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We want to know what to call the New Drift in Memory of my Pops ,so leave you comments below and also let us know what you think of our Washplant . We appreciate all of you for your support being there when I needed you . Thank you.
The Roy Drift
Pop's Patch
Pops wobble pop pit
Pops of gold mine
Pops Pickers
Pops Pride would be fitting name . He was a proud man ,you are a proud man
Great suggestion Frederick!
Name your dear father " Golden Papa or Golden Pops
I do agree with you
Think of you Jeff when I'm digging gold here in Oregon. I almost here you say "Let's Go" as I'm walking down to the creek. Sending blessings to you and family, may peace fall on all of you.
He doesn't say "Let's go". Jeff says "SO COME ON! LET'S GO!!!!!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Love me some Jeff Williams!!!!
Amen brother me too.
Just moved out here to the Portland area. Loving it. Happy hunting. Maybe one day I will see you around.
@@smokishonline yep your just 130 miles away. Southern Oregon is really fun getting gold. Eastern Oregon in Sumpter is another place we go alot.. I love living in the middle of Oregon here in Bend only 3 hours to the gold east or west.. Welcome to Oregon just be safe in Portland they all crazy 😜 over there
@@MrMT1313 Thanks so much for the info. Definitely look forward to exploring.
Jeff u are a hero to some. Not just because of the gold . Your integrity shines through. Keep on living the dream you have always dreamed
Your tribute to your beloved Dad, shows how much you loved, respected and enjoyed your time with him. It brings tears to my eyes. I miss my Dad who died December 14th, 2014., so I feel your pain, friend and fellow prospector.
Thank You
We could tell Jeff that it was difficult filming this episode. You’re a strong man and your father would be very proud of you. Take care you two.❤️
From how you talk about your dad, he must have been a real straight up guy! He raised a great man and I have no doubts that you won’t let him down running the mine! God Bless you and your family Jeff. Now show us what that mine can produce!
His dad is in a bunch of these videos
The wash plant is AWESOME!!
You never cease to encourage me to dig up my backyard just in case
Same...
In fact my sons have free reign with the shovels and some of our best times are out in the back digging holes just cause just in case
Thanks to these videos
Seriously!
Jeff to see you come back stronger than ever after what you have endured absolutely honors your fathers memory, and most importantly the man he must have been to raise the man you became. I FRICKEN LOVE YOUR CHANNEL JEFF!!
thank you
Huge shout out to Jeff. I don't think we realize just how much work it is to gold mine AND make RUclips videos. Thanks a million Jeff.
thanks Eric , yes it is a lot of fun
Your an inspiration Jeff to all of humanity not just gold miners and prospecters
Very sorry to hear about the passing of your father Jeff my thoughts an prayers for U an your family
thank you Larry
Wow Jeff. You and "the better half" did a great video tonight. When you dug Pops gold nugget out, your reaction and the time you took looking it over was a special moment for you. Your lack of words ironically said everything you were thinking and feeling that moment. I could bet my life savings that your pops was enjoying the view of that nugget from right over your shoulder, and how special was it that we got to see the wash plant in action like it was. That purdy woman of yours was workin' it like a BOSS. In the last vidja I commented if you thought you might do some time lapse video of your work cause of how much you get done that we don't always get to see which you said yes you may and you did right in this here vidja. Loving the content Jeff and you know your pops is to so keep it coming.
thanks Washman
Hey Mr. Jeff Williams, Christopher Jason Young here lol... Your a good, dear, friend of other people's, not me lol... You might ask WHY??? After 10 years you know why...! You find find all this gold and just give it away like... Like... Like... I forget lol... What are we talking about again? Oh yeah... I forget...
Let’s Go Pop Drift
Jeff your last video was so touching, I watched it with tears in my eyes. I couldn’t even type a comment.... I’m close to my dad and now I live in another state and I miss him. We talk at least three days a week, I’m sorry for your loss brother.
When I first started my new job, I’m a heavy equipment mechanic, we had to lift a hefty pump onto a machine,
One of my coworkers, says So come on... and we both said.. Let’s Gooooo!!! We knew what’s up!!
We became instant brothers, it still makes me smile to this day.
thank you Matt , thats great spend as much time with him as you can and love that story so you know what I am gonna say huh ......
I lost my father ,prior my 6th birth day!!! just because, my mother wasn't christian enough, , , & was too selfcentered, to feel the requisite respect for her sons, as to Honor her wedding vows, , , , religion. , , ,:FANTiCIES, , ,FOR FOOLS!!!! , , , therefore ;I profoundly, envy all other persons blessed with a quality, male, parental presence; in their formitive years/ throughout their lives Thankfully ,my genuine '49'er grand father whom had panned & sluced his way from the Yuba,river to the Yukon& located/profitably operated ,a hard-rock gold mine/mill enterprise in the Oro Blanco
area of southern Arizona, , taught me. fundamental geology/ minerology
& the fine art of gold panning using a "good 'ol' steel pan And a white enamal'd, metal,
dinner plate, ,!! 'th ' 'original '49'ers' prime placer mining implements external of the sluce, pick 'n' shovel, ,,I'm using, metal ,detectors now, that, at 71yoa, & a multiple CVA(stroke) surviver ,, , 'th' 'ol pick 'n' shovel, sluce/ dry washer gig has become excessively physically tedious, , ,limiting the energy, ,requisite for just hiking around, & nugget hunting, in 'th' hot ,desert, areas of NW Az. where I reside, , Jeff, ,thank you for sharing, your knowlege,
'n refreshing my time/CVA degraded memory, ,&presenting such a credible enjoyable
video series. , , , I intend to enjoy them more frequently!! GOOD FORTUNE TO YOU !!!
Love how you still manage to put in some metal with sic shredding at the end! Rest In Peace Pops, he’s legendary because he raised you to be legendary yourself Jeff 😃
thanks
My family sends their deepest heart felt condolences to you and your family in your loss . God bless and keep you in his loving embrace !
thank you William
@@Askjeffwilliams I'm sorry, I understand late that you have a big loss in your family.
I send you and your family my belated but sincere condolences.
P.S. I'm French speaking
Thank you Jeff! for all you do, I just lost my pops yesterday. He got me into Minerals and panning for gold as a child, been chasing it all my life. Thanks for helping me through this rough time. I feel ya.
really sorry to hear that ....you betcha my friend
@@Askjeffwilliams thanks for the reply, really means a lot, he really enjoyed watching the show with me and encouraged me to sign up for a mining ⛏️ trip with you, he loved your spirit and enthusiasm. I'm going to fulfill his wish to support you and when the time comes sign up for your mining adventure. His spirit lives on through us all. 🙏 Thanks for the kind words. We are blessed to have such awesome father's.
@@Askjeffwilliams Why do you think they call them Gold Veins ?
Because they are VEINS , as in Veins running through a Body , a Real Body
All you have to do to find Gold is to find a Giant , preferably a Giant a Few Miles High.
Why do you think they say................The Hills have Eyes ?
Because Earth is one Huge Giant Graveyard , Geology is actually Biology
Now i can hear your brain thinking this person is Nuts , Mad as a Hatter lol
History is Stranger than Fiction.
The Bible says ...................There were Giant's in those days and also after
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Jeff… you father never left here. He left something here. He left you. You’re only gone when you’re forgotten. You know he lives on inside of you. I’ve been watching you since day one here and always loved every single video. And what you became on this platform has been beyond incredible and now his spirit lives on in you for the extra strength. Jeff. Keep it up. You mean a lot to all us fans.
Jeff, The story about your fathers passing I can relate to. My son Chris lost his fight with Covid 19 in June this year. Age 49 leaving his wife and 5 kids to figure it all out. Just killed my wife and I. So sad.
I moved from California to NC 10 years ago. I planned to hit all the East Coast sights I have read about for years. My metal detector was tunes to get my share of the silver and gold doubloons on Florida's Treasure Coast as well as my share of the NC gold fields. Yup I was retired with all the time I needed to make all this happen. Then my back went out and 3 surgeries later I'm now pushing a wheelchair and have been for the past 6 years. Your videos as well as Forgotten and Abandoned Places have kept me sane. Thank you for all that you do. You have been a blessing to me. Sooooo Come on LETS GO!!!!!
The reason people like you so much Jeff, in my opinion, is because your one of us. A hard working , hard playin salt of the earth and you come across so well. If i was your Dad I would be so proud of you and Id know that everything was gonna be just fine with you doing all the good things you do. Heres to ya Jeff 🍺🍻👍🏻🏴🇺🇸
thanks , really appreciate that
Well, Jeff,,,,,,,,,, you said it yourself at 6:30 That should be called The Wobble Pop's Drift...
I do love that shiny GOLD! This treasure hunter know the true treasure is the journey, congrats on the gold!
thank you Jim
The reward is definitely in the journey. It’s all God’s gold anyway.
Jeff, ur a good dude. Words cant express how happy it made me when you pulled up pop's nug and - IT WAS A MONKER!!!! Thank you for all the time that you put into educating the public, the world needs more people like you. I bet the pride your father felt seeing you doin what you loved was somethin else.
Glad to see someone else talks to their metal detector. I’m sure your dad was very proud of you.
The wash plant is an absolute marvel and the idea that anyone with an old wheelbarrow and a scrap automobile could build one is genius. I really like your videos your a true inspiration and wish ya the best of luck as others have said the world could use more people like you!
thanks , really appreciate that
That's why we love you, Jeff!
Crazy the channels not at 10 million subs I love this channel
Hey brother. I’m so happy to see you getting better. I’m glad your old man got you into gold mining. My dad was worthless as a father. But he made me help with gold prospecting and that’s the only time he wasn’t being mean to me. I wouldn’t have kind your channel if it wasn’t for both our fathers.
So sorry about your Dad Jeff, your hearts are always together, nothing could ever take that away. The wash plant was incredibly well done. That windshield wiper motor is really pulling its weight huh? God bless! Stay joyful, be kind to yourself, and God will let you know everything is A ok.
thank you , really appreciate that
that's a nice clean-up set up. This is the kind of gold show i like , no fake drama , no script just 2 gold hunters going about it very successfully . great job.
thanks
You do your Dad proud mate, dig that gold like you have never dug before🍻🇦🇺
thank you BKP
Sorry for your loss that sure is a nice nugget want to call that drift the “wobble pop”
Dennis
You've got my vote. I think you nailed it!
Jeff,, iv got a suggestion for your gold monster!! It will make life so much easier in those confined spaces..
Remove 1 section of your gm’s shaft so it’s half the length then you will be able to see the control panel easily whilst in those tight spaces.
Makes things so much faster not having to deal with the extra length.
Next video you will be thanking me lol 🍻
Great idea .
thanks
Maybe a added switch for the speaker so you can "mute it" . that way you can leave it running, flick the switch and presto!
I lost my mother, mother in law, step mother, my two older brothers and my cousin, in last November. I felt so heart broken because covid and cancer wiped a quarter of my family out. The reason I started watching you Jeff is because you look so much like my brother. He was only 7 years older than I, and he passed away from covid and exactly a week later my mother passed. I just miss them all so much and me and my mother and brothers where very close. It's almost like a nightmare you can't awake from. My mother was a tough little lady and covid killed them. My mother inlaw passed also from covid. I try to keep myself busy but as you probably know it's hard early in the mornings or when your alone is when you think about them the most. Thank you so much for sharing your channeland life with us.
really sorry to hear that
Love that never ending prospecting spirit your Dad instilled into you !!. Thanks so much for all you share with us, your Pops must have had had a golden heart and it rubbed off on you......! Keep up the great content, we love watching you, glad you are back at it!
yes he did , thanks
Holy cow that is an awesome setup! My wife doesn’t like being out there, but she is super supportive of my hobby and loves seeing the gold lol. Good luck to you guys and thanks for the tour of the wash plant.
Jeff, your enthusiasm for everything you do is so contagious. I admire your knowledge of everything gold.
thanks
Awesome, we finally get to see the wash plant. Thanks for the glimpse of how you process all the fine gold. The POPs nugget was amazing!
You memorializing your father hits home for me. I lost my dad almost 5 years ago when I was 24.No matter how old you are it's always tough to loose a parent. But if you share a passion with said parent, it's easier to see that they're still here with us in one capacity or another when doing the activity we once did together.
thanks and exactly
I love you Brother! God Bless you and your Family with comfort! Your Pop’s is DEFINITELY PROUD OF YOU!! You have touched so many People’s lives and helped so many learn! It’s more valuable than Gold! You teach us everything we need for being successful in our endeavors! I found my first Gold because of what I learned from you about finding Gold in Creeks! I did what you said and I got some! Nothing big but it’s wonderful! I live in Washington State and I am a Fisherman in my Tribal Fishery. I got Blessed living here all my life with the Sea and the Mountains and Streams! I thank God every day for being born here and the ability to get out. I’m sorta limited I have Emphysema COPD but I don’t let it stop me I do need to take frequent breaks to catch my breath but I keep going. I have a wonderful Miss Baby for my Service Dog and she goes everywhere with me. She makes sure I’m safe 🐕 and my 23 year old Daughter is a Mountain Goat so she loves going for adventures with a bucket and a Gold Pan! ❤️🖖🏼🇺🇸
thank you Eric, really appreciate that and we love hearing that when people find there first Gold...... that sounds great ....love to hear that .....keep on living with them and make every moment count
Keep your chin up man, you're a pick me up for a lot of us so hope folks have returned the favor.
Jeff, You deserve every bit of Gold you find. Incredible operation.
You do your Dad and family proud as the man you are with the education and fun you bring to all of us. We appreciate all you do and think you should call the mine Pop's pride!
thank you John
"Pop's Pike" for the drift. That nugget is "Pop's Pebble"
Jeff, you're the man.
Big thanks to the Mrs. You are wonderful.
thanks
We love all your video's and all your hard work . God Bless you Jeff.
Nice wish we had gold in Arkansas, miss the days when living in Arizona
as mentioned on Patreon, I think it should be named: Pop's Bottom Drawer Drift, cause ya never know what you will find in there lol
That was a washplant to take notes on, absolutely awesome! Keep living dream Jeff, much respect.
Thanks so much!
This is the most I have seen you out of character.... we all love you man... and you have been an inspiration to my life. I promise the pain eases... and the gold just gets bigger. Pops is now the canary on your shoulder.💖💖
thanks
Great show and ausome wash plant well done Jeff and Roy I nominate pops golden gate for the drift name thanks for sharing see you on the next one👍🏻👊🏻
What a blessing you had such a good relationship with your "Pops," Jeff.
A man who aint afraid to get dirty, thats hard to find in this day n age Jeff, keep it up, your dad is proud.
It's hard what you had to go though, but we are here to help you get though it. The show must go on. I'm sure your pops would agree. I'll be here watching and learning. Thank you.🤗
thank you .
Jack Pops Drifter, btw! I am so happy to see you in good spirits again! Your videos are helping me and some others hopefully get our own drift mine going! Pretty sure we found a great spot and hope to find big gold like you! Thanks for all you do and your father is and always will be proud!
Get some! I ve been wanting to see this washplant for a while
As for your specimen gold, up there directly adjacent to the King Tut placer, I found some nuggets with my Dad using the Gold Buddy recirculating sluice. That whole area is full of CLAY, so most of the day was trying to break it up in the classifier, and raw hands the next day (protip: wear gloves). Anyway, found a couple of small nuggets in a quartz matrix and dropped them into a glass vial with water. Well what I thought was quartz dissolved in that water and the gold fell to the bottom, so I don't know if it was just held together by the silt and clay, or how quartz dissolved in water or what it really was (calcite??), but the takeaway is that you might not want to keep some specimens in water, assuming you do that.
As for that area, what we were seeing was little stringer "veins", or old placers maybe from when the Colorado got dammed and ran down through there eons ago, probably filling up Red Lake. They'd run for an inch or two, you'd find what I thought was quartz but it's some kind of transparent clear crystal, and gold nuggets. You probably know the property I'm talking about just to the left of the old placer mill along that ridgeline.
thanks for the info and yes we know that area well..... could be calcite or even Caliche
Great set up Jeff, Love your idea's you built in.
Again I am so sorry for your loss. Remember him often. The way our minds work the more times you remember him the more memories you will keep
I can't tell u how much u and your family have changed my whole way of thinking. But we need more people like u and your family in this world your just the best keep being you and nothing but great things will come thanks again
really glad to hear that Jake , thanks
The WobblePops'Rrr; Thats a fitting name! So Come on! Let go see what's in "The Wobble 'Pops'Rrr"!
Love “Pops nugget”
Jeff, you are living every small miners dream! Hard work though I’m sure!
thank you
Something Jeff said sounds like a good name. Wobble pops
As a backyard inventor, the use of a windscreen wiper motor with its associated speed and on/off controls was a great idea. I have a project that will benefit from that innovation. Well done.
I have always wanted to find gold. I understand hard work. Not afraid of it, but my life went in a different direction. I enjoy watching you enthusiasm and knowledge. Thank you for letting me live vicariously through your video!
you betcha Jay , glad we can do that for ya
Outstanding work Jeff! Amazing to see the clean up process!
Way to go on finding all those lumpy nuggets!
Hi Jeff, Great video!!! You really have setup an awesome mining operation! Lots of planning and hard work has gone into your gold nugget producing mine and wash plant - congratulations on your success! Looks like the new wash plant and hoist operator trainee is working out too - she's a keeper! Liked the commemoration of the first nugget found to Pops. We had the pleasure of meeting Pops at your 1st Meet and Greet Seminar in Las Vegas - He will be missed.
Thanks for keeping the dream alive! Take care my busy friend.
Hi Steve and Cecilia ,
thanks Steve, really appreciate that ....yes she is ...it was only fitting ..... yes he will ....you too my friend
Brother I am very sorry for your loss and at the same time proud of your work. Thank you for helping so many of us learn, grow, and accept the things in life.
Thank You
Your an awesome person Jeff. Just started watching love how you really know what your talking about. Just met my dad 2 months ago for the first time and I'm 57 yrs old. He's into this gold minning have been chasing it for 45 yrs and we just togather got invited on a huge mine in northern California and I'm pretty sure we have struck it. Pls help me make my dad's last few days come true.
thanks and thats pretty cool Doug ...you betcha
let's go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've waited awhile for this one.
Love the drift!!!👍⛏️
thanks
I really enjoyed this video, Jeff. So good to see you working in the mine with your beautiful wife. You make a good team and couple and that nugget was huuge and very fitting for a dedication, good good stuff!
You took the time to show gratitude and appreciation to all of your supporters your a 1 of a kind jeff
thanks
@@Askjeffwilliams its my pleasure jeff hey i have a technical question if I may im looking to purchase a claim in arizona right and theres quite a few and ive been wathcing your channel and chris ralph and maybe afew more to learn about how to go about checking to see if the ground is profitable but im still cloudy upstairs in the brain if you know what I mean in regards to the best way to check a claim before purchase to make sure the ground pays now I know much of these claim sale come with a report but I dont trust that report, how do you yourself go about figuring out if a claim your looking at has the yellow shiny in it
In the 1700's Spanish miners and Fransiscan priests like Escalantes used the term "Paso por aqui" followed by a date whenever they reached a significant point after a dangerous journey or meaningful place. They would etch it in stone if it was too last like the one in Northern Arizona from Escalante and Dominguez group 1776.
When you mentioned naming the drift after your father so that it includes "Pops" I thought "Pops Paso Por Aqui", or, PP-PA! Father passed this way, or came through here, would be the literal translation - but it carries deeper meaning, significant to a memory in time that was a powerful experience. You're father gave you many powerful experiences, which in turn gives us a taste of it through your guys videos, and you gave him many powerful experiences too.
Or:
_PopAu_ (poppa with gold's elemental name)
_PopAu Lode_
_Pops Motherlode_
_Pops El Dorado_
_Pops Paydirt_
_Pops Diggins_
But my favorite of all, which would also draw reference to you, his son -
*Pops Argonaut*, a term they used during the goldrush that meant a person in search of gold
No matter what though, that's gonna be a special Drift
*There should be a second title to this epic , Epic video and it be called- “from dad,with love - live the dream,so come on you go boy”*💙💙🙌👏🏻👏🏻
POP's Poke
The only name for the drift is " POP'S DRIFT"...
"For pops" I think that would be inspiring words for you to see every time you go down there. Nice and simple
Thanks again Jeff. Brought back some memories of my dad that I seem to have forgotten. Heavy hearts/heavy pans buddy...
thank you
Always a pleasure to watch a guy do what he truly loves. God Bless Brother!!
I’m all for naming a drift after your father!
Love Pops drift for evermore!
Jeff i miss my dad so much too🖤 , i wish for you lot power and you are a wery good person im shure your dad be pround of you. Greeting Frank form Bànffalva⛏⚒
I appreciate that
You should call it pops pocket. That was your guys's little pocket of the world an everlasting tribute to his greatness. Now it's up to you to carry on his legacy you are a direct representation of your father and you're doing him damn proud.
Jeff you two are very hard working miners!! I gotta hand it too you both!! Lila thank you. Jeff thank you. And special thanks to pops. I know hes watching over you guys.
thank you for that
I lost my dad when he fell on his back he got an anursm from his fall when it gave he passed away I will always remember the gold mining with him with his metal detectors what can I say?I love you man keep up your good work sorry for your loss
thank you Henry and sorry to hear that
Thank you for existing Jeff. 🙏
My pleasure!
Thank you for educating us properly on all that you know! You're very knowledgeable and you can tell that you're a humble genuine human being. Would love to come out and mine with you someday!!
I appreciate that!
Dan Hurd has personally bragged to me how his channel is # 1 in gold prospecting on You-tube BUT in reality your channel blows his out of the water by far.
Thanks
Jeff, So sorry to hear of your Dad's passing. Lost my Dad in 1991. Still miss him but it gets better so keep on digging. Best from Ft. Collins, CO
thank you and sorry to hear that , we will ....thanks
Jeff, you remind me of my Dad who passed away September of 2020. He was my best friend. There hadn't been one detail of my life that I didn't share with him. He was kind, compassionate, my biggest fan, my support, my best friend, my daddy-io poppy-o pally-o father-o daddy-o and the funniest person I've ever known. And you remind me of him. I know it's been a little while but Im so sorry your Pops is no longer physically here. No words can ever make the pain any less. I hope you find comfort in the idea of seeing him again one day, I know I do. What a glorious day that will be. 😭
thanks and sorry to hear that .... really appreciate those kind words
@@Askjeffwilliams My Dad used to tell me that I was going to catch The lahoonus lahoonus. The Lahoonus Lahoonus is this condition where everything you eat turns to sh*t. Now Idk how you feel about cursing but that’s funny stuff right there. Something tells me that with all the things I’ve noticed that you say and do, and of which has me thinking you remind me of him, I’ll bet you find that one funny. Happy days ahead to you, my friend!
I will always smash the like button for jeff!! He has so many admirable traits.
thanks John
Have you thought about using a dehumidifier down there? If nothing else use silica gel sewn in to little pouches in a thin, coarse cloth. Along with a fan to circulate the air through it. Its used it to keep bottles of pills dry, and people usr it in air compressors to remove moisture from the air. When it stops working, all you do is sit it in the sun. Or bake it at 225° F. Some has a color indicator. It changed color ehen wet then back when dry. Making a large curtain that can swing free, will also work. And id nail some 1x4's to the walls around the shaft, and hang plastic with a hole for the ladder. And or chute, to create a dry pocket, where the humidity is controlled. As you go deeper, take the gel dehumidifier with you and hang more plastic. It can make working conditions much more favorable!
Wow nice nuggets Jeff they make my mouth water sorry to hear about your pops I remember when my folks passed away sad times I feel for you brother thank you
Being so thankful and humble says a lot about you you dirty miner. 😌
That's cool that your wife works the plant with you and supports you. You are a lucky man.
Yes I am
My sincerest condolences for the loss of your father. May his memory forever be a Blessing to you and your family. His memory is worth more than all the gold on earth.
Thank you Michael for that . Exactly
That's an impressive rig you guys have put together - reflects having a LOT of experience in what you need to catch gold big and small. Glad to see you carrying on!!
thanks
Sorry about your loss Jeff, my condolences to you and ur family. Make him proud. And kick ass as usual.
Thank You
This fellow knows what he is doing for sure,this is fun watching
thanks Lorrie