You guys had me when I went to the website. The price per sheet was less than imagined, until I put in my zip code and seen the shipping cost which was more than twice the cost of the material.
Jacob, Need to blame the trucking industry for the freight costs. But these panels may be available from a distributor if there is one in your area, call us and we will try to find them locally for you. OF course, as you, know, it cost about the same to send 1 or 50 panels out with truck freight,so the more you order, the better price you have per sheet including freight.
@@CarbonCoreCorp Yep that's the problem I only needed four of them. I get what you're saying. Freight and postal fees are making more money than all of us. In my business they eat up most of my profit margin cause I can't be competitive if I charge the customer shipping fees. I did find something akin to your product from another source, but I'm sure it was not as well made as your product and I am already having regrets. Next boat build I really want to use your honeycomb composite ...no more compromises!
Greetings and thanks for the video, Listen, this product seems great despite the cost (especially with shipping). But that being the case, now we potential customers who are seriously considering the product need some direct clear answers to our concerns which throughout the comments section have been vaguely replied to if at all by Carbon-Core Corp. (for the record, visiting the website or after calling the technicians/representatives some questions still haven't been definitively answered). Can you all perhaps make an updated video on using fasteners such as screws, bolts, nails, threaded inserts (ATR pins etc.)...and which will and will not work and the stress limitations of each? Also, any suggestions on best way to deal with the cut edges if one wants to make a panel or lid with hinges (i.e., should we carve out the honeycomb edge and epoxy in a strip of wood or pvc, or use construction adhesive to glue on a section of aluminum c-channel over the edge, or just fill in some epoxy or bondo the edge, sand, and then place the screwed hinges in directly)?? My longwinded point is, PLEASE HELP US OUT by making a updated video addressing how to overcome these issues. You will definitely be compensated/rewarded well for making said new video....from all of the business you will gain from the multitude of us whose only hesitation is what was covered in this lecture i just wrote. lol!
Are you avoiding plywood throughout your whole conversion? I was looking for an alternative material to ply which was fully waterproof for all panelling walls, floor and ceiling and I think this might be the solution.
Lani C hey how are you getting on with the conversion? How are you sticking the honeycomb on to the walls? Rivnut directly on to metal ribs? Thank you!
What a coincidence that I need to rebuild the substrate on an outdoor stainless steel workbench that has a leaky patch on it. I did a web search thinking there must be a honeycomb plastic materiel I can use for this. Turns out Carbon Core is my neighbor here in Troy, VA. We're not on the map for much here, so this is almost serendipity. I certainly never thought I would find these products 5 miles from me. Unfortunately after learning about the products, extreme weather plywood would be more economical for my needs since weight is not an issue for me. I am excited that this is a local business to me though! We love our local businesses here in Virginia!
@@timboWVU Shipping is outrageous. Over $200 for a $75 panel. But that would likely be the case for a sheet of plywood too. I imagine they have to crate this material or something to protect it. The gorillas that are the shipping industry can damage solid steel, let alone a sheet of honeycomb plastic. I had the company I work for look in to this material for substrate on outdoor stainless kitchen countertops. It would be a good alternative to exterior grade plywood. I dont know what the sample pack included that they ordered, but they wanted a sample of 3/4" thick. It would have to hold screws though. Not screws through it, but screws in to it to draw a countertop down to a cabinet. It also has to withstand adhesive without melting. The solution to the shipping would be to get the big home improvement chains to stock the stuff. I'd bet it would sell once people got familiar with it.
That hammer test demonstrated the high density of the marine ply over the foam core. There are specifications that list the equivalent of ply wood verses foam core; 9mm marine ply is equivalent to 34oz (1kg per m2) /20mm foam core/ 34 oz with the foam core weighing approx. 6kg/m2. 9mm ply weighs approx 5.3kg/m2. Even when skinned with 6oz cloth and resin, it still comes around the same 6kg/m2. Foam loses on every score except stiffness. Meaning ply needs more stringers or inbuilt structural support from furniture, cupboards etc, or the addition a carbon skinning. Cheers
What if you wanted to make a super light weight camper / Toy hauler trailer? Would this be able to withstand the flex and vibration of going down the road or supporting a large side by side supported by 16" center supports? Does it dent if you drop something on it, or smash the product in? Does this insulate too better than plywood? What's the R-Value equivalent of it? Could you put lets say a 1" or maybe 2" piece of this down for the floor off an Enclosed cargo trailer and then spray a Line-X type of coating over it and park heavy side by side or any other kind of off road vehicles on it without it sagging or crushing under the weight? That's what really makes me interested in it.
Several expedition vehicles have been made from these panels, R value is 3.3 per 1" of thickness in vertical position, and about 1 in horizontal position. Polyurea sticks great tho the fiberglass surface. Download the mechanical data sheet(laminated composite panels) from www.carbon-core.com, it lists several precalculated deflection values for different thicknesses.
Thank you. Great information. I would like to see an impact and/or hammer test to see how this honeycomb polyethylene material holds up as compared to plywood. The honeycomb polyethylene panels are also use to construct road-cases to be used to store 88 key electronic keyboards and all other cases involved in the music industry that are packed in semi-trucks for a concert. Would really like to see how this material holds up to the industry wear and tear. Thank you kindly.
my concern would be what would happen if Jack had jumped in the middle...I suspect the plywood would spring back, but the honey-comb material might collapse. What is the strength of material during impact/impulse vs. slow applied pressure?
Thanks buddy. I’m researching the right panel for this 4 foot speed square/ cutting jig for chopping plywood for home construction. I’m gonna be a millionaire
I would think you would core out one panel's edge (make it female). Remove the glass laminate from the other panel's edge (make it the male). Glue those edges and insert the male into female. Then tape both sides with fiberglass. You would have a bit of a bulge because the taped area would be thicker, but this would be strong.
How does Carbon Core accept nails and screws going through the board and onto the stringers? What about the compression at the small area of the heads of nails or screws? Is each cell in the Carbon Core guaranteed to be sealed and waterproof, and what of the butting of panels ... any special needs? How does 3/4" Carbon Core compare to 3/4 inch marine plywood, in a collision situation?
Fatal flaw you can't scarf the boards which is a much better method than butt joints. So you'd still be making the majority of the weight of a boat through the hull. BUT, you could use this to make anything from the deck up. This would be an excellent material for making Jon to bass boat conversions much lighter.
For butt joints, one can remove the honey comb to a desired depth on each butt and add a core to bond both panels together, if done right, could be just as good or better than a scarf joint?
@@sabio2009 a foam core or expanded pvc core could be used. Just something to give the joint some extra strength if required. I have used some expanded pvc on some home projects lately and have been impressed with them. I bought pvc boards at homedepot as a window sill alternative.
Greg, This was meant to be a visual representation on deflection test in real world conditions, outside of a lab. For test results in impact, R value, tensile etc. please consult with our website, and the product data sheet at www.carbon-core.com Impact strength is one of the strongest part of this panel , R values are 3.3 per 1" of thickness in vertical position.
I have built several plywood and cedar strip boats over the past 30 yrs. I have also built an all wood jon boat. My question is how does this material hold up to impacts and direct scrapes from, say rocks. I have found that same boats built in plywood covered in fiberglass take impact better than straight strips of wood covered in fiberglass. The plywood boat weighs more but holds up to impacts better. In the case of my jon boats, the planks were 3/4" pine boards and the boat was 22' long and 4' wide. When built in plywood I can use thinner plywood and cover it in fiberglass inside and out. This keeps my weight down, extends the life of the boat and takes impacts and scrapes very well. By far though the all wood boat with no fiberglass has the best sound dampening in my opinion. I have hit huge rocks mid stream just under the surface of the water and only had minor damage. Usually only to the paint. As another gentleman said scarfing is used allot in building boats and this could prove challenging. Butt blocks could be used of course but this is added weight. I can definitely see the benefit of using this on the interior components such as bulk heads, berths furniture and sub decks. I think a good couple of controlled test of scrapes and impacts would be helpful for your buyers. Like I said I would use this product on interiors but I'm not sold for it on the hull. The hull is just one part of a boat so allot of weight could be saved using this product above the waterline. All this is just my opinion based on my experience with building boats over the years. The larger a boat the more damage it causes and receives when on impacts and scrapes. Of course the thickness of materials will increase with size of the boat. Thanks for showing your product. I would like to try some just to compare. I would use a thickness of plywood that had equal deflection as your fiber core product. Of course this is after the plywood has been glassed inside and out. I believe this would give more of an accurate comparison. This is the same as when I build the jon boats . The one with plywood is built with thinner planks. This keeps the weight down but I gained in strength. Just some food for thoughts. I would love to hear your input or anyone else's input who has used your product.
I'm needing a plywood to replace the flooring in a shuttle bus. The light weight and sound deadening sounds desirable for what I need. Do you think this product would work for me as a sub floor in a shuttle bus? It would be exposed to the elements of the road as the bus is being driven down the road.
Only negative thing I’ve been hearing about honeycomb for boat floors is it’s tough to screw into if your trying to add a tower . Or anything that needs to be structurally secured.
Steven, you are correct. Adhesive bonding and sheet metal type screws are is a commonly used technique to address that problem and larger backing plates can also be used effectively. Usually the extra effort is worth the reduced weight.
Restance to uv? I am replacing the wood floor I installed in my 16 foot Princecraft Starfish. Also wear and tear from walking on this material. Oh and, slippery when wet? I sealed some sand ontop of the ply to prevent the coated surface from being slippery.
I wonder what the insulation rating is as well considering it looks like a paper honeycomb loom inside. May be better as well. Curious if it is efficient there as well, if it could be used as an rv floor base material. Does it have a higher water resistance than natural plywood? Lots of other tests to do but really cool product.
Not exactly a miracle material. Drive a fastener into it, or hang something on it vertically. what is the cost vs marine grade plywood? What is the thermal expansion? Tensile strength? No doubt this has really good applications, but you should be a little more forthcoming on where and where not this will be a good application.
No videos, but there may be some photos of customer applications on our website. We try to keep our customers projects confidential for their protection.
What about breakdown in the Florida sun over 20y? Any off gassing ? Is any part of this product from recycled materials? Will screws be a secure as they are in wood? Can it be used in a small house build in place of wood sheathing?.. and the 1M question.. price comparison?
There is no off gassing, no recycled materials used in our production currently. Screw retention is obviously not the same as wood, but you can get close to same values with right type of fastener. You can check the prices on our website, but no light weight composite material is comparable to wood prices. Boats have been built for 40 years from this material with large percentage of them residing in Florida. There is a reason boats are not built out of wood for a long time.
Marine plywood is not coated with fiberglass on a pontoon boat. It is just screwed down. But your product looks nice. On a pontoon boat, numerous holes are drilled through it for rails, wires, control cables, seats and accessories. Will your product allow water into the cells once it is drilled?
Great video. I'm looking for a light weight alternative to plywood decking for my enclosed car trailer. Would this be strong enough for that application?
If I build a deck out of the honeycomb, can I glass over it to make it blend to the boat itself. Doing a skiff and I want the front and back deck to be level with the top of the boat.
almost imposable to keep paint on it. Special glues required to adhere to it . Have to be careful bolting fixtures to it. It will crush. If uv get into unprotected edges. They crumble.
I am looking to build a sleeping platform at the back of my first. I’ve seen people use plywood to level the sleeping surface. Will your product work just as well while reducing the weight? If so, Which type should I buy? Thank you very much in advance.
@@gevorgnazaryan8720 Absolutely, if you call our office, we could run calculations, that depend on how you support the panel, but typically, 25 mm, or 1" panel should work fine for what you do.
Hello I am looking for some sort of flexible sheeting that isnt corplast but has similar characteristic to be able to flex and form an arch the long way with about 4 feet between the ends once bent..i am trying to build a bike towable camper..thanks any ideas are helpful make
Hello from Argentina! O have a question, This honeycomb board can be used for a "boat deck" that goes down the floor? Instead of wood, because its an old boat and the structure that hold the floor is made of wood and it's all rotten. Thanks for the advice
No artificial lightweight engineered materials are ever lower price than wood. Lightweight no rot construction pays for itself over short period of ownership costs.
how it is attached to a wooden frame...... you can screw and countersink on wood.... can you screw and countersink on the composite panel. i will explain.... i am planning on making my own high top for a van. weight is an issue, but being easy to work with is important to me. i was going to build a frame.... then sheet it with quarter inch plywood then fiberglass over that. the roof of the van has to hold about 300 lbs of solar panels plus the weight of a maxx air fan and the hardware to hold it all up there. so i need structural stability . flex is NOT my friend. i figured i could do 2 or more layers of fiberglass to help as well as reinforce the corners with some woven roving or some other comparable item. if i could reduce the amount of lumber and still have rigidity it would lighten up the top considerably. however if the panel will "rip out" or "crush" when attached then it wont work.
Hello, easiest way to add stiffness is increase thickness of the panel, alternatively, reduce the free span of the panel by adding supports in the middlenof the span. Adhesive bonding and or sheetmetal screws are viable solutions to replace wood screws. To save all that weight you will need to do some extra work.
Im thinking of building a truck.camper out of the ¾ Material. Would you know the insulation value? And would I be able to use any fiberglass resin to joim the panels?
How do I get in touch for a technical question? I need to build a thin piece think catamaran wing, as thin as possible. If I wanted to have a tube structure say 2" o.d. a little inside of the edges for structure and flexion control, how manipulatable is this product? I'm trying to re-work a sandwich composite over foam idead and am thinking about flex over a long edge on two sides of a very lightweight platform. Is there a way to bend it without compromising strength, would I need to cnc some pieces to sandwich around the metal to meet up with the two surface pieces kind of an intricate idea and this looks like it could reduce my weight substantially vs wood
Do you have instructions on creating a curved surface using the plastic? Say a camper for bicycles. This will reduce the weight but not sure I can bend it without break it.
Hi, I am interested in these panels can I cut them with a jigsaw or a circular saw also is there some kind of bonding glue or epoxy that will permanently bond them, And how do you order? I’m building a camper trailer and like the rigidity and the weight these offer .
Honey comb will still need resin and a layer of glass on both sides for strength which will and some weight. You should notate that in your description. It will still be lighter than wood.
All our weight and calculations for our panel have the resin and glass weight already included. Honeycomb by itself without the glass and resin would weight only 13 # for 1" panel 4x8 size.
Is this product able to be cut down to size with a circular saw? I apologize if this sounds redundant, I'm just trying to figure how to apply it to my own needs. Thank you in advance!
I went to see how much shipping would be. It said shipping would be 195 dollars. That was more than the two or three sheets I would need. So sad. I thought the light weight made shipping less. Can I pick it up myself? Where is it located?
That is the kicker, Im betting it over $100 per sheet, which if you think about glassing all that isn't so bad I suppose depending on the "real cost" I want to build a small pilot house for my Whaler and this stuff looks perfect for that application personally.
@@barryculloty2568 It is , but most of the cost of our panels is fiberglass cost. Whether we buy the material and make the lamination or you do it, either way, it costs about $100 per sheet to laminate both sides. The balance is the core cost and our labor. But you get perfect flat panels form us and save hours of labor..
@@CarbonCoreCorp Can a poly glue work as well in a caulk tube like pl premium or something of the sort that one can still epoxy over or take poly resin over?
I think you gave a very GOOD intro in comparing two different materials. thanks
Great video. I have been looking for this kind of material for RV use. Thanks
You guys had me when I went to the website. The price per sheet was less than imagined, until I put in my zip code and seen the shipping cost which was more than twice the cost of the material.
Jacob,
Need to blame the trucking industry for the freight costs. But these panels may be available from a distributor if there is one in your area, call us and we will try to find them locally for you. OF course, as you, know, it cost about the same to send 1 or 50 panels out with truck freight,so the more you order, the better price you have per sheet including freight.
@@CarbonCoreCorp Yep that's the problem I only needed four of them. I get what you're saying. Freight and postal fees are making more money than all of us. In my business they eat up most of my profit margin cause I can't be competitive if I charge the customer shipping fees. I did find something akin to your product from another source, but I'm sure it was not as well made as your product and I am already having regrets. Next boat build I really want to use your honeycomb composite ...no more compromises!
Greetings and thanks for the video,
Listen, this product seems great despite the cost (especially with shipping). But that being the case, now we potential customers who are seriously considering the product need some direct clear answers to our concerns which throughout the comments section have been vaguely replied to if at all by Carbon-Core Corp. (for the record, visiting the website or after calling the technicians/representatives some questions still haven't been definitively answered).
Can you all perhaps make an updated video on using fasteners such as screws, bolts, nails, threaded inserts (ATR pins etc.)...and which will and will not work and the stress limitations of each? Also, any suggestions on best way to deal with the cut edges if one wants to make a panel or lid with hinges (i.e., should we carve out the honeycomb edge and epoxy in a strip of wood or pvc, or use construction adhesive to glue on a section of aluminum c-channel over the edge, or just fill in some epoxy or bondo the edge, sand, and then place the screwed hinges in directly)??
My longwinded point is, PLEASE HELP US OUT by making a updated video addressing how to overcome these issues.
You will definitely be compensated/rewarded well for making said new video....from all of the business you will gain from the multitude of us whose only hesitation is what was covered in this lecture i just wrote. lol!
I just met someone who thinks like me. Exactely my ?'s also.
@@danmatelsky6064 There's so many of us, like 3's of us!
Can think of a lot of applications for a lighter weight, waterproof building solution.
I'm so glad I found this video. It will be so help when I build out my van for camping. The polycarbonate will save so much weight. 🤑🤑🤑👍👍👍
camper shell or interior walls and cabinets?
@@Gantzz321 interior walls and cabinetry.
Are you avoiding plywood throughout your whole conversion? I was looking for an alternative material to ply which was fully waterproof for all panelling walls, floor and ceiling and I think this might be the solution.
@@adrianafonso754 yes.
Lani C hey how are you getting on with the conversion? How are you sticking the honeycomb on to the walls? Rivnut directly on to metal ribs? Thank you!
What a coincidence that I need to rebuild the substrate on an outdoor stainless steel workbench that has a leaky patch on it. I did a web search thinking there must be a honeycomb plastic materiel I can use for this. Turns out Carbon Core is my neighbor here in Troy, VA. We're not on the map for much here, so this is almost serendipity. I certainly never thought I would find these products 5 miles from me.
Unfortunately after learning about the products, extreme weather plywood would be more economical for my needs since weight is not an issue for me. I am excited that this is a local business to me though! We love our local businesses here in Virginia!
awesome dude :)
Yea im in Richmond and it was 261 bucks to ship it here only 50 miles and i called and they said i can pick it up from the warehouse.
@@timboWVU Shipping is outrageous. Over $200 for a $75 panel. But that would likely be the case for a sheet of plywood too. I imagine they have to crate this material or something to protect it. The gorillas that are the shipping industry can damage solid steel, let alone a sheet of honeycomb plastic.
I had the company I work for look in to this material for substrate on outdoor stainless kitchen countertops. It would be a good alternative to exterior grade plywood. I dont know what the sample pack included that they ordered, but they wanted a sample of 3/4" thick. It would have to hold screws though. Not screws through it, but screws in to it to draw a countertop down to a cabinet. It also has to withstand adhesive without melting.
The solution to the shipping would be to get the big home improvement chains to stock the stuff. I'd bet it would sell once people got familiar with it.
That hammer test demonstrated the high density of the marine ply over the foam core. There are specifications that list the equivalent of ply wood verses foam core;
9mm marine ply is equivalent to 34oz (1kg per m2) /20mm foam core/ 34 oz with the foam core weighing approx. 6kg/m2.
9mm ply weighs approx 5.3kg/m2.
Even when skinned with 6oz cloth and resin, it still comes around the same 6kg/m2.
Foam loses on every score except stiffness. Meaning ply needs more stringers or inbuilt structural support from furniture, cupboards etc, or the addition a carbon skinning. Cheers
I just ordered the sample pack, I gotta see it to believe it! Thanks for the video!
Can these be screwed down like a typical plywood deck on a boat
What if you wanted to make a super light weight camper / Toy hauler trailer? Would this be able to withstand the flex and vibration of going down the road or supporting a large side by side supported by 16" center supports? Does it dent if you drop something on it, or smash the product in? Does this insulate too better than plywood? What's the R-Value equivalent of it? Could you put lets say a 1" or maybe 2" piece of this down for the floor off an Enclosed cargo trailer and then spray a Line-X type of coating over it and park heavy side by side or any other kind of off road vehicles on it without it sagging or crushing under the weight? That's what really makes me interested in it.
Several expedition vehicles have been made from these panels, R value is 3.3 per 1" of thickness in vertical position, and about 1 in horizontal position. Polyurea sticks great tho the fiberglass surface. Download the mechanical data sheet(laminated composite panels) from www.carbon-core.com, it lists several precalculated deflection values for different thicknesses.
I’d say yes, ever see
RV structural?
very good your videos. I'm building a camper and the information is very important.
Thank you. Great information. I would like to see an impact and/or hammer test to see how this honeycomb polyethylene material holds up as compared to plywood. The honeycomb polyethylene panels are also use to construct road-cases to be used to store 88 key electronic keyboards and all other cases involved in the music industry that are packed in semi-trucks for a concert. Would really like to see how this material holds up to the industry wear and tear. Thank you kindly.
Now you need a new dial caliper, ha. I love honeycomb design. Looks like a great product. I have the same sneakers, Walmart.
my concern would be what would happen if Jack had jumped in the middle...I suspect the plywood would spring back, but the honey-comb material might collapse. What is the strength of material during impact/impulse vs. slow applied pressure?
Thanks buddy. I’m researching the right panel for this 4 foot speed square/ cutting jig for chopping plywood for home construction. I’m gonna be a millionaire
how do you seam the edges when using multiple panel's?
another great question
@@Good Will Hunting thus adding to the cost
darn it - THAT'S my question too. I'm guessing some form of welding...ha, it got answered by Tom Brayton late '21
I would think you would core out one panel's edge (make it female). Remove the glass laminate from the other panel's edge (make it the male). Glue those edges and insert the male into female. Then tape both sides with fiberglass. You would have a bit of a bulge because the taped area would be thicker, but this would be strong.
how do you fasten the carbon core material together?
How does Carbon Core accept nails and screws going through the board and onto the stringers? What about the compression at the small area of the heads of nails or screws?
Is each cell in the Carbon Core guaranteed to be sealed and waterproof, and what of the butting of panels ... any special needs?
How does 3/4" Carbon Core compare to 3/4 inch marine plywood, in a collision situation?
Fatal flaw you can't scarf the boards which is a much better method than butt joints. So you'd still be making the majority of the weight of a boat through the hull.
BUT, you could use this to make anything from the deck up. This would be an excellent material for making Jon to bass boat conversions much lighter.
You’ll fiberglass either joint so it would become one panel.
For butt joints, one can remove the honey comb to a desired depth on each butt and add a core to bond both panels together, if done right, could be just as good or better than a scarf joint?
@@Richard-nb4iv, what “core” would be use to fill the board’s open ends? Also, what hinges fasteners must be used?
@@sabio2009 a foam core or expanded pvc core could be used. Just something to give the joint some extra strength if required.
I have used some expanded pvc on some home projects lately and have been impressed with them. I bought pvc boards at homedepot as a window sill alternative.
@@Richard-nb4iv , thanks!
QUESTION: Has anyone (Mike?) found away to create seamless edge joints when bonding these panels to form a bigger sheet? I open to any guidance
I would love to rebuild the interior of my 24 foot sailboat using this material!Wondering if I can get it on the west coast.
Of course, we ship to west coast regularily
Of course, we ship to west coast regularly
What's the biggest sheet you can get@@CarbonCoreCorp
@@jankline2542 10x50 feet
Great info, thanks!
Do you have 1/8" thick 4 x 8 sheets that would work for exterior RV panels?
Good point and interior panels too.
could not help but notice you didn't do an impact test. Also an R-value test. Have you had any customers use your products to fabricate campers?
Greg,
This was meant to be a visual representation on deflection test in real world conditions, outside of a lab. For test results in impact, R value, tensile etc. please consult with our website, and the product data sheet at www.carbon-core.com Impact strength is one of the strongest part of this panel , R values are 3.3 per 1" of thickness in vertical position.
I have built several plywood and cedar strip boats over the past 30 yrs. I have also built an all wood jon boat. My question is how does this material hold up to impacts and direct scrapes from, say rocks. I have found that same boats built in plywood covered in fiberglass take impact better than straight strips of wood covered in fiberglass. The plywood boat weighs more but holds up to impacts better. In the case of my jon boats, the planks were 3/4" pine boards and the boat was 22' long and 4' wide. When built in plywood I can use thinner plywood and cover it in fiberglass inside and out. This keeps my weight down, extends the life of the boat and takes impacts and scrapes very well. By far though the all wood boat with no fiberglass has the best sound dampening in my opinion. I have hit huge rocks mid stream just under the surface of the water and only had minor damage. Usually only to the paint.
As another gentleman said scarfing is used allot in building boats and this could prove challenging. Butt blocks could be used of course but this is added weight. I can definitely see the benefit of using this on the interior components such as bulk heads, berths furniture and sub decks. I think a good couple of controlled test of scrapes and impacts would be helpful for your buyers. Like I said I would use this product on interiors but I'm not sold for it on the hull. The hull is just one part of a boat so allot of weight could be saved using this product above the waterline.
All this is just my opinion based on my experience with building boats over the years. The larger a boat the more damage it causes and receives when on impacts and scrapes. Of course the thickness of materials will increase with size of the boat.
Thanks for showing your product. I would like to try some just to compare. I would use a thickness of plywood that had equal deflection as your fiber core product. Of course this is after the plywood has been glassed inside and out. I believe this would give more of an accurate comparison. This is the same as when I build the jon boats . The one with plywood is built with thinner planks. This keeps the weight down but I gained in strength. Just some food for thoughts.
I would love to hear your input or anyone else's input who has used your product.
I want to use that core as the floor of a johnboat. Ribs are spaced at just about 12".
What about screwing into it? What about glue? It doesn't matter if it lighter if you can't use common fasterners
I'm needing a plywood to replace the flooring in a shuttle bus.
The light weight and sound deadening sounds desirable for what I need.
Do you think this product would work for me as a sub floor in a shuttle bus?
It would be exposed to the elements of the road as the bus is being driven down the road.
Only negative thing I’ve been hearing about honeycomb for boat floors is it’s tough to screw into if your trying to add a tower . Or anything that needs to be structurally secured.
Steven, you are correct. Adhesive bonding and sheet metal type screws are is a commonly used technique to address that problem and larger backing plates can also be used effectively. Usually the extra effort is worth the reduced weight.
Make fiberglass backing plates about .25” or thicker
bonding - full length strength vs point contact
You think this would work for making a small tear drop camp trailer?
Restance to uv? I am replacing the wood floor I installed in my 16 foot Princecraft Starfish. Also wear and tear from walking on this material. Oh and, slippery when wet? I sealed some sand ontop of the ply to prevent the coated surface from being slippery.
These panels are made with UV resistant gelcoat. Wear characteristics are great, somewhat slippery when wet, but easy to coat with nonskid coating.
And the plywood flexes 1/64 th after it has skin on both sides 🙂🙂
And how much are those plastic panels?
Would be nice to compare the two .
please check our website for current pricing
@@CarbonCoreCorp will do, thx👍
I'm in Virginia and I'm interested in come by to check this stuff out and buy some. Bec I just got old airstream and it has no floors in it
I wonder what the insulation rating is as well considering it looks like a paper honeycomb loom inside. May be better as well.
Curious if it is efficient there as well, if it could be used as an rv floor base material.
Does it have a higher water resistance than natural plywood?
Lots of other tests to do but really cool product.
R value 3.3 per inch of thickness in vertical position. Al lot more info regarding that subject on our website.
great product i would use it to build the walls of a houseboat
Yes! I would love to build a DIY truck camper from this material. Where do I buy it?
Cool explanation! Cheers 🥂!
What about fire 🔥 resistance? Interesting 🤔 plastic vs wood 🪵. What type of material makes honeycomb plastic different from wood 🪵?
Would you recommend this for building an enclosed trailer?
can you make an entire boat hull with it?
Can HoneyComb board be used for Bulkheads and is it compatible to Vinylester & Polyester resin?
Yes, bulkheads are a common use for this material and our Composite Structural panels are compatible with VE and PE resins
Not exactly a miracle material. Drive a fastener into it, or hang something on it vertically. what is the cost vs marine grade plywood? What is the thermal expansion? Tensile strength? No doubt this has really good applications, but you should be a little more forthcoming on where and where not this will be a good application.
maybe you coukd make and post some content of your own before telling others how to make and post content? just a thought.
Any videos of finished applications, customer products?
No videos, but there may be some photos of customer applications on our website. We try to keep our customers projects confidential for their protection.
What about breakdown in the Florida sun over 20y? Any off gassing ? Is any part of this product from recycled materials? Will screws be a secure as they are in wood? Can it be used in a small house build in place of wood sheathing?.. and the 1M question.. price comparison?
There is no off gassing, no recycled materials used in our production currently. Screw retention is obviously not the same as wood, but you can get close to same values with right type of fastener. You can check the prices on our website, but no light weight composite material is comparable to wood prices. Boats have been built for 40 years from this material with large percentage of them residing in Florida. There is a reason boats are not built out of wood for a long time.
Hi, Was the floor damaged because of wood rot , impact or tensile failure? Do you know the thickness of the plywood floor that was damaged?
Want to try to build a kayak?
I just need a 4x8 sheet for my project. How would I order one?
Marine plywood is not coated with fiberglass on a pontoon boat. It is just screwed down. But your product looks nice. On a pontoon boat, numerous holes are drilled through it for rails, wires, control cables, seats and accessories. Will your product allow water into the cells once it is drilled?
No. Each cell is separate from the others.
On tropical island this is used for kitchen cabinets, wood on tropical island rot termites and a there little critters eat the wood,not PVC
Can this be used for lightweight cubby type cabinets for an enclosed trailer?
Great video. I'm looking for a light weight alternative to plywood decking for my enclosed car trailer. Would this be strong enough for that application?
I guess they did not answer
@@richardhenry371 Answer is probably "NO"
did you not see they guy standing on it?
@@richardhenry371, they don’t respond.
Will this work for house roof decking?
How do you fiberglass over the panel? Does the fiberglass on it have laminating resin or does it need to ground before adding glass overtop?
It should be lightly sanded before laminating over it
I need some 10 foot long for my second floor balcony deck. Will this hold up in bad weather?
How could you incorporate this in to a transom just to hold a 50hp 4 stroke motor
Wish it was available here in Okinawa, Japan.
I would like to try that one
If I build a deck out of the honeycomb, can I glass over it to make it blend to the boat itself. Doing a skiff and I want the front and back deck to be level with the top of the boat.
Absolutely, most customers who buy these panels for deck repair do that.
How is boat hardware such as a console or T Top attached to this if I am replacing the deck core with it ?
almost imposable to keep paint on it. Special glues required to adhere to it . Have to be careful bolting fixtures to it. It will crush. If uv get into unprotected edges. They crumble.
Yes Sir, our honeycomb is compatible with both resins and thousands of boat bulkheads have been successfully built with our core material.
I am looking to build a sleeping platform at the back of my first. I’ve seen people use plywood to level the sleeping surface. Will your product work just as well while reducing the weight? If so, Which type should I buy? Thank you very much in advance.
@@gevorgnazaryan8720 Absolutely, if you call our office, we could run calculations, that depend on how you support the panel, but typically, 25 mm, or 1" panel should work fine for what you do.
Hello I am looking for some sort of flexible sheeting that isnt corplast but has similar characteristic to be able to flex and form an arch the long way with about 4 feet between the ends once bent..i am trying to build a bike towable camper..thanks any ideas are helpful make
on our website you will find flexible plastic honeycomb sheets, that should work for you
Hello from Argentina! O have a question, This honeycomb board can be used for a "boat deck" that goes down the floor? Instead of wood, because its an old boat and the structure that hold the floor is made of wood and it's all rotten. Thanks for the advice
Gaston,
Absolutely, boat deck is very common use for this product, hundreds of OEM builders use this construction method
I would like to use this on my pontoon boat I am rebuilding. How will it hold up and what is life expectancy? Can I get this in California?
Can you screw into this and how does the pullout strength compare
yes, but this needs a very specific answer, please contact our sales engineers through our website
how does it react to a gas spill if filling your tank and accidently over fill.
Hello,
Our honeycomb is made of copolymer polypropylene, one of the most chemically resistant materials available.
ok its lighter ... is it more cost effective ... as in same or lower price to the marine plywood lamination ...
No artificial lightweight engineered materials are ever lower price than wood. Lightweight no rot construction pays for itself over short period of ownership costs.
how it is attached to a wooden frame...... you can screw and countersink on wood.... can you screw and countersink on the composite panel. i will explain.... i am planning on making my own high top for a van. weight is an issue, but being easy to work with is important to me. i was going to build a frame.... then sheet it with quarter inch plywood then fiberglass over that. the roof of the van has to hold about 300 lbs of solar panels plus the weight of a maxx air fan and the hardware to hold it all up there. so i need structural stability . flex is NOT my friend. i figured i could do 2 or more layers of fiberglass to help as well as reinforce the corners with some woven roving or some other comparable item. if i could reduce the amount of lumber and still have rigidity it would lighten up the top considerably. however if the panel will "rip out" or "crush" when attached then it wont work.
Hello, easiest way to add stiffness is increase thickness of the panel, alternatively, reduce the free span of the panel by adding supports in the middlenof the span. Adhesive bonding and or sheetmetal screws are viable solutions to replace wood screws. To save all that weight you will need to do some extra work.
how can I get your product and not spend $250 on shipping? Near Charlotte NC
You should stand on the panel for the deflection test
Im thinking of building a truck.camper out of the ¾
Material. Would you know the insulation value? And would I be able to use any fiberglass resin to joim the panels?
R value is 3.3 per inch of thickness in vertical position and yes you can use resin to join them.
what type of plastic? Will it bond with fiberglass? Is it safe to cut with a laser (no pvc or epoxy)?
Skins are fiberglass and fiberglass bonds well to fiberglass. Top layer of honeycomb is polyester which bonds to fiberglass great.
@Carbon-Core Corp. If you use this in a cuddy cabin rebuild, do you have to encapsulate it with fiberglass? Or, is it waterproof as a stand alone?
it is already encapsulated, no need to encapsulate this, stand alone product is waterproof
How do I get in touch for a technical question? I need to build a thin piece think catamaran wing, as thin as possible. If I wanted to have a tube structure say 2" o.d. a little inside of the edges for structure and flexion control, how manipulatable is this product? I'm trying to re-work a sandwich composite over foam idead and am thinking about flex over a long edge on two sides of a very lightweight platform. Is there a way to bend it without compromising strength, would I need to cnc some pieces to sandwich around the metal to meet up with the two surface pieces kind of an intricate idea and this looks like it could reduce my weight substantially vs wood
Please check our website carbon-core.com for contact info and contact us directly
Do you have instructions on creating a curved surface using the plastic? Say a camper for bicycles. This will reduce the weight but not sure I can bend it without break it.
Hello, not easy to create a curved surface with this panel, probably should use unlaminated honeycomb in mold to create curved surface
Has carbon-core ever sold precut/finished edge product?
I love this stuff!
could you build a flying copy of the spruce goose out of it?
Cool! Thank you!
Can you build a swim grid out of the plastic panel to replace a teak swim grid?
Yes of course. Most OEM boats are built with plastic and not wood.
Please share a link to this product demonstrated here.
An eight of an inch 1/8" is .125", not about .200".
Hi, I am interested in these panels can I cut them with a jigsaw or a circular saw also is there some kind of bonding glue or epoxy that will permanently bond them,
And how do you order?
I’m building a camper trailer and like the rigidity and the weight these offer .
too late now - but reverse your circular saw blade for cutting plastics
Can i put these on a 53ft trailer
Honey comb will still need resin and a layer of glass on both sides for strength which will and some weight. You should notate that in your description. It will still be lighter than wood.
All our weight and calculations for our panel have the resin and glass weight already included. Honeycomb by itself without the glass and resin would weight only 13 # for 1" panel 4x8 size.
@@CarbonCoreCorp Hi what type of cloth is used on the laminated panels? and what is the weight of 1" panel 4x8 laminated?
found thisvideo whenI searched on aluninum honey comb
Is this product able to be cut down to size with a circular saw? I apologize if this sounds redundant, I'm just trying to figure how to apply it to my own needs. Thank you in advance!
Yes, all woodworking tools work fine with our material, it is more abrasive though
reverse your circular saw blade for cutting plastics ;)
What’s the best way to cut coroplast?
Should put foam within the cells of panel.
Is it possible to pick up an order to save on shipping cost?
yes
Can this material be used as an engine hatch? Mine presently is crazy heavy plywood. Thanks
Sure thing, common use for this material.
@@CarbonCoreCorp, what fasteners should you use for the hatch hinges?
Will 1/2" and 3/4" hold a #8 Screw ?
I went to see how much shipping would be.
It said shipping would be 195 dollars.
That was more than the two or three sheets I would need.
So sad.
I thought the light weight made shipping less.
Can I pick it up myself?
Where is it located?
You are welcome to pick up yourself or with your carrier, we are in Virginia, near Charlottesville.
@@CarbonCoreCorp I wish I could. I hope to go to Maryland in August, but unfortunately I have to have the floor down before then.
Maybe next time.
one test you skip is hitting with sledge hammer .When boat hit rock
Price comparison to plywood?
Hey you forgot to add the cost per board ?
Please check our website for pricing , different thicknesses , different prices
That is the kicker, Im betting it over $100 per sheet, which if you think about glassing all that isn't so bad I suppose depending on the "real cost" I want to build a small pilot house for my Whaler and this stuff looks perfect for that application personally.
@carboncore can you fibreglass over the panels for extra reinforcements and ensuring joints don’t leak?
@@tyrone5404 Yes Sir, it is very common practice,upon request we can pre sand the panels to 60 grit finish to aid in adhesion.
@@barryculloty2568 It is , but most of the cost of our panels is fiberglass cost. Whether we buy the material and make the lamination or you do it, either way, it costs about $100 per sheet to laminate both sides. The balance is the core cost and our labor. But you get perfect flat panels form us and save hours of labor..
Dude You rock!!! Great info. Can you line the cuts with something to avoid exposure to the honeycomb?
Thank you, and yes, depending on your application, aluminum extrusions work good, or one can rout out some HC and fill with putty, or thickened resin.
@@CarbonCoreCorp Can a poly glue work as well in a caulk tube like pl premium or something of the sort that one can still epoxy over or take poly resin over?
Can it even be applied in building a teardrop trailer too cut weight
For flat areas,like floors, absolutely. FOr curved areas consider our core that is scored and made flexible, without the lamination.
The main question I wanted answered was the price difference
How do you bend this stuff?? I want to make a hard top for our 1956 42" Matthews and need to keep it lightweight.
Christine,
Great question. You can score bottomside, perhaps every 6-8”.Regular circular saw set at 1/16” depth, fine tooth blade
@@CarbonCoreCorp Thanks so much!!
stitch and glue?
Where can we purchase it? Your website have no pricing. Yes it have information and data but why don't you have online ordering service?
our website, online ordering section and it has pricing there.