I have long been a Dylan Thomas fan and have visited his boathouse and writing shed and left my thanks in the book that they keep. Dylan is the biggest influence in my life - my eldest son is named after him. I now teach poetry.
Truly fabulous! - Along with Leonard Cohen, Dylan Thomas has a wonderful reverence for and a deep humanity and lack of pretension that makes his humour ,wit and insights all the more touching. I for one am truly grateful for this.
Wonderful, memorable, so human, this modesty of a volcanic, quiescent genius. Such imagery, well worth rethinking. He was startlingly refreshing and disturbing,, and, disturbed. Gone, yet timeless and worth remembering as we hear and read.
Great that he was unafraid to dissolve the general reverence and pomposity, good to hear the laughter. And then so sad, too, such a talent lost as the final reading reminds us.
I found this while in a pretty severe Dylan Thomas spell, having memorized a couple shorter poems--thanks for this!--and then I looked at your profile, and you're the Alkan guy! The Alkan guy who inspired me to learn Op. 39 No. 2, which for God's sake I was practicing just today--I swear I'm not making this up--thanks for that, too!
Dylan actually felt very intimidated by 'intellectuals', university educated types ; and had a sense of inferiority about his own intellectual abilities. The humour is used to disguise his uneasiness. The irony being that his wit is also a form of deep intelligence.
Such an influence, even today - Bob Dylan loved him and cited him as a major influence (even changing his name as an homage), while Hendrix carried a book of Bob Dylan’s lyrics around with him, and so the lineage continued. How many people did Hendrix and Dylan influence between them? It’s surprising to hear how modern and contemporary Dylan Thomas sounds here, not to mention how witty and comedic. One of the great poets.... makes me proud to be Welsh. And self-deprecation is such a recognisable Welsh trait.
Further, the legend of Dylan as some mumbling drunk is here put to bed. Totally compos mentis, articulate, logical. No one can write poetry like that he did, without being sober. Almost everyone can quote something from Dylan while hardly anyone can quote T.S. Eliot.
'Some thing's - one thing to be precise. 'Do not go gentle into that go night' is the only one of his poems people know, because it was his only good one.
The phrase which must really annoy our neighbours in Scotland, Wales & N. Ireland must be: 'The Queen of England'. So wrong. Probably annoys Her Majesty as well!
They mean English as in language, not nationality. When we say “English Verse”, again, it is the language in which the poetry is written that is being referred to, and not the nation.
Dylan Thomas Poetry begets images & sounds as film does images into sound words & so "Word of Mouth" is the best kind of advertising. The Flow of Poetry is "The Talk of the Town"with no tinsel!
This sounds like a class for which no one prepared. Or symposium or whatever it is. Kind of insuting to Maya as well who at least out of all the participants made a sincere effort.
The avant-garde in one medium (Thomas) often don't understand the avant-garde in other media (Deren). Often they're very conservative about the other arts. (P.S. Thomas in one of my favorite poets.)
My mind was wandering . . . listening to this, much like the subject matter. I started thinking of the unknown big black women in Tom & Jerry animations she'd shriek " Thomas! Thomas! " whilst stood on top of a stool, being frightened by Jerry mouse. To which I thought, how did I get here & what are they waffling on about?!
When people remark upon "pretentiousness" of the comments, I have to wonder: exactly what does "pretentious" mean? What are the panelists (other than Dylan Thomas) "pretending"?
What a treat. Don't care for most of his poetry, but he does a wonderful job of gently (and probably unintentionally) deflating these puffed-up bloviating windbags. These types have always been insufferable, have they?
Thomas' anti-intellectual comments are popular with the audience. It is pretty clear nonetheless that the discussion isn't happening because the mindsets of Thomas and Deren are simply too far apart to meet.
So funny how they keep trying to put words in his mouth and get him to say that he sees value in avant garde cinema. - I mean really, trying to put words into the mouth of Dylan Thomas!
He was also a “user” who didn’t pay his bar bills. There’s a pub in Newque Wales where he still owes money. He is not revered in Wales because he wrote in English. He was not a Welsh speaker even though he was born in Swansea.
Of course, Dylan Thomas is revered in Wales...his boathouse has been preserved as a historic site; Welshman Richard Burton loved him and was buried with a book of Thomas' poetry, and most Welsh people don't even speak Welsh.
Thomas’s parents didn’t want him to learn Welsh and gave him elocution lessons to rid him of the sing-song lilt of the Welsh accent. It was not uncommon amongst the middle classes in that era as the Welsh language was associated with old, rural and uneducated people and carried a stigma. Thomas had a great love of Wales, and Wales in return loves him back.
In South Wales they don’t speak Welsh as much to this day. It’s more a North Wales thing. Although not being Welsh myself I have relatives who live in Merthyr and none of them speak Welsh.
Has anyone here actually seen the films of Maya Deren, who is on this panel, and who is undoubtedly one of those you are calling "pretentious"? Do you have the remotest conception of her importance to American cinema? You can see some of her work on RUclips. She practically founded the American avant-garde film movement singlehandedly. I respect all these panelists enormously as artists in their own right, but it seems to me that we have here a clear case of a group of men---however great their writing---cannot meet a woman artist who has a strong intellectual perspective to bring to the table. Remember, this panel took place in 1953. This kind of behavior---dragging a woman who appears to the men as their intellectual equal, or better---was very common at the time. Sadly, it's not much less common today.
@@CalvinPoet Blake is awesome and undoubtably we would of likely had a very different Yeats without Blake. I was meaning “after” as in chronology rather than eminence.
In terms of chronology, I’d agree with your initial statement, then amend it to include Crane. “After Yeats, the only truly great poets are Dylan Thomas and Hart Crane.” Yes.
This clip proves that THE best English is spoken outside London and the south-east of England. Born in the year Dylan died a stone's throw from where he was, we both speak our English identically. Dylan never spoke Welsh; nor do I. There' s not a trace of a South Wales/Cardiff accent here; he would have abhorred that. If you want to hear English spoken correctly and musically you go to Scotland (Aberdeen is good!), or Ireland, or Wales. Why should this be the case? It has a lot to do with the 19th C tradition of education: you WILL speak 'proper' English. Americans find this mystifying. They get very confused.
Actually Dylan's parents were both Welsh speakers but his father was an English teacher and although both parents spoke Welsh to each other they spoke English to their children. Also they were sent to elocution lessons so they could learn received pronunciation. In other words his accent had nothing to do with where he came from it was education training and choice that produced it
Arthurian Mary Virgin mind Mi-Wife in Thomas Hardy's Fantastic-Ode Nightingale? Aristotle's Topic non-Cloud-Denfly! from Prisoneromantics? Mari-val-Arthur's void Cloudens Wolf Tang(Yale dance School) Aqua balt eagles' theologicalLink Horn's personalmightyardin-goat-scape! Araba Eagle waiting Ring rebellingearomantic Arden oaths' PersonellenGravescapool Rain's ailing weepeelore-sent Ominous Den's facing peopledRove/Missisipi? Water Coloriot explosionovelis Entire-edenight Nil symbolicorneRite Poe's Raven unwhiten-edi0 by Professor Yu-wan, Tang (Architecture School Yale , Yale U.)
This recorded documentaries are precious. Thanks
I have long been a Dylan Thomas fan and have visited his boathouse and writing shed and left my thanks in the book that they keep. Dylan is the biggest influence in my life - my eldest son is named after him. I now teach poetry.
Teach me please
Start a class, I’d join online!
Pete,did you visit his grave situated in the village ? It's marked by a white cross.
Wow :)
His voice was great! I was saddended when I found out he died when he was only 39 :(
Very grateful we can hear his voice.
Truly fabulous! - Along with Leonard Cohen, Dylan Thomas has a wonderful reverence for and a deep humanity and lack of pretension that makes his humour ,wit and insights all the more touching. I for one am truly grateful for this.
A true Celt, humorous and storytelling.
you forgot "rushing headlong into a perverse death wish"
racist
@@mikejohnson2638 let the chips fall where they may! The Celts are unique and beautiful people
15:49 - 16:00; GENIUS! Thomas was hilarious.
Wonderful, memorable, so human, this modesty of a volcanic, quiescent genius. Such imagery, well worth rethinking. He was startlingly refreshing and disturbing,, and, disturbed. Gone, yet timeless and worth remembering as we hear and read.
Great that he was unafraid to dissolve the general reverence and pomposity, good to hear the laughter. And then so sad, too, such a talent lost as the final reading reminds us.
I found this while in a pretty severe Dylan Thomas spell, having memorized a couple shorter poems--thanks for this!--and then I looked at your profile, and you're the Alkan guy! The Alkan guy who inspired me to learn Op. 39 No. 2, which for God's sake I was practicing just today--I swear I'm not making this up--thanks for that, too!
I love Dylan cutting through the pretension and intellectual bull shit. RIP DYLAN YOU WERE WONDERFUL.
Dylan actually felt very intimidated by 'intellectuals', university educated types ; and had a sense of inferiority about his own intellectual abilities. The humour is used to disguise his uneasiness. The irony being that his wit is also a form of deep intelligence.
My favourite poet, the genius Dylan Thomas. You can hear him reading his masterpiece Fern Hill here on RUclips.
Our chorus is now rehearsing to sing Fern Hill (composed by John Corigliano), it's gorgeous!
What a wonderful idea!
Such an influence, even today - Bob Dylan loved him and cited him as a major influence (even changing his name as an homage), while Hendrix carried a book of Bob Dylan’s lyrics around with him, and so the lineage continued. How many people did Hendrix and Dylan influence between them? It’s surprising to hear how modern and contemporary Dylan Thomas sounds here, not to mention how witty and comedic. One of the great poets.... makes me proud to be Welsh. And self-deprecation is such a recognisable Welsh trait.
What is the Irish trait?
That's not why he changed his name. . .
Ever skating towards the puck of the real...such joy.....and he is more often serious than unserious.
Absolute brilliance. What a judge of art & poetry is!!!
His grandson is the double of him
Further, the legend of Dylan as some mumbling drunk is here put to bed. Totally compos mentis, articulate, logical. No one can write poetry like that he did, without being sober. Almost everyone can quote something from Dylan while hardly anyone can quote T.S. Eliot.
our only choice, or else despair,
lies in the choice of pyre or pyre,
to be redeemed from fire by fire.
shall i go on...?
I love Dylan Thomas, but Eliot's got some memorable lines: April is the cruelest month, breeding Lilacs out of the death ground,...
'Some thing's - one thing to be precise. 'Do not go gentle into that go night' is the only one of his poems people know, because it was his only good one.
Excellent! I love poems about trees.
The guy introducing Thomas keeps calling him an 'English poet', when of course, he was Welsh.
Regrettably, over ages, many have said "England", when perhaps British or a more particular accuracy was called for.
The phrase which must really annoy our neighbours in Scotland, Wales & N. Ireland must be: 'The Queen of England'. So wrong. Probably annoys Her Majesty as well!
Ann TwoShoes probably because a lot of Welsh poets wrote in Welsh. So in essence hes a Welsh man writing English poetry .
They did the same to Irish famous actors and Bands calling them British.
They mean English as in language, not nationality. When we say “English Verse”, again, it is the language in which the poetry is written that is being referred to, and not the nation.
Dylan Thomas Poetry begets images & sounds as film does images into sound words & so "Word of Mouth" is the best kind of advertising. The Flow of Poetry is "The Talk of the Town"with no tinsel!
This sounds like a class for which no one prepared. Or symposium or whatever it is. Kind of insuting to Maya as well who at least out of all the participants made a sincere effort.
The avant-garde in one medium (Thomas) often don't understand the avant-garde in other media (Deren). Often they're very conservative about the other arts. (P.S. Thomas in one of my favorite poets.)
one the great poets..ever
Bravo for Dylan Thomas. The other panelists sound pretentious.
great poet what ever his issues. must have been amazing to her him read his poems.
Humor always remedies pomposity, and Dylan was an authentic chap, what did he care for endless analysis?
No one is ever too clever to be funny, it's quite often the other way round..
Maya Deren says "Does that mean he didn't understand it?" Or something like that. I laughed.
Funny lad. Good value in the pub, no doubt.
I see he died just twelve days after this recording. Terribly sad. He sounds in decent health too.
Under milk wood a work of genius
Fantastic, I love it..
13:43 now, there's some genuine wisdom right there. Who was that ?
My mind was wandering . . . listening to this, much like the subject matter. I started thinking of the unknown big black women in Tom & Jerry animations she'd shriek " Thomas! Thomas! " whilst stood on top of a stool, being frightened by Jerry mouse. To which I thought, how did I get here & what are they waffling on about?!
He died at 39, and by the then was bloated and sick years before that. Sick from drinking. I fell A half friendship. and love the writings
Super magic, captures captured.
When people remark upon "pretentiousness" of the comments, I have to wonder: exactly what does "pretentious" mean? What are the panelists (other than Dylan Thomas) "pretending"?
people dont like when other people talk about stuff they studied
wow I have never seen this before
Yay, now I can finish my English project!
What a treat. Don't care for most of his poetry, but he does a wonderful job of gently (and probably unintentionally) deflating these puffed-up bloviating windbags. These types have always been insufferable, have they?
You can hear him coughing in the background at the recording start.
recorded six weeks before i was born. he must have died right after this.
Thanks
Starts 02:45
A proud Welshman here
Thomas' anti-intellectual comments are popular with the audience. It is pretty clear nonetheless that the discussion isn't happening because the mindsets of Thomas and Deren are simply too far apart to meet.
No, it's probably because one of those two mindsets doesn't exist.
Gotta love Dylan Thomas. Arthur Miller sounds like a high brow tool
Jason McNally .
He was, by and large.
Miller was a very insecure man. Poor Marilyn she bought his pretentious intellectual pose.
So funny how they keep trying to put words in his mouth and get him to say that he sees value in avant garde cinema. - I mean really, trying to put words into the mouth of Dylan Thomas!
He sounds drunk here… and I’m a fan. And Maya Deren was a genius.. meshes of the afternoon is as good as anything he wrote
I would love to have been there with a smartphone! ❤
'English poet' he was Welch.
Whew -- that is one drunk Dylan Thomas.
He has a prominent stutter but his voice and ideas sing. Has he had the stutter his entire life?
only for two more weeks
@@johannabrandtmovies 😳😟
he's stammering, not stuttering
@@joejones9520 that’s what I said
He was also a “user” who didn’t pay his bar bills. There’s a pub in Newque Wales where he still owes money. He is not revered in Wales because he wrote in English. He was not a Welsh speaker even though he was born in Swansea.
Of course, Dylan Thomas is revered in Wales...his boathouse has been preserved as a historic site; Welshman Richard Burton loved him and was buried with a book of Thomas' poetry, and most Welsh people don't even speak Welsh.
Thomas’s parents didn’t want him to learn Welsh and gave him elocution lessons to rid him of the sing-song lilt of the Welsh accent. It was not uncommon amongst the middle classes in that era as the Welsh language was associated with old, rural and uneducated people and carried a stigma. Thomas had a great love of Wales, and Wales in return loves him back.
all the angels had debts
In South Wales they don’t speak Welsh as much to this day. It’s more a North Wales thing. Although not being Welsh myself I have relatives who live in Merthyr and none of them speak Welsh.
@@davedfw814...I'm sure there are lots of people who celebrate his poetry without making any money off of him.
Has anyone here actually seen the films of Maya Deren, who is on this panel, and who is undoubtedly one of those you are calling "pretentious"? Do you have the remotest conception of her importance to American cinema? You can see some of her work on RUclips. She practically founded the American avant-garde film movement singlehandedly.
I respect all these panelists enormously as artists in their own right, but it seems to me that we have here a clear case of a group of men---however great their writing---cannot meet a woman artist who has a strong intellectual perspective to bring to the table. Remember, this panel took place in 1953. This kind of behavior---dragging a woman who appears to the men as their intellectual equal, or better---was very common at the time. Sadly, it's not much less common today.
Thank you, Maya Deren is at least as big in the history of film as Dylan Thomas is in verse. Two giants
Who was dragging her? Miller is clearly the one who comes off worst in this exchange.
To me after W.B. Yeats the only truly great poet is Dylan Thomas.
If anyone has any honorable mentions please let me know.
William Blake?
@@CalvinPoet Blake is awesome and undoubtably we would of likely had a very different Yeats without Blake. I was meaning “after” as in chronology rather than eminence.
Ah, so you’re asking for the name of a truly great poet after Yeats? Hart Crane.
In terms of chronology, I’d agree with your initial statement, then amend it to include Crane. “After Yeats, the only truly great poets are Dylan Thomas and Hart Crane.” Yes.
@@CalvinPoet Never heard of him, looking him up now. 🤔Born after Yeats died before him though, will sill give Crane a go. 🙏🏻
I hate that phrase "untimely death." As opposed to what, a timely death?
I think 49 Guinnesses is piggish. He was right.
He would have liked stalker.
"English poet"
What a shame the booze rotted his brain
He seems sharp enough to me and remember this is about 2 weeks before he died...
Hardly.
Evidence?
Genius is what he had - rotted vs. a non-rotted brain that produced nothing.
Dylan mashes the pretentious avant-a-clue NY art crowd with a swish of the tongue and a "bottoms up" fart of sarcasm....
Horizonta colon 😂
This clip proves that THE best English is spoken outside London and the south-east of England. Born in the year Dylan died a stone's throw from where he was, we both speak our English identically. Dylan never spoke Welsh; nor do I. There' s not a trace of a South Wales/Cardiff accent here; he would have abhorred that. If you want to hear English spoken correctly and musically you go to Scotland (Aberdeen is good!), or Ireland, or Wales. Why should this be the case? It has a lot to do with the 19th C tradition of education: you WILL speak 'proper' English. Americans find this mystifying. They get very confused.
Actually Dylan's parents were both Welsh speakers but his father was an English teacher and although both parents spoke Welsh to each other they spoke English to their children. Also they were sent to elocution lessons so they could learn received pronunciation. In other words his accent had nothing to do with where he came from it was education training and choice that produced it
Arthurian Mary Virgin mind Mi-Wife in Thomas Hardy's Fantastic-Ode Nightingale? Aristotle's Topic
non-Cloud-Denfly! from Prisoneromantics?
Mari-val-Arthur's void Cloudens
Wolf Tang(Yale dance School)
Aqua balt eagles' theologicalLink Horn's personalmightyardin-goat-scape!
Araba Eagle waiting Ring rebellingearomantic Arden oaths' PersonellenGravescapool
Rain's ailing weepeelore-sent Ominous Den's facing peopledRove/Missisipi? Water Coloriot explosionovelis Entire-edenight Nil symbolicorneRite Poe's Raven unwhiten-edi0
by Professor Yu-wan, Tang
(Architecture School Yale , Yale U.)
This is not a good reading.
It is not a Reading but personal comments.
Love Dylan. @devereuxmatthew