Why I love Jesus but WON’T follow him
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Jesus’ teachings weren’t all good. Some I admire, but others make little sense when viewed outside the context of his actual character as a Jewish apocalyptic prophet. Jesus allowed slavery and advocated for retributive justice as a result of his apocalyptic view, for instance.
Here I talk apocalypticism, evil, social justice, teaching morality through story, guarding moral stories as a matter of identity, and why I'm not a Christian. My perspective on what it means to be a Christian is influenced by my experience as an ex-Evangelical, but hopefully this deconstruction of Jesus’ moral teachings is of some value to those with different experiences.
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You get a pass, homie.
Are you verified as Jesus Christ?
@@ej191 I personally saw him turn water into wine. I consider that verification.
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One issue I've found with claiming to be a "Follower of Jesus" is everyone has their own idea of what Jesus is about. Because Jesus is thought to be the perfect model for humanity everyone grafts their own personal values onto him. Was Jesus a pacifist or did he sometimes advocate violence? Was Jesus liberal or conservative? It depends on who you ask.
So true
Well said. BEWARE A CONGENIAL JESUS!
The Bible itself is all about people putting their words into it to get what they want out of it
i think this is a big part of what has made christianity so successful
7 different Jesus' in the Greek New Testament. We're suppose to use reason and discernment to choose the right one.
Kinda like Muslims have 7 Quran.
The Israelites only have 2 YHWH...and keep choosing the YHWH of Teman/Beer-sheba.
I am Christian, but I agree with a lot more of what you state here that the great majority of my fellow Christians. I definitely appreciate you sharing your thoughts on these things. For me, I would prefer many more people with your sensibilities and far fewer religious people who would impose their wills on the rest of us.
There's a toxic version of Christianity in our politics, right now, and I wish we had more people who think like you in office.
I'm an atheist but I know what my options are in America, so I'd much rather vote for the Good Christian than the bad one because good Christians are good people.
Fellow Christian here to say the same thing. The end in particular, about tribalism, strikes right at the heart of a major issue with Christian culture today. Christians would greatly benefit from hearing the views Drew has shared here.
You agree with a faulty premise?
The real question is, why are you a Christian? (Aside from being brought up inculcated into it like the vast majority of religious people are).
Thank you for commenting here, that takes strength in these deeply divided times. never let anyone make you think you are bad or unintelligent for being a Christian. I have known many good Christians that shine out their values and build people up. I hope that my intense skepticism of religion is wrong, and that you get to enjoy a lovely afterlife. Take care, neighbor who I love.
When I see the perfect Christian. I see someone who makes others see them as someone who has as the Bible says “peace that passes all understanding”. I also see them as someone who genuinely wants to help people and give them the best time of their lives, even it it only lasts for a few moments. I am a very die hard Christian, and I try my best to be like this, but I fail a lot sometimes. But as the Bible says “A righteous man falls seven times, but he keeps getting back up”. To whoever is reading this, I hope this puts a smile on your face, and that Jesus loves you. God bless everyone. 😊
Their was only one perfect Christian is Jesus himself no Christian is perfect
@@Corzzz that’s truest thing I have in my life man
There is no Perfect Christian, if there was it is Jesus never commited any sins because he was God
It was Jesus@@jheonnetacbobo550
@@Corzzzthere’s no perfect Christian actually, Jesus isn’t a Christian. But Jesus is perfect that part I will agree with
Bold title. Unapologetic atheism. Always kind, respectful, honest, and empathetic. This is my favorite atheist channel on RUclips, and in my opinion: the best.
I think if more of the atheist channels were less mocking in tone, they could be doing so much more good. SciManDan is great but he's getting steadier more mocking and snide in tone making his content less attractive to the people he really should be aiming for. Drew is on a great track, doing great work helping people out of the god delusion.
@@BoudiciaDark hard agree, but it's kinda hard not to be snarky when faced with what they are facing. Which makes Drew all the more admirable.
You’re thrown off, the God of the Bible has left evidence in every category so that you have no excuse on judgment day!
you cannot out science nor out psychologize the Bible, it’s the fact that your boy here doesn’t have the facts!
Ever heard of fake news?
I think there are many channels that agree with Drew's ethos, and when they do get snarky it isn't in a video meant to build a bridge, but to talk on a specific person or ideology in depth. This specifically, in my opinion, isn't a problem.
@James Henry Smith There’s no laughing in hell so stop mocking God
As a Nigerian. The fact that you referenced Fela absolutely made my day. You’ve earned my Sub.
Fela Kuti is internationally famous.
Me tooooooo!
I took mine away because now he gets into current day politics. Not what I subscribed for. But you guys have fun!
@@AmstradExin How?
I haven't watched all of his videos but can you explain how.
@@AmstradExin no one cares.
Hi Drew, I recently searched in myself for an answer of what is right/real and have decided that I am atheist. I'm planning on telling my family this weekend, including my devout catholic brother. I've been anxious about the conversation and the "are you sure" type questions and possible shunning from them, and your channel has really helped me prepare myself. Thank you for the content you make
If you expect the possibility of getting shunned away, then consider doing this only if you are financially independent . Ofcourse just a suggestion, do what you wish to do .
Good hunting, friend! I've been deconstructing for over a year now, and I still haven't found the courage to do this. Good on you for being true to yourself!
Good luck, mah dude!
That’s tough Chris. I can only imagine the anxiety level for something like this. Might I suggest you go for a run or a workout before the conversation to help clear your head. Good luck
Good luck, it won't be easy but it will be worth it.
Left the Catholic Church formally at 18. My mom kicked me out of the house for that and I was forced to join the army or be homeless…. Your videos help me so much. Thank you. I stand for what I believe and your words explain my beliefs in a verbal structure I could not have assembled, so thank you.
Your mom didn’t embody Christ’s attitudes. If god is real she’s definitely going to hell
i’m so sorry that happened to you, you deserve better. i hope life is kind to you, and you feel loved and supported by those around you
Did you join the army
I did! Gave me a lot of opportunity, and more importantly it gave me autonomy over my personal beliefs which for some reason you aren't allowed to have in your parents home.@@Whatisbrotalkingabout
I appreciate that, and I can confirm that while life has not been kind in the past, I am doing quite well now, and I have made a life for myself with people that do support me for who I am!@@floristfindspeace
One of the reasons I appreciate and support your channel is the lack of snark. It's what sets you apart. And we should definitely come up with an anti-snark word, because I don't mean you are "tolerant". You call out illogical and damaging ideas in Christianity regularly. But you don't just mock those ideas, you refute them.
I enjoy good snark as much as the next atheist. I just don't think it gets us anywhere.
Question: Why does it have to be "anti" snark? Can't you just have snarkless comments? Maybe we should give snarkle warnings at the end of our comments like "Snark intended" Or Snark unintended". Kind of like a sarcasm warning because it's hard to read in this format. I also disagree about snark not getting us anywhere. I have started many good discussions with snark. It's like baiting a trap.
@@littlebitofhope1489 Snark is really useful to help apostates/deconverters process the things about religion they have known and thought to be ridiculous, absurd, or obviously harmful.
Drew speaks respectfully, perhaps that's the word you're looking for?
@@jazzpear8877 I don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate, please?
@@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 When you are taught things and told that if you don't think those things, or think differently that you will be tortured for all eternity, a little snark can help you reprocess those thoughts. Example: The Claim is that Jesus is all loving and perfect. So the snark in that instance could be " Riiiight, because supporting slavery is soooo loving and people who support it are perfect". An eye roll is good here too.
"I follow ideals, not those who profess them." I adopted this mantra as a teenager, when I finally realized that the political party my family voted for was not nearly as idealistic as they pretended to be (or even that my family believed them to be).
Wise teenager.
That's both parties, unfortunately.
@@enthusedfern That's precisely why I didn't specify which party my family votes for.
@@rdfears Unfortunately, thats all the parties everywhere at all times.
Hey man some people might display and represent God the complete opposite of who he is but the truth is God is good..
So nice to hear this. I have never been a believer of any kind (family was nominally Catholic), but I once got into an online argument with a stauch atheist because I said the Bible is an important historic source. She proceeded to excoriate me for "believing in talking animals etc," completely missing the point that any ancient book is a record of the culture and era that produced it.
My own view of Christ is as a reformer, critical of the hypocrisy of his time, caught up in an apocalyptic expectation. Somehow he was associated with Jewish zealots and was executed as a political subversive. When the apocalypse didn't happen his followers re-interpreted his stories (and life) and came up with Christianity.
I think this is quite well thought through.
Regarding the online argument, I suspect your interlocutor assumed you meant that it was (fully or mostly) accurate to reality. I agree that it doesn't have to be true to be valuable. I doubt anyone claims the Iliad is completely true either, but various historical information has been pulled from that too.
@@Isaac-hm6ih Yes, I love it when we find bits of verifiable fact in ancient legends. A city of Troy has been verified, and there's evidence of a war at about he time the legends would have it. Most likely a protracted naval war over trade routes and access to the Black Sea. In such a war the kidnapping and holding hostage of your enemies' high ranking people is very plausible. Give this a few centuries of oral tradition and you get the abduction of Helen and the ten-year Trojan War.
Then sailors getting lost and taking years to make it back home is a plausible scenario also.
He was also caught up in his delusions of being the son of god .
“When the apocalypse didn’t happen”
It will happen someday though
@@tvhead7074 But not within the lifetime of the people he was talking to, as he (allegedly) promised it would.
As another "Christian" here, I just want to thank you for the CIVIL discourse. Also, I appreciate you answering this question in a very diplomatic approach, not that I think you should have to. Too many radicals among us and when we really drill down to it, we should all just try to love one another and create a safe space for each person, based on the most very basic human "moral" compass (I believe) the majority of us have that we can agree on. And support each other in a way that does not infringe on your personal values, or others.
I highly agree! Its so sad that Christianity is taken so strictly nowadays. Its like another cult, with all the rituals and stuff, but lacking the proper mindset nor the frame of understanding when partaking in them. I would even go to lengths as to asking why there are rituals in the first place. Jesus did say "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me" but many Christians denominations substitute Christ for their rituals.
Its Basically saying that the God of all fell short with his plans.
I also just took notice of the quotation marks. Please please do not view this as an attack🙇🙇.
I believe that we, Christians, Athiests, Muslims, and all of the other people subscribing to other worldviews, Must put our differences aside and be advocates for peace.
UBUNTU HUMAN ETHICS
Rderers and rapists should be allowed to go scot free on the hope that they will reform
Of course we must be for oeace.But oeace is not compromise
@@kynehlscottmisajon8523Well the whole point is kinda to take it all strictly. It’s a whole basis of heaven or hell. Also what rituals are you talking about? I get we have marriage, baptism, and communion which Jesus told us to do. Unless you’re talking about Catholic rituals then I can’t speak for them.
There are definitely good things you can take out of the bible and teach them in a morally good way. Sadly there is also the opposite. From personal experience: my dad always uses God as his own opinion amplifier.
For example: You don't need to care for the environment, because the bible tells mankind to subdue the earth and have dominion over it! (yes he really said that)
I guess that is always the problem with literature, people can pick out the things they like or find morally right, and take that as a confirmation. But the morality in this case doesn't come from the book, it has been decided what is good when picking whatever you need as confirmation.
The whole "confirmation" thing really bugged me when I was still a Christian and actually sparked my deconstruction. I realized people can literally use anything to justify what they think God is telling them 🙄
One could argue, that to not care for the environment, one will lose dominion over the earth, as it will be impossible to hold dominion over it once climate change gets to powerful. By us controlling the climate (because the earth doesn’t care about climate, we do.) we are therefore doing our god given duty of subduing the earth.
Exactly. If you're using your inner moral compass to pick which parts to accept and which ones to reject, then your moral beliefs already existed within you; you're not sourcing them from the Bible itself.
And indeed, if you were to use moral teachings you got from the Bible to reject some other parts of the same text, you'd have to conclude that the Bible is self-contradictory.
@@TheGreennaruto I might use this in conversation with my deeply religious family, thank you ❤️
Neuroimaging studies indicate that when people are asked to think about what God believes or values, they tend to wind up engaging the parts of their brain to do with what they themselves believe. This is distinguishable from when they are asked to think about what other people (both real people, and imagined characters such as aliens or cartoon characters, as it turns out) believe.
It's reasonable to infer that most people don't like to see themselves as actively harmful in ways that might not be forgivable, so their conception of ultimate authority are going to be congruent with their own ideals.
Citation:
_Believers' estimates of God's beliefs are more egocentric than estimates of other people's beliefs_ by Epley, Converse, Delbosc & Cacioppo
As an exvangelical and an agnostic, I've done a lot of processing of how I feel about the Christian religion…not so much about how I feel about Jesus the Teacher. Thank you for highlighting some of the ways I can still admire him…but also some of the reasons his teachings and moral precepts fall short.
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@@loturzelrestaurant Some More News actually lets me laugh at some things I had been unable to find humorous (at all).
appears to be a lot of conflicts within you. being atheist solves these conflicts.. it's all nonsense and wrong., maybe dangerous..
Did you ever fully read the gospels for yourself as an evangelical or just listen to a preacher? Just curious.
Doesn’t matter how you feel about Jesus, stop thinking with your feelings! God has left evidence in every category, the God of the Bible, so that you have no excuse on judgment day; I’m talking about that kind of evidence it’s a slam dunk/steel trap!
The biggest problem with Jesus in 2022 is that many Christians chose to replace him with ex-government employee Donald, thereby siding with the rich man over Lazarus.
"ex-government employee Donald" lol
Wow, I love this comment.
This is super legit. One of my reasons for leaving Christianity was that I realized the ideology of my demonination wasn't centered in Christ, it was centered in American Republicanism. And those are not the same thing.
@@RandomPrecision01 That's what I've heard many Americans unconsciously do. It's some sort of a political christianity.
Lmao!!
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Also Skep: *answers it clearly and succinctly*
Awww thanks!
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic I feel like you base a lot of your belief on humans.
What else is he meant to base his beleifs on?? Morality is a human issue?
@@kiyumo5006 I mean based on how good the people were in his church which it sounds like not great. Many people just G3’s a bad taste in their mouth because of one or two bad experiences. Kind of like f I only met two atheists ever and they both tried to murder me I would have an unfair bias against atheism because of my experience.
@@loffafm the people made him start seeing the fallacies within christianity. He actually did his research, and found that christianity isnt the one truth and thats why hes an atheist. Hes not basing his beliefs off any generalization
It confuses me that it's so hard to grasp that non-Christians can embrace certain of the ethical values attributed to Jesus. I'm not a Buddhist, either, but I find a lot of great ethical guidance from Buddhism, as well. But to be a balanced thinker and actor in the world, it's critical to view all of these structures objectively in order to gather the best overall view possible and then form a framework off of which to base our thinking and behavior.
Many of these revered teachers had similar ideas (and also culture-specific beliefs). They are remembered because they appeared at times when numbers of people were receptive to 'be excellent to each other' ('party[ing] on' optional).
@@julietfischer5056 Whoa.
Thank you for that beautiful response!
You're imposing your secular morality ON TO religions, and then cherry-picking out those bits that conform to your moral and ethical beliefs as a modern person, which is highly anachronistic.
This is disingenuous to the religions (since you refuse to fully appriate the religions, the good and the bad) and to yourself (since you're merely using religions as props to push a particular moral/ethical agenda, which is ironically, not very moral or ethical).
@@AnarchoAmericium You are fascinatingly both correct and incorrect simultaneously. I absolutely am cherry picking from various spiritual sources, as I've spent my entire life looking for my place in the universe. I think I've got a relative bead on it, but who am I to know? As for imposing anything on anyone, why would I ever do that? I don't know anyone else's relationship with the universe. I think you're reading too much into the post. I have come to certain ethical/moral conclusions based not on what I think I know, but what I've opened up my ears to learn.
Yet another awesome video. I deconverted from Christianity when I was 16, and was harassed by my family to the point where I was sobbing at school in fear of having to return home, and almost left for a shelter at one point. Less than half a year later, I convinced myself I was actually a 'nontheological Christian'. That lasted for almost a decade. It was basically a way for me to hide my atheism from my family without just nodding along to all of their fundamentalist beliefs. (Not implying that this is why other nontheologican Christians identify as such; this was simply my own experience.) I also went to a Christian middle school and high school, went to church multiple times a week, etc., so it was a significant part of my life and identity pre-deconversion.
Now that I'm at a place in my life where I feel secure on my own, I'm starting to be more open about my beliefs.. Anyone's guess how it'll go, but videos like these are indispensable as I try to articulate my thoughts!
Also, I had no idea you and your wife were fellow Austinites!! :D
Why do you not believe in God?
@@tvhead7074The question is why should we?
@@tvhead7074 which god?
Have you even once considered that without God, your life has no hope? You will die. If there is no God, you will stop existing. Nothing you do or experience here will mean anything when you are dead.
@@dooglitas Yes, I will die, and I will stop existing. :) That doesn't make me feel 'hopeless' or anything. It's just the circle of life.
My parents raised me as an atheist, but still told me about the story of Jesus. Around the age of 15 I started to doubt his existence. Maybe he existed 2000 years ago, but not as the person that is described in the bible. I believe he was a person, or multiple persons that were put under a collective name, that thought progressive things for his primitive and tribal time period
Right...it was a common name of the time since the locals were expecting the messiah due to prophecy. Likely there were many itinerant rabbi named Jesus in that area...
When it comes to legend, it always have exaggeration, that just how people think in the past to make it interesting or useful.
From a historical prespective, we have more evidence for Jesus of Nazareth than we do for Alexander the Great.
@@gaz3606- And how storytelling works. The idea that, say, certain criminals were fighting evil and corruption simply because they robbed banks and trains (banks and railroad companies were not popular) led to re-casting common thugs as Old West versions of Robin Hood. That was helped along by dime novels written even as outlaws robbed banks, trains, stagecoaches, and anyone else who had what they needed/wanted.
Or think of any story that gets shared around social media. The actual events are often more complex and interesting, or people decided that a horrific crime needed further embellishment, or that something _had_ to have happened this way or that because it fit their ideas.
Mercedes Lackey had some fun with this in her Tarma and Kethry stories. One book has a selection of heroic ballads about their fight against evil--and every verse is accompanied by what really happened. Another has the incidents written out as full stories, with a bard on hand who made sure the 'truth' was known.
@@Akira-jd2zr except that's not very likely at all is it.
Drew , I’m from Tn , dead center of the Bible Belt. I grew up in Southern Baptist church. You are a remarkable young man. I think there’s a lot of religious trauma imbedded in us. I never doubted my faith , until my mom was killed by a drunk driver. It sent me into a tailspin on my beliefs. Curiosity, and grief , set my path on fire to understand, why I had believed in this mythological being that was so kind and loving. When in fact , he didn’t appear kind and loving at all. I realized I had been controlled my entire life, by fear. According to the church, the devil is always on my tail , and if I dnt believe, he will consume me. Not to mention, the cult I had been raised in , would no longer accept me. I struggle today with saying I do not worship Jesus or God. That fear envelopes me , when I’m honest. I find my self still praying to someone I dnt believe exists , out of habit , not belief. How do you let go of the guilt and shame, the fear that organized religion dished out so freely. I realize my writing isn’t scholarly, I’m expressing it the best I can. I appreciate your channel so much. I believe ppl can be kind and loving , w out organized religion. You are amazing in explaining and verbalizing your thghts and feelings.
You're expressing yourself well enough to make me count myself lucky that I wasn't raised in the Dutch Bible Belt.
Youve expressed yourself so elequently, and I know because I totally relate. My grandmother at 93, no longer beleives in God, and she can so accuatly describe why. I feel terrible for her, as an athiest, as I thought it could give her comfort to be Christian in her twilight years. But after her husband dying, and 10 years later her son taking his life, she sat back and decided to let go in a very positive way. She always said imagining her husbands spirit beside her in the car gave her comfort. But now she has found a partner in her late age, and she realised that she had to look at what was happening around her, and question is God really was going to save us all. She decided he wasnt, and in her old age decided to be the change she wished to see in the world. Its more complicated than that, but pain can sometimes change things and make things clear to us
One thing that i can say from a catholic perspective, is that good can always come from bad. Something that happened quite recently to one of my best friends was his dad died from cancer after a couple of years and left behind 7 kids a few not more then 10. They were devote catholics (and still are). Many would say that it is unfair of God to allow something like that, but after awhile i almost wish that that kind of death would befall me or my loved ones because although he and his family suffered greatly, they had a chance to say goodbye and share all that they could with each other before he died. and it’s something i wish i could have with everyone of my loved ones, the chance to say goodbye. Many people like you didnt get that chance. But, even the most terrible situations can have good come out of them. That’s something that you will have to find for yourself, spread awareness, tell others to appreciate the time that they have with their loved ones and make sure you are at the best relationship with the rest as you dont know when or how they might die. Death sucks, but if you only ever see the bad in it you will prevent your self from seeing good in other places, don’t let that happen, especially if you are very uncertain of what lies after. Make yourself the best you can be because if you dont, your mothers life becomes all the less worthless as it only made you and others suffer and squanders the potential that you have to make yourself and others happy.
There is an amazing subreddit called r/exchristian filled with people to talk to and find support from in the US
All Christian and Catholic religions are. Are overgrown cults. The only difference between the two is simply the number of members.
I couldn't agree more, Drew - especially the bit about attaching more importance to the story and one's identity than one's values. That pretty much sums up my inability to call myself a Christian. Like you, I have found too much value in such a wide variety of sources to adhere to just one
Just want to say that, as a Christian, I couldn't agree more with that part of the video too. Tribalism is a cancer in all of society, and it always breaks my heart when I'm reminded of how much of that is the fault of Christians.
I love this man. It took me 6 years to disconnect emotionally from the dogmatic teachings and just enjoy the learning, the history, the art. It's awesome
As an atheist, bible study has never been so lit 🔥
@@wulfosaurus1835 Covid - 19 was a made up story. Under the topic: FREEMASONRY lays all the needful answers. Don´t find those, then you missing skills to search. It is harsh fact, yet still remains a fact.
To all, who complain that BIBLE is written through man`s hand, don`t you not know nor haven`t notice: another populat book : HARRY POTTER is written also through human`s hand, but by satan himself.
to see in more detail that movie: HARRY POTTER, one can see how satan explains who he is - how he is - where and how old his kingdom is and what are his planes for us: humans. One, very noticeable is the seance were Black introduce their family tree to Potter. Looking at is carefully then it`s matching the family tree of those who are in power(royals, politics, freemasons).
WHO IS THEN SATAN ACCORDING TO YOUR WORDS AND OPINIONS?
For me - satan is my enemy, once a glorious Angel, yet as PRIDE was found in him, he lost his place in HEAVEN and felled down to earth and now without a body, only in spiritual form, he walketh around to see whom he : and today on this earth satan is known as god /with little g) and his kingdom is this fallen earth. Be not fool, for he is carring many names: the most known:
- LUCIFER,
- SATAN,
- THE OLD DEVIL,
- THE Baphomet - the false god/the god of freemasonry.
- The Prince of the air.
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Matthew 10:16 - Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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Why are we complaining about GOD, if it`s only our evil deeds that shock us? - rape, wars, drugs, creating pointless drama and more.
Earth is satan`s kingdom, satan is fallen god with fallen kingdom. SATAN IS DEFEATED. It is fact.
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Little about some topics: ABORTSION, SLEEPING AROUND = SHARING SEED AND NOT RAISING THESE UP.
And let me ask a hard question here and there: WHY MALES CAN`T AND WILL NOT KEEP THEIR REPRODUCTIVE TOOLS MORE UNDER CONTROL? WHY ON EARTH ARE MALES SHARING THEIR OWN BODY MEMBERS SO EASILY? WHY ARE THEY UNABLE TO SUDDENLY DEAL WITH THEIR OWN SEEDS THAT START GROWING AND BECAME TO BE AS HUMANS? If males do not ask hard questions from themselves and do not change then complaining about the topic: it`s no use. For MALE was created 1st - that means: on the shoulders of males lays the most. There`s a reason MALES were created in the shape of a match cup - to TRULY STAND STRONG AND BE STRONG. A man sharing his seed here and there IS NOT A STRONG NOR WISE MAN. Raising up all the seeds man has share`d - and raising them up in truth - THEN WE CAN SAY: THAT MAN IS STRONG AND WISE ALSO.
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If under your care are more then 1 child and only one shares your blood and you ain`t gonna feet them, you are then PURE EVIL. And no, being a MALE OR FEMALE ain`t matter here. for to make a child - both: MALE AND FEMALE IS NEEDED. Raising a child/children is the obligation of both. And if one can`t deal with raising a child/children then why sleeping around? Learn to ignore your fleshly desires. Learn to have control over your body. We already have billions broken souls, WHY ON EARTH WE ARE BUSY TO MAKE MORE? No, i`m not against having children and multiplying the earth with new generations. What i am against is: PRODUCING BROKEN SOULS. It is no good.
take care all the children living under your roof or the same will happen as was between 2 1st brothers ever lived on earth: CAIN AND ABLE. Jealously comes forth and one amongst these children, later in life, end up dead way before his or her time. Why? - because a child`s soul is broken. A child do not fully understand all the reasons why adults love one child more then others. That`s usually a reason why later in life, these children are enemies to each other. Raising a child/children, do not care about your own pride and opinions form other humans nor even your owns, CARE ABOUT HOW GOD SEES YOU AND TAKES YOU. Wrongly and unraised children = more violence in this world. And who are these who complain the most about this topic:? ADULTS in their old age. If we /all who are parents, no matter here is all the children are blood sharers or not/ make a way for more violence then no right is found for complain. We, older generations, want truly a change in this world, then let`s raise children in truth and in love. Lets be mad only if they do wrong, not because they do not share our genes.
Sadly, all humans ever lived - are wicked sinners, to become a saint - one MUST COME TO REPENTENCE AND BORN AGAIN. What truly means made in the image of GOD? - MADE IN 3. SPIRIT + SOUL + BODY - ALIVE HUMAN/LIVING SOUL. Let`s word it a little different: SPIRIT/GOD CREATED SPIRITS/HUMANS. We, humans are also SPIRIT BEINGS. Already ever lasting beings - that is one of the secrets of life. It`s just the body we live in, that must put on IMMORTALITY. So we, humans can be wholly everlasting beings. To be a human being - all 3 parts must be. It is sad, you still don`t know that nor understand.
Fact: nr.1: LUST AFTER ANOTHER`S HUMAN BODY AIN`T LOVE. True love is: LAYING DOWN ONE`S OWN LIFE /LIKE CHRIST DID FOR US/ SO OTHER`S CAN LIVE. THAT`S LOVE.
Fact nr 2: Real CHURCH IS HUMAN BODY ITSELF, FOR GOD IS A SPIRTI AND DO NOT NEED A BUILDING MADE BY HANDS. Know all the facts there is to know, lest you still be DECEIVED.
Fact nr. 3 Christianity was never a religion. It always been reality. It is time to fully understand that part. How come Christianity can and is reality? - Do some searching about FREEMSONRY.
Fact nr. 4: Being in gender/sex (for me, both words means the same thing) has only one purpose: TO MULTIPLY aka create new generations of humans.
Therefore if like you all stating, that gender and sex is changeable and optionable, then why not a single soul born without reproductive tools? and no, i do not mean here the "intersex" ones. for they born with confused body functions. That`s why they have both tools.
And by trying to change a sex/gender - you are stealing another human`s tools. Someone goes to grave without these.
Do not steal nor envy anything that another human have. But be wise and take care all that was given to you.
Use a little logic and even you are able to list real and logical facts.
If one leaves Christianity too easily, then sadly one haven`t had a clue, what is REAL CHRISTIANIY ALL ABOUT. That is fact nr 5.
Give some time and some chances and another soul comes form atheism to CHRISTIANITY aka become a Christ follower. No money needed to follow CHRIST. but it does cost us a lot: FOLLOWING A CHRIST COST US OUR EARTHLY LIVES.
Real Christian MUST BE WILLING TO SUFFER AND MUST BE WILLING TO LAY DOWN ONES`S LIFE, LIKE CHRIST DID FOR US, THE SAME WE DO FOR CHRIST.
Real Christians must come out from BABYLON AKA MATRIX , not find ways to still be in there.
Matrix is satan`s kingdom. How can you serve GOD in another`s god kingdom? - you can`t, you must make a chose: GOD OR MAMMON/SATAN? Whom you will serve? Where will you be forever: HEAVEN OR IN THE HOT LAKE?
Didn`t you notice? i give 4 more facts. Copy these and remember these.
Family betrayal is very real for ALL WHO FOLLOW CHRIST. in the tribulation period /7years long/ - Future for Christians: SUFFERING: HUNGER AND FREEZING, BETRYAL, MURDER, SHOT - STAB - BEHEADED. Even though we will truly suffer extremely on this earth - let`s rejoice, for out SPIRITS will be in HEAVEN comforted FOREVER. Why that extreme suffering? - BECAUSE WE WILL REJECT SATAN AND HIS MOTB.
And also another way to get stuff cleared out: play little with words:
CHRISTIANITY AND REALITY = BOTH END THE SAME. Last 3 letters in both words: ITY.
Truth is truth and remains a truth - out feelings - wishes - opinions and beliefs DO NOT CHANGE THAT.
Literally everything is dogmatic thinking there’s no such thing as free thinking
why? i mean what was the reason. if u enjoy all of that then how much more would u enjoy the presence of God?
@@wqpqpqkwndmmxxn3848 Our earthly lives ARE TEST and we are SPIRITS in the flesh for a test. Real lives start after living earth, and through FREE WILL, we all can choose is Heaven and life is what we want or the lake and torment is.
Make a wise chose and choose LIFE/GOD.
I think your hesitance in regard to tribalism is absolutely warranted. The "us vs them" mentality of Catholicism has been a barrier to my relationships with many other people I've come to deeply love and respect. As a Christian who is falling out of her faith, I agree with a lot of things brought up in this video, and while being confronted with opposing beliefs is uncomfortable, it's forcing me to grow. I'm afraid to leave the faith entirely at this point in my life because of familial pressure, but it's comforting to know that you can be a good person that follows tenets of multiple religions and philosophies without needing to have that label. I'm going to try to keep that in mind as I continue on my spiritual journey. Thank you.
Good luck in your journey
Are/were you a Catholic Christian?
The Kingdom of God is not tribal. Those who are tribal are either pretenders or uninformed immature Christians. At the end of the ages at the judgment, there will be no Baptist tribe, Catholic tribe, or Reform tribe. There will be no American Nation, Russian Nation, Indian Nation, or Chinese Nation. All these things, all these works will be burned up. John makes this clear. (Rev 7) “After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, *from all tribes* and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands”
I love how you're a kind athiest. My father was a really mean nasty athiest so some athiest statements are really really triggering for me. So its really nice i can learn from you without being in a bad mental state due to past experiences. -i am a new Agnostic
Thank you, I’m glad my approach works well for you!
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Seriously though, thank you so much. Your videos have helped me tremendously as I deconstruct from this nightmare lol
@@IWonder474 so everything came from nothing?
@@RedAvalanche98 wdym
I feel similarly. Drew discusses tribal behavior in this video, and even though I identify as atheist, I do it lightly bc i've seen _so_ many of the harsh, angry atheists. We can be just as tribal, so it is _very_ important to be as respectful as one can even if there is disagreement. People are multifaceted, so concentrating so much on one particular facet (i.e. their religiosity or lack thereof) while ignoring all of the others really does a disservice to the person. We really are all wells of infinite depth, and no one is as shallow as any stereotype.
On ‘ask an atheist day’ I was asked by a friend about celebrating holidays. I told him I do see myself a person who is a ‘ cultural Christian’ who celebrates their holidays but has different meanings for them.
Well put
The christian holidays were taken from the pagans in an attempt to overwrite the pagan culture. So if you are only following christian holidays and not the faith, that makes you more pagan than christian.
You celebrate their holidays or the pagan holidays they tried to replace?
As a former evangelical I cannot think of another word to describe Drew other than a ‘blessing’ -although the connotation means it comes from a higher power. Drew is a ‘blessing’ to the world and to RUclips. The way he explains his thoughts and the kindness and sensitivity he shows is so needed in this type of discourse. We as a human race are in dire need of understanding and recognizing our tribalistic nature/mindsets. I believe the ability to recognize and curtail tribalism is so needed to promote peace and cooperation.
Blessing doesn’t just mean from a higher power lol. It’s something beneficial and you’re grateful for.
As a Christian, I agree with Sabría. Not that you need my permission, but use “blessing” if that is the word that conveys the feeling.
You don’t need a god to be blessed.
Thanks for clarifying the label 'blessing ' and also in providing the definitions that follow...
I took a similar path where after I left Christianity I still imagined that I was a follower of Jesus. If I fell short of his teachings in, say, the Sermon on the Mount, that was my shortcoming. But I came to realize that I have no intention of following some of those teachings and I wouldn't recommend them to others. I actually find morally objectionable the commandment to forgive others or else be condemned. It could be psychologically beneficial to, over time, come to peace with someone who has harmed you. But no one owes their abuser anything.
Thanks . I am discussing this right now with my bf . We are both atheists. These moral values existed before this person calling himself the son of god was ever known .. and they exist in other cultures and religions. Why must we “ follow “ anyone or thing ? It feels like Drew needs something or someone to follow . This may be because of how he was raised . He needs an authority figure to follow to feel secure or reassured that his morality is valid. It was this way with me too. Except it was because I lost my sister , the authoritarian in the family . I floundered without her until I found the security in myself to move on without her influence . Our community determines our social values …
Who says that forgiving someone is something that you owe them?
Forgiving someone actually benefits you more than the person that you are forgiving because it allows you to let the past go so you can move on without that person even being in your life.
I know by example because I have forgiven my mother for saying that she hated me and wished I was never born and neglecting me as a child even though she has never admitted that she has even done such a thing in the first place despite having witnesses to the contrary and while me and me mother rarely interact with each other I am now able to move on without her in my life due to forgiving her despite her never admitting to doing such a thing.
@@danielblair4413 … there are many places throughout the Bible that talk about forgiveness. I think it’s up to the individual to decide how to move forward after someone has harmed them. I don’t take my instructions from a book written eons ago by men that knew nothing about me or my life . I decide what’s right for me . I’ve had many times in my 63 years to forgive people or not . It depends on the situation and the persons involved . If I let the situation eat at me then that is bad . I try not to take things personally and so I don’t wind up being mad at someone for starters . But I can move on from someone that has hurt me and not let it eat at me… including a father that abandoned me . I am sorry you had to deal with your mom in such a painful ways.
@@debkeyworth8429 What's wrong with taking instructions from the bible if there is good advice in the bible?
The bible was written by God NOT men.
God used men to write things down, but the men wrote what God told them to write, so God is the true author of the bible NOT the men that were used to write it.
@@danielblair4413 …there is some really bad advice in the Bible that doesn’t make any sense for anyone but if there is good advice then take it but it’s you that is thinking critically about any advice you take no matter where you get it . I don’t believe in any god so I will determine my behavior based on my own beliefs of right and wrong . Seems to me if god was real he would have revealed himself. Just a ridiculous mythological tale from men living in the dessert , dehydrated and hallucinating.
Jesus saved me! … No really, Iraq 2006 Jesus Ramos from San Antonio Texas saved me in a fire fight.
lol
I’m an atheist in the Deep South as well and I perceive Christ in much the same way you do. It’s refreshing to know others feel the same. I’ve also taken a lot of notes from this video because I think you explained it excellently. I hope I can one day explain my position so eloquently.
Thank you😊
@James Henry Smith I genuinely can’t tell if your being sincere or satirical. Either way, people have been saying things like this for as long as humans have existed. It doesn’t change the fact that we’re still here.
If your sincere, I’m sorry to tell you were not going anywhere and I hope you can come to terms with the fact that your actions play a significant role on the people around you. I hope you are doing everything in your power to make lives better rather than worse. Thank you. 😊
@@robertpauldelineiii3007 I have a friend who insists THE END can't come until Israel builds "the Third Temple". I vaguely recall something in the Bible about that.
I suggested nuking Jerusalem to save humanity -- he wasn't pleased.
Thank you for giving ex Christian’s a safe place to exist and deconstruct. It’s helped me tremendously
Good to know, doubt it though
By deconstruct, do you mean go to your own destruction?
@@PhilosophyOfNoa by deconstruct I mean leaving behind a religious belief structure that did nothing but traumatize me personally, And has done so to thousands of others. But thanks for telling me I’m going to hell just to prove my point
@@j.thespectre4708 All that I have authority or knowledge to say is that apostatizing is not a step toward salvation, but away from it, which is toward hell. If you don't change, I have no information to suggest you won't be in hell when you die. No amount of trauma at the hands of false teachers changes that. It only suggests that perhaps you'll all be there together. Deconstruction may be what you think you need for psychological comfort, but it's ultimately a destructive itself, since Christ is the truth. If you feel the need to reply to this, just know I won't respond. I don't expect to convert you to orthodoxy. I'm sorry protestantism hurt you. It is destructive by nature. But I can't support you or make you feel safe if you feel that me saying the truth is traumatic. Bless.
@@PhilosophyOfNoaYo dude, don’t damn him, pray for these people. These are the type of people that are deserving of God’s grace and mercy the most.
Also, how’s orthodoxy going for you? I think orthodoxy is wrong in the papacy and filioque, but we can disagree
As a life long atheist it’s hard to imagine the personal difficulties you, and every apostate, has to endure. I think your channel is the best of all the “atheist apologist” channels, and I admire your decision to rely on a calm presentation of you positions and arguments, rather than going for snarky. (Although, if I want snarky, I do enjoy Sir Sic)
I caught your wife’s video on “Christianse” today , she’s great. I imagine having someone so in sync with your journey must be great . You hit it out of the park there!
It really sucks growing up religious. I’ve always leaned toward atheism, but the family is a strong force when you are young. You don’t get to choose what happens.
Most People don't mind if I'm Agnostic when I tell them.
@James Henry Smith is this satirical? Because if not, holy shit that’s the wackiest thing I’ve heard in awhile.
@James Henry Smith beeet not. at least it seems like youre trolling
What is the name of his Wife’s channel?
I've been an Atheist for years now, but as a professional singer, I still make my living singing in a church choir. I've been struggling with how to label myself to other people, as well as my disdain for taking labels upon myself, and loved your take on the tribalism of labels, and how they can do more harm than good.
I'm really enjoying working my way through your content!
Thanks for everything you're doing.
I so appreciate this! Your video encapsulates why I left the church at 32 years old. I was born into the socially progressive, extremely self-aware denomination of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, and was a very active member my entire life. Because I was encouraged to explore and question my faith, I eventually drew the exact same conclusions as you. 1) Jesus was very, very wrong on certain things that can't be glossed over, and therefore 2) subscribing to a religion whose adherence to those incorrect assertions is a huge cause of the tribalism that is plaguing America simply doesn't make sense. So even though I loved the community that church provides, I left because staying would have required me to betray my own moral, ethical, and spiritual convictions.
Well said
Well Martin Luther stated 'every man their own priest' or words to that effect
same here
I love that the Truth never changes. You can literally see which churches have been infiltrated and subverted since they are so obvious about the inversion of logic.
Just curious what do you think Jesus was wrong about?
On my way out of Christianity I went through multiple steps. 1st I blamed the Evangelical church I belonged to for ostracizing me for what I thought was practicing what Jesus preached, mostly befriending local pagan and other “out” groups. Then I decided that I was a heretic of the anti-Paulist variety. After about a year of frustrating conversations and getting tired of labels I switched to the “Jesus as a good philosopher” thought process. Then after spending most of the rest of my 20s studying and even following other religions + philosophy, psychology and sociology I finally accepted that I am an atheist and was okay with it. GMS I only found your channel in the last week and I greatly appreciate your insight and ability to put into words things that I have always had trouble expressing and doing so kindly.
Okay I know you’re a troll but I am FASCINATED by the fact you think both Christianity and Islam can be true at the same time
"I get all I need from these figures' teachings without wearing them as an identifying label."
YES! Well said.
Man I feel you on growing up in the south and having religion pushed on you from an early age. As I’ve grown up I’ve fallen in and out of faith. Now that I’m a little older I honestly just label myself as a Christian because of the sense of community it makes me feel. Life’s not easy alone and even if you’re simply bonded by faith those little bonds are what get you through life.
For you Christianity is a social thing. A gathering of friends. This is not uncommon you’d be surprised that the majority of “Christians” are this way. They don’t really care for the teachings or for the faith going to church is for them akin to a social gathering. You’re only christian in appearance and thats 90% of them and then they think they have a right to develop this holier than thou attitude. You’d be surprised how many people you would have met if your weren’t tied down by christian morals. Man you don’t need to go to church for that, you seem like you’d be better off just having a hobby or some extra curricular activity to help you meet more people. Also you gotta learn that loneliness is an attitude.
It was pointed to this that life isn't easy and I get that but as long as you believe and have faith then you will get to the right path, and I don't mean as long as you have faith everything will be perfect, but life which is hard can be carry.
The thing about religion that really started to hit me was how it was shoved on to the slaves and our people just took it and ran with it.
I've been a Christian since I was 5, but I've only followed Jesus since the end of high school. I think the problem is most people who say they are Christians only follow the traditions to try and appear good, or to try and make themselves right with God. The problem is on the inside they are bitter, unforgiving people who are really just overt narcissists and dont care to put what Jesus or the rest of the bible says into practice in their own lives. Me and my best friend agree that the biggest problem with the religion is that it is mainstream.
Aside from that, I've noticed that Buddhism teaches many things that parallel what the bible actually says. I fully believe that if the world and everything in it were made by God, then we would be able to discover His nature by observing it, which I think Budhdism has done in part.
You make great points, genuinely and I tend to agree with your Buddhist statement; however, is Christianity about "being good" or the gospel? Or both?
@@lizicadumitru9683 Christianity is ultimately about the Gospel, which teaches to be good out of love and not obligation. In fact, many passages say that doing good deeds either out of peer pressure or to appear holy is wrong.
Think of it like a relationship. If you love somebody and they ask you to do something, you're probably going to try and do it, assuming it doesn't harm you. God, who I believe made us and knows what is best for us, has asked us to live in a way that is best for us. If I were to sum up the entire bible in a few verses, it wouldn't be the scattered "Roman Road" or anything else that picks random verses, it would be 1 Corinthians 13, which is focused on love and right intentions
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As an atheist, I just have to say this comment is based XD. But on a more serious note, I think you hit the nail on the head with this, the problem with religion is that it is too mainstream. It is inevitable that bad people exist, but when bad people are part of a mainstream religion, an believe that they can manipulate that religion to defend their actions (Spanish inquisition or the Holocaust), religion goes from being about a way to improve yourselves to a method of justifying evil and cruelty towards others as they don’t meet what you interpret your religion specifies as “good people.”
Interesting discussion. But I disagree with the part about Buddhism implying there's a presence of a God. True buddhists certainly don't believe this. Though they do believe there's a cosmic universe of which everything we know of and experience runs on and obeys, but that it's certainly not created by a supreme being like God or is even self-aware. It's just there. Pure buddhists are also realists. They accept that life, sickness, old age and death are constants. Nobody escapes these. Life and death are the opposite sides of the same coin, or are pairs of opposite joint together and inseparable. Strict buddhists also don't believe in heaven, hell, or god or anything that hinges on the idea of an afterlife. However, diluted forms of buddhism still teach this to appeal to those humans who cannot accept the true teachings of the buddha. It is like sugarcoating it to make it more palatable. Stuff like paradise, hell, reincarnation etc. None of this is real. And Buddha is not God. He is just an enlightened person who has understood these ultimate truths. It is futile to hang onto any idea, person, object or anything worldly when your very physical existence will end one day. Therefore, learn to live a humble and simple life. Manage your expectations. That way, you can truly achieve the ultimate happiness in life. At the end, what matters is how have you lived? Are you constantly striving for something? Wealth, fame, reputation or whatever. Were you happy?
I struggle with this a lot. It's difficult been difficult in my deconstruction because as a Christian, I was very much a Bible nerd and still am as an atheist (one may have led to another). I'm often asked "Why are you so interested in Christianity and the Bible if I don't believe it's true, aren't you just wasting your time?" I don't see it as a waste of time. I love my Christian friends and family and even if I don't believe like I used to, I still believe conversations about it are productive, especially if coming from a perspective of someone who isn't committed to a statement of faith or the walls of doctrine. I can ask, "What does it actually say? What does it actually mean?" instead of "What does it say in light of my prior beliefs? What does this have to mean given the doctrines I know are true?" I don't call myself a Christian or follower of Jesus, the terms have too much baggage in my opinion to be useful to me. I do think that engaging with the books, talks, experiences, and arguments that led to my belief in Christianity have been enormously helpful in dealing with life after leaving the faith. I am, however, a Bible and theology nerd.
This is my position as a believing Christian and wish more would adopt that type of hermeneutic: what does it actually say.
I think a lot of people misrepresent the Bible for their own purposes. It's easy to do. Many people are taught to read it in ways that make it difficult to understand.
@@Gl4uc0n Guess it remains to be seen if YHWH deems that fact 'detestable' then.
And with the same urgency and priority as He showed, in say, Joshua 7:24.
Gotta get on THAT fast, He had to?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Guess you could say I'm Achan for some evidence of YHWH. It's not in the Bible, that's for sure.
I'm sorry, I don't understand. How is atheism irrational? Please explain.
I'm going through deconversion for a second time (after trying Progressive Christianity). Your content is comforting during this stressful period.
Thanks Drew!
You are not alone.
man, leaving religion sounds like leaving cocaine
I suggest you check out Theramintrees, and specifically, his video on how Adults Get Converted. He beautifully illustrates how any human is susceptible to psychological tactics to get you to follow certain beliefs.
@@andrewrogers3067 it seemed the best of both worlds, but I realized that I was trying to force myself to believe something I no longer did.
Man look.. I love you dude. Honestly. You move my heart. I am also someone who deconverted. I relate so strongly to your story, your journey, and I appreciate so, so much not only what you say, but the attitude and reasons behind those wise words. You really are a bright, caring, intelligent, and unique soul. When I try to help my religious family members understand my stances and viewpoints many times I find I can refer them to one of your videos - AND THEY LISTEN! You've helped bridge a gap in understanding in a way I thought wouldn't be possible. And it's because you are sticking to your morals and values. So bro, rest assured, you have accomplished your goal and made a difference. Thank you
Reading about serial killers has convinced me that the "being super evil just because you enjoy others' suffering" thing definitely is real, not a myth, even if it's rare. Anyway, very good video. Love the shoutout to Epicurus, I wish people would talk about him more.
I think it's a problem when you can't say about a moral teacher "yeah, he was right about a lot of things, but he was wrong on this one thing." The inability to simply disagree with someone is such a burden intellectually. But that's how most Christians treat Jesus, because his words are supposedly God's words, infallible.
I completely agree. Also I believe he was too vague when mentioning how rehabilitation can help improve the problem. Rehabilitation might help specific people. But there are people too far gone.
Serial killers are generally people who have mental illnesses or severe trauma which leads to their morphed worldview. They are not inherently "Bad", they are just unfit to live in society because they are a threat to others.
Thank you, I don't see how some people can't see this to be true. There are definitely times where other people want to take things from others including their humility. Hell, sometimes I want to do intentional harm to others, but I refrain because I know it's not the right thing to do. Evolution cannot account for all of this malice in the human psyche there's something unnatural about it.
@Eccentriastes I agree with you that some people need to be functionally considered as pure evil and therefore need to be locked up at all costs. (Psychopaths and the like) However I don't think that they chose to be psychopaths and I don't think it necessarily feels good to be one. Therefore I also agree with Drew's statement about evil.
@@charlesporsbjer2416 Maybe not chose to be a psychopath per say, but they definitely do consciously choose actions that assist with their detachment from empathy and sympathy.
I held onto my "follower of Jesus" identity for many years after my disillusionment with church leaders. The day that I stopped caring about what Jesus said was when I was preparing for a Bible study I led at the time and I came to Luke 12:5. "But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." And I felt my heart sink as I realized this figure I had placed so much confidence in as a moral teacher was just a fearmonger of undemonstrated claims.
You can know and meet fear but not be forced to live in it like it’s still with you. God would want people to be happy and confident for their own sake
That’s not the actual quote tho
@@Billyjoe78517 I literally copy/pasted the NIV version
@@FreeSnoww well said, I had a hard time understanding meaning of being "God fearing" it isn't dictator like; its more so a respect of authority
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Proverbs
As someone who is in currently in seminary I want to let you know I follow your channel and have you on my notifications. Criticism of Christianity is an important thing and unfortunately it not done enough by people within churches themselves. Also I share most your opinions and also appreciate that as a skeptic you do not stereotype Christians. For now I just have this Soren Kierkegaard quote: "The fundamental error of modern times lies in the fact that the yawning abyss of quality in the difference between God and man has been removed. The result in dogmatic theology is a mockery of God ..."
Thank you for being awesome.
This quote is amazing.
I mean, in a sense, any devotion to imaginary beings is primitive and illogical.
Funnily enough an anime waifu is more real than any ghost or god.
Its so unfortunate to see people fall into heresy and ''as an ex catholic/ christian'' without knowing whats the theology, lack of religious education and stuff. Im glad there are still seminarians- that make people keep hope for future generations
I’m no longer asking myself:
*“Are God and Jesus Real?”*
I now ask myself:
*“Are God and Jesus benevolent beings worthy of worship?”*
The answer, even if not a direct *No* , is always less than a *Yes.*
Thats perfect. This truly encapsulates my feelings on this.
@@heyrobgray God has done nothing bad to you guys, yet you are so bitter and mad at him.
@@kemoywilliams380 That depends on which God people are referring to because it varies based on the religion, and God is not a "him" God has no gender.
@@reyr.7439 But isn't God called the father?
I'll pray for you. All suffering is from human flaw, and not God.
I do call myself a Christian and I want to say I really enjoy your videos. I think about what I believe and why a lot, especially the last couple of years, and find myself asking major questions. I really appreciate the empathy and calmness you use to present your ideas, and, as others have said, thank you for not just slam dunking on people or ideas just to look smart and get clicks. Good stuff.
I hope you realize how damaging and false the cult is, and eventually leave lol
*Let's be real here:* The all words _purported_ to have been spoken by Jesus have no reasonable basis as actually coming from the man himself.
For instance, if you read the Nag Hammadi Gnostic texts, you will get a bunch of very different sayings, also _purportedly_ spoken by Jesus, but with no better claim to be his _actual_ words than the four canonical gospels.
People 2,000 years ago, plus in all the time since then, have been putting words in Jesus' mouth. But we really have no idea what the man himself actually said and actually thought. He was probably just some normal, regular Jewish dude that Pilate decided to kill as a warning to other Jews.
A fair point, but whether there was a real person who said specific things or whether the same words are put in the mouth of a fictional character doesn't matter for the kind of consideration this video expresses. I assumed Drew was referring to the teachings traditionally attributed to the character Jesus (and simply not going into a lengthy tangent to explain so), rather than that he assumed it's necessarily accurate to what a hypothetical historical Yeshua may have said. Even if it were somehow proven that Jesus never existed as anything but a literary character it wouldn't affect the morals depicted, which by my understanding is Drew's topic in this video.
Most people quote Paul when citing Jesus. 🤦♂️
One argument for tracing the Greek Gospels back to Jesus at least partially is that some of the Greek phrases don’t make a ton of sense until they’re translated back to Aramaic, which at least indicates those phrases originated in Palestine. Just furthering knowledgeable discourse.
Do you wanna keep it real? 17 of Jesus is 350 1st coming prophecies is 10 to the 40,000th power because it’s taking the population from 2000 years I go and narrowing it down to one man!
Any category you can think of God of the Bible has left evidence that he is the true living god so you’re young and you need to start looking!
Nobody would’ve been hit in the face or thrown in jail, if they never have seen him risen from the dead, not one person! Yet they all died horrifying deaths into the third and fourth century because the first 300 years of Christianity with severe persecution yet it exploded in population!
Every category God has left evidence
The Nagamani gospels were left out of the cannon so they’re not divine scripture!
Well! For starters, the Gnostics were more than likely doing shrooms and seeing what they thought were saints, and receiving stories from them. This is why the Gnostic texts are so f*cking weird and don't make a whole lot of sense and are considered whacky by anyone whose read them... unless you've done shrooms, and then you understand them, but they're still absurd.
After this, you've got the Talmud, which is the best source to complement the Bible, and very serious proof for the existence of Jesus. The jews at that time wrote down the existence of Jesus as pure fact, and the Talmud was oral tradition and pretty current during that time, so it wasn't some distant, tertiary text, and arguably not even a secondary source.
The Talmud says that Jesus did all the things purported in the Bible, but the jews explain it away as being "magic", and no, not the magic you and I think of, but heretical dark arts of a very specific kind for that day and age. So even the jews that existed at the time of Jesus believe he was real, despite not following him, but for whatever reason, this is always glossed over in spite of what an important source it is.
One thing I think about when considering the idea of liberal, non-fundamentalist religion (or non-religion) is the balancing of the pull of tribalism and universalism. Universalism has all the advantages you mentioned, but there is the risk of losing unique cultures in the process. Actually, Christianity could be used as an example of how various unique cultures throughout history vanished when people were "universalized" to become Christian in the first place. The danger with universalism is that everyone becomes homogenized to be the same, and the danger of tribalism is that it can lead to a demonization of anybody different. So maybe a goal could be finding a healthy balance between respecting unique traditions (at least the aspects of traditions worthy of preservation) while being open and accepting of traditions outside of one's own. It seems like Drew is investigating that balance with compassion and charity.
I was an atheist for the longest time of my life as well, but a few years ago something changed and I can't even say what it was, since it came so silently. I had the urge to read the gospels and slowly I changed and I am a devout Christian now. So maybe you will reconsider your take on Jesus one day as well, who can tell.
I can easily name a few possibilities for this urge, you were dissatisfied with your life, feeling lonely or outcasted. You longed for a sense of belonging or an “eternal” companion (read, God) and of course a few certainties. We are all living in this random arena of beings trying to survive, clearly some of us need this kind of support to keep going. But tell me, do you really believed in all this? Or just are trying to make yourself feel better? And if you do believe, how can you turn a blind eye for all the things that state otherwise?
@@luamartinsmagalhaeswhat things state otherwise? Genuinely interested. From my personal experience, the existence of the God of the Bible is the only thing that makes reasonable sense.
@@bobjr.8033 How so? Think about the concept of a personal good that favors humans and then compare it to the infinity of the universe. Think about how random things are, and how evil would be an all knowing, all powerful God who condemns his children, who he already knew all they would do and be eons before their mere conception. Think about how the stories of the “Bible God” look exactly like all other myths historically speaking (search for historical origin of the Abraamic God). And then, simply think about the possibility of this specific belief being the right one when all others have the exact same amount of evidence (which is none btw). Those are just the more simple examples, not including any philosophical debate such as “does free will exist, or not?” Or things like that. I could keep going on and on forever. But, really, I am curious, what makes you think the Bible is the only thing that makes sense?
I myself identify myself as a Christian for three reasons:
1) it’s how I structure my thinking and it just makes sense to think of myself that way.
2) it gives me more of a connection to self-identified Christians in terms of discourse and gives my persuasion/voice extra weight with them.
3) it reassures many of my non-Christian friends who have often been hurt, marginalized, bullied, or attacked by Christians in the past-not that they shouldn’t be wary of loudly Christian people (they should, as am I, and I tell them so) but because it gives them some hope they Christianity isn’t necessarily a monolith as an obstacle. All social progressive movements are incumbent upon members of the privileged class allying themselves with the cause of the marginalized.
“I’m perfectly content to love Jesus because I appreciate his morals, rather than following his morals because I first loved Jesus.”
I love this quote. Personally I wouldn’t call myself a Christian in the terms I’m sure the world would know it as. I’m more of a spiritual Christian than I am religious, and I do not subscribe to any denomination. As I grew up in the church, I also noticed the almost tribal-like tendencies of my church, and churches around. Often times even church against church was common, and so I stepped back from it. So while I wouldn’t call myself a non-believing Christian, I would more so call myself non-conforming to the usual Christian ideals.
I say this mainly due to my two major beliefs. 1: The Bible was, in the end, written by man and due to man’s free will there is nothing stopping him from putting in what he wanted (evidenced by some of the apocryphal texts) and 2: You cannot simply read the book and follow the church to call yourself a Christian. Many Christians, from my personal experience, often say they are Christian because they read the Bible and attend church daily, and then go and judge and be evil towards others.
Thank you for the video, it was interesting and I enjoyed it. It’s given me some things to reflect on, and I look forward to more videos! God bless and have a great day.
Jesus never asked anyone to follow his morals.
@@SamSung-xz7jt "Sell all that you have, and give to the poor, and come, follow Me." "Go, and sin no more."
@@maxalberts2003 No. Can't talk now - later.
@@maxalberts2003 well I agree with what the guy above said and see his point of view in this guys defense what I believe here is Jesus was just showing the cost of what it would take to follow him on your own effort and without his help because that’s the attitude the man had toward him he was asking Jesus how to follow him that’s why that was his response because God already wants to supply for you everything and doesn’t want your own efforts Atleast that’s what I got from it. I don’t even be leaving comments idk if that answered the question😭
@@andrepotts5337 With all due respect, I think you may be reading something into the text that isn't there. Just take his words at face value.
You’re a good one Drew.
@James Henry Smith guess so
@James Henry Smith betcha
see ya in 2 days then
Unhealthy Religion int just covered by GMS. All Atheist-RUclipsrs do that, but even so, i feel like many dont realize how deeply Religion-bound Politics right-now is. Holy Koolaid but also Some More News covered this amazingly, both being so entertaining while covering Election-Madness and the GOP and Trumpism that they got multiple 10k+ Likes.
mr grinch reference?
@@nwut james was being sarcastic, no?
not believing in evil is one of the most dangerous ideas i have heard.
I understand your consern over this idea. But the conception of evil it self is an over simplification of which causes arm to use and there for by beliving in evil we limit and biased owr point of you towards which hurts us and that can blind us from taking a better more rational cours of action.
What @@laurentarrelle-rivest8565
Of all the teachings that are attributed to Jesus, many of which are admirable, the ones I find most troubling are the ones where he demonizes mere thoughts, even if those thoughts never lead to transgressions against others. He categorizes the mere human tendencies to hate or lust - emotions that we all have and have very little control over, but which most of us seldom act on - as equivalent to murder and adultery, respectively. Examples: "Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him." (1 John 3:15) " But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28). Can anyone honestly say they have never had these thoughts? Just the mere act of lusting after a woman is something that any healthy man will do, and he has very little control over it. It happens in our dreams, when we are asleep. As the late Christopher Hitchens argued so eloquently, the very notion of a thought crime is the essence of a totalitarian mindset. Any just formulation of morality should not be one that is designed to GUARANTEE failure of those who try to adhere to it. It would be tantamount to the US judicial system criminalizing the mere sensation of hunger.
That's the whole point. Christ wasn't a moralist. He showed that truly EVERYONE is depraved and worthy of God's wrath. Those are the very people He died for; the only kinds of people.
@@calebgeary3890 If "EVERYONE is depraved", whose fault is that? The fact that we even need saving, because of a design flaw fashioned by our creator, means the whole Christian scheme of salvation is one big charade. Its a cosmic game of entrapment. Its like drug addled mother causing a birth defect in a child as a result of her addiction, and then expecting the child to be grateful because she is paying for the treatments that help the child cope with the very defects she caused.
@@alphacause Adam sinned, giving us a sin nature. We now have redemption through Jesus Christ.
Just because someone has a negative perception of something doesn't make it false. I've noticed every atheist say something to the like of "This rubs me the wrong way, therefore it can't possibly be true. My internal ethical/emotional compass is the final arbiter of what's true and what's not."
@@alphacause You're like a stranded person on an island rejecting rescue because you're still mad for how you got there in the first place.
@@alphacause or here's another one. You sound like a man resisting cancer treatment because you're angry that you even got a tumor to begin with.
Just as Jesus told Lazarus to come out of the grave, I encourage you to come out of your nihilism, and embrace the tender love and mercy of Christ.
Seriously man, its so rare to meet such real person as u r. You really pointing everything out as it is and thats it. Hope u reach a lot of people out there! I am 200% with u and am glad someone has the ability to speak it out in a understandable and authentic way. Keep it up Brochacho 💪🏼
I seriously hope you're even younger than this guy.
@Matt Carelli Why would spending time in college instead of keeping places clean be more wise?
@Matt Carelli If colleges had no janitors, then no one would go to those colleges. Without cleanliness, we wouldn't even have educational systems. Every scholar rests on the back of an army of dedicated janitors. That is wisdom.
@Matt Carelli How did I insult him? You're the one insulting janitors. Maybe you're projecting onto me.
@Matt Carelli No worries at all Matt. Its just the www. No place to take such comments too serious :) In real life people wouldn’t even bother commenting on someone sitting besides them in a cafe. But def thanks for your support and please don’t waste your time talking too these people. Thats what they actually long for because they are lonely.
I find this video interesting in light of my own experience; I grew up in a semi-Roman Catholic household (I say semi because my mother was Roman Catholic and my dad was an atheist - although he had the smaller part in the upbringing of the children in our family), but renounced the faith in my teenage years. After many years of being atheist and anti-religious, I joined a religion - but an atheist one; Buddhism. After being hostile to Jesus for many years, when I converted to Buddhism I felt I had an insight into Jesus - that his central message was one of love, and I was happy to include him into my pantheon of spiritual heroes as preaching such a message. So for me he became a Boddhisattva - a being who sacrifices themselves for the good of the rest of the world. The only way I can view the 'end is coming' message, was an a 'skilful teaching' ; a way to guide those who were ready to become enlightened, and shed their former life. But this message has been very unfortunately misunderstood and misused.
How did Jesus "sacrifice" himself?
@@txfreethinker By voluntarily dying on the cross - he evidently knew what was coming, but choose not to do anything to avoid it. But of course 'sacrifice' could also be used to express the idea of someone 'giving up their life' in the sense of refusing to follow selfish goals and instead dedicating one's life to the benefit of others.
@@xenspace5764 Well, I was under the impression that you were no longer a Christian, but had converted to Buddhism, which in turn, would mean you no longer hold to Christian theology like "substitutionary atonement." Anyway, from a non-Christian perspective, Jesus didn't die for anyone's sins on the cross, so he sacrificed nothing and accomplished nothing. Also, a non-Christian perspective, he had no choice in being executed by the Roman government. He had no say in the matter.
@@txfreethinker Of course I don't believe in 'substitutionary atonement' or any Christian theology - I am just talking about the mythological side of the Jesus narrative, so seeing him in an archetypical context as an inspirational figure. So far as the historical context goes, the evidence for him actually existing is somewhat slim - but that's beside the point, as is whether or not he could have avoided his execution. Either way, as you say, his death on the cross wouldn't have achieved anything at all, it's only meaningful within the symbolic narrative. I hope that explains, and thank you for your question and comments..
@@xenspace5764 Thank you for the clarification. 👍
Never bought into loving something I've never met/seen. My mom had a moment of introspection once, telling me that she could not conceive of Mary flying/ascending into heaven in front of people. For a very religious person, she was saying a lot.
Excellent video. btw as an ex-Muslim I can totally relate this to my own Islamic background. I and other ex-Muslims have rightly highlighted the unacceptable aspects of Islam and completely reject Islam's claim to divine origin, but of course there are many aspects within the 1400 years of Islamic traditions & culture that can be appreciated without having to believe in the religion. (For those interested I did make a video about things I like in Islam.)
I am an atheist who was raised catholic. This video made me realize that I still think of Jesus through a Christian lens. It just cicked in my mind. Thanks, Drew! 😀
@James Henry Smith are you a Christian or a Muslim
Both are contradictory, in their claims oftentimes.
I love the fact that you share your thoughts and knowledge without falling into mockery. When I was a theist, I would hate that kind of things; now, as an atheist, I truly appreciate when somebody spreads understandable and respectful ideas for theist to sort of grasp the reasons why we stopped believing, thus allowing them to really analyze such ideas and think outside their framework of prejudices. Thank you, Drew.
I've been an agnostic, tending more towards atheism, most of my life. I've watched your videos in the past and I enjoy them a lot.
About 3 weeks ago, I came across an article in Missouri Medicine, a peer-reviewed medical journal, titled, "Near-Death Experiences Evidence for Their Reality". The findings were, I thought, quite compelling. I have since gone on to read a number of near death experience stories, watched videos of people who have had them. The things that make it all so compelling for me are: 1> The experiences appear to be pretty consistent across cultures(*) 2> The fact that 95% of the people who had them are convinced that they were real experiences and not dreams. 3> The fact that 20% felt that they experienced a normal level of alertness during the experience, but that 75% of them were more conscious and alert than normal during the experience. Some describing it as like waking from a dream, with this reality being the dream.
I started reading some of the stories and in the second story I read, the person was describing the afterlife and for the briefest of instances and image and a feeling popped into my head. It lasted for less than a second. It didn't feel like a vision, but like a memory. A memory from before I was born. It was overwhelming. I've been unable to shake it. And over the past few weeks, I've become a believer. I'm developing a personal theology out of it that makes sense to me, based on these stories I've read and seen. (* this is the part that explains #1 above, the consistency across culture) It's a theology that agrees with a lot of aspects of Christianity. For example, I see Christ as like a personification of God. A face of it/him. I think Christians see Christ when they die, whereas a Muslim will see God (Allah). I think it's the same being and that's not incompatible with Christianity's holy trinity. They're just different perceptions or interpretations of the same God.
I deviate a lot from Christianity. I don't believe in hell, other than one we might make for ourselves. I believe we're all saved. And I think reincarnation is part of it. So it's a mishmash of stuff. And I don't know that ANY of it is right. But it feels right to me and it's helping me make sense of the world and why we suffer and what the purpose is (to grow our soul and to love). I think we come here to face our fears and grow our soul and to spread love and that we come back and try to do better.
I'm not trying to convert anyone (doesn't matter. We're all saved.) But I'd certainly curious about your take on the article. I'm a science guy and so a peer-reviewed article carries more weight for me than a book written 2000 years ago. I believe the bible is "divinely inspired", but it was written by men who, if and however divinely inspired, were also flawed. It was assembled by men who, if and however divinely inspired were also flawed and thus the bible MUST be flawed. (On top of which, you simply cannot literally interpret something that's been translated from another language, especially when people can't agree on what some of the key words mean. It's nonsensical.) I think different cultures have pieced this together, maybe from people having near death experiences, and then created religions, interpreting things as best they could. Different religions got different aspects right and they all got a lot wrong. And that's kind of what I'm doing for myself here, so I probably have a lot wrong. But like I said, it works for me. It's making sense out of life for me and it's helping me work on a lot of my own failings and become a better person.
If you're a science guy you should beware of confirmation bias. See, I've had two NDE's due to high fever. Nothing, nada, zilch. Just fading away.
For some reason such testimonies are never mentioned.
How did that article justify conclusion 1 ? Did the researchers interview people from all over the world?
Beautiful, I’m the exactly the same as you. I feel if there wasn’t anything it would be too much of a tragedy. The fact that us as humans got to a such advanced stage to even think like this helps me believe in it even more. Bless you my friend
Basically an DMT experience. So logical multiple people experienced it I assume.
My favorite thing about your channel, Drew, is that it’s one of the only atheist channels I can show to my Christian mother, because of how calm and respectful it is.
@Rawlings How do you figure?
@Rawlings I assume you lack belief in the gods of other religions you don't believe in, right? You don't find compelling reasons to believe. Well some people don't find compelling reasons to believe in the particular god from the particular religion you believe in. Nothing irrational about this natural process.
@Rawlings How foolish of me. I'm convinced.
*applies bindi & worships Brahmā*
@RawlingsI don't see your reply to me saying that Drew is a reprobate, but I was just wondering what exactly you might find illogical about not being a theist.
@Rawlings It's okay. I'm on it. Had the Upanishads expressed shipped from Amazon.
I am an athiest. I've sung for many years in a church choir and enjoyed the liturgical music because singing makes my whole being sing. I think of that as a health practice. I have a code of values that I try to adhere to, much like you. There are many great teachers who have been in the world and are now in the world that talk about what it means to be an ethical human, including the Jesus writings... well, some of them. What you've said here has resonated with me in such a way that it makes me wonder. Professor Alice Roberts, the humanist paleo-anatomist, has done a number of videos with other humanists talking about the inherent ethical practices that humans carry. This view is one that I am currently wrestling with because on the one hand I believe it wholly. I've seen the evidence in tiny orphaned children, barely verbal who've not had time enough on this earth to even acknowledge the world of rules, take food and clearly distribute it together - fairly - amongst their fellows, making sure that each little one has what they need and even giving up their share so that one more needy can eat. If that isn't altruistic and kind, I don't know what is. You've hit the nail on the head for me, as you always do. Thank you.
Can I ask your opinion on the songs you sing in choir? My environment consists of 2 types of people: 1, people who dislike christian music because they think it sucks, whether they are christian or not, and 2, people who love the music but primarily speak of its spiritual impact instead of commenting on the actual quality or content. I'm interested in your thoughts :) /gen
Polyvagal theory explains that singing vibrates the VAGUS nerve( which is around the trachea and voice box and thereby switches on the Parasympathetic Nervice Systym or rest and relax mode of the A N S. Beutifull music also has effects on the limbic systym( moderates and stimulates emotions)
Answered some pressing ? FOR ME. Somatic experience recomend these practices for stress and PTSD
Wow, feat. Fela! This is my favorite one of all your videos so far! I don't like Jesus at all. He sounds like a cult leader but I am happy you pointed out the flaws of his logic and the problem with his views towards authority.
Ahem, this was a well thought out ,Great video
Cult leader ? hum ... the dude was mostly hanging out in the poor parts of town with his posse ... sounds more like a gang leader
Heart for fellow Fela fan ❤️
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Greetingz cuzinz 🍵🍾🧙♂️🏵
-Matter didn’t create anti matter
-Anti matter didn’t create matter
(Both of them were present at the time of big bang)
-Both of them didn’t create themselves.
-Both of them came from an unimaginable source, that unimaginable source created matter and antimatter (everything) thats why it is known as “the creator” of everything.
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- that unimaginable source/creator has created sin and virtue which are opposite to each other,
- “logic” confirmed that every action has its own reaction, the reaction of sin is different than the reaction of virtue,
- the creator has created prophets to let us know about each and every detail of sin and virtue, also about their reactions,
Thank u🌸
I am from a christian background and still believe pretty much of its teachings. Although I believe in Christ, I want to get away from religion and explore different perspectives and learn why other ppl believe what they believe. I just want to say thank you for knowing how to truly argue from a point of respect, and not involve feelings, insults, and mockery as other channels do. This is how debate should be.
You should just get alone and seek Jesus for yourself. Jesus never said get a pastor or a bible he said receive the Holy Spirit.
@@oshanasarkes3885 totally agree brother. Religion ≠ following Christ
@@oshanasarkes3885 but do think that u have to still read the bible and congregate.
He's a mythical character in Christian mythology.
It's okay. I love RoboCop, but wont' follow him.
jesus christ is far from mythical actually, most historians agree he was a person who existed, was he a normal prophet or the son of god tho? we don't know, but as far as a person he 100% existed
@@teiull9388 Well, %95 definitely existed. Actually I have no idea of the number, but there certainly are people who research the topic and conclude there wasn't a historical person the stories sprung from. The term is "mythicist" and while not popular, it does exist.
@@teiull9388
A proof of existance isn't a proof of divinity.
Nice video, but...not that I believed the dude existed, but Jesus said alot of crazy cultish shit as well, particularly in Mark and Luke. About how Samaritans were dogs, that he didn't come to bring peace but a sword, that he came to divide families, that if you don't hate your parents, siblings, spouse, children, and even yourself, you're not worthy of him, etc. Why do you ignore these parts or is there a reason to believe they're less legitimate than the good stuff he said?
So... Jesus isn't perfect?... Just a man with his own biases like everyone else? 🤔 might well be we've all been 'had' for the last 2000 odd years... I want a refund for all my offerings!! I paid to "experience GOD"... not some narcissistic 2000 year old guy with a serious 'God complex!!'
Just kidding about the offerings bit... I haven't been to church in almost 30 years.
Drew wilful evil is not a myth. It's true that most deeds traditionally considered to be evil, Are in fact caused by other social economic and biological factors, I.e. Desperation, Ignorance of the consequences, Fear and defensiveness, neurochemical imbalance. these factors can only sometimes explain the most hanous crimes people commit. Rape, pedophilia, infanticide, genocide. Sometimes people are just malicious.
But pdfilia can very well have a neurological, biological and social factor. It's correlated with an underdeveloped stria terminalia. Abnormal childhood experiences and such. People who have paraphilias aren't necessarily malicious. But can just as well be people who feel bad when they see people getting hurt and have a sense of empathy. It's just that their sexuality is inherently messed up.
Drew clearly has not dealt with a narcissistic abuser. I normally find Drew has a lot of great takes but PHEW that statement was a total L on his part. For the record, Jeffery Dhamer had a normal upbringing and steady early adulthood, look where he still turned up.
@@adrianaslund8605 Bro, this line of reasoning has been debunked time and time again. There is no justifying PDF files. Don't even try. Don't even go there.
6:10 I don't believe Jesus' teachings do support retributive justice. Forgiveness is one of the key themes of the New Testament, and Jesus teaches that we should forgive 'not seven times, but seventy seven times'. The parable of the unforgiving servant suggests that, if we want to be forgiven by God, we should forgive other people. The parable of the prodigal son suggests that we should rejoice if someone is repentant after sinning. According to the Gospel of John, Jesus famously says 'he who is without sin cast the first stone' which seems to directly condemn capital punishment to some extent. Even if you believe this is a later addition to the Bible, lines like 'Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy' heavily imply that we should aim for rehabilitation over retributive justice.
Thats why we must be knowledgeable to not be mislead.
also raised a christian. love the idea of jesus. live my life attempting each day to be good/generous/unselfish. don't love/worship/follow jesus because he was nuts. am very critical of jesus because of the horrors perpetrated in his and every prophet's name. don't think he or other prophets were evil, but the many who profit from their words are monsters.
Thank you so much for this video, Drew. I recently read "Do I Stay Christian?" by Brian McLaren. I have spent the last few years I tried really hard to be Christian. But the Bible was my first problem for many of the reasons you have addressed in your videos. Furthermore, the increasing embrace of radical right-wing politics is deeply troubling. And each time I tried to square Jesus, the Bible, and Christianity with...reality, with honesty and goodness (see also sex abuse scandals in every denomination) I couldn't do it. I couldn't, even when I was massively generous, make it work for me. I want nothing to do with this religion. And I am bummed about that. I wanted to believe. I wanted a religious home. But there is nowhere for me in this house and I see harm being done in its name constantly.
You can't follow Christians, go to the source.
Hi Carrie. I do not have a faith but I have come to appreciate the very deep emotional need that religious belief can meet. In a nutshell religion provides a defence against the terrible fact of our mortality . So I have enormous respect for anyone like you who has the courage to stay true to their humanity and conscience.
FWIW I sometimes think that much of theology and apologetics are word games with us all attempting to talk about things we simply cannot (and may not ever) be able to fathom due to the limits of our intellect. What is more obviously true is that the idea of a God is often used "as an excuse for all kinds of goofs and for crimes of all kinds" as Robin Williamson once wrote. It can seem a scary and lonely place outside of conventional religions but I think we can find our way as Drew and his wife are demonstrating. I hope you do just that. To possibly help you on the way, if you don't already know it check out the song "Let the Mystery Be" by the wonderful Iris deMent... I think you might find it encouraging!
Please don't blame Jesus for what Christians have done. See everything Jesus says to the Pharisees and Sadducees and realize he could be saying exactly the same things to extremist Christians, not only today, but over the last 2000 years. This goes not only when they do wicked things, but when they say ridiculous things.
Your home can be with Jesus. A church is great... but all you really need is a Bible. That's what I have.
@@fluffysheap How about if you blame me for not helping a dying man on the street, or a tortured man in a dungeon, if I could have done so?
And now how about if Jesus could have done the same thing - post ascension to his fluffy cloud throne - but chose not to? Are those things less 'detestable' then than that business in Numbers 15:32? Or Joshua 7:24? Are they less urgent to deal with?
Are we held to a higher standard than God holds himself to?
And the day I need Deuteronomy 21:13, is the day I need wet wipes for removing muck from walls.
Also, I actually kind of like pigs, and driving a whole herd of them off of a cliff to die, was not necessarily Jesus' most... charismatic move.
Lastly, post Matthew 5:18, what, by default, happened to many gay people in Christendom? And is it what should have happened?
Here a ex Muslim 🙋♀️ Morality has nothing to do with Religions
I don't need a book from 1400 years ago to tell me that I shouldn't kill or harm somebody or that I shouldn't marry my brother or father and not to steal from anyone and disrespect any human being 😅😑 even a 5 years old child knows that they shouldn't do those things 🤦♀️ dear Believers ..iam so sorry for ya'll
When you think you don't kill someone or don't marry you sister or brother because a 1400 years old book told you so 🤷then it's time to visit a Doktor
I was a lifelong Athiest til 29 I went to Christian rehab for drug alcohol addiction I flipped through bible with my eyes closed and put my finger scripture asking God to show himself after I read it I didn’t think much of it until the next day I went to chapel and that scripture I blindly picked was on the screen, how can I explain this ?
What was the verse that was shown?
@@bradpitt839 psalm 2 verse 11 it’s kind of an obscure verse so that made it even weirder I’m not a Bible thumper by any means but my time getting sober I’ve experienced many strange things that led me to believe that God does exist or something is out there
@@bradpitt839 I also experienced a spiritual awakening a couple of times it basically felt like doing a line of Coke I had no fear and I loved everything and everyone but I was sober I believe God exists but I think we experience in different ways and religion is by the Governments to divide us
My favorite question is "If God is a god of love then why should we fear him?" People either walk away or they start name-calling. When you can honestly say that you don't fear "God", is when you truly accept responsibility for your actions and don't "need" to believe in some supernatural being.
@Andrew 92HT Pure love doesn't destroy children that didn't have the ability to change their teaching or where they were born, otherwise it isn't pure, it's selfish. If all the schools and all the children in them or too young to have went yet have went unspoken of, then his love will do the same. I've not seen it and can't judge it as pure, he's selfish and continues to be, he's the only creator and created sin. God is not love and I don't fear it because I'm without love, I have plenty and the bastard invents disease and decay to make sure even that love fades with death.
@Andrew 92HT I was raised by my aunt, a Cherokee native, and was then brought back to my family and taught within a Baptist church. There is no other creator, god made sin, so regardless of whatever you want to say we deserve because of it and his ability to do so for having been the maker, he's not love itself. You may love him, you may think he loves you, but nothing means a thing to that beast but glory and it going to him alone, you're nothing but a bauble for that disgusting creature and I don't need the lies of a Baptist, a Catholic, or any other group flying his flag when I know that per your own story, nothing else has made what we're doing or dealing with, he's made the evil that keeps you awake at night. Never forget it and never forgive the spineless fuck for never coming back to fix it and then lying like his son did a thing to keep them from preying on our youngest. He's disgusting, you're just as much so for even bringing this to me. It isn't my foundation, it's the awful sky he's painted above us while our homes and families are stripped away from us for his glory. I am going to point my finger out of hate every single day to remind him of every day those children were removed from this world for him in Sodom and Gomorrah, and the ones who continue to be in this post-Jesus hell he's made. There is no love in what he's done, it was all a glory parade for the only creator who'd kill kids and pretend that was the plan all along and he's loving for having done so.
Who wouldnt someone fear a god that kills new borns? I dont think thoes kids see him as a "god of love"
Here's the best answer I can give: As a God of love, is it loving to let a rapist, murderer, or pedophile go unpunished? Would that be loving to the victim? Additionally, if you had a loved one who was doing something against the law, wouldn't the most loving thing be to turn them in and prevent them from doing more wrong? I don't believe Fear of the Lord means being afraid of punishment when you make a mistake. God has mercy and grace for that. But God is also the God of justice. So to me, we should fear Him/respect His law because He doesn't just love us, He loves the people we hurt as well. So if we come to Him and repent and work to make amends as best we can, He has mercy. But we have to choose it.
@@gracel8790 He isn't loving. He's not "just" either, he killed kids for glory. They didn't have a choice, he made the sin that plagued their towns as the one and only creator. A selfish being like that doesn't know love, and its' actions have said as much to every sister and brother your ancestors had in Sodom and Gomorrah. Never forgive it if he ever did it, that god destroys your kin to spread a lie, none of this is love or justice. The pain he's made by allowing sin to be a factor in this world is unforgivable, he's not intelligent enough to not create creatures that don't rape their own young so I doubt in any form of authority from such a figure. You've been duped, his love is a lie, get over it. Excusing it when there lay so many, young and old alike, dead in his name... It's disgusting.
Drew, I've been a Unitarian Universalist for over 40 years and an atheist for much longer. Delving into many of the world's major religions, I've realized that while almost every one of them has a version of the golden rule as a basis, none have cornered the morality market. Being a member of any group, including atheists, can leave us open to us vs. them attitudes, and it's important to monitor ourselves for that. It's up to the individual to examine their own sense of morality, just as you have done. You're doing a superlative job. I anticipate enjoying your channel for a long time to come.
You’ve been a Unitarian for 40 years and an atheist for ‘much longer’??? I don’t understand?? Are you like 120 years old or something??? Forgive my confusion here lol
@@itsmyytaccount8498 Yes, and I'm still mourning my pet dinosaur.
@@celesteerendrea4762 How long were you an atheist for?
@@itsmyytaccount8498 About 57 years now. And yes, lots of UUs are atheist.
@@celesteerendrea4762 So you were a unitarian for 40 years and you've been an atheist for 57 years. So you're 97 years old?
As someone who still wrestles with aot of the problems that come with deconstruction finding your channel has been truly amazing. It seems a lot of the journey you describe mirrors a lot of the conflicts and thoughs I have had and currently had. You are always so respectful and open minded and your matter of fact honesty on these things are truly refreshing.
Totally got my sub.
In light of recent events. Its a good time to start believing in Jesus. There will one day be a time where you can't.
As an atheist who participates in a 12 step program there are a lot of references to God or a higher power. One thing that's really helped me reconcile that is a trick where every time God is mentioned, to replace it in your head with the acronym "Good Orderly Direction". It works surprisingly well in the vast majority of cases. "You cannot serve both good orderly direction and money" makes sense to me. Getting rich while stoking outrage certainly is a direction you could choose, but it's not good or orderly.
How does one determine what is good, is it just how they subjectively feel about something?
@@fynix. that's part of how the trick works, at least for me. Because you have to stop and ask yourself "is this a good decision? Is it only good for me? Will it cause harm to others?" I would much rather take the time to use reason and rationality than pretend a space wizard is whispering to me and use that as justification to do whatever I feel like doing.
@@Brinelious Space wizard? Have you ever stopped to read about christian or classical theist philosophy?
@@dantz_ uh oh, here we go... If you honestly believe that a diety is speaking to you, or sending you signs and you think it's real, that you're not just pretending to hear what you want to hear or see what you want to see, then I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're completely delusional.
Good day fellow 12-stepper 👋
First of all, love your stuff. Your videos have been instrumental in opening my eyes. But I firmly disagree with the idea that "willful evil" is a myth. What about Hitler's genocide? Some people might say, "well, he was hero in his own mind"; and that's probably true. But it doesn't change the fact that Hitler meant to do + probably enjoyed the horrific atrocities that he was in charge of.
I agree that mass-incarceration is a problem in the US. But I don't think people are incapable of intentional evil and/or enjoying it. That's the difference between Tragedy and Malevolence. Great work though! ; )
I also agree. Dig thru the history books and there is plenty of evil to be found. Some of it brought on by the Church itself. Crusades, inquisition, native american genocide, etc, etc. Then there is the problem of really twisted minds. Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, Caligula.
The brutality the Romans enjoyed is beyond belief. The bloodshed of the Reformation was enough for me to see the fallacy of Christian ideas.
Yah I disagree heavily with that too. People can know the consequences but still believe their selfish endeavors are more important than the consequences they think they can avoid. This exists everywhere in the spectrum from the "best" to the "worst" of people. Which is why Jesus focuses on the heart.
Your stance on moral accountability is admirable. Keep up the good work.
How many times ive seen people mischaracterise the "slavery argument"
Its a sin to own a kidnapped person END OF STORY. slavery of indebtedness is VOLUNTARY.
Theres no ifs or buts. you pick a part out that looks bad, ignore the rest of the book and don't give context.
Murder is a sin. Jesus did NOT advocate for eye for an eye.
Killing in self defence is only allowed.
there is no argument, accept that you are wrong and give up trying to nitpick 2 thousand year old literature to see if its offensive. The only parts that can be considered offensive are the old tribal days when the tribe of israel was quite ruthless. Thats it.
None of you understand even the basic points and reasons you just try and wedge it into your own personal context. Nothing can help you understand but yourself being fair and thats unlikely.
Its a sin to own a kidnapped person END OF STORY. Can you share a reference.
Also yeah I agree, cause he exaggerated on Jesus' behalf when he called his system of justice as revenge seeking, he couldn't quote anything from Jesus to support his claim, he was talking about the previous teachings that Jesus fought against in several occasions, it's not Jesus' fault if people take him wrong whether believers or non.
I really appreciate your videos as I am on a deconversion journey. Everything is still fresh and I'm dealing with fears of hell, fears of demons and possession, fears of a new found uncertainty in the after life, all the usual stuff. I'm clinging hard to the rational logic in your videos.
Hanginthere. These to WILL Pass♡♡♡
How are you doing now
people don't harm other people willfully? What about all the pedophiles or serial killers? Were they forced to do those things because they were in need?
Doesn't really make sense to me. If you think that murderers should not be punished severely ask the families of those whom that person has murdered and see how they will react.
A Christian foundation was beneficial when I was a child. I've grown up since then and have put childish beliefs behind me. Nowadays, I'm confident to stand on my own.
“For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness” 1 Corinthians 3:19
Your comment about narratives really resonated with me! Having a similar background to you (raised in Christian fundamentalism), I started hearing ideas that made me question Christianity, and eventually realize I didn't believe what I was raised with in a literal sense. But for years, I tried to make the new beliefs fit Christianity, exactly like you said, so that I wouldn't be rejected and so I wouldn't cause suffering (it's a big deal when people close to you think you've chosen to literally go to hell).
I actually do think there's a potential step beyond this: most religions have common elements, they're trying to do similar things. This was explained to me once as the 'spiritual path.' The idea that humans psychologically seem to have a human nature/sin nature/ego, and an aspirational nature (the atman, the 'new creature', the 'realized self'). Many of us innately want to change the former into the latter, to ascend to a higher plane of being, be better people. Religions are frameworks that allow us to do this. So as we learn how to progress along our own spiritual path, we can sometimes conflate that with fitting in to our religion, whether it seems an outlandish interpretation or not.
Growing up Christian made me see that I valued things like compassion and respect. But the ironic thing is when I realized that the church was becoming an impediment to the full potential of those values.
Honestly, I love the aesthetic, the sense of community. I'd like to interact with the church on my own terms, but the social forces and the lack of personal boundaries makes it incredibly difficult.
Question Jesus no longer very young one, because God has left evidence in every category so that he can prove that he is the true & living God;, the God of the Bible that is!
Manuscript archaeology prophecy psychology statistics probability science DNA and the list goes on….
@@jjphank god is in the plinko?
@@pahbody5336 stop smoking crack or whatever you’re doing with it!
Your comment is great, I enjoyed reading it!
I was a lifelong atheist until three years ago, when I had a bizarre religious experience I could not satisfactorily explain to myself. I'm not a Christian and never will be, but I can no longer deny God. Which is really unsettling!
I too have come to think that for many humans, a spiritual journey is necessary. But it should be a solitary one, otherwise it's just the journey of someone else, and so the meaning is lost. It's scary, confusing, and weird, but so rewarding. Read holy texts yourself. Examine the evidence, including your own life experiences. Seek many viewpoints, but sit quietly alone with them, and let your inner voice guide you as you navigate, dissect, and digest them. In fact, that inner voice is what you are supposed to develop. YOU, as in, every human. You are meant to listen to your Godhead, but you have to shut up to hear it! Silence is hard to come by, eh?
I've come to think that once we activate our Godhead and start on this path, which us what happened to me three years ago, we then get the proverbial devil and angel on our shoulders--and it's crucial to have two, not just one. Listen to each, then find your middle path. Listen to your friends AND foes, your fans AND haters, the in group AND the outgroup. You cannot get a complete view if you willfully cover one eye, now can you?
And isn't finding the middle the point? Earth is fixed between heavens and hells in many traditions and myths, it's literally the neutral third space. We aren't meant for extremes--for they do not exist. A little bad is always nestled in the good, and a little good in the bad.
It is really difficult to divorce ourselves from the narratives we are raised in. Once you see one narrative, though, you begin seeing others. Then, the cracks of reality grow as you realize it is all narrative, until finally it all shatters, leaving you to fall or soar. Once you wake and realize you choose the direction, you ascend to the God role. Mind carefully your conception of God!
Being cautious is something that we can do because we are attempting to remain balanced, or it can be something we are doing because we realize that we are in the context of other people who are not balanced. So I totally appreciate your sense of caution.
I was not raised as a Christian. Although my family attended church, the church we attended didn’t really talk about God. Church was more of a community of wealthy Episcopalians. Church was simply something that we did. But when I became a devout believer it was because of my encounter with fundamentalists. I was 18 at the time and I ended up going to a fundamentalist college. My upbringing however was emotionally abusive and in a manner that I later realized fit in well with the abuses and manipulations of a cultic religion.
One day I fell into a deep vision. It was so deep it was like a near death experience. In that vision I “met God“. I was in deep pain, radically dysfunctional, deeply troubled with what my sin was doing to myself and others, and I felt like someone God ought to hate and I hated myself. But in this vision I met a God who seem to be fully aware of my issues and problems but this had absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I was loved and accepted. These were simply circumstances in my personal history of my human development. Basically, God had no problem with and no issues with the person I was struggling to be. Sin was not an issue on God’s mind. Coming out of that vision, which lasted almost an hour, I no longer had the ability to loath myself. I felt everyone was who they are for reasons not easily understood, but could become more optimally healthy if they were no longer burdened with questioning their lovability.
Over time, this vision destroyed my religion. I have no idea what was real or what was self induced in that vision. I don’t really know and I don’t really care, but I am very happy with the impact it had on me. So it leaves me with a belief in God that has no theology. Is God the creator? How the hell would I know and why should I even care? Is God Omni anything? Those terms strike me as superlative nonsense. If there is a God I have no idea what that actually means nor do I feel any need to have it mean anything of any certainty. Maybe this thing that I think of as God is nothing other than some form of universal consciousness that can’t do a damn thing about anything.
So how do I explain where this leaves me? I can’t. I don’t feel any need to. Where I find myself and as I talk about it is nothing other than simply an admission that this is where I find myself, but it does not include any insistence that my understanding is by any means accurate.
Sorry for responding to an old comment, but I do believe visions like these are valid. My brother was an atheist (though our parents are loose christians) but he told me he had an experience and that made him believe in God. Not in any particular religion, but that God is real. He said it's something that just has to happen to you for you to get it. I don't know how these things happen but it's good that you had a vision and it helped you break away from the abusers
Dedicated lover of Jesus here just saying thankyou for Being 🧡
I’m not a Christian anymore(I was raised Catholic) but I recently found faith again. I’m not Christian but I still believe there’s a higher power and afterlife. I’ve had first hand experience and unexplainable proof that there’s a God and afterlife but I’m not going to get into that because most people won’t believe me anyway and I think people need to experience it themselves to believe. Anyway I started reading the Bible again and I think everyone should because it’s a good book and has lessons to be learned whether you’re Christian or not. Even with the lessons and wisdom aside, it’s a very interesting read and should not be brushed aside.
Was it psychedelics?
Kids dont do drugs
I was still “Christian” for a while because I wasn’t ready to let go of that label till I was sure. Now I still cherish some teachings and stories too. I also like some sci-fi and think some have great morals-but I don’t see any need to tie part of my identity to those.
Those stories are cherished-but still just stories to me now.
I think when you like somebody you want to share commonalities with them and see them as similar to you. I know my Christian friends are more comfortable thinking of me as Christian and get a little uncomfortable when they realize I’m not anymore-even though I still treat them the same and act the same day to day.
As a Christian I totally agree with your take. I think the “Jesus was a good moral teacher” belief is really problematic and I would even say is counter to what Jesus actually taught. If you base who Jesus was off the gospels found in the Bible (which I think is fair regardless of beliefs) then Jesus was either a Con Man, a Mad Man, or the God Man. If you don’t believe in God that leaves two options, neither of which are any reason to call yourself Christian.
Don't call yourself a Christian after you made that comment seriously WTF
@@Israel_GirmayWhy? This is the premise of a pretty famous argument Christians use to show Jesus is God.
@@aquamarine42 forget about his divinity, my problem is with the fact that he has a problem with Jesus being a good moral teacher. If you dont believe so, what is the point of being a "christian"!? it absolutely makes no sense.
@@Israel_Girmay Maxim never said that he himself doesn't believe in God or that Jesus was God.
His point is that there are really only 3 legitimate ways to interpret Jesus' motive behind his teachings. He was either trying to deceive everyone for some kind of personal profit (not necessarily monetary), he was self-deceived (or a madman, if you will, though not necessarily completely crazy), or, as all Christians believe, he was exactly who he claimed to be which is God the Son incarnated as a man to achieve salvation for all men and women.
Since Skep clearly doesn't believe in the existence of God, let alone that Jesus was divine, that only leaves him with the other 2 options, neither of which would allow him to respect of follow Jesus as a "good moral teacher".
To put it another way, Jesus is only a good moral teacher IF he was telling the truth (AKA he was and is God). If he wasn't telling the truth (AKA he was not God), then he is not a "good moral teacher", since he claimed direct divine authority (as God himself in human form) to make such moral claims and judgements, none of which should be trusted if his claim to divinity was false.
@@workinprogress8978 I've heard he never even claimed divinity in the first place.
For the life of me I don't know why you don't have quite a few million subscribers. Your reasoning is exceptional, and your eloquence is almost mesmeric. I want to believe there are more than 522,000 ppl that believe as we do. Maybe that is why the world is in the condition it is in. Ah, if I were King!
I've thought the same. I think Drew perfectly described why he doesn't have more followers: he's chosen to not be bombastic or snarky. He calls on viewers to think critically of their beliefs and to be thoughtful of others. Imo, most ppl want a quick high from social media; they're not wanting to actually have to think about or analyze what they've seen and what they believe. They're not really interested in growing and changing. Drew's subscription audience reflects the number of ppl that are thoughtful, critical thinkers and not addicts of the "snark" high.
I was raised in a Methodist household...in Utah. Everywhere I looked, followers of Jesus (Methodist, Mormon, and more) regularly expressed self-righteous, Us-Against-Them thinking. Moreover, in every different church I visited, people _recited_ the words and phrases they'd been conditioned to use when discussing their faith, rather than expressing _their own_ thoughts in _their own_ words. The pretense and arrogance eventually drove me away from religion altogether. Later, my love of learning filled enough knowledge gaps that I no longer even needed even the possibility of supernatural things as a place holder. Once I was free of that, I also came to realize that even Jesus' _best_ philosophical teachings...aren't particularly original or unique.
I love Jesus Christ, and will always follow him
That's fine as long as you don't hate other people to do this it's my only gripe with Christianity is homophobia
When I left the church (and stopped believing) forty years ago, I never felt any need to identify in any way as a Christian. I held on to the beliefs I found useful and discarded the rest. Granted, what I believe has changed over the course of four decades, but I also see that as human and the inevitable result of learning.
Would you make videos about bible stories from a secular view? Its really hard to find sources that arent super for or against the stories, but I still think they are worth learning (especially since one of my favorite things to learn about have been myths, folklore, legends, etc.)
Look up Jordan Peterson's Biblical Series on RUclips.
You can’t get a full understanding of the Bible’s stories if it’s from a secular view, humans are too stupid to understand them
Having been raised in the church, I feel a bond with and sense of duty to that community. If something needs to be said, it gets more of a hearing from within than if it came from an outsider.
Knowing the idioms and respecting the culture can open doors instead of closing them.
I also get benefits of mutual aid, a precious dynamic in the larger context of a very atomized society. The church is basically an extended family. Even the human touch of a hug (from those who are huggers) is something that adds to my life.
I like your cautious approach of not applying labels and I think it is reasonable and keeps you honest as a person. It’s effortless to apply a label and hide behind it when your behavior is incongruous with your values. It softens the cognitive dissonance.
It reminds me of the prologue to Leaves of Grass:
“Re-examine all you have been told in school or church or in any book, dismiss whatever insults your own soul, and your very flesh shall be a great poem.”
This perspective on identity is complex, but it seems spot on for anyone who uses skepticism as a tool for their well being and value judgments.
Thanks for sharing Drew! We all need daily refresh of our lenses and thinking.
I'm Christian and find myself praying mainly for all you who don't have it so easy in your religious families/upbringing and feel the unease to bring up pulling back, mention your atheism or even challenging with good questions. Hope you all find a good support system / friends you can really lean on and just be you.
Praying that God truly blesses and protects all of you - but for my lovely atheists feel free to receive it simply as good will. ;)
SAY CHRIST IS LORD SAY CHRIST IS LORD
Jesus is the Messiah.
Jezus was most likely just a stredt preformer with a good story that gone wrong and look where we are😀
@@SippaOne1 well Sherlock why did he die and rose from the dead and make a well known paraletic walk again?
@@SippaOne1 and turn water into wine
@@SippaOne1 and teach people about love and god AND know about prothets
I fully disagree with the idea that evil isn't choice oreinted. The idea suggests selfishness doesn't exist. If selfishness does exist then extreme forms of it are just that.