It's not a RESTORATION! It's a NEW CAR!
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- Опубликовано: 1 мар 2022
- Restoration Design brought a NEW Porsche 356 Body to the All Porsche Swap Meet in Chino CA. The swap meet is hosted by the 356 Club of Southern California. This body was also at the LIT and Toy Show this year.
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• 65 Porsche 356
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There are only a few panels left of the original car in this restoration video, so is this one still a “real” speedster? ruclips.net/video/QakzhOElAtQ/видео.html
Of course it‘s a replica! Doesn‘t matter what it‘s made of, doesn‘t matter how precise it is: if it is not made by Porsche, it‘s always a replica!
Thing is, Porsche does not make cars. Never has. Neither has Ford, GM, PSA or any other company. Companies do not make things, human beings do, using their brains and hands. So why should I care if the humans who make this car are on a Porsche payroll or not? The work and it's results are equally real either way.
Hell, most of a "real" Porsche 356 wasn't even made by Porsche's employees! It was all outsourced, the main factory just took parts out of boxes and screwed them together.
@@kyle8952 Just you twist yourself in knots anymore?
It's only a hard question for those that like a car primarily because of it's value. For those of us that simply love to drive and appreciate cars, this would be as fun to drive as an original, regardless of value.
That's pretty neat!
I guess I would have to go with the majority here so far, it's a replica or recreation.
Doesn't matter, it is fantastic.
Thanks, and Woof to Walter.
For the enthusiast who wants a 356,it gives the opportunity to own something close to a original car. You also don't have to do a restoration either, it's also I assume in zincanneal to deter rust. Many parts are available, such as interior & trim. The driveline would take time to source and there isn't a infinate amount of gearbox, suspension,brakes, motors. The main issue is using a vin number to identify it? Can't be ever passed of as a real one, but it's a good thing to do as it also provides any panel to restore original cars. Possibly down the track a coupe would compliment it well. For a small specialised company Restoration Design have done a amazing job, including developing the tooling & stamping out parts!
Agree but as for driveline and parts, it's worth checking with Porsche itself. They have a very well-developed classic business and support many models with a very full back catalogue. Source: have bought many OEM parts for my 1989 from them.
Definitely a realistic replica of a classic but it is not in my opinion “real” made in Zuffenhausen PORSCHE. But I would definitely love to have one!
If I had only known...........a friend of mine back in the early seventies had about eight of these 356's in his back yard in East Dallas, he called them bathtub Porsches. He was always trying to get me to buy one. I thought $300 was too much.
I fell in love with the 356 body style back when the fiberglass kits became popular. Most of the older VW body pans are junk in the Rustbelt. I think the body you show would be good for someone that has a Porsche 356 that is roached out and would like to rebuild it. That body would be better for resale and show and stand apart from the fiberglass replicas.
i own a 1957 Porsche Speedster. I applaud RD for making all of these replacement parts for our old 356's. From the photos it appears to be quite an achievement. It is head and shoulders above the fiberglass cars. Yet, it is not a Porsche. It is a replica. If, as you mentioned, somebody puts an original chassis number plate and sells it off for a real one, the lawyers will have a field day. RD, good for you, but be careful what and who you sell to.
It's still a replica. Only a much better and precise replica. So maybe we could call it a recreation, like they do on some Jaguar E-types, to distinguish it from the many fiberglass VWs?
I really don't how precise it is. We are talking about scanning different cars and than making the templates. If they had the original drawings and dimensions then we can talk about "precise". Still a replica, but a precise one.
I think it’s a beautiful car, I can see you building one of those in the near future. Thanks for posting.
In 50 years time this will be a classic
Who knew of the deep philosophical conundrums in automotive interests, the existential implications? Is this car a Porsche? a Replica? A Recreation? This is not the first time in recent memory that a car has materialized out of the ether, and it makes me recall Guild Automotive's 1935 Bugatti Aerolithe or the mythical Ferrari 250 GT California currently under "re-creation"-what would that car have been without Ferris Bueller? People have been doing this with Cobras for decades and more recently Jaguar E-types. All are a marvel, but troubling just the same. Art is derivative, not imitative.
Maybe it's too many sci-fi movies about cloning gone wrong or my inner historian nagging me about the inability to ever truly know the past. If we live only in the moment, then this is amazing. However, as I note the testaments to the age of my 356, the pitted chrome on the door handles, the rubber washer fluid pump left of the clutch that might as well be made of concrete, the blown engine in 1964 that led to a dealer-installed S package, or even the scratch on the original-paint dash just right of the clock from my wife's new ring on the day of our wedding 25 years ago, the story seems to be lost in this tub and I don't know that a new story can be written on this one as it can be on the originals.
So do I want one? Absolutely.
Had as few old Porsches 356 B ..911s, Kremer 935 ....this to me is simply an amazing opportunity to drive a new remake of an old legend !...kudos !
Wow! Love it!
I think it is a recreation and a hard top version would be wonderful.
Interesting. Thanks for the video. 🇺🇸👍🏻
I think a real 356 is a car that was built between 1948 and 1965 by Porsche in Stuttgart, Germany. Everything else is technically and legally a replica, sorry.
Very high level, a true 'replica' like Pur Sang. Not a kit car like the others
Pedigree is everything. In this case it was built in Canada, not by Porsche and not in 1960. So it will and should never be considered a "real" 356. However, it is as close as you can get without having a real one.
This is great!
I was looking for an Outlaw 356. 30 to 50 is nothing. 70K.
I got a Bug.
I've been following their progress over the past half decade or so... While it's not a Porsche by any measure, it appears to be a very nice replica that can be outfitted with genuine parts. It goes back to the question about replacing boards on a ship... At what point is it no longer the old ship?
Or even more on classic airplanes. What’s left in some old DC-3’s for example, is the concept. Every single part has been swapped at some point throughout the years.
I think that so many of these types of cars are being produced over the automotive spectrum that a new term should be coined. Since some of these cars (the speedster but also mustangs, early fords and a host of british cars even the VW Kombi are indistingushable from the real cars maybe they should be called "Continuation" cars. This would differentiate them from replicas which are generally only having a near resemblance. Case in point there are currently 5 Messerschmidt 262 ww2 aeroplanes that were assigned a type number as welll as number which continued from the last production numbers. This was done with the blessing of the messerschmidt foundation.
Super Cool indeed. And I agree with those that think these are for the enthusiasts not some gold chain’r market watcher. But, as discussed…is there enough spares to finish the body shells they produce???
Thanks for sharing
JT: Orlando Florida
I read through the comments and I didn’t see any that were “wrong”.
Since it didn’t roll off the production line with the original, it has been replicated.
Being steel and so exact, it is not in the fiberglass/cut VW group.
Definitely a league if it’s own!
It is simply a matter of how an individual sees it compared to an original. It is only missing the history 😊.
Seems like you could have a turn-key version for 100-120k.
Pretty damn cool in my opinion!
Expensive replica, but amazing work.
I had a JPS Motorsports 356 Coupe built a few years ago and found that at weekend cruise in car shows most people appreciated it. However, the Porsche aficionados were highly critical of the car and would unabashedly call it a Kit Car.
Not all 356 replicas are VW based. The good ones use a factory designed and built steel frame, and can be outfitted with an air cooled four banger, a 911 six cylinder, or a Subaru four cylinder. The top ones - Intermeccanica, for example - sell for a lot more than $30-40 thousand. The fit and finish is superb, and they drive better than an original. And they don't rust...
If you have an accident and half of the car needs to be replace, will it be a replica ? If you need to replace the floors only with those exactly stamped like original panels , will you say the the car is original but with replica floors ?
Cars that are completely original, for example with all original paint, are always worth more than restored cars. So at some point you have to just admit there is a sliding scale. Completely original at one end and fiberglass thingys on VW pans at the other end. I guess depending on the rigidity of your mind you can choose your own place on the scale to differentiate between original, restored or replica. My first sports car was a '58 Speedster that I bought in 1968 for $1,700. I am still awed by the beauty of the design but, if fact, at any of the price ranges possible from the least credible replica to a perfect original I'd rather have a late model Cayman.
@@jjhpor agree , original ones will always be on top , but if you have only a serial number in your hand , this is a nice way to save the car with closest accurate panels. what should I do ? throw the serial number in the garbage ?😄
Yes. It's called truthful disclosure. Implying to a potential buyer that it is a super clean original Porsche and NOT disclosing it has a replacement floor pan is going to set you up for a court case. It would be considered fraud. Being truthful about it and the buyer still wants to pay $400,000, let him buy his somewhat blemished dream.
It means I can always afford a 356 eventually
if it's not an original it's a replica, a nice steel replica, probably better than a rusty soldered & bended original.
I personally think that if the reproduction body is exact and built to Porsche specifications and license by Porsche. I don't see where there should be a problem passing the restoration off as a genuine article.
I’ve seen almost perfect 356’s made from a few rusted fenders and with no floor pans and a VIN. There is a guy in Columbia, Tn that has all the exfactory bucks. He can latterly build a 356 Porsche from a VIN (Data plate). If you can’t come up with a VIN for a 356, you are SOL! You can’t make more 356’s than existed originally.
This is going to fall somewhere a bit below middle, depending on the quality of finish. Done very well I could see one fetching $90-100K. Metal is more authentic but it is also going to be a heavier car.
And it will tend to rust too, unless pampered.
It's a recreation or resto mod. This market is such a good idea. I'm doing a one off Ferrari like this too. The world is better off with these lovely things.
With new replicas from Vintage Speedsters and others starting at $55K with a year plus wait time, going this route at $100K or so doesn’t sound too crazy. It’s an Outlaw at best and can be built to suit with newer Porsche parts like Emory outlaws do. I’m sure some unscrupulous type will slap a vin on one from a “lost” speedster at some point and try to sell it as a restoration. Other than that type of build, I see no real issue except with purists who hate even poor restorations with incorrect trim or windshield wipers or badges - my real ‘57 Speedster and my replica ‘57 Coupe received the same amount of love for the design at car shows and when being fueled at the gas station (always a half hour task due to questions). People love to see them and tell their stories from their younger years seeing them on the road.
If you had an original and replaced every part as you went on restoring it, you basically have the Ship of Theseus situation. If your neighbour bought the exact same parts as you, and built their car, would he not have the same thing at the end of the day? It's really a philosophical question when a VIN is not involved.
Bring a trailer just had some replicas go for 70 to 80k. Brand new from vintage motorcars.
Wow!
And I've just picked my jaw up off the floor. This reminds of those 65-68 mustang new steel bodies you can get from Dynacorn. I'll never have "real" speedster money, and I would feel self-conscious driving a fiberglass VW drivetrain speedster replica...but this speedster with an actual Porsche engine & trans-this I would drive with my head held high.
That is a great outfit and it helps restore the original parts which are mostly “unobtanium”. Porsche should’ve kept manufacturing those parts.
If it was not built in a Porsche factory between the years of 1948-1965 is it not a really porsche. However the level of craftsmanship and detail that went into the build should be commended!
As beautiful as an original Speedster or the new build replica is, should you get hit in one you’re still SPAM in the can. Only 1/16 inch of metal between you and your maker.
PS - perfect PCH weekend cruiser, I want one!
Hi Jared! It's been awhile since I've seen any of your videos. Not from no interest but they haven't been coming to my RUclips subscription lineup. I did notice your vehicle in the lineup right away, i think I would notice that car anywhere. My favorite was the light blue convertible. I love cars with light colored exterior and that brown or tan interior. Anyway, thanks for sharing. I going to look at the build of the motorcycle engine car you completed. Catch up is what I really mean. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for letting me know you’re not seeing my videos, that’s good to know. Also thanks for watching 👍
Yes I would say it a real but some people would disagree it not all original But is look just like it came for the factory but I don’t think all the car are the same when they made maybe small different in the car. But you still have a real nice and enjoy it.
How would a person register a build like this in Cali?
That’s a very good question
It's a testament to porsche in understanding there are way more people out there willing to spend 20to 30 thousand for a great driver's car then the few who get to drive the cars they build now COMON you var companys get a clue !!!
Porsche might entertain a deal w/ RBD to start-up a Continuation biz for 356s. The market wants the cars, the chassis panels and the trained / skilled craftsman (needed to fulfill the dealer network's Classics Depts. a Continuation biz w/ an engineering / development facility could also develop an electric drivetrain kit for 356s (original & Continuation... even type 901 cars). complete interior packages could be another product line. I think all the "pieces" are on the market in some form or another.
much needed.......
When is this gathering? I’m local, I’d like to attend. Thanks
It happens once a year. It’s organized by the Porsche 356 club
The big question is are they unibody (monocoque) construction like the original 356 or a separate chassis and a frame like the rest of the replicas except with steel panels?
it's exactly the same as the original, the parts to make this body are sold to repair original vehicles
It's not so much the outer panels but the chassis itself I m concerned with,I once had an opportunity to drive a couple of real 356 s and first thing that struck me is how unbelievably taut and light it was, i ve also owned a karmann ghia and a 914 2.0 even they couldn't match it and a beetle based replica drove like a beetle, the difference between the two is like night and day, Wolfgang Porsche said that they could not built to the same quality as the 356 again due to it being cost prohibitive, anybody attempting this would ideally need to have the original blue prints and then porsche s know how, they probably just run a 3D gun and improvised but it's not gonna be possible to reproduce the same effect without a monocoque or a unibody construction and the video does not confirm either way but still full credit to them for trying to do justice to this marque but I m gonna reserve my opinion on this
This chassis is made exactly as an original 356 back in 1957. It is spot welded together in the unibody configuration.
@@RestorationDesign1 thank you for clarifying that, the video says you've scanned several real 356 s for templates which is good but a unibody construction has critical stress points like the sills/rockers, a,b,c posts, bulkhead/firewall etc, this is what gives it strength, rigidity and safety, can a scan produce or show how porsche originally built these components?, it's critical that these issues are addressed for crash safety as well as driving pleasure, judging by the fit and finish on your car it seems your prowess in fabrication is more then adequate anyway should any issues arise, full marks for the effort.
Porsche didn’t make the bodies so if it has a real drivetrain and all the other goodies I would say it’s between a replica and a recreation. It’s obviously not a real speedster but it will be the closest thing to that driving experience that you can get. I have been looking at this project for a while and am seriously thinking about going this route in the future. I’ve already got a 63 coupe and a 3.2 911 so having one of these speedster in a box with vintage parts to complete it would allow me to enjoy the experience without having to worry about wrecking it or paying insurance on a 300k+ real speedster.
Believe me; if you put one if these together after the effort and expense of making it as close to an original as possible you will be equally concerned about wrecking it as if it were an original. Many parts for these are “unobtanium”.
Hello what's the company name or website i would love to buy one
www.restoration-design.com/
If you have a rusted out hulk of a 356 this is good solution. Not as an investment but as a driver.
The cars that Porsche made during production are real. Any they decide to make right now, with original parts/tooling, are continuations. Anything made by anyone else, regardless of how, (or how good) are replicas. This is just parts for a really good replica. I’m not bashing it at all, and I think that for cars like this, that have reached a certain value, this type of replica really makes sense for a number of reasons. I’d have one, even if I had a real one too!
I would love a real one but cannot afford one. So these are the closest thing to an original but this is not a real porsche. A great replica/reproduction however and i'll have one!
There are companies in the United Kingdom that do the same thing with the classic Mini Cooper cars but the only difference is that they use the original tooling to make and assemble complete bodies. I still think they’re the real thing and let’s not forget about the MG vehicles as well.
Those are what we call heritage shells and are made using original tooling left behind by British Leyland, often using EX-Leyland employees
Fiberglass replicas are going for 45 and up new -
just make panels for original ones. done and done
They’ve been doing that for many years
You're buying a P356-358. The speedster you are yourself as owner. The way you take care of us porches, the way you hit the gas, the wayt you handle us defines the outcum
Lets see if VAG does a Patton infringement LAWSUIT.....if it was a VW BUS.....GAME ON.....Because VW of America would see it as a PAYCHECK.
If they can get Porsche’s blessing than they could be continuation cars like the cobra
Great idea to re-manufacture the shells of this pretty car. However, anyone thinking about a 356 should really see one on a race track.
They are really embarrassingly slow...even by period standards and even if driven by good drivers. This has nothing to do with engine power (reasonably good) but everything to do with the poor dynamics.
Pre-65 911s are also only a fraction faster than a MGB despite a 10% engine size advantage.
It can only be a replica, what else can it be that it wasn't made at the original factory? There are several replica cars sold as continuation models, but even though they're built on the original plans and even improved in a number of ways, they're still not the original. But that is not a bad thing at all, someone may have a car whose body is just too rusted out to be viable for restoration, but the rest of the driveline and original parts are still there, this would be perfect if they wanted a driver. Also it's a great choice for someone who doesn't want a VW based reproduction and sees the real value in a full metal car with all the proper suspension and running gear. With the price of some of the VW based repro cars I've seen, more investment in a better car is worth it, on top of that you end up with an actual 356 based car you can drive. Also since it's a reproduction, no harm in putting in a built non original engine and better electrical system since you're not ruining an original.
Unless built by Porsche, it's a replica. That said, a replica built from steel - all else being equal - is a truer replica. Because it's still a replica, most people may simply decide to purchase based on price and performance. There would likely be, however, a select few who would be willing to pay a 20K or 30K difference in price to have a close-to-original steel body for nostalgia. Of course, that would also come at the expense of performance due to weight.
All that notwithstanding, I would probably buy a kit and build one.
the market is stupid for the speedsters. I could see people buying the pan then doing some type of hot rod outlaw thing. 50k knocked down would be an ton to get assembled by someone with skill. I guess you would have north of 150k building that. if you have that buy a bad speedster.
I once got a brookville model a knocked down to save a few bucks and built it up but i can not imagine putting that together. Saved a couple grand on that but it was a model a so easy.
So the car in the vid was basically a rebody? Looked like some welding going on in the wheel wells. Enough original car left that it has a real vin?
No part of this car is from an original car. They made every single piece of it from scratch. There’s no Vin number.
The buyers of these cars get to decide with their wallets as to the authenticity and value.
Can't wait until someone buys one and LS swaps it.🤣
Purists will call it a replica. I'm not a purist, but if money weren't an object, I'd quite assuredly by this steel bodied car. Funny thing is that I'd be equally happy with steel or fiberglass. Either will be a blast to drive smiles per mile regardless of of the body material.
IMHO, it will be a great car, but it will not be nearly as valuable as an original, Porsche-made 356, because of the collectibility issue: Porsche made a finite number of 356 Speedsters, "and this ain't one of 'em". Still, if this body is fitted with otherwise "stock" grade parts (rather than a VW engine and chassis), it will be a very, very nice car, worth in the $100K range, I would guess.
Beautiful but even the very latest 356 is hardly a great car by today's standards. Even the 4-cam Carrera Speedster would barely do 0-60 in 9 seconds. Any decent Toyota SUV can easily beat that. In the 50s they used to say that Speedsters at the race track sent the spectators in the corners running. I had a '58 Speedster an loved it but today it has the same status, and price range, as a 1930s Duesenberg. Good for car shows and weekend trips to the picnic area but it is not credible for what it was created, as a performance car.
@@jjhpor You are surely correct: The 356's 0-60 time is no threat to current cars (exception: my '13 Prius: 0 to 60 in 10.1 seconds :(() On the other hand, though I have never driven a 356 (and likely never will), I understand (from JNH and others) they are a blast to drive; they handle extremely well and their light weight provides more zip (fun per pound?) than their meager horsepower might otherwise imply. Plus, the feel of a "pure" car, i.e., unburdened by the modern electronics and similar "baggage" of cars made today, has a great allure - to me anyway (which, sadly, outpaces my budget .....)
It's a replica. The only difference from a fiberglass body replica is this metal body. It did not come off the assembly line in Germany. It's a replica.
Imitation is the Highest form of Flattery. They should "ID" ALL CHASSIS"S APPROPRIATELY... like Force 5....
That is a Kit car......IMO. BUT I never liked fiberglass replicas because I dont like fiberglass. I could see building one of those though. probably worth between a original one and a fiberglass replica. I would say in the 100k to 200k mark. Depending on who was buying it and how well it was done. The Purist would never buy it The cheap guy would never own it. But there is a crowd that would like a metal car vs Fiberglass. I would put a FAT VW engine in it Like 2332 and a built trans. Dual carbs and RIP that sucker. A lot more fun than an original 356.
A replica, but probably better than an original..
It's a replica with possible trademark issues
Different descriptions for different cars ! When you go to Pebble Beach to see fully restored wrecks condition - like Bugattis, Hispano Suiza , or Avions voisins cars that worth millions $$ ... your never hear the words (RECREATIONS) or (REPLICA) ?
It wasn't built by Porsche.. so it can't be a Porsche. It's a replicar.. a very original looking replicar but not a Porsche..
Probably better than original since Porsche used low quality steel in the early days... they rust like crazy... Mercedes used better steel...
It's only as good as the VIN. Are all of the VINs accounted for or is this opening the door for survivors, barn finds etc?
Of course it's a replica even if every panel is exactly the same specs whether it be fitment, thickness or metallurgy. Sometimes copies, replicas or tributes are better and unless there's some improvement like corrosion resistance or more ridgid steel how could it be better or worse than a "real" one produced yesterday by Bob or 60 years ago by Hans.
Unless it was made in Germany by the Porsche factory it is a replica or tribute car. Nothing wrong with that but not the real thing.
I think a replacement body to high standards is better than a "restoration" of a rotten body, sure it is still a replica, but it will behave like new.
I love all your videos, but these bathtub cars are not a good looking car to me. Give me a 944 or a 928 any day.
I have a 944, love it, basically fixed almost everything on it, and I would trade for a 356 any time, anywhere!
Clone.
Replica
It’s a replica
No, it's not a "real" speedster. It's a reproduced and very good copy of the original. Only an unscrupulous builder or owner would try to scam a buyer into paying what an original Porsche 356 is worth. The repo copy will sell for what it cost to produce plus some profit, but only as long as there is demand for it. This is where the a-holes with big $$$ will try to make themselves richer by passing on a fake to a poorly educated buyer. The soap opera continues.
IT is NOT made by PORSCHE, and is actually an illegal Trademark infringement. I for one hope Porsche takes legal action using their name!!
We have not used the name once in advertising this car
It says right in the video “it’s a brand New Porsche Speedster “
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Why the hate? It helps save the original ones that are rust buckets.
No Hate, It's just disrespectful to call a Copy Cat recreation a brand new original is all.. Do you buy a $10 Copy of a Rolex on the street in NYC and then resell it as an original?? Anyway, just my opinion!
@@targabill I agree on that; I believe because of copyright infringement they cannot use the proprietary name. I wish they could partner with Porsche and be an authorized licensed provider. After all it looks like they’ve put in the hard work that Porsche should’ve put in the first place to preserve these automotive jewels.