea of a coach who may not be certified or fully informed teaching other coaches gives me a bad feeling. It seems like a bad game of telephone and not worth the risk.
I hadn’t thought of people seeking a coach rather than a therapist for financial reasons since the majority of coaches’ rates I see online are about the same as therapists’ rates, sometimes even more😬
Thank you for validating my concerns about coaching. I became a certified life coach in 2019, but have never worked in the field because I never felt comfortable doing so. The lines between coaching and counseling felt incredibly vague and dangerously easy to cross. Everything I wanted to do as a coach, I knew could be done much more effectively by a licensed mental health professional. I would never want to scam people out of their money when they could be getting real help.
you are selling yourself short. You got certified and don't consider yourself "real help?"...could you be suffering from imposter syndrome?
You’re incredibly wrong. Therapists, by design, don’t do what coaches do. Therapists are explicitly told NOT to help fix a problem. - I say, I’m having issues making friends or getting in a relationship with a partner or getting into a specific career field…
Are there aspects of overcoming those issues that therapists can theoretically help with? Absolutely. That said, at no point are we going to make a checklist of: Do A, then do B, Then do C… that will get us to the second checkpoint which unlocks checkpoint a, b, c in part 2. Once those are completed we can go to part 3.
That will NEVER happen with a therapist in any almost any circumstance. - again, they are told Not to do that. It’s a way of absolving responsibility and this isn’t what I think, this is widely known.
@@skaylingop9673 I agree with your definition of therapy. depends on the type of coach (there are so many different kinds), but if we're talking about life coaching they aren't there to "fix" problems either. They are there to empower the client, help them see new perspectives, and help them move towards their goals. Client is in the driver's seat.
Re: therapists diagnose or not. Not quite sure about UK but in Canada therapists (Registered Clinical Counsellors) cannot diagnose. Only psychologists or psychiatrists can diagnose. I think (not certain) that becoming an RCC requires a Master’s degree.
UK might be more similar to Canada than to the US
I would argue that schizophrenia is stigmatizing because the disorder is historically thought of pretty negatively and there is a history in the US of treating people with schizophrenic spectrum disorders (SSD) in a horrible and inhumane way.
She never mentions his time as a monk. Presumably that also, was before she knew him. It isn't that unusual for people to decide to be a Monk or nun and then change their mind. That doesn't mean it is made up. That is a weirdly specific thing for someone to make up, if they're going to make something up. I used to have a coworker who was a former monk. He was a kind and fascinating person to talk to. Jay reminds me of him.
There's plenty of frauds within the certified therapists as well. Every profession does have their imposters. Just because there are some crappy coaches , doesn't mean whole industry is bad. As for regulations, coaching doesn't need to have similar regulations as medicine/psychiatry as they are not doing anything related to medicine/anatomy/physiology which need to maintain strict guidelines. At its core, coaching is people helping other people. Having a supportive community, that's all coaching is. And it has helped 100x more people than therapists can ever dream of
This is true but they have something that can be revoked!
There is no meditation or yogic practice that exists that isn't repurposed or repackaged going back thousands of years. The same was true in the 60's, 1930's and even earlier.
33:45 100%. Retraumatizing individuals is a very real real thing.
As she said, therapies are a minefield. Some Life Coaches (either trained or self-proclaimed) take advantage of this. In this day & age of social media influencing, there are many word-salad-manipulators who lure people in through emotional connection tactics, then they sell them services: classes, courses, retreats, books, etc...
I’m sure these people have good intentions, but I’m very wary of people who have good intentions and very little training. I have personal experience using a service that was supposed to help me, where they would make me feel awful for days/weeks after every interaction with them and they seemed to want a pat on the back for the ‘good deeds’ that they were doing in a job that they were paid for, and that they were severely undertrained in.
It's a similar phenomenon that many fields are experiencing, right now This cooption of university-trained personnel who worked had to learn their discipline and its methods only to be coopted by goofballs with no qualifications acting like their just as good. In my field of archaeology, we have a proliferation of dubious archaeology by people with no qualifications. I think this is touching on a growing issue in western academia.
There are a lot of off colored and abusive individuals studying and practicing in respective fields as well.
I love how coaching has this narrative that us as therapists only work with pathology, not health, doesn't work towards goals and positive functioning. But coaches do. That's an all out lie. I've seen some great coaches that I refer clients to. As I'm about coaching, depending on the school of it and the person. But I've also seen the worst of it. Some super traumatized new agey people inviting clients to their house and throwing every technique that they don't even understand, at the client. People that just give trite advice. And coaches working with trauma without any understanding the dangers of working with trauma unqualified. Such as obvious reinactments and retraumatization. To be fair, I've seen therapists make the same mistakes and harm vulnerable traumatized clients.
For some reason, I've never been drawn to any of his content, yet I read a lot and am always interested in hearing the content I know he speaks of. When I saw you upload this video, I immediately clicked to hear your perspective on him. Thanks, Ana
i always felt creeped out by his face, eyes, and his interviews with celebrities. Plus, hes so boring idk how ppl watch his stuff. I knew he was a bad person once i saw how many celebrities he knows
Therapists will sometimes refer to clients as patients if working in a medical setting like in hospitals, health care clinics, eating disorder programs etc.
Hi, as always I found your videos extremely educational, I am also becoming a therapist and am currently in my masters program, can you make a video on how you personally studied to become this knowledgable? I would also love to see a video of you reacting to Joe Dispenza videos
Is Jay Shetty that guy from the ads about "This woman learned the skill to learn all the skills possible in the world" ?
No, that's Vishen Lakhiani. Another "hot air" seller. 🙄
Unfortunately I think you give some people too much credit. My ex was very into Jay's nonsense and never took therapy seriously despite being in desperate need of it.
She instead spent her time with vision boards and learning about manifesting.
I pulled her off the brink of homelessness twice and since we broke up she's back there. She's suicidal, has wild mood swings, abuses substances, talks about compartmentalization as a desirable skill, and is so confident she will be successful she forgets that she needs to get started.
Ma psychotherapist was/is a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst, and he did in fact call us patients. I never noticed this thing about patent and client. Interesting detail. :) I agree with you about coaches. Their role is unregulated and the potential for harm is quite high being they carry no responsibility for their clients.
Heyyyyy, as a future career counselor, I appreciate the shout out 😂
they were fooled by his eyes
29:29 she’s referring to how he has affect on the public, IMO. And valid.
About diagnosing mental health issues and prescribing medications being for psychiatrists only: his is also the case in Romania (Eastern Europe). This is our law also. Overstepping on this expertise may get one's practice license withdrawn. Not sure why in the U.S. this is different...
Such a great and important conversation. Ty.
11:00 I think most if not all subject matter we become impassioned by, has a root that’s imbedded within ourselves.
I went to a therapist without a formal degree for a while. A lot of harm was done.
Loving the videos and discussions ❤
I don't know why random people who are looking for some type of help, especially with their careers, when they are not in school, would know all of these many types of therapy. Career counseling is only available to students.
At least she reported 👏👏👏 a very influential and potentially abusive-harmful self-made (spirituality/psychology) guru…🐺🤑🐺🤑🐺🤑
I didn't trust him from the beginning. His wife seems genuine though.
In UK, therapists reference clients not patients.
25:13 there are many non clinical mechanisms for change. Who cares about the definition of therapy. 26:06 nope, a diagnosis is required to bill insurance company. So if you walk in without a diagnosis, you walk out with one. Lady your messaging is not as healthy as you may think. I am out.
22:34 there’s a difference between clinical diagnoses which, isn’t that what psychologists involve and a diagnosis with intricate testing & a more medical, physical brain and medicinal end to it, via a psychiatrist, though, no?
I think that one of the things that has happened is that psychiatry has become the religion of liberalism.
Peter Breggin
The algo optimizes for demand not value ya know watcha gon do 🤷
Is coaching a scam then? Or is the moral to simply be aware of what you're getting into and to avoid being misled?
i used a similar service and idk if i've been scammed or not 😅
I used to follow him until he got so into growing through celebrities I saw his hunger and I discovered he wasn’t qualified to do therapy and I was done.
i never liked him
From a legal standpoint, the diagnosis of anyone other than from a psychiatrist is not considered.
can you explain what you mean?
do you mean specifically in court?
37:26 so so very over CBT/DBT over saturating therapy so…IMO, let the coaches have it.
Hi Ana, is your relationship course only for straight couples? Does it work for same sex couples?
It's for all kinds of relationships, not limited to romantic/sexual relationships and certainly not just straight ones! In the few lessons that are specific to romantic relationships, the research has been shown to be helpful for diverse couple types.
I quickly had an off feeling about Shetty. What I saw was someone sharing generic self-help phrases, almost like bumper stickers, things he'd heard other gurus say. And his deep earnestness and empathy felt too much. I think he's a hustler.
Potayto - potaato ... he is and has always been a grifter. I'm just shocked that people don't see it.
Why are gals called you guys?
When she said his therapy was "stolen", I immediately thought of the work "Steal Like an Artist", as well as Basquiat's work.
There might be truth to her claims, but she does seem petty and seeking vengeance to some extent.
Anyone who dares to call itself a “guru” is 110% a scammer. I won’t take what anything they say seriously
I knew Jay Shetty was sus
This topic screams "Kumare" if you are unaware watch the documentary here on RUclips
Interesting… I must watch
What a waste of time, sitting there reviewing a therapist who is British, our system and some methods are different from the US, there are hundreds of countries outside the US and we do and can vary.
i cannot stand that guy.
Jay Sh¡ttγ. 🤣
Life coaching feels like a religion. Someone gets some solid coaching, thinks it’s great then trains to be a life coach. It’s just life coaches selling the life coaching lifestyle over and over
I think he should stick to rap, it's way more entertaining 😂
If they call themselves a “guru,” there’s nearly 100% chance that they are a fraud.
Obama and Bidens liked him ---- tells you all!!
It’s “funny”, the ads for this video are of Jay Shetty advertising his coaching certificate 🫠
The big picture question for me is- how on earth did Jay get interviews/ do podcasts with: Joe Biden, Michelle Obama, Oprah Winfrey et al?
Did he go for them or did they go for him and his audience. I think they went for the audience..
@@Aksamsonsthat’s a fair take
A very important topic, thank you!!
Therapist is different in the UK to in America. Therapists in the UK don't diagnose or use the medical model. Although NHS might ask therapists to record metrics (like phq9).
There is a lot of stigma associated with PD and schizophrenia in the UK and I've heard those disorder labels used as common slurs. Many people go a long time before getting help because they think "I don't want to take resources away from people who need it more".
In Brazil as well, here psychologists cannot diagnose their clients, only psychiatrists can
Same thing in Argentina
Was wondering what therapists think of Dr. K aka HealthyGamer
Edit: Im not hating on Dr. K. Im actually an avid viewer of his content. I was just asking a question, chill
Same! Especially after the controversy that happened with Reckfull years ago..
He's a psychiatrist.. and helps people.
@@harirao7929 im aware. But he calls what he does "coaching"
@@Phoenixguy357because it is. What he does online is not the same thing as his clinical work
@@Phoenixguy357he has to go protect his license.
Not all therapists are very helpful though. I've been in therapy ten years and it's been so tough to get proper help.
Its a you problem
100%, and don't listen to blub-tf6rt. I had bad or mediocre therapy for 14 years before coming to the therapist I have today, and a lot of people tried to tell me it was me. That messed me up, I internalized that belief to the point I still have trouble not believing it. It's not true.
I wish I could help you on the matter of finding a good therapist. For me, it was basically luck and persistence. So if nothing else, don't give up, and don't settle on a therapist who's not helping you or who tries to blame you for not getting better (such as claiming you don't want to get better or you're not trying hard enough).
Finding a therapist that’s a good fit for you takes some work at best. I think a majority of therapists are good therapists, but only a few are a good fit for any given person.
Oh damn, this'll be interesting. I hadnt heard of the article. Always found him to be a bit suspicious but never looked into it. Thanks preemptively for talking about the issues related. Nuance is much needed
I really enjoyed Jay Shetty's interview, mostly on meditation, a huge interest of mine, with Sam Harris. However, I've since seen an episode he did with Joe Dispenza, in which Dispenza claimed meditation, among other things, can help the blind see. Shetty didn't call this out but instead heaped praise and enthusiasm on Dispenza. I've since seen any number of prominent podcasters, huge names in the RUclips interviewing business, like Lewis Howes, Tom Bilyeu, and Chris Williamson, do interviews with Dispenza. In the Lewis Howes interview, Dispenza says, "There's information in their blood that can cure viruses. Any virus." It's been disillusioning regarding not just Shetty, who I liked but didn't follow too closely, but a lot of the RUclips podcasting world. It's interesting but not too surprising Shetty is himself selling materials he's not really qualified to sell.
Joe Dispenza's claims are usually rooted in a glimmer of science, but I feel like he takes them to a very extreme point where they cease to be accurate. Tbh my main gripe with him is the fact that he doesn't acknowledge he's a chiropractor, instead framing himself as expert in several very complex fields (quantum physics, neuroscience, medicine, epigenetics). If he were more open about what qualifications he does or doesn't have, it would feel more honest to me.
Hey!
I live in the U.K. and wanted to offer some insight that therapists here are NOT psychiatrists. They cannot diagnose or prescribe, they’re trained and qualified and have skill sets but it isn’t the same thing.
Therapists in the US are different 💕
Therapists in the US DO diagnose but DO NOT prescribe. it's more of a difference than UK commenters seem to understand so I thought i'd add this :)
@@codyp2808 ah! Thank you for this! I just know they’re different here than there. It can get very confusing when people suggest something and use the same term but all understand a different meaning lol!
Totally unrelated but do you know your seasonal colour palette Ana? I’ve been super into colour theory lately and attempting to type people I see, something about you in this orange blouse got me thinking!
I suspect I might be a dark winter but it's all very confusing to me, sometimes I also wonder if maybe I'm autumn or summer? Who knows 🙈
@@AnaPsychologyhighly recommend Carol Brailey’s virtual color analysis services! She was the first person to accurately analyze me. Maybe a cool video would be if you got a professional color analysis done and then discussed what data there is about the psychology of color?
@@AnaPsychology my initial thoughts were the cool seasons as well, but that orange brings out a ton of warmth in you which got me thinking you might be an autumn. Another indicator of a warm season is that I think gold metals would really suit you, do you have a preference for gold or silver? It looks like you have an olive skin tone, which can be tricky as they’re neutral. You also strike me as very clear/ bright which made me think bright spring?? Clearly it’s all very confusing to me as well 😹 if you ever did a professional analysis I would absolutely love a video on it!! Obviously a bit of a departure from the normal subject matter, but it would be super fun 💅
@@ouo7343 might be a fun topic for my Book & Hearth channel! I think my defining feature is contrast and my secondary is warm. And I just have a personal preference for silver over gold, I don't think I'd ever change my wardrobe no matter what the answer is 😂
The way I got a jay Shetty ad before this
What a Shetty situation 😀
Coaching and therapy shouldn't be at odds...they are interlinked and complimentary in most cases...
"Going to a psychiatrist has become one of the most dangerous things a person can do."
Peter Breggin M.D.
I don't see why the mental health juggernaut of sanitarium doesn't currently exist,like the prison system does, since they're basically doing the same task at different levels of competency. I wonder when there's going to be a revival of mental health and the importance it plays on a society and how ignoring it is probably setting that society up for failure, is this reasonable?
This may be biased or anecdotal, but I've noticed that the majority of coaches are men with no formal or practical education or experience
Have you heard of Healthy Gamer GG? The main person running it - Dr.K has a coaching programme. Would be interesting to see what you think about him. Also I would just love to see an talk/podcast between you two. He did one with Dr. Mike which was very engaging. Love your videos. Thank you!
It broke my heart one day to realise that i need to pay to have someone willing to listen. My thoughts and feelings are such a burden i need to compensate for that monetarily. If i go bankrupt, noone will care. Tried one more therapist after that and decided to rely on myself instead
listen to an audio book "Complex PTSD from surviving to thriving ", might help
Love your videos and this was an interesting one. Just one thing though… you mention that “even masters level therapists” diagnose and treat mental health conditions. Clinical social workers need 5 years of supervised clinical experience in addition to the academic part of their masters before they can independently practice, which is commensurate with what someone who is getting a PhD or PsyD goes through. Just want to point that out because there’s a lot of misinformation about the competence of social workers for some reason despite the fact that we do the majority of therapy in the US.
Anyway, not meant to be an attack on yo at all. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Unpopular opinion: Results speak for themself, and shitty coaches get vetted out. Successful coaches prosper due to word of mouth, not a qualification. There's plenty of qualified therapists who do harm alot of harm to clients, most people seeking assistance don't do their due diligence and vet their therapists. Honestly i think the harm is worse, because many end up believing that therapy is not for me or doesn't work.
CBT is a reflection of vedic-origin techniques, who should be referencing whom?
Exactly!
Shhhh we don’t talk about that
Yay, another video and it's a long one. :-)
Life coaching is 'cheap realestate' that's easy to flip and push, with little overheads. Also can be tied into people's desire to do good and help others. If you can hold a conversation, you can start. Compared to other studies and paths, no specific specialist knowledge is needed.
Jay has always creeped me out. Snake selling snake oil
3 Assorted Thoughts:
1. This talk of mh diagnosing logically entailing the infliction of stigma sounds like anti-psychiatry thinking. I think this notion is based on a failure to distinguish between 'unfortunate' and 'derogatory'.
2. Over the years, I've been doing a lot of anti-stigma activism that consists mainly of resistance to stigmatizing language--I resist the use of mh slurs ('l**atic', 'n*t j*b',...), words that imply that there are no law-abiding citizens w/mental illness, etc. I'm not offended by the use of 'patient', but use 'client' instead in order to accommodate those who are offended by the former term.
3. I disagree w/anti-psychiatry because this philosophy is also anti-a-certain-segment-of- the-mentally-ill-population, namely, those who freely comply w/mh treatment. Of course, I also acknowledge the existence of good psychiatrists.
I agree with you that the definition of therapy is not correct. In the Uk registered psychologists may diagnose. For example, I as a counselling psychologist I tend to have a more holistic view than the medical model and do not diagnostise unless I work with insurance clients and it is required. There is now book in the UK by M Trent et al that helps to find a qualified therapy.
If he had credentials in the mental health field I think they would have been listed, no? He was very comfortable about mis-naming the degree he had obtained, so surely anything he did morally achieve he would boast about, which makes me think he doesn’t have credentials?!?
I appreciate the thorough nature you have with sticking to as much of the facts as you can so we can all be on the same page. Very helpful to the discussion
to me someone that claims to be a "coach" is someone that didn't want to spend time and energy to get properly trained, but still want to make profit in the mental health area.. it never sat right with me. also i think even some of people who have the credentials nowadays weren't properly trained... i've had bad experiences with multiple LCSWs and tbh now i'm really doubtful about the quality of the therapist training.. i'm trying to find someone with a Ph.D or Psy.D. but there are just so few in my area
It can definitely be hard to find the right therapist! It took me many therapy experiences before I found just the right one for me. When the treatment relies on the relationship between two people, there are sooo many variables that go into goodness of fit.
@@AnaPsychology Ana what would you say are red, green and yellow flags for therapists?
The issue isn't the fact that he's a coach, it's the fact that he claims to be a mental health expert - mental health!! Something you need to be medically trained for!!
In Canada psychologists and psychiatrists can diagnose but only psychiatrists can give meds. Also I think psychologists differ from therapists in that psychologists have their PhD and do research. And I think we got that from the UK