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@@emilianosintarias7337 I'd like to know *where* misogyny and patriarchy aren't prevalent and the status quo, cause everywhere I've been that was absolutely the case
@@hazelnotxyz Almost all of the world. What are you basing that on? Narratives and perceptions. or studies and counterfactuals? I don't know of a single study that empirically demonstrates misogyny as a general force or attitude. Systemic sexism against women in some areas and against men in others? Yes. Outbursts or expressions of misogyny or misandry? Sure. But as a social norm? No. Both men and women have positive attitudes towards women - more so than towards men. Women have had a glass ceiling, though its somewhat eroded, men still have a glass floor. Men are sentenced more harshly for the same crimes, are murdered at a higher rate, have no right bodily integrity, are more often homeless, I can go on and on . Now, this can be the case in a society that still has sexism against both men and women, but hatred of women and general male privilege? no.
@@emilianosintarias7337 lmfao if you can't find a single study demonstrating this stuff you're literally not looking at all But sure keep crying on the internet about how men are actually the oppressed gender despite being overrepresented in every position of power ever and women being targeted by shit like anti-abortion laws, legalized spousal abuse, and shit like that Also [citation fucking needed] for men not having "right bodily integrity", I don't even know what you mean with that
I usually use "proto" as in prototypical, it's before what we would really consider socialism but it has the characteristics that we're trying to emulate now just like how the prototype is the model for the finished product.
The word "primitive" got a really bad rap. It's origin is in primal, primary, something relative to the origin, the source. Primitive is not backwards or regressive, just something that remained relatively unchanged, more often than not, because it worked thus far.
@@Rodrigo_Vega I love that, but it's really engrained into history and archeology in a bad way, very explicitly anti-indigenous and anti-black. Maybe one day it can return to it's meaning though!! I hate when racists ruin whole words :(
@@mizjulio Yea, acknowledging that social darwinism ruined the word was almost part of my comment, but I removed it because it sort of worked against my point : P The appropriation and miuse of words like "evolution" or "primitive" by colonialist ideologies, deeply ingrained into the public the idea that those terms imply a sort of "march forward", a linear progression from lesser to higher beings. All for the worst of goals. In reality, crocodiles aren't any worse than birds just because there was something quite similar to modern crocodiles far earlier than there was something similar to modern birds.
"Women's revolution is men's liberation".... that hit. I'm an AMAB non-binary person, and I regularly explain to folks, when talking about my journey to understand my gender, how much I had to learn and unlearn to truly understand that state of the world. It's heartbreaking to see how the Patriarchy affects both men and women, and it really does feel like it takes a lot more work for men to understand that that women. I regularly see men broken and frustrated, trying to understand why they feel that way. It's hopeful though that I am seeing more and more examples of men coming to genuine understanding through those experiences, because they begin to listen and hear the voices of women, queer folks, and other educated men around them, to understand both their own oppression, and their hand in the oppression of others, and beginning to join the fight for liberation. Thank you so much for the work you're doing. I've learned a lot from your channel, which is helping greatly in my own journey of trying to heal and grow myself, and create the environments we can all thrive in. Peace ✌️
Thanks. I just google "[word] painting" and scroll until I find something I like. In future though, I'll be listing the artists I used at the end of the video so people can check out their work. Glad you've enjoyed!
I’m not sure if you meant to leave this out but many matriarchal societies still thrived even after the shift into agriculture. Some examples would be the Iroquois confederacy or Cherokee (pre-colonization) because women held political, economic, and social power. (see Indigenous American Women: Decolonization, Empowerment, Activism,,, it’s a really good book that i suggest if you haven’t already) Although, i agree that gender roles were still present bc women often farmed and men hunted but the roles were seen as equally necessary in importance so it wasn’t like the European patriarchy. I’m also really enjoying your videos and i think they’re really great. please continue making them :)
Oh no I didn't leave it out. That's why I said “*nearly* every culture on Earth was patriarchal”. I just didn't dive into much further depth cuz that would be a bit of tangent. I do find them very interesting though. Also, their roles weren't necessarily so strict either. There were some female hunters and male farmers too! And thanks for your appreciation :)
@@Andrewism ooou that’s my fault! I’m sorry, but also i understand what you mean as it wouldn’t worthy of mention unless you were able to expand on them more.
Bredren, your channel is too good, i have to make sure and avoid your logo whenever i can’t solely focus on your videos because they are so compelling.
This is mind blowing. My class this semester was structured around the creation of the "world wide web" (I recommend The Human Web by J.R. and W.H. Mcniell for a full exploration of the concept). We talked in depth about how it consolidates resources, but I do not think we were prepared to challenge the creation of the state as a source of exploitation in itself. As a westerner, feminism has always presented itself as the key to women's liberation. But as I read Ocalan, I agree that this ideology and praxis is not sufficient. The state cannot operate without subjugation. Like he says in Liberating Life, the world web of relations (the precursor for the state) has been woven around women from the inception of settled society. Even my open-minded professor sees the state as a natural inevitability. We're working together on a project, and I will certainly send them these resources.
Your videos are always nice to watch and easy to understand and I always feel like I learned something. I'm kinda binging them all right now and it's all pretty great.
01:30 not to detract from your work, i love this video- just wanna point out that you wrote the kurdish words ژن and ژیان backwards and unconnected, what you wrote is nij and nayj- then you also did the same with بەختهوهر بیت at 13:25 (you read and write right to left in the perso-arabic script, and some letters join others in certain ways depending on their place like other cursive scripts)
I would critique heavily the whole "Agricultural Revolution" concept. It was invented in the Gordon Childe and is heavily challenged by women archaeologists since then. The whole "man the hunter, woman the gatherer" and these ways of thinking are based on theories of social evolution which is an explicitly racist way of thinking about the world. Bookchin did accept this lens, but a feminist understanding of this heavily disputes this.
There's a formal saying from the Yuin people that goes "We all arise from the Mother. That is the lore". I think the world would be a lot more harmonious if we lived by that
hi! love your content, my only critiques are that “middle east” is a colonial term stemming from orientalism (and pretty vague in general) so i woild recommend using swana region(south west asia, west asia, east asia, south asia, ans northern africa) and i am also wondering what made you choose öchalan? why not base this video off of a women’s book? this is a genuine question, loved the video, just wondering .
Hey, noted re: SWANA, thank you. Öcalan coined and developed Jineology, and while I believe the Kongreya Star now puts out their own work, they trace back to him. Future videos on feminism will, of course, center women, but I understand and appreciate your question.
@@tunahan4418 lmao okay. he was disallowed lawyers while being tried in a borderline fascist state. were the French resistance during German occupation terrorists to you too?? shameful
Among the oldest ancient artifacts we've globally found, there's whole lot of sculptures and drawings where pregnant women. Common diety with sun and fire our ancestors shared... ... And then, the agriculture attacked
Great video ! a note -- Your writing of Kurdish is backwards and disconnected likely due to a rendering error in adobe. This is well known and occurs in writing languages that are right-to-left such as languages that use arabic or hebrew script. Please keep this in mind in the future !
I'd push back on the narrative framing here, that the patriarchal usurpation was a collaboration by (some?) men to throw down women. The fact that this happened independently suggests to me that it's a response to the social/economic/political pressures (as if those are actually separate) arising from the changing circumstances, a response wherein people were trying to understand, organize, and adapt to those changes. Rather than individuals choosing these things, I'd assume this was the result of groups of people succumbing to a kind of Nash Equilibrium, where the optimal solution (cooperation and mutual aid) is best for everyone, but the alternative (a controlling and divisive patriarchy/autocracy) is stable, because any defector (sociopath, asshole) can get enormous benefit if he can get away with it in the optimal solution but any defector will suffer in the suboptimal solution. TLDR; I don't think anyone planned it, but that some assholes kept ruining it for everyone and we ended up in a shitty situation. Because there are always assholes. Then, of course, decent people (those who accept colonialism, as you frame it in a later video) have to find a way to justify why they live in what is obviously a shitty world that pushes them to be assholes, and you get the philosophical/religious framework that continues to reinforce the whole thing.
I'm probably reading too much into your framing, that you were talking about general kinds of attitudes and not intending to imply any kind of deliberate intent. I'm sorry.
This was a great watch, even if you don’t know how the Arabic script is written 😅 One burning question that I’m left with is this: if statism is antithetical to women’s prosperity, are the Kurdish Jineoligists of today against an independent Kurdistan?
No, they are pro-Kurdistan. A Kurdistan in which all minorities find protection and recognition. Whether Assyrian, Chaldean or Yezidi, everyone should be able to live out their religion and tradition in freedom, because that's what Kurdistan is all about
It’s sad that this movement is based on a mans philosophy, despite loads of women being just as qualified to lead and obviously have the same/similar views etc. it’s like yay feminism, but not until men understands that we need it as well, and then they take up the center space of it all of a sudden
Unfortunately it seems to me that it's the fact that an ideology such as Jineology would never have been taken seriously in 1990s-early 2010s Syrian Kurdistan if it hadn't come from a man. For a Western example it's not too fundamentally different from the reason that Elvis and Eminem are considered the faces of Rock 'n Roll and Hip Hop, respectively, and, by many, the only artists worth listening to in their respective genres. Or that every single Leftist online content creator with any sort of mainstream popularity in the the Western Anglosphere is white. Radical ideas coming from members of marginalized groups in a given society are _vastly_ less likely to be taken seriously. Instead, they tend to get regarded as either the vengeful rantings of jealous, bitter lunatics, or else as just obviously stupid and not worth paying attention to. Even MLK was described as an actual terrorist by the mainstream media of his day. Radical ideas almost have to be espoused by members of the dominant group to ever be taken seriously. I study history as a hobby and I honestly can't think of a single exception that _didn't_ involve extreme widespread violence and/or the deaths of those espousing said ideas (whether by natural or unnatural causes). Even those early Feminists who lived to see their ideas get any sort of mainstream acceptance had to be able to refer to the writings of men (such as Charles Fourier in the West and Qasim Amin in the Arab World) to "justify" their philosophies. Though that could just be a knowledge gap on my part (I'd like to be wrong).
I love your videos and a long time supporter. I just wanted to add that altho his reflected words are wise I believe that we should think of Apo like Ghandi. There are darker truths to his sayings and the action taken by following his words are not always what he would approve (even tho he says nothing to stop these unapproved actions).
Hey! Love your videos. Could you please credit the artists for their art you use in your videos? Since you profit from the video I do think it's the least you can do :)
Hey, while I would like to credit every artist I use the work of, many of them are long dead and the process of tracking down the original sources for every visual I have used previously would be...excruciating, to say the least. And triple the amount of time it takes to put together my videos when honestly, this is just a hobby of mine. However, in the future, what I can do is cut down on the amount of art I use and just take a note of the artists' names (alive and dead) to attach to the end of the video. For any of my previous videos, if you'd like to find the artist, you can reverse image search on Google Images.
@@Andrewism change nothing :) so much of what you use is in the public domain that if some of us in the audience dont recognize the artist, we just need to learn more art history.
Unfortunately after the dissolvation of the USSR most of the orginizations you have mentioned became USA funded not anti-capitalist only seperatist groups.
This is very interesting. However, speaking of women's voices...is there a book by a WOMAN about Jineology or other middle eastern feminist movements you might follow up with?
I'm so happy to learn about jineology. I always feel bad for middle eastern women. To not be enabled to even go outside to market and other oppressive practices is just depressing. When they choose to wear hijab, it's wonderful and culture, but when its forced certainly not.
So hard to find good analyses of Jineology, pretty excited to see this one. Would be interested to see how it overlaps with trans issues and other intersections of oppression, but it's an ideology that definitely has a workable toolset.
I read Ocalan point on view, and I am afraid that his analysis is outdated. If it was common in the sixties to see pre-agriculture societies as egalitarian, we know that was not true. For examples, a lot of women skeletons show that they had to us mortars intensively, that lead to physiologist issues. Even if, of course agriculture societies did develop inequalities a lot, including patriarchy, and women before got a lot more equal treatment. I never was in Rojava, so I just think that this text aim to build equality; this is not what I am criticizing. The point is rhetoric is use a lot by people using essentialism, making the « nature » as « good » and in the end inevitably making discrimination, specifically against homosexual and trans people (lo Deep Green Resistance). I never heard of such things in Rojava, however I don’t think it thanks to that text.
I want to start off saying I really enjoy your videos and am glad you've brought attention to women's liberation and its importance, but as an active feminist activist it is always a little disheartenong for me to see men present ideas women have been talking about for so long without crediting us. As in, we tend to not get credit for our own thoughts and work, only gaining attention when they are regurgitated or "rediscovered" by men. In the same way that colonized societies should be the leaders of their own liberation movements, women's liberation is for women by women and should center us. Otherwise, I enjoyed the video and if you'd like to discuss women's liberation more in depth then I and many of the women I know would be happy to do so and provide resources made by women.
I have to be honest and say that I am somewhat skeptical and wary of a new 'feminist' ideology that has been created and developed by a man and one that is the leader of the PKK - a hierachical organisation that has an authoritarian past and nationalist aspects to it and has carried out acts of terrorism whose victims included working class people.
You say prehistory humans matriarchal but do you have any proof? Also you speak way too fast. If you want people to actually absorb the knowledge you are trying to spread than you need to speak at a slower pace. Not like you're trying to imitate a machine gun with 50 words a minute.
2:56 mmh when did that quote originate from? it feels weird to hear "women are the most colonized social being" in an age where social beings doesn't stop at humans
My only question for you is; what are you going to do about myself and my tribe? As there is no possibility that you could convince us that this is true. We have no desire to stop you from living as your people thing will suite you as long as it does not effect how my people seek to live.
I watched and now I feel like a jerk. Becoming a dirty commie opened my eyes it made me more compassionate. Everyone is suffering and that suffering is our connection. Justice isn't Justice if isn't for everyone.
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The entire premise is outdated, society-wide misogyny and patriarchy are not prevalent in most places, let alone everywhere.
@@emilianosintarias7337 I'd like to know *where* misogyny and patriarchy aren't prevalent and the status quo, cause everywhere I've been that was absolutely the case
@@hazelnotxyz Almost all of the world. What are you basing that on? Narratives and perceptions. or studies and counterfactuals? I don't know of a single study that empirically demonstrates misogyny as a general force or attitude. Systemic sexism against women in some areas and against men in others? Yes. Outbursts or expressions of misogyny or misandry? Sure. But as a social norm? No. Both men and women have positive attitudes towards women - more so than towards men. Women have had a glass ceiling, though its somewhat eroded, men still have a glass floor. Men are sentenced more harshly for the same crimes, are murdered at a higher rate, have no right bodily integrity, are more often homeless, I can go on and on . Now, this can be the case in a society that still has sexism against both men and women, but hatred of women and general male privilege? no.
@@emilianosintarias7337 lmfao if you can't find a single study demonstrating this stuff you're literally not looking at all
But sure keep crying on the internet about how men are actually the oppressed gender despite being overrepresented in every position of power ever and women being targeted by shit like anti-abortion laws, legalized spousal abuse, and shit like that
Also [citation fucking needed] for men not having "right bodily integrity", I don't even know what you mean with that
Men having a glass floor does not make women having a glass ceiling more advantageous by comparison.
Maybe instead of primitive socialism, we could say prehistoric socialism?
"Everything changed when the patriarchy attacked" -- lol love that
I usually use "proto" as in prototypical, it's before what we would really consider socialism but it has the characteristics that we're trying to emulate now just like how the prototype is the model for the finished product.
The word "primitive" got a really bad rap. It's origin is in primal, primary, something relative to the origin, the source. Primitive is not backwards or regressive, just something that remained relatively unchanged, more often than not, because it worked thus far.
@@Rodrigo_Vega I love that, but it's really engrained into history and archeology in a bad way, very explicitly anti-indigenous and anti-black. Maybe one day it can return to it's meaning though!! I hate when racists ruin whole words :(
@@mizjulio Yea, acknowledging that social darwinism ruined the word was almost part of my comment, but I removed it because it sort of worked against my point : P
The appropriation and miuse of words like "evolution" or "primitive" by colonialist ideologies, deeply ingrained into the public the idea that those terms imply a sort of "march forward", a linear progression from lesser to higher beings. All for the worst of goals.
In reality, crocodiles aren't any worse than birds just because there was something quite similar to modern crocodiles far earlier than there was something similar to modern birds.
@@Rodrigo_Vega No don't delete! I totally agree!! Progress viewed as linear totally messes with concepts
"Women's revolution is men's liberation".... that hit. I'm an AMAB non-binary person, and I regularly explain to folks, when talking about my journey to understand my gender, how much I had to learn and unlearn to truly understand that state of the world. It's heartbreaking to see how the Patriarchy affects both men and women, and it really does feel like it takes a lot more work for men to understand that that women. I regularly see men broken and frustrated, trying to understand why they feel that way. It's hopeful though that I am seeing more and more examples of men coming to genuine understanding through those experiences, because they begin to listen and hear the voices of women, queer folks, and other educated men around them, to understand both their own oppression, and their hand in the oppression of others, and beginning to join the fight for liberation.
Thank you so much for the work you're doing. I've learned a lot from your channel, which is helping greatly in my own journey of trying to heal and grow myself, and create the environments we can all thrive in. Peace ✌️
If you're looking for more info on Rojava, the Robert Evans podcast mini series "The Women's War" is spectacular.
How do you find all of the art you use for these videos? Absolutely beautiful stuff to compliment the calming and concise narration.
Thanks. I just google "[word] painting" and scroll until I find something I like. In future though, I'll be listing the artists I used at the end of the video so people can check out their work. Glad you've enjoyed!
@@Andrewism that's all you do? you have a good eye!
This was a really beautiful and educational video, and I appreciate this sincere show of allyship, it is sadly rare, much needed.
Another good channel that does this is Pop Culture Detective.
@@baiwatch1 I follow them as well!
I’m not sure if you meant to leave this out but many matriarchal societies still thrived even after the shift into agriculture. Some examples would be the Iroquois confederacy or Cherokee (pre-colonization) because women held political, economic, and social power. (see Indigenous American Women: Decolonization, Empowerment, Activism,,, it’s a really good book that i suggest if you haven’t already) Although, i agree that gender roles were still present bc women often farmed and men hunted but the roles were seen as equally necessary in importance so it wasn’t like the European patriarchy. I’m also really enjoying your videos and i think they’re really great. please continue making them :)
Oh no I didn't leave it out. That's why I said “*nearly* every culture on Earth was patriarchal”. I just didn't dive into much further depth cuz that would be a bit of tangent. I do find them very interesting though. Also, their roles weren't necessarily so strict either. There were some female hunters and male farmers too!
And thanks for your appreciation :)
@@Andrewism ooou that’s my fault! I’m sorry, but also i understand what you mean as it wouldn’t worthy of mention unless you were able to expand on them more.
Bredren, your channel is too good, i have to make sure and avoid your logo whenever i can’t solely focus on your videos because they are so compelling.
Bless you! I've been reading about rojava for years but have never heard such a perfect breakdown of this subject!
Hello, fellow bread-crumb! This is a good video essay, I'm glad I found your channel. Subscribed and belled.
Another really enjoyable video. Thank you for the quality content & I second the rec for "The Women's War" podcast.
Oh my dearest me this was alot of concise and amazing info. Will be diving into this deeper later. Ty
This is mind blowing. My class this semester was structured around the creation of the "world wide web" (I recommend The Human Web by J.R. and W.H. Mcniell for a full exploration of the concept). We talked in depth about how it consolidates resources, but I do not think we were prepared to challenge the creation of the state as a source of exploitation in itself. As a westerner, feminism has always presented itself as the key to women's liberation. But as I read Ocalan, I agree that this ideology and praxis is not sufficient. The state cannot operate without subjugation. Like he says in Liberating Life, the world web of relations (the precursor for the state) has been woven around women from the inception of settled society. Even my open-minded professor sees the state as a natural inevitability. We're working together on a project, and I will certainly send them these resources.
Your videos are always nice to watch and easy to understand and I always feel like I learned something. I'm kinda binging them all right now and it's all pretty great.
01:30 not to detract from your work, i love this video- just wanna point out that you wrote the kurdish words ژن and ژیان backwards and unconnected, what you wrote is nij and nayj- then you also did the same with بەختهوهر بیت at 13:25 (you read and write right to left in the perso-arabic script, and some letters join others in certain ways depending on their place like other cursive scripts)
I LOVE the added nuance in this comment section. Love the video too! Thanks for always putting out great content
I would critique heavily the whole "Agricultural Revolution" concept. It was invented in the Gordon Childe and is heavily challenged by women archaeologists since then. The whole "man the hunter, woman the gatherer" and these ways of thinking are based on theories of social evolution which is an explicitly racist way of thinking about the world. Bookchin did accept this lens, but a feminist understanding of this heavily disputes this.
Your videos are mental gems. They are also mental gyms. Thank you.
Wonderful video as always, thanks!
There's a formal saying from the Yuin people that goes "We all arise from the Mother. That is the lore". I think the world would be a lot more harmonious if we lived by that
This was really great to hear about. Thanks for the solidarity.
Another video which defines and introduces something I’ve been looking for in my life. Immensely grateful.
hi! love your content, my only critiques are that “middle east” is a colonial term stemming from orientalism (and pretty vague in general) so i woild recommend using swana region(south west asia, west asia, east asia, south asia, ans northern africa) and i am also wondering what made you choose öchalan? why not base this video off of a women’s book? this is a genuine question, loved the video, just wondering .
Hey, noted re: SWANA, thank you.
Öcalan coined and developed Jineology, and while I believe the Kongreya Star now puts out their own work, they trace back to him. Future videos on feminism will, of course, center women, but I understand and appreciate your question.
İ don't see anything wrong with the term middle east. I think it describes it pretty well. Also I agree with you. He shouldn't use a terrorists book
@@tunahan4418 lmao okay. he was disallowed lawyers while being tried in a borderline fascist state. were the French resistance during German occupation terrorists to you too?? shameful
@@tunahan4418 Turkish Government loves calling anyone who tries to raise their voice to the power a terrorist lmao
@@denizbuhran I know that. But still. I'd rather support HDP than PKK yk.
Damn I learned so much here ... but I’m gonna keep learning by reading Öcalan :D (and also listening to female experience of course)
I recently read “Liberating Life” and “Democratic Confederalism” and they were wonderful
Among the oldest ancient artifacts we've globally found, there's whole lot of sculptures and drawings where pregnant women. Common diety with sun and fire our ancestors shared...
... And then, the agriculture attacked
Another excellent gem.
Love learning about all these new concepts.
This is amazing
Your videos are phenomenal
"uplifting women's voices" *did not quote a single woman*
Great video ! a note -- Your writing of Kurdish is backwards and disconnected likely due to a rendering error in adobe. This is well known and occurs in writing languages that are right-to-left such as languages that use arabic or hebrew script. Please keep this in mind in the future !
Thanks for the info!
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For the algorithm!
I'd push back on the narrative framing here, that the patriarchal usurpation was a collaboration by (some?) men to throw down women. The fact that this happened independently suggests to me that it's a response to the social/economic/political pressures (as if those are actually separate) arising from the changing circumstances, a response wherein people were trying to understand, organize, and adapt to those changes. Rather than individuals choosing these things, I'd assume this was the result of groups of people succumbing to a kind of Nash Equilibrium, where the optimal solution (cooperation and mutual aid) is best for everyone, but the alternative (a controlling and divisive patriarchy/autocracy) is stable, because any defector (sociopath, asshole) can get enormous benefit if he can get away with it in the optimal solution but any defector will suffer in the suboptimal solution.
TLDR; I don't think anyone planned it, but that some assholes kept ruining it for everyone and we ended up in a shitty situation. Because there are always assholes.
Then, of course, decent people (those who accept colonialism, as you frame it in a later video) have to find a way to justify why they live in what is obviously a shitty world that pushes them to be assholes, and you get the philosophical/religious framework that continues to reinforce the whole thing.
I'm probably reading too much into your framing, that you were talking about general kinds of attitudes and not intending to imply any kind of deliberate intent. I'm sorry.
I love this!!!!
Thank you
This was a great watch, even if you don’t know how the Arabic script is written 😅
One burning question that I’m left with is this: if statism is antithetical to women’s prosperity, are the Kurdish Jineoligists of today against an independent Kurdistan?
No, they are pro-Kurdistan. A Kurdistan in which all minorities find protection and recognition. Whether Assyrian, Chaldean or Yezidi, everyone should be able to live out their religion and tradition in freedom, because that's what Kurdistan is all about
Awesome stuff!
It’s sad that this movement is based on a mans philosophy, despite loads of women being just as qualified to lead and obviously have the same/similar views etc. it’s like yay feminism, but not until men understands that we need it as well, and then they take up the center space of it all of a sudden
Other then that, I enjoyed the video. And much of the viewpoints are things that I agree with.
yep, it felt strange that they chose a book written by a man on this topic...
Unfortunately it seems to me that it's the fact that an ideology such as Jineology would never have been taken seriously in 1990s-early 2010s Syrian Kurdistan if it hadn't come from a man. For a Western example it's not too fundamentally different from the reason that Elvis and Eminem are considered the faces of Rock 'n Roll and Hip Hop, respectively, and, by many, the only artists worth listening to in their respective genres. Or that every single Leftist online content creator with any sort of mainstream popularity in the the Western Anglosphere is white.
Radical ideas coming from members of marginalized groups in a given society are _vastly_ less likely to be taken seriously. Instead, they tend to get regarded as either the vengeful rantings of jealous, bitter lunatics, or else as just obviously stupid and not worth paying attention to. Even MLK was described as an actual terrorist by the mainstream media of his day.
Radical ideas almost have to be espoused by members of the dominant group to ever be taken seriously. I study history as a hobby and I honestly can't think of a single exception that _didn't_ involve extreme widespread violence and/or the deaths of those espousing said ideas (whether by natural or unnatural causes). Even those early Feminists who lived to see their ideas get any sort of mainstream acceptance had to be able to refer to the writings of men (such as Charles Fourier in the West and Qasim Amin in the Arab World) to "justify" their philosophies.
Though that could just be a knowledge gap on my part (I'd like to be wrong).
Read mona eltahawy, nawal al sadaawi. A muslim and ex muslim feminist.
Don't ignore women leaders in the PKK who fought and died. Ocalan did not just one day pull a new feminism out of his ass.
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i really like your style and your content!
biji rojava
I love your videos and a long time supporter. I just wanted to add that altho his reflected words are wise I believe that we should think of Apo like Ghandi. There are darker truths to his sayings and the action taken by following his words are not always what he would approve (even tho he says nothing to stop these unapproved actions).
The Mari Kondo reference killed me lol
Hey! Love your videos. Could you please credit the artists for their art you use in your videos? Since you profit from the video I do think it's the least you can do :)
Hey, while I would like to credit every artist I use the work of, many of them are long dead and the process of tracking down the original sources for every visual I have used previously would be...excruciating, to say the least. And triple the amount of time it takes to put together my videos when honestly, this is just a hobby of mine. However, in the future, what I can do is cut down on the amount of art I use and just take a note of the artists' names (alive and dead) to attach to the end of the video. For any of my previous videos, if you'd like to find the artist, you can reverse image search on Google Images.
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so much of what you use is in the public domain that if some of us in the audience dont recognize the artist, we just need to learn more art history.
Unfortunately after the dissolvation of the USSR most of the orginizations you have mentioned became USA funded not anti-capitalist only seperatist groups.
I lllllooooovvveeee this
Fantastic video!
This is very interesting. However, speaking of women's voices...is there a book by a WOMAN about Jineology or other middle eastern feminist movements you might follow up with?
Besê Hozat has a lot of cool interviews
I would ask that you give a CW for guns pointing down barrel at the viewer. I’m a victim of police violence, and it can be very triggering.
I'm deeply sorry for that, will note in future!
I'm so happy to learn about jineology. I always feel bad for middle eastern women. To not be enabled to even go outside to market and other oppressive practices is just depressing. When they choose to wear hijab, it's wonderful and culture, but when its forced certainly not.
So hard to find good analyses of Jineology, pretty excited to see this one. Would be interested to see how it overlaps with trans issues and other intersections of oppression, but it's an ideology that definitely has a workable toolset.
Can you make a video of queer opression in middle east pls? That would be great
I read Ocalan point on view, and I am afraid that his analysis is outdated.
If it was common in the sixties to see pre-agriculture societies as egalitarian, we know that was not true. For examples, a lot of women skeletons show that they had to us mortars intensively, that lead to physiologist issues.
Even if, of course agriculture societies did develop inequalities a lot, including patriarchy, and women before got a lot more equal treatment.
I never was in Rojava, so I just think that this text aim to build equality; this is not what I am criticizing. The point is rhetoric is use a lot by people using essentialism, making the « nature » as « good » and in the end inevitably making discrimination, specifically against homosexual and trans people (lo Deep Green Resistance). I never heard of such things in Rojava, however I don’t think it thanks to that text.
Hey It looks like the link to liberating life is dead.
Finally that real shit.
I want to start off saying I really enjoy your videos and am glad you've brought attention to women's liberation and its importance, but as an active feminist activist it is always a little disheartenong for me to see men present ideas women have been talking about for so long without crediting us.
As in, we tend to not get credit for our own thoughts and work, only gaining attention when they are regurgitated or "rediscovered" by men.
In the same way that colonized societies should be the leaders of their own liberation movements, women's liberation is for women by women and should center us.
Otherwise, I enjoyed the video and if you'd like to discuss women's liberation more in depth then I and many of the women I know would be happy to do so and provide resources made by women.
What are the chances that you're a white woman?
Why does your accent sound like Uthred of Bebanburg from the Last Kingdom series.
It's a Trinidadian accent
I was listening to this without looking at the screen nd thought you said "geneology" and was very confused lol
Why are the Kurds so based
What song were they singing at the beginning?
Do you have link to the Kurdish song?
Are you based in the UK?
If so, I am really looking to set up anarchist projects and would love to have to on board.
He’s from Trinidad and Tobago
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I have to be honest and say that I am somewhat skeptical and wary of a new 'feminist' ideology that has been created and developed by a man and one that is the leader of the PKK - a hierachical organisation that has an authoritarian past and nationalist aspects to it and has carried out acts of terrorism whose victims included working class people.
Their opponents have terrorised them tenfold.
Bump
Is this gender essentialist though?
No, I don't think so. Ocalan emphasizes socialization, culture, and society, not inherent biological attributes.
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As far as I know, the Kurdish have done the best job.
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You say prehistory humans matriarchal but do you have any proof? Also you speak way too fast. If you want people to actually absorb the knowledge you are trying to spread than you need to speak at a slower pace. Not like you're trying to imitate a machine gun with 50 words a minute.
2:56 mmh when did that quote originate from?
it feels weird to hear "women are the most colonized social being" in an age where social beings doesn't stop at humans
My only question for you is; what are you going to do about myself and my tribe? As there is no possibility that you could convince us that this is true. We have no desire to stop you from living as your people thing will suite you as long as it does not effect how my people seek to live.
lol, a us puppet state is not my idea of liberation.
I watched and now I feel like a jerk. Becoming a dirty commie opened my eyes it made me more compassionate. Everyone is suffering and that suffering is our connection. Justice isn't Justice if isn't for everyone.