@@seanryan1606 No. But he did molest a national monument by kissing it on the cheek. That statue represented the sexual slaves that were used in the wars. So dude screwed up big time. And this ain't the first time he's done something like this. He also went to Japan and kept say "Hiroshima, Nagasaki". Like a chant. He even got kidnapped by Yakuza to apologize but it seems he didn't learn his lesson. He actually even got punched in Japan. And now he tried to do the same acts in Korea but now they are effectively blocking him from leaving Korea by trying to jump him whenever he is spotted. Yeah, that dude deserves all the hate he gets.
My sister has primary immune deficiency (meaning no functioning immune system), and I had no idea Ironmouse suffers with that as well, and it makes me so angry to see people attacking this person for trying to live a happy life in a way within their more limited ability to function in a conventional way safely. This person is literally hurting nobody and getting attacked for it - these people attacking Ironmouse are genuinely vile it's beyond disgusting
No matter who you are you’ll always have haters she’s just more known so there’s gonna be more hater she should Tuffin up it’s literally just random kids online
@@Felipe-mu6ul it is utterly unhelpful and insensitive to say things like that. Not everyone is equally in strong and weak spots. Toughen up is what my grandma would say when I had to visit clinics because I wasn't a fan of life. Yeah no sh¡t a shell would help but not everyone wants to be mentally prepared for defense and attacks constantly
In one interview Ironmouse did, she said the reason why she chose to be an anime girl rather than show her face is because she didn’t want people to see a sick girl hooked up to machines and feel sorry for her.
that's the reason why ironmouse is the only Vtuber I don't hate. ( what I hate mostly is they all do reaction videos but you lots of them have characters with no details or emotions so you can't see them react at all, so they mainly do a sniperwolf) I just don't watch them and don't send them hateful message.
@@saberruntv So... you don't watch vtubers because you don't know vtubers ? :) It's like fleshtubers, some do reactions, some do low value content and some do great stuff. Maybe not for you, and it's fine because each one their own taste, but some do great stuff.
@@saberruntvI'd like to point out that MANY vtubers do much more than just reaction content. I'm not saying you can't decide you don't like watching vtubers, but I hope you don't just assume everyone just does reaction content. I'm not trying to shit on Twitch but uh, most of the big independent vtubers who just do reaction content focus on Twitch, rather than RUclips.
Plus she has extreme anxiety. I remember her talking about having damn near anxiety/panic attacks after sending images of herself to her close friends. Actually streaming with her real face to thousands of strangers would be an unimaginably massive hurdle compared to that
This is how Nicholas annouces our relationship to the world? Well the cats out the bag now! ... You're a legend! Love you brother! Keep up the amazing work! ❤✊
Ironmouse is an incredible and entertaining person and she deserves only love. It doesn't make sense how these cockroaches can comment hate to someone they don't know. They're just trash. Mouse is kind and talented and deserves to win many awards for her efforts. I'd never heard of Kai until the Ironmouse drama. No disrespect to him at all. I'm just in a different circle of the Internet to whatever it is he does.
@@ranpo804 It's just like watching any other streamer, only the streamer has a sense of anonymity when behind an animated avatar, I could say the same for black female rappers, but I respect people's tastes.
@@ranpo804most vtubers has god-like singing voice. Not only that, they also has good voice acting and finally yeah they also do what other streamers do. That’s why people like them
@@ranpo804it's just a matte of preference. It is not at sll different from a normal twitch streamer. Vtubers interact eith the chat the same way a "flesh tuber" or a facecam streamer does. But vtubers get soo much more hate for it. And honestly vtubers are sctually the middle child of the entertainment industry. They get abused even by rheir own companies. Nijisanji is an exmaple. Not too long ago a vtuber's "fan" doxed her and tried to break into her house. They did it by putting an air tag in one of the gifts they sent to her. So yeah, shits fucked up for vtubers. A lor more then you think.
Thanks for reacting to this Nick, its been a big point of discussion in the vtuber community for the past few days, and Connor's a g for bringing more attention to the issue
27:16 if anyone misues this sentence in a malicious way against Nick, remember that Johnny Somali has terrorist charges for bomb threats in South Korea and it's not an *alleged* thing.
The reason people hate on vtubers is because they hate that someone can not show their face and make greater money than a regular 9 to 5. That's about it. In their eyes being a vtuber is a "super easy" way to make money where they can be the perfect person for everyone regardless of how they look. Instead of doing it themselves, they want people doing it to feel bad.
They only see the biggest Vtuber, there's alot small Vtuber can't even compete. Again nothing is that easy though, the reason why Vtuber so popular and can be that Big is because they can express their emotion more and can become unhinged as much as they like. Compare to using their real face I'm sure they feel embarrased to showing their unhinged side to entertaint their viewers. Using real face that mean ruining your Real life Image, so you can express your real emotion there. There's some introvert person that can't show their face because feel shy, and then they become a Vtuber now and had chance to become a streamer.
The same reason why people hate streamers and say that it's an easy "job". Now they shifted their focus on a smaller and weaker community. Absolutely pathetic. It's literally like a Naruto/Onepiece retards bashing each other while mangakas are a really good friends. Same here, Kai and Mouse were so supportive of each other but the parts of their communities who fights each other are just so dim
It reminds me when RUclips first became famous and boomers hated on youtubers because they "made easy money by doing nothing" and now people who are fans of youtubers are doing the same thing to a specific category
What's funny is that the amount of those people who have never seen their boss or their friends and only hear their voice and they won't be as much of a bitch about it
I swear it’s like the Patrick wallet ManRay meme -do you watch IronMouse? -no -do you know anything about her? -no -so you have no opinion on her? -no, she’s lazy and a cringe POS The human thought process is one of a kind
The internet made people forget " reality " . I bet if any hater could even dare to face off against a normal guy irl 😂 at max they'll start calling the guy p*do or a r****t sht but fail to even walk cuz their feets had never experienced movement lol .
People always hate on vtubers, calling it an easy bag yet not doing it??? Bullshit accusations and excuses they just jealous that people are actually having fun with their lives
Who’s people? How many people have you’ve genuinely met and even those haters online you think they keep on thinking about it after they type a comment?
Mike Tyson said it best - "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -Mike Tyson
Nick, I rarely write coments, but I want to say that u are cool. Thanks for your content and for being a self-aware person. My faith in humanity is restored.
Justice for Ironmouse 💜✨️💜 She is such a genuinely amazing person and deserves the best! As one of my favorite content creators thank you for taking time to talk about this important issue 🥺💜🥺
Bro, thanks for reacting to this and for your positivity. I'm a huge Ironmouse fan and i really appreciate your take on this. I'm gonna subscribe because you based af.
The funny thing is almost every single Vtuber I can think of is proven to be a girl/guy etc Especially indie vtubers most of them show their face they just often wear a mask some don’t. I just find it funny one of the most common reasons of hate I see is “oh they are probably a 40 year old with a voice changer” Like whattt please use your brain for one second 😂 Most indie vtubers have shown or had their face leaked and most vtubers with corporations like Hololive ans Vshojo it would make no sense for them to have a guy pretending to be an anime girl… cuz if they got found out for doing that then their entire company will crumble so fast cuz everyone will start to question them. Just makes no sense logically
Not to mention, good luck finding a voice changer that sounds THAT realistic (mind you, these accusations came years before AI voice changers). Those guys probably think Occam's Razor is a shaving brand.
Going along with this, maybe it's a hot take, but why the fuck would it even matter if they did end up being some 40 year old guy with a voice changer. It would not change the content they were/are making and the creators that I enjoy watching is because of their personality and what they actually do. Not solely because of their voice. Now I'm not saying Ironmouse or any other Vtubers are doing this, I just always thought it was a stupid ass statement to make to try and discredit them and their work.
@@Eighth-Eye And the thing is, historically, plenty of VAs have played animated characters that aren't their gender, including in Western cartoons (Bart from the Simpsons is one famous example). So I can only think of a couple reasons why someone would be bothered in this case in contrast to that, and neither are particularly great. Reason one, they have a hate boner against anything vaguely "weeb culture", which comes off, at best, as trying to police people's interests, and at worst as outright xenophobia. Reason two, they're gooners who are disturbed that the target of their lust isn't the "appropriate" gender. Either way, it honestly says more about the people making that "criticism", imo
@@Eighth-Eye I think it has more to do with being honest about who you are. I mean, there are plenty of VAs that play a character of the opposite gender, but their name is literally in the credits. They aren’t really pretending to be something they’re not. The whole “VTubers are actually 40-year old men with voice-changers thing” is probably based on a true event that happened years ago when VTubing was just starting to get big. There was a “female” VTuber in Japan that liked to tease people and act cute. They ended up joining Upd8, one of the first companies to actually make VTubing into a profit making enterprise. This made them even more popular thanks to the publicity a company can provide. Then, one day, there was a fault in their rigging. Their virtual avatar failed live on stream, and everyone learned that the whole time they had been led on by a 40-year old guy. It actually made the news on a few small sites. They weren’t famous enough for everyone to hear the story, but just enough sites covered it for the story to gain traction on the internet and for it to basically become cemented in the “internet mythos”, if you will. In any case, I don’t recall what happened to that guy. I think he’s still around just less popular since he basically committed the virtual equivalent of catfishing a bunch of people, and Upd8 went out of business in 2020. I just remember it because I read one of the articles written after it happened.
@@megalodon7916 I get that, deceiving people is bad, but i think you would also need to see case by case for what reason it was done. If he just did it cause gooner bait, then thats shitty behaviour. But some just might just be trans, so they "are" a man, but dont feel like it and for that reason use a female vtuber avatar. Some like zentraya wanna hide their identity completely and even if they were a man, then the simple way to put it would be, if you were a man and would want to disguise yourself the best you can, then why not swap genders
For ironmouse I remember watching a video a long time ago about her voice, the reason why her voice sounds like that was because of an infection? (My memory isn't the best it's been months since I've seen it) And it messed with her voice to the point where she couldn't talk for a year and the result of the infection is her current voice. (If anyone can tell me if I'm right or wrong please tell me it's been a while) But she can kinda use her normal voice when she sings, only problem is it puts a toll on her throat so she can't hold it for long, but it is beautiful, and she's an amazing person, and vtubers don't deserve the hate they are getting, much love to all Vtubers 🩷🖤
Not an infection but more of an actual disease. She has auto immune deficiency. So her immune system that would attack anything dangerous to her wellbeing is basically none existent. So she might die even from getting a cold because or even breathing in the wrong air. She used to have an oxygen machine attached to her all the time before but she's finally improving. So yeah. Her voice is still in a very bad shape so she csn only speak in a sweaky voice cuz it outs less of a strain on her throat then her normal voice would.
@@marco_the_taco Not exactly he was right as far as I remember it's actually a single really bad instance of those multiple infections she had, that made her lose her voice for one year, and altered it slightly. But she also said she always had a high-piched voice to begin with. So it's indirectly her auto immune deficiency yes, but (afaik) more directly that bad case of an infection that caused it. Apparently.
@xenotypos oh, ok. But no her voice wasn't that squeaky to begin with. We've seen how she sings and in some streams she have spoken in her "normal" voice. (I quote it because she uses her squeaky voice more than her normal voice). But thanks for the info.
The below commenters aren't exactly correct. 1. "auto immune deficiency" doesn't exist. Primary immune deficiency=lack of or weakened immune system, whereas an auto-immune disease implies too strong of one. There is no such thing as auto immune deficiency. 2. She had a MAC infection resulting in the damage that has given her the higher voice range. Most Mycobacterium infections aren't thing normal people can catch so they can be hard to diagnose, and hard to treat. The one mycobacterium most people are familiar with is the one that people DO catch which is tuberculosis. Also, I think her OG videos are shitty mics and stuff making it even squeakier sounding. So you largely had it right from memory!
One of the reasons for the hate is probably due to a lot of people only watch short clips of vtubers with cutesy voice and thinking that was cringe or something. Aside from the fact that not all big vtubers have that kind of voice, their conversation and entertaining skills tend to be as good as a typical big streamer. Also the fact, that some big vtubers managed to gain more viewers than a lot of normal streamers. The funny thing about this is that even the biggest vtuber agency now, Hololive, wasn't doing good early on. They persevered and eventually become what it is now. Meanwhile there are a ton of small vtubers & vtubers agencies out there struggling.
The funnier thing is that kai is not even the biggest streamer in the world. Ibai has more followers than Kai by 3m, and his peak viewers hit 3.8M while for Kai its just a bit above 700k.
@@clayparker9197 they're just making a point. Some people act like Kai is the biggest streamer in the world when he isn't, it's even discussed in this video
Why pick one of them? You can watch both Mousey and Connor at the same time, because they very frequently stream together. And their collab streams usually very fun =)
It is insanly frustrating too see this, I can't even imagine hating someone so much for no reason. Like I physically cant think of myself in a sinario like that.
another good example of people spreading blind hatred is when JaidenAnimations won Mr. Beast's 50 youtube challenge and once again it was Kai's fans hating on her just because she won. Hating on creators because they won something that your favorite creator didn't win should be a new form of parasocialness.
honestly, at first i kind of thought vtubing was kind of cringe, but once you actually ENTER the space you kind of begin to understand things. they are all just normal people who want to be "Seen" but do not want to be "visible". its like...voice acting. "but they do reveals and show off their real faces!" yeah but thats different, their BRANDING is still the vtuber. speaking of, a LOT of vtubers are actually extremely attractive people, its kind of a culture shock to realize that, people like numi or chibidoki seem like the ugly dorky type, but when you actually look at them, they are both REALLY attractive. its got nothing to do with looks or trying to be someone else. its entirely wanting to avoid your branding being about you as a person. or maybe they just like the idea of being a cute anime girl/boy. also most haters are probably just teenagers who think its cool to openly hate things they don't like and havent grown out of that phase yet. im not even being rude here, i think thats just the fact of whats going on. also people need to realize free speech is just the protection of your right to express your views on politics. it does not give you the right to be a dick. lmao.
@@Felipe-mu6ulyeah that's true but when they DO eventually find them, they never deviate from two things. "Cringe" or "why are you watching Vtubers??"
@@ChillsEditzz idk whenever I see some vtuber I cringe and I mean that literally hearing some women talk like some child like some bad English dub anime va just literally hurts 😭 there was one time where I was watching hallow knight guides and I see some japanese vtubers reaction to the banker stealing geo that was like that most adorable thing it was like a literal anime
The good think is she's japanese, and not the greatest one at english. And I've seen people speaking about Kai, but he seems to deal with american celebrities. I'm not even american, it's not my content.
Becoming Vtuber actually its great, separated your real life personality and your internet personality, so you can express your emotion more because using an avatar, and again you can live peacefully without people knowing you IRL and keep your image good IRL. Even some introvert person now had a chance to compete, when they normally feel shy on camera. Now they dont have to show their face and act as a character using Avatar. Its great compete. There reason why they can why Vtuber can become so popular even can compete with a big streamer that using their face, is because Vtuber they not feel shy to showing their true emotion and expressing their self more. And they can also act unhinged to entertaint their viewers, when you using your real face you will try to act cool, there's no way you act unhinged. Look Nicholast when he express his emotion more and act unhinged he get a lot of viewers right? Look at Speed, Kai they act unhinged they got alot of viewers. You will get less viewers if you trying to act cool, when you try to act cool you not entertain your viewers. So i can get it why they become so big and popular until the moment people hates it because they lose to them. Because viewers likes to watch someone who actually entertain them rather a person that try to act cool infront camera. 👌
I have a number of health issues, including heart failure and what seems to be early signs of Parkinson disease where im constantly moving and bobbing a lot. On a lot of meds for it. All the stuff I see pretty much convinced me not to even try content creation when I've already got enough to worry about without groups of assholes telling me to unalive myself constantly.
Me nervously watching a bunch of streamers react to iron mouse and vtubing only to be relieved when I hear stuff like “I love that, that’s awesome, I chose to watch vtubers” so thanks! The vtubing community appreciates it
I always thought of V-tubers as more engaging No Face channels. There are tons of faceless channels with millions of views and I think v-tubers just add something extra.
1:39 because of this logic discord got banned in my country. Well, actually twitter instagram and tiktok got banned too, but I don't care about those. So be afraid of your words.
if you get the chance i sincerely recomend you take an hour to listen her interview with the IDF podcast (imune deficiency foundation) to get a better understanding of how far she has crawled through hell to get where she is today. additionally its been fascinating to see how CVID affects her , as in a few months ago , she mentioned passivly she just heard a loud sneeze , 2 hours later she is coughing up a lung as if its a fully developed pneumonia (i wish she didnt have to deal with it but still in comparison that would take some one a few days to get to that stage from a cold) something more to note, with the weekly plasma infusions, her mandatory scheduled medications are so agressive and intense she has a medical port attached to her heart to inject the medications directly since the vains in her arms are so shot from all the injections early on in her life, also said medications are so intensive that shes had to get that medical port replaced several times and upgraded to the highest level of resistance, also shes got permanent lung damage and permanently on oxygen supply. but yet she keeps fighting with an iron will
Maybe I need to watch some ironmouse. I feel like she came out of nowhere ngl I didn't know she was that popular since the only content I watched was connor's videos with her
She's been around for a while. Like six years. Streams are tedious for me in general, but she does have a RUclips channel. Check her out there if you want a sampler.
43:33 This is pretty what Mouse said to her viewers while she was receiving hate from other communities. That she doesn't stand for toxicity and any viewers that choose to retaliate with hate and more toxicity towards those people and other creators are not one of her own and do not belong in her community. Her wishes were for viewers to simply say "Donate Plasma" if they felt the urge to respond to the hate. And lo and behold! You can easily spot people respecting her exact orders on all social media platforms. All the regulars in Mouse's chat have a shared understanding of what the expected code of conduct is, what the community stands for, see that enforced in chat and each do their part to uphold it. While Mouse might not be responsible for the actions of her viewers, she sure as hell has made necessary strides to curate a community that values compassion for others and shuns toxic behaviours. The incoming hate towards her is whack and one-sided as hell.
There are two reasons why I know Kai 1. A giveaway organised by Kai in NY got out of hand and blocked a street and a few people started vandalizing stuff, police had to escort Kai out and disperse the crowd. 2. He lost to Ironmouse in the streamer awards and the toxic part of his fan base harassing her. I am sure Kai "loves" his name in all the reactions next to people posting vile shit about other creators. Lets see if Kai addresses it, I would love if he got the list of banned twitch users (who are using his name to harass) from Ironmouse mods and banned them on his channel as well.
Honestly, Hatred should only be used on people who are criminals and very heinous and evil people, and ironmouse isn't one of them. its very sad and disgusting that ironmouse is being this hated on
Great reaction vid. I just worry a bit about being clipped during your sarcastic rants, but I think reasonable people would have enough brain cells to know that you were being sarcastic at those moments. You've shown your moral compass time and time again, and I think this is one of the top moments that show you're a good human being and Liv will have a fantastic life with you.
I am not interested in V tubers. I never really understood them, but there cannot be a reason to hate somebody just because they are trying to make off a living.
Whats crazy to me is that a lot of these people hating vtubers are also people who watch irl streamers. I'm sure a lot of them have tried explaining streamers to older people or others who aren't as into internet culture just to be told that it sounds weird or stupid, but then they turn around to do the exact same thing to vtubers. It feels like so many people nowadays are just incapable of understanding that people have a different perspective and lose it when someone else doesn't have theirs.
I don't like watching v-tubers but that's not the case , you can't keep hating on people who didn't hurt anyone and ruining their lives just because you don't like them or what they do
'Cringe' is an emotion YOU feel. If you feel cringe at something someone else is doing, particularly if they're doing something they enjoy that harms no one, then YOU are the one with insecurities.
I don't know most of the big content creators. I've only ever heard of Kai 2 different times. The first was when Kevin Hart showed up and picked up a replica Keyblade from Kingdom Hearts and a bunch of memes of "Kevin Hearts" popped up. The second time is in the video you're watching.
I've never been banned by a streamer before so I don't really know how they work but if I were in their position I'd absolutely advocate for some kind of cross ban system. If you get banned in this persons chat then you're banned in my chat as well. That would instantly put a stop to the hate trains people like to spread in the name of someone else.
35:32 This basically is what's going on between CaseOh and Usada Pekora, a Hololive VTuber, with both sides saying "who tf is that?" to the other as they were both nominated for the same CCotY award that Mouse won last year with both even being unaware of being nominated until informed. I get VTubers are not for everyone, but it's sad that "fans" get so heated because they can't cope with their favorite streamers losing to an anime png when the streamers themselves are cool with each other.
Connor is so fucking based. Glad, though not surprised, to see Nick agree with his points. It's genuinely ridiculous how the internet has gotten in recent years.
36:18 I didn't know kay until I heard about the drama with mousy. Full honesty. People need to understand that we all live in different internet bubbles fr fr
Connor did such a great thing sticking up for his best friend!! Also you’re right about the internet has made ppl comfortable. Like the famous quote by Mike Tyson goes “Social Media made y’all way too comfortable disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.”
The guy saying everyone knows Kai, well I exist to prove him wrong, I didn’t know Kai before all this hate from his fans towards Ironmouse, like Nick said other countries in the world exist not only USA 😂 and I can say that most people outside the American continent don’t know who Kai is 😂 and don't get me wrong I respect Kai, because he's a cool guy now that I do know him
Connor is a really cool guy. He started not knowing anything about vTubers, interviewed one on Trash Taste and then started watching them. Became friends with Ironmouse and even made his own Vtuber Bubi. Character development! His cyclothons are so good and wholesome!
I remember recently there was a trend of mocking this vtuber concert that was held, can't remember the vtubers name but there were a lot of rumors on tiktok that it was $40 to see a character moving around in a goofy way, and making fun of the people who attended. It's stupid because the vtuber behind it is actually very talented, and the concert was free if you had a pass to the event. I saw these videos flooding my feed and I don't interact with them at all, it's crazy how much misinformation is spread about vtubers to justify peoples hatred of them.
Brother, I just had to subscribe to both channels after this video. I already did it on my other account but I wanted to add another because you deserve it. I've watched your journey through the vtuber/anime/etc. rabbit hole from the beginning and at first, I worried you would be like "this shit is so cringe and anyone who likes it is garbage" or something... But in truth, you're one of the most sincere, engaging people I've seen reacting to stuff online. I especially loved your reactions to Calliope Mori's songs. 😅 Big respect for what a standup guy you are, and how cool your content is. Thank you for doing what you do. I don't know if you will even see this, but I hope you do, so you can see at least how much *I* appreciate you. 👊🏻
Sidenote: Before the Ironmouse issue kicked off, *I'd* never heard of Kai before...but nobody sees me posting shit about him. Never seen a single stream of his. But I still congratulate him for his success. Some people are assholes and deserve to be called out for their garbage. 🤷🏻♂️
Love this video love your view on this but they updated the terms on twitch which vtubers can't show side b**bs, inner b**bs, and feet (they ban swimsuit unless the background is a pool/beach but they have people in hot tubs on twitch all because they aren't vtubers so even the place they "work at" is hating on them and I heard they want real people to get rewards at twitch con or whatever it called
As far as the false accusations thing, that falls under slander if spoken or libel if written. It's a civil cause of action however meaning you have to put up some money to persue it, and you have to prove damages which can sometimes be difficult translating reputation damage to monetary compensation
100 percent agree with that, and have said it my self " don't like it..don't watch, bit don't bother giving me your opinion..cause I don't care" I'll decide for my self
I will always champion the callmecarson drama lol, absolutely ridiculous that they called a 19/20 year old a pdfile for dating a 17 year old. Please let’s all destroy twitter
I had no idea who kai was until he started being featured on drama like channels for his chat making guests uncomfortable, kids cussing on his stream or him being weird about his friends. i forgot all about him until this award thing happened, then i got a video clip of his chat was being gross towards a female massage therapist with the speech to text donations and she legit told him she was ending the session early because it was really disgusting and getting worse and worse each dono. kai has made 2 statements about this situation, he congratulated iron mouse for doing so, he respects her, and because of her charity stream, made him inspired to donate to medical charities for $500k. people with giant followings can go out and say they don't like that behavior, and don't want them to act like that, they unfortunately cant control them and they will do what they want. They have to set the boundary though to set that expectation so they think twice about sending hate like that. i honestly hope mouse and kai do a collab together, it would be hilarious.
At least most of the big massive v-tubers in hololive, vshojo they tend to be a character with like a story or lore based around them. So they have some form of immersion compared to other streamers that they try to uphold cause their JP fanbase it's just something they've enjoyed. I can see where people might feel like they're acting and being disgenuine towards their fans compared to the "honest" streamers like people would consider Caseoh or Kai cause they're honest about what they like or want. I mean there's content for everyone and if people don't like it well move along and enjoy the people you watch. But the hate gets fucking crazy cause people hide behind their profiles cause they know they can get away with the hateful bullshit.
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one little thing to mention only regarding to vtubing is that a lot of people can do it, even pros and something you can even see with Sonic, since they also got official VTuber models that they've been using for a while now both English and Japanese VAs can reprise their roles and maybe improv if they want with them and so many VAs are using Vtubers to also get closer to the community they are part of Vtubing is just fucking cool, man and the way you can be creative, is amazing and so many put so much work into their careers, that's something many don't even want to look at because anime = cringe i hate that so much and the fact more and more people are like this, is just so sad specially someone like mouse that has to endure so much with her condition, and she puts the effort to improve bet most of her haters might not have health issues but choose to do nothing much respect to mouse, always
So shameful that this type of thing happens. And the hilarious thing is that they can't take what they're dishing out. A perfect personal experience I've been through where the bully couldn't take the heat is when they posted a comment on one of my TikTok videos, basically saying "Bring Bullies Back." So in response, I said "alright, I'll play. You want to be relevant by being a bully? Better be ready to reap what you sew." Seconds later, he deleted his comment. More research into his profile and I uncovered a video of him saying "Be a friend to people." So I called him out again on said video, and boom, he blocked me. Long story short: if you're going to be hateful or rude, do it with your face. Don't run from it. You spent a minute or two typing out that comment? Leave it there. Show your pride 😂 If you can't handle getting the same treatment, don't start. Period.
27:17 "why are we sending hatred to ironmouse when johnnysomali exists" is the realest shit ever 😂
😂 true that. Some people are extremely jealous of successful people.
I don't know both lmao
@@seanryan1606 johnny somali is basically a terrorist streamer in korea, he is now on trial with possibly 31 years in jail
@@IVAN-jg3cy damm did he blow something up?
@@seanryan1606 No. But he did molest a national monument by kissing it on the cheek. That statue represented the sexual slaves that were used in the wars. So dude screwed up big time. And this ain't the first time he's done something like this. He also went to Japan and kept say "Hiroshima, Nagasaki". Like a chant. He even got kidnapped by Yakuza to apologize but it seems he didn't learn his lesson. He actually even got punched in Japan. And now he tried to do the same acts in Korea but now they are effectively blocking him from leaving Korea by trying to jump him whenever he is spotted. Yeah, that dude deserves all the hate he gets.
My sister has primary immune deficiency (meaning no functioning immune system), and I had no idea Ironmouse suffers with that as well, and it makes me so angry to see people attacking this person for trying to live a happy life in a way within their more limited ability to function in a conventional way safely. This person is literally hurting nobody and getting attacked for it - these people attacking Ironmouse are genuinely vile it's beyond disgusting
I wish your loved ones and yourself everything positive
@@darkexo3845 Thank you I really appreciate that ❤ We need more positivity on the internet
@Kleed44
No matter who you are you’ll always have haters she’s just more known so there’s gonna be more hater she should Tuffin up it’s literally just random kids online
@@Felipe-mu6ul it is utterly unhelpful and insensitive to say things like that. Not everyone is equally in strong and weak spots. Toughen up is what my grandma would say when I had to visit clinics because I wasn't a fan of life. Yeah no sh¡t a shell would help but not everyone wants to be mentally prepared for defense and attacks constantly
In one interview Ironmouse did, she said the reason why she chose to be an anime girl rather than show her face is because she didn’t want people to see a sick girl hooked up to machines and feel sorry for her.
that's the reason why ironmouse is the only Vtuber I don't hate. ( what I hate mostly is they all do reaction videos but you lots of them have characters with no details or emotions so you can't see them react at all, so they mainly do a sniperwolf) I just don't watch them and don't send them hateful message.
@@saberruntv So... you don't watch vtubers because you don't know vtubers ? :)
It's like fleshtubers, some do reactions, some do low value content and some do great stuff. Maybe not for you, and it's fine because each one their own taste, but some do great stuff.
@@saberruntvI'd like to point out that MANY vtubers do much more than just reaction content. I'm not saying you can't decide you don't like watching vtubers, but I hope you don't just assume everyone just does reaction content.
I'm not trying to shit on Twitch but uh, most of the big independent vtubers who just do reaction content focus on Twitch, rather than RUclips.
@@dalriada7554 now I watch vtubers, if I don't like them I just watch something else. if I like I watch. just the great majority aren't doing much.
Plus she has extreme anxiety. I remember her talking about having damn near anxiety/panic attacks after sending images of herself to her close friends. Actually streaming with her real face to thousands of strangers would be an unimaginably massive hurdle compared to that
This is how Nicholas annouces our relationship to the world? Well the cats out the bag now!
... You're a legend! Love you brother! Keep up the amazing work! ❤✊
Nick and GOT vtuber debut when?🎉
GOTgames the goat
The GOAT
Yooo GOTGames 💪🙏❤️
Yoooo GOATgames
"If you have hatred use it the right way" I'm using that quote thanks 🤣
Such a true statement however that’s a double edge sword.
Ironmouse is an incredible and entertaining person and she deserves only love. It doesn't make sense how these cockroaches can comment hate to someone they don't know. They're just trash. Mouse is kind and talented and deserves to win many awards for her efforts.
I'd never heard of Kai until the Ironmouse drama. No disrespect to him at all. I'm just in a different circle of the Internet to whatever it is he does.
honestly i dont get how people find it entertaining to watch vtubers
@@ranpo804 It's just like watching any other streamer, only the streamer has a sense of anonymity when behind an animated avatar, I could say the same for black female rappers, but I respect people's tastes.
@@ranpo804most vtubers has god-like singing voice. Not only that, they also has good voice acting and finally yeah they also do what other streamers do. That’s why people like them
@@ranpo804it's just a matte of preference. It is not at sll different from a normal twitch streamer. Vtubers interact eith the chat the same way a "flesh tuber" or a facecam streamer does. But vtubers get soo much more hate for it. And honestly vtubers are sctually the middle child of the entertainment industry. They get abused even by rheir own companies. Nijisanji is an exmaple. Not too long ago a vtuber's "fan" doxed her and tried to break into her house. They did it by putting an air tag in one of the gifts they sent to her. So yeah, shits fucked up for vtubers. A lor more then you think.
@@ranpo804People say the same about anime homie not that deep
My favorite vtuber, NicholasDark
ya right? I like how he made the forehead of his v tuber design soo big ,he must be very handsome person in real life RIGHT?
Thanks for reacting to this Nick, its been a big point of discussion in the vtuber community for the past few days, and Connor's a g for bringing more attention to the issue
27:16 if anyone misues this sentence in a malicious way against Nick, remember that Johnny Somali has terrorist charges for bomb threats in South Korea and it's not an *alleged* thing.
The reason people hate on vtubers is because they hate that someone can not show their face and make greater money than a regular 9 to 5. That's about it. In their eyes being a vtuber is a "super easy" way to make money where they can be the perfect person for everyone regardless of how they look. Instead of doing it themselves, they want people doing it to feel bad.
They only see the biggest Vtuber, there's alot small Vtuber can't even compete. Again nothing is that easy though, the reason why Vtuber so popular and can be that Big is because they can express their emotion more and can become unhinged as much as they like.
Compare to using their real face I'm sure they feel embarrased to showing their unhinged side to entertaint their viewers. Using real face that mean ruining your Real life Image, so you can express your real emotion there.
There's some introvert person that can't show their face because feel shy, and then they become a Vtuber now and had chance to become a streamer.
The same reason why people hate streamers and say that it's an easy "job". Now they shifted their focus on a smaller and weaker community. Absolutely pathetic. It's literally like a Naruto/Onepiece retards bashing each other while mangakas are a really good friends. Same here, Kai and Mouse were so supportive of each other but the parts of their communities who fights each other are just so dim
So true
It reminds me when RUclips first became famous and boomers hated on youtubers because they "made easy money by doing nothing" and now people who are fans of youtubers are doing the same thing to a specific category
What's funny is that the amount of those people who have never seen their boss or their friends and only hear their voice and they won't be as much of a bitch about it
I swear it’s like the Patrick wallet ManRay meme
-do you watch IronMouse?
-no
-do you know anything about her?
-no
-so you have no opinion on her?
-no, she’s lazy and a cringe POS
The human thought process is one of a kind
The internet made people forget " reality " . I bet if any hater could even dare to face off against a normal guy irl 😂 at max they'll start calling the guy p*do or a r****t sht but fail to even walk cuz their feets had never experienced movement lol .
Yep, I love ironmouse and I hate she gets hate along with other vtubers
People always hate on vtubers, calling it an easy bag yet not doing it??? Bullshit accusations and excuses they just jealous that people are actually having fun with their lives
Yeah they might be a bit cringe but shouldn’t be bullied
Who’s people? How many people have you’ve genuinely met and even those haters online you think they keep on thinking about it after they type a comment?
@@Felipe-mu6ul Sadly a lot
@@alucard.69 maaan i feel like it’s just depends on our algorithm ig I haven’t
@@Felipe-mu6ul you should try to stay on that algorithm. Vtuber hate is CRAZY. I really don't get it.
Unexpected but very welcome reaction. Seeing Conner on this channel is a positive surprise!
W collab
Mike Tyson said it best - "Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -Mike Tyson
Nick, I rarely write coments, but I want to say that u are cool. Thanks for your content and for being a self-aware person. My faith in humanity is restored.
Justice for Ironmouse 💜✨️💜 She is such a genuinely amazing person and deserves the best! As one of my favorite content creators thank you for taking time to talk about this important issue 🥺💜🥺
Bro, thanks for reacting to this and for your positivity. I'm a huge Ironmouse fan and i really appreciate your take on this. I'm gonna subscribe because you based af.
The funny thing is almost every single Vtuber I can think of is proven to be a girl/guy etc
Especially indie vtubers most of them show their face they just often wear a mask some don’t.
I just find it funny one of the most common reasons of hate I see is “oh they are probably a 40 year old with a voice changer”
Like whattt please use your brain for one second 😂
Most indie vtubers have shown or had their face leaked and most vtubers with corporations like Hololive ans Vshojo it would make no sense for them to have a guy pretending to be an anime girl… cuz if they got found out for doing that then their entire company will crumble so fast cuz everyone will start to question them. Just makes no sense logically
Not to mention, good luck finding a voice changer that sounds THAT realistic (mind you, these accusations came years before AI voice changers).
Those guys probably think Occam's Razor is a shaving brand.
Going along with this, maybe it's a hot take, but why the fuck would it even matter if they did end up being some 40 year old guy with a voice changer. It would not change the content they were/are making and the creators that I enjoy watching is because of their personality and what they actually do. Not solely because of their voice. Now I'm not saying Ironmouse or any other Vtubers are doing this, I just always thought it was a stupid ass statement to make to try and discredit them and their work.
@@Eighth-Eye And the thing is, historically, plenty of VAs have played animated characters that aren't their gender, including in Western cartoons (Bart from the Simpsons is one famous example). So I can only think of a couple reasons why someone would be bothered in this case in contrast to that, and neither are particularly great. Reason one, they have a hate boner against anything vaguely "weeb culture", which comes off, at best, as trying to police people's interests, and at worst as outright xenophobia. Reason two, they're gooners who are disturbed that the target of their lust isn't the "appropriate" gender.
Either way, it honestly says more about the people making that "criticism", imo
@@Eighth-Eye I think it has more to do with being honest about who you are. I mean, there are plenty of VAs that play a character of the opposite gender, but their name is literally in the credits. They aren’t really pretending to be something they’re not. The whole “VTubers are actually 40-year old men with voice-changers thing” is probably based on a true event that happened years ago when VTubing was just starting to get big. There was a “female” VTuber in Japan that liked to tease people and act cute. They ended up joining Upd8, one of the first companies to actually make VTubing into a profit making enterprise. This made them even more popular thanks to the publicity a company can provide. Then, one day, there was a fault in their rigging. Their virtual avatar failed live on stream, and everyone learned that the whole time they had been led on by a 40-year old guy. It actually made the news on a few small sites. They weren’t famous enough for everyone to hear the story, but just enough sites covered it for the story to gain traction on the internet and for it to basically become cemented in the “internet mythos”, if you will. In any case, I don’t recall what happened to that guy. I think he’s still around just less popular since he basically committed the virtual equivalent of catfishing a bunch of people, and Upd8 went out of business in 2020. I just remember it because I read one of the articles written after it happened.
@@megalodon7916 I get that, deceiving people is bad, but i think you would also need to see case by case for what reason it was done. If he just did it cause gooner bait, then thats shitty behaviour. But some just might just be trans, so they "are" a man, but dont feel like it and for that reason use a female vtuber avatar. Some like zentraya wanna hide their identity completely and even if they were a man, then the simple way to put it would be, if you were a man and would want to disguise yourself the best you can, then why not swap genders
For ironmouse I remember watching a video a long time ago about her voice, the reason why her voice sounds like that was because of an infection? (My memory isn't the best it's been months since I've seen it) And it messed with her voice to the point where she couldn't talk for a year and the result of the infection is her current voice. (If anyone can tell me if I'm right or wrong please tell me it's been a while) But she can kinda use her normal voice when she sings, only problem is it puts a toll on her throat so she can't hold it for long, but it is beautiful, and she's an amazing person, and vtubers don't deserve the hate they are getting, much love to all Vtubers 🩷🖤
Not an infection but more of an actual disease. She has auto immune deficiency. So her immune system that would attack anything dangerous to her wellbeing is basically none existent. So she might die even from getting a cold because or even breathing in the wrong air. She used to have an oxygen machine attached to her all the time before but she's finally improving. So yeah. Her voice is still in a very bad shape so she csn only speak in a sweaky voice cuz it outs less of a strain on her throat then her normal voice would.
@marco_the_taco thank you
@@marco_the_taco Not exactly he was right as far as I remember it's actually a single really bad instance of those multiple infections she had, that made her lose her voice for one year, and altered it slightly. But she also said she always had a high-piched voice to begin with.
So it's indirectly her auto immune deficiency yes, but (afaik) more directly that bad case of an infection that caused it. Apparently.
@xenotypos oh, ok. But no her voice wasn't that squeaky to begin with. We've seen how she sings and in some streams she have spoken in her "normal" voice. (I quote it because she uses her squeaky voice more than her normal voice). But thanks for the info.
The below commenters aren't exactly correct. 1. "auto immune deficiency" doesn't exist. Primary immune deficiency=lack of or weakened immune system, whereas an auto-immune disease implies too strong of one. There is no such thing as auto immune deficiency. 2. She had a MAC infection resulting in the damage that has given her the higher voice range. Most Mycobacterium infections aren't thing normal people can catch so they can be hard to diagnose, and hard to treat. The one mycobacterium most people are familiar with is the one that people DO catch which is tuberculosis. Also, I think her OG videos are shitty mics and stuff making it even squeakier sounding. So you largely had it right from memory!
One of the reasons for the hate is probably due to a lot of people only watch short clips of vtubers with cutesy voice and thinking that was cringe or something. Aside from the fact that not all big vtubers have that kind of voice, their conversation and entertaining skills tend to be as good as a typical big streamer.
Also the fact, that some big vtubers managed to gain more viewers than a lot of normal streamers. The funny thing about this is that even the biggest vtuber agency now, Hololive, wasn't doing good early on. They persevered and eventually become what it is now. Meanwhile there are a ton of small vtubers & vtubers agencies out there struggling.
and on top of that, there are more than enough rl streamers, that have more than enough cringe videos too.. so... the whole hate train is bs
The funnier thing is that kai is not even the biggest streamer in the world. Ibai has more followers than Kai by 3m, and his peak viewers hit 3.8M while for Kai its just a bit above 700k.
Get off your knees
@@clayparker9197You say on your knees in front of Kai
@@clayparker9197 they're just making a point. Some people act like Kai is the biggest streamer in the world when he isn't, it's even discussed in this video
Didn’t sidemen peak at 10mil and I show speed has gotten 1.5M peak viewers
I think Kai is the most famous in America Ibai is not really that well known in USA compared to Kai
You are a legend for reacting to this situation
I dont watch streams at all but I like Ironmouse and Conner, clips vids of their streams are funny and wholesome.
first time ive seen nick review anything about vtubers
"why are we sending hatred to ironmouse when johnnysomali exists" I subbed as soon as I heard that
"WE NEED A PLAGUE"
I Agree 😭🙏
Why pick one of them? You can watch both Mousey and Connor at the same time, because they very frequently stream together. And their collab streams usually very fun =)
It is insanly frustrating too see this, I can't even imagine hating someone so much for no reason. Like I physically cant think of myself in a sinario like that.
I like the chat section misunderstand your sarcasm 😂😂
Those are twitch chat warriors for ya
Typical bunch of bees on twitch
another good example of people spreading blind hatred is when JaidenAnimations won Mr. Beast's 50 youtube challenge and once again it was Kai's fans hating on her just because she won. Hating on creators because they won something that your favorite creator didn't win should be a new form of parasocialness.
honestly, at first i kind of thought vtubing was kind of cringe, but once you actually ENTER the space you kind of begin to understand things. they are all just normal people who want to be "Seen" but do not want to be "visible". its like...voice acting.
"but they do reveals and show off their real faces!" yeah but thats different, their BRANDING is still the vtuber. speaking of, a LOT of vtubers are actually extremely attractive people, its kind of a culture shock to realize that, people like numi or chibidoki seem like the ugly dorky type, but when you actually look at them, they are both REALLY attractive. its got nothing to do with looks or trying to be someone else. its entirely wanting to avoid your branding being about you as a person. or maybe they just like the idea of being a cute anime girl/boy.
also most haters are probably just teenagers who think its cool to openly hate things they don't like and havent grown out of that phase yet. im not even being rude here, i think thats just the fact of whats going on.
also people need to realize free speech is just the protection of your right to express your views on politics. it does not give you the right to be a dick. lmao.
Imma sub to ironmouse.. she deserves it.
You are a ray of sunshine. May you be granted 27 virgins in the near future 🙏
@@BiggieBungas what?
@@ChillsEditzz he saying he hopes he get some bitches (i think, he too smart for me)
@@BiggieBungasPause???
@MRSOMEAWE1 sorry. with people not going to church anymore I guess people don't know that blessing all too well😅
0:14 He's welsh, I believe. Also part Scottish.
Yep
Welsh indeed.
Believe me the hate vtubers recieve not only has bene way worse but is completely ridiculous
Who hates on vtubers ? Most regular people don’t even know they exist
@@Felipe-mu6ulyeah that's true but when they DO eventually find them, they never deviate from two things. "Cringe" or "why are you watching Vtubers??"
@@ChillsEditzz idk whenever I see some vtuber I cringe and I mean that literally hearing some women talk like some child like some bad English dub anime va just literally hurts 😭 there was one time where I was watching hallow knight guides and I see some japanese vtubers reaction to the banker stealing geo that was like that most adorable thing it was like a literal anime
@@Felipe-mu6ulyou need to touch some real grass
@@Felipe-mu6ul I saw your Replies in other comments and came to the conclusion that you are trolling, have a good day.
If Pekora wins the content creator of the year, I hope this won't happen to her. It's true, I have no clue who kai is and not everyone knows.
The good think is she's japanese, and not the greatest one at english.
And I've seen people speaking about Kai, but he seems to deal with american celebrities. I'm not even american, it's not my content.
If kai's audience is mostly kids, if he scolded them, they probably would have stopped
Also the reason why she has her distinct high pitched voice is due to damage from a severe through infection due to complications from her condition.
Becoming Vtuber actually its great, separated your real life personality and your internet personality, so you can express your emotion more because using an avatar, and again you can live peacefully without people knowing you IRL and keep your image good IRL.
Even some introvert person now had a chance to compete, when they normally feel shy on camera. Now they dont have to show their face and act as a character using Avatar. Its great compete.
There reason why they can why Vtuber can become so popular even can compete with a big streamer that using their face, is because Vtuber they not feel shy to showing their true emotion and expressing their self more. And they can also act unhinged to entertaint their viewers, when you using your real face you will try to act cool, there's no way you act unhinged.
Look Nicholast when he express his emotion more and act unhinged he get a lot of viewers right? Look at Speed, Kai they act unhinged they got alot of viewers. You will get less viewers if you trying to act cool, when you try to act cool you not entertain your viewers.
So i can get it why they become so big and popular until the moment people hates it because they lose to them. Because viewers likes to watch someone who actually entertain them rather a person that try to act cool infront camera. 👌
I have a number of health issues, including heart failure and what seems to be early signs of Parkinson disease where im constantly moving and bobbing a lot. On a lot of meds for it. All the stuff I see pretty much convinced me not to even try content creation when I've already got enough to worry about without groups of assholes telling me to unalive myself constantly.
Me nervously watching a bunch of streamers react to iron mouse and vtubing only to be relieved when I hear stuff like “I love that, that’s awesome, I chose to watch vtubers” so thanks! The vtubing community appreciates it
I always thought of V-tubers as more engaging No Face channels. There are tons of faceless channels with millions of views and I think v-tubers just add something extra.
Same. Or more interactive profile pics.
It’s cus it’s an anime girl or boy. It’ll never be accepted sadly
Clips gonna go hard from this reaction taken out of context. I already see it.
Trueee😂
9:01 15:21 What Nicholas always talks about
If you don't like it? Don't watch it Don't talk about it Don't think about it 👏👏
9:01 EXACTLY! People really need to hear this
Damn the v-tuber rabbit hole lead me here not sure who this guy is but damn had me laughing 😂
You should definitely watch more of Nicholas Light. He's a great anime and music reaction RUclipsr
@Syncphony oh I plan to, I didn't mean anything negative. I found him entertaining
Mad love to you reacting to this video
Nick is great but dear god his chat is so unbearable
1:39 because of this logic discord got banned in my country. Well, actually twitter instagram and tiktok got banned too, but I don't care about those. So be afraid of your words.
Are u from Russia?
@@d4rkrai831 Yes
if you get the chance i sincerely recomend you take an hour to listen her interview with the IDF podcast (imune deficiency foundation) to get a better understanding of how far she has crawled through hell to get where she is today.
additionally its been fascinating to see how CVID affects her , as in a few months ago , she mentioned passivly she just heard a loud sneeze , 2 hours later she is coughing up a lung as if its a fully developed pneumonia (i wish she didnt have to deal with it but still in comparison that would take some one a few days to get to that stage from a cold)
something more to note, with the weekly plasma infusions, her mandatory scheduled medications are so agressive and intense she has a medical port attached to her heart to inject the medications directly since the vains in her arms are so shot from all the injections early on in her life, also said medications are so intensive that shes had to get that medical port replaced several times and upgraded to the highest level of resistance, also shes got permanent lung damage and permanently on oxygen supply.
but yet she keeps fighting with an iron will
If you don't like it, stop watching. The End.
Why make it difficult?? She's working as a Vtuber, not a beggar in the streets. Come on
Maybe I need to watch some ironmouse. I feel like she came out of nowhere ngl I didn't know she was that popular since the only content I watched was connor's videos with her
She's been around for a while. Like six years. Streams are tedious for me in general, but she does have a RUclips channel. Check her out there if you want a sampler.
She started streaming in 2017
43:33 This is pretty what Mouse said to her viewers while she was receiving hate from other communities. That she doesn't stand for toxicity and any viewers that choose to retaliate with hate and more toxicity towards those people and other creators are not one of her own and do not belong in her community.
Her wishes were for viewers to simply say "Donate Plasma" if they felt the urge to respond to the hate. And lo and behold! You can easily spot people respecting her exact orders on all social media platforms. All the regulars in Mouse's chat have a shared understanding of what the expected code of conduct is, what the community stands for, see that enforced in chat and each do their part to uphold it.
While Mouse might not be responsible for the actions of her viewers, she sure as hell has made necessary strides to curate a community that values compassion for others and shuns toxic behaviours. The incoming hate towards her is whack and one-sided as hell.
There are two reasons why I know Kai
1. A giveaway organised by Kai in NY got out of hand and blocked a street and a few people started vandalizing stuff, police had to escort Kai out and disperse the crowd.
2. He lost to Ironmouse in the streamer awards and the toxic part of his fan base harassing her.
I am sure Kai "loves" his name in all the reactions next to people posting vile shit about other creators.
Lets see if Kai addresses it, I would love if he got the list of banned twitch users (who are using his name to harass) from Ironmouse mods and banned them on his channel as well.
Honestly, Hatred should only be used on people who are criminals and very heinous and evil people, and ironmouse isn't one of them. its very sad and disgusting that ironmouse is being this hated on
Great reaction vid. I just worry a bit about being clipped during your sarcastic rants, but I think reasonable people would have enough brain cells to know that you were being sarcastic at those moments. You've shown your moral compass time and time again, and I think this is one of the top moments that show you're a good human being and Liv will have a fantastic life with you.
It's a shame how much people try to attack Vtubers and Ironmouse just to make themselves feel better
Imagine a time when a 3-4 year old toddler hates you on social media just because you make fun of Cocomelon. It is not impossible
"Don't send hatred towards that creator" and then that crazy stare from nick had me rolling.
I am not interested in V tubers. I never really understood them, but there cannot be a reason to hate somebody just because they are trying to make off a living.
hey man i dont remember when i started watching your youtube videos but this one really makes me happy that i did, i couldn't agree more with you
36:24 fr tho even my own mother didn’t know what a Pokéball was or even that it was related to Pokémon
Whats crazy to me is that a lot of these people hating vtubers are also people who watch irl streamers. I'm sure a lot of them have tried explaining streamers to older people or others who aren't as into internet culture just to be told that it sounds weird or stupid, but then they turn around to do the exact same thing to vtubers. It feels like so many people nowadays are just incapable of understanding that people have a different perspective and lose it when someone else doesn't have theirs.
It would be nice if more creators made vtuber models of themselves just for fun and collabs with other vtubers.
I don't like watching v-tubers but that's not the case , you can't keep hating on people who didn't hurt anyone and ruining their lives just because you don't like them or what they do
'Cringe' is an emotion YOU feel. If you feel cringe at something someone else is doing, particularly if they're doing something they enjoy that harms no one, then YOU are the one with insecurities.
I don't know most of the big content creators. I've only ever heard of Kai 2 different times. The first was when Kevin Hart showed up and picked up a replica Keyblade from Kingdom Hearts and a bunch of memes of "Kevin Hearts" popped up. The second time is in the video you're watching.
I've never been banned by a streamer before so I don't really know how they work but if I were in their position I'd absolutely advocate for some kind of cross ban system. If you get banned in this persons chat then you're banned in my chat as well. That would instantly put a stop to the hate trains people like to spread in the name of someone else.
35:32 This basically is what's going on between CaseOh and Usada Pekora, a Hololive VTuber, with both sides saying "who tf is that?" to the other as they were both nominated for the same CCotY award that Mouse won last year with both even being unaware of being nominated until informed.
I get VTubers are not for everyone, but it's sad that "fans" get so heated because they can't cope with their favorite streamers losing to an anime png when the streamers themselves are cool with each other.
I already liked your videos and with this one Ive gained so much respect for you as a person as well.
Connor is so fucking based. Glad, though not surprised, to see Nick agree with his points. It's genuinely ridiculous how the internet has gotten in recent years.
36:18 I didn't know kay until I heard about the drama with mousy. Full honesty. People need to understand that we all live in different internet bubbles fr fr
me too I'm sick i can't walk and i can't live me home i feel so lonely
"If you have hatred, use it the right way!"
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Connor did such a great thing sticking up for his best friend!! Also you’re right about the internet has made ppl comfortable. Like the famous quote by Mike Tyson goes “Social Media made y’all way too comfortable disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it.”
The guy saying everyone knows Kai, well I exist to prove him wrong, I didn’t know Kai before all this hate from his fans towards Ironmouse, like Nick said other countries in the world exist not only USA 😂 and I can say that most people outside the American continent don’t know who Kai is 😂 and don't get me wrong I respect Kai, because he's a cool guy now that I do know him
Connor is a really cool guy. He started not knowing anything about vTubers, interviewed one on Trash Taste and then started watching them. Became friends with Ironmouse and even made his own Vtuber Bubi. Character development! His cyclothons are so good and wholesome!
I remember recently there was a trend of mocking this vtuber concert that was held, can't remember the vtubers name but there were a lot of rumors on tiktok that it was $40 to see a character moving around in a goofy way, and making fun of the people who attended. It's stupid because the vtuber behind it is actually very talented, and the concert was free if you had a pass to the event. I saw these videos flooding my feed and I don't interact with them at all, it's crazy how much misinformation is spread about vtubers to justify peoples hatred of them.
I’m voting Pekora for Game Awards 2024 just to make people mad
not popular take: You can hate your worst enemy but still respect them, for respect is a set of procedures and not a feeling
Brother, I just had to subscribe to both channels after this video. I already did it on my other account but I wanted to add another because you deserve it.
I've watched your journey through the vtuber/anime/etc. rabbit hole from the beginning and at first, I worried you would be like "this shit is so cringe and anyone who likes it is garbage" or something... But in truth, you're one of the most sincere, engaging people I've seen reacting to stuff online.
I especially loved your reactions to Calliope Mori's songs. 😅
Big respect for what a standup guy you are, and how cool your content is. Thank you for doing what you do.
I don't know if you will even see this, but I hope you do, so you can see at least how much *I* appreciate you.
👊🏻
Sidenote: Before the Ironmouse issue kicked off, *I'd* never heard of Kai before...but nobody sees me posting shit about him. Never seen a single stream of his. But I still congratulate him for his success.
Some people are assholes and deserve to be called out for their garbage. 🤷🏻♂️
i'd want nick to be in the trash taste podcast, he'd be geeking so much\
I would love to see more shared ban lists between creators. Get banned in one chat, get banned in all chats.
Love this video love your view on this but they updated the terms on twitch which vtubers can't show side b**bs, inner b**bs, and feet (they ban swimsuit unless the background is a pool/beach but they have people in hot tubs on twitch all because they aren't vtubers so even the place they "work at" is hating on them and I heard they want real people to get rewards at twitch con or whatever it called
Mouse is such lovable chaos. She deserves all the love.
Not really a fan of vtube/vtubers, you know what i do? I don't watch them... This is just PATHETIC, I agree with Connor and Nick.
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As far as the false accusations thing, that falls under slander if spoken or libel if written. It's a civil cause of action however meaning you have to put up some money to persue it, and you have to prove damages which can sometimes be difficult translating reputation damage to monetary compensation
W nick for posting this reaction
I haven’t watched the video but I just know connor won’t be able to help himself and start generalizing instead of only calling out the toxic people
100 percent agree with that, and have said it my self " don't like it..don't watch, bit don't bother giving me your opinion..cause I don't care" I'll decide for my self
I will always champion the callmecarson drama lol, absolutely ridiculous that they called a 19/20 year old a pdfile for dating a 17 year old. Please let’s all destroy twitter
I had no idea who kai was until he started being featured on drama like channels for his chat making guests uncomfortable, kids cussing on his stream or him being weird about his friends.
i forgot all about him until this award thing happened, then i got a video clip of his chat was being gross towards a female massage therapist with the speech to text donations and she legit told him she was ending the session early because it was really disgusting and getting worse and worse each dono.
kai has made 2 statements about this situation, he congratulated iron mouse for doing so, he respects her, and because of her charity stream, made him inspired to donate to medical charities for $500k.
people with giant followings can go out and say they don't like that behavior, and don't want them to act like that, they unfortunately cant control them and they will do what they want. They have to set the boundary though to set that expectation so they think twice about sending hate like that.
i honestly hope mouse and kai do a collab together, it would be hilarious.
maybe listen to some songs from Mouse, that would be great
At least most of the big massive v-tubers in hololive, vshojo they tend to be a character with like a story or lore based around them. So they have some form of immersion compared to other streamers that they try to uphold cause their JP fanbase it's just something they've enjoyed. I can see where people might feel like they're acting and being disgenuine towards their fans compared to the "honest" streamers like people would consider Caseoh or Kai cause they're honest about what they like or want.
I mean there's content for everyone and if people don't like it well move along and enjoy the people you watch. But the hate gets fucking crazy cause people hide behind their profiles cause they know they can get away with the hateful bullshit.
Nick ngl you have earned my respect
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You are my big brother. Stay strong 💪
one little thing to mention only regarding to vtubing is that a lot of people can do it, even pros
and something you can even see with Sonic, since they also got official VTuber models that they've been using for a while now
both English and Japanese VAs can reprise their roles and maybe improv if they want with them
and so many VAs are using Vtubers to also get closer to the community they are part of
Vtubing is just fucking cool, man
and the way you can be creative, is amazing
and so many put so much work into their careers, that's something many don't even want to look at because anime = cringe
i hate that so much and the fact more and more people are like this, is just so sad
specially someone like mouse that has to endure so much with her condition, and she puts the effort to improve
bet most of her haters might not have health issues but choose to do nothing
much respect to mouse, always
So shameful that this type of thing happens. And the hilarious thing is that they can't take what they're dishing out. A perfect personal experience I've been through where the bully couldn't take the heat is when they posted a comment on one of my TikTok videos, basically saying "Bring Bullies Back."
So in response, I said "alright, I'll play. You want to be relevant by being a bully? Better be ready to reap what you sew." Seconds later, he deleted his comment.
More research into his profile and I uncovered a video of him saying "Be a friend to people." So I called him out again on said video, and boom, he blocked me.
Long story short: if you're going to be hateful or rude, do it with your face. Don't run from it. You spent a minute or two typing out that comment? Leave it there. Show your pride 😂
If you can't handle getting the same treatment, don't start. Period.
9:00 BASED LINE FROM THE MAN NICK LOVE THIS GUYS INFLUENCE FOR JAPENESE MEDIA AND ENTERTAINMENT KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK