Chinggis Khan's Quest for Eternal Life? Qiu Chuji, 1219-1223
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Perhaps the most well known religious figure of the early Mongol Empire was the Taoist master, Qiu Chuji, known also as Master Changchun. In 1219, Qiu Chuji was summoned to make the long trek to meet Chinggis Khan, and bring to him the elixir for eternal life. Since Chinggis has been dead for 800 years, obviously they were not successful in this endeavor, but we do see here a rather different side of Chinggis than we have before.
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Ch’ang-ch’un: The Travels of an Alchemist: The Journey of the Taoist Ch’ang-Ch’un from China to the Hindu Kush at the Summons of Chingiz Khan. Translated by Arthur Waley. Londo: Routledge & Sons, 1931. archive.org/de...
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I'm writing a paper on Chinggis Khan and the Khwarezmian Empire. Your videos have been more informative, entertaining and easily understandable than any other resource I have found on the topic. These videos are of the highest order and clarity.
Thank you very much
Thank you for the kind words, this is very much my hope for these videos. I think for many people, this topic can be much more understandable just seeing where they are on a map.
I hope your paper goes well; if you need a sources, I always list the ones I use in the video description, and if you need more please don't hesitate to ask.
Imagine an alternate history where Genghis Khan actualy managed to gain eternal life, and conquers the earth... Glorious.
« Avoiding sexual intercourse*
I think Genghis failed that one just a little bit...
One detail I didn't include here, is that while Qiu Chuji was just byeond Yen (modern Beijing), he made a fuss that his guide, Liu Zhonglu, was collecting a number of women for Chinggis' harem. Qiu Chuji refused to travel with them, something about the impurity of being in their prresence or something. I quite like the humour of ol' Chinggis telling Liu Zhonglu "oh by the way, can you pick me up somemore women while you're out collecting this incredibly holy old man?"
I wonder how persuasive Chinggis was... i bet he was highly skilled at debates and coercion to attract so many talented and loyal followers to his side. Equaling the likes of Alexander, Napoleon and perhaps Hitler.
Thank you so much for making a video on Qui Chuji. Serendipity, once again.
I'm glad it is appreciated! I know a video like this isn't the sort to bring in wide audiences, but I love covering little known topics like this (something other than talking about massacres for once too, which is nice!)
Imagine telling Chengis that the true gift was friendship all along.
Thank you for posting these videos
Yay, new episode!
Sometimes I put one of those up
I love that everyone dying in their 60’s didn’t deter peoples beliefs. They had true faith in crap.
Translations of Qiu Chuji's journey:
Bretschneider, E. Notes on Chinese Medieval Travellers to the West. London: Trübner & Co, 1875. play.google.com/books/reader?id=QwXwHwwtnYYC&hl=en&pg=GBS.PA23 (starts page 15)
Bretschneider, E. Mediæval Researches From Eastern Asiatic Sources. New York: Barnes & Noble, 1888. depts.washington.edu/silkroad/texts/changchun.html
Ch’ang-ch’un: The Travels of an Alchemist: The Journey of the Taoist Ch’ang-Ch’un from China to the Hindu Kush at the Summons of Chingiz Khan. Translated by Arthur Waley. London: Routledge & Sons, 1931. archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43995/page/n7
Did Genghis tell qiu that he was a descedent of Xiongnu?
You mean the Xia family who ruled China and then went to northern China
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It’s ok to pronounce qiu chuji as kiu chu gi
wow great vid but horrible Chinese pronunciation. should consider using IPA or other guide to get the names right next time
There must be some great benefit to governments for congregation of docile people by temples in order for them to be granted tax freedom.
You won't believe in India our ancient text says that complete celibacy( brahmcharya) for 12 years celibacy of thoughts words and deeds makes a man supernatural
The only reason is ... Finding eternity...Else india will have been conquered....
Who got enlightened in the meeting between chingis and qui chu ji? Qui chu adviced chingis to abstain from sex, which chingis didn't. So qui chi ji might have been enlightened that living without having any fun for a long time is not so good. 😜
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0:36, I wanna stress that the term "Han Chinese" is rather anachronistic here, as the so-called "Han Chinese" ethnicity didn't take its modern form until the late 19th to early 20th centuries, influenced by western ideology of race and ethnicity. Ruled by Sinitic people is more appropriate in this case.
That's a rather good point you've raised, and one which had me doing quite some thinking over the past day or two. It's quite interesting that (at least in the scholarship which I read, which is generally focused on the Mongols or the Jin dynasty) the Song is always just 'the Han Chinese empire,' even though, as you rightly pointed out, there would be many, many people within the Song's domains who wouldn't consider themselves Han: though it certainly fits modern narratives if they're all homogeneous in that regards. I wonder in more Song-focused literature if it is quite depicted as such? That's definitely something I'm going to keep an eye out for in future.
I'd imagine most historians who, like me, equate the Song as Han Chinese is to emphasis the a) foreign ruler ship of the Liao, Xi Xia, Jin and Yuan dynasties it competed with and b) how the Song depicted themselves as the standard bearer of Chinese civilization carrying the torch from the earlier Han and Tang Dynasties. Still though, for accuracy's sake it was certainly not an empire made up entirely of Han peoples, and you're quite right for bringing this to my attention.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory People within the Southern Song territory weren't homogeneous. Some first-hand Song records about the ethnic minorities in their territory, particularly 嶺外代答 (Answers about the peoples and cultures beyond the Nanling Mountain Range) by the 12th century civil official Zhou Qufei, stressed the fact that Guangxi, Guangdong, and Hainan had numerous Non-Sinitic tribes. Chapter 1 of that book talked about the tribes in Guangdong and Guangxi, while chapter 2 of that book talked about Hainan, the various SE Asian kingdoms, and India; Chapter 3 talked about the Abbasid Caliphate, the Byzantine Empire, and the Almoravids of North Africa. I'm not sure if there's a translation of this book available in English though.
I don't think there will be an english translation of that, unfortunately. There aren't very much for Song-era works which have been translated into English. In my own work, I can easily find translations of numerous Persian and Arabic language pieces which discuss the Mongol Empire, and their rule in China. But, Chinese works have not seen quite the same attention and it is hard to get anything more than short excerpts in English of even really prominent works like the Yuan Shih. A historian and friend of mine, Stephen Pow, has spent quite some time showing how translating and incorporating these Chinese materials would do a lot to dispel popular myths on the Mongol Empire: in particular, he recently wrote an article on Subutai which used his Yuan Shih biographies, which does a fine job of pointing out the anachronisms which have grown around him on the internet and some popular western literature. But accessing less well known work like that of Zhou Qufei is thus really difficult.
If you would be willing to provide me a detailed summary of Zhou Qufei’s chapters, then I would love to try to incorporate that information into a future video. What I always find extremely fascinating is the intercontinental connections which existed before and during Mongol rule. I find people often expect the pre-modern world to consist of extremely sheltered people with no knowledge of the world outside their village. However, I’ve found again and again that people across Asia did have (a sometimes vague, to be fair) knowledge of the world around them, and were much more interconnected than popular (at least in North America) misconceptions of the pre-modern world.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Unfortunately, I don't have access to this book, and I can't provide you a detailed summary of its chapters. I could only find a very basic list of its chapters on the Internet. It's probably kept somewhere in a Chinese museum.
Yes, ancient Chinese (and other ancient peoples of Asia) already had exchanges with other civilizations on the Eurasian continent for hundreds if not thousands of years before the rise of the Mongols. And they certainly had a general knowledge about the world they inhabited.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Wait, I've found an electronic version of this book online, but it's in Classical Chinese and it's very hard for me to translate all the text. Maybe you could use Google Translate to translate it. Here's the address:
yuedu.163.com/book_reader/62e7fecd4ae043178c21129f9a3a530c_4
The way you pronounce that name is too annoying.