But a Force-transference wouldn't be a copy of Palpatine - it would be Palpatine himself transferred into another body. It's like when you pour a full cup of water into an empty cup -- you don't clone the water, you just transfer it.
Can you imagine the arguments it would be like... I object I AM THE SENATE!!! NO I AM THE SENATE!!! ALL YOU ARE FOOLS I AM THE SENATE!!! (Gavel bangs) Calm down Palpatines. I AM THE SENATE!!!! ALL THOSE WHO AGREE SAY I AM THE SENATE!!! I AM THE SENATE!!! ALL THOSE OPPOSE SAY I AM THE SENATE!!! 1 Palpatine I AM THE SENATE!!! ITS TREASON THEN!!!
IMO he pretty much carried the entire prequals on his shoulders. And even though the OT means way more to me (nostalgic reasons mostly) I thought the not-deformed-yet Palpatine way more interesting than the Palpatine/Emperor when his cover was blown. His manipulation power was the the most interesting one to me.
Since after seeing TPM in '99, I've thought it would have been cool if Palpatine had cloned himself and had this clone serve the role of Chancellor Palpatine, while the true Palpatine hid in the shadows as The Sith Lord he is. Doing so would help account for the Jedi not being able to get a clear reading/feeling about the Chancellor.
@@rl00668 Yeah, the reason we love Palpatine as much as we do is because of how well he plays both sides with minimal effort. Adding clones to the mix would devalue his intelligence.
Sidious using Snoke as a conduit makes sense since he was obsessed with finding the new Vader. Kylo is a cool character,just he had so much potential,his arc is Better in the comics
Also note how Snoke likes to compare Kylo to Vader. He seems to personally know Vader and his capabilities. I doubt Luke taught Ben much about Vader, so the way Kylo reveres him must originate from Snoke telling him. There’s a good video of comparing most of Snoke and Sidious’s movie lines and it very much points to them being the same person.
If he isn’t a clone, I’m concerned about how they can finish the Skywalker Saga without nullifying Anakin’s sacrifice. If Palps survived, he essentially defeated Anakin. That would kinda demean the first 6 films. Anakin needs to return in Rise.
I love how you try to explain this in such an indepth and precise way when they themselves probably threw the entire trilogy together in five minutes lol
Disney has zero creativity, I bet Palpatine just kept himself alive through his hatred. Kylo will probably die in some cheesey way and Rey will one hit kill Palpatine.
@@bobbyz9052 Palpatine's return was an idea from Lucas himself, for the force awakens... Lucas was consulted and gave his agrement for Palpatine's return in the final épisode. So don't Say bullshits.
Disney doesn’t even know themselves. Just like Snoke. How do you not have an origin when the movie debuting him released in 2015. It’s been nearly 5 years. I still don’t know who that aborted fetus is. If his origin was released I want to know
In the trailer, it looked like Palpatine had some form of a machine hooked to him for life support so I think maybe he survived in Return of the Jedi but requires some form of life support but of course more advanced than Vader's.
You bring up great points about Kylo. Some people don't like him because he isn't as badass as Darth Vader, but Kylo being a failure is exactly why he is a great character. He's like Zuko from the Avatar: The Last Airbender in a sense. Even though he is on the dark side, you wan't to see him succeed so that he can be at peace with himself and to prove that you can achieve great things even if you don't live up to expectations at first and fail a great number of times. It ties in with what Yoda said about the greatest teacher is failure, so i'm hoping Kylo has learned enough to surprise us in ep 9.
That's because George Lucas said in the interview of StarLog Magazine that his vision of Star Wars doesn't have Palpatine gets clones of himself. I totally think that be very unlikely for Palpatine since he is strong Sith user that his master taught him to save himself and others from death. I don't think LucasFilms would use that concept after George Lucas left since George Lucas probably left some stuff in his notes to not put it in the canon timeline.
Maybe he did or he became immortal count dooku got his hands on Darth andeddus lightsaber crystal could be possible they acquired more Or he didn’t die on the Death Star he could have utilized the dark side to sustain his life force I mean Darth maul was decapitated and fell down the shaft and he survived for years leading to the clone wars as for suffocating in space I mean Leia was able to keep herself alive in space utilizing what I assume is the force and an imperial shuttle that was part of a plan could have found him and taken him away as part of a contingency or plan made in the event of the empires downfall
Well... He fell down the reactor shaft and not down some big trash shute like Maul. The Leia Mary Poppins act still annoys me, no build up and no sense behind it. If Palpatine was rescued by an imperial shuttle then he probably would have travelled to the next biggest imperial army unit and continue fighting the rebels.
You're also forgetting Jek 14 though. A clone of the Jango clone who was force sensitive and created by Count Dooku. The only reason the Sith clone army was scrapped was that Jek turned to the light side of the force, so logically the Jango clone base would always result in that outcome. But a clone of someone so pure of malice and evil as Palpatine may product more consistent results. And this may be legends material now, but Jek has recently been mentioned in the Canon novel Droidograohy.
I'm gonna go with cybernetics. That's the route he chose for his more powerful tools. If he needed something to overcome mortal injury, cybernetics seems to be his preference.
There were also 2 other force sensitive clones named X1 and X2 in the Battlefront Elite Squadron’s campaign mode. They were cloned from a jedi and served republic. Good one remained in the light side after events of ep3 other one remained with empire and became a Sith if i remember these info correctly. People rarely talk about them when they mention force sensitive clones. I think it was a cool story. Edit: There might be mistakes in the story because i played it years ago and i wrote this from memory
The Bohobemeister but you forget that there was a Sith Lord in Legends during the Old Republic that literally refused to die because of how strong his connection to the dark side of the force. However the more he came back from the dead the less conscious he was. I forget the sith lord’s name tho but you can look him up
Think that it is the same old we have seen in all of the movies. Because you know how he was thrown in to the collider and you know how snokes face is all messed up. Well we have never seen snokes full and maybe that is the reason why snoke is so tall because the collider changed how he looks. Plus if we all have paid attention to the movies and your videos it has been mentioned that he can preserve life. And maybe the reason why snoke looks that way is because he did it just a second to late and that’s why snoke was damaged and has the same plans as Palpatin. Thank you for reading this and hit the like
Makes tons of sense! Not sure if you’d agree but I really think it’s simple, Palpatine never died in ROTJ, he fell, we saw something that looked like an explosion but we never saw him actually die or being dead. I was NEVER convinced he was dead for all my life. I’ve been vocal about that for years long before I heard his laughter in the trailer. But now obviously more believing than ever that he just managed to survive that fall and faked his death all this time by hiding. I have no educated idea if how and why he did that exactly, just a simple man’s simple thoughts. I’d lmao if I happen to be right. And I’d think it’s a supercool plot twist. Sometimes things are more simple than most would expect.
Essentially Palpatine concealed his spirit into an artifact and transferred his soul. Same plot hole with Lord Voldemort making horcruxes to achieve immortality
I guarantee that the Emperor didn't die on the Second Death Star, so no clones. That explosion as he fell was him opening a rift in time of sorts, like the one we saw in Star Wars Rebels. JJ Abrams likes his time loops and this is how lazily likes to 'change' things in almost all of his stories. Heroes had it. Fringe had it. Star Trek reboot had it. I'm sure there's more, I just can't think of any off the top of my head atm.
I think that Palpatine will return in a complicated way: he HAVE a body vessel but it cannot work without his primal sith spirit from in which can exit the new body vessel while the body is flat and "switched off". It works similar to "astral form" from Dr. Strange. 7:36 - One thing to note here that is hidden: Every poster have a hodded character. Vll - Kylo Vlll - Luke lX - Palpatine Is that a hint for Palpatine existing within Luke and Kylo at the same time? Or is it a hint for him trying to manipulate both Luke and Kylo?
What if Rey is his clone? From the novels we know Palpatine had experiments going on Jakku. What if Rey is an escaped clone of Palpatine. And the memories she has were flash learned place holders til Palpatine transfered his essence over to that body? Just a thought
The number of Cloning experiments Vader did, it would be great if he cloned himself and transfered his consiousness into a clone of his. Since he's a force ghost, his clone could only got the dark side out of it. Thus making a good way to bring Hayden back.
They might also go with whats in the older novels. It explains that if a living force user has a clone of them self that the minds of the original and the clone send echos through the force at each other and will actually drive both of them insane. Thats why the jedi never used cloning to increase there numbers.
We all now a guard saved palps Palpatine wants Rey to fight kylo but kylo redeems This is not what we want to hear because we don’t like it but it’s the truth they are not going to do anything with the animation series or something only fans know because it’s still a company
Half the issues in the Skywalker saga came from the desire for immortality. Papatine clearly wanted to extend his own life, Anakin wanted to save Padme. For him to not try cloning would be a disconnect to the story, seeing as he (presumably) wanted to try and take control of Anakin as a vessal, what would have been any different if he'd just cloned him or himself? (Oh! And there's the Palpatine robot from Battlefront 2, Who's to say he didn't do something similar to that but with his actual brain?)
It's an imposter, he really died at the end of jedi unless he did a force protection bubble like Leia at the last second before death. Already past the no cloning idea. It's either an imposter, last min force protection Mary Poppins bubble, or possession or another living person who he later changes their face and body into his. The last one is like a horror movie explanation.
(who noes if this is cannon anymore or if im remembering correctly) What i read about in the lore, i took plagueis as more a scientist studying the force (he was pretty close to immortality hence why sidious killed him - he wasn't following the rule of 2) and how it can be manipulated to allow to them to conquer life. Tenebrous, plagueis's master, was also a type of sith scientist who had in fact been able to change his own midiclorians into another type of cell, one that allowed the force user to leave the body (among other things). Plagueis was already well into his research of forcing beings by the time the clone army was started (how many years before the clone wars was that? 20-40?) and assuming the time line is still correct plagueis didn't die till at least the first movie, then it is conceivable that they had working clones by the time palp needed them at the end of the 6th movie. The most powerful sith who had the deepest knowledge of the force + the best cloners in the galaxy would surely be able to create something usable. This is why sidious having clones in the expanded universe makes sense and is actually a super cool story, it continues a long story that isn't just lightning and swords. If the leaks are true then it's a big retcon.
I love how this video puts together a logic argument against Palpatine Cloning himself, backed up by reference material. Problem is that he assumes that JJ is A) Talented and B) Actually cares. Keep in mind the lore has already been pretty much destroyed by The Last Jedi. Now force users can force project and force teleport objects, as well as interact with real people as force ghosts. Also, hyperspace vehicles can now act as unstoppable weapons of mass destruction.
I mean, cloning would explain his comeback. No one's surviving a space station explosion AFTER a reactor core explosion AFTER falling into a reactor pit.
I love you're videos brother you do a wonderful job. I'm not going to spoil anything for anyone who cares about Episode 9. But that is not what happens in the up coming movies. I would rather see you're idea made into a full length movie that would be awesome. That would be Star Wars thanks for all you do.
But Palpatine cloned someone to be Snoke and Snoke had The Force. He could have done this with himself. Maybe the reason Snoke has all those scars on him is that the force warped him, but he has the the force.
What if Palpatine transfered his essence to the world between worlds? When he died his spirit traveled to a dimension beyond time and space and the Death Star II isn't even present, it's just a manifestation of his power, sort of like a Force nexus, something like IT'S house where it's only a manifestation of IT'S presence and that explains why he out lives balance, his presence is beyond timelines and once he gets freed after absorbing true power, he can rewrite the timeline and remove his death from existence, and Snoke, an old Imperial adviser who got his scars from fighting corrupt Imperials who tried to take over the Empire for themselves, he didn't have the Force initially, but after meeting Palpatine's spirit, Palpatine shared some of his powers and Snoke promised he would lead the First Order until someone with true power gets to Palpatine, but Snoke betrayed him and attempted to kill Rey instead of presenting her to Palpatine so he won't absorb her power, and then he's attempting to assassinate Kylo, but Palpatine was smarter, he used Force suggestion in Kylo's mind to give him the idea to trick Snoke, and then he blocked Snoke from sensing the lightsaber, so Palpatine killed Snoke, he also manipulated Rey out of deadly situations with Force suggestion where he would just tell her what moves to do so he could bring Rey and Kylo to him and drain their powers to become a Force God, so Rey and Kylo have to defeat him by using a ritual to access the Word Between Worlds and enter the cosmic Force, but once they're there, he's already stronger than them in the cosmic form but the Force Ghosts can interact with the cosmic plane so Anakin defeats Palpatine
While I would agree, it seems like that ship has sailed, there is Dr. Cylo to consider. He somehow kept transfering his conscious to a new body. Not I don't know how or if those bodies are "engineered", but considering his force-mimickers were bio-synthetic, I would think so would his bodies be... I also think Kylo Ren is stronger than you give him credit for, even if his Byronic hero is more Heathcliff than Frankenstein's Monster. It was mentioned in TLJ that Rey and Kylo Ren both have "Raw" stength and if you pay attention in his fight scenes, he has way more finesse than Rey. her fear and anger show more than his also. Kylo's biggest strength though is self control. Anakin often had fits of rage that he took out on others, Kylo had yet to really do anything extreme until he's in the AT-At at the end of TLJ where he "vader" choke-holds... But Kylo Ren could of killed Rey at various points if he really wanted to, but he doesn't, because his goal is about recruiting her, not killing her. We also have to remember that this story is setting the stage of an evolution in Force philosophy as Kylo (and Snoke) do not see themselves as Sith---we don't understand their reasoning in this alleged distinction or if Kylo Ren have been deceived there, but this is about these two (Rey, Kylo), evolving the force philosophy forward... Rey may be powerful, and while her struggle is different than Lukes, as he had trouble believing in the Force in order to use, Rey's problems stem out of not being certain of her own identity, not her ability to use the Force. Thus for her and this story, it's about what she uses the power for, not that she can use it.
Rey may be physically strong with the force (which I genuinely think they’ll explain in 9) but she’s emotionally very week and the battles she loses are all emotional. Her whole life she’s had to fight physically, that may not be a challenge for her. But I think her growth in the movies comes more from a standpoint of she can’t let go of her past and she can’t listen to Luke when he tells her she isn’t in touch with her emotions. She goes to try and save Kylo, against Luke’s warning, and she may have fought some guards but she ultimately lost what she went there to save. She lost the real fight, which was saving Ben. So maybe physically she can win most of the time, but I think her character arch will be learning how to overcome all of the challenges of people leaving her.
"In legends, let's take this quote from Kreya in knights of the old republic 2" Me: looks up at tv as my game is loading into my save on knights of the old republic 2.
I feel like Palpatine survived the fall because of the Sith Rage ability used by Darth Maul and Anakin Skywalker. If Darth Maul learned it from Darth Sidious then there is no way Darth Sidious didn't use this ability.
@@rl00668 Well in the Clone Wars series I believe Darth Maul used this ability to keep himself alive. But other than that, I can't remember anything else. I see where you are coming from though.
Clone troopers were actually known to deteriorate mentally after the age of 40 Wich to them was 80, It could have something to do with the inhibitor implants affecting their minds,the instability of the cloning prosess and artificial aging process. or just that it's something that Jango Fett was prone to do as he died in his mid to late 30s, but who's to say that a clone of Palps wouldn't experience rapid mental decay
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Palpatine had actors in the comics who pretended to be him. Remember that?
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HAve you ever thought about the emperor they killed in episode 6 was a clone and not the real emperor himself.....
Is it possible that palpatine is not alive but instead a force ghost created through the power of the Sith? Just a question.
I do the voice too, I could be one of those actors
x fire “the dark side a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... unnatural”
The last time I was this early, Palpatine was still a senator.
But he's the Senate? How can he be a senator in himself?
The last time I was this early Palpatine was still on his home planet with Jar Jar Binks
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Now he's the Senate.
**the Senate
Even if he could clone himself would he want to, cause I feel like he's too greedy to let even a copy of himself to have full power of the galaxy.
Hell, I would not want to meet a clone of myself.
He would if he could transfer himself into the body like in legends
But a Force-transference wouldn't be a copy of Palpatine - it would be Palpatine himself transferred into another body.
It's like when you pour a full cup of water into an empty cup -- you don't clone the water, you just transfer it.
Is everyone dumb ,what did he learn from his master?does sidious love himself.....I'll wait for your pentium 1 to catch up
@@shaundavidssd Pentium 1? OK Boomer.
Because his clones weren't impressive. He wasn't very proud.
Impressive...most impressive
*visible sadness*
You better take that back
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They didn't do their job well. I guarantee that.
Just imagine a Senate full of Palpatine clones 😂
Dew it!
I AM THE SENATE!!
Can you imagine the arguments it would be like...
I object I AM THE SENATE!!!
NO I AM THE SENATE!!!
ALL YOU ARE FOOLS I AM THE SENATE!!!
(Gavel bangs)
Calm down Palpatines. I AM THE SENATE!!!!
ALL THOSE WHO AGREE SAY I AM THE SENATE!!!
I AM THE SENATE!!! ALL THOSE OPPOSE SAY I AM THE SENATE!!!
1 Palpatine I AM THE SENATE!!!
ITS TREASON THEN!!!
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WE are the SENATE!
I am glad that you still have the Vader quote "we would be ohnered if you would join us" in your intro I love it.😀😁😁😀
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Me: did you ever hear the tragedy of palpatine is not a clone theory
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Star Wars Theory: Palpatine returns in the flesh as a clone
ALSO STAR WARS THEORY: Palpatine won't come back as a clone
Right?
Multiple theories are possible. :-)
Ian Mc Diarmid is such a talented actor 😊. I can't wait to see him again
Darth Khodos definitely. I hope he plays a HUGE part with tons of screen time
Amen to that ✋
Darth Khodos he was in City of Vice a few years ago here in UK..was set in 1600s London..TV series..was v well made!!
I'll have to check that out
IMO he pretty much carried the entire prequals on his shoulders. And even though the OT means way more to me (nostalgic reasons mostly) I thought the not-deformed-yet Palpatine way more interesting than the Palpatine/Emperor when his cover was blown. His manipulation power was the the most interesting one to me.
this aged well
jody piggin so well
Since after seeing TPM in '99, I've thought it would have been cool if Palpatine had cloned himself and had this clone serve the role of Chancellor Palpatine, while the true Palpatine hid in the shadows as The Sith Lord he is. Doing so would help account for the Jedi not being able to get a clear reading/feeling about the Chancellor.
Jedi Knight Jairin Aiki great point
That would be absolutely retarded, sorry. It would be taking a shit on the whole storyline and logic.
@@rl00668 Yeah, the reason we love Palpatine as much as we do is because of how well he plays both sides with minimal effort. Adding clones to the mix would devalue his intelligence.
Sidious using Snoke as a conduit makes sense since he was obsessed with finding the new Vader.
Kylo is a cool character,just he had so much potential,his arc is Better in the comics
@Above average Peen Jeremy FACT
Also note how Snoke likes to compare Kylo to Vader. He seems to personally know Vader and his capabilities. I doubt Luke taught Ben much about Vader, so the way Kylo reveres him must originate from Snoke telling him. There’s a good video of comparing most of Snoke and Sidious’s movie lines and it very much points to them being the same person.
Who’s to say Palpatine killing Rey wouldn’t be a happy ending? 😂
Would of actually made more sense
Would make me happy
Would have made the fan base happy
If he isn’t a clone, I’m concerned about how they can finish the Skywalker Saga without nullifying Anakin’s sacrifice. If Palps survived, he essentially defeated Anakin. That would kinda demean the first 6 films. Anakin needs to return in Rise.
After disney confirms palpatine is a clone in ep9. RUclips recommended me this 😆
I love how you try to explain this in such an indepth and precise way when they themselves probably threw the entire trilogy together in five minutes lol
Disney has zero creativity, I bet Palpatine just kept himself alive through his hatred. Kylo will probably die in some cheesey way and Rey will one hit kill Palpatine.
Bobby Z Disney just pays the bills bud.. Lucasfilm is what you have issue with.
fzdreaddy too bad lucasfilm isn’t George Lucas
Azuma Reiji No shit, its a company... Did I say it was..? He sold it, free of will. End story. Stop whining.
@@bobbyz9052 Palpatine's return was an idea from Lucas himself, for the force awakens... Lucas was consulted and gave his agrement for Palpatine's return in the final épisode. So don't Say bullshits.
Legends =how it actually happened in my heart and mind.
Deplorable Acker then complain to Lucas, because he’s the one who nixed the old EU as canon back when Del Rey was putting out the Yuzhaan Vong books.
"How did Palpatine survive?"
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Disney on actual movie day: "Nah, we're not gonna tell you how.."
I hate that you are probably going to be right...
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Disney doesn’t even know themselves. Just like Snoke. How do you not have an origin when the movie debuting him released in 2015. It’s been nearly 5 years. I still don’t know who that aborted fetus is. If his origin was released I want to know
“...as I have foreseen it”
Vader killed a clone on Death Star II. He’s been in the shadows ever since.
In the trailer, it looked like Palpatine had some form of a machine hooked to him for life support so I think maybe he survived in Return of the Jedi but requires some form of life support but of course more advanced than Vader's.
You bring up great points about Kylo. Some people don't like him because he isn't as badass as Darth Vader, but Kylo being a failure is exactly why he is a great character. He's like Zuko from the Avatar: The Last Airbender in a sense. Even though he is on the dark side, you wan't to see him succeed so that he can be at peace with himself and to prove that you can achieve great things even if you don't live up to expectations at first and fail a great number of times. It ties in with what Yoda said about the greatest teacher is failure, so i'm hoping Kylo has learned enough to surprise us in ep 9.
Last Time i was this Early, The Senate still Wore Red Robes
I bet palpatines first line is going to be “TO CHEAT DEATH IS A POWER ONLY ONE HAS ACHIEVED!!!”
Whaterver Man and right when Rey's lions move he says "Yes ! Me bitches !"
Oh, I’m afraid Palpatine will be quite operational when TROS arrives.
That's because George Lucas said in the interview of StarLog Magazine that his vision of Star Wars doesn't have Palpatine gets clones of himself. I totally think that be very unlikely for Palpatine since he is strong Sith user that his master taught him to save himself and others from death. I don't think LucasFilms would use that concept after George Lucas left since George Lucas probably left some stuff in his notes to not put it in the canon timeline.
And in English...?
@@Nautilus1972 What are you talking about? That was in English.
Whoever did your Intro did a great Job, looks really gud.
Maybe he did or he became immortal count dooku got his hands on Darth andeddus lightsaber crystal could be possible they acquired more
Or he didn’t die on the Death Star he could have utilized the dark side to sustain his life force I mean Darth maul was decapitated and fell down the shaft and he survived for years leading to the clone wars as for suffocating in space I mean Leia was able to keep herself alive in space utilizing what I assume is the force and an imperial shuttle that was part of a plan could have found him and taken him away as part of a contingency or plan made in the event of the empires downfall
Tom Carrasco hi sorry be picky but decapitated means head removed..Maul was cut in half but not decapitated!! 😉😆
neil murphy severed then
@@tomcarrasco3290 I believe the term you are searching for is "Bisected".
Well...
He fell down the reactor shaft and not down some big trash shute like Maul.
The Leia Mary Poppins act still annoys me, no build up and no sense behind it.
If Palpatine was rescued by an imperial shuttle then he probably would have travelled to the next biggest imperial army unit and continue fighting the rebels.
Yeah but how did he survive the entire death star exploding around him
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I wonder who Matt Smith’s character is then. I assumed he would play a younger Palpatine clone
You're also forgetting Jek 14 though. A clone of the Jango clone who was force sensitive and created by Count Dooku. The only reason the Sith clone army was scrapped was that Jek turned to the light side of the force, so logically the Jango clone base would always result in that outcome. But a clone of someone so pure of malice and evil as Palpatine may product more consistent results. And this may be legends material now, but Jek has recently been mentioned in the Canon novel Droidograohy.
wait, it's LEGO
@@goodmind4940 Yes? It's still as EU as Chewbacca being hit by a moon
This is not just a video I wanted. It's the video I needed!
Snoke not being in any of the trailers might mean that he was a clone.
I'm gonna go with cybernetics. That's the route he chose for his more powerful tools. If he needed something to overcome mortal injury, cybernetics seems to be his preference.
Good theories, broke it down and makes complete sense. Keep up the great vids brother!
I love your new intro ❤️🔥
You forget that in this new series extremely powerful Force users don’t need any length of time to develop master-level abilities.
Leo Baxter this makes the OP beings in Legends more believable...
There were also 2 other force sensitive clones named X1 and X2 in the Battlefront Elite Squadron’s campaign mode. They were cloned from a jedi and served republic. Good one remained in the light side after events of ep3 other one remained with empire and became a Sith if i remember these info correctly. People rarely talk about them when they mention force sensitive clones. I think it was a cool story.
Edit: There might be mistakes in the story because i played it years ago and i wrote this from memory
That intro promo made me feel like I was unlocking things in a video game. 😂😂
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Man, Palpatine would be SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO old in The Rise of Skywalker!
The Bohobemeister but you forget that there was a Sith Lord in Legends during the Old Republic that literally refused to die because of how strong his connection to the dark side of the force. However the more he came back from the dead the less conscious he was. I forget the sith lord’s name tho but you can look him up
@@BladeKi11a No, I remember him.
@@Goferek5 yup that's the guy lol
Disney just said he is a clone a few days ago
You put more thought into this than JJ and the writer did.
1:21 “It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... But by our skills with a lightsaber” what about that?
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Regarding Palpatine... I don’t think he cloned himself for all your reasons here. Awesomely elaborated. Loved it!
What if the Emperor was a clone in Episode 6.
His ego wouldn’t allow for him to clone himself.
What it the Clone Betrays him, & we would have had a Face Sheev.
Think that it is the same old we have seen in all of the movies. Because you know how he was thrown in to the collider and you know how snokes face is all messed up. Well we have never seen snokes full and maybe that is the reason why snoke is so tall because the collider changed how he looks. Plus if we all have paid attention to the movies and your videos it has been mentioned that he can preserve life. And maybe the reason why snoke looks that way is because he did it just a second to late and that’s why snoke was damaged and has the same plans as Palpatin. Thank you for reading this and hit the like
Palps is the last sith. There are now sith troopers. Hey! Maybe all the Sith troopers are Palps clones! ;)
Makes tons of sense! Not sure if you’d agree but I really think it’s simple, Palpatine never died in ROTJ, he fell, we saw something that looked like an explosion but we never saw him actually die or being dead. I was NEVER convinced he was dead for all my life. I’ve been vocal about that for years long before I heard his laughter in the trailer. But now obviously more believing than ever that he just managed to survive that fall and faked his death all this time by hiding. I have no educated idea if how and why he did that exactly, just a simple man’s simple thoughts. I’d lmao if I happen to be right. And I’d think it’s a supercool plot twist. Sometimes things are more simple than most would expect.
Essentially Palpatine concealed his spirit into an artifact and transferred his soul. Same plot hole with Lord Voldemort making horcruxes to achieve immortality
SavageRicktator - Vader’s mask
how is that a plot hole?
This is also the trick from just about every Lich in Dungeons and Dragons novels going decades.
Affe Banane Horcrux + ocean floor = plothole.
I don’t think he died because he is the most powerful being ever
HE IS THE SENATE
I guarantee that the Emperor didn't die on the Second Death Star, so no clones. That explosion as he fell was him opening a rift in time of sorts, like the one we saw in Star Wars Rebels. JJ Abrams likes his time loops and this is how lazily likes to 'change' things in almost all of his stories. Heroes had it. Fringe had it. Star Trek reboot had it. I'm sure there's more, I just can't think of any off the top of my head atm.
Black Knight intense and concentrated energies have always created weird anomalies. Both in sci-fi and real life...
Based on what you said, the character of Kylo Ren seems a metaphor for the entire Sequel Trilogy.
He may not have successfully cloned himself, but I'm sure he gave it a shoot. Like a bitch stewie version or something.
Seems like clones are ultimately still different people even if they have the same base.
I hope Palpateen mops the floor with Ray just completely obliterated
That wouldn't empower women though. I doubt it'll take Rey more than 30 sec to kill Palpatine
WatchMan O1 the whole new trilogy is just a giant disappointment seriously don’t get your hopes up, that being said I agree with Bobby ^
imagine a senate full of senates
Great video!
Apparently, Rise of Skywalker will be pretty disappointing according to a video where the ending has been leaked
I think that Palpatine will return in a complicated way: he HAVE a body vessel but it cannot work without his primal sith spirit from
in which can exit the new body vessel while the body is flat and "switched off". It works similar to "astral form" from Dr. Strange.
7:36 - One thing to note here that is hidden: Every poster have a hodded character.
Vll - Kylo
Vlll - Luke
lX - Palpatine
Is that a hint for Palpatine existing within Luke and Kylo at the same time? Or is it a hint for him trying to manipulate both Luke and Kylo?
What if Rey is his clone? From the novels we know Palpatine had experiments going on Jakku. What if Rey is an escaped clone of Palpatine. And the memories she has were flash learned place holders til Palpatine transfered his essence over to that body? Just a thought
Mandalor a bitch clone from a dude? Would that work??
Amazing how you hit snokes origin right on the nail
Considering the state of Disney Star Wars, I'm betting that we'll get no explanation and the staff saying that they 'subverted our expectations'
Smh
Eat your words @Star Wars Theory.
A "failed" clone, who was supposed to be a dark side force user but turns to light side, is very interesting idea. I want this in Episode 9.
How is Darth Plagueis consider legends (6:25)? If he was mentioned in Ep 3? Unless i am missing something? I thought all movies are still cannon...
This is really Interesting and great video.Palpatine:"Not for the Sith this is Supreme leader Snoke he would find your lost Resistance!"
The number of Cloning experiments Vader did, it would be great if he cloned himself and transfered his consiousness into a clone of his. Since he's a force ghost, his clone could only got the dark side out of it. Thus making a good way to bring Hayden back.
They might also go with whats in the older novels. It explains that if a living force user has a clone of them self that the minds of the original and the clone send echos through the force at each other and will actually drive both of them insane. Thats why the jedi never used cloning to increase there numbers.
We all now a guard saved palps
Palpatine wants Rey to fight kylo but kylo redeems
This is not what we want to hear because we don’t like it but it’s the truth they are not going to do anything with the animation series or something only fans know because it’s still a company
Half the issues in the Skywalker saga came from the desire for immortality. Papatine clearly wanted to extend his own life, Anakin wanted to save Padme. For him to not try cloning would be a disconnect to the story, seeing as he (presumably) wanted to try and take control of Anakin as a vessal, what would have been any different if he'd just cloned him or himself?
(Oh! And there's the Palpatine robot from Battlefront 2, Who's to say he didn't do something similar to that but with his actual brain?)
“Not everyone is born perfect like Rey.” No shit that’s why we don’t like her.
I personally think it makes more sense that Palpatine figure out the technique how manipulate the midichlorians in order to extend his life.
Robomerc like he completed Plageuis work.
@@OdintheGermanShepherd the Darth Vader comics that took place post Revenge of the Sith hint towards that very concept.
It's an imposter, he really died at the end of jedi unless he did a force protection bubble like Leia at the last second before death. Already past the no cloning idea. It's either an imposter, last min force protection Mary Poppins bubble, or possession or another living person who he later changes their face and body into his. The last one is like a horror movie explanation.
I think that palatines clone was in new hope and he's in the rise of skywalker ///my opinion
Palpatine clone gone wrong = hero sounds very interesting.
(who noes if this is cannon anymore or if im remembering correctly) What i read about in the lore, i took plagueis as more a scientist studying the force (he was pretty close to immortality hence why sidious killed him - he wasn't following the rule of 2) and how it can be manipulated to allow to them to conquer life.
Tenebrous, plagueis's master, was also a type of sith scientist who had in fact been able to change his own midiclorians into another type of cell, one that allowed the force user to leave the body (among other things). Plagueis was already well into his research of forcing beings by the time the clone army was started (how many years before the clone wars was that? 20-40?) and assuming the time line is still correct plagueis didn't die till at least the first movie, then it is conceivable that they had working clones by the time palp needed them at the end of the 6th movie.
The most powerful sith who had the deepest knowledge of the force + the best cloners in the galaxy would surely be able to create something usable. This is why sidious having clones in the expanded universe makes sense and is actually a super cool story, it continues a long story that isn't just lightning and swords. If the leaks are true then it's a big retcon.
The real reason is that Snoke was killed in episode 8 and they needed a villain so they brought back a 90 year old Sidious.
I love how this video puts together a logic argument against Palpatine Cloning himself, backed up by reference material. Problem is that he assumes that JJ is A) Talented and B) Actually cares.
Keep in mind the lore has already been pretty much destroyed by The Last Jedi. Now force users can force project and force teleport objects, as well as interact with real people as force ghosts. Also, hyperspace vehicles can now act as unstoppable weapons of mass destruction.
I mean, cloning would explain his comeback. No one's surviving a space station explosion AFTER a reactor core explosion AFTER falling into a reactor pit.
I love you're videos brother you do a wonderful job. I'm not going to spoil anything for anyone who cares about Episode 9. But that is not what happens in the up coming movies. I would rather see you're idea made into a full length movie that would be awesome. That would be Star Wars thanks for all you do.
I liked the tangent you went on there, I needed to hear that with all of the crap going on in my life right now. Just know it was appreciated.
Snoke is a less-powerful clone of Plagueis.
YOU WERE RIGHT ON PALPATINE CLONING SNOKE!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE INCREDIBLE!!!!!!
creating clones of himself to provide himself with body parts after being thrown down giant electricity tube by Vader?
But Palpatine cloned someone to be Snoke and Snoke had The Force. He could have done this with himself. Maybe the reason Snoke has all those scars on him is that the force warped him, but he has the the force.
What if Palpatine transfered his essence to the world between worlds? When he died his spirit traveled to a dimension beyond time and space and the Death Star II isn't even present, it's just a manifestation of his power, sort of like a Force nexus, something like IT'S house where it's only a manifestation of IT'S presence and that explains why he out lives balance, his presence is beyond timelines and once he gets freed after absorbing true power, he can rewrite the timeline and remove his death from existence, and Snoke, an old Imperial adviser who got his scars from fighting corrupt Imperials who tried to take over the Empire for themselves, he didn't have the Force initially, but after meeting Palpatine's spirit, Palpatine shared some of his powers and Snoke promised he would lead the First Order until someone with true power gets to Palpatine, but Snoke betrayed him and attempted to kill Rey instead of presenting her to Palpatine so he won't absorb her power, and then he's attempting to assassinate Kylo, but Palpatine was smarter, he used Force suggestion in Kylo's mind to give him the idea to trick Snoke, and then he blocked Snoke from sensing the lightsaber, so Palpatine killed Snoke, he also manipulated Rey out of deadly situations with Force suggestion where he would just tell her what moves to do so he could bring Rey and Kylo to him and drain their powers to become a Force God, so Rey and Kylo have to defeat him by using a ritual to access the Word Between Worlds and enter the cosmic Force, but once they're there, he's already stronger than them in the cosmic form but the Force Ghosts can interact with the cosmic plane so Anakin defeats Palpatine
You’re so fucking good! Man, I hope 9 isn’t a let down. I want to legitimately enjoy it 💯
100th comment! Nice video! 😁👍 💯
While I would agree, it seems like that ship has sailed, there is Dr. Cylo to consider. He somehow kept transfering his conscious to a new body. Not I don't know how or if those bodies are "engineered", but considering his force-mimickers were bio-synthetic, I would think so would his bodies be...
I also think Kylo Ren is stronger than you give him credit for, even if his Byronic hero is more Heathcliff than Frankenstein's Monster. It was mentioned in TLJ that Rey and Kylo Ren both have "Raw" stength and if you pay attention in his fight scenes, he has way more finesse than Rey. her fear and anger show more than his also. Kylo's biggest strength though is self control. Anakin often had fits of rage that he took out on others, Kylo had yet to really do anything extreme until he's in the AT-At at the end of TLJ where he "vader" choke-holds...
But Kylo Ren could of killed Rey at various points if he really wanted to, but he doesn't, because his goal is about recruiting her, not killing her.
We also have to remember that this story is setting the stage of an evolution in Force philosophy as Kylo (and Snoke) do not see themselves as Sith---we don't understand their reasoning in this alleged distinction or if Kylo Ren have been deceived there, but this is about these two (Rey, Kylo), evolving the force philosophy forward...
Rey may be powerful, and while her struggle is different than Lukes, as he had trouble believing in the Force in order to use, Rey's problems stem out of not being certain of her own identity, not her ability to use the Force. Thus for her and this story, it's about what she uses the power for, not that she can use it.
I think them saying that this Palpatine and Snoke being clones would be the best move, at this point.
Here Before I Force Choked My Wife,I Stopped Listening To Palpatine to Watch This Video..
Maybe he cloned....Me
*possibly*
@@anakinskywalker549 That would explain all of you other Anakin's here on RUclips
This is unfair!!
@@amin_taheri And Outrageous!!!
Rey may be physically strong with the force (which I genuinely think they’ll explain in 9) but she’s emotionally very week and the battles she loses are all emotional. Her whole life she’s had to fight physically, that may not be a challenge for her. But I think her growth in the movies comes more from a standpoint of she can’t let go of her past and she can’t listen to Luke when he tells her she isn’t in touch with her emotions. She goes to try and save Kylo, against Luke’s warning, and she may have fought some guards but she ultimately lost what she went there to save. She lost the real fight, which was saving Ben. So maybe physically she can win most of the time, but I think her character arch will be learning how to overcome all of the challenges of people leaving her.
if maul can survive being cut in half , its a cake walk for Palps XD
"In legends, let's take this quote from Kreya in knights of the old republic 2"
Me: looks up at tv as my game is loading into my save on knights of the old republic 2.
I feel like Palpatine survived the fall because of the Sith Rage ability used by Darth Maul and Anakin Skywalker. If Darth Maul learned it from Darth Sidious then there is no way Darth Sidious didn't use this ability.
When did they use this ability in canon?
@@rl00668 Well in the Clone Wars series I believe Darth Maul used this ability to keep himself alive. But other than that, I can't remember anything else. I see where you are coming from though.
Hey technically didn't win against obiwan because he would become more powerful than vader could possibly imagine. But awesome video!!
Clone troopers were actually known to deteriorate mentally after the age of 40 Wich to them was 80, It could have something to do with the inhibitor implants affecting their minds,the instability of the cloning prosess and artificial aging process. or just that it's something that Jango Fett was prone to do as he died in his mid to late 30s, but who's to say that a clone of Palps wouldn't experience rapid mental decay
Ray is 19?? Dang, only one year older than me 😂
Crazy, eh?