(TF01)23rd Century Warp Speeds
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- In today's episode of Trek Facts we're taking a look at exactly how fast Warp Speeds in the 23rd Century are! Hope you enjoy! :)
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Where would you place Vulcan in relation to Earth and Alpha Centauri? Enterprise's 2nd season finale they were headed to Vulcan first before heading off for the Delphic Expanse to drop off T'pol, I don't remember the how many days it was going to take to get to Vulcan but it took them several weeks just to get to the Expanse. Star Trek 3 & 4, the distance it took to max-warp back to Genesis, then to Vulcan and back to Earth again made the time seem like a matter of hours.
I know you didn't add the TNG-scale in there but considering ST:First Contact, Just how far away is the Romulan Neutral Zone in relation to Earth? Shouldn't Picard have come back to a Borg infested Earth?
It is believed that Vulcan is the system we know today as 40 Eridani A, which is just under 17 light years away, so at warp 1, that would take 17 years... but assuming Enterprise went at about Warp 5, it would take about 50 days to get there... Not so close as we are lead to believe. As for the expanse, assuming Vulcan is relatively along the way, at warp 5, they traveled for 7 weeks to get there... which funnily enough means its about 17-20 light years from Earth... For 3-4, at warp 7 to Vulcan from Earth would take about 17 days to reach Vulcan... Im sure it's obvious at this point why Warp simply doesnt work right in the 23rd Century to make any kind of sense... As for TNG from the Neutral Zone to Earth well this is what I have to say on that.... The Calculations is different, and as such, for example the Enterprise E is believed to have a maximum speed of warp 9.975, at that speed it would take us 4 hours to get to Vulcan but if the E was pushing it's warp to say warp 9.999 it would only take about 8 minutes... So if the Neutral Zone is anywhere between 16 light years and lets say 100 light years, it IS possible for the E to have made it to Earth with time to spare! Hope this helps!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios "Im sure it's obvious at this point why Warp simply doesnt work right in the 23rd Century to make any kind of sense" LOL!!!! So true. Thanks for the response!
No problem :) Anytime :)
It's common to say, especially for TnG/Voy "Warp works at the speed of plot."
@@aloysiusc.4378 It would have to travel at about warp 11.4... Which is probably not really possible... Although in regards to TMP Scotty could have been hypothesizing at what speed the engines maximum was and determined to test that maximum out on the way to Vulcan... And in the end he may have just been wrong... Also there's no concrete proof as to how far Vulcan is... Though its believed to be the Eradani A System there's nothing in canon to confirm this... So Maybe Vulcans is closer the 16 Light Years...
Love the video, even though deep down we all know that all federation starships travel at the speed of plot. ;)
LOL thanks and no doubt!
As Picard said to Data after thwarting Sela: "Nicely done."
Thank you SO much :) :) :)
Thank you! Finally someone who can explain in dummy captain talk how fast 23c Warp speed is calculated. Much appreciated!
You're very welcome :)
Nice! The warp speed equation was well explained. Thank you
Thank YOU so much for the support!
Well done! Really interested to watch a TNG era Warp video and/or alternate FTL drive videos.
Thank you! And there will be one in about a month or so :)
Nice video. I've never known the conversion formula before. Actually, I never knew there was one.
Surprise!!! And thank you :)
The difference between TOS warp factors is a lot lower than I thought, now I can see why they changed the scale to be logarithmic
I know right? It's ridiculous!
Although it does get ridiculous later on, when the difference in speed is so ludicrous that it must be measured in ever increasing decimal placements.
Amazing video, never knew this as I had only recently entered the Star Trek community. Thank you!
You're VERY welcome! And welcome to the Trek Community!
Of course, nothing is allowed to break the speed of light, but I still like this video a lot! Thanks for making it!!!
Warp doesnt break the speed of light rule... At least NOT in universe as the ship drops in to a layer of subspace... Basically a different universe where OUR laws of physics dont apply...
AWESOME VIDEOS. GREAT JOB, YOU HAVE THE BEST VIDEOS.
Then you remember the sheer number of times Kirk ordered Sulu to travel at Warp 1.
I know right?
very nice episode.you made the warp factors speed very easy to understand.
Thank you so much :)
Excellent
Thank you!
That was a great episode
Thank you :) And thanks for the support :)
As others have said, this is a well-done episode. And yes, speed of plot and writers. ;) But all seriousness, good job. :)
Thank you so much :)
I know I'll never see it but my hope is one humans can travel at that speed and we can boldly go where no human has gone before. Great video as always hoss
As always thank you for your continued support :)
That was a really great video i enjoyed it very much I look forward 2 seeing your video on 24th Century Warp Speeds
It'll probably show up next month so stay tuned :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I will cause I sure don't want 2 miss that
You left out one thing. What are we going to do when we get to Alpha Centauri ??? Are we going to have lunch, do some shopping, or just hang out at the Zócalo?? I am not going that far with out a plan. No way.
All the above! :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I call shot gun,because last time I went. I got stuck in the back seat with two Tellarites. All they did was conplain the whole trip.
Dont forget that whole thing you had with that Andorian that had his antenna in a cast! Remember? Rememberrrrrrrrrr....
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios You know what they say. What happens on Alpha Centauri. Stays on Alpha Centauri.
Cool...math wasn't my strong point. The way you explained it, was perfect.
Thank you so much :)
FINALLY someone puts this in plain English! 😀 It's usually explained in a way that confuses even experts in astrophysics and/or quantum theory.
Well you're VERY welcome :)
Damn. That’s a fast and large amount of damaged ship... LETS ADD A LITTLE MORE DAMAGE! 😂😂😂 but seriously, thanks for making this.
Thank you! And you're VERY welcome!
Wonderful!
Thank you again :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios sorry for gushing all over but I just found the channel...and we're getting snowed in again in Iowa....nerd fact I grew up 30 miles from Riverside Iowa
No please, continue to gush :) And im in Canada, so I completely understand :)
Excellent video 👍
Thank you! :)
I do recall reading that the warp scale is the cube of the warp factor times c. I think it might have been in the FASA Star Trek Starship Tactical Combat Simulator game or Starfleet Battles.
Actually it comes from Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek Bible! Others just toke it and used it!
I never knew this, so than you.
You're welcome :)
Let's keep in mind that it isn't all based on what warp speed they are traveling at. You have to factor in stops for snacks, bathroom breaks, and asking directions. Oh and sightseeing. Let's not forget that. Sometimes they take a short cut, sometimes they take the long way around. Maybe their speedometer is off. and of course sometimes they fudge how long it took or how fast they were going because they are secretive and know they are being watched. So inconsistencies are because we are taking them too literally. I mean how many times have they said they were on deck this or that and clearly they couldn't possibly be on that deck? :)
Really interesting, thanks for taking the time to make and upload.
Would you be able to explain why you have to cube part of the formula, please? Thanks.
Thank you! And it has to do with (Fiction) Space being 3d! Silly I know, but it is what it is! :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios thanks, I did wonder if that might have been the reason. It kinda makes sense.
Makes as much sense as warp does in the first place ;)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios have you read The Physics of Star Trek, by Kraus? Definitely worth a read. 😀
indeed I have :)
Dialog in Star Trek IV would seem to imply that the scale was actually changed at some point in the TOS movie era. Specifically after they reach warp 9, instead of following this up with warp 10, Sulu starts giving decimal units similar to what is used later in the TNG era.
There is NOTHING ive seen or heard to support your claim... In Fact this is the first time ANYONE has ever said anything like that to me... My view was simply that the BofP was only capable of getting up that high being it was inferior to a Constitutions Class... And given that ST4 came out before TNG and Mike Okuda rewriting the scale, I tend to believe it was only coincidence... Great idea though...
How long does it take them to get to Vulcan? Seems like years for Captain Archer at those speeds.
It is believed that Vulcan is the system we know today as 40 Eridani A, which is just under 17 light years away, so at warp 1, that would take 17 years... but assuming Enterprise went at about Warp 5, it would take about 50 days to get there... Not so close as we are lead to believe. For ST3-4, at warp 7 to Vulcan from Earth would take about 17 days to reach Vulcan... Im sure it's obvious at this point why Warp simply doesnt work right in the 23rd Century to make any kind of sense...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Thanks 🖖
In a future video, will you be covering faster propulsion such as Trans Warp and Quantum Slipstream?
Indeed I will! Episode 7, the one after the next one, is TNG 24th Century Warp and then next month I will cover all others in 1 video...
that line from the the end of tmp where scotty tells spock they "could have him back on vulcan in four days" what speed would they have to go to make that possible? i suppose it wouldve been the same time frame it would have taken the bird of prey to travel from vulcan to earth in the early part of tvh
The WF-cubed formula looks nice on paper, but doesn't really reflect the speeds we see on the shows and in movies
Well I dont deny that, but is the canon formula, so there's that... Besdies these videos are informational, not designed to debate the topic :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I take your point, but I reckon the formula has been broken more times than it's been adhered to! ;-)
No doubt in my mind of this either! :)
@JOSEPH ESCOBAR yes I remember that book. I have it somewhere.
If it takes days to get to Alpha Centauri, does that put places like Bajor months away? Years?
Probably months, but since we dont know exactly how far away Bajor is...
ahahah I was watching "that wich survives" before the video
Life is full of coincidences :P
Short and to the point. In the German version of Star Trek TOS they used the term "Sol-Geschwindigkeit" = "Sol-Speed". Sol meant speed over light. Why I don't know because like it is explained here, Sol 3 is not 3 times the speed of light and so on.
I would like to know though if we were alone in using a different word as "warp" or was it changed in other countries as well ?
Yes I just wanted to make an easy explanation for everyone to understand :) It would seem that yes you are alone, as Ive NEVER encountered this before! Very interesting though!
Warp Drive having a clear definition like this really opens up the flaws in the whole system from a storytelling standpoint, which is why Gene Roddenberry would tell his writers not to pay any attention to it, hence why we get times when the Enterprise can travel to a far away location in a few hours while other times it would take days or weeks... In the end, to paraphrase someone else, the Enterprise doesn't have a set speed, it merely travels at the speed of Plot.
Yes it definitely does NOT make sense for Storytelling on a weekly tv show... ENT especially would NEVER work!
More TNG episode reviews, please. I wanna hear about all the stuff that doesnt make sense
how about a video on the Bajoran Wormhole?
Ill add it to the list!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios thank you!
Remember the warp 10 barrier on Star trek Voyager or would you rather forget that episode 🤣
Infinite Velocity, who could forget? :P
Awful episode
He mentioned that the formula was only for specific shows. The Warp drive ratings were changed after them. voyager wasn't one of the shows whit this formula used.
the tos warp factor is calculated with a different formula the tng is more complicated and uses two separate formulas to calculate warp 1-9 and the other to calculate everything above
ok so in the Trek universe is there anything in Alpha Centauri? any life or aliens?
Well there used to be. In TOS, Zefram Cochrane (inventor of Warp Drive) is referred to as being 'of Alpha Centauri'. This led to the idea of a humanoid race native to this system. The Spaceflight Chronology of the 1980s described how in the mid-21st century a sublight ship from Earth (the UNSS Icarus) arrived there and made first contact, meeting Zefram Cochrane. He returned to Earth with them and developed the Warp Drive. The Alpha Centauri Consortium of Planets went on to be a founding member of the Federation. This was generally accepted (but not canon) until Star Trek: First Contact happened and Cochrane was revealed to be from Montana (with Earth at the time in no state to send missions into space). So the story became that Cochrane founded a human colony there later in life, and the only inhabitants were from Earth (which Enterprise supported). By the 24th Century there were cities and a university there, attended by people such as Dr. Leah Brahms. (Sorry for a long wall of mostly irrelevant information, but it has only ever been mentioned on-screen a few times and most information about it became non-canon in 1996)
☝️could you do 1 on the problems with threshold and the warp 13 as shown in all good things?
Cool episode I like the math😂😂😂
I've always been confused why in the last episode of tng a command was given to "go to warp 13". Yet in Voyager 10 is maximum for some reason.
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Yeah, we can only assume that the warp scale got changed again!
To be fair the TNG scale does start to get ridiculous eventually with them going warp 9.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999943
(or something like that)
lol
The writers weren't perfect. "The air is the air. What can be done?"
So that explains Warp Speed. What about gravity though?
LOL a future video! Stay tuned! :P
Yet JJ verse got to Vulcan in 3 minutes. How close is Vulcan supposed to be to Earth?
It's 16 light years... And it's clear in the JJ verse it's a different type of warp drive... Most likely transwarp...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yes that's what I was trying to remember. Yes more advanced tech for the era due to Nero. That makes sense now.
Isn't 23rd century transwarp really just 24th century warp drive ?
Seems like it considering 24th century speeds.
Wasn't it called ultrawarp or something ?
No it wasnt... Not even close... The only reference EVER to ultra warp comes from the TNG Tech Manual, and Tech Manuals are NEVER canon...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios
Yes you're right, I remember reading that.
I've also heard it said though that different things are called transwarp though.
When watching your video about 24th century warp speeds, they are crazy fast compared to tos standards, especially at warp 9 and above.
Well not canon, just a fun thought I guess.
Personally I LOVE Tech manuals, have them all! But alas nothing from them is canon! And no NO vessel in the 23rd Century to date has broken the Transwarp barrier, Even the Warp 14.1 Achieved in That Which Survives isnt close...
I guess transwarp in in the realm of slipstream drives and both conduit fast.
I was looking at the online warp speed calculator comparing tos speeds to tbh ones. Have you seen it, its pretty cool.
www.anycalculator.com/warpcalculator.htm
Indeed they are MUCH MUCH FASTER then normal warp drive :) And no I havent, would have saved me A LOT of Calculating time though if I had! :P
You could say that the TNG warp was the transwarp.
But it wasnt, transwarp was a failure for the Federation, that's number 1, number 2 we know what transwarp looks like because the Borg travel at transwarp... Looks nothing like warp...
I stil think, that with the new warp drive of the Excelsior in star trek 3 defined the new warp sclae, so in TNG they are using TOS "Trans Warp"
No Transwarp was a failure... Hence why Excelsior looks "traditional" in Trek 6 and also transwarp looks VERY different then warp... IE The Borg vessels!
So did transwarp just never work then? Because in Search for Spock the Excelsior does seem to have a working transwarp drive (until it met Scotty). And I don't recall the Excelsior changing much externally by Undiscovered Country (aside from the registry). And if Transwarp failed why did they bother to change the Warp scale?
No it NEVER worked... In Fact there is NOTHING to suggest it was working on Excelsior in the first place... Remember the Excelsior was going to conduct trial runs and break some of the Enterprises Speed records the next day! And if you didnt notice the change between Trek 3 interiors and Trek 6's then I suggest you rewatch... As to change in Warp scale, we dont know WHY it changed, but it wasnt because of Transwarp... How do we know that? Cause we've met races that USE transwarp and a) it doesnt look like Federation warp by any stretch, and b) They refer to Transwarp as a separate entitiy. If it was their same warp, they would call their own warp transwarp OR they would simply call those other races Warp and not transwarp!
I just asked my self a strange Question: How would Mirror universe Evil-Riker look like?
What makes you think that it isn't the Evil-Riker through out?
wow lol, warp ships aren't as fast as we are lead to believe, at warp 1 it would still take years to get anywhere out of our solar system
At warp 37 you get there yesterday.
Do not remember where I saw it but the Warp 1 was just that the speed of light. Warp 2 was 10 times the speed of light, Warp 3 was 100 times, Warp 4 was 1000, warp 5 was 10,000 Warp 6 was 100,000 times the speed of light. Bottom line add a zero for each warp and Warp 10 would be 1,000.000,000 times the speed of light. Making Alpha centauri Minutes away or even seconds. Warp 10 would be concider near infinity. But if warp is possible, which it beginning to look like it is, then Warp speeds are near infinite and then only the question of energy required to create the aft and Forward warp bubble fields. Understand that NASA in the last 2 yrs has created a mirco-warp field and verified it. Have no Idea what was used to create the warp but do no it was detected using a split Laser beam passing through the warp field. Concern was could the direction of the Warp bubble be controlled. Based on what I have read a Magnetic Field was used to create the Warp field. On estimate from NASA that 2000 lb to 4000 lb space probe could create a warp bubble using 10KW to 20KW generator to power the Magnets and travel 4 Light yrs in 2 weeks to 20 days. Works out to be some over Warp 3 but less then Warp 4.
Except that isnt how it is... Not sure where you saw/ read that, but it is wrong as the video demonstrates!
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RUclips does NOT update it's numbers in real time for watchers, thats why... In fact at this moment there is 104 views!
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The original Enterprise did go to warp 9 to escape from Romulans.
Yes? It did go to Warp 9, Old Warp Scale, in fact it went to Warp 14.1 in That Which Survives! Again old warp scale!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios I remember faintly a episode where the warp drive would not stop accelerating and the Enterprise was going to explode or something, but I remember when Scotty was fixing the warp drive the guy at the helm said the ship got to warp 15 just before the warp drive was shutdown, I seen references of the episode on RUclips but I don't remember what
It's called.
Im sorry you're incorrect, probably confusing That Which Survives with The Changeling... The maximum speed the Enterprise ever attained in TOS was 14.1... And thats the episode where the ship was accelerating...
Also I found this link for you which confirms what I said.... memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Warp_factor look under the Warp 10 and above 23rd Century Tab... It confirms that it is 14.1!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios did you even watch it?
Even with these speeds, Alpha Centauri is still too far! What means that Vulcan, Qonos, Romulus, even Bajor, are closer to Earth than Alpha Centauri?
What are you talking about? At warp speeds Alpha Cent is very close.. I mean At warp 1 it's only 4+ years away... A warp 5 it's only 12.5 days away...
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios yes, but I'm talking this is a very very high speed and 12 days... Sounds too far for me. I understand the concept, the idea, but still think it's a long long way.
@@Georges_1959 Warp 5 is not a high speed... And 4.5 Lightyears is not the average between star systems in our galaxy... about 2-3 light years is... Meaning at a standard cruising speed of warp 6, The TOS Constitution Classes Standard Cruising Speed, it would take about 5 days... It isnt too far, even 12 days isnt too far LOL