ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan Handicaps the AL & NL MVP Races | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan and Rich Eisen discuss if Aaron Judge and Shohei Ohtani are locks to win the AL and NL Most Valuable Player .
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All these Ohtani fatigue and underestimating Ohtani’s greatness and season - might just take the MVP from a 50/50 season - is incredible!!! In 2022, Judge had his 62 HR record breaking season and everyone just so enamored by his 62 HR record breaking for AL. While Ohtani has a 15 wins, 2.22 ERA and 36 HRs and higher WAR etc. but now ….its oh he don’t play defense or a 50/50 record won’t be enough bc Lindor plays defense although only has 0.5 fWAR lead over Ohtani and Ohtani has better 1.0 bWAR than Lindor. But who cares about the RECORD BREAKING - has NEVER been done EVER 50/50 by Ohtani bc Lindor plays a above average SS and not even in top 3-5 of any key offensive metrics that Ohtani either leads in or top 2-3. So amazing these anti Ohtani narrative. SMH!!!
Oh, don’t forget in 2022, Ohtani was the first to ever qualify in both batting Average (17% did) AND ERA (5,8%) which has never been done!! As evident with such a small minority qualifier in each, to qualify in both simultaneously (!!?) who does that!! With better ERA than Gerrit Cole!
But he lost to a guy who hit ONE single ball extra over the fence than Maris.. and 7th in most recorded HR in a season..
Speak the truth!!! I don’t understand the bwar stuff lol I think the advance stats are overrated because it doesn’t take in account the intangibles. But I agree with you about Ohtani
Jeff Passan always dissed Ohtani. He said Ohtani would struggle as a hitter in the MLB. He also said Ohtani gambled with no evidence to support his claim, and when authorities exonerated Ohtani, he did not apologize for jumping to false conclusions.
Dont forget , Passan said Ohtani's ability was high school level when he had joined Angels.
There is no real ability for Passan to acknowledge the truth
Haters like Passan are the worst - can't stop hating, but always putting on a big performance of being (fake) balanced
Yo in reality though, Ohtani doesn’t care about MVPs. He’s going out there hitting bombs and stealing bags to put himself and his team in the best position to win games. Same for Judge, Witt, and Lindor.
It’s about winning. This MVP talk is just for us non-players to strike our own ego about how much we think we know the game.
Let’s just enjoy these great players we have in our generation.
If it’s so fricken easy to steal bases, why can’t Judge steel even ten?
Oh, and why aren’t there more Rehabbing Pitchers hitting 40/40 when they are nursing their TJ operated arm? then COMPARING him with other who are honing their offensive skills FULL TIME CAREER and brag that these specialized player have better number, even accomplished what them selves in history never accomplished 50/50…with Ohtani who has less than half of his time ever working on this skill! If that’s not Historical, then what is??
Facts brother
If defense is such great of a metric last year Ronald Acuna won the MVP with negative defense.
A pitcher can win MVP, they're not fielding any position and their contribution is only every 5 days. The contribution of a DH is mostly every day. MVP shouldn't be reserved only to those who have dWAR. Ohtani's value is not merely his HR's and SB's, it's also the strenght he adds to the lineup, that which forces the other team's manager to plan differently.
Ohtani. Incredible.
Especially not if Ohtani hits 50-50.
If he makes that number, it’s almost guaranteed.
50/50 club - atm 45/45 first ever. in HISTORY . and dodgers in 1st place. so cmon dude!
Exactly the reason why I won’t subscribe to this channel
Already unsubs here
Jeff Passon: Ohtani is just a high school level player.
A Rod: Ohtani made MLB look like high school baseball
Who do you listen to?
Six players have hit 60 plus hrs. Even with roids, no player had 50/50.
I'm ohtani fan i agree bobby wit and judge is having better year bec ohtani is not pitching but in NL ohtani is the clear mvp no way lindor is gonna win over him
Obviously don't know a shiet about baseball Othani in other team is garbage but in LA wow please Lindor is First baseman and have 20 some less RBI's than him?
@@abnertorresriveraneltorres5522Ohtani maybe rehabbing, what he is NOT is garbage!!! He isn’t a two time UNANIMOUS MVP for not f**kn reason!!
@@abnertorresriveraneltorres5522 if you know so much about baseball then go place a huge wager on Lindor to win the MVP and see how that turns out for ya. If you are right, then you would win a huge bag.
@@ranmatendo7793😂 I took like 3 mfer that 😅
@ranmatendo7793 a week ago, I'm pretty certain ohtani gunna sweep. Once now, every analysis u watch, they're saying lindor nd how he plays SS
I wouldn’t listen to passan. He’s the same guy who said ohtani wouldn’t be a good batter in the league. Look it up
One awful take takes all credibility from someone?
@@SpecsJigglypuff When it's that stupid a remark? Yes.
@@trashdoktor Agree to disagree I guess, I don’t tarnish what someone has to say after they say something I heavily disagree with
It was one take and based on a number of scouting reports. He also posted an apology later on. Passan is a fantastic columnist.
He never said that. He reported that a scout said that lol.
Ohtani gonna lap the field when he starts pitching again
They gunna say, he doesn't speak English 😂
I LOVE and adore Jeff Passan, he definitely has his bad take moments but we can't deny the dude knows his baseball. Having said that; Lindor might be the runner up to Ohtani for MVP but it's not even close on who's going to win it, Ohtani is lapping him right now. I don't care if he DH's, dude is 6'4 being one of the best base runners in the sport, while also having a good on base percentage and casually about to hit 50 homers. All of that in just one season, oh and don't forget when he's healthy he's undoubtedly a top ten pitcher in baseball too. Lindor, and Mets fans, are really lucky Ohtani isn't pitching or we wouldn't even be talking about him right now.
Everything else Passan said I can agree with. Judge and Witt are having better overall seasons, but ONLY because Shohei isn't pitching. Don't get it twisted through- No one is picking Witt or Judge over a HEALTHY Sho-time.
Judge can't steal base like Ohtanti does.
@@Kingofthehill84 Of course, but Judge is the better offensive player. He has Shohei beat in every offensive category besides the ones that include running the bases. Ohtani, without a shred of doubt, is the best baseball player in the world when he's 100% healthy but right now he's not. But RIGHT NOW, as in the 2024, Judge is having a slightly better year.
Ohtani going 50/50 is insane, but I would still will take Acuna's 40/70 season than BOTH Judge's and Ohtani's 2024 seasons. The dude was on the best team in baseball, hitting .340, while hitting lead off and stole 70 bases. Also alot of Acuna's steals resulted in runs, which wouldn't have happened if he didn't get those bases, a bunch of Shohei's stolen bases lead to nothing happening. So why would I choose Shohei over Judge this season if last season I saw someone do what he did but more impressive?
Jeff Passan can eat a ..... Ohtani is NL MVP
It may surprise some, but in my opinion, few players are as underrated as Ohtani is. I like the articles by Jeff, as for this assessment of Shohei, I can totaly not agree with him.
Which one? "The verdict is in on Shohei Ohtani's bat and it's not good"
Jeff Passan is good at reporting which team signed/traded which players. Player evaluation is not his forte, I mean, he is very bad at it. Rich Eisen is good at talking NFL. Baseball is secondary to him.
Why did MLB give Ohtani his MVP? Because 2-Way plays has NEVER been seen before in MLB level (Even Babe Ruth has not done in the same season).
Have you seen 50/50 before in MLB level? NEVER! Period!
But he is not black.
Someone finally brave enough to say the facts on air. Bobby Witt deserves all the praise Judge is MVP but Witt is right behind him.
Jose Ramirez doesn’t even get a mention? Really? More homers, RBIs and SBs than Witt (none of those comps are particularly close either) and yet I guess batting average in 2024 makes an MVP
Love Jose, but those stats are a lot closer than you think, Bobby has a higher average than Jose has OBP 😂 Also, higher slugging, total bases, OPS, runs scored and plays top of the line defense at shortstop. Watch more ball please
Bobby Witt has 40 plus more hits😭
You guys are missing the key word from my comment. Jose wasn’t even mentioned.
@@patd0I saw it, don’t care. It’s a 2 man race and that race isn’t close either
@@alleycat2477 that is sadly ignorant. It’s a one man race. Dream on.
Lindor is has an average batting record,
Ohtani’s stolen base numbers are worthy of defense.
Ohtani＞＞＞Lindor Not even close
Rich also accused Ohtani of gambling when the Ippei scandal broke out
This isn’t that complicated. In baseball, you contribute in only two ways: by getting runs or getting outs. Ohtani is in a category of his own in terms of his contribution to run creation, but he obviously doesn’t do anything to get outs for his team. Lindor definitely does way more in terms of getting more outs, but there’s a very big gap between him and Ohtani on the offensive side (137 OPS+ vs. 177 OPS+). The question is whether Lindor’s defense makes up for that massive gap in offense, but it’s a matter of opinion.
This guy really hates ohtani.
One say Othani have highschool baseball skill , both say Othani the one that do the gambling , the other one his host say Othani is a liar while he dont understand Japanese and dont bother to goggle translate.
I greed with him, but when othani is pitching, i wanna hear they are just position player. othani is a top pitcher in the league.
Why do pitchers win MVP's?
If anybody truly believes that Lindor is winning the MVP over Ohtani. You go to vegas or bet on Draftkings because Lindor is +600, which means if you bet $100, you will win $600. GOOD LUCK.😂
What does a designated hitter have to do-hit for the cycle while juggling or save a kitten from a tree-just to be considered for MVP? Because clearly, just smashing home runs isn't enough!
It means ohtani has no value for half of the game, whereas Witt and Judge play challenging defensive positions very well in addition to having stellar offensive numbers.
Ohtani is clear MVP in NL. Probably having the best season overall if Judge don’t get to 63 HR (as no longer on pace, now 59 HR pace). Ohtani will probably finish 51-55 HR and 50-60 Stolen base. All these lame excuses for Lindor is ridiculous. Ohtani leads in most (HR,OPS,SLG, OBP, total bases, Runs or top 1-3 in every key stats(BA,RBI,triples,stolen bases etc) - while doing 50/50. These people expect Ohtani to do 60/60 or 70/70 to win MVP!! Next year. If he pitches 20 games and sub 3.5ERA, Ohtani better win MVP each year based on these pundits analysis. WAR is not everything- btw, Ohtani leads Lindor by 1.0 bWAR and trailed by 0.5 fWAR only while penalize by being a DH. Imagine if he just stood at 1B, nobody would catch is WAR output. WAR is nice but really overrated. Look at stats and impact to team and MLB. Ohtani is clear MVP
@@BHox01judge doesn’t play a challenging position lmao
@@fuqwytes6458 I was under the impression that he played a good amount of CF, especially with Soto and Verdugo being the other OFs for a bulk of the season. Even if I'm wrong, an above average corner outfield is considerably more valuable than a DH
@@BHox01yeah catching one routine flyball per game and busy blowing bubble gum
Judge Witt Ramirez Henderson Soto…If Soto wasn’t backed up by judge he would be ahead of Ramirez
結局MVPは雰囲気で賞？
Judge's bat alone makes him the clear winner over Witt but 30 seconds later, oh actually playing defense needs to be taken into account when it comes to Ohtani. GTFO.
Shohei Ohtani cares more about getting LAD play in the post-season and winning the World Series than winning the AL MVP for himself. These armchair baseball analysts should always keep in mind that BASEBALL IS A TEAM SPORT and no amount of individual accolade would really matter to any decent MLB player if his team does not even end up in the post-season.
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I like how these white boys don’t even acknowledge that ohtani also pitches when healthy thus making him the best overall player by a mile
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I am proud of Shohei as a Japanese.
Shohei's goal is to win the World Series.
Neither MVP nor 50-50 should be his goal.
Give the MVP to someone else.
Basing wins on WAR is what has made baseball lose its magic. Ohtani is bringing back the real magic. Here is an example the Giants win the WS then Posey gets hurt, the giants weren’t even close to being as good of a team, Poseys influence on winning was way more than whatever WAR says. I seriously stoppped watching because of all these insane analytics that take away the actual magic of baseball. But I’m back now because of Ohtani, I don’t care what WAR says, 50/50 is legendary, 60 hrs is legendary. Those are the things baseball has been about for 100 years, all this WAR bs doesn’t translate to winning, look at the Angels they have Trout the king of WAR. lol not much influence on winning. Winning above their replacement is intangible not analytics
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if lindor is the a.l. mvp and not ohtani, then zack neto of the angels is the a.l. mvp and not judge. and why are they comparing ohtani to b.witt?lol why not settle things: everybodys better than ohtani and call it a day
To Judge wtf ？
There's someone like Witt, his names francisco lindor
😂😂 when did Lindor became like Witt? He doesn't even lead a single offensive stat,unless u consider AT BATS as one...Witt is like .9 batting average lead compared to Lindor and now u say they are the same..lol
@ymmudacc9996 not the same but similar, witts having a better offensive yr but they're both playing elite defense with good/great offensive numbers, both are on weaker offensive teams that judge/Ohtani
@@danielkim9587lol kc offense far from week they got a way better Ba then the Yankees and are tied with the dodgers 😂
LINDOR NL MVP 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Lindor is the MVP.
Said on one ever😂.Goathani is the clear cut mvp no doubt.😭😭😭
Then jus put all the money you have on a bet and see how it will play out for you.
Why? He’s not even that good when you look at the entire season. You just have recency bias.