an actor should be able to act,a musician should be able to play an instrument,an artist should be able to draw ,a designer should be able to sew,a singer should be able to sing...but if you like marketing there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
In reference to the question of whether Jeff is responsible for his work when working with assistants, they might have used the analogy of the composer who doesn't play the instruments but is entirely responsible for the score. Great to hear his insightful take on life and his participation in it.
Of course. The "Who am I" form of self comes into question. Especially as an artist. I myself as an artist question the rules, who I am, what I'm doing, and what I'm saying all the time. It's very cathartic, spiritual, and often existential. Using assistants is totally fine by me. His studios are run in similar ways to other artist workshops of the past including Da Vinci's and Michaelangelos. I'd do the same if I had the liquidity for sure. As he said in the talk, "an artist needs liquidity." It's part of the exploration of art as an idea. For me the target keeps moving and that's the fun of it.
wow all these hate comments. I think they couldnt really talk "deep" because it was with the dealer. the subject of the talk might be a little different from just 'the artist talk'. As a person who has never met jeff koons or larry gagosian in person, I enjoyed this video. The audience asked questions that I always wanted to ask koons.
Sarah seems to have prepared well for the interview, but moderating is clearly not her skill set. She asked so many good questions, but piled them on and didn't pursue them that a lot of the important ones were let go. Kind of frustrating to be honest.
Why they all look more like typical businessman and not like artists at all? Especially the artist looks like a businessman or a lawyer. Office: That's the only thing I can think about right now.
Even bigger scam artist than Damien Hirst. At least Hirst started out with nothing and fought hard to get his work noticed. He does at least attempt to render some meaning in his art. Koons doesnt even do this - his biggest claim to recognition is that he has tested the boundaries of what is acceptable in modern society. His trains and basketball sculptures are simply disposable trash - an extension of the Duchamp tradition which has, by now, been thoroughly covered.
I adore Jeff Koons. Such a refined human being who has the unmatched courage to realize his vision among a world that misunderstands and berates him. Fortunately he is adequately remunerated for it!
Jeff Koons, has swindled, has marketed and coersed and perversed our idea of visual communication - his only claim to fame. (Maybe that was his intent.) Watching another jerk-off might be interesting for a minute and watching "art historians" jerk-off about "jerk-off" artists, well, that makes me sick! There will be nothing lasting from Jeff Koons... He's a "jerk-off"...
Let me begin by telling you that when my brother was just starting school, he rebelled at the rules of spelling. Why did words have to be spelled in a particular way? Why couldn't he spell them as he wanted to spell them? He resented the rules and he resisted the authority of those who made them ! Keep this in mind. I think that Conceptual art comes from people who could not and would not do the difficult work required to become a 'traditional' artist. Can't master the necessary skills ? Can't understand how to use color to create mood? Can't master composition? Can't draw or understand human anatomy? Can't figure out how to express your feelings with image? Can't be bothered ? Well then, belittle the importance of those skills and debase the notion that they are a prerequisite to creating art. Instead, create an art genre that you CAN do. A new genre...conceptual art. Conceptual artists claim that IDEAS and CONCEPTS are the main feature of their art. They can slap anything together and call it ''conceptual art'' confident that viewers will find SOMETHING to think about it no matter how banal or trivial the artist's concept! There is no way conceptual art pieces can be judged. The promoters of this art have attacked the motives and credibility of authorities and critics who might disparage the work. They have rejected museums and galleries as defining authorities. They reject the idea that art can be judged or criticized . All of this results in a decline in standards. And when you jettison standards, quality suffers. There really IS such a thing as BAD art ! We know this only because we have standards and criteria by which such things can be evaluated. It seems that conceptual art comes down to a basic idea: No one has the right or authority to make any judgments about art ! Art is anything you can get away with ! A whole new language has been created to give the work an air of legitimacy and gravitas. Conceptual art is 'sold' to the unwary public with ....."ArtSpeak". ArtSpeak is a unique assemblage of English words and phrases that the International Art world uses but which are devoid of meaning! Have you ever found yourself confronted by an art gallery’s description of an exhibition which seems completely indecipherable? Or an artist’s statement about their work which left you more confused than enlightened? You’re not alone. Here are examples of ArtSpeak: ''..she manipulates architectural structures in order to deconstruct socially defined spaces and their uses and test novel and playful possibilities." Or ' 'Works that probe the dialectic between innovations that seem to have been forgotten, the ruinous present state of projects once created amid great euphoria, and the present as an era of transitions and new beginnings.'' This language is meant to convince me that there is real substance to this drivel which is being passed off as 'art'. But I don't buy it. Plenty of other people DO buy it. But not because they understand or love the work. They are laying out enormous sums in the belief that their investment will bring them high returns in the future. One Jeff Koons conceptual piece is three basketballs suspended in a fish tank. Here is Koons' own ArtSpeak explanation of his floating basketball 'concept' verbatim: “ This is an ultimate state of being. I wanted to play with people’s desires. They desire this equilibrium. They desire pre-birth. I was giving a definition of life and death. This is the eternal. This is what life is like, also, after death. Aspects of the eternal” Rather lofty goals for 3 basketballs suspended in a fish tank!! It sold for $350,000. I wonder what it would have fetched without Koons' name attached to it. _____________________________________ Something radical has happened to the art scene in the past 50 years. Cubism slid into non-representational art....what is called Abstract. Abstract or non-representational art is a legitimate and often profound genre. But to many people, it appeared as if this new style had no structure or principles. It’s markings seemed random and arbitrary. Something that anyone could do. Any composition of blotches or scribbles was “Abstract Art”. This was the slippery slope that led to the abandonment of standards in art. Art is what I say it is ! And lots of people jumped on the art bandwagon. A tacit agreement forms among critics, galleries, publications and auction houses to promote and celebrate certain artists and styles. Objects with no artistic merit are touted and praised . Their value increases with every magazine article, every exhibition in a prestigious gallery. And when they come up for auction, sometimes the auction houses will lend vast sums to a bidder so that it appears as if the work of the particular artist is increasing in value. The upward spiral begins and fortunes are made. And many are reluctant to declare that the Emperor is, in fact, naked lest they appear boorish unsophisticated Philistines ! This now the state of Contemporary art. The love of money is the root of all evil. It has corrupted politics. It has corrupted sport. It has corrupted healthcare. It has corrupted religion. And now it has corrupted art. But, there is reason to hope. As much of the wisdom of the Greeks and Romans was kept alive through the Middle Ages in small pockets of learning and culture, ateliers have sprung up around the world that are devoted to preserving and handing down the traditional visual arts: drawing, painting and sculpting to each new generation. And when this craze for conceptual art has burned itself out and when visual art is no longer looked on as mere decoration and when schools that have dissolved their art programs want to reestablish them again, the world will find these skills preserved through the atelier movement.
This silly obsession with art prices is a major distraction from art itself. It's difficult to say if Koons' sculptures will be held in such high regard in 20, 50, 100 years from now. Prices have been driven up by dealers, auction houses, and super rich individuals : things have been particularly crazy since the 2008 GFC and the vast amounts on money that has been poured into the economy by the central banks - the entire market has been distorted and exploited as the richest people on earth have lost all sense of real value.
Larry gagosian is a real piece of work. Speak to anyone who has had the misfortune to work for him.
Definitely a big pile of... You may continue the sentence :)
Are these ("his") artists s l a v e s ?
Jeff Koons is the epitome of what's wrong with the art world today.
. . . so true. Completely OVERrated artist ! Concerning his most "beautiful" paintings: he just LET them paint by others (helpers)
"a stainless steel replica of an inflatable rabbit" yeah, okay guy.
What a great advertisement for Koons and Gagosian. It's funny how Sarah Thornton has left the art market.
Jeff Koons has since left Larry and David Zwirner for Pace. All is fair in...
an actor should be able to act,a musician should be able to play an instrument,an artist should be able to draw ,a designer should be able to sew,a singer should be able to sing...but if you like marketing there is nothing I can do to convince you otherwise.
In reference to the question of whether Jeff is responsible for his work when working with assistants, they might have used the analogy of the composer who doesn't play the instruments but is entirely responsible for the score. Great to hear his insightful take on life and his participation in it.
Of course. The "Who am I" form of self comes into question. Especially as an artist. I myself as an artist question the rules, who I am, what I'm doing, and what I'm saying all the time. It's very cathartic, spiritual, and often existential. Using assistants is totally fine by me. His studios are run in similar ways to other artist workshops of the past including Da Vinci's and Michaelangelos. I'd do the same if I had the liquidity for sure. As he said in the talk, "an artist needs liquidity." It's part of the exploration of art as an idea. For me the target keeps moving and that's the fun of it.
Art is not exclusively for the poor.
wow all these hate comments. I think they couldnt really talk "deep" because it was with the dealer. the subject of the talk might be a little different from just 'the artist talk'. As a person who has never met jeff koons or larry gagosian in person, I enjoyed this video. The audience asked questions that I always wanted to ask koons.
Sarah seems to have prepared well for the interview, but moderating is clearly not her skill set. She asked so many good questions, but piled them on and didn't pursue them that a lot of the important ones were let go. Kind of frustrating to be honest.
The account of the meeting of these two intellectual giants is truly electrifying!
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@@salvatoregarau8949 P roo . . . :D
Quite comical listening to this in the background while reading all the comments fully shaming, and hating these two guy, and all they stand for.
And all of you people from Pennsylvania could have been making rabbits and selling them for a million bucks. That's gotta sting a little.
😁😁😁
Rich People Getting Richer: The Jeff Koons Story
U mad tho?
And now I could GAS about Larry
Clever Jews in Abu Dhabi.. The irony. We can make gold from sand and you won't know the difference.
Sad.....future generations of artists......HELP!
Why they all look more like typical businessman and not like artists at all? Especially the artist looks like a businessman or a lawyer. Office: That's the only thing I can think about right now.
+Dorota Krimmel it's a big misconception to imagine that artists are supposed to have a certain look at all. these are grown adults,
But is it art?
The video smells money
. . . s t i n k s c o m p l e t e l y . . .
so fucking sad!!!!!!
Even bigger scam artist than Damien Hirst. At least Hirst started out with nothing and fought hard to get his work noticed. He does at least attempt to render some meaning in his art. Koons doesnt even do this - his biggest claim to recognition is that he has tested the boundaries of what is acceptable in modern society. His trains and basketball sculptures are simply disposable trash - an extension of the Duchamp tradition which has, by now, been thoroughly covered.
Both artists are fraud
These two are incapable of talking about aesthetics outside of it's role as a commodity.
👍👍👍 . . . gruesome . . .
boooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiing
The old boys art network in action. Money ne'er a mentioned. Do yourself a favour and read this... our blog; www.bogsideartists.com/blog/?p=2041
Llooolll
This talk has nothing of substance for aspiring artists. Unless you know a rich white man named Larry Gagosain, this is a waste of time
I adore Jeff Koons. Such a refined human being who has the unmatched courage to realize his vision among a world that misunderstands and berates him. Fortunately he is adequately remunerated for it!
Jeff Koons, has swindled, has marketed and coersed and perversed our idea of visual communication - his only claim to fame. (Maybe that was his intent.) Watching another jerk-off might be interesting for a minute and watching "art historians" jerk-off about "jerk-off" artists, well, that makes me sick! There will be nothing lasting from Jeff Koons... He's a "jerk-off"...
Let me begin by telling you that when my brother was just starting school, he rebelled at the rules of spelling.
Why did words have to be spelled in a particular way?
Why couldn't he spell them as he wanted to spell them?
He resented the rules and he resisted the authority of those who made them !
Keep this in mind.
I think that Conceptual art comes from people who could not and would not do the difficult work required to become a 'traditional' artist. Can't master the necessary skills ?
Can't understand how to use color to create mood?
Can't master composition?
Can't draw or understand human anatomy?
Can't figure out how to express your feelings with image?
Can't be bothered ?
Well then, belittle the importance of those skills and debase the notion that they are a prerequisite to creating art.
Instead, create an art genre that you CAN do.
A new genre...conceptual art.
Conceptual artists claim that IDEAS and CONCEPTS are the main feature of their art.
They can slap anything together and call it ''conceptual art'' confident that viewers will find SOMETHING to think about it no matter how banal or trivial the artist's concept!
There is no way conceptual art pieces can be judged.
The promoters of this art have attacked the motives and credibility of authorities and critics who might disparage the work.
They have rejected museums and galleries as defining authorities.
They reject the idea that art can be judged or criticized .
All of this results in a decline in standards.
And when you jettison standards, quality suffers.
There really IS such a thing as BAD art !
We know this only because we have standards and criteria by which such things can be evaluated.
It seems that conceptual art comes down to a basic idea:
No one has the right or authority to make any judgments about art !
Art is anything you can get away with !
A whole new language has been created to give the work an air of legitimacy and gravitas.
Conceptual art is 'sold' to the unwary public with ....."ArtSpeak".
ArtSpeak is a unique assemblage of English words and phrases that the International Art world uses but which are devoid of meaning! Have you ever found yourself confronted by an art gallery’s description of an exhibition which seems completely indecipherable?
Or an artist’s statement about their work which left you more confused than enlightened?
You’re not alone.
Here are examples of ArtSpeak:
''..she manipulates architectural structures in order to deconstruct socially defined spaces and their uses and test novel and playful possibilities."
Or '
'Works that probe the dialectic between innovations that seem to have been forgotten, the ruinous present state of projects once created amid great euphoria, and the present as an era of transitions and new beginnings.''
This language is meant to convince me that there is real substance to this drivel which is being passed off as 'art'.
But I don't buy it.
Plenty of other people DO buy it.
But not because they understand or love the work.
They are laying out enormous sums in the belief that their investment will bring them high returns in the future.
One Jeff Koons conceptual piece is three basketballs suspended in a fish tank.
Here is Koons' own ArtSpeak explanation of his floating basketball 'concept' verbatim:
“ This is an ultimate state of being. I wanted to play with people’s desires.
They desire this equilibrium.
They desire pre-birth.
I was giving a definition of life and death.
This is the eternal.
This is what life is like, also, after death.
Aspects of the eternal”
Rather lofty goals for 3 basketballs suspended in a fish tank!!
It sold for $350,000.
I wonder what it would have fetched without Koons' name attached to it.
_____________________________________
Something radical has happened to the art scene in the past 50 years.
Cubism slid into non-representational art....what is called Abstract.
Abstract or non-representational art is a legitimate and often profound genre.
But to many people, it appeared as if this new style had no structure or principles.
It’s markings seemed random and arbitrary.
Something that anyone could do.
Any composition of blotches or scribbles was “Abstract Art”.
This was the slippery slope that led to the abandonment of standards in art.
Art is what I say it is !
And lots of people jumped on the art bandwagon.
A tacit agreement forms among critics, galleries, publications and auction houses to promote and celebrate certain artists and styles. Objects with no artistic merit are touted and praised .
Their value increases with every magazine article, every exhibition in a prestigious gallery.
And when they come up for auction, sometimes the auction houses will lend vast sums to a bidder so that it appears as if the work of the particular artist is increasing in value.
The upward spiral begins and fortunes are made.
And many are reluctant to declare that the Emperor is, in fact, naked lest they appear boorish unsophisticated Philistines !
This now the state of Contemporary art.
The love of money is the root of all evil.
It has corrupted politics.
It has corrupted sport.
It has corrupted healthcare.
It has corrupted religion.
And now it has corrupted art.
But, there is reason to hope.
As much of the wisdom of the Greeks and Romans was kept alive through the Middle Ages in small pockets of learning and culture, ateliers have sprung up around the world that are devoted to preserving and handing down the traditional visual arts: drawing, painting and sculpting to each new generation.
And when this craze for conceptual art has burned itself out and when visual art is no longer looked on as mere decoration and when schools that have dissolved their art programs want to reestablish them again, the world will find these skills preserved through the atelier movement.
Well said!
Never mind all that…how did your brother make out?
@@Lasher500 I'm so glad you asked.
He became an editor LOL
This silly obsession with art prices is a major distraction from art itself. It's difficult to say if Koons' sculptures will be held in such high regard in 20, 50, 100 years from now. Prices have been driven up by dealers, auction houses, and super rich individuals : things have been particularly crazy since the 2008 GFC and the vast amounts on money that has been poured into the economy by the central banks - the entire market has been distorted and exploited as the richest people on earth have lost all sense of real value.
Zzzzzzzzzz
speak about comercials??¿ no art . yes robertwill23 only sale, and salesman. They kill art.
Yup. They beat it to DEATH . . .
love to hear personal thoughts by artists but the girl is a bit annoying,,