That employee was covering his ass. I have written many emails saying very much similar words. I.e. “Are you sure you want me to do that? “. “I will do that thing you ordered me to do.” Being specific about what it was they ordered me to do.
Exactly: "Hello (my manager) You have previously asked me to disable the safety device on this machine and leave it running contrary to the safety regulations by which we operate. I haven't informed the client, as you have directed, but I would like you to confirm with me in writing that this is what you wish me to do as your employee." Very rarely get told to actually do it past that point. Don't often even get a response. Odd...
@@jaydeleon8094 That is the simple answer, but sociologically it gives those without ethics a huge advantage over those with integrity... I view it as a problem to be solved though.
Lawyers are required to give relevant documents to their opposing lawyers in discovery. They're not required to not give irrelevant documents. They can lose their license if they don't give relevant documents and get caught so they use other tactics to hide them. They knew it was there and that's exactly why they gave all the additional documents to try to hide it.
@@thinveillifted "The problem with dumping documents on the other party is you have to know what's in them too" Show me on the doll where it says produce documents that don't exist.
I remember Susan Rice wrote herself a note after an Obama meeting pertaining to Trump, Russia, FBI, reminding herself how many times Barack said, "by the book". She failed to mention the book was Rules for Radicals.😅
@@bardigan1 in this case Trump wants to move the nation back to its Originalist constitutional roots...where as Obama...just like Bush believe the constitution is just a suggestion only to be used when it suits them.
@@fredpinczuk7352 At almost any other place you'd be right... but Valve pay their employees extraordinarily well (average salary for employees at Valve is over $1m, yes really) so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some generosity towards that legendary intern.
@@elund408 so true, that assistant GM would’ve been sacrificed if some other paper trail showed the destruction of evidence, so the Assistant GM covered themselves
If you are a low or mid level employee with knowledge of "professional liability", for your own safety, keep a journal in pen, and write descriptions of what is happening. You can say it is "time card invoice tracking". It will save your ass.
the managers did nit learn an important life lesson: if you are going to be sneaky and devious then you have to actually be sneaky and devious otherwise you are not being sneaky and devious.
Such hate in the comments for Gabe & Co. over someone not being outrageously rewarded for doing a trivial job! ...if he _wasn't_ rewarded. ..because WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT WAS SAID IN A SHORT VIDEO SEGMENT ABOUT A MORE IMPORTANT TOPIC. #smh
The reward is the paycheck, or the resume filler and reference. People who look at the money instead of the relationships and socioeconomic structures of Western culture are frankly not paying attention.
Two morons whom dont understand the extractive nature of said systems an how it has mostly failed all the other participants. Just remember we wont protect you idiots when the pjtch forks and torches come for you and were all good.
They called him "an intern, you know, a summer worker". At no point was he named. He got nothing. And here they are giving the lawyer the credit at the end of the video. Again, he got nothing.
Oh it's wild. Valve originally published HL2 with Sierra, which was then purchased by Vivendi. Vivendi started distributing HL2 in Korean cybercafes, which wasn't part of the publishing deal. Valve took them to court over it, just seeking for them to stop and then pay for Valve's legal fees. Vivendi then hit Valve with a TON of counter claims, if Valve lost they would have been unable to open Steam, they would have lost the Half Life IP rights, I mean this would have altered history as we know it in a major way. Crazy that it was all salvaged by 1 intern.
wasn't half life 2, it wasn't out yet. no, it was counter strike, right? @@jonpaul6948the vivendi case was before half life 2 came out, during most if not all of development.
Considering that intern "saved the whole company", assuming that's not a wild exaggeration (i.e. maybe he just helped them win one of a myriad of court cases that Valve encounters yearly) , he should have been rewarded handsomely for doing so.
This was very early in valves existence, over half-life stuff. Vivendi tried to sue them out of existence. The founder has been quoted saying it almost worked and valve was "all in" Of course, trying to destroy another company by out spending them legally rather than winning on the merits should probably be considered a form of theft, with criminal penalties.
While the abilities of AI are overstated, I can see it actually being quite useful data mining discovery documents highlighting stuff that might be interest and even identifying trends and networks.
@@jamesphillips2285 In theory, you would train the LLM to pay attention to certain case-related keywords, then run the documents through the LLM with some kind of an index code for the page. The AI would tell you it found something interesting on page 2637B. You'd go read it.
You really dont want an LLM within a mile of anything important. As a tool to help find stuff, it could be useful, but you're going to want to use double check it's work, because they're not remotely trustworthy. That doesn't mean people won't use it, or that it won't help. It might. But LLM summaries can very easily "hallucinate", and are not robust enough to actually know where they got stuff from.
@@LibertyMonk Not all "AI" is LLMs. The predictive text strength of LLMs would not be useful for this application. Even a classical neutral network might be sufficient because all you want to do is rank discovery documents in order of potential relevance so that a human being can review the ones most likely to be useful first.
@@LibertyMonkthe point is - the AI can find the areas to double check. It’s already being used to uncover scientific discoveries we didn’t realize we knew about, because two papers came to similar conclusions via different research paths but didn’t cite each other - we’ve been able to find previously unknown links between two separate research areas.
@@jayfisher3359yeah, that sounds like a CYA (cover your ass) email sent by somebody who just got told to do something blatantly illegal and they made it a matter of record that they were instructed to do the seemingly illegal act and so they made the order to do so be present in writing
that wasn't a goof, the court was demanding evidence off of his phone that would have been impossible for them to provide so they gave the entire phone. you believe propaganda lol.
I completely believe this. I worked in a Korean company for about 9 months. They ALWAYS confirm over email or company messenger. They are always trying to document to cover themselves. I would literally be sitting next to somebody and they would send me message about something. I would just look around the cubicle wall and be like, "hey, you can't just talk to me?" It appears in this case to have bit them in the arse rather than cover it.
Hey! I destroyed the documents you asked my to destroy and documented the destruction of the documents and now I am applying a little CYA by emailing you so that no one thinks it was MY idea.
Valve and a Korean company (KC) were engaged in a lawsuit over intellectual property. The first stage of a lawsuit is discovery, where both sides are required to give copies of all relevant documents to each other. In this case, since Valve was short on money, the KC also included many that were not relevant as well as being in Korean in hopes that Valve wouldn't be able to afford reading them all. However, Valve had an intern perfectly suited to this task. He found an explicit statement in the KC's documents that they, in violation of the rules for discovery, were deliberately destroying documents. This proof of bad faith won the lawsuit for Valve.
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It could read thousands of pages in a flash. But is it capable of understanding any of it enough to be able to parse and filter out specific information relevant to your interests? No. AI doesn't "understand" anything. It just recognises patterns.
@@aRandomFox00 Not so sure. I just asked Google AI about a government form because one item was confusing. It sure seemed to understand and gave me a perfect answer.
@@robertbrandywine If the task is clearly defined, the AI can easily do that. In your case, it was to translate the legal terms on a form into simplified language. But what if the task was something more abstract, where you just have a mountain of assorted unrelated junk and you don't even know what you're looking for? How do you tell the AI what to look for, what to ignore, etc. especially when you are aware that the other actor is being deliberately malicious?
For those in the USA, this demonstrates the power of DEI. Hopefully, the intern was a paid position otherwise you are only getting those from wealthy families for the most part, which is a tiny pool of talent.
Holy smokes! That’s a reach. The intern was probably the best qualified of his cohort. Why would you diminish his qualifications by calling him a DEI hire? To assume he got the job because of his ethnicity is the height of hubris.
The Context, summarised: Back when Valve was still a lot smaller than it is today, HL2 was being published by Sierra Entertainment. The latter would later get bought out by Vivendi, a korean company. At some point, Valve discovered that Vivendi had been distributing copies of HL2 to internet cafes for essentially free, which went against their publishing contract. Valve spoke to Vivendi about this. Vivendi, being a much larger company, told them to go eat sand -- they can do whatever they want and you can't do shit about it. But Gabe ain't no easy pushover, so he took them to court. In response, Vivendi spammed the absolute shit out of Valve with a mountain of frivolous countersuits. And then during the 1st phase of the court hearing when both parties are supposed to share all information relevant to the case, Vivendi pulled more bullshit by spamming Valve with an even larger mountain of junk documents many of which weren't even relevant. Like random crap ranging from lunch invoices to irrelevant email conversations. Worse still, it was ALL in Korean. It was a deliberate attempt at obfuscation, of course. They were betting on Valve not having the legal budget to hire translators and/or lawyers capable of sifting through all that crap. But Valve had one simple ace up their sleeve: They had an employee who was a native Korean speaker.
@pex3 he could be dead or they couldn't find him or he didn't want to be interviewed or literally any number of things. They only ever mention his first name so I bet he just didn't want to go that public. Otherwise I would bet they would love to talk all about " Andrew *****, the intern who saved valve from extinction using just his language skills alone."
He broke multiple laws, knowingly, daring them to do something. He committed acts they deem as terrorism in some cases. How can it be kidnapping? They arrested and charged him and he will probably spend a couple decades in a Korean prison because his actions has consequences.
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@@magonus195 Shouldn't it be the right man in the right place? (Don't edit it tho, or you will lose the pin)
@@burt591 It's a reference to G-man's monologue at the beginning of Half Life 2
@@Anax89 Oh! Thanks!
Note that he didn't check with the intern a third time. Valve's just that afraid of "three".
He asked him X amount of times
They promised to do the third check with the intern in a series of future episodes...
Except he did.
That employee was covering his ass. I have written many emails saying very much similar words. I.e. “Are you sure you want me to do that? “. “I will do that thing you ordered me to do.” Being specific about what it was they ordered me to do.
Exactly: "Hello (my manager) You have previously asked me to disable the safety device on this machine and leave it running contrary to the safety regulations by which we operate. I haven't informed the client, as you have directed, but I would like you to confirm with me in writing that this is what you wish me to do as your employee."
Very rarely get told to actually do it past that point. Don't often even get a response. Odd...
Yep... many companies just replace people that cover themselves that way.
@@TheRealMrBlackCatbetter than being on the hook for damages.
@@jaydeleon8094 That is the simple answer, but sociologically it gives those without ethics a huge advantage over those with integrity... I view it as a problem to be solved though.
@@TheRealMrBlackCat of course its a problem, but still you don't want to be on the hook
And the intern received a firm handshake as a reward for his work.
The problem with dumping documents on the other party is YOU have to know what's in them too.
Lawyers are required to give relevant documents to their opposing lawyers in discovery. They're not required to not give irrelevant documents. They can lose their license if they don't give relevant documents and get caught so they use other tactics to hide them.
They knew it was there and that's exactly why they gave all the additional documents to try to hide it.
@@bergiov lawyers aren't required to provide non-existent documents
@@thinveillifted good thing no one said that.
Phew!😱
@@bergiov the comment above you says the thing you say no one says
@@thinveillifted "The problem with dumping documents on the other party is you have to know what's in them too"
Show me on the doll where it says produce documents that don't exist.
The assistant manager just played the game of "I might be ordered to but it won't be my fault"
I remember Susan Rice wrote herself a note after an Obama meeting pertaining to Trump, Russia, FBI, reminding herself how many times Barack said, "by the book". She failed to mention the book was Rules for Radicals.😅
@@mattjewett4473 How does a radical change in government by Trump not qualify as the same?
@@bardigan1 in this case Trump wants to move the nation back to its Originalist constitutional roots...where as Obama...just like Bush believe the constitution is just a suggestion only to be used when it suits them.
I hope the Korean gentleman got a real nice bonus for that find.
Ya, right. Keep dreaming.
They tripled his salary! Too bad it was an unpaid internship 😂
@@fredpinczuk7352 At almost any other place you'd be right... but Valve pay their employees extraordinarily well (average salary for employees at Valve is over $1m, yes really) so I wouldn't be surprised if there was some generosity towards that legendary intern.
@@longleaf0 Then I Hope that I am 100% incorrect.
He got amazing head from Gabe Newell.
Rule One of destroying evidence: DO NOT Document the Destruction of Evidence!
Rule one when being set up as a scape goat, document like crazy.
@@elund408 so true, that assistant GM would’ve been sacrificed if some other paper trail showed the destruction of evidence, so the Assistant GM covered themselves
I am going to write that down, thats good
They just forgot to destroy the evidence of their destruction of evidence.
Sounds like the dude who wrote that email was covering his own ass big time, be damned if it brought the company down, but it wasn't his doing!
If you are a low or mid level employee with knowledge of "professional liability", for your own safety, keep a journal in pen, and write descriptions of what is happening. You can say it is "time card invoice tracking". It will save your ass.
Most all companies want loyalty, NOT integrity. These are unrelated terms for the corrupt.
I hope they offered the kid a decent job.
the managers did nit learn an important life lesson: if you are going to be sneaky and devious then you have to actually be sneaky and devious otherwise you are not being sneaky and devious.
I thought that as long as you wore a black cape and twirled your moustache they would edit it out in post?
Such hate in the comments for Gabe & Co. over someone not being outrageously rewarded for doing a trivial job!
...if he _wasn't_ rewarded.
..because WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING BEYOND WHAT WAS SAID IN A SHORT VIDEO SEGMENT ABOUT A MORE IMPORTANT TOPIC.
#smh
The reward is the paycheck, or the resume filler and reference.
People who look at the money instead of the relationships and socioeconomic structures of Western culture are frankly not paying attention.
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Two morons whom dont understand the extractive nature of said systems an how it has mostly failed all the other participants. Just remember we wont protect you idiots when the pjtch forks and torches come for you and were all good.
@@skachor money is a lot of people’s god.
I hope he got a permanent position or they at least hooked him up with a dang good job somewhere else.
I mean he got intern in Valve and probably gonna brag about this but sadly interns usually don't get paid :/
They called him "an intern, you know, a summer worker". At no point was he named. He got nothing. And here they are giving the lawyer the credit at the end of the video. Again, he got nothing.
Wow, this is interesting. I guess I could research what the hell they were talking about or what the case was.
But I probably won’t
Oh it's wild. Valve originally published HL2 with Sierra, which was then purchased by Vivendi. Vivendi started distributing HL2 in Korean cybercafes, which wasn't part of the publishing deal. Valve took them to court over it, just seeking for them to stop and then pay for Valve's legal fees. Vivendi then hit Valve with a TON of counter claims, if Valve lost they would have been unable to open Steam, they would have lost the Half Life IP rights, I mean this would have altered history as we know it in a major way. Crazy that it was all salvaged by 1 intern.
@@jonpaul6948Thanks. I thought it was about Valve the gaming company but wasn’t completely sure. Again thanks for making it clear
wasn't half life 2, it wasn't out yet. no, it was counter strike, right? @@jonpaul6948the vivendi case was before half life 2 came out, during most if not all of development.
@@jonpaul6948 Thanks, I thought this was about a valve in a car. Now I just need to Google and find out what HL2 means, and yes I live under a rock.
@@jonpaul6948 Once again one person saves our timeline from converging into 40k or Disney timelines.
Considering that intern "saved the whole company", assuming that's not a wild exaggeration (i.e. maybe he just helped them win one of a myriad of court cases that Valve encounters yearly) , he should have been rewarded handsomely for doing so.
This was very early in valves existence, over half-life stuff. Vivendi tried to sue them out of existence. The founder has been quoted saying it almost worked and valve was "all in"
Of course, trying to destroy another company by out spending them legally rather than winning on the merits should probably be considered a form of theft, with criminal penalties.
While the abilities of AI are overstated, I can see it actually being quite useful data mining discovery documents highlighting stuff that might be interest and even identifying trends and networks.
Except AI can't actually cite the source document.
@@jamesphillips2285 In theory, you would train the LLM to pay attention to certain case-related keywords, then run the documents through the LLM with some kind of an index code for the page. The AI would tell you it found something interesting on page 2637B. You'd go read it.
You really dont want an LLM within a mile of anything important. As a tool to help find stuff, it could be useful, but you're going to want to use double check it's work, because they're not remotely trustworthy.
That doesn't mean people won't use it, or that it won't help. It might. But LLM summaries can very easily "hallucinate", and are not robust enough to actually know where they got stuff from.
@@LibertyMonk Not all "AI" is LLMs. The predictive text strength of LLMs would not be useful for this application. Even a classical neutral network might be sufficient because all you want to do is rank discovery documents in order of potential relevance so that a human being can review the ones most likely to be useful first.
@@LibertyMonkthe point is - the AI can find the areas to double check. It’s already being used to uncover scientific discoveries we didn’t realize we knew about, because two papers came to similar conclusions via different research paths but didn’t cite each other - we’ve been able to find previously unknown links between two separate research areas.
lol. reminds me of the goof that Alex Jones's lawyers pulled
Had to be intentional.
@@jayfisher3359yeah, that sounds like a CYA (cover your ass) email sent by somebody who just got told to do something blatantly illegal and they made it a matter of record that they were instructed to do the seemingly illegal act and so they made the order to do so be present in writing
that wasn't a goof, the court was demanding evidence off of his phone that would have been impossible for them to provide so they gave the entire phone. you believe propaganda lol.
I completely believe this. I worked in a Korean company for about 9 months. They ALWAYS confirm over email or company messenger. They are always trying to document to cover themselves. I would literally be sitting next to somebody and they would send me message about something. I would just look around the cubicle wall and be like, "hey, you can't just talk to me?" It appears in this case to have bit them in the arse rather than cover it.
Still protecting the HL3 beta
Hey! I destroyed the documents you asked my to destroy and documented the destruction of the documents and now I am applying a little CYA by emailing you so that no one thinks it was MY idea.
That is why I don't use emails. Pigeons are the way to go.
Laughed so hard my belly hurts
It was bested recently with the Alex Jones case
2:19 just chilling on my boat
Valve, with a lot of money, handed this to an intern. When they could have hired 100 korean lawyers.
I have no idea what’s going on here
Valve and a Korean company (KC) were engaged in a lawsuit over intellectual property. The first stage of a lawsuit is discovery, where both sides are required to give copies of all relevant documents to each other. In this case, since Valve was short on money, the KC also included many that were not relevant as well as being in Korean in hopes that Valve wouldn't be able to afford reading them all. However, Valve had an intern perfectly suited to this task. He found an explicit statement in the KC's documents that they, in violation of the rules for discovery, were deliberately destroying documents. This proof of bad faith won the lawsuit for Valve.
The "korean company" is Vivendi
And the unpaid intern probably received a pat on the back and nothing more, despite saving what is now a $10B company.
They didn't get rich by writing checks
Yep. Telling that they couldn't be bothered to track them down for the interview.
Probably sued him
Summer associates at big law firms are paid very well and usually get offers from the firm they interned at.
@ billionaires still took advantage of them
and valve gave that intern 10 steam trading cards and a copy of Dota 2, he earnt it
Hope they offered the intern a job!!
Lazy lawsuits are a symptom
They didn't check with several professional translators before showing their hand?
And the intern got SFA.
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Those Koreans never heard of coding things in terms of "cheese pizza" and "hot dogs" huh
I wonder if the intern ended up being hired.
Now, couldn't AI read millions of pages documents very rapidly and find any nuggets?
It could read thousands of pages in a flash. But is it capable of understanding any of it enough to be able to parse and filter out specific information relevant to your interests? No.
AI doesn't "understand" anything. It just recognises patterns.
@@aRandomFox00 Not so sure. I just asked Google AI about a government form because one item was confusing. It sure seemed to understand and gave me a perfect answer.
@@robertbrandywine If the task is clearly defined, the AI can easily do that. In your case, it was to translate the legal terms on a form into simplified language.
But what if the task was something more abstract, where you just have a mountain of assorted unrelated junk and you don't even know what you're looking for? How do you tell the AI what to look for, what to ignore, etc. especially when you are aware that the other actor is being deliberately malicious?
For those in the USA, this demonstrates the power of DEI. Hopefully, the intern was a paid position otherwise you are only getting those from wealthy families for the most part, which is a tiny pool of talent.
Holy smokes!
That’s a reach.
The intern was probably the best qualified of his cohort. Why would you diminish his qualifications by calling him a DEI hire? To assume he got the job because of his ethnicity is the height of hubris.
This video lacks context.
The Context, summarised:
Back when Valve was still a lot smaller than it is today, HL2 was being published by Sierra Entertainment. The latter would later get bought out by Vivendi, a korean company.
At some point, Valve discovered that Vivendi had been distributing copies of HL2 to internet cafes for essentially free, which went against their publishing contract. Valve spoke to Vivendi about this. Vivendi, being a much larger company, told them to go eat sand -- they can do whatever they want and you can't do shit about it. But Gabe ain't no easy pushover, so he took them to court.
In response, Vivendi spammed the absolute shit out of Valve with a mountain of frivolous countersuits. And then during the 1st phase of the court hearing when both parties are supposed to share all information relevant to the case, Vivendi pulled more bullshit by spamming Valve with an even larger mountain of junk documents many of which weren't even relevant. Like random crap ranging from lunch invoices to irrelevant email conversations. Worse still, it was ALL in Korean.
It was a deliberate attempt at obfuscation, of course. They were betting on Valve not having the legal budget to hire translators and/or lawyers capable of sifting through all that crap.
But Valve had one simple ace up their sleeve: They had an employee who was a native Korean speaker.
@aRandomFox00 awesome!
"An intern". Not "Firstname Lastname". Guy has no name, apparently, thus shifting the "accomplishment" to these guys and the lawyer. Awesome.
when it comes to lawsuit details like this usually hiding people's names is due to legal reasons
I notice that they didn't hire the free to them intern. Great company.
exactly where does it say they didn't hire him ???
Nor did they bother interviewing him for this
@pex3 he could be dead or they couldn't find him or he didn't want to be interviewed or literally any number of things. They only ever mention his first name so I bet he just didn't want to go that public. Otherwise I would bet they would love to talk all about " Andrew *****, the intern who saved valve from extinction using just his language skills alone."
@ Maybe? It's all speculation. Why not have a little disclaimer
@@wra1th075 "maybe" "i bet" "could be" "i would bet"
Just say you are making things up, kid.
I don’t believe a word of this…
There’s only one translator on the planet?? Sure….
They never needed another translator, they checked out the guy they hired and liked his credentials so trusted him.
Not too happy with Korea kidnapping Mr. Somali.
Based Korea.
He broke multiple laws, knowingly, daring them to do something. He committed acts they deem as terrorism in some cases. How can it be kidnapping? They arrested and charged him and he will probably spend a couple decades in a Korean prison because his actions has consequences.
i hope he goes to jail
You can't kidnap shit.
It gets flushed and floats out to the ocean.
FA and FO. He FA way too much in too many countries, eventually he was going to FO big time. Zero sympathy, the guy is just another internet idiot.