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  • Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
  • Episode 1338
    let's look at the construction of an expensive oscillator
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  • @Fr33dan
    @Fr33dan Год назад +7

    My grandfather was the founder of Isotemp, he sold it when he retired but I still worked there for until the parent company folded into another company. This is before my time but 96 sounds right as moving into the 2000s no one wanted these larger packages. The inner potentiometer is to adjust the output level which would vary from crystal to crystal. My dad probably designed the dang thing, he's the one who sent me this video so I'm surprised I don't already see him here in the comments.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest7993 Год назад +5

    Since it was soldered inside a metal case already there was no need for a Faraday cage inside. That copper case is a heat spreader to create a uniform heater around the crystal oscillator and crystal. The oven you dismantled isn't all that old as it has surface mnt PCB's.

  • @pravardhanus
    @pravardhanus Год назад +4

    Wow!
    I also wanted to see what's inside an temperature / oven controlled oscillator.
    Thanks for the tear-down.

  • @happysprollie
    @happysprollie Год назад +4

    The outer case seems to have a 1996 date. Interestingly complex for a simple output.

  • @bobweiss8682
    @bobweiss8682 Год назад +3

    Looks like the unpopulated parts on the oven control board would be used if you wanted a square wave (TTL) output from the module. Default would be a lower level sine wave. Most OCXO manufacturers offer both options.

    • @Dr_Mario2007
      @Dr_Mario2007 Год назад

      That, or other options: DC (digitally controlled) or VC (Voltage Controlled) atop typical OCXO oscillator electronics.

  • @mr1enrollment
    @mr1enrollment Год назад +3

    breaks my heart to see things torn a sunder,...

  • @PeterWorkman
    @PeterWorkman Год назад +1

    I had to look it up - the Torx screw drive was patented in 1967.

  • @hhawawq1065
    @hhawawq1065 Год назад +1

    Isotemp has very detailed reading materials out there about the theory of operations of these things, even about the temperature control.

  • @PapasDino
    @PapasDino Год назад +1

    I had to repair the HP 10811A double-oven oscillator in a Z3801A GPSDO once and I never thought I'd get into it no less repair it; the first part of the can was soldered. The foam and heating wires made for a very complex take apart. Turned out it was simply a bypass cap all the way down to the bottom. After replacing it I put it back together and sure 'nuff it worked! But what a journey that one was!

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Год назад

      Been there. Done that. I hooked the supply backwards. Forget what needed replacing, but it worked when back together.

    • @todds9839
      @todds9839 Год назад

      If you trace the oscillator circuit you will find it is similar to the 10811 circuit.

  • @johnwest7993
    @johnwest7993 Год назад +1

    I've always loved them. I grab them out of old equipment that's going away. I'm sure I'll use one of them in a project some day.

  • @Jeff-KN6UDG
    @Jeff-KN6UDG Год назад +3

    I think Torx and SMD components follow a similar history, both from the sixties but gained in popularity in the eighties.

  • @uni-byte
    @uni-byte Год назад

    That was built in July of 96. They certainly had SMT and Torx by then.

  • @frankowalker4662
    @frankowalker4662 Год назад +1

    That is very complex for what it does. Nice tear-down. :)

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Год назад +1

      Fascinating the use of a TIP100 as a heater !...cheers.

    • @R50_J0
      @R50_J0 Год назад

      I guess it's time to open the crystal can up.

    • @frankowalker4662
      @frankowalker4662 Год назад +1

      @@andymouse I suppose you could also use a 7805 regulator. They get very hot too. :)

    • @andymouse
      @andymouse Год назад +1

      @@frankowalker4662 until the thermal protection kick's in !!!!

    • @frankowalker4662
      @frankowalker4662 Год назад

      @@andymouse I forgot about that. LOL.

  • @arthurharrison1345
    @arthurharrison1345 Год назад

    The unit was manufactured in the 7th week of 1993. Torx screws were invented in 1967.

    • @uni-byte
      @uni-byte Год назад

      It says Date - 9628 right on the top of the unit. Where did you see 9307?

  • @scottmorgan5370
    @scottmorgan5370 Год назад

    Since there is surface mount components, the torx screws should not be questionable.

  • @BrendaEM
    @BrendaEM Год назад

    Ironically, I am curious about the temperature circuit. The TIP100 is a darlington. So, there's no big resistor, and they have the TIP 100 shorted? I should think that your guess about the comparitor and regulator are spot on. These days, it might be cheaper with a microcontroller, and it would have PID, too.

    • @todds9839
      @todds9839 Год назад +1

      It's a linear control circuit using an op-amp and whetstone bridge. A small Q and some resistors limit the current, just like an op-amp current limit. MCU's don't have enough resolution of temperature yet to be good controllers. With the 0.062" thick copper can the temp changes about 0.01C/100C.

  • @t1d100
    @t1d100 Год назад

    You had it disassembled enough to change the oscillator. If it is still open, that might make an interesting DIY video. I would be interested in that, because I consider these ovens to be expensive. Changing the oscillator on one with an odd value might be a way to get a thermal unit more cheaply? You would probably need to change some cap values, too, I guess?

  • @andye2005
    @andye2005 Год назад

    Torx - first patent 1967
    older than I expected!.
    Andy

  • @craxd1
    @craxd1 Год назад

    I don't know of any company that used 3 MHz, as test equipment was standardized around 10 MHz in the US and UK, etc. Even GPS frequency standards are at 10 MHz.

  • @andymouse
    @andymouse Год назад

    Awesome...cheers !

  • @chrisdoyon7556
    @chrisdoyon7556 Год назад

    I first had to buy a set of Torx drivers to work on a ‘72 Porsche, so sometime before then

  • @douro20
    @douro20 Год назад

    There was a crystal oven I saw once which had a big glass thermometer sticking out of a hole in the side. I think it may had been an AM exciter crystal.

  • @philiphoeffer7442
    @philiphoeffer7442 Год назад

    TORX came out in 1967, by Camcar Textron.

  • @JxH
    @JxH Год назад

    "Fairly new..." I'm guessing the 28th Week of 1996... 🙂 (Date Code on case.)

  • @chuckvanderbildt
    @chuckvanderbildt Год назад

    If you want to compare it to a similar unit, there is a trimble OCXO teardown on the eevblog forum under the topic title " Trimble OCXO 'extreme' teardown "

  • @rickwise9910
    @rickwise9910 Год назад +1

    Going off on a tangent: I know you have a Hakko desoldering tool (and did a video), but I notice you often just grab the solder-sucker. Is this because it isn't worth dragging out the serious tool for just a couple of joints to desolder?

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Год назад +1

      takes too long to heat up for quick stuff

  • @johncasteel1780
    @johncasteel1780 Год назад

    Toryx fastener: developed in 1967.

  • @R50_J0
    @R50_J0 Год назад

    Good video. Thank God not another laser harp vid.

  • @vincei4252
    @vincei4252 Год назад

    Interesting that the frequency adjust appears to be a variable resistor. Maybe the fine tune of the crystal is done with a reverse biased diode or a varactor ?

    • @diemaschinedieviereckigeei2941
      @diemaschinedieviereckigeei2941 Год назад

      I think so, too. At 10:07 one can see a number of sot-23 footprints connected in parallel at the lower side of the oscillator board, of which only one is populated. One of the traces to it comes from a voltage divider and the trace to that one comes from the potentiometer. It is very likely that the single sot-23 component is a voltage controlled capacity and if required, more components could be added in parallel.

  • @wherami
    @wherami Год назад

    Yes quite a bit of circuitry

  • @christopherleubner6633
    @christopherleubner6633 Год назад

    The temperature regulator for these works rather well for laser shg crystal heaters. Worked rather well for coherent verdi and avia laser heads. 🤓

  • @Manf-ft6zk
    @Manf-ft6zk Год назад

    As nobody else makes the remark:
    At 10:26 on the oscillator board at the lower end of the board there is a sot-23 element next to one leg of the quartz, maybe anti-parallel diodes. The conductors are continued to 3 other unpopulated spaces for sot-23s. A nice configuration which is not a hf strip-line at 3MHz. What is that configuration for if it is not an early result of artificial intelligence? :o)

    • @Manf-ft6zk
      @Manf-ft6zk Год назад

      I think I found the answer: The fine adjustment for the frequency is made by a potentiometer that provides a voltage that has to be converted into a capacity. So the sot-23 element could be a capacity diode that has a certain capacity value. To build an universal layout, the mounting space for up to 3 additional diodes in parallel is provided by the configuration.

    • @todds9839
      @todds9839 Год назад

      @@Manf-ft6zk the SOT-23 are 2 = Transistors, 1 single where are many parallel on the PCB = varactor

  • @byronwatkins2565
    @byronwatkins2565 Год назад

    T Control needs PI controller. Probably, the D circuitry is not populated on this board.

  • @staviq
    @staviq Год назад

    The crystal itself doesn't look standard, at least not like the two most common cans, I'm curious what's inside :)

    • @chuckvanderbildt
      @chuckvanderbildt Год назад

      a fancy specially selected sc-cut piece of quartz

  • @todds9839
    @todds9839 Год назад

    Hey I designed the thing and I put some comments answering a few questions below. But my comments got lost probably because I put in a link to the specification. Maybe I can add to this comment later.

    • @IMSAIGuy
      @IMSAIGuy  Год назад

      RUclips loves to delete things. you can find my email on the about page and I can post the links. Good job on the design!

    • @todds9839
      @todds9839 Год назад

      @@IMSAIGuy I found your mail address and sent you mail and some specs. I will comment more on this OCXO and any others you have when I find time.

  • @technodruid
    @technodruid Год назад

    Bottom end of HF makes me think military

  • @sbelectronicaindustrial6652
    @sbelectronicaindustrial6652 Год назад

    👍👍👏👏....!!

  • @TonyBarr99
    @TonyBarr99 Год назад

    I cringed when you used your fine nippers to clip the case, but it appear to be made of copper, so you are OK!

    • @TonyBarr99
      @TonyBarr99 Год назад

      Second thought, as I watch it looks like steel.

    • @zyeborm
      @zyeborm Год назад

      It's probably "mu metal"

  • @subramanianr7206
    @subramanianr7206 Год назад

    Another interesting teardown video showing the significance of perfection of the analogue days.
    De VU2RZA