2016 Dragon Ball RUclips was an awesome era for the fandom. So much fun and nostalgia looking at those old videos. Some many faces come and gone. What an era.
Yes! Especially when Episode 66 came out. Everyone and thier dads, literal different communities in the fanbase, GT fans, Super fans, Gogeta fans, Vegeito fans etc all came together and said. What a *GARBAGE* episode.
Dragon Ball is weirdly one of the most misconceived franchises out there because people really want to hype up the feats and experiences of their favorite characters
Well some of it doesn't make sense. For example, gohan went from being the strongest to being the weakest in the first few episodes. How weak was he? We don't know. Then he trains with piccolo and he is able to keep up with ssb goku. Even if you say goku is holding back, it is still impossible to pin point gohans strength. Then gohan makes a statement saying he would surpass goku with a different form. IT NEVER HAPPENS. So gohan was wasted potential but till this day. No one knows how strong he is. I mean he destroyed other universes with ease
I'd say people are overanalyzing the crap out of this franchise. They watch it with "Cowboy Bebop" eyes and end up disappointed with the "lack of depth" when it's not supposed to be deep. It's just a Hong Kong martial arts film on crack.
And I feel like also a lot of people don't understand how strong is Goku there's a couple people I know saying that he's not that strong and I'm like bruh
At least with Star Wars, I can understand that people come out of it with a different point of view and that it’s such a big franchise that there’s different kind of fans, people who are OT purists, Prequels fans, Sequels fans (yes we do exist), people who got into the series through KOTOR, etc. Dragon Ball not so much, there’s a lot of stupid
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 At least you joked about it, unfortunately we’re treated the same way Prequel fans were being treated back in the 2000’s And some by Prequel fans themselves
I mostly agree with you. Dragon Ball is the story of Goku and how he started out “low level”(by Saiyan standards) but through hard work and dedication eventually became a literal god. I don’t completely agree with the proving everyone wrong part. There definitely were moments where Goku proves people wrong about what they think about him, a main example being Vegeta thinking Goku is just weak low class warrior who could never beat him but Goku through his own hard work becomes much stronger to him to point where he unlocks the power of the Super Saiyan which was just a myth and legend that no one was sure actually existed. I don’t think that’s part of main of Dragon Ball as a whole though. I think the main point about Dragon Ball is by never giving up, and with giving your all with hard work and dedication you can overcome seemingly impossible odds and achieve anything you can dream of. I say Dragon Ball’s story is just as much about Goku’s desire to always push himself not only to be strong enough for his next enemy/opponent but to actually learn from his enemies he fights. Fighting is Goku’s passion. He does it just as much for fun as he does to protect his friends and family. I think SethTheProgrammer says it best in his “The Story of Goku” video.
@@Mindwipe96 I kinda disagree since at first Goku wasn't even a Saiyan just some monkey kid, so I feel like the whole point of db is the pursuit of happiness and improving oneself from the day before
@@young_shaad5227 you've hit the nail on the head. Remember Roshi's instructions to Goku and Krillin during their training together, when they were resting on those hammocks? I think that's Dragon Ball in a nutshell.
@@Schizo_Ty goku proves everyone wrong w his power he’s always fighting “the strongest” but he proves everyone wrong when he proves his power and raises it thus proving every villain wrong
@@TH0UX4N Think about it this way, kid buu seems more powerful because he has no control. He’s basically a raging toddler with immense power that can’t be reasoned with. He destroyed the earth just because he felt like it and toyed with goku and vegeta as he fought them even though they were powerful individuals. Super buu absorbed humans, so he has more emotional intelligence and can be reasoned with. But this still doesn’t change the fact that not only did Super buu absorb gotenks, he absorbed piccolo (an incredibly intelligent fighter) gotenks fused, and gohan who at the time is relative or more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. To even stand a chance goku and vegeta had to fuse. Buuhan is absolutely ridiculous in terms of power and only Vegito at the time could stop him. Now take kid buu. He has no one absorbed. He’s buu in his purest form, although he’s still incredibly powerful. What makes him so strong is like i mentioned before how unreasonable and dangerous he is, and the fact that he has infinite stamina. If SSJ3 didn’t take so much energy Goku probably would’ve had an easier time with him. Kid Buu also had Goku and Vegeta’s arrogance on his side. Had they fused again we would’ve saw something very similar to the previous Vegito fight. It would’ve been an insane stomp. So while Kid Buu may seem more dangerous, Buuhan just had more powerful people absorbed, and a better mind for strategy.
Kid Buu is just spontaneous and unchained e.g. him blowing himself up on multiple occasions, Buuhan on the other hand is more calculated and thinks prior to making a move,
Dragon Ball is very the misunderstood in the general public and even in the fandom. That's why it's awesome that there's people like Geekdom that have a platform to clear up these misunderstandings.
It doesn’t make sense because people don’t understand his character he’s a sayain and sayain s love to fight .of course he cares about his son and he’s done things with gohan
But loving your son and being a good father figure are two separate things. You can love your child more than anything in the world but if you teach them the wrong things or always encourage the worst possible behaviors then you are a bad dad I don't care how much you love him. He's not the best father figure in the world but that is because he grew up without one for so long. But the bad dad jokes aren't about if Goku loves Gohan
@@michaeldancyii9901 bruh. blame fucking chi chi. what's the point of school when your the worlds strongest man? simple basics. you just need to know on how to live. education does not mean anything if it blocks your own ambition since it just rates your own intelligence and not give you actual education.
@@michaeldancyii9901 we aren’t calling Goku the most perfect father ever, but to sit here and call him an absolute horrible father, it’s just idiotic, the memes about dragon ball “fans” not actually watching the franchise, prove it to be true 💀
So I’ve been power scaling franchises for a couple years now, I have someone who’s been doing it for almost a decade, he lets me know feats, actual tiers for characters since we go by VsBattle’s Tier Template, but we don’t take VBW’s word for where they place characters in their tier (because it’s well known for how biased they are), and this video with Geekdom saying you can’t fix stupid and debating is pointless, I can FULLY agree with. Debating is a pointless thing when it comes to power scaling or some dumb theory like “Cell was stronger than Gohan” when no lol, Gohan just needed to stop doubting himself during that Kamehameha clash and really unleash his full power. The Dragon Ball community really does need to kinda “mature” itself from these dumb theories or debates that drags on to either someone playing the victim card or a roast session. Dragon Ball is one of the first series I love, and I’ll continue to love, but Jesus Christ.
Ok….I don’t want to be that guy…..but gohan put his full power into that blast and cell was just struggling, if vegeta didn’t distract cell I don’t think gohan could get the win , also it’s a shame we didn’t see a two handed gohan vs super perfect cell because that way we could see who is truly stronger
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 This has been debunked over and over and over. In no way was Cell stronger than Gohan. It was literally said multiple times Gohan was holding back the whole time.
You got people walking around thinking Mermaids are real and Atlantis existed despite it only being relevant in one of Plato's dramas. People will never mature.
Krillin would marry chichi , chichi is good for krrilin and Goku would marry bulma and begeta would marry frieza and beerus would marry bulla and whis would marry vados..nice right
While i agree that Goku wasnt a bad father to Gohan and that they did have an actual connection (regardless of how much Goku was out of commission ON SCREEN), I do think Piccolo matters to Gohan nearly as much as his mom and dad, namely in Dragon Ball Super. I just feel like you might be selling his friendship with Piccolo a little short is all.
By the time of Super, Gohan has spent nearly as much if not more time with Piccolo than with Goku. Goku is dead for one year after fighting Raditz, and then seven years after Cell, while Piccolo was around for most of that time. And after coming back to life Goku spends most of his time training, first alone, then with Whis and Vegeta, while Piccolo hangs out with Gohan and helps him with his family life. Geekdom101 seems to completely ignore the period after Cell and only focus on the first arcs of Z I agree that Goku's bad parenting is being overblown by the fandom, but there is some truth to it because Goku was dead for almost half of Gohan's childhood, and Gohan's bond with Piccolo is very strong
@@Jimatron9000 id say he was stronger when dead! Cause his body wouldn’t have limits or at least not as many. He only had to worry about using up his earth time
I’d say goku was stronger in ss3 than fat buu, but he couldn’t beat buu due too his regeneration and how short the time he could keep the form up. Stronger doesn’t always mean ur gonna win.
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That's true, but at the same time it just felt more shallow as time goes on. Take a look at the recent arc and as of now the new villain is just shallow. So shallow that his motive makes him look dumb rather than justifiably angry.
For the most part yes, however at the same time it leaves much to talk about. Let's get real, Toriyama is not the best writer in the world, he doesn't care much about consistency or powerscaling. Also like in real life there are just things that make you wonder 'what if' cuz not literally everything has to be explained. I'm not talking about dumb people claiming SSJ Stage 3 Future Trunks was able to beat Cell.... but some topics which make sense to be explained, for instance: could full powered SSJ3 Goku beat Buu or who is stronger - Super Buu or Kid Bu. That's why we love this channel.
I used to enjoy the Goku bad father jokes in DBZA a lot, but when people started taking that as gospel, I got really annoyed, and what's worse is their cognitive dissonance. I don't even enjoy the jokes as much as I should anymore. Sad Reality.
Yeah you have no idea, I'm glad Saiyan Scholar made a video about the whole "Goku is a Bad Dad!?" Shlock and SOMEONE in the comments had the audicity to say that "If Akira Toriyama says that Goku is a Bad Dad it's CANON, Deal with it!"... so by that logic, Path To Power (the 4th OG Dragon Ball Movie) should be "Canon" just because Toriyama always intended to have Bulma with Purple Hair (in the movie I mentioned she has Purple Hair). Geekdom is right people like that don't think much & take it for granted (by the way the dude's name was 'God Almighty', what a pretentious username).
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 that guy is an absolute clown. btw u cud have just said Death of the Author, and his entire arguement is equivalent to pig's sht. (Death of the Author means the Author's intepretation holds no special value ahead of the reader's intepretation. Intepretation is based on the book/fiction only and nothing more).
Also the whole "all they do is power up and scream for 3 episodes straight" that people for some reason always bring up only ever happened once for ssj3 goku and there it was because the transformation was emphasis was on the transformation and power of goku, not his fight against Majin Bū.
@@anthonychase6906 Memes have kinda ruined Dragon Ball if you ask me, or atleast it's reputation. People think it's this repetitive(I mean it is to some extent),boring and cliche story when they don't realize that alot of the tropes in shounen anime CAME from Dragon Ball itself. It doesnt even take 5 seconds to charge a Kamehameha yet people still got the audacity to say "It takes 5 episodes" because of Goku's SSJ3 transformation which was supposed to be shown as the strongest form EVER.
@@anthonychase6906 To be fair the pacing in the original Z was atrocious at times. Sure, screaming for 5 episodes is a massive overstatement, but there were some episodes which barely moved the plot forward. Kai has much better pacing and is better to watch.
@@anthonychase6906 Yeah, exactly. It's not about screaming for 15 minutes, it's about those 10-15 seconds every now and then which add up. Some episodes of Z just feel completely pointless as they just don't advance the plot enough.
The reason why I like this channel so much is because you know what you’re talking about it’s so hard to have a decent discussion about DB without it becoming a huge argument
But there’s no need for a huge argument to be made , that’s the thing , people are over here making their own stuff up and sometimes stating their opinions as facts E.x : gt vs super : whatever you prefer IMO dbs is slightly better How strong goku is : people say he is low multi , but I don’t buy it mostly because the multiplayer on the transformations are way to high ( if his base is universal then why isn’t ssj goku a multi universe buster ? And mui goku something ridiculously stronger ? ) Dbs is bad : not really dbs gets way too much hate IMO it definitely isn’t as bad as people make it out to be
Agreed, there's the whole SSJ4 (variations included) vs SSG, SSGSS (variations included) argument on who is stronger between the two, Gogeta vs Mui Goku, Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta vs their Super Counterparts, Broly vs Jiren, one side agrees, the other disagrees, game feats are brought in with manga, anime and movie feats, back and forth discussion between either party and then boom ground zero
Couldn't agree more with one of the first things you said... "People tend to play follow the leader instead of thinking for themselves" Sums up America easily.
You know thinking about it, wouldn't it be better to think of Gohan and Piccolo relationship as brothers? They are very close age wise, and Piccolo is basically a uncle to Pan so..
Yeah, since in a way, Gohan and Piccolo were/are best friends. It's just that Piccolo matured faster, and trained before Gohan, so he was a mentor before developing a friendship with him.
There is alot of "I don't understand this. Its stupid." attitudes in this franchise when it comes to subjects in Dragon Ball that are very easy to understand and without having to overthinking much. The moment people stop saying something is stupid because they "dont" understand it, i think everyone will understand Dragon Ball better. Dragon Ball or any other franchise we love because we have to always seek a standard of reason, information that is the truth and we are protected from the lies.
Like some people think ul gogeta would get clapped by beerus in one shot I said this for example tho but how could someone one shot someone of FUSION that powerful well not counting angels also people in Instagram underestimate fusion's sooo much when I see those idiotic comments I get mad and close the app lol I used to fight but I think its useless
To a lesser extent, the anime proved what you're saying around the 6:00 mark. In the episodes leading into the Cell Games, when Goku and Gohan were hanging out in super sayian form, Krillin nailed an unaware Goku in the head with a rock. Doesn't mean Krillin is stronger, or that Goku is weak to rocks. Just shows that anyone, no matter how powerful, can be caught off guard
People also say that Goku "always wins" like fam, have they not watched the series or have they simply forgotten it? Goku lost to Vegeta 100% back in the Saiyan Saga, Goku genuinely lost. Unlike his battle against Majin Vegeta, because that one was kind of cheating. Goku beat Freeza fair and square, that's for sure. Goku never fought the Androids, and he forfeit against Cell, though he would've lost anyway. Goku didn't beat any version of Buu except for Kid Buu, even then he had to use the Spirit Bomb, which technically isn't even his own energy. In Super? Oh boy. Goku lost to Beerus, Won against Freeza(Seeing a pattern here), Lost to Goku Black and Zamasu, and sort of won against Jiren. He then got his ass kicked by Moro for the majority of the arc, He got the win in the end but even that win was given to him thanks to, you guessed it, ENERGY FROM OTHERS. And as far as we've seen with the Granolah Arc, Goku has done nothing but get absolutely pummeled, even Vegeta of all people is doing better than he is. Vegeta has won almost every encounter he's been in since his introduction in Z. Won against Goku, killed and defeated Cui, Dodoria,Zarbon and Guldo, Android 19, beat up Cell for a bit before he went Perfect, beat Golden Freeza for a while before he blew up the planet, beat Frost, Magetta, beat up Goku Black and Zamasu for a bit, beat the Danger De Trio(Albeit Goku was helping), beat Toppo, beat Moro for a bit, and now in the Granolah arc, he seems to still be on top. As you can see, Goku has taken way more Ls then Vegeta has. But of course the Fanboys wouldn't accept that.
This is something you creators should take to heart aswell, but not about power scaling. but when coming to judging the story, so many of you creators are misunderstanding, forgetting the context, the underlying story, reading between the lines and understanding the author. should go both ways to make all the "fans" get the right information, right?
Geekdom the whole anime community is like this bro you should see some of these Naruto people saying crazy shit it’s even worse. Dragon ball is so simple idk how people can get so confused and so stubborn about power scaling. Literally just watching it alone is enough to discern most everything you need to know
So many misconceptions are based on weird lines in the English dub. On the blu-ray sets you can watch the English dub with subtitles and the subtitles are for the Japanese dialogue. Usually if something doesn’t make sense, reading the subtitles clears it up. Or you can just watch kai which is a much more faithful translation.
When Goku and Gohan went to the HTC to train to fight cell, anyone with a brain could tell Goku cared deeply about Gohan. Not counting the filler scenes where he spent time with Gohan as he should as Gohan's father. You hit the nail in the head Danny 👌💯
Yeah because why would you wanna watch a fighting show where people that can literally destroy planets and even stars sound like a bunch of prepubescent 10 year old boys when you could watch it in your own native language with voice acting that actually fit the characters
@@JAZ-101. Dude you do realize that the sub is not always accurate as well right especially when there's lost translation from the manga or wrong wording. It sounds better in dub because bit makes more sense and sounds really menacing to the characters
What annoys me the most in the fandom is the war between each part of the series (as in, you can only like DBZ, no GT or Super, for exemple). And dipshits who try to force their opinion down your throat and act like victims when you refuse. Also, the ones who act like the past was perfect but following series "ruined everything".
Indeed "Piccolo is Gohan's true father" is cringe as hell Also...a LOT of the misunderstanding comes from the inaccuracy of the original FUNimation dub. I know a lot of people are fond of it and cherish it but that original dub was very misleading (Bardock being a brilliant scientist, Freeza saying he'll copy the Namekians' regenerative abilities after watching Nail regrow his arm). Another aspect is people thinking DBZ is the start and kid Goku's adventures are considered a spin-off or some shit.
TFS DBZA as well bro. As great as it was and I loved it, it ruined alot of the aspects of series. People genuinely say that they can't watch the original anymore. They pushed the Stupid Goku personality so much that it's now canon to people, as well as Gohan hating Goku and Piccolo being considered Gohan's father. People also think Goku suffered from brain damage, he didn't. I guess he sort of did but he only lost his memories of the Saiyans, his mission and lost his violent and evil nature. His naivete comes from the fact that he lives in the woods for many years before Bulma came along.
@@Xeno574 I agree. People like mistaking Goku's naivete for stupidity. And yes, the TFS production, while funny, was taken WAY too seriously by many fans...
I think a lot of people hold onto assumptions that they made when they last saw the series which is typically when they were a child and they do not bother to refresh themselves before arguing their takes
With what subtitles, man? That's the whole point - if you don't speak Japanese you can be sure any translation you have is not synced with the original Japanse version....
Yes I agree the Spanish and English dubs have changed so much the originally dialog and that it can drastically change the story and get characters wrong
Completely agree. As someone who debates and studies the series, both narratively and the scaling. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen shit like: SSJ2 Cabba Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan Kid Buu Vs Buuhan Majin Vegeta is stronger than Goku Goku is a bad father People pretending GT is this complete abomination. Just so many things it never ends and it’s pretty Infuriating. It’s so weird that people who claim to be fans of the series have no idea what they’re talking about in regards to said series.
People don't only do this to overhyped characters, they also do that to downplay them That's what happened with the Moro galaxy lvl thing that people ran with without putting thought into it
Honestly, I had never heard of Dragon ball until I was a Marine in Japan. In 1997 I was introduced to it on tv over there. Had no idea what the characters were saying but it was kool. Came back stateside and it was hard to find here unless you went to the mall and bought subbed movies.
I have a lot of respect for you, for dealing with these idiots everyday and the fact that they’re being arrogant with the dumb stuff they’re saying makes it even more laughable, I couldn’t do it tbh, most of them are a bunch of kids and if they’re adults they have the mind of a kid.
I stopped debating on social media about everything in 2017. It's a waist of time and energy because ppl online are weird and get real disrespectful with unprovoked insults.
The problem isn’t people. People are smart enough to articulate a thought. The problem is the echo chamber the internet creates. The internet isn’t a person or collection of people. It’s a place where good and bad people talk and unfortunately, we focus too much on the bad because they are vocal and easy to gravitate to. That doesn’t mean that bad people don’t say stupid things that get us upset. It just means we give them too much of our time and focus when they don’t deserve it. Geekdom, you are a good person and there are others like you en mass. Focus on them and I truly hope you have a wonderful day.
Trust me , people aren’t smart to articulate a thought , I have been power scaling for like 3 years and there are people that just can’t get stuff in their head
The dumbest misunderstanding in dragon ball history for me is that people really take kid buu being dangerous because he’s fucking nuts means that he is stronger overall that buuhan which is literally buu stacked with a few of the strongest characters in the series at than point + the knowledge and intelligence to use that power+ his buu powers he already had prior. Shits weird man
I've been watching your videos for years and I'm a long time fan of Dragon Ball (20 years). Love what you do, the discussions you bring to the table, and how you keep it real with the facts and your PASSION for the series. Keep it up! 👍
I think a part of the problem is that there isn't and never was "a perfect way" to watch the show. as someone who grew up partially on my own country dub(we got the show directly from japan) and partially the funimation dub(cuz our dub took so many breaks between "seasons") I always wanted to go back to the show and watch it in japanese from DB to GT(I watched SUPER as it was airing in japan) but there isn't a single release in the west that is the best way to watch the show. in japan they have the dragonbox but funimation keeps crapping the releases so I kinda forced to wait until a proper way would be available so I guess that even if people would like to know more and rewatch the show the lack of means keeps them from doing so or make them turn to pirating and fansubs which I'm not the biggest fan of.
About the Goku or Vegeta beating Cell, I think it's just the fact they were able to damage him is why some fans think that they could kill Cell. Like if Goku or Vegeta mange to get a FULL direct hit on Cell without missing any part of him, would Cell die? But saying they were stronger than Cell is Bull$hit, that's like saying a skinny guy with a gun is stronger than a buff dude because the skinny guy killed him with a gun. We know if Cell went all out on those two, Cell would 100% be able to kill them without a problem.
While not confirmed I do think that Vegeta's Final Flash was powerful enough to kill Cell. The fact that the attack shocked him so much he needed to dodge at the last second says enough. The same also goes for Goku. If he didn't wait after blasting off Cell's upper body then he might have been able to kill Cell.
@@JACQUEZ23 That's your personal opinion not a confirmed fact. Personally I see no reason for Cell to fear the Final Flash and dodge it at the last second if he isn't in any danger of dying. You can agree to disagree not that it matters much.
I was 100% with you all the way up till the Gohan and piccolo part. Yes I’ll agree that Gohan is extremely fond and close with his father and yes it may be more of uncle type relationship with piccolo but after all the years that’s past and the numerous times piccolo sacrificed himself for Gohan and all the way up till super the way they team up I’d say that Gohan is closer to piccolo. All of that aside the thing that closes the deal for me was while facing world annihilation and forced to fight cell as a essentially a 11 year old when asked if he wanted to don the turtle gi like his father Gohan asked piccolo to wear the demon gi. Not saying piccolo was a better father figure or that Goku didn’t love his children even though he consciously made the decision to let both his sons die for hercule but there’s a special different bond between Gohan and Piccolo.
Not to mention that Goku was completely absent from Gohan's life (due to being dead) for almost half of the latter's childhood. He was dead for a year in the Saiyan saga and 7 between Cell and Buu, while Piccolo is around for Gohan. And in Super, all Goku seems to do is train, alone or with Vegeta and Whis, without Gohan, while Piccolo is shown to help around with the family. If we strictly focus on the 3 first arcs of Z, then I agree that Gohan's relationship with Goku was stronger than with Piccolo, but after that he has grown more distant from goku and closer to Piccolo
I still think goku & gohan have a close relationship too it's evident like when gohan wore the gi like his father in the buu & tournament of power as he has lots of respect for his dad (though just the anime strangely) & also when goku helped gohan with his Z sword training
Actually I think there's not enough time left to save everyone else before the earth exploded I don't think you should blame goku for that lol it was quick decision like hercule came first then he had to leave the earth & take whoever he saved to world of Kais via supreme kai's teleportation or else die with earth explosion
@@maganhassan2627 so basically you telling me my guy can teleport anywhere in the entire universe instantly but can’t cover what I assume was roughly a football field away for not just his children but trunks as well along with a lifelong ally piccolo but had time to make the decision that they are too far so grab whatever I can and chose Hercule?
Great video, I do agree in what you are saying here. I also do the same when I see people debating without actually evidence or knowledge of what they are talking about. I just ignored them and get out of the app.
@@cold_gamer675 Thing is though Vegeta has surpassed Goku multiple times already so what are you and the other guy who made this comment on about? Lols
- Gokufans: Goku The King! - Me = Vegetafans: yeah? Hmm Goku trains with Gods since OG DB + almost 10 years in DBZ...What if Vegeta just casually got it too? Where is ya'alls MC then? - Trashbin: cuz Goku rrelevant😅😂😂😂🤣🤣
I think there's a stark difference between Dragon Ball fans, and Dragon Ball Z fans. I think Dragon Ball fans look at the franchise as a whole, and can appreciate the great moments from all of it, OG, Z, GT and Super. They understand the problems with each series and the source material, and are willing to accept and discuss them. They appreciate the care and attention to detail that Toriyama put into his characters, his world, his comedy and his action. Dragon Ball Z fans, I think, are kind of stuck in the Z era of the franchise. They seem to have tunnel vision views of what the DB franchise is and should be; if it deviates from how Z did things, it's bad, but if it's too similar to how Z did things... it's also bad. The most important thing to these fans is what they grew up with, and anything else doesn't measure up. I appreciate all types of fans of this franchise... but I think we need more Dragon Ball fans in this community.
@@ChiefMedicPururu some, yeah. I've seen some Z fans claim that the OG is boring, or somehow 'lesser' for not having Saiyans (they'll almost always cite Vegeta's sacrifice, or Gohan going ssj2) or powers that can wipe out planets, or that the OG is 'more childish' for leaning heavily into comedy... despite Dragon Ball starting out as comedy-focused action-adventure manga. You'll almost never here these guys talk about Tien's, Krillin's or Piccolo's character arcs... unless it's related to Gohan in some way. For a lot of (but not all) Z fans, power levels and plot twists (or 'drama' as they call it) are more important than variety of power and character development. These are the fans who will insist that, "X character can't beat Y character because they aren't strong enough...", which I think misses the point of Dragon Ball entirely. Its not entirely their fault though... there are only 4 story arcs in Dragon Ball Z, and 2 of those arcs are the Cell and Buu arcs... they're just forming their opinions based on the part of the franchise they have the most experience with, since a lot of these fans haven't actually read or watched the OG either.
He literally got a bunch of Negative Feedback on his latest Manga Review & didn't mind it at all, he just hates Stupid Comments which I saw myself & they were dumb while most were very Reasonable/Civil that he humbly welcomed.
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 he minded it cause he made a video about it. Bro he’s known for being a massive d at times over the years. U can cover for his bs but I’m not
Dude said he is never wrong i seem to remember him claiming the Anime was returning in July 2019 and we are almost in 2022 and not a word about the anime.
I feel you on going back to have another watch. With that being said, you constantly say Vegeta says Broly gets stronger as he fights when he actually says Broly's LEARNING as he fights.
Maybe, though it would have been a far more reckless affair as it would have boiled down to landing a key attack. And should that fail, Cell would have ended things.
I really dont think how much power someone has matters at this point. The granola arc brought it back with the most powerful person in the universe wish, but the series has always been about experience except in the granola arc
Cell being stronger than gohan during the finale is something I hear people argue but goku being stronger than cell that I'm puzzled because its directly shown during cell fighting gohan that he didn't stand a chance
About Cell : I’m not sure what episode it was but cell mentioned to future Trunks “You clearly poses the power higher than mine but you will never beat me” Trunks : “what logic is that” So I can see why the fandom might respond to you when you say none of the can kill cell. When in actuality they all were possessed power enough to beat cell, but because cell attributes were higher in other areas is why the thought of it possibly happening is highly unlikely.
Cell had more speed/skill/etc; raw strength/etc alone doesn't always win fights. The fight with Goku in contrast had Goku being even or better in skill than cell, but weaker in other areas, thus Goku was giving his all while Cell wasn't.
Another video where you indirectly make yourself the victim within 3 minutes lol. Here is the thing, no fan is an expert on the series...none. The only people who can weigh in with 100% accuracy on intent and just how powerful they are is the creator(s). Aside from that, all we are doing as fans are educated guesses. This is why I hate people who think they are "Scalers" or "debators". Who is actually checking behind you that is the true expert to say this is true or false? So yes, you and most of the people who believe they know it all are arrogant. At this point you are partly responsible for the toxic behavior that you are attempting to call out. It just is what it is.
I agree, I've tried debating with someone who actually believes that ssj2 gohan from the cell games could beat ssj2 cabba from the ToP there is just no point in trying at this point😑😑
Yeah whoever says that is dumb thats basically saying base cell saga gohan = base vegeta as vegeta stated him and cabba were evenly matched in base form
@@edwardjones1482 and the funny thing is….it’s not only dragon ball , besides comic book fans ( fro some reason idk ) , EVERY OTHER FANBASE ( especially power scaling ) has its bad bad bad people
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 I’ve even had a twitch streamer and a bunch of people watching her try to tell me that goku has never lost a fight lmao I was like have you guys seen dragon ball or read the manga
Great video! Couldn’t agree more. I noticed you displayed like 4 classic pic arts that I haven’t seen since the 3rd grade. I used to print those pics out and had a collection in my art book. Man you took me all the way back ✊🏾
I like your points Geekdom. Completely right in my opinion about power scaling.. however, There are several instances in dragon ball when a weaker fighter beat the stronger fighter. Now for one reason or another they could be cheap wins but saying Goku couldn’t have beat Cell is a little far to me. I would love to get opinions but I think it’s a bigger stretch for Goku to beat Kid buu than Cell? You have to consider the times when people get power boosts during fights or when someone gets their tail cut off in battle(lol) or when people are just straight clutch like when Goku beating Kririn lol. Some jokes but my point is that it happens even in big moments for odd reasons. It’s dragon ball.
Right. Piccolo defeated Raditz, despite having a weaker power level. Krillins destructo disk has posed a lethal threat to fighters much stronger than him. And I agree with you that the gap in power between Goku and Perfect Cell (at the time) was smaller than the gap between Goku and Kid Buu (at the time). And to use the "Goku held Raditz still" defense would be to suggest that Super Vegeta would have killed Cell if he couldn't move at the last moment, which is precisely what Geekdom does NOT believe. Does staying in one spot cut your power in half (lol)? OR they could default to the "Cell can regenerate" argument, which is not a power level feat. Your logic is sound. But hey, I guess we have the wrong opinions. Ya gotta read the japanese manga at least 4 times before ya can use common sense, I guess.
Sadly I highly doubt people outside of this group who enjoy your content to soak up information including myself will ever use their head (ha) to think logically before they speak. Even more sadly that stuff is everywhere, people make up their head cannons to justify their dumb arguments without any facts to back it up. It's just not worth debating anymore. Debates supposed to be somewhat fun and engaging to get perspective, these days "my opinion is the only thing that matters and I'm right" not allowing people to be wrong and learn from it
Another thing is that DBZ has changed alot over the years, and there are plenty of crossover series. Characters like Zeno, Zalama, Ultra Ego Vegeta, SSG, etc have been around long before DBS.
It’s crazy how I subscribed to geekdom back when I was 12, he had 18k subs. Now I’m 17 and he 700k!! It’s nice to see your fav RUclipsrs get the recognition and love they deserve as time passes by
That is true, have you read a fan manga Dragon Ball Multiverse? If you heard of it that’s fine , if you not, than I’m okey with it and I can give some explanation and I know it’s just a fan manga, so there are some fans who hates a Character, named Son Bra, Vegito’s daughter in this fan manga, and they give so much unfair criticism to Son Bra, while they give so much excuses to Vegito, saying stuff “oh, they are writing Vegito badly”. “Son Bra should be dead because she is an another Broly and Vegito made a right choice to decide to kill her, because she is evil and she doesn’t care about her family and she had never regret anything at all.” The anti Bra people, are awful, and Vegito to me, he was even a worse father than Vegeta and Goku, who should’ve known that his daughter just lost control, in ssj2, the haters misunderstood the context of this situation.
@@nishchayjain1121 I read quite a lot of multiverse a few years ago when I was like 10 or 11 but I've been rereading it and I actually just don't like Bra because I never liked her in GT lol I guess I'm just biased against her but now that I'm older I'm gonna give the multiverse story and characters more of a chance
@@nishchayjain1121 I mean, Vegito never interested me in the anime so I guess my thoughts are neutral. I'm not too far into rereading so that could change
I’ve always thought of myself as knowledgeable about the dragon ball series but watching your videos has taken my knowledge to the next level for sure and I’m grateful for that. Your also right how so many people just don’t truly understand dragon ball and they call themselves fans. Like people who watched DBZ but not OG DB.
There are so many people who will argue that a certain character is stronger just because they are fans of that character. People will say stuff like Goku was stronger than Gohan, or and stupid things like that just because they are fanboys or fangirls. They put their favoritism forward as arguments rather than actual logic, which makes me so frustrated. And no matter how much proof you show them, they won't accept it.
U should see the DB hate train on tiktok made up of ppl who watched Kai as kids and watched a chunk of Super. Constant videos of ppl not knowing what they are talking about.
The people commenting that you are misunderstanding Vegeta because they can’t accept someone just doesn’t like him accepting death against Granola for almost no reason don’t understand Vegeta’s character at all.
I'm at the stage of Fandom where I know just how much I don't know. This is why I watch videos like this, and that Blackscpe guy that commented before me. Keep up the great work Geekdom, and don't change lol.
They were so confident while saiyng that babidy unlocked Ssj2 out of Vegeta, or Goku Ssj3 was stronger than Super Buu, Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks at that time
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 I never said that kid buu was weaker than Ssj3, indeed I think he's stronger but at least goku could keep up with him. but if goku had gone up against super buu, the fight would have been over before the beginning. Goku himself had stated this while talking to vegeta in buu's body, saying that even by saving the three abosrbed they wouldn't have been able to beat him without the fusion. Plus after fighting against Fat buu he even said that 2 warriors more powerful than him would've arrived soon in fact he was referring to gotenks even before entering the HTC and reaching ssj3. sorry I haven't written all this for you but if anyone wants to have a debate please read this before starting.
I like this video. I've been waiting for some criticism to the fandom, which really really deserves it 😂 Consider making a video such as "What if RUclips was what it is today but back in the 90's and we watched DBZ". I often ask myself that question, specially when I see some people critizing things in Super while ignoring that such things happened as well in Z (which they highlight as a perfect flawless serie).
I mean I like the more emotional or slice of life ones tbh. There are just too many what if x turned good at this point and bad power scaling in AUs but its admittedly hard as a writer
That's another problem the Fandom has ive come across so many people that want the Canon story to be like a fan fic most fan fiction be more about the fighting then the actual Canon story do and they want it to be exactly like that trash story with a bunch of fighting
Guys can we be serious for a moment here. I'm 28 now and i rewatched og dragonball as well as dbz not kai multiple times during the last 5 years or so. Og Dragonball i would say is still very watchable but Z no man. Just try watching a few episodes it just drags on forever. Everything takes an eternity and that is the honest truth.
I think when folks say that goku could have beat cell they were getting at the fact that he was so busy training gohan and still had time to go back in the chamber but chose not to.
Yea, but then u realized that vegeta was spending all his training time on himself instead of with trunks YET still ended up weaker than goku who does have a training partner.
You are right @Geekdom101 it can be very difficult to have conversations about Dragon Ball with Dragon Ball fans. People become so strongly opinionated and it quickly turns aggressive. Like you say though you can't fix stupid. Theres some truth to that.
this reminds me of people saying "Perfect Cell is DEFINITELY stronger than Grade 3 Trunks" just from watching Geekdom's video on the subject that didn't prove anything.
Goku was much stronger than ssj1 grade 3 trunks and perfect cell was matching him while still holding Back his full power as was shown when he went full power against ssj2 gohan
With such things, it's harder to tell due to the various factors, but I would argue in general skill, Cell left Trunks in the dust, easily enough to negate whatever raw power advantage U2SSJ had. In contrast, Goku may have been Cell beat in skill (but was outmatched in other areas)
I feel like the online fandom is much more informed than they used to be. That’s in large part cause of you Geekdom. Of course there will always be click bait garbage, and bad wiki pages, and just dumb ignorant man children, but it’s not getting worse.
@@PotentSenzu Just cuz a majority of your fanbase tells you something doesn't mean it's right. But either way, the difference between people who misunderstand and have a different opinion on DB is that the people who misunderstand act like that is fact or they know stuff. Geekdom was able to actually listen to the other side. Saying a different opinion is always just a misunderstanding just discourages discussion and is dumb when nothing is objective. Geekdom was just looking at it from a different POV which lead him to a different conclusion.
@@PotentSenzu again the majority of people saying something doesnt mean its true. This video is literally about this how most people dont understand DB. Also he did say he didn't like it lol.
@@PotentSenzu Well, it is a kid show since in Japan they fine against, blood and some little nudity, dragon ball manga is even towards after young boys because it's "shounen" It's just that when Dragon ball came to America they made it adult only just because they hate blood.
I have spoken to a few people who me, like myself who we go to get educated on dragonball in everyone say you first geekdom101. Do I agree with everything you say? No, but 90% of it. There are others, but you have the top spot with your videos(unrealengame is pretty cool to). But your the standard!
I just want to say, @SeththeProgrammer is more than a power scaler and he knows a strength progression of a character in a story like how he did a video called "The Strength Of Son Goku". And the same thing goes for @Chuck (The Cyber Cuck).
I enjoyed even the small things that happen in the dragon ball story it’s the little things in my opinion that bring interest in this world that make it very special to me and probably a lot other people
2016 Dragon Ball RUclips was an awesome era for the fandom. So much fun and nostalgia looking at those old videos. Some many faces come and gone. What an era.
What a year huh?
Blackenfist & Quaaman
2016 and 2017 were the best
I agree.
Yes! Especially when Episode 66 came out. Everyone and thier dads, literal different communities in the fanbase, GT fans, Super fans, Gogeta fans, Vegeito fans etc all came together and said.
What a *GARBAGE* episode.
Dragon Ball is weirdly one of the most misconceived franchises out there because people really want to hype up the feats and experiences of their favorite characters
true, even though its one of the most straightforward and easy t understand shows, people overcomplicate for some reason.
@@hunterkudo9832 dragon ball laughs at 27.7 billion dollar media franchise.
@@hunterkudo9832 they either over complicate shit or just don’t think about shit
@@MRTPlays756 what does that have to do with anything they stated ?
Well some of it doesn't make sense. For example, gohan went from being the strongest to being the weakest in the first few episodes. How weak was he? We don't know. Then he trains with piccolo and he is able to keep up with ssb goku. Even if you say goku is holding back, it is still impossible to pin point gohans strength. Then gohan makes a statement saying he would surpass goku with a different form. IT NEVER HAPPENS. So gohan was wasted potential but till this day. No one knows how strong he is. I mean he destroyed other universes with ease
I swear I’m tired of people misunderstanding Dragon Ball, at this point idk if they just want to hate on the show or are just lazy to analyze
I'd say people are overanalyzing the crap out of this franchise. They watch it with "Cowboy Bebop" eyes and end up disappointed with the "lack of depth" when it's not supposed to be deep. It's just a Hong Kong martial arts film on crack.
@@teddybeer6206 It has it's deep moments, it's just they are simple. It is a simple story and simple doesn't mean bad.
I dont care but something should be straight
Like beerus can be beaten
Vegeta deserves more wins
Gohan still got go be strong
And I feel like also a lot of people don't understand how strong is Goku there's a couple people I know saying that he's not that strong and I'm like bruh
it’s because you DB stans take the series more seriously than even Toriyama, trying to proclaim that it’s this super deep, amazingly written series.
Much like Star Wars fans, Dragon Ball fans greatly misunderstand the very franchise they’re apparently a fan of.
Sometimes I wonder if we’re watching the same shit 😂
@@Nikketmzee Same.
At least with Star Wars, I can understand that people come out of it with a different point of view and that it’s such a big franchise that there’s different kind of fans, people who are OT purists, Prequels fans, Sequels fans (yes we do exist), people who got into the series through KOTOR, etc.
Dragon Ball not so much, there’s a lot of stupid
@@RiderNexus wait , there are sequel fans ? Oh boy get out 🚪👈
Jk
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 At least you joked about it, unfortunately we’re treated the same way Prequel fans were being treated back in the 2000’s
And some by Prequel fans themselves
The whole point of dragon ball is that goku is a low level like sun wukong and he becomes a god and proves everyone wrong and becomes the best 💯
I mostly agree with you. Dragon Ball is the story of Goku and how he started out “low level”(by Saiyan standards) but through hard work and dedication eventually became a literal god. I don’t completely agree with the proving everyone wrong part. There definitely were moments where Goku proves people wrong about what they think about him, a main example being Vegeta thinking Goku is just weak low class warrior who could never beat him but Goku through his own hard work becomes much stronger to him to point where he unlocks the power of the Super Saiyan which was just a myth and legend that no one was sure actually existed. I don’t think that’s part of main of Dragon Ball as a whole though. I think the main point about Dragon Ball is by never giving up, and with giving your all with hard work and dedication you can overcome seemingly impossible odds and achieve anything you can dream of. I say Dragon Ball’s story is just as much about Goku’s desire to always push himself not only to be strong enough for his next enemy/opponent but to actually learn from his enemies he fights. Fighting is Goku’s passion. He does it just as much for fun as he does to protect his friends and family. I think SethTheProgrammer says it best in his “The Story of Goku” video.
@@Mindwipe96 I kinda disagree since at first Goku wasn't even a Saiyan just some monkey kid, so I feel like the whole point of db is the pursuit of happiness and improving oneself from the day before
@@young_shaad5227 you've hit the nail on the head. Remember Roshi's instructions to Goku and Krillin during their training together, when they were resting on those hammocks? I think that's Dragon Ball in a nutshell.
This comment is just so wrong
@@Schizo_Ty goku proves everyone wrong w his power he’s always fighting “the strongest” but he proves everyone wrong when he proves his power and raises it thus proving every villain wrong
This reminds me of when people say “kid buu is stronger than buuhan”
Bro thank you
i still dont know the answer to this lmao, so much arguing back and forth
Buuhan was going to destroy the universe screaming
@@TH0UX4N Think about it this way, kid buu seems more powerful because he has no control. He’s basically a raging toddler with immense power that can’t be reasoned with. He destroyed the earth just because he felt like it and toyed with goku and vegeta as he fought them even though they were powerful individuals. Super buu absorbed humans, so he has more emotional intelligence and can be reasoned with. But this still doesn’t change the fact that not only did Super buu absorb gotenks, he absorbed piccolo (an incredibly intelligent fighter) gotenks fused, and gohan who at the time is relative or more powerful than SSJ3 Goku. To even stand a chance goku and vegeta had to fuse. Buuhan is absolutely ridiculous in terms of power and only Vegito at the time could stop him. Now take kid buu. He has no one absorbed. He’s buu in his purest form, although he’s still incredibly powerful. What makes him so strong is like i mentioned before how unreasonable and dangerous he is, and the fact that he has infinite stamina. If SSJ3 didn’t take so much energy Goku probably would’ve had an easier time with him. Kid Buu also had Goku and Vegeta’s arrogance on his side. Had they fused again we would’ve saw something very similar to the previous Vegito fight. It would’ve been an insane stomp. So while Kid Buu may seem more dangerous, Buuhan just had more powerful people absorbed, and a better mind for strategy.
Kid Buu is just spontaneous and unchained e.g. him blowing himself up on multiple occasions, Buuhan on the other hand is more calculated and thinks prior to making a move,
Dragon Ball is very the misunderstood in the general public and even in the fandom. That's why it's awesome that there's people like Geekdom that have a platform to clear up these misunderstandings.
I always thought the Goku bad dad jokes were corny and didn’t make much sense.
It doesn’t make sense because people don’t understand his character he’s a sayain and sayain s love to fight .of course he cares about his son and he’s done things with gohan
Facts
But loving your son and being a good father figure are two separate things. You can love your child more than anything in the world but if you teach them the wrong things or always encourage the worst possible behaviors then you are a bad dad I don't care how much you love him. He's not the best father figure in the world but that is because he grew up without one for so long. But the bad dad jokes aren't about if Goku loves Gohan
@@michaeldancyii9901 bruh. blame fucking chi chi. what's the point of school when your the worlds strongest man? simple basics. you just need to know on how to live. education does not mean anything if it blocks your own ambition since it just rates your own intelligence and not give you actual education.
@@michaeldancyii9901 we aren’t calling Goku the most perfect father ever, but to sit here and call him an absolute horrible father, it’s just idiotic, the memes about dragon ball “fans” not actually watching the franchise, prove it to be true 💀
So I’ve been power scaling franchises for a couple years now, I have someone who’s been doing it for almost a decade, he lets me know feats, actual tiers for characters since we go by VsBattle’s Tier Template, but we don’t take VBW’s word for where they place characters in their tier (because it’s well known for how biased they are), and this video with Geekdom saying you can’t fix stupid and debating is pointless, I can FULLY agree with. Debating is a pointless thing when it comes to power scaling or some dumb theory like “Cell was stronger than Gohan” when no lol, Gohan just needed to stop doubting himself during that Kamehameha clash and really unleash his full power. The Dragon Ball community really does need to kinda “mature” itself from these dumb theories or debates that drags on to either someone playing the victim card or a roast session. Dragon Ball is one of the first series I love, and I’ll continue to love, but Jesus Christ.
I mean there is an argument for cell being stronger but if he was it wouldn't be by much.
Ok….I don’t want to be that guy…..but gohan put his full power into that blast and cell was just struggling, if vegeta didn’t distract cell I don’t think gohan could get the win , also it’s a shame we didn’t see a two handed gohan vs super perfect cell because that way we could see who is truly stronger
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 This has been debunked over and over and over. In no way was Cell stronger than Gohan. It was literally said multiple times Gohan was holding back the whole time.
@@Summit900 gohan was holding back but that doesn't mean he was stronger. Some guides say cell is the strongest at that time.
You got people walking around thinking Mermaids are real and Atlantis existed despite it only being relevant in one of Plato's dramas.
People will never mature.
I do wonder how things would’ve played out if Gohan killed Cell immediately after transforming but I guess Krillin wouldn’t have a wife lol
In another DBZ multiverse 🤔
They did resurrect 17, so 18 would have benefited as well.
They would've been revived lol
Krillin would marry chichi , chichi is good for krrilin and Goku would marry bulma and begeta would marry frieza and beerus would marry bulla and whis would marry vados..nice right
While i agree that Goku wasnt a bad father to Gohan and that they did have an actual connection (regardless of how much Goku was out of commission ON SCREEN), I do think Piccolo matters to Gohan nearly as much as his mom and dad, namely in Dragon Ball Super.
I just feel like you might be selling his friendship with Piccolo a little short is all.
By the time of Super, Gohan has spent nearly as much if not more time with Piccolo than with Goku. Goku is dead for one year after fighting Raditz, and then seven years after Cell, while Piccolo was around for most of that time. And after coming back to life Goku spends most of his time training, first alone, then with Whis and Vegeta, while Piccolo hangs out with Gohan and helps him with his family life. Geekdom101 seems to completely ignore the period after Cell and only focus on the first arcs of Z
I agree that Goku's bad parenting is being overblown by the fandom, but there is some truth to it because Goku was dead for almost half of Gohan's childhood, and Gohan's bond with Piccolo is very strong
@@exantiuse497 during the 7 years timeskip & after it did gohan & piccolo hang out so much? I ain't talking about dragon ball super here
That happened alot "Gokus a bad father" "piccolo raised gohan" and my favorite SSJ3 Son Goku could beat Majin buu"
Ssj3 Goku, when dead was stronger than fat Buu. At least that's what Goku says, right?
@@Jimatron9000 id say he was stronger when dead! Cause his body wouldn’t have limits or at least not as many. He only had to worry about using up his earth time
@@yukikid2195 Exactly!
I’d say goku was stronger in ss3 than fat buu, but he couldn’t beat buu due too his regeneration and how short the time he could keep the form up. Stronger doesn’t always mean ur gonna win.
I have a friend who will always say this immediately and repeatedly ''Goku bad dad'' if anyone even refrince mentions or breaths anything dragon ball
did you know that two out of three saiyans will experience some form of male pattern baldness before they turn 35? if you're starting to look like nappa but you would rather have long spikey hair like goku, you can do something now by trying out Dragon Ball keepZ. you can talk to Dr. Brief and he'll prescribe the right senzu beans for you, then instant transmission it to your home discretely once a year when the dragon balls regain their power.
Unpopular opinion: db is DEEPER than what people realize
true. The parts about Gohan's upbringing and Vegeta's character are very deep
That's true, but at the same time it just felt more shallow as time goes on. Take a look at the recent arc and as of now the new villain is just shallow. So shallow that his motive makes him look dumb rather than justifiably angry.
Dragon Ball explains itself in the most basic way. I've never understood how people get confused.
For the most part yes, however at the same time it leaves much to talk about. Let's get real, Toriyama is not the best writer in the world, he doesn't care much about consistency or powerscaling. Also like in real life there are just things that make you wonder 'what if' cuz not literally everything has to be explained. I'm not talking about dumb people claiming SSJ Stage 3 Future Trunks was able to beat Cell.... but some topics which make sense to be explained, for instance: could full powered SSJ3 Goku beat Buu or who is stronger - Super Buu or Kid Bu. That's why we love this channel.
I used to enjoy the Goku bad father jokes in DBZA a lot, but when people started taking that as gospel, I got really annoyed, and what's worse is their cognitive dissonance. I don't even enjoy the jokes as much as I should anymore. Sad Reality.
People out here saying dbza is the best version of z WHILE NOT HAVING WATCHED Z TO BEGIN WITH !
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Yeah, it annoys me too.
Yeah you have no idea, I'm glad Saiyan Scholar made a video about the whole "Goku is a Bad Dad!?" Shlock and SOMEONE in the comments had the audicity to say that "If Akira Toriyama says that Goku is a Bad Dad it's CANON, Deal with it!"... so by that logic, Path To Power (the 4th OG Dragon Ball Movie) should be "Canon" just because Toriyama always intended to have Bulma with Purple Hair (in the movie I mentioned she has Purple Hair). Geekdom is right people like that don't think much & take it for granted (by the way the dude's name was 'God Almighty', what a pretentious username).
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 that guy is an absolute clown.
btw u cud have just said Death of the Author, and his entire arguement is equivalent to pig's sht.
(Death of the Author means the Author's intepretation holds no special value ahead of the reader's intepretation. Intepretation is based on the book/fiction only and nothing more).
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 true, and they are the people who make the most incompetent noise and take dbza as absolute canon and gospel.
Also the whole "all they do is power up and scream for 3 episodes straight" that people for some reason always bring up only ever happened once for ssj3 goku and there it was because the transformation was emphasis was on the transformation and power of goku, not his fight against Majin Bū.
@@anthonychase6906 Memes have kinda ruined Dragon Ball if you ask me, or atleast it's reputation. People think it's this repetitive(I mean it is to some extent),boring and cliche story when they don't realize that alot of the tropes in shounen anime CAME from Dragon Ball itself.
It doesnt even take 5 seconds to charge a Kamehameha yet people still got the audacity to say "It takes 5 episodes" because of Goku's SSJ3 transformation which was supposed to be shown as the strongest form EVER.
@@anthonychase6906 To be fair the pacing in the original Z was atrocious at times. Sure, screaming for 5 episodes is a massive overstatement, but there were some episodes which barely moved the plot forward. Kai has much better pacing and is better to watch.
@@anthonychase6906 Yeah, exactly. It's not about screaming for 15 minutes, it's about those 10-15 seconds every now and then which add up. Some episodes of Z just feel completely pointless as they just don't advance the plot enough.
@@anthonychase6906 yeah thats the real problem. Thats on toei though for trying to drag out the runtime for tv
@@Xeno574 fr who would want a show where the pacing is so slow 😂
I wouldn't really say Dragonball is a kids show when there is Nudity, Cuss words, Blood, Killing etc. Plus it was on adult swim
Yeah but for Japan, it's a kid show. Plus the Manga audience target is for young boys.
The reason why I like this channel so much is because you know what you’re talking about it’s so hard to have a decent discussion about DB without it becoming a huge argument
But there’s no need for a huge argument to be made , that’s the thing , people are over here making their own stuff up and sometimes stating their opinions as facts
E.x : gt vs super : whatever you prefer IMO dbs is slightly better
How strong goku is : people say he is low multi , but I don’t buy it mostly because the multiplayer on the transformations are way to high ( if his base is universal then why isn’t ssj goku a multi universe buster ? And mui goku something ridiculously stronger ? )
Dbs is bad : not really dbs gets way too much hate IMO it definitely isn’t as bad as people make it out to be
Agreed, there's the whole SSJ4 (variations included) vs SSG, SSGSS (variations included) argument on who is stronger between the two, Gogeta vs Mui Goku, Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta vs their Super Counterparts, Broly vs Jiren, one side agrees, the other disagrees, game feats are brought in with manga, anime and movie feats, back and forth discussion between either party and then boom ground zero
4 minutes into a video called “Misunderstanding Dragon Ball” and this dude is winning power level arguments in his head
6 minutes in and holy shit he is still doing it
now 8 minutes
feel bad for u
Couldn't agree more with one of the first things you said... "People tend to play follow the leader instead of thinking for themselves"
Sums up America easily.
More like a lot of humanity in general.
@@ChiefMedicPururu normies be like : ( not you )
You know thinking about it, wouldn't it be better to think of Gohan and Piccolo relationship as brothers? They are very close age wise, and Piccolo is basically a uncle to Pan so..
Yeah, since in a way, Gohan and Piccolo were/are best friends. It's just that Piccolo matured faster, and trained before Gohan, so he was a mentor before developing a friendship with him.
There is alot of "I don't understand this. Its stupid." attitudes in this franchise when it comes to subjects in Dragon Ball that are very easy to understand and without having to overthinking much. The moment people stop saying something is stupid because they "dont" understand it, i think everyone will understand Dragon Ball better. Dragon Ball or any other franchise we love because we have to always seek a standard of reason, information that is the truth and we are protected from the lies.
Like some people think ul gogeta would get clapped by beerus in one shot I said this for example tho but how could someone one shot someone of FUSION that powerful well not counting angels also people in Instagram underestimate fusion's sooo much when I see those idiotic comments I get mad and close the app lol I used to fight but I think its useless
Tbh I am 14 years old and I understand better than some people in insta
"Piccolo is more like Gohan's favorite uncle"
That's a really good way of putting it.
I always watched him as his mentor or teacher.
To a lesser extent, the anime proved what you're saying around the 6:00 mark. In the episodes leading into the Cell Games, when Goku and Gohan were hanging out in super sayian form, Krillin nailed an unaware Goku in the head with a rock. Doesn't mean Krillin is stronger, or that Goku is weak to rocks. Just shows that anyone, no matter how powerful, can be caught off guard
People really don't realize that after freeza goku has not beaten anyone by himself.
Goku never beaten anyone without help even freeza he won because krillin die but I give him that
I mean technically, even friza wasn’t alone. The end was but the entirety of the fight wasn’t. He wasn’t even there in the beginning.
I give him that W only because he was the only one to go toe to toe and finished him off at the end by himself. I
People also say that Goku "always wins" like fam, have they not watched the series or have they simply forgotten it?
Goku lost to Vegeta 100% back in the Saiyan Saga, Goku genuinely lost. Unlike his battle against Majin Vegeta, because that one was kind of cheating.
Goku beat Freeza fair and square, that's for sure.
Goku never fought the Androids, and he forfeit against Cell, though he would've lost anyway.
Goku didn't beat any version of Buu except for Kid Buu, even then he had to use the Spirit Bomb, which technically isn't even his own energy.
In Super? Oh boy.
Goku lost to Beerus, Won against Freeza(Seeing a pattern here), Lost to Goku Black and Zamasu, and sort of won against Jiren. He then got his ass kicked by Moro for the majority of the arc, He got the win in the end but even that win was given to him thanks to, you guessed it, ENERGY FROM OTHERS.
And as far as we've seen with the Granolah Arc, Goku has done nothing but get absolutely pummeled, even Vegeta of all people is doing better than he is.
Vegeta has won almost every encounter he's been in since his introduction in Z. Won against Goku, killed and defeated Cui, Dodoria,Zarbon and Guldo, Android 19, beat up Cell for a bit before he went Perfect, beat Golden Freeza for a while before he blew up the planet, beat Frost, Magetta, beat up Goku Black and Zamasu for a bit, beat the Danger De Trio(Albeit Goku was helping), beat Toppo, beat Moro for a bit, and now in the Granolah arc, he seems to still be on top.
As you can see, Goku has taken way more Ls then Vegeta has. But of course the Fanboys wouldn't accept that.
I wanna see geekdom do a video on this topic. Vegeta deserves way more respect then he's really givin
This is something you creators should take to heart aswell, but not about power scaling. but when coming to judging the story, so many of you creators are misunderstanding, forgetting the context, the underlying story, reading between the lines and understanding the author. should go both ways to make all the "fans" get the right information, right?
Geekdom the whole anime community is like this bro you should see some of these Naruto people saying crazy shit it’s even worse. Dragon ball is so simple idk how people can get so confused and so stubborn about power scaling. Literally just watching it alone is enough to discern most everything you need to know
Piccolos is only 4 years older then gohan
So many misconceptions are based on weird lines in the English dub. On the blu-ray sets you can watch the English dub with subtitles and the subtitles are for the Japanese dialogue. Usually if something doesn’t make sense, reading the subtitles clears it up. Or you can just watch kai which is a much more faithful translation.
When Goku and Gohan went to the HTC to train to fight cell, anyone with a brain could tell Goku cared deeply about Gohan. Not counting the filler scenes where he spent time with Gohan as he should as Gohan's father. You hit the nail in the head Danny 👌💯
I am currently watching entire dragon ball Japanese dub , Its an awesome experience to watch right from Dragon ball to Super including GT .
Good.
Finally someone that doesn’t want to prove that super is better than gt or the opposite
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Me, I like both.
@@ChiefMedicPururu same.
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 Nothing is better or worse..it's all part of Dragon ball experience which we all need to feel.
Most people have neither watched the series from start(DB) nor have they watched it in original version (JP)
Yeah because why would you wanna watch a fighting show where people that can literally destroy planets and even stars sound like a bunch of prepubescent 10 year old boys when you could watch it in your own native language with voice acting that actually fit the characters
@@ChodyRay It wasn't a fighting show to begin with. It was an adventure. Fighting was one the parts of the show. Also, comedy
@@ChodyRay because the Dub is not accurate, example I Am Speech of Goku in the Dub was like as if Goku was Super Man
They think the Saiyan arc is the beginning and what came before was a spin-off.
@@JAZ-101. Dude you do realize that the sub is not always accurate as well right especially when there's lost translation from the manga or wrong wording. It sounds better in dub because bit makes more sense and sounds really menacing to the characters
What annoys me the most in the fandom is the war between each part of the series (as in, you can only like DBZ, no GT or Super, for exemple). And dipshits who try to force their opinion down your throat and act like victims when you refuse.
Also, the ones who act like the past was perfect but following series "ruined everything".
Indeed "Piccolo is Gohan's true father" is cringe as hell
Also...a LOT of the misunderstanding comes from the inaccuracy of the original FUNimation dub. I know a lot of people are fond of it and cherish it but that original dub was very misleading (Bardock being a brilliant scientist, Freeza saying he'll copy the Namekians' regenerative abilities after watching Nail regrow his arm).
Another aspect is people thinking DBZ is the start and kid Goku's adventures are considered a spin-off or some shit.
TFS also...
TFS DBZA as well bro. As great as it was and I loved it, it ruined alot of the aspects of series. People genuinely say that they can't watch the original anymore. They pushed the Stupid Goku personality so much that it's now canon to people, as well as Gohan hating Goku and Piccolo being considered Gohan's father.
People also think Goku suffered from brain damage, he didn't. I guess he sort of did but he only lost his memories of the Saiyans, his mission and lost his violent and evil nature. His naivete comes from the fact that he lives in the woods for many years before Bulma came along.
@@Xeno574 I agree. People like mistaking Goku's naivete for stupidity. And yes, the TFS production, while funny, was taken WAY too seriously by many fans...
Yeah
The Bardock being a scientist thing wasn't from funimation that was Ocean.
I think a lot of people hold onto assumptions that they made when they last saw the series which is typically when they were a child and they do not bother to refresh themselves before arguing their takes
Re-watch it in JAPANESE WITH SUBTITLES. This is key, totally different delivery and feels more mature and serious. Character development is 10x better
Goku with a Girl voice is definitely not going to make anything more mature or serious lol
@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 the dialogue is more proper/ less stupid. If you gave it a shot you’d see
With what subtitles, man? That's the whole point - if you don't speak Japanese you can be sure any translation you have is not synced with the original Japanse version....
Yes I agree the Spanish and English dubs have changed so much the originally dialog and that it can drastically change the story and get characters wrong
Completely agree. As someone who debates and studies the series, both narratively and the scaling. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen shit like:
SSJ2 Cabba Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan
Kid Buu Vs Buuhan
Majin Vegeta is stronger than Goku
Goku is a bad father
People pretending GT is this complete abomination.
Just so many things it never ends and it’s pretty Infuriating. It’s so weird that people who claim to be fans of the series have no idea what they’re talking about in regards to said series.
People don't only do this to overhyped characters, they also do that to downplay them
That's what happened with the Moro galaxy lvl thing that people ran with without putting thought into it
Honestly, I had never heard of Dragon ball until I was a Marine in Japan. In 1997 I was introduced to it on tv over there. Had no idea what the characters were saying but it was kool. Came back stateside and it was hard to find here unless you went to the mall and bought subbed movies.
I have a lot of respect for you, for dealing with these idiots everyday and the fact that they’re being arrogant with the dumb stuff they’re saying makes it even more laughable, I couldn’t do it tbh, most of them are a bunch of kids and if they’re adults they have the mind of a kid.
Geekdom needs to make a db is hated cause it’s popular and how new fans think if it came out today it wouldn’t be as popular as today
It's hated bc how overrated this franchise is and if dbz came out in today's anime it wouldn't be as popular.
I stopped debating on social media about everything in 2017. It's a waist of time and energy because ppl online are weird and get real disrespectful with unprovoked insults.
I’m already bald, jokes on your sponsor.
That is hilarious and depressing, I'd call it deprarious.
This ought to be good. Thoughts after I finish.
So having finished. I certainly see where you're coming from in this video.
I certainly see where you see where he's coming from
I certainly see where you see where he sees where I'm coming from
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@@silentomega8563 🤣
I'm so glad you addressed the "Piccolo father" situation, that shit gets old mad quick lol
The problem isn’t people. People are smart enough to articulate a thought. The problem is the echo chamber the internet creates. The internet isn’t a person or collection of people. It’s a place where good and bad people talk and unfortunately, we focus too much on the bad because they are vocal and easy to gravitate to. That doesn’t mean that bad people don’t say stupid things that get us upset. It just means we give them too much of our time and focus when they don’t deserve it.
Geekdom, you are a good person and there are others like you en mass. Focus on them and I truly hope you have a wonderful day.
Trust me , people aren’t smart to articulate a thought , I have been power scaling for like 3 years and there are people that just can’t get stuff in their head
I agree on you other than that
The dumbest misunderstanding in dragon ball history for me is that people really take kid buu being dangerous because he’s fucking nuts means that he is stronger overall that buuhan which is literally buu stacked with a few of the strongest characters in the series at than point + the knowledge and intelligence to use that power+ his buu powers he already had prior. Shits weird man
I've been watching your videos for years and I'm a long time fan of Dragon Ball (20 years). Love what you do, the discussions you bring to the table, and how you keep it real with the facts and your PASSION for the series. Keep it up! 👍
Even I knew why Broly lost when I was a kid.
Literally
We should all know goku was getting rocked and needed everyone’s power to beat him 😂
I think a part of the problem is that there isn't and never was "a perfect way" to watch the show. as someone who grew up partially on my own country dub(we got the show directly from japan) and partially the funimation dub(cuz our dub took so many breaks between "seasons") I always wanted to go back to the show and watch it in japanese from DB to GT(I watched SUPER as it was airing in japan) but there isn't a single release in the west that is the best way to watch the show. in japan they have the dragonbox but funimation keeps crapping the releases so I kinda forced to wait until a proper way would be available so I guess that even if people would like to know more and rewatch the show the lack of means keeps them from doing so or make them turn to pirating and fansubs which I'm not the biggest fan of.
If Krillin beheaded 2nd form Frieza that’d be the LUCKY shot.
About the Goku or Vegeta beating Cell, I think it's just the fact they were able to damage him is why some fans think that they could kill Cell. Like if Goku or Vegeta mange to get a FULL direct hit on Cell without missing any part of him, would Cell die? But saying they were stronger than Cell is Bull$hit, that's like saying a skinny guy with a gun is stronger than a buff dude because the skinny guy killed him with a gun. We know if Cell went all out on those two, Cell would 100% be able to kill them without a problem.
But they could kill cell…..if he didn’t do nothing for like a minute
While not confirmed I do think that Vegeta's Final Flash was powerful enough to kill Cell. The fact that the attack shocked him so much he needed to dodge at the last second says enough. The same also goes for Goku. If he didn't wait after blasting off Cell's upper body then he might have been able to kill Cell.
@@CarlosHuiskens Vegeta wasn't going to kill cell point blank period
@@JACQUEZ23 That's your personal opinion not a confirmed fact. Personally I see no reason for Cell to fear the Final Flash and dodge it at the last second if he isn't in any danger of dying.
You can agree to disagree not that it matters much.
@@CarlosHuiskens cool agree to disagree I leave it there move along
I was 100% with you all the way up till the Gohan and piccolo part. Yes I’ll agree that Gohan is extremely fond and close with his father and yes it may be more of uncle type relationship with piccolo but after all the years that’s past and the numerous times piccolo sacrificed himself for Gohan and all the way up till super the way they team up I’d say that Gohan is closer to piccolo. All of that aside the thing that closes the deal for me was while facing world annihilation and forced to fight cell as a essentially a 11 year old when asked if he wanted to don the turtle gi like his father Gohan asked piccolo to wear the demon gi. Not saying piccolo was a better father figure or that Goku didn’t love his children even though he consciously made the decision to let both his sons die for hercule but there’s a special different bond between Gohan and Piccolo.
Not to mention that Goku was completely absent from Gohan's life (due to being dead) for almost half of the latter's childhood. He was dead for a year in the Saiyan saga and 7 between Cell and Buu, while Piccolo is around for Gohan. And in Super, all Goku seems to do is train, alone or with Vegeta and Whis, without Gohan, while Piccolo is shown to help around with the family. If we strictly focus on the 3 first arcs of Z, then I agree that Gohan's relationship with Goku was stronger than with Piccolo, but after that he has grown more distant from goku and closer to Piccolo
I still think goku & gohan have a close relationship too it's evident like when gohan wore the gi like his father in the buu & tournament of power as he has lots of respect for his dad (though just the anime strangely) & also when goku helped gohan with his Z sword training
Actually I think there's not enough time left to save everyone else before the earth exploded I don't think you should blame goku for that lol it was quick decision like hercule came first then he had to leave the earth & take whoever he saved to world of Kais via supreme kai's teleportation or else die with earth explosion
@@maganhassan2627 so basically you telling me my guy can teleport anywhere in the entire universe instantly but can’t cover what I assume was roughly a football field away for not just his children but trunks as well along with a lifelong ally piccolo but had time to make the decision that they are too far so grab whatever I can and chose Hercule?
@@maganhassan2627 I definitely blame Goku for that and feel Goku got lucky as hell that the people of Earth loves that fake champ
Great video, I do agree in what you are saying here. I also do the same when I see people debating without actually evidence or knowledge of what they are talking about. I just ignored them and get out of the app.
It’s the “vegeta never surpassed GOKU” bull shit that annoys me.
LOL 🙃
Then stop watching it.. with your bullshit side character surpassing a main character we don't want it
@@cold_gamer675 Thing is though Vegeta has surpassed Goku multiple times already so what are you and the other guy who made this comment on about? Lols
@@cheeseburgerfreddy6350 and he couldn’t get a win against freeza in the rematch ? ( blue vs golden )
- Gokufans: Goku The King!
- Me = Vegetafans: yeah? Hmm Goku trains with Gods since OG DB + almost 10 years in DBZ...What if Vegeta just casually got it too? Where is ya'alls MC then?
- Trashbin: cuz Goku rrelevant😅😂😂😂🤣🤣
I think there's a stark difference between Dragon Ball fans, and Dragon Ball Z fans.
I think Dragon Ball fans look at the franchise as a whole, and can appreciate the great moments from all of it, OG, Z, GT and Super. They understand the problems with each series and the source material, and are willing to accept and discuss them. They appreciate the care and attention to detail that Toriyama put into his characters, his world, his comedy and his action.
Dragon Ball Z fans, I think, are kind of stuck in the Z era of the franchise. They seem to have tunnel vision views of what the DB franchise is and should be; if it deviates from how Z did things, it's bad, but if it's too similar to how Z did things... it's also bad. The most important thing to these fans is what they grew up with, and anything else doesn't measure up.
I appreciate all types of fans of this franchise... but I think we need more Dragon Ball fans in this community.
Wait, the latter even hates the OG DB?
@@ChiefMedicPururu some, yeah. I've seen some Z fans claim that the OG is boring, or somehow 'lesser' for not having Saiyans (they'll almost always cite Vegeta's sacrifice, or Gohan going ssj2) or powers that can wipe out planets, or that the OG is 'more childish' for leaning heavily into comedy... despite Dragon Ball starting out as comedy-focused action-adventure manga.
You'll almost never here these guys talk about Tien's, Krillin's or Piccolo's character arcs... unless it's related to Gohan in some way.
For a lot of (but not all) Z fans, power levels and plot twists (or 'drama' as they call it) are more important than variety of power and character development.
These are the fans who will insist that, "X character can't beat Y character because they aren't strong enough...", which I think misses the point of Dragon Ball entirely.
Its not entirely their fault though... there are only 4 story arcs in Dragon Ball Z, and 2 of those arcs are the Cell and Buu arcs... they're just forming their opinions based on the part of the franchise they have the most experience with, since a lot of these fans haven't actually read or watched the OG either.
You hate to be criticized. It turned you into a loaf
He literally got a bunch of Negative Feedback on his latest Manga Review & didn't mind it at all, he just hates Stupid Comments which I saw myself & they were dumb while most were very Reasonable/Civil that he humbly welcomed.
@@GarciaXVLegend_04 he minded it cause he made a video about it. Bro he’s known for being a massive d at times over the years. U can cover for his bs but I’m not
I thought goku could have killed cell because trunks said if they gave goku a sensu bean he'd be able to kill cell.
Dude said he is never wrong i seem to remember him claiming the Anime was returning in July 2019 and we are almost in 2022 and not a word about the anime.
I see Piccolo more like an older brother to Gohan. Piccolo was barely a pre teen when he trained Gohan. Just a very developed one!
I feel you on going back to have another watch. With that being said, you constantly say Vegeta says Broly gets stronger as he fights when he actually says Broly's LEARNING as he fights.
I Do Think Goku Would’ve Fought Different If He Didn’t Have Gohan As His Trump Card
A few rounds maybe, then being overwhelmed by exhaustion, Cell Jr's fucked up all the z warriors easy including Goku
Cell powered up again after the Goku fight too. He was holding back against Goku.
Maybe, though it would have been a far more reckless affair as it would have boiled down to landing a key attack. And should that fail, Cell would have ended things.
Definitely, but would end up losing anyway
I really dont think how much power someone has matters at this point. The granola arc brought it back with the most powerful person in the universe wish, but the series has always been about experience except in the granola arc
Cell being stronger than gohan during the finale is something I hear people argue but goku being stronger than cell that I'm puzzled because its directly shown during cell fighting gohan that he didn't stand a chance
About Cell : I’m not sure what episode it was but cell mentioned to future Trunks “You clearly poses the power higher than mine but you will never beat me”
Trunks : “what logic is that”
So I can see why the fandom might respond to you when you say none of the can kill cell. When in actuality they all were possessed power enough to beat cell, but because cell attributes were higher in other areas is why the thought of it possibly happening is highly unlikely.
Cell had more speed/skill/etc; raw strength/etc alone doesn't always win fights. The fight with Goku in contrast had Goku being even or better in skill than cell, but weaker in other areas, thus Goku was giving his all while Cell wasn't.
Another video where you indirectly make yourself the victim within 3 minutes lol. Here is the thing, no fan is an expert on the series...none. The only people who can weigh in with 100% accuracy on intent and just how powerful they are is the creator(s). Aside from that, all we are doing as fans are educated guesses. This is why I hate people who think they are "Scalers" or "debators". Who is actually checking behind you that is the true expert to say this is true or false? So yes, you and most of the people who believe they know it all are arrogant. At this point you are partly responsible for the toxic behavior that you are attempting to call out. It just is what it is.
I agree, I've tried debating with someone who actually believes that ssj2 gohan from the cell games could beat ssj2 cabba from the ToP there is just no point in trying at this point😑😑
I hate arguing with people about dragon ball I’ve had a person tell me that ultimate gohan was stronger than goku during the top 😂
Yeah whoever says that is dumb thats basically saying base cell saga gohan = base vegeta as vegeta stated him and cabba were evenly matched in base form
@@edwardjones1482 and the funny thing is….it’s not only dragon ball , besides comic book fans ( fro some reason idk ) , EVERY OTHER FANBASE ( especially power scaling ) has its bad bad bad people
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 I’ve even had a twitch streamer and a bunch of people watching her try to tell me that goku has never lost a fight lmao I was like have you guys seen dragon ball or read the manga
@@edwardjones1482 let them be , that’s the only thing I can say just let them be
i still see a lot of people saying that Vegeta will become a god of destruction even though he has said he doesnt want to.
Vegeta : I don't want to.
"Fans": OMG, why are you turning him into a GoD??
Great video! Couldn’t agree more. I noticed you displayed like 4 classic pic arts that I haven’t seen since the 3rd grade. I used to print those pics out and had a collection in my art book. Man you took me all the way back ✊🏾
I like your points Geekdom. Completely right in my opinion about power scaling.. however,
There are several instances in dragon ball when a weaker fighter beat the stronger fighter. Now for one reason or another they could be cheap wins but saying Goku couldn’t have beat Cell is a little far to me.
I would love to get opinions but I think it’s a bigger stretch for Goku to beat Kid buu than Cell?
You have to consider the times when people get power boosts during fights or when someone gets their tail cut off in battle(lol) or when people are just straight clutch like when Goku beating Kririn lol. Some jokes but my point is that it happens even in big moments for odd reasons. It’s dragon ball.
Right. Piccolo defeated Raditz, despite having a weaker power level. Krillins destructo disk has posed a lethal threat to fighters much stronger than him. And I agree with you that the gap in power between Goku and Perfect Cell (at the time) was smaller than the gap between Goku and Kid Buu (at the time).
And to use the "Goku held Raditz still" defense would be to suggest that Super Vegeta would have killed Cell if he couldn't move at the last moment, which is precisely what Geekdom does NOT believe. Does staying in one spot cut your power in half (lol)? OR they could default to the "Cell can regenerate" argument, which is not a power level feat. Your logic is sound.
But hey, I guess we have the wrong opinions. Ya gotta read the japanese manga at least 4 times before ya can use common sense, I guess.
Sadly I highly doubt people outside of this group who enjoy your content to soak up information including myself will ever use their head (ha) to think logically before they speak.
Even more sadly that stuff is everywhere, people make up their head cannons to justify their dumb arguments without any facts to back it up. It's just not worth debating anymore. Debates supposed to be somewhat fun and engaging to get perspective, these days "my opinion is the only thing that matters and I'm right" not allowing people to be wrong and learn from it
Another thing is that DBZ has changed alot over the years, and there are plenty of crossover series. Characters like Zeno, Zalama, Ultra Ego Vegeta, SSG, etc have been around long before DBS.
It’s crazy how I subscribed to geekdom back when I was 12, he had 18k subs. Now I’m 17 and he 700k!! It’s nice to see your fav RUclipsrs get the recognition and love they deserve as time passes by
My favorite one is people thinking that rildo can beat God goku
Wtf
Also, let me say this...
You have the best takes on Dragon Ball on RUclips. At least from whom I've listened to.
There are some people I saw, and they give Goku so much unfair criticism, while giving Vegeta some excuse, and talking about in Z.
So many people think Vegeta is a way better dad but everyone forgets all the stuff he did in z to Trunks and Bulma
That is true, have you read a fan manga Dragon Ball Multiverse? If you heard of it that’s fine , if you not, than I’m okey with it and I can give some explanation and I know it’s just a fan manga, so there are some fans who hates a Character, named Son Bra, Vegito’s daughter in this fan manga, and they give so much unfair criticism to Son Bra, while they give so much excuses to Vegito, saying stuff “oh, they are writing Vegito badly”. “Son Bra should be dead because she is an another Broly and Vegito made a right choice to decide to kill her, because she is evil and she doesn’t care about her family and she had never regret anything at all.” The anti Bra people, are awful, and Vegito to me, he was even a worse father than Vegeta and Goku, who should’ve known that his daughter just lost control, in ssj2, the haters misunderstood the context of this situation.
@@nishchayjain1121 I read quite a lot of multiverse a few years ago when I was like 10 or 11 but I've been rereading it and I actually just don't like Bra because I never liked her in GT lol I guess I'm just biased against her but now that I'm older I'm gonna give the multiverse story and characters more of a chance
@@degenerate-otaku6634 so what are your thoughts about DBM U16 Vegito, as a character?
@@nishchayjain1121 I mean, Vegito never interested me in the anime so I guess my thoughts are neutral. I'm not too far into rereading so that could change
What I hate is when comic book fans come over and think they can accurately scale Dragonball
I’ve always thought of myself as knowledgeable about the dragon ball series but watching your videos has taken my knowledge to the next level for sure and I’m grateful for that. Your also right how so many people just don’t truly understand dragon ball and they call themselves fans. Like people who watched DBZ but not OG DB.
3:00 The mark of true maturity is recognizing the growth you've needed to endure and have since completed
There are so many people who will argue that a certain character is stronger just because they are fans of that character. People will say stuff like Goku was stronger than Gohan, or and stupid things like that just because they are fanboys or fangirls. They put their favoritism forward as arguments rather than actual logic, which makes me so frustrated. And no matter how much proof you show them, they won't accept it.
U should see the DB hate train on tiktok made up of ppl who watched Kai as kids and watched a chunk of Super. Constant videos of ppl not knowing what they are talking about.
Ugh whatever, just ignore them
Are you planning on making any GT videos soon? I just finished rewatching it and I think that it's so amazing.
The people commenting that you are misunderstanding Vegeta because they can’t accept someone just doesn’t like him accepting death against Granola for almost no reason don’t understand Vegeta’s character at all.
I'm at the stage of Fandom where I know just how much I don't know. This is why I watch videos like this, and that Blackscpe guy that commented before me. Keep up the great work Geekdom, and don't change lol.
They were so confident while saiyng that babidy unlocked Ssj2 out of Vegeta, or Goku Ssj3 was stronger than Super Buu, Ultimate Gohan and Gotenks at that time
Kid buu ain’t weaker than ssj3 , the dude only damaged him because when you charge a ki blast you get stronger too
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 I never said that kid buu was weaker than Ssj3, indeed I think he's stronger but at least goku could keep up with him. but if goku had gone up against super buu, the fight would have been over before the beginning. Goku himself had stated this while talking to vegeta in buu's body, saying that even by saving the three abosrbed they wouldn't have been able to beat him without the fusion. Plus after fighting against Fat buu he even said that 2 warriors more powerful than him would've arrived soon in fact he was referring to gotenks even before entering the HTC and reaching ssj3. sorry I haven't written all this for you but if anyone wants to have a debate please read this before starting.
I like this video. I've been waiting for some criticism to the fandom, which really really deserves it 😂
Consider making a video such as "What if RUclips was what it is today but back in the 90's and we watched DBZ".
I often ask myself that question, specially when I see some people critizing things in Super while ignoring that such things happened as well in Z (which they highlight as a perfect flawless serie).
The only thing I agree on English DBZ had bad ass music scores and metal tracks that made the scenes legendary 🔥
Have you read some of the Dragon Ball fanfiction stories? It's pretty bad. It's worser than the Frozen fanfiction and the Corpse Bride fanfiction.
I mean I like the more emotional or slice of life ones tbh. There are just too many what if x turned good at this point and bad power scaling in AUs but its admittedly hard as a writer
That's another problem the Fandom has ive come across so many people that want the Canon story to be like a fan fic most fan fiction be more about the fighting then the actual Canon story do and they want it to be exactly like that trash story with a bunch of fighting
@@mereumxkomugi780 lol I want it to be like the slice of life ones or more emotionally charged at least
@@degenerate-otaku6634 that's perfectly fine if anything I agree
I've learned since I was a kid liking dragon ball especially when it your favorite is to let stuff go and let people be stupid
Guys can we be serious for a moment here. I'm 28 now and i rewatched og dragonball as well as dbz not kai multiple times during the last 5 years or so. Og Dragonball i would say is still very watchable but Z no man. Just try watching a few episodes it just drags on forever. Everything takes an eternity and that is the honest truth.
I think when folks say that goku could have beat cell they were getting at the fact that he was so busy training gohan and still had time to go back in the chamber but chose not to.
Yea, but then u realized that vegeta was spending all his training time on himself instead of with trunks YET still ended up weaker than goku who does have a training partner.
You are right @Geekdom101 it can be very difficult to have conversations about Dragon Ball with Dragon Ball fans. People become so strongly opinionated and it quickly turns aggressive. Like you say though you can't fix stupid. Theres some truth to that.
Geekdom saying this about the community after complaining about the last chapter 😂😂 no offense
this reminds me of people saying "Perfect Cell is DEFINITELY stronger than Grade 3 Trunks" just from watching Geekdom's video on the subject that didn't prove anything.
Goku was much stronger than ssj1 grade 3 trunks and perfect cell was matching him while still holding Back his full power as was shown when he went full power against ssj2 gohan
With such things, it's harder to tell due to the various factors, but I would argue in general skill, Cell left Trunks in the dust, easily enough to negate whatever raw power advantage U2SSJ had. In contrast, Goku may have been Cell beat in skill (but was outmatched in other areas)
@@Fishman465 ok my stance is this:
Geekdom's video did not prove that Cell (without Grade 3) surpassed Grade 3 Trunks in raw power.
I feel like the online fandom is much more informed than they used to be. That’s in large part cause of you Geekdom. Of course there will always be click bait garbage, and bad wiki pages, and just dumb ignorant man children, but it’s not getting worse.
This is true. It's for sure been getting better since 15+ years ago.
Funny words from someone who totally misunderstood the latest manga chapter lmao
What a salty fanboy lol
@@PotentSenzu having a different opinion is different from misunderstanding.
@@PotentSenzu Just cuz a majority of your fanbase tells you something doesn't mean it's right. But either way, the difference between people who misunderstand and have a different opinion on DB is that the people who misunderstand act like that is fact or they know stuff. Geekdom was able to actually listen to the other side.
Saying a different opinion is always just a misunderstanding just discourages discussion and is dumb when nothing is objective. Geekdom was just looking at it from a different POV which lead him to a different conclusion.
@@PotentSenzu again the majority of people saying something doesnt mean its true. This video is literally about this how most people dont understand DB.
Also he did say he didn't like it lol.
@@PotentSenzu Well, it is a kid show since in Japan they fine against, blood and some little nudity, dragon ball manga is even towards after young boys because it's "shounen"
It's just that when Dragon ball came to America they made it adult only just because they hate blood.
I have spoken to a few people who me, like myself who we go to get educated on dragonball in everyone say you first geekdom101. Do I agree with everything you say? No, but 90% of it. There are others, but you have the top spot with your videos(unrealengame is pretty cool to). But your the standard!
@@PotentSenzu I feel differently. APPRECIATE the honesty though
I just want to say, @SeththeProgrammer is more than a power scaler and he knows a strength progression of a character in a story like how he did a video called "The Strength Of Son Goku".
And the same thing goes for @Chuck (The Cyber Cuck).
8:48 I see Piccolo as a older brother to Gohan than a father or uncle, he is only a few years older than Gohan.
I enjoyed even the small things that happen in the dragon ball story it’s the little things in my opinion that bring interest in this world that make it very special to me and probably a lot other people
No. Just stop