I agree that the arguments here aren’t very in depth, but they’re not trying to be. All these atheists are acting like they were promised some six hour thesis about philosophy, theology and metaphysics from a learned scholar. In reality it’s just a meme that was probably more so intended to make his fellow Christians laugh than to piss off atheists. A meme that atheists have and do use all the time.
Not just lacking depth but also fallaciously argued and strawmanned to hell lol. This is not the video you want to defend bud. Even Christians are making fun of how bad this video is.
depth cant fix thr flawed reasoning used in this video and also, it seems pretty pointless for this video to be made in the first place if the arguments it gives arent in 'depth' enough to adequately answer the arguments
"teehee its just a meme/joke brah, you dont have to take us seriously at all teehee." -ifunny memejacker suffering from reduced gyrification Also very sad to pin this comment, coward tactics are to be shunned not supported. Be a man and own up to your arguments, however "intentionally" shallow they might be.
The best part is that according to Reformed's arguments, humanity will be destroyed when evil is destroyed Who will glorify God if humanity no longer exists?
@@matteabrown195 Free will isnt a valid reason either, are you suggesting that god is incapable of creating a reality where free will exists but evil does not? Does free will exist in heaven? If it does this means no evil and free will can coexist, if not then we are losing the supposed greatest gift from god by entering heaven, and becoming robots in the process.
@@calebmills6051 God created Adam and Eve to be perfect and made in his image. But he kept things like the knowledge of good and evil from them (hence the tree). In this state they could exist freely without temptation to do evil because they were not aware of it. By eating from the tree humans discovered the nature of evil and temptation (therefore sin). So God kicked them out. My assumption would be that God saw the fall of man and that the overarching narrative of the Bible is that humans must regain that. Since humanity was made in God's image, it leads me to believe humanity was God's pet project. This journey of redemption therefore must be undertaken willfully by humans to be like God. I'm an atheist but that's my interpretation of the narrative and how I would sell it if I was Christian This common Christian image of God as absolute perfection without flaw is contradicted heavily by the Bible itself and several alternative interpretations have been forwarded throughout history. It's pretty interesting really.
2:46 exodus 21:20-21 "Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property" Redeemed zoomer, please explain this verse to me
This is from the Old Testament. This shows God's will for progressiveness. For context, slavery was accepted as a normal practice in ancient society (but this is not an endorsement of slavery);, and God was showing people its time for progressiveness by regulating social behavior and justice. Morality progresses through time. The New Testament, particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, emphasizes love, equality, and justice, which surpass the Old Testament regulations.
Consider yourself for the sake of the argument, that you are a Christian slave. God has put in the bible that your master cannot kill you. This was written to give you hope and survival under harshness of slavery that can happen (or might happen, hopefully never again) to anybody. This verse wasn't really meant for the slave owner, it is meant for the slave. It was written to provide solace that there are laws that offer you, the slave, protection. If the master kills you, they will be punished. Finally, New Testament obviously does not endorse slavery. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12) Why become a slave owner? Do you want to become a slave?
@@tigrederd So why did he ban everything else, but not this one thing? Also, the New Testament also allows slavery and the Bible never even hints at slavery being a bad thing, but it does condone it repeatedly
“Why can’t God destroy evil?” “He’ll do it eventually.” “Why can’t he do it now?” “Because he’ll destroy you.” “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” “We deserve it.” A masterpiece of how not to make an argument
there's no point in arguing with christians because they didn't arrive to that conclusion through evidence and research, but rather indoctrination, fear mongering, and hope.
@@Eeeeerrttr "we deserve to live in a world of sin because we sinnned. why did god allow the world to be full of sin? idk, something about defeating satan and letting my son die on earth just so that nothing changes anyways and in the end 95% of his creations die anyway, but that doesn't matter, because it's their fault for existing anyway"
@@jan-3356 he loves everyone and gives them a chance to accept, it talks about in the bible how jesus knocks at your door and gives you a chance to open it, its your choice hes not forcing you to make a choice
My grandpa died of cancer, he was the nicest man I've ever met Tell me that he died because he (or I) deserved it yet Pol Pot died peacefully at home in his sleep Edit: Thank you to all the Christians and athiests being kind, but it is genuinely crazy how many "devout" and "kind" Christians will publicly say that a man they never met deserved to die of cancer, just because he didn't believe in the same god as they did
depends on what you think happens after death. if you believe there is a god, there is an afterlife where there is fairness. your grandfather suffered, but then could have experienced a joy of being free from pain. death isn't such a terrible thing if you believe in a god, but if you don't believe in a god, you have to face the cold harsh realities of genetics and nature. he lived a good life, and died a terrible death and that's it? i would say that's more upsetting than to think he was taken by a god who knows how good and loved he was. it's not about who deserves what, it's how do you choose to live life? bitterly and walking the world alone, or believing there is a higher power beyond this life
I'm a Catholic but sometimes *"I don't know"* is the only answer I can give. We don't have all the answers and to think so otherwise would be arrogance.
I am an atheist, and I completely agree. However, that stance seems to completely go against the idea of belief, and particularly against religious truth claims. I would say accepting the unknown exemplifies atheism. Could you explain how you reconcile these things together?
@@OKC_THUNDER_NUMBER1 I am not sure I understand what you mean. Let me double-check: are you saying, that you have an answer, which is "faith", but it is not satisfactory for atheists, so you have to resort to "I don't know" as the next best approximation. Is that correct, or did I misrepresent your stance?
@@peezieforestem5078 it's not that hard to understand, and you sound like you're trying to sound smart. you sound like the human personification of google, you don't have to go that deep into it.
@@bitonic589 I think you're intelligence is so vast, you struggle to comprehend how stupid some people can be. I am certainly not as smart as you are, and I literally do not understand how I can differentiate between these 2 possibilities. Whatever "depth" you saw in my comment -it's a reflection of your own thought processes - I was just asking a basic clarifying question. I also don't understand how you can tell what I sound like, or why does it matter (what I sound like)... I hope you're not using text-to-speech, but if you do, of course I would sound as a personification of Google, because Google is literally voicing my text. So, if you don't like how it sounds, try using Siri (from Apple) or Alexa (from Microsoft). (assuming you were using text-to-speech).
List of the fallacies(35) I found in this video. If I missed one or got one incorrect, feel free to drop a reply! 0:01 - Ad Hominem 0:19 - Red Herring 0:28 - Tu Quoque, Hasty Generalization 0:36 - Red Herring 1:02, 1:21, 1:22 - Appeal to Authority Also 1:22 - Ad Hominem 1:46 - The argument itself is an Assertion fallacy - the reply is Ad Hominem and Hasty Generalization 1:59 - Argument - Assertion, Reply - Circular, Assertion 2:49 - Special Pleading 3:10 - Red Herring, Special Pleading, Hasty Generalization 3:27 - Special Pleading 3:37 - Hasty Generalization 4:08 - Strawman? (It uses an argument by said Atheist that misconstrues the meaning of "Atheism" but idk) 4:27 - Appeal to Personal Incredulity 4:43 - Red Herring, Hasty Generalization 5:02 - Circular, Non-Sequitur, Begging the Question 5:27 - Appeal to Future 5:31 - False Dilemma 6:24 - Appeal to Consequences 6:33 - Non-Sequitur 6:37 - Begging the Question 6:48 - Red Herring 7:13 - Argumentum ad Lapidum 8:02 - Red Herring 8:13 - Argumentum ad Lapidum 8:23 - Red Herring Not posting this to be an ass, but firstly as practice for me to listen more carefully for illogical arguments, and hopefully as a reminder to others! I would be interested to see maybe a video this length on 2 or 3 topics, and then take the time to explain them in more depth.
@@drewww2472I very much could be wrong, but in this one I saw it as avoiding what the argument was actually talking about, Christianity’s spreading through military conquest, by just saying that it used to be illegal. It doesn’t actually address the argument and throws a misleading piece of information in the mix to do so
@@luca16messa How about you just try actually reading or using critical thinking and not depend on a RUclips video of a religious kid who doesn't know anything about atheism argue about it
@@rawkfist-ih6nk t'was a joke... -_- the arguments redeemed zoomer layed out aren't really in depth, and the whole video is meant to serve as a joke, honestly some atheists didn't get the memo, but I understand their interpretation also I wouldn't argue endlessly in the comment section if I were you, it would waste our time, so we can just agree-to-disagree and move on, yeah?
@@davidstanford9933why use a meme format if you are seriously trying to answer "all" atheist arguments? of course some people aren't going to take is seriously.
So what he is saying is that God causes pain and suffering just to make himself look good? How does he not realize that he just made God sound like an evil jerk
That was an issue of questioning the (Catholic) Church's authority since they saw it as somehow diminishing their place in the universe, it was never a general anti science stance like people say
Pope Urban VIII had been a patron to Galileo and had given him permission to publish on the Copernican theory as long as he treated it as a hypothesis, but after the publication in 1632, the patronage broke due to Galileo placing Urban's arguments for God's omnipotence, which Galileo had been required to include, in the mouth of a simpleton character named "Simplicio" in the book; this caused great offense to the Pope.
@@cheifdonkey149 I think You've got it wrong my man. We aren't judging his arguments in relation to full fledged rebuttals, they just aren't good even by the standard of short quips.
@@2007NissanAltima Atheists are normal people. Its culturs who are an embaressment when they have the full access to all human knowlage on the internet.
Funny how even Christians disagree with his statement. He makes the free will argument look compelling in comparison (despite the god of the bible being omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient and does interact with his creation unlike a deistic god)
@@arthurjellybeanmorgan2160 God didn't make evil, evil is basically something that opposes God and his will. He did not make evil people, it's the things that we do that are evil. (Which is why the word "sin" can be a verb) Sinning against God is opposing God, which means opposing holiness. And God being the just God that he is, of course we deserve punishment for violating his commandments. But he also knows that as human as we are, imperfect and sinful, there is nothing we can do to reign victory over sin and evil (and its consequences). So that's where his love comes in, where he sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to atone and intercede in behalf of the beginning to the last of us, so that we may be redeemed from eternal damnation, which supposedly is what we deserve. Jesus lived a perfect sinless life, and he wasn't going round condemning sinners, rather, giving us hope, showing a new perspective of life and a new way to be human. Also just so you know, Hell isn't just some place with lakes of fires in it, but is also eternal separation from God. Which is why there's eternal suffering, which we chose instead of holiness, because again, that's the consequence of sin, because again, sin causes you to be separated from God, because again, God is holy.
Bro lost an argument against his own straw men💀💀💀 Please note that the skulls are not symbolising laughter but are rather symbols about how this video sucks so much that it makes me wanna die
yeah i few of these were a little off. For example, "if you were born into a non christian country, then you wouldnt be christian", he just answered by saying "if you were born into another country, would you be atheist?". I feel like this doesnt really answer the original question. I interpret that question as saying "How is it ok to send people who have never heard of god to hell."
@@Syffx. I have a counter argument I am a Quaker and I think non Christian can go to heaven because we are all familiar with the same light of god, I’m a minority though there is only about 400,000 Quakers main stream Christian would probably rebut it by day isn’t it’s unfair that they won’t be saved but it’s also unfair that anyone ever was saved because we are inherently flawed and don’t deserve it(I don’t completely agree but that’s the majority argument)
@@philipcollins90I’m not a big fan of Christianity in general, but you Quakers are alright in my book. You guys are one of the only Christian groups who can say you were abolitionists in the U.S. before the stance was mandated by secular culture. I’m sure there are a billion things we’d disagree about, but that aspect of your religion at least deserves to be called out and commended.
"Secular scholars don't agree on which quotes are fake so we can discard their opinions. It's totally okay that there's 5000 Christian denominations though because they agree on the essentials." Lmao.
@@CptDawner I'm aware that it was "addressed," did you even read my entire post? The point is the hypocrisy of saying "My enemies don't perfectly agree on everything so we can ignore everything they say, but it's okay that we do that." It's particularly hypocritical because you very much don't agree on the essentials, which is why there's 5000 denominations in the first place. If you agreed, you would only need one. Do you need to be baptized to get into Heaven? Yes and no. How should baptism be done? Sprinkling water on the head is enough, but actually its full immersion. Are you allowed to get a divorce? Yes and no. Are Christians still beholden to Old Testament laws? Yes and no. Does Purgatory exist? Yes and no. How many books are canon? 66 and 73. Is the bible inerrant and infallible? Yes and no. Prima scriptura vs. Sola scriptura. And many other things. Therefore, since none of you agree we can discard your opinions.
@@JohnDoe-nq5dt First of all, something cannot be "easy to answer" and "difficult to explain" at the same time, those are mutually contradictory. Second of all, I'm not sure what you're even talking about because there are no "atheist questions" in either of my posts. The initial claims from the video are: 1. Secular scholars don't 100% agree on every single thing, therefore all of their opinions are worthless. 2. Christians don't 100% agree on every single thing, but this is fine because they agree on the essentials. My first post is pointing out that saying both of these things at the same time makes you a hypocrite. CptDawner for some reason decides to reply with something I already mentioned, completely not understanding what I even said apparently, so I decided to point out that "we agree on the essentials" is not even true in the first place by listing various _Christian_ questions that Christians do not agree on. And according to the video's own logic, because this is the case, we can discard all Christian opinions. Thus, I don't know what "atheist questions" you're talking about. The only question _I_ asked was whether CptDawner actually read my post properly. If you'd like to actually have a proper conversation about the above issue, feel free to actually say something of substance. But popping in with "It's so easy to answer atheist questions, but I'm not going to because actually it's difficult to answer atheist questions," is just a waste of time.
Saying that God let evil exist because he's glorified in defeating it is like starting your own war and then stopping it and being hailed as a hero, even though you directly caused all the suffering, so really you've just created evil.
well i mean i guess he simply got that wrong lol but in Christian theology, the allowance of evil is intricately tied to the concept of free will, a fundamental aspect of human existence. God's plan involves granting individuals the freedom to make moral choices, even if some choose to engage in wrongdoing. The existence of evil, therefore, stems from the exercise of free will rather than a direct act of God. The redemptive narrative in Christianity underscores the possibility of transformation, forgiveness, and the ultimate triumph over evil through divine intervention and human choices aligned with God's will.
the video said, essentially, 'good' is 'in accordance with the nature of God', and 'evil' is 'absence of the nature of God', and therefore God is inherently good
@@clash1505 but evil is not necessary at all for people to be free, if you kill someone and enjoy it that doesn't do anything good for anyone, it's a waste of a human life and there's already countless things one could do to get that same satisfaction that aren't evil... God has created evil either willingly or unwillingly.
This video has the energy of a commentary by a Reddit atheist turned tradcath who barely learned anything regarding logical fallacies and reinforcing his beliefs.
"Tradcath" He's a Presbyterian. Do Catholics really just live in your mind rent free, that you just automatically parrot the usual buzzwords without even thinking first
How unsearchable are His judgments and decisions and how unfathomable and untraceable are His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO HAS BEEN HIS COUNSELOR?
it almost sounds like God wasn't satisfied with a perfect world so he created evil (this allowing billions to die and suffer) so he could have some petty form of glory. Not a god I would want to worship.
NO evil = no free will. Only having one option (to do good) is the same has having no options. No freedom. For humans to be truly free, they must have not only seen evil, but experienced it to truly understand its nature and in order to truly appreciate the good. The Buddha began his path to enlightened because he went outside of his palace and saw the evils of poverty, disease, and crime. If he stayed inside his palace his whole life, and didn't experience any evil, he would never have evolved into an enlightened being who understands and appreciates the nature of the good. Its the same with Christianity. Had God not let Adam and Eve stray, they would've remain ignorant, and non-appreciative of what good is.
@@categories5066 God is omnipotent, so he could've created a world where simultaneously no evil can exist and people are free. Similarly to how he created a world where people have free will despite the fact that he knows ahead of time which actions they will take.
Because he literally just tries to use doublespeak to ask “well what is evil? It’s not a physical thing so…let’s move on to the next dumb question I think I’m answering.”
@@nate_mccallisteri am an atheist, and i agree that it is a bad response, but it is not doublespeak. what he's arguing is that "good" is god's will, like a vase whose mold conforms to the appearance and functions of god's nature. then "evil" is just the distortion of god's will and nature, so a vase whose appearance and function is distorted. but i'd argue it is a bad argument. since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function, then it is impossible to distinguish god's will from man's will. man is as much creator of worth as god, so either 1. god has given up all will to man, and therefore his judgement has become irrelevant (thus god does not exist in practice) or 2. god does not exist at all. if we cannot prove 1 then 2 proves itself either way.
@@lucca3113 This is terrible reasoning. "since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function" God created all things, including man. The created thing is not the creator. A man can program a computer to create an image, but that doesn't mean that "man has given up all will to the computer... and thus man doesn't exist in practice". It doesn't mean that man doesn't exist at all.
@@hertzzgames Dude's a Calvinist. The free will argument goes out the window in his book, which makes God look like a kid killing ants with a magnifying glass. "Why does evil exist?" Because if it did not, free will wouldn't either.
i’m sorry man but my religion tells me that I have to get upset over you being an athiest blah blah on no you’re get bad blah blah listen man I don’t know if it’s even possible for me to say this right now but my religion basically forces me to say something about you minding your business and if I had the ability to ignore you I would man something something read the Bible I don’t even wanna be bothering you i’m sorry if I did
“Why can’t God destroy evil?” “He’ll do it eventually.” “Why can’t he do it now?” “Because he’ll destroy you.” “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” “We deserve it.” The 2 month old baby that got diagnosed with stage 6 cancer:
I less lazy answer would be "the world is full of carcinogens in the food and environment because greedy people in power prioritize profit over health". A second, closer to the root answer would be; the world isn't our final destination, so realistically that baby just suffered for 2 months and then got to heaven way earlier than we will. Good for him. Living is hard. True Christians do not fear death.
he picked the ones that can be explained in a brief 10 minute video. if you actually care then you can easily find more in depth explanations of the more complicated things on youtube
Ok I’m a Hindu and I believe in god fully; however I don’t seem to understand what his explanation is for why god exists. You can’t prove by converses because there are an infinite amount of cases. He didn’t elaborate at all about the science question. For example, I could ask why the Bible has the creation date of the earth so incorrect? He never proves god isn’t in the natural world using mathematics. He simply states it. As long as he can’t do the math, he can’t be correct.@@thug588
"Why do bad things happen?" "We deserve it" Okay tell that to the little girl that got raped did she deserve it?, the family's mother who was murdered? Do they deserve to live their life without their mother? How about the INNOCENT victims of all the serial killers in human history? Did they deserve to die?
psychology has shown that we tend to believe in just world, where justice generally prevails and people are eventually compensated for fortunes and misfortunes but this also means that we're prone to thinking that the unfortunate people must have done something to deserve their fate when study participants are asked to explain why there are poor people, raped victims, cancer patients, traffic accidents' survivors, people with congenital birth defects, natural disasters' victims they twisted facts, or invented reasons that people caused their misfortunes themselves... rather just being victims research suggests that this belief is a coping mechanism that derives from the belief in just world
You think we dont sin against him EVERYDAY?? Ever since the downfall of mankind, we have been sinning. God backed up a bit to make room because WE DIDNT CHOOSE TO OBEY HIM. And with that... Evil and sin ruled the world, along with the evil of man putting it on little girls. It is not Gods fault, its ours. It is by the sin of man that those happen. They had free will, free will which then they used it for evil. They sinned against that girl by their OWN WILL, not Gods.
@@weebwubb9569 how can you say "you love me" If in your To Do list is written that you planned to lock me up and torture me for eternity when you were rejected by me? the Godman you're promoting is too childish, he needs to grow up and be the real man
@@weebwubb9569 I studied psychology and it's easy for me to see that the concept of jealous Godman, that you Must worship one Godman derives from man's incapability of handling rejection from a girl, and also handling rejection from many things in life being rejected by others is quite difficult for men to handle, the concept of jealous Godman is just the manifestation of it. let's lock all the rejectors up in hell, for eternity several men that I rejected back in my college days were a gazillion better than the Godman you're promoting, they didn't proceed to lock me up and torture me for eternity🤭🤭🤭
@@weebwubb9569 God is only powerful and perfect because he keeps on and on and on creating imperfect things that are less powerful than him, what an insecure man with beard
I must thank Redeemed Zoomer for this video. Without it I wouldn't have had all the laughs watching the countless atheist response videos. This one video has been a gold mine for atheist creators and has provided me hours of entertainment. Thank you Redeemed Zoomer!
You know a video is good when you have already seen 7 people debunk it and there are still other interesting ways to debunk it that you haven't seen yet
@@pythondrink I'll name some who debunked it. Alex O'Connor, Professor Plink, Rationality Rules, and Sir Sic. These are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
"Why did god let evil exist at all?" "Because he's glorified in defeating it" When I heard this I remembered the dialogue of Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising- "I'm using war as a business to get elected"
I mean, it makes no sense. Is God so thin-skinned that he needs to be glorified? And if he does, he can't think of a better way to do it than to allow evil to flourish, and people to suffer as a result?
listen to the argument. just because you dont want to doesnt make him wrong. Jesus even said this would happen. Jesus said the world would hate us for believing him.
@@deejaythedeejay Nah The whole point of logical fallacies is that if they are the only thing supporting an argument, it falls apart. This in itself is not a fallacy and my comment was about those.
It really isn’t most of you atheist don’t use your brain and cry in the comments if they don’t understand a simple thing😂😂. Remember this is a 10 minute video kid😂
I was looking for actually good arguments to challenge my atheism, and after watching this video, I found none. The amazingly massive amount of logical fallcies and wordplay in this video is absolutely breathtaking.
are you a scientist? Or just an egoist who doesnt want to be dependent by something he doesnt understand. We all feel mighty and strong alone untill the day comes, the day when we die
@@doctormomentos2514 I can offer you something even better, and while my comment sounds sarcastical, it actually is not, so I ask you to take it seriously. Watch a video on the different types of logical fallacies. Alternatively, you can google them or ask Chat GPT to give you a list of them with a short explanation and example for each of them. I believe that this is important for everyone to do because afterwards, it is almost like you can view the world in a different way; you will start to see logical fallacies everywhere, as people like to use them to win an argument or make a point when they're out of ideas. It will help you see which politicans are lying to get your vote and which are more trustable. If you're ever in an argument with someone, being aware of logical fallacies will massively help you. You may also notice how you unintentionally use logical fallacies from time to time without knowing it. After being aware of them, discussions will become easier and you may avoid to fall for lies or false arguments. However, as to not ignore your initial request; I think the very first logical fallacy is that atheists are basicly depicted as soy boys/virgins, thus the content creator is already trying to downplay them. I believe it falls under the ad hominem fallacy.
@@doctormomentos2514 the detection of logical fallacies is something learnt and taught to people as early as highschool. I'll give you a few timestamps in this video, and let you train yourself on their identification! 0:00 to 9:04
As a Christian, I feel this piece falls a little short on the explanation side of things. While I (inner circle, regular Bible reader) can understand the meaning and context to most of the answers to each argument, I don't think the majority of "answers" really answered anything. It often just posited an opposing point, without sufficient supporting evidence. The answers with quotes from Church fathers and Bible quotes were the best responses. Every answer to each of these questions should tie back to those things in some way.
I'm not entirely sure that this was meant to bring atheists to God. This could be a building ground for us Christians to work upon and expand, just as a basic idea. However, I do agree with you. But if he had explained each one in depth it would have been days long. God bless!
I find it interesting how in this video, in response to the "Evolution disproves God" argument, you say that there have been religious thinkers in the past who have concluded that the Genesis story is not literal, but in a more recent video about heresies, you say that anyone claiming that the bible is not literal follows "liberalism" which is a heresy. So in order to answer the athiest argument, you had to use a heretical one. Again, very interesting.
As much as I love when people point out one's hypocrisy, I can't help but feel like even he doesn't believe or listen to the shit he says. Like, has he made an updated video, or responded to any of the arguments these comment bring up? He's either stoking the fire or, as his name suggests, a young kid who is struggling to make sense of our confusing world, and doing a poor job of it. Hell, I feel like the christian keyboard warriors here have a far more, albiet still flawed, understanding of this topic.
I feel like this should be a red flag to believers. Saying that Genesis is metaphorical just means that they're admitting they can't take the Bible at its word.
I love how he felt the need to lie about Hitler being atheist. If you have to edit the Wikipedia article, you know you’re in the wrong. Hitler was a critic of atheism💀
The religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler, dictator of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, have been a matter of debate. During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church; his father, Alois Hitler, was a free-thinker and skeptical of the Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived. According to John Willard Toland, witnesses indicate that Hitler’s confirmation sponsor had to "drag the words out of him … almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to him."
It's clear that Hitler manipulated Christian beliefs to support his worldview. As the above commenter mentioned, there is really nothing in Hitler's life that indicates a practicing Christian. Even per Wikipedia, and it's cited sources, "Hitler and the Nazi party promoted "Positive Christianity",[41] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[42][43] " this is certainly NOT Christianity, and is absolutely heretical. The moment he rejects Jesus' divinity, which is a tenet of all basically all true Christian forms, with their beliefs outlined in the Nicene Creed (council of Nicea), then you cannot consider them as "Christians". Now, to claim Hitler as "atheist" is ambiguous. But again, you can see he would schrewdly approach religion, and use what fits best, he was pragmatic. Here's a quote for you: "BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[44]" Truly ask yourself, was Hitler a deist? Very well could have been. Was he secular? Agnostic or atheist, that just manipulated religious teaching and customs to get what he wanted? Very well could have. But we don't know, clearly. But with his apparent disdain for Catholicism and other aspects of Judeo-Christian culture, it seems like this may have been the case. And to end off on this quote: "The historian Geoffrey Blainey wrote that Hitler courted and benefited from fear among German Christians of militant Communist atheism.[189] "The aggressive spread of atheism in the Soviet Union alarmed many German Christians", wrote Blainey, and with the National Socialists becoming the main opponent of Communism in Germany: "[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible."[189]"
Hitler was some weird pagan occultist or some shit, but Nazi Germany was mostly secular, they didn't really give a shit about your religion. Hell, they didn't even care about the Jewish religion, just the Jewish ethnicity.
Denying Free will is the Greatest Evil, With Free will, Comes Evil You can choose to do Evil or Not, because, In not Letting Evil Happen in the first place, It denys us Free will, which inturn, makes us robot-like
@@D4rkslider Honestly, if I and my fellow humans had to go about life as robots in order to avoid a lifetime of suffering, I would be pretty okay with that. Plus, if God couldn't create humans without creating evil, why make humans at all? To quote Lord Farquaad, "Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." God's completely fine with humans suffering and dying as long as the ones that are still alive worship him. Not a good look in my personal opinion, but hey, you do you
@@queenraeisel6651 There is also another way to frame that last sentence. "God is not completely fine with ANY of His creation perishing as a result of sin 'evil'. However, He is justified in creating man (for fellowship) in spite of the many that will reject Him. It may not be fully satisfactory on an emotional level, but it's not an injustice for God to create men who would freely chose to reject Him & forgo that fellowship he would have with those who would embrace & love Him.
This may be one of the worst videos I have ever seen. Like his point on god being the uncaused causer is so hilarious. He just asserts it makes more sense for god to be an uncaused causer than the universe because he already agrees with it 😂
This is such a powerful video. It has truly brought communities together. Atheists, Christians, Muslims. We all unite, and in many comment threads I can see love, reassurance, and support for our fellow man. To keep hope, to love one another. And we all do this... in spite of what an absolute trash fire this video is. I assume you made this for school, or for a teacher, or for a community. I don't blame you. Get your grades, get your paycheck, do what you have to do and keep strong... but once you hit an old enough age to comfortably assume you can reasonably stand on your own two feet..? Set out upon the world. Learn as much as you can. Put ALL of your original considerations about how things SHOULD be behind, and learn like a child would in these new communities. Don't go WITH your fellowship, don't go WITH a missionary team, don't let them contextualize everything you see and learn into what you should believe. Just learn it for yourself. Breathe through it, and rip the band-aid off. I had to, once. You can do it.
Why though? I mean yeah it was incredibly condenses but he still provided the basic foundation of both the questions and the arguments which can help people explore and debate by using this video and it's points as a foundation to educate themselves.
@@trapidtrap2612 In some questions he goes more in depth and actually explains in somewhat well. In others, he gives it to the viewer's faith and that's valid since that's part of religion anyway. But for most of the questions, he doesn't answer it and gives something completely far off. So that he doesn't lose to the strawman's arguments, he gives an answer that confuses the strawman and the audience. He relies a lot of fallacies to try to _"make a point"_ _And as a cherry on top, he has drawn himself as the based Chad while the cringe atheist is a soy Wojak. Truly one of the most convincing pieces for Christianity of all time_
Watching this was just so frustrating. As a former atheist, I don't think lot of theists understand that many of those in Gen Z know who Jesus is, and admire Jesus, its just the church and its people.
fr i thought exactly the same, bro picked the weakest arguments and still failed to counter most of them. At this point most christians are just lying to themselves, they`re ignoring arguments and saying they won debates were they clearly lost
His bit about comparing Scandinavia to Communist China and saying that the former was rooted in Christianity was pretty funny. Other than the blatant cherry picking, it refutes nothing and makes the implication that Scandinavia would be in the same place as China without Christianity. It's a bit sad that people in the comments are taking him dead seriously.
as an atheist i guarantee i can make a better debate for why god is real. especially when it comes to this: “Why can’t God destroy evil?” because who is to say what is evil and what isn't? dying, suffering or anything else we percieve as negative might be for the greater good, maybe we are not capable of understanding beyond ''this feels good, this feels bad'' and so on. Nothing is good or bad, shit i realise that while im trying to defend gods existant im kinda going against it since god created hell for bad people and heaven for good people, well i guess its impossible to defend something made up by the church to make extra money and manipulate people n gain political power “Why does he let bad things happen at all?” we as humans are not capable of seeing beyond our own suffering, or others suffering, only god is able to see the bigger picture, in the end we cannot feel good in absence of suffering.
-Why god allowed evil -To glorify himself in banishing it! *** -Mommy! I chopped puppy's legs of, so i can feed him and treat his wounds! -Oh, you such a glorious saviour, pumpkin!
This was made for biased Christians who wanted their beliefs to be approved by somebody for them to feel good about themselves, like all of these "Debunking Atheism😎" style videos.
I am a Christian and I DEFINITELY cringed because he took complex questions that have real and legitimate answers and reduced those to quick answer gotcha orthodox based Chad bring the West back styled memes. He’s not winning any Christians over just as the top 10 Christian argument videos published by atheists aren’t winning any deconverts.
@@freshcarrot2253 lol that was an inside joke because of nameless's profile pic. there's nothing wrong with observing the other side and offering honest criticism...
Honestly I think a better way to answer the “religion causes wars/evil” question is not to say non religious wars/evil happen more often, but that no matter your religious belief we are all intrinsically evil, and that religious people are not exempt.
While you have a valid point yourself I do not think it qualifies to replace the original point, but could be layered onto it after the original is stated for reinforcement. I say this because numbers are very powerful and when you have a strong statistic to illustrate in favor of your stance you should absolutely use it (and have your source ready to share, which they will definitely ask for). 3% of wars being caused by Christianity means the rest of the world is the cause for 97%. That is an extremely condemning number and is impossible to justify by an atheist.
@@johnwicksfoknpencil That is if you only see the world as Christian vs the rest of the world, that 97% is made up of billions of people, other nations, countries, and religions. If the 97% is divided up and percentages divided accordingly each group could say the same, now I dont know the % of Islam, but say its also 3% then they could say the same. But I would say it is much more complex. Statistics is a complex topic, while the main reason for most of the wars in history might not be cited as religious, the governments involved might be religious, and the reasons for their political stances might be religious...I'm not saying it is. After all only 20% of the world identifies as non-believers... I believe, Take America in the Middle East, the reasons will not be cited as Christian or religious, but are committed to by a Christian nation(arguably at least). Now I dont know the stats cited here, but I doubt the remainder is secular or atheist causes necessarily. It's probably political, nationalistic, etc. This might be a black-and-white fallacy where just because it's not (directly) Christian doesn't mean it's automatically atheistic causes. You wanting to pin the rest of the 97% solely on atheists is like me pinning the American civil war on Christianity, just because most people involved were Christian (dont know if they actually were just making a point) as the war itself has nothing to with that, so that would be ridiculous, it's the same the other way around. Just because a war is not because of Christianity doesn't automatically make it because of atheism, or even if it is between atheists doesn't mean it's because of atheism. There are a plethora of reasons and stances. The main point atheists make regarding this I believe, is that Christian or religious people aren't inherently more moral or good people, not necessarily (although some atheists probably hold this point) that all wars are because of religion.
Additionally wars mostly happen either to gain resources or influence. To say "oh it was religion" misses the mark to me as an excuse would be used to start it. Honestly, even the crusades (at least some of them) were simply to stop the aggressive expansion of muslim powers into Europe.
Atheists don't believe people are intrinsically evil. In fact, many don't believe evil even exists- but rather that morality is mostly gray. If you put a man who had never had any other human contact alone in a forest, they would simply do what is necessary to survive.
"Because he'd have to destroy you" is absolutely not a counter argument to "Why can't God destroy evil now?" If God can destroy evil but doesn't because I'm alive he has my full permission to send me to hell on the spot, that's just a basic trolley problem.
that's literally what god is as well. he's done terrible things but he's still seen as good, because god is god and god cant do wrong and he works in mysterious ways, so mysterious that its indistinguishable from him not existing at all.
I had to stop watching immediately with the claim "Hitler is an Atheist." "It's true that Hitler's public statements opposing atheism should not be given too much weight, since they obviously served Hitler's political purposes to tar political opponents. However, in his private monologues, he likewise rejected atheism, providing further evidence that this was indeed his personal conviction. Perhaps even more significantly, he had complete faith that Providence had chosen him to lead the German people to greatness. It's clear through his personal monologues that he rejected Atheism, but while confessing faith in an omnipotent being of some sort, however, Hitler denied we could know anything about it. Source: Hitler's Religion by Richard Weikart (History Professor at California State University)
I really don't know, I'm reading a book about polish hero Pilecki who volunteered to Auschwitz nazi camp as a spy for polish ressistance and the West and in the concentration camp he asked sometimes Polish people for their religion, which surprised me, because that means in the 30' not all the Poles were religious, so in Germany also could be like that.
@@deplorabledegenerate2630 _> Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century?_ They weren't, buddy. They were quite poor. Do you think they invented eating surstromming because they were prosperous? 😆 Selling herring and taxing the trade between Russia and Europe through the Baltic sea were their primary sources of income before 20th century. E.g. before WW1, Sweden was deeply in dept. After WW1, Sweden was swimming in gold.
The entire thing for my fellow lazy ppl 1) I believe in science so that means god can't be real 2)I was raised Christian and I have trauma (they said not to sin) 3) look here is a violent Bible verse that nobody ever noticed before 4) there is contradictions in the Bible (that the Church has never noticed) 5) SKY DADDY 6) if God is real why don't I have a gg yet? 7) I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho) 8) your god did a genocide in the flood he big meanie Timestamp: 0:06
That is like asking “The heater can only make heat so how is there cold?” A good thing doesn’t necessarily imply an incorruptible thing, those are two different attributes.
@@PatrickWDunne reading this just makes me think you're a monkey. The fact that you can't understand that free will exists even though you had the thought to type the comment and not God is actually absurd.
If god has to destroy me to get rid of evil. Then why is suicide bad since you're technically getting rid of evil in this world by destroying yourself.
If the Secular scholars not agreeing on which Psalms are made up makes THEIR opinions invalid, then Christians not agreeing on how to worship God properly makes THEM invalid. I don't believe Christianity is invalid, but I do not believe in God, I never will, and I do not want your opinions shoved in my face.
I don't think you understand what 'faith' means. Christians have faith that God will be there for them and help them and have faith that He'll answer their prayers, not faith that He exists at all.
@@lukebaker5135 how can Christians say that the existence of God in unfalsifiable but also say that their belief in God's existence isn't based on faith
here’s a bag of candy, some of it is poisoned but you don’t know which ones!!! normal people: don’t eat any of it, this guy: shoves the whole thing in his mouth
3:56 What I understood from this part: "The most prosperous countries are atheist, not because atheism leads to prosperity, but because prosperity leads to atheism, since if the Earth is a Heaven, who needs God, right?"
‘If you were born someone else you wouldn’t be a Christian’ isn’t trying to dismiss your beliefs by arguing they’re meaningless because they’re shaped by environment. It’s arguing that the main factor in whether you got to heaven or hell is where you were born, which clearly isn’t moral or fair
Whether God is good is a completely different issue from whether or not God exists. When people start acknowledging their Creator, *then* we can have a discussion about how nice He is.
@@christopherbravo1813 what nonsense. Imagine this scenario: You’re only allowed to have an opinion at the election if you’re a party member, and if you’re not a party member you get tortured for eternity. Sounds like “free will” 😂
@@christopherbravo1813 Im just here for someone to prove he exists without bible cases, psychosis or reports that have no ability to be fact checked in even the most shallow ways.
The argument isn't "Your geographical location influenced your belief, therefore your belief is false." The reason someone holds a belief has nothing to do with whether or not it is true. The argument is "If a god exists and reveals themself to all people, we would not expect geographical location to be the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Location _is_ the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Therefore such a god does not exist."
First of all, location is not the primary indicator for religious affiliation; there are a multitude of factors that may influence what someone believes, but it all comes down to what someone chooses to believe. If it wasn't so, we wouldn't have individuals or minority groups who go against the majority culture. Presenting one factor as the primary indicator for religious affiliation neglects the complexity of reasons for why people believe what they believe. Second, you're presenting a false dilemma: either everyone believes the same thing, or God doesn't exist. You're forgetting a third option. Yes, God has chosen to reveal Himself to all nations, either through Scripture, the human conscience, or the natural world. However, mankind still has the free will to reject God and create their own religions, because even though they don't want anything to do with the one true and living God, they cannot get rid of their need to believe in something. It would be akin to arguing that because there is a real Dollar, no counterfeit dollars could ever exist, but since we have counterfeit dollars, therefore there is no real Dollar. If anything, the existence of counterfeit dollars underscores the necessity for a real Dollar, because if there was no real Dollar, how would you know if it was counterfeit? You don't even need to use God to prove this. I bet that most people know that eating fast food is unhealthy and will kill you slowly if eaten excessively, yet they still do it. The problem is not that people don't have knowledge, but rather that you need to explain why people act a certain way in spite of what they know. TL;DR - False dilemma; even if God made Himself known 100%, people could still reject Him because of free will.
@@PppPlyr2 it absolutely IS the primary indicator. Almost all muslims are born or are recently decended from majority muslim countries, and the same goes for almost all Christians being born in the west.
@@Daniel-vl8zmSaying it's the primary factor doesn't account for the religious differences WITHIN the members of the various denominations, but of course leave it to atheists to generalize to the degree that individuals stop existing and only groups remain.
@@Daniel-vl8zm See? You yourself disprove your own position; you say "almost all Muslims" (emphasis on "almost all"). If location was the primary factor, wouldn't you expect 100% allegiance to whatever religion is prominent in that area? As an aside, even if location was the primary factor, what does that have to do with whether or not that religion is true or not? Truth remains true regardless of location, so you cannot assess the truthfulness of a religion based on where it came from. Also, I didn't see a response to my second point.
@@PppPlyr2you clearly don’t understand what “primary” means and that’s ok. No, location being the primary factor does NOT imply 100% at all, it literally means “almost all”. It wouldn’t be “primary” factor then, it would be the “only” factor
The funny thing about the "can God contradict itself" is that plenty of atheistic scholars reject that argument as well, as they properly understand the definition of omnipotence. Another good response to the military conquest argument is the amount of times Christianity has spread to a new country or culture by just one missionary who was later killed, but the people converted anyway.
I understand that discussions about the existence of God can be challenging, and perspectives can vary. One specific point you mentioned was about the weakness of the arguments presented. Could you provide an example of a specific argument that you found weak? I'd like to explore it further and see if we can delve into the specifics. Keep in mind that the complexity of theological discussions often involves subjective interpretations, and what might seem weak to one person could be compelling to another."
@@HyperDriveHub-420 „Somewhere you are less likely to be Atheist” - No, somewhere you are more likely to be Discriminated as an atheist. „Religious wars are only 10% and it’s mostly Muslim.” - Christian holy wars were still destroying great cities, like Jerusalem, plundering all wealth and often g***ciding all populations.
1:10 the brain is a weird thing and people could randomly have a big personality change or learn a new language after stroke no matter how much they knew
Isn't the "learn a new language" thing just a historical misconception? As far as I can tell people had strokes or other forms of neurological damage and thus their ability to speak suffered. Others then thought that they were speaking in a foreign language, while it just was gibberish.
Alr let me debunk some of this bs. “most murderous people in history were not religious” That is because they came in a time where more people lived. If there were more people living say 500 years ago of course the number would change. Also saying that Hitler was an atheist is BS because even reading into the article itself says that “He also criticized atheism.[5]” “Science only deals with the physical world, and God is outside that natural world” Maybe but he sent his son down to earth, meaning that at least some part of him existed in the physical world, but we haven’t seen that since antiquity, and at most we can prove that he exists, there is a religion named after him and that he beefed with Romans and Jews like Eminem beefs with mumble rappers. “We deserve bad things to happen to us” Then why are people who have done very little other than exist be conquered by others? Look at Poland ever since the partitions. What have they done? At most they built an impressive empire for the standards of the time, yet they get conquered by their neighbours and disappear from the map for more than 100 years and meanwhile germany, Russia, and Austria was just shrunk. Is life unfair? Yes, I am not denying that. But does allowing the poles to be gassed by the thousands and meanwhile the countries that oppressed them get minor border adjustments sound like a good idea? “He can be glorified in defeating it.” Why do you need your populace to glorify you in such a convoluted way? There is a much simpler option: just control the minds of everyone to make them Christian. Saves lives, saves time, saves Jerusalem from being destroyed for the 69420th time. “Romantic experiences can cause brain chemicals, and it doesn’t mean your wife isn’t real” Yeah… no she isn’t. “People who have had nde’s and drug trips say they are different” Ok why are they taking drugs, and also the person never mentioned NDE’s so that point is moot. “Faith just means trust.” I guess that means I have none at all as someone overly paranoid. And you also missed one I have. “If there is a god why is there a need for more than one way to go against that? For example, any religion with multiple gods. Those already exist, why would an atheist patch exist? Most likely you’d be going to hell if those who believe not only In Christianity, but any abrahamic religion are actually correct. Why the need to add extra ways to go against him when you can just choose one and go with it?”
Im an atheist and i agree that some atheist arguements are not very good, but for some of these I wish to counter your arguements, please keep in mind that I wish to only create peaceful debate. 0:49 this is not a sufficient counter agruement to me, just because something is not disprovable does not mean that it may be likely to be true, I could say that a different god controls the universe and argue for its existance simply by saying you can't prove its not real. 1:02 while these occourances may seem strange, it could be that they were exposed to certain information e.g. languages from films or holidays, which they could then make sence of from some event. They may also recall information from such events, even if they entirely forgotten it. 4:23 If you use the arguement that god was uncaused, why could i not then use that same arguement to say that existance was uncaused? 5:36 I would like some elaboration, but if this is because of Adam and Eve, why should we be punished for what they did? And also why does God sometimes not punish those who have done wrong, but sometimes punish those who have not done wrong? 5:46 This is stating that the idea of good has to come from a god, but evolution could explain how morals are naturally formed, because peoples need to help others leads to more surviving humans, causing our race to survive. 6:25 this says that a triumph over evil is greater than a lack of evil, but personally I believe this to be false, to this day there is so much unnecessary pain that leads to many innocents suffering or dieing. I personally belive that a world without evil would be a better than a world with evil which you need to defeat. 7:25 All these analogies are not the same as faith in God, in all of these examples we have reasons to believe these things, e.g. food would not be harmful because if it were there would be legal trouble for that company and it would harm business, or we can believe that your wife loves you due to previous interactions. 8:23 If there is so much disagreement on the bible, why doesn't god clarify? Wouldn't a all knowing god know that we would misinterpret it and clarify? I am open to discussion and I will be respectful. Also I made sure not to comment on arguements that either I didn't understand, didn't have enough knowledge on, or arguements from atheists that even I think are weak.
It all boils down to faith in the end. There is no way to actually prove most of the existential questions plaguing the human mind. An atheist simply refuses to believe any of the theories presented to him, because none of them really make sense. There are holes in every single theory out there, and I can live my life without choosing one. I understand some people have been conditioned into believing certain stories, and this is fine, because stories are a part of the human condition. I also know some people find joy in their faith as some people live in terrible conditions where hope for a good afterlife is all they have. They're simply satisfied with the shortcoming of their theories and chose to have faith, because that makes them happier and more comfortable. I chose not to have faith, because I don't gain anything from it. How the world came to be is not something I can answer and no-one has so far convinced me in any of their arguments. I only believe in science that can be proven, and will not judge if anyone disagrees with me. For if I cannot prove anything myself, who am I to do anything but disagree?
I too only wish for peaceful debate :). 1. You could say a different god controls the universe, but then that's not really an argument for atheism anymore. 2. True, though the whole argument isn't an argument doesn't directly address God's existence, just one aspect of God's impact; also, God doesn't exclusively work in supernatural ways -- most of the Bible is filled with God empowering people to act, or setting into motion perfectly normal things. 3. I would say that you can explain existence with God. You can't exactly presuppose why anything exists which exists in existence, so you must have some necessary thing (i.e. God) to explain it from outside the set of contingent things. 4. We deserve it because humans are inherently evil, because we all have inherited that evilness from our ancestors. Also, God punishes everyone. 5. Morals can absolutely be naturally formed -- for example, "killing Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and disabled people is good for the Aryan race by removing impurities" was a morality that was formed and genuinely believed to be righteous. In Christianity, God's morality is the most-good morality, though we're still not perfect as humans at following it. 6. Triumph over evil is a greater good in the eyes of God than a lack of evil. Also, I personally think evil is necessary for us humans to overcome otherwise we would always be stuck in the same state forever. If there were no evil, no adversity, why would we ever improve ourselves? 7. You have faith that they care about their business or laws/there isn't some interloper poisoning you. You have faith your wife hasn't stopped loving you/hasn't been pretending/whatever. 8. There is far more agreement than disagreement. Whether churches feature icons of God or not, or how the church is organised doesn't really matter to God so much as belief in the trinity, the resurrection, the nature of God, et cetera. Hope you enjoy reading and discussing.
@@emuannihilator5774human are inherently evil?? what??? Weren't we were given free will?? so if i do not use it to do any bad thing, i am still evil?? then how can God be called Just?? Also child cancer cannot be justified because they have not even able to use their free will.....what do u say about that(sry for my bad English)
@@emuannihilator5774you are saying evil is necessary as if we need to celebrate evil , because anytime anything evil happens that allows us to triumph over it..... in that case is Holocaust a necessary thing for the evolution of mankind as a moral being??? Did God intended to allow Holocaust in the first place for us to understand what is good and bad?? If thats the case, How is this God not a genocidal maniac????
@@jeppepuusfaith is a belief in something that cannot be fully proved, so as your truly relationship with your friend or whoever. You don't want to accept God's existence, because being christian is harder than being atheist, so no argument will make you think another way, because all people want easy life and do whatever they want to. So the problem is in you, not in God. The fact is that arguments about faith are useless, because christians know that God is real and atheists know that God is not real. God is about relationships, not about knowledge. You have to try the cake to say if it's tasty or not by yourself, no argument about its taste will make you 100% sure how good or bad it is just for you. Bless you!
Yesterday I saw Jesus skating in Miami Sea Beach...I not an Atheist anymore...Now I have turned to Jesus...We even drank wine together in his Golden Palace and talked about how the Business of Religion Works...Such an Amazing System he described... An Insecure God with one Hand holding a GUN and another hand holding REWARDS at you, creating you WITHOUT your consent and then forcing you into dancing according to his SONG as you have NO other Choice...Sounds like a Loving God to me !!
Counterpoints / general comments 1. Religions are mutually exclusive by nature, you can not simultaneously believe in both the Christian creation story and the Hindu creation story, but you can however see common ground between worldviews in a middle ground, they aren’t mutually exclusive so much as which lens do you choose to look through most 2. Yes, by definition science only studies the natural world, however if a god were to exist it would be considered then part of that natural world, something is only supernatural as long as it remains out of observable (not necessarily by sight) existence 3. Can you provide examples of these possessions and other such events? And can you prove their validity? 4. There are contradictions in the Bible that aren’t explainable in such ways such as with dates, times, or numbers (granted I usually leave that to transcription error, thought I’d add it to the conversation) 5. Not so much a disagreement point as an interesting addition to the “condoning slavery” bit, in my own studies I’ve found there’s no concrete time (to my knowledge) the Bible outright looks down upon homosexuality in and of itself, even though it does however often get shown with directly sinful behavior, still it does support certain things which I don’t agree with in marriage and such 6. I have a few issues with the Atheism Prosperity point, first I don’t believe being heavily Protestant directly affected their prosperity so much as geopolitical factors, secondly, though I don’t necessarily disagree with the idea that prosperity likely led to a rise in atheism I believe this can be also attributed to possible rises in education leading to more secular world view, and finally, China was not atheist for most of its existence and has had a very interesting history with religion, only becoming atheistic in 1949 which was only a move to prevent congregations of individuals which may oppose them. 7. While yes it’s a different question than which religion is right, if there even is a god somewhat supersedes the question as asking which is correct implies one must be. Also, saying we only believe in one religion less is just us saying that not believe a god is just as valid as you believing there is a god, often only an argument used against people saying we must believe in a god (which happens a lot more than some theists seem to think). 8. You cannot simply state that “it makes more sense” for there to be a universal creator without backing it up, because to me it makes objectively less sense than a random event occurring after an infinite time span, in which the event must eventually occur due to the concept of infinite time for it to occur. 9. Just because older scientists, and even some modern scientists, were theistic, it doesn’t mean that science can’t disprove god, in fact with the Big Bang having been observed through seeing its light, many stories of creation are disproven. Whether the scientists who gather the data understand, believe, or agree with the idea that it disproves a theistic worldview doesn’t actually matter so much. A theistic scientist from a time long past doesn’t mean gods and modern science mesh well. 10. I agree the argument that god fills in gaps is dumb, I don’t believe in a god but I say there are things science has yet to fully understand, but a believer would say their god is the reason for all science, a god filling in gaps would only work if you only partially believe that a god exists. 11. I don’t agree with the “we deserve it” idea because if god truly created us from the ground up why instill evil to begin with? I get the whole free will thing but if you make humans naturally vehemently averse to murder and death (and also don’t create genetic abnormalities and conditions in youth to disrupt natural function) then we wouldn’t deserve it, so we deserve it because he made us deserve it, so why make us deserve it? 12. I disagree that evil isn’t a lack of good, neutral is the lack of good or evil, but you can go out of your way to be especially evil, for example murders have been committed without reason, an act of evil where one that simply wasn’t being good would’ve just done nothing. Also if good is only in terms of god how can a person have a different perception of what is good? 13. Someone who does things objectively bad in order solely to glorify themselves even at the expense of others is simply a narcissist. Also, I’d like you to tell a cancer patient that triumph over the cancer was better than just not having cancer. They’d present you with all the unnecessary suffering that just not having cancer would’ve prevented, triumph over evil isn’t better is just means that someone gets the glory of triumph while a bunch of collateral sits in its wake where there could’ve been peace to begin with. 14. Wishful thinking doesn’t necessarily have to be perfect, just better than the current situation, so making contrast with how much we suck now with how perfect an after life is honestly just reinforces the wishfulness of it all. 15. Actually, just because we have a psychological reason doesn’t mean psychological benefit unless you want to say that development into a psychopath is beneficial. The body and mind are quite often cruel to themselves, like giving ourselves fevers we couldn’t hope to survive if only to eradicate one disease. 16. The difference in the romantic experience and the spiritual experience being both explained by chemical phenomena is one is attached directly to something observable, I’d just as happily argue that on a technicality “romance” as concept only exists in our heads just as much as a spiritual experience might. 17. Faith does mean trust however I only have faith in things I’m given reason to have faith in, I trust my food won’t be poisoned because of precedent working as reason to make a logical conclusion that it won’t. The real opposite of logic and reason is blind faith, or faith without reason, like belief that a random, unidentifiable substance is non-toxic without any data on the substance. 18. Evolution doesn’t disprove god so much as it disproves a strictly literal interpretation of the Bible, but then can you trust a strictly literal interpretation of god? 19. I do fully agree a completely omnipotent and omniscient god could have personal relationships with as many things as it damn well pleases, but I feel like he would’ve put us, or something like us on more than one random ass space rock (less a critique and more just me saying that I want mars friends damnit)
@@fatxl_505 A casus belli is an act or an event that either provokes or is used to justify a war. A casus belli involves direct offenses or threats against the nation declaring the war, whereas a casus foederis involves offenses or threats against its ally-usually one bound by a mutual defense pact.
@@fatxl_505I wouldn't say religion causes all wars, however, many wars are started for power and money, sometimes land and control, an example is the war in Ukraine. Putin did not start it because of religion, he wanted to take over Ukraine.
He’s a Calvinist, he doesn’t believe in free will, that mentality makes God seem narcissistic. Watch impact videos ministries, they have better arguments
@@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel Not just narcissistic, but it also makes God into some kind of arbitrary judge who's messing around with His followers (like what's even the point of the gospel, which is supposed to be good news, if God is essentially shooting love/grace arrows at random people at random times?). I hate Calvinist theology, but I love Calvinists, especially when they're actually showing fruits of the Spirit and focusing on the gospel, but their theology will sometimes get in the way of them being kind and loving towards others. Calvinism brings pride and arrogance. It's toxic.
@@I_hate_mortals Free will to choose but only one choice is apparently the *only* correct one while anything is eternal punishment? That's just an illusion of free will
"why did God let evil exist at all" "Because he's glorified in defeating it" that's like saying "I should be rewarded for not stealing something from you when you dropped it"
The contradiction between "god is supernatural, he' works outside of science" and "there have medically documented instances of miracles" is pretty funny.
While I do not think this video was a good one, nor am I even sure that there's a God, I want to point out that I don't think those two particular statements necessarily contradict each other. I've often heard God proposed as a being who, though beyond science in both capabilities and presence (for example existing on some other plane or in some non-physical form), can and does influence the material world by usage of these Godly abilities. For many consider God the creator, with ultimate influence over nature; not of it yet involved in it. You could consider an artist or a computer programmer as an example: not of the thing they create, certainly beyond it, but also with great ability to affect further outcomes should they so wish.
@Claire-tk4do I understand, but anything that affects the physical world can be tested, even if its ultimate origin is unknowable. After all, we don't know why the laws of the universe are what they are, but we can still measure them precisely. Or to use your programmer analogy, the faith-healing claim is that the we live in a programmer's simulation with code that says "if they worship me, I'll sometimes heal them miraculously". That claim is testable, even if the origin of the code isn't. And unsurprisingly, every time it's tested, it ends up being no better than random chance.
I believe in one or more gods but this is just embarrassing. I don’t care if someone is an atheist because it doesn’t affect me and there’s nothing either of us can do to prove or disprove each other. They’re just living their lives and I’m living mine
There is so much to unpack here but first and foremost, I don't think that he knows any atheists There were a few I have never heard atheists say like "Constantine created modern Christianity" I've never heard that one
I agree that the arguments here aren’t very in depth, but they’re not trying to be. All these atheists are acting like they were promised some six hour thesis about philosophy, theology and metaphysics from a learned scholar. In reality it’s just a meme that was probably more so intended to make his fellow Christians laugh than to piss off atheists. A meme that atheists have and do use all the time.
Not just lacking depth but also fallaciously argued and strawmanned to hell lol. This is not the video you want to defend bud. Even Christians are making fun of how bad this video is.
depth cant fix thr flawed reasoning used in this video
and also, it seems pretty pointless for this video to be made in the first place if the arguments it gives arent in 'depth' enough to adequately answer the arguments
@@tyrone687 cope
So all the arguments are so bad and shallow that now it's just light hearted jokes.
"teehee its just a meme/joke brah, you dont have to take us seriously at all teehee."
-ifunny memejacker suffering from reduced gyrification
Also very sad to pin this comment, coward tactics are to be shunned not supported. Be a man and own up to your arguments, however "intentionally" shallow they might be.
"Why do bad things happen?"
"We deserve it"
welp, I'm convinced
It’s not wrong
@@endlessnutella8612 Dude, you're free to hate yourself if you want, but don't assume that I should too.
@@mallninja9805An narcissist thinking they’re better than others
@@mallninja9805 why do bad things happen in Islam is because those are basically hard questions in this test
@@EmperorofChinaItwillgrowlarger Not hating yourself because an invisible man in the sky told you to is narcissism.
I've seen even atheists defend god better...
Oh cut the crap@@btssupreme921
bro what 💀@@btssupreme921
@@btssupreme921mid
Come on, that was pretty funny @@think...you_must
@@MoeSzyslak20 nuh uh
"Why did god let evil exist at all?"
"So he could be glorified in defeating it."
Somehow you just made it worse.
bro really said "to show off"
The best part is that according to Reformed's arguments, humanity will be destroyed when evil is destroyed
Who will glorify God if humanity no longer exists?
Yeah thats villian attitude right there. What. Its bc of our free will obviously
@@matteabrown195 Free will isnt a valid reason either, are you suggesting that god is incapable of creating a reality where free will exists but evil does not? Does free will exist in heaven? If it does this means no evil and free will can coexist, if not then we are losing the supposed greatest gift from god by entering heaven, and becoming robots in the process.
@@calebmills6051
God created Adam and Eve to be perfect and made in his image. But he kept things like the knowledge of good and evil from them (hence the tree).
In this state they could exist freely without temptation to do evil because they were not aware of it.
By eating from the tree humans discovered the nature of evil and temptation (therefore sin). So God kicked them out.
My assumption would be that God saw the fall of man and that the overarching narrative of the Bible is that humans must regain that. Since humanity was made in God's image, it leads me to believe humanity was God's pet project. This journey of redemption therefore must be undertaken willfully by humans to be like God.
I'm an atheist but that's my interpretation of the narrative and how I would sell it if I was Christian
This common Christian image of God as absolute perfection without flaw is contradicted heavily by the Bible itself and several alternative interpretations have been forwarded throughout history. It's pretty interesting really.
2:46 exodus 21:20-21
"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property"
Redeemed zoomer, please explain this verse to me
"It was just indentured servitude. That's totally it even though lev 25: 44-46 makes it very clear that isn't true"
This is from the Old Testament. This shows God's will for progressiveness. For context, slavery was accepted as a normal practice in ancient society (but this is not an endorsement of slavery);, and God was showing people its time for progressiveness by regulating social behavior and justice. Morality progresses through time. The New Testament, particularly through the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, emphasizes love, equality, and justice, which surpass the Old Testament regulations.
Consider yourself for the sake of the argument, that you are a Christian slave. God has put in the bible that your master cannot kill you. This was written to give you hope and survival under harshness of slavery that can happen (or might happen, hopefully never again) to anybody. This verse wasn't really meant for the slave owner, it is meant for the slave. It was written to provide solace that there are laws that offer you, the slave, protection. If the master kills you, they will be punished.
Finally, New Testament obviously does not endorse slavery. "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12) Why become a slave owner? Do you want to become a slave?
@@tigrederd So why did he ban everything else, but not this one thing? Also, the New Testament also allows slavery and the Bible never even hints at slavery being a bad thing, but it does condone it repeatedly
Because there is no point in brainwashing the populous with a religion if it removes your country's economic power i.e. slaves
was an atheist my whole life. but this video, it changed nothing.
who cares
@@jamaicanbambosa god does
Lol
@@jamaicanbambosa you do clearly
Cringe
“Why can’t God destroy evil?”
“He’ll do it eventually.”
“Why can’t he do it now?”
“Because he’ll destroy you.”
“Why does he let bad things happen at all?”
“We deserve it.”
A masterpiece of how not to make an argument
He will destroy you because you are a sinner, and by definition, evil. We deserve it because we sinned.
there's no point in arguing with christians because they didn't arrive to that conclusion through evidence and research, but rather indoctrination, fear mongering, and hope.
@@Eeeeerrttr "we deserve to live in a world of sin because we sinnned. why did god allow the world to be full of sin? idk, something about defeating satan and letting my son die on earth just so that nothing changes anyways and in the end 95% of his creations die anyway, but that doesn't matter, because it's their fault for existing anyway"
@@jan-3356 God did not create the sin, He create free will and PEOPLE chose sin.
@@jan-3356 he loves everyone and gives them a chance to accept, it talks about in the bible how jesus knocks at your door and gives you a chance to open it, its your choice hes not forcing you to make a choice
Why do i get the impression this guy is a Redditor?
reddit accent
Every atheist I’ve ever seen is a redditor
He isn't because he isn't an Atheist
Because you only read the worst there?
Soyjak vs. Gigachad, and probably the accent too
My grandpa died of cancer, he was the nicest man I've ever met
Tell me that he died because he (or I) deserved it yet Pol Pot died peacefully at home in his sleep
Edit: Thank you to all the Christians and athiests being kind, but it is genuinely crazy how many "devout" and "kind" Christians will publicly say that a man they never met deserved to die of cancer, just because he didn't believe in the same god as they did
This comment should be on top.
My condolences
depends on what you think happens after death. if you believe there is a god, there is an afterlife where there is fairness. your grandfather suffered, but then could have experienced a joy of being free from pain. death isn't such a terrible thing if you believe in a god, but if you don't believe in a god, you have to face the cold harsh realities of genetics and nature. he lived a good life, and died a terrible death and that's it? i would say that's more upsetting than to think he was taken by a god who knows how good and loved he was.
it's not about who deserves what, it's how do you choose to live life? bitterly and walking the world alone, or believing there is a higher power beyond this life
So you're saying Pol Pot isn't burning in hell?
@@adonisparts1343 my grandpa was an atheist, so chances are that both of them are there
I'm a Catholic but sometimes *"I don't know"* is the only answer I can give. We don't have all the answers and to think so otherwise would be arrogance.
I am an atheist, and I completely agree. However, that stance seems to completely go against the idea of belief, and particularly against religious truth claims. I would say accepting the unknown exemplifies atheism.
Could you explain how you reconcile these things together?
@@peezieforestem5078 because if we were to simply use our faith as an answer we’d get shut down as that is typically what happens
@@OKC_THUNDER_NUMBER1 I am not sure I understand what you mean. Let me double-check:
are you saying, that you have an answer, which is "faith", but it is not satisfactory for atheists, so you have to resort to "I don't know" as the next best approximation.
Is that correct, or did I misrepresent your stance?
@@peezieforestem5078 it's not that hard to understand, and you sound like you're trying to sound smart. you sound like the human personification of google, you don't have to go that deep into it.
@@bitonic589 I think you're intelligence is so vast, you struggle to comprehend how stupid some people can be. I am certainly not as smart as you are, and I literally do not understand how I can differentiate between these 2 possibilities.
Whatever "depth" you saw in my comment -it's a reflection of your own thought processes - I was just asking a basic clarifying question.
I also don't understand how you can tell what I sound like, or why does it matter (what I sound like)... I hope you're not using text-to-speech, but if you do, of course I would sound as a personification of Google, because Google is literally voicing my text. So, if you don't like how it sounds, try using Siri (from Apple) or Alexa (from Microsoft). (assuming you were using text-to-speech).
Why did god let evil exist in the first place?
-Because he's glorified in defeating it.
Thats pride, the main sin
God can conveniently break the rules whenever he wants. He can lie and even kill people if he wants to.
@@Ffeoli1039 Thats real weird, why does god write the rules, and then break them himself?
@@fallanor3bcz christianity is bs made by humans to control people
@@Ffeoli1039So why should I follow someone who breaks their own rules?
@@treycopeland1368 well. I don't because I don't think God is real. You can do what ever you want
List of the fallacies(35) I found in this video. If I missed one or got one incorrect, feel free to drop a reply!
0:01 - Ad Hominem
0:19 - Red Herring
0:28 - Tu Quoque, Hasty Generalization
0:36 - Red Herring
1:02, 1:21, 1:22 - Appeal to Authority
Also 1:22 - Ad Hominem
1:46 - The argument itself is an Assertion fallacy - the reply is Ad Hominem and Hasty Generalization
1:59 - Argument - Assertion, Reply - Circular, Assertion
2:49 - Special Pleading
3:10 - Red Herring, Special Pleading, Hasty Generalization
3:27 - Special Pleading
3:37 - Hasty Generalization
4:08 - Strawman? (It uses an argument by said Atheist that misconstrues the meaning of "Atheism" but idk)
4:27 - Appeal to Personal Incredulity
4:43 - Red Herring, Hasty Generalization
5:02 - Circular, Non-Sequitur, Begging the Question
5:27 - Appeal to Future
5:31 - False Dilemma
6:24 - Appeal to Consequences
6:33 - Non-Sequitur
6:37 - Begging the Question
6:48 - Red Herring
7:13 - Argumentum ad Lapidum
8:02 - Red Herring
8:13 - Argumentum ad Lapidum
8:23 - Red Herring
Not posting this to be an ass, but firstly as practice for me to listen more carefully for illogical arguments, and hopefully as a reminder to others! I would be interested to see maybe a video this length on 2 or 3 topics, and then take the time to explain them in more depth.
Not sure how 8:02 is a red herring, matter of fact im not sure how most of these would be consider red herring
@@drewww2472I very much could be wrong, but in this one I saw it as avoiding what the argument was actually talking about, Christianity’s spreading through military conquest, by just saying that it used to be illegal. It doesn’t actually address the argument and throws a misleading piece of information in the mix to do so
Missed one, from 0:00 to 9:04 he commits the fallacy of strawmanning
No evidence, so not true, kind of disproved yourself
@@shrekiscool4743what do you gain from not following God?
As a christian, I love how Redeemed Zoomer said "It's zoomin' time" and throws a bunch of crackpot fallacies
as a christian, which fallacies? so i’m not refuting false ideologies
First, it’s a 9 minute video.
Second, name the fallacies or I will have to suggest you’re a progressive pseudo intellectual
@@rawkfist-ih6nk literally just search up "all atheist arguments answered in 10 minutes debunked" its not that hard
@@luca16messa How about you just try actually reading or using critical thinking and not depend on a RUclips video of a religious kid who doesn't know anything about atheism argue about it
@@rawkfist-ih6nk t'was a joke... -_-
the arguments redeemed zoomer layed out aren't really in depth, and the whole video is meant to serve as a joke, honestly some atheists didn't get the memo, but I understand their interpretation
also I wouldn't argue endlessly in the comment section if I were you, it would waste our time,
so we can just agree-to-disagree and move on, yeah?
I can't believe this guy actually tried to pull of the "jarvis, take their argument, depict them as a wojak and reply" strategy
It’s just a meme format you’re looking too deep into it
It is a channel literally called redeemed zoomer. Not sure what you expected.
Bla, bla, bla.
@@davidstanford9933why use a meme format if you are seriously trying to answer "all" atheist arguments? of course some people aren't going to take is seriously.
What is Wojak?
"why did God let evil exist at all"
"Because he's glorified in defeating it"
He who poisoned the river should be praised upon cleansing it?
So what he is saying is that God causes pain and suffering just to make himself look good? How does he not realize that he just made God sound like an evil jerk
@btssupreme921shut up
@@kyle--859Yes. The guy made the Pharao stubborn just so he had an excuse to send the plagues.
atheist L built on maintained false premise
I believe a better answer would be is it really free will if God would stop evil?
4:47 Didn’t Galileo literally get banned by the church for saying the Earth revolves around the sun?
That was an issue of questioning the (Catholic) Church's authority since they saw it as somehow diminishing their place in the universe, it was never a general anti science stance like people say
@@MrToddinoi mean yeah but isn’t that still the church cherrypicking and dismissing science to support their worldview?
@@koiloylo yeah, have you ever read an article discussing a peer reviewed journal? Cherry picking data isn't a new thing, you're right
Pope Urban VIII had been a patron to Galileo and had given him permission to publish on the Copernican theory as long as he treated it as a hypothesis, but after the publication in 1632, the patronage broke due to Galileo placing Urban's arguments for God's omnipotence, which Galileo had been required to include, in the mouth of a simpleton character named "Simplicio" in the book; this caused great offense to the Pope.
What is "banned by the church?" He was excommunicated not because he said that the Earth resolves around the sun, but because he was a jerk about it.
Thank god im an atheist
Thank God I'll never be atheist 😊
Which one?
@@Unknown00432thank the heavens I don’t believe in religion 🙏
@@Sorange_ thank the what?
@@melanieelayaperuma3110 thank the lord, of course
This is gaining a lot of traction.
Unfortunately for zoomer i dont think its the kind he was hoping for.
He is an embaressment for our generation.
@@cheifdonkey149 I think You've got it wrong my man. We aren't judging his arguments in relation to full fledged rebuttals, they just aren't good even by the standard of short quips.
@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714athiests at this day and age that are militant are an embarrasment
@@2007NissanAltima Atheists are normal people. Its culturs who are an embaressment when they have the full access to all human knowlage on the internet.
@@cheifdonkey149 Nobody told him that his video had to be confined to 10 minutes. He could've made a longer and more in-depth video if he chose.
How can anyone fail to debunk an argument even after strawmanning it?
no clue 😹😹
Which are you in reference to?
Looks like your thumbs-up says it all. Perhaps following MindShift would actually shed more light on these questions.
@@tyrone687If he claims to debunk 40 arguments in 9 minutes he better do that.
@@Ralzone the whole point is that he is debunking strawmans so i dont see the issue
“Because he can glorified in defeating it (evil)”
You just described vanity.
As someone who’s believes in God, I’m not buying it either. He wouldn’t be that arrogant.
Edit: *who.
He gave us free choice. Thats why evil exist
Funny how even Christians disagree with his statement. He makes the free will argument look compelling in comparison (despite the god of the bible being omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient and does interact with his creation unlike a deistic god)
Well God is the only one who can defeat evil so the glory really does belongs to Him. Name someone who is holy enough in this world who can. Exactly.
@@arthurjellybeanmorgan2160 God didn't make evil, evil is basically something that opposes God and his will. He did not make evil people, it's the things that we do that are evil. (Which is why the word "sin" can be a verb) Sinning against God is opposing God, which means opposing holiness. And God being the just God that he is, of course we deserve punishment for violating his commandments. But he also knows that as human as we are, imperfect and sinful, there is nothing we can do to reign victory over sin and evil (and its consequences). So that's where his love comes in, where he sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, to atone and intercede in behalf of the beginning to the last of us, so that we may be redeemed from eternal damnation, which supposedly is what we deserve. Jesus lived a perfect sinless life, and he wasn't going round condemning sinners, rather, giving us hope, showing a new perspective of life and a new way to be human.
Also just so you know, Hell isn't just some place with lakes of fires in it, but is also eternal separation from God. Which is why there's eternal suffering, which we chose instead of holiness, because again, that's the consequence of sin, because again, sin causes you to be separated from God, because again, God is holy.
Bro lost an argument against his own straw men💀💀💀
Please note that the skulls are not symbolising laughter but are rather symbols about how this video sucks so much that it makes me wanna die
your username is quite accurate to be fair
@@George-jd6fz I agree very much sir
"they can't agree so we can discard their opinions" what a wild statement
yeah i few of these were a little off. For example, "if you were born into a non christian country, then you wouldnt be christian", he just answered by saying "if you were born into another country, would you be atheist?". I feel like this doesnt really answer the original question. I interpret that question as saying "How is it ok to send people who have never heard of god to hell."
@@Syffx. I have a counter argument I am a Quaker and I think non Christian can go to heaven because we are all familiar with the same light of god, I’m a minority though there is only about 400,000 Quakers main stream Christian would probably rebut it by day isn’t it’s unfair that they won’t be saved but it’s also unfair that anyone ever was saved because we are inherently flawed and don’t deserve it(I don’t completely agree but that’s the majority argument)
I've seen atheists use the same logic to reject religion.
@@philipcollins90I’m not a big fan of Christianity in general, but you Quakers are alright in my book. You guys are one of the only Christian groups who can say you were abolitionists in the U.S. before the stance was mandated by secular culture. I’m sure there are a billion things we’d disagree about, but that aspect of your religion at least deserves to be called out and commended.
@@nathanjohnson9715 thank you
"I depicted myself as the epic based chad and the opposition as the seething wojak so all my points are true"
Yes.
Cry
Mad?
@@pardolagames8994 🤡
Coming from a guy who has a smiley face for an avatar. :)
"Its too late, atheists! I have depicted myself as the gigachad and you as the soyjack!"
"Redeemed Zoomer, what the f*ck are you talking about?"
r/memes
NOOOOOOOOO! But my mom said I am the ultimate Sigma Male 😭
"Secular scholars don't agree on which quotes are fake so we can discard their opinions. It's totally okay that there's 5000 Christian denominations though because they agree on the essentials." Lmao.
This was addressed. We all agree on the essentials
@@CptDawner I'm aware that it was "addressed," did you even read my entire post? The point is the hypocrisy of saying "My enemies don't perfectly agree on everything so we can ignore everything they say, but it's okay that we do that." It's particularly hypocritical because you very much don't agree on the essentials, which is why there's 5000 denominations in the first place. If you agreed, you would only need one.
Do you need to be baptized to get into Heaven? Yes and no.
How should baptism be done? Sprinkling water on the head is enough, but actually its full immersion.
Are you allowed to get a divorce? Yes and no.
Are Christians still beholden to Old Testament laws? Yes and no.
Does Purgatory exist? Yes and no.
How many books are canon? 66 and 73.
Is the bible inerrant and infallible? Yes and no.
Prima scriptura vs. Sola scriptura.
And many other things. Therefore, since none of you agree we can discard your opinions.
@@adeadaxehaha sometimes atheist questions are so easy to answer just difficult to explain, hard to understand
@@JohnDoe-nq5dt First of all, something cannot be "easy to answer" and "difficult to explain" at the same time, those are mutually contradictory. Second of all, I'm not sure what you're even talking about because there are no "atheist questions" in either of my posts. The initial claims from the video are:
1. Secular scholars don't 100% agree on every single thing, therefore all of their opinions are worthless.
2. Christians don't 100% agree on every single thing, but this is fine because they agree on the essentials.
My first post is pointing out that saying both of these things at the same time makes you a hypocrite. CptDawner for some reason decides to reply with something I already mentioned, completely not understanding what I even said apparently, so I decided to point out that "we agree on the essentials" is not even true in the first place by listing various _Christian_ questions that Christians do not agree on. And according to the video's own logic, because this is the case, we can discard all Christian opinions.
Thus, I don't know what "atheist questions" you're talking about. The only question _I_ asked was whether CptDawner actually read my post properly. If you'd like to actually have a proper conversation about the above issue, feel free to actually say something of substance. But popping in with "It's so easy to answer atheist questions, but I'm not going to because actually it's difficult to answer atheist questions," is just a waste of time.
So if Atheists scholars don’t agree on 100% of their points are you saying they would be wrong too?
Saying that God let evil exist because he's glorified in defeating it is like starting your own war and then stopping it and being hailed as a hero, even though you directly caused all the suffering, so really you've just created evil.
well i mean i guess he simply got that wrong lol but in Christian theology, the allowance of evil is intricately tied to the concept of free will, a fundamental aspect of human existence. God's plan involves granting individuals the freedom to make moral choices, even if some choose to engage in wrongdoing. The existence of evil, therefore, stems from the exercise of free will rather than a direct act of God. The redemptive narrative in Christianity underscores the possibility of transformation, forgiveness, and the ultimate triumph over evil through divine intervention and human choices aligned with God's will.
god: "thou shalt feel the gravity of my trolling, let them ready at thee"
literally ☠
the video said, essentially, 'good' is 'in accordance with the nature of God', and 'evil' is 'absence of the nature of God', and therefore God is inherently good
@@clash1505 but evil is not necessary at all for people to be free, if you kill someone and enjoy it that doesn't do anything good for anyone, it's a waste of a human life and there's already countless things one could do to get that same satisfaction that aren't evil... God has created evil either willingly or unwillingly.
Crazy how he mocks the voice of people who sound exactly like him
Crazy how you make fun of him for having genetics and getting mad on a video instead of minding your own business.
@@EclipseIsMyFatherGod gave him those genetics apparently
Not my fault!
@@EclipseIsMyFather if he ain't allowed to comment on a video because its non of his business then why should you be allowed to respond😆
@@EclipseIsMyFather so the guy in the video is also attacking others for having genetics, right?
@@TyroneLangam you're very funny, making fun of people for their beliefs
This video has the energy of a commentary by a Reddit atheist turned tradcath who barely learned anything regarding logical fallacies and reinforcing his beliefs.
I could, as an anti-theistic atheist, off the cuff make a better "debunking" video on atheism than this guy. This video is simply embarassing.
yeah this video in perticular is a stinker, his others are good tho
Name the fallacies lil bro
"Tradcath"
He's a Presbyterian. Do Catholics really just live in your mind rent free, that you just automatically parrot the usual buzzwords without even thinking first
For anyone who's wondering, as of March 14, 2024, the like to dislike is:
31K to....53K !
The staggering part about this is.... Why is the LIKE count so high? 30 k? at 400k views? For THIS nonsense? what the heck?
mad athiests moment
@@SirLumbago
TRUE???
@@SirLumbago mad because... his counter-agrguements are stupid?
Seeing the comments, there is no way 7.5% of viewers liked it
saying triumph over evil is better than no evil is like saying dropping your mug and gluing it back together is better than just not breaking your mug
How unsearchable are His judgments and decisions and how unfathomable and untraceable are His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO HAS BEEN HIS COUNSELOR?
Yeah, I'm not sure where he was getting at with this one.
it almost sounds like God wasn't satisfied with a perfect world so he created evil (this allowing billions to die and suffer) so he could have some petty form of glory. Not a god I would want to worship.
NO evil = no free will.
Only having one option (to do good) is the same has having no options. No freedom.
For humans to be truly free, they must have not only seen evil, but experienced it to truly understand its nature and in order to truly appreciate the good.
The Buddha began his path to enlightened because he went outside of his palace and saw the evils of poverty, disease, and crime. If he stayed inside his palace his whole life, and didn't experience any evil, he would never have evolved into an enlightened being who understands and appreciates the nature of the good.
Its the same with Christianity. Had God not let Adam and Eve stray, they would've remain ignorant, and non-appreciative of what good is.
@@categories5066 God is omnipotent, so he could've created a world where simultaneously no evil can exist and people are free. Similarly to how he created a world where people have free will despite the fact that he knows ahead of time which actions they will take.
as a christian i find your response to the problem of evil disturbing and flat out wrong factually speaking
Ok, why?
Because he literally just tries to use doublespeak to ask “well what is evil? It’s not a physical thing so…let’s move on to the next dumb question I think I’m answering.”
@@nate_mccallisteri am an atheist, and i agree that it is a bad response, but it is not doublespeak. what he's arguing is that "good" is god's will, like a vase whose mold conforms to the appearance and functions of god's nature. then "evil" is just the distortion of god's will and nature, so a vase whose appearance and function is distorted.
but i'd argue it is a bad argument. since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function, then it is impossible to distinguish god's will from man's will. man is as much creator of worth as god, so either 1. god has given up all will to man, and therefore his judgement has become irrelevant (thus god does not exist in practice) or 2. god does not exist at all. if we cannot prove 1 then 2 proves itself either way.
He's a Calvinist. This is the best answer they've got.
@@lucca3113 This is terrible reasoning.
"since man himself, built on the image of god, creates appearance and function"
God created all things, including man. The created thing is not the creator. A man can program a computer to create an image, but that doesn't mean that "man has given up all will to the computer... and thus man doesn't exist in practice". It doesn't mean that man doesn't exist at all.
I'll do you one better:
"Stroke causes death"
"but only 5.2% of people die because of stroke"
so truexdd
😂😂😂
"Cancer Kills"
"But that's only a minority of people. Checkmate, Cancer Supporters, it doesn't exist."
im an atheist who was thinking about converting to religion, you reminded me why that would be a bad idea, thx dude :)
@@WorldWideWeb-df3ey i was actually not joking, thanks for the info
@@hertzzgames Dude's a Calvinist. The free will argument goes out the window in his book, which makes God look like a kid killing ants with a magnifying glass. "Why does evil exist?" Because if it did not, free will wouldn't either.
@@user-dt2hp9wy5q if God is all powerful then he could make a world with free will but no evil
i’m sorry man but my religion tells me that I have to get upset over you being an athiest blah blah on no you’re get bad blah blah listen man I don’t know if it’s even possible for me to say this right now but my religion basically forces me to say something about you minding your business and if I had the ability to ignore you I would man something something read the Bible I don’t even wanna be bothering you i’m sorry if I did
original comment that absolutly no one had already wrote
“Why can’t God destroy evil?”
“He’ll do it eventually.”
“Why can’t he do it now?”
“Because he’ll destroy you.”
“Why does he let bad things happen at all?”
“We deserve it.”
The 2 month old baby that got diagnosed with stage 6 cancer:
I less lazy answer would be "the world is full of carcinogens in the food and environment because greedy people in power prioritize profit over health".
A second, closer to the root answer would be; the world isn't our final destination, so realistically that baby just suffered for 2 months and then got to heaven way earlier than we will. Good for him. Living is hard.
True Christians do not fear death.
@@MicroplaysMC cancer is not necessarily caused by cancerogenes. It can just happen randomly
@@georgeuferov1497 your point?
@@MicroplaysMCHow did free will cause those Earthquakes in Turkey that killed tens of thousands of people?
necessary evil, for the greatest possible good
the exact reason that's so, is something like contrast
this world will always be minus-y
You picked the most brain dead arguments to go against and you gave yourself the Chad Wojack. 11/10 great debate
he picked the ones that can be explained in a brief 10 minute video. if you actually care then you can easily find more in depth explanations of the more complicated things on youtube
🤦♂️
Ok I’m a Hindu and I believe in god fully; however I don’t seem to understand what his explanation is for why god exists. You can’t prove by converses because there are an infinite amount of cases. He didn’t elaborate at all about the science question. For example, I could ask why the Bible has the creation date of the earth so incorrect? He never proves god isn’t in the natural world using mathematics. He simply states it. As long as he can’t do the math, he can’t be correct.@@thug588
He picked some of the most brain-dead arguments AND STILL somehow managed to make a fool of himself. This is one of my favorite videos on the planet
@@thug588 He didn't pick a single argument for atheism though.
"Why do bad things happen?"
"We deserve it"
Okay tell that to the little girl that got raped did she deserve it?, the family's mother who was murdered? Do they deserve to live their life without their mother?
How about the INNOCENT victims of all the serial killers in human history? Did they deserve to die?
psychology has shown that we tend to believe in just world, where justice generally prevails and people are eventually compensated for fortunes and misfortunes
but this also means that we're prone to thinking that the unfortunate people must have done something to deserve their fate
when study participants are asked to explain why there are poor people, raped victims, cancer patients, traffic accidents' survivors, people with congenital birth defects, natural disasters' victims
they twisted facts, or invented reasons that people caused their misfortunes themselves... rather just being victims
research suggests that this belief is a coping mechanism that derives from the belief in just world
You think we dont sin against him EVERYDAY?? Ever since the downfall of mankind, we have been sinning. God backed up a bit to make room because WE DIDNT CHOOSE TO OBEY HIM. And with that... Evil and sin ruled the world, along with the evil of man putting it on little girls. It is not Gods fault, its ours.
It is by the sin of man that those happen. They had free will, free will which then they used it for evil. They sinned against that girl by their OWN WILL, not Gods.
@@weebwubb9569 how can you say "you love me" If in your To Do list is written that you planned to lock me up and torture me for eternity when you were rejected by me? the Godman you're promoting is too childish, he needs to grow up and be the real man
@@weebwubb9569 I studied psychology and it's easy for me to see that the concept of jealous Godman, that you Must worship one Godman
derives from man's incapability of handling rejection from a girl, and also handling rejection from many things in life
being rejected by others is quite difficult for men to handle, the concept of jealous Godman is just the manifestation of it. let's lock all the rejectors up in hell, for eternity
several men that I rejected back in my college days were a gazillion better than the Godman you're promoting, they didn't proceed to lock me up and torture me for eternity🤭🤭🤭
@@weebwubb9569 God is only powerful and perfect because he keeps on and on and on creating imperfect things that are less powerful than him, what an insecure man with beard
I must thank Redeemed Zoomer for this video. Without it I wouldn't have had all the laughs watching the countless atheist response videos. This one video has been a gold mine for atheist creators and has provided me hours of entertainment. Thank you Redeemed Zoomer!
You know a video is good when you have already seen 7 people debunk it and there are still other interesting ways to debunk it that you haven't seen yet
@@kyle--859could you recommend me those atheist response videos?
@@pythondrink I'll name some who debunked it. Alex O'Connor, Professor Plink, Rationality Rules, and Sir Sic. These are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
the fact that there are countless debunk videos on this one says enough about the arguements made by redeemed zoomer :)
Best to be gentle as he is probably a teenager
"Why did god let evil exist at all?"
"Because he's glorified in defeating it"
When I heard this I remembered the dialogue of Senator Armstrong in Metal Gear Rising-
"I'm using war as a business to get elected"
Lmao
I mean, it makes no sense. Is God so thin-skinned that he needs to be glorified? And if he does, he can't think of a better way to do it than to allow evil to flourish, and people to suffer as a result?
Well, simply put, if you are choosing God you are choosing righteousness over the evil world. But you don't have to choose what's right.
@@fredo3161 which the masses are already doing
@@Alright281 right. They don't like being told they are wrong or even challenged.
The whole video has the energy of "It's too late atheist, I have drawn you as the virgin and me as the chad!"
listen to the argument. just because you dont want to doesnt make him wrong. Jesus even said this would happen. Jesus said the world would hate us for believing him.
@@X__223 I have listened to the arguments. He uses logical fallacies.
probably because the atheist arguments are stupid?
Fallacy fallacy
@@deejaythedeejay Nah
The whole point of logical fallacies is that if they are the only thing supporting an argument, it falls apart. This in itself is not a fallacy and my comment was about those.
Notice how almost all his answers are questions💀
Yes
It really isn’t most of you atheist don’t use your brain and cry in the comments if they don’t understand a simple thing😂😂. Remember this is a 10 minute video kid😂
Exactly..
This is the greatest argument for atheism I've ever seen
I was looking for actually good arguments to challenge my atheism, and after watching this video, I found none. The amazingly massive amount of logical fallcies and wordplay in this video is absolutely breathtaking.
are you a scientist? Or just an egoist who doesnt want to be dependent by something he doesnt understand. We all feel mighty and strong alone untill the day comes, the day when we die
@@doctormomentos2514 He's right tho, the video is full of logical fallacies
@@Bulletproof682 can you tell me what are the fallacies please, i am very interested
@@doctormomentos2514 I can offer you something even better, and while my comment sounds sarcastical, it actually is not, so I ask you to take it seriously.
Watch a video on the different types of logical fallacies. Alternatively, you can google them or ask Chat GPT to give you a list of them with a short explanation and example for each of them.
I believe that this is important for everyone to do because afterwards, it is almost like you can view the world in a different way; you will start to see logical fallacies everywhere, as people like to use them to win an argument or make a point when they're out of ideas. It will help you see which politicans are lying to get your vote and which are more trustable. If you're ever in an argument with someone, being aware of logical fallacies will massively help you. You may also notice how you unintentionally use logical fallacies from time to time without knowing it. After being aware of them, discussions will become easier and you may avoid to fall for lies or false arguments.
However, as to not ignore your initial request; I think the very first logical fallacy is that atheists are basicly depicted as soy boys/virgins, thus the content creator is already trying to downplay them. I believe it falls under the ad hominem fallacy.
@@doctormomentos2514 the detection of logical fallacies is something learnt and taught to people as early as highschool. I'll give you a few timestamps in this video, and let you train yourself on their identification!
0:00 to 9:04
As a Christian, I feel this piece falls a little short on the explanation side of things. While I (inner circle, regular Bible reader) can understand the meaning and context to most of the answers to each argument, I don't think the majority of "answers" really answered anything. It often just posited an opposing point, without sufficient supporting evidence. The answers with quotes from Church fathers and Bible quotes were the best responses. Every answer to each of these questions should tie back to those things in some way.
The questions itself where also strawmanned and condensed into one sentence, so answering them wouldn't even have been usefull
I feel like the answers were good but he rushed them for the video. If he further explained his point it would be much better
@@mr72126 The answers weren't even answers to the already strawmanned argzments he presendted
I'm not entirely sure that this was meant to bring atheists to God. This could be a building ground for us Christians to work upon and expand, just as a basic idea. However, I do agree with you. But if he had explained each one in depth it would have been days long. God bless!
A christian presenting arguments without supporting evidence??? Never.
been an Atheist all my life and thanks to this video
Im still an Atheist
Frame one soyjak is a bold argumentative strategy not gonna lie.
I find it interesting how in this video, in response to the "Evolution disproves God" argument, you say that there have been religious thinkers in the past who have concluded that the Genesis story is not literal, but in a more recent video about heresies, you say that anyone claiming that the bible is not literal follows "liberalism" which is a heresy. So in order to answer the athiest argument, you had to use a heretical one. Again, very interesting.
As much as I love when people point out one's hypocrisy, I can't help but feel like even he doesn't believe or listen to the shit he says. Like, has he made an updated video, or responded to any of the arguments these comment bring up? He's either stoking the fire or, as his name suggests, a young kid who is struggling to make sense of our confusing world, and doing a poor job of it. Hell, I feel like the christian keyboard warriors here have a far more, albiet still flawed, understanding of this topic.
I feel like this should be a red flag to believers. Saying that Genesis is metaphorical just means that they're admitting they can't take the Bible at its word.
@@PatrickWDunne2 Mark 3:8 ‘With the lord one day is like a thousand years’
@@thejunglecommando Still not anywhere near enough time.
@@improvgm8663 it say “like” which infers it is a simile and we will never know the true time perspective of God but your opinion is your’s
I love how he felt the need to lie about Hitler being atheist. If you have to edit the Wikipedia article, you know you’re in the wrong. Hitler was a critic of atheism💀
The religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler, dictator of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, have been a matter of debate. During the beginning of his political life, Hitler publicly expressed favorable opinions towards Christianity, but later totally rejected it. Most historians describe his later posture as adversarial to organized Christianity and established Christian denominations. Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church; his father, Alois Hitler, was a free-thinker and skeptical of the Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived. According to John Willard Toland, witnesses indicate that Hitler’s confirmation sponsor had to "drag the words out of him … almost as though the whole confirmation was repugnant to him."
It's clear that Hitler manipulated Christian beliefs to support his worldview. As the above commenter mentioned, there is really nothing in Hitler's life that indicates a practicing Christian. Even per Wikipedia, and it's cited sources, "Hitler and the Nazi party promoted "Positive Christianity",[41] a movement which rejected most traditional Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[42][43] " this is certainly NOT Christianity, and is absolutely heretical. The moment he rejects Jesus' divinity, which is a tenet of all basically all true Christian forms, with their beliefs outlined in the Nicene Creed (council of Nicea), then you cannot consider them as "Christians".
Now, to claim Hitler as "atheist" is ambiguous. But again, you can see he would schrewdly approach religion, and use what fits best, he was pragmatic.
Here's a quote for you:
"BBC historian Laurence Rees characterises Hitler's relationship to religion as one of opportunism and pragmatism: "his relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[44]"
Truly ask yourself, was Hitler a deist? Very well could have been.
Was he secular? Agnostic or atheist, that just manipulated religious teaching and customs to get what he wanted? Very well could have. But we don't know, clearly. But with his apparent disdain for Catholicism and other aspects of Judeo-Christian culture, it seems like this may have been the case.
And to end off on this quote:
"The historian Geoffrey Blainey wrote that Hitler courted and benefited from fear among German Christians of militant Communist atheism.[189] "The aggressive spread of atheism in the Soviet Union alarmed many German Christians", wrote Blainey, and with the National Socialists becoming the main opponent of Communism in Germany: "[Hitler] himself saw Christianity as a temporary ally, for in his opinion 'one is either a Christian or a German'. To be both was impossible."[189]"
@@clash1505 none of that says he was atheist just that he was being skeptical about his religion
Hitler was some weird pagan occultist or some shit, but Nazi Germany was mostly secular, they didn't really give a shit about your religion. Hell, they didn't even care about the Jewish religion, just the Jewish ethnicity.
@@YTDariuS-my6dgSo he certainly wasnt religious. Maybe he was agnostic, but the point stands.
REDEEMED ZOOMER Try not to contradict himself for 0.01 seconds challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
"Because he's glorified in defeating it" does not seem like a greater good than not letting evil exist in the first place.
Denying Free will is the Greatest Evil,
With Free will, Comes Evil
You can choose to do Evil or Not, because, In not Letting Evil Happen in the first place, It denys us Free will, which inturn, makes us robot-like
@@D4rksliderGod could give us free will but make it against our nature to commit evil.
@@D4rkslider There are a bunch of evil things you don't want to do.
Do you not have free will?
Free will is not free want.
@@D4rkslider Honestly, if I and my fellow humans had to go about life as robots in order to avoid a lifetime of suffering, I would be pretty okay with that. Plus, if God couldn't create humans without creating evil, why make humans at all? To quote Lord Farquaad, "Some of you may die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make." God's completely fine with humans suffering and dying as long as the ones that are still alive worship him. Not a good look in my personal opinion, but hey, you do you
@@queenraeisel6651 There is also another way to frame that last sentence. "God is not completely fine with ANY of His creation perishing as a result of sin 'evil'. However, He is justified in creating man (for fellowship) in spite of the many that will reject Him.
It may not be fully satisfactory on an emotional level, but it's not an injustice for God to create men who would freely chose to reject Him & forgo that fellowship he would have with those who would embrace & love Him.
"it's over atheist, I've depicted you as a soyjak and myself as a Chad"
This may be one of the worst videos I have ever seen.
Like his point on god being the uncaused causer is so hilarious. He just asserts it makes more sense for god to be an uncaused causer than the universe because he already agrees with it 😂
@@colinschmitt6571well I mean OBVIOUSLY. I mean it just HAS to be. Haha. Duh.
@@colinschmitt6571smartest atheist:
@@mignonne_ great argument! You really got me!
@@colinschmitt6571 i sure did
“This wasn’t serious. It was just for the memes!” - lazyboned Zoomer.
This is such a powerful video. It has truly brought communities together. Atheists, Christians, Muslims. We all unite, and in many comment threads I can see love, reassurance, and support for our fellow man. To keep hope, to love one another. And we all do this... in spite of what an absolute trash fire this video is.
I assume you made this for school, or for a teacher, or for a community. I don't blame you. Get your grades, get your paycheck, do what you have to do and keep strong... but once you hit an old enough age to comfortably assume you can reasonably stand on your own two feet..? Set out upon the world. Learn as much as you can. Put ALL of your original considerations about how things SHOULD be behind, and learn like a child would in these new communities. Don't go WITH your fellowship, don't go WITH a missionary team, don't let them contextualize everything you see and learn into what you should believe. Just learn it for yourself. Breathe through it, and rip the band-aid off. I had to, once. You can do it.
I like this comment. Underrated.
That was beautiful 😢
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE IN ATHEISM?
This should be top comment
Man. That was a lot of words to say basically nothing.
Every christian should watch this as an example of how not to defend your religious beliefs
Or take a good long look at the core principles of their religion
True
Why though? I mean yeah it was incredibly condenses but he still provided the basic foundation of both the questions and the arguments which can help people explore and debate by using this video and it's points as a foundation to educate themselves.
@@trapidtrap2612 In some questions he goes more in depth and actually explains in somewhat well. In others, he gives it to the viewer's faith and that's valid since that's part of religion anyway. But for most of the questions, he doesn't answer it and gives something completely far off. So that he doesn't lose to the strawman's arguments, he gives an answer that confuses the strawman and the audience. He relies a lot of fallacies to try to _"make a point"_
_And as a cherry on top, he has drawn himself as the based Chad while the cringe atheist is a soy Wojak. Truly one of the most convincing pieces for Christianity of all time_
Watching this was just so frustrating. As a former atheist, I don't think lot of theists understand that many of those in Gen Z know who Jesus is, and admire Jesus, its just the church and its people.
Oh dear, most of these are answering weak arguments with weaker arguments
fr i thought exactly the same, bro picked the weakest arguments and still failed to counter most of them. At this point most christians are just lying to themselves, they`re ignoring arguments and saying they won debates were they clearly lost
Bro we'll just see on judgement day@@mirfielkeinnameein8496
His bit about comparing Scandinavia to Communist China and saying that the former was rooted in Christianity was pretty funny. Other than the blatant cherry picking, it refutes nothing and makes the implication that Scandinavia would be in the same place as China without Christianity. It's a bit sad that people in the comments are taking him dead seriously.
Half his arguments are basically just "nuh uh" lol
@@xSimonTanit would or maybe even worse.
as an atheist i guarantee i can make a better debate for why god is real.
especially when it comes to this:
“Why can’t God destroy evil?”
because who is to say what is evil and what isn't? dying, suffering or anything else we percieve as negative might be for the greater good, maybe we are not capable of understanding beyond ''this feels good, this feels bad'' and so on. Nothing is good or bad, shit i realise that while im trying to defend gods existant im kinda going against it since god created hell for bad people and heaven for good people, well i guess its impossible to defend something made up by the church to make extra money and manipulate people n gain political power
“Why does he let bad things happen at all?”
we as humans are not capable of seeing beyond our own suffering, or others suffering, only god is able to see the bigger picture, in the end we cannot feel good in absence of suffering.
-Why god allowed evil
-To glorify himself in banishing it!
***
-Mommy! I chopped puppy's legs of, so i can feed him and treat his wounds!
-Oh, you such a glorious saviour, pumpkin!
This seems made for people who already agree with you and I get the feeling many of them would have cringed through this video regardless.
This was made for biased Christians who wanted their beliefs to be approved by somebody for them to feel good about themselves, like all of these "Debunking Atheism😎" style videos.
I am a Christian and I DEFINITELY cringed because he took complex questions that have real and legitimate answers and reduced those to quick answer gotcha orthodox based Chad bring the West back styled memes. He’s not winning any Christians over just as the top 10 Christian argument videos published by atheists aren’t winning any deconverts.
I cringed at the "atheist argument wheel".
@@junkaccount2535 Retorts.
1) Matt Dillahunty: ruclips.net/video/itdHICIjuKY/видео.html
2) Alex O'Connor: ruclips.net/video/emn-iSm1oHc/видео.html
3) Mindshift (w/ Brandon): ruclips.net/video/A6xfYmrDdu0/видео.html
4) Professor Plink: (Part 1) ruclips.net/video/O-EgjqP0QCM/видео.html & (Part 2) ruclips.net/video/Ty_J2UKIKgY/видео.html
Naw I liked it. no body I’d run into would take it much deeper than he’s taking it. the average joe isn’t a biblical scholar ya know
The reddit mod Atheist voice he used when asking the atheism questions was completely unnecessary, he already sounds like that 🤣
i couldn't even tell he was putting onna voice...
sunny what are you doing watching christian debaters
@@dwightk.schrute7213 Yeah we should stay in our circle jerks while you should stay in yours
@@freshcarrot2253 lol that was an inside joke because of nameless's profile pic.
there's nothing wrong with observing the other side and offering honest criticism...
@@dwightk.schrute7213 Oh im sorry I didn't get it lol
Here's a question: Why does god make things a sin? Not why is it a sin, but why did he choose that thing to be a sin?
These arguments are worse then my math skills 💀
Bro should become a philosophy teacher 💀
quirky and funny
I watched "Logical fallacies explained" right before this video. Thanks for the exercise.
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youtube algorithm giving you a pop quiz!
LMAO
@@trevrockrock16 RUclips doesn't allow me to write essays that'll address all these 40 points and all the logical fallacies he's commiting.
@@trevrockrock16 we all here to argue bud
Honestly I think a better way to answer the “religion causes wars/evil” question is not to say non religious wars/evil happen more often, but that no matter your religious belief we are all intrinsically evil, and that religious people are not exempt.
While you have a valid point yourself I do not think it qualifies to replace the original point, but could be layered onto it after the original is stated for reinforcement. I say this because numbers are very powerful and when you have a strong statistic to illustrate in favor of your stance you should absolutely use it (and have your source ready to share, which they will definitely ask for). 3% of wars being caused by Christianity means the rest of the world is the cause for 97%. That is an extremely condemning number and is impossible to justify by an atheist.
@@johnwicksfoknpencil That is if you only see the world as Christian vs the rest of the world, that 97% is made up of billions of people, other nations, countries, and religions. If the 97% is divided up and percentages divided accordingly each group could say the same, now I dont know the % of Islam, but say its also 3% then they could say the same. But I would say it is much more complex. Statistics is a complex topic, while the main reason for most of the wars in history might not be cited as religious, the governments involved might be religious, and the reasons for their political stances might be religious...I'm not saying it is. After all only 20% of the world identifies as non-believers... I believe, Take America in the Middle East, the reasons will not be cited as Christian or religious, but are committed to by a Christian nation(arguably at least). Now I dont know the stats cited here, but I doubt the remainder is secular or atheist causes necessarily. It's probably political, nationalistic, etc. This might be a black-and-white fallacy where just because it's not (directly) Christian doesn't mean it's automatically atheistic causes. You wanting to pin the rest of the 97% solely on atheists is like me pinning the American civil war on Christianity, just because most people involved were Christian (dont know if they actually were just making a point) as the war itself has nothing to with that, so that would be ridiculous, it's the same the other way around. Just because a war is not because of Christianity doesn't automatically make it because of atheism, or even if it is between atheists doesn't mean it's because of atheism. There are a plethora of reasons and stances. The main point atheists make regarding this I believe, is that Christian or religious people aren't inherently more moral or good people, not necessarily (although some atheists probably hold this point) that all wars are because of religion.
Additionally wars mostly happen either to gain resources or influence. To say "oh it was religion" misses the mark to me as an excuse would be used to start it. Honestly, even the crusades (at least some of them) were simply to stop the aggressive expansion of muslim powers into Europe.
Atheists don't believe people are intrinsically evil. In fact, many don't believe evil even exists- but rather that morality is mostly gray. If you put a man who had never had any other human contact alone in a forest, they would simply do what is necessary to survive.
@@panaroid9636 It is Christians and the rest of the world. You are either a Christian or you are not. The point stands as it originally did.
"Well, to be fair, I never said they were GOOD answers"
You really made yourself the Chad wojak for this vid💀
It's videos like these where I truly miss the thumbs down visibility.
Currently at 15k
@@thealbinotadpole2878 oh!
17k now @@Jedicake
@@dontspikemydrink9382Yep. Funny that Atheists try to portray themselves as the edgy ones but will have tantrums whenever someone criticizes them.
@@PeruvianPotato no we don't.
"Because he'd have to destroy you" is absolutely not a counter argument to "Why can't God destroy evil now?" If God can destroy evil but doesn't because I'm alive he has my full permission to send me to hell on the spot, that's just a basic trolley problem.
God wants you to be saved from evil and from hell, thats why he wouldnt come for us right now, hes waiting.
Also he has prophecys to make true
God never sends anyone to hell bro, do some research...
@@raphdm3776someone has to. I figure Romans 9 19-23 argues in favor of it. Some are made and are set to be damned in the final day
Then no one would have a chance. Not even in Hell!
Every one would go too..
Can’t you put 3 seconds into researching Christian basic beliefs
This guy is the definition of saying hes good because he labeled himself as a chad and everyone else as a soyjack.
Keep whining about it without providing a single counterarguments.
@@Max_Skogr oh sorry, didn't know this was a debate class, you fucking cookie.
@@Max_Skogrhe don’t need to buddy
that's literally what god is as well. he's done terrible things but he's still seen as good, because god is god and god cant do wrong and he works in mysterious ways, so mysterious that its indistinguishable from him not existing at all.
@@SmitePlayz_ so is the guy making the video god or?
Alex O'Connor's response video is excellent
After watching it I came here to read the comments lol
@@kal22222what's the title i can't seem to find it
@@icecreamguy7154 Alex O'Connor Every Argument For Atheism
@@user-tb5sq6jm2yI care 🥺
I had to stop watching immediately with the claim "Hitler is an Atheist."
"It's true that Hitler's public statements opposing atheism should not be given too much weight, since they obviously served Hitler's political purposes to tar political opponents. However, in his private monologues, he likewise rejected atheism, providing further evidence that this was indeed his personal conviction. Perhaps even more significantly, he had complete faith that Providence had chosen him to lead the German people to greatness.
It's clear through his personal monologues that he rejected Atheism, but while confessing faith in an omnipotent being of some sort, however, Hitler denied we could know anything about it.
Source: Hitler's Religion by Richard Weikart (History Professor at California State University)
I knew I read something like that but didn't have the info at hand when I was typing out a response, thanks for the sources.
That one was hilariously stupid, even if Hitler wasn't, most nazis were catholic.
Mao Zedong was an atheist
I really don't know, I'm reading a book about polish hero Pilecki who volunteered to Auschwitz nazi camp as a spy for polish ressistance and the West and in the concentration camp he asked sometimes Polish people for their religion, which surprised me, because that means in the 30' not all the Poles were religious, so in Germany also could be like that.
Hitler believed in some strange form of paganism.
"Correlation doesn't equal causation but Scandinavia is so prosperous because of generations of Protestants." Nice, that's great
And here I thought it was vast natural resources and selling them to both sides during two world wars
Nope. It’s the religion.
Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century? The vast natural resources is a fine counter but that second one is stupid and you know it.
@@deplorabledegenerate2630
_> Because they weren't prosperous until the 20th century?_
They weren't, buddy. They were quite poor.
Do you think they invented eating surstromming because they were prosperous? 😆
Selling herring and taxing the trade between Russia and Europe through the Baltic sea were their primary sources of income before 20th century.
E.g. before WW1, Sweden was deeply in dept. After WW1, Sweden was swimming in gold.
@@deplorabledegenerate2630 Grab a history book, please.
well... thats a load of bullshit if ive ever seen 1
He strawmanned the opposition and still lost. That is honestly impressive
The amount of logical fallacies in this single video is absolutely hilarious. Good job bro
Where?
@@jvoges look at the rest of the comment section I guess
The worst part about it is he didn't even answer the entire roulette
That's the best part!
@@xuvial1391 "That's the neat thing!"
The entire thing for my fellow lazy ppl
1) I believe in science so that means god can't be real
2)I was raised Christian and I have trauma (they said not to sin)
3) look here is a violent Bible verse that nobody ever noticed before
4) there is contradictions in the Bible (that the Church has never noticed)
5) SKY DADDY
6) if God is real why don't I have a gg yet?
7) I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho)
8) your god did a genocide in the flood he big meanie
Timestamp: 0:06
Honestly, some of those were better arguments than any he talked about in the vid
@@PsychologicalHorrorEnthusiast Don't even get me started on "I don't need a god to know murder is bad (don't ask about abortion tho)"
?????
I love how like half of these are internally self contradictory 😂
"God is the reason everything happens"
"God can only create good, not evil"
"Evil is the lack of good"
So how does Evil exist?
That is like asking “The heater can only make heat so how is there cold?” A good thing doesn’t necessarily imply an incorruptible thing, those are two different attributes.
@PatrickWDunne Isaiah 45:7 God created light and darkness
@@PatrickWDunne reading this just makes me think you're a monkey. The fact that you can't understand that free will exists even though you had the thought to type the comment and not God is actually absurd.
@@GodsChosenONE676 Exactly! Sin doesn't exist by coincidence, but by design.
If god has to destroy me to get rid of evil. Then why is suicide bad since you're technically getting rid of evil in this world by destroying yourself.
Who said that? Your comment trips me out
If the Secular scholars not agreeing on which Psalms are made up makes THEIR opinions invalid, then Christians not agreeing on how to worship God properly makes THEM invalid.
I don't believe Christianity is invalid, but I do not believe in God, I never will, and I do not want your opinions shoved in my face.
I don't understand how Christians can say the existence of God unfalsifiable but also not admit that their belief is not fully based on faith
I don't think you understand what 'faith' means. Christians have faith that God will be there for them and help them and have faith that He'll answer their prayers, not faith that He exists at all.
“I don’t understand” is not an argument
@@emuannihilator5774 you need to believe something exists to have faith in them
@@lukebaker5135 how can Christians say that the existence of God in unfalsifiable but also say that their belief in God's existence isn't based on faith
@@godiebeardcuck
"Gospels have false quotes"
"Thats right but we don't know which so we choose to trust all of it"
yeah right bro
here’s a bag of candy, some of it is poisoned but you don’t know which ones!!! normal people: don’t eat any of it, this guy: shoves the whole thing in his mouth
3:56 What I understood from this part: "The most prosperous countries are atheist, not because atheism leads to prosperity, but because prosperity leads to atheism, since if the Earth is a Heaven, who needs God, right?"
As a 4 year old with no logical thinking, your answers are indeed really intelligent.
‘If you were born someone else you wouldn’t be a Christian’ isn’t trying to dismiss your beliefs by arguing they’re meaningless because they’re shaped by environment. It’s arguing that the main factor in whether you got to heaven or hell is where you were born, which clearly isn’t moral or fair
bro this guy has never died and he can never know who goes to hell or heaven. Dont believe evrything that you are told
Whether God is good is a completely different issue from whether or not God exists. When people start acknowledging their Creator, *then* we can have a discussion about how nice He is.
@@christopherbravo1813 what nonsense.
Imagine this scenario:
You’re only allowed to have an opinion at the election if you’re a party member, and if you’re not a party member you get tortured for eternity.
Sounds like “free will” 😂
Who says God has to be fair in showing grace? What’s the definition of the word grace?
@@christopherbravo1813 Im just here for someone to prove he exists without bible cases, psychosis or reports that have no ability to be fact checked in even the most shallow ways.
The argument isn't "Your geographical location influenced your belief, therefore your belief is false." The reason someone holds a belief has nothing to do with whether or not it is true.
The argument is "If a god exists and reveals themself to all people, we would not expect geographical location to be the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Location _is_ the primary indicator for religious affiliation. Therefore such a god does not exist."
First of all, location is not the primary indicator for religious affiliation; there are a multitude of factors that may influence what someone believes, but it all comes down to what someone chooses to believe. If it wasn't so, we wouldn't have individuals or minority groups who go against the majority culture. Presenting one factor as the primary indicator for religious affiliation neglects the complexity of reasons for why people believe what they believe.
Second, you're presenting a false dilemma: either everyone believes the same thing, or God doesn't exist. You're forgetting a third option. Yes, God has chosen to reveal Himself to all nations, either through Scripture, the human conscience, or the natural world. However, mankind still has the free will to reject God and create their own religions, because even though they don't want anything to do with the one true and living God, they cannot get rid of their need to believe in something.
It would be akin to arguing that because there is a real Dollar, no counterfeit dollars could ever exist, but since we have counterfeit dollars, therefore there is no real Dollar. If anything, the existence of counterfeit dollars underscores the necessity for a real Dollar, because if there was no real Dollar, how would you know if it was counterfeit?
You don't even need to use God to prove this. I bet that most people know that eating fast food is unhealthy and will kill you slowly if eaten excessively, yet they still do it. The problem is not that people don't have knowledge, but rather that you need to explain why people act a certain way in spite of what they know.
TL;DR - False dilemma; even if God made Himself known 100%, people could still reject Him because of free will.
@@PppPlyr2 it absolutely IS the primary indicator. Almost all muslims are born or are recently decended from majority muslim countries, and the same goes for almost all Christians being born in the west.
@@Daniel-vl8zmSaying it's the primary factor doesn't account for the religious differences WITHIN the members of the various denominations, but of course leave it to atheists to generalize to the degree that individuals stop existing and only groups remain.
@@Daniel-vl8zm See? You yourself disprove your own position; you say "almost all Muslims" (emphasis on "almost all"). If location was the primary factor, wouldn't you expect 100% allegiance to whatever religion is prominent in that area?
As an aside, even if location was the primary factor, what does that have to do with whether or not that religion is true or not? Truth remains true regardless of location, so you cannot assess the truthfulness of a religion based on where it came from.
Also, I didn't see a response to my second point.
@@PppPlyr2you clearly don’t understand what “primary” means and that’s ok. No, location being the primary factor does NOT imply 100% at all, it literally means “almost all”. It wouldn’t be “primary” factor then, it would be the “only” factor
How can someone be so confident and so wrong at the same time
The funny thing about the "can God contradict itself" is that plenty of atheistic scholars reject that argument as well, as they properly understand the definition of omnipotence.
Another good response to the military conquest argument is the amount of times Christianity has spread to a new country or culture by just one missionary who was later killed, but the people converted anyway.
So 40 of the worst arguments answer with weak counter arguments, nice
B-but he's the chad and they're the soyboy!! He can't be wrong!
Yeah, and a simple critically thinking man can answer all that. (I did, won’t show you because those people won’t understand)
Seeing a lot of straw arguments from the atheists
I understand that discussions about the existence of God can be challenging, and perspectives can vary. One specific point you mentioned was about the weakness of the arguments presented. Could you provide an example of a specific argument that you found weak? I'd like to explore it further and see if we can delve into the specifics. Keep in mind that the complexity of theological discussions often involves subjective interpretations, and what might seem weak to one person could be compelling to another."
@@HyperDriveHub-420 „Somewhere you are less likely to be Atheist” - No, somewhere you are more likely to be Discriminated as an atheist.
„Religious wars are only 10% and it’s mostly Muslim.” - Christian holy wars were still destroying great cities, like Jerusalem, plundering all wealth and often g***ciding all populations.
"documented cases of people with demonic possession" yea i think it's enough
Why don't go you do it yourself then? Who knows what you'll find! Doesn't it sound exciting??
he literally provided a book with no factual evidence of demons or demonic possessions.
"documented cases of people with demonic possession" saying that is the perfect way to lose your chair at the scientific discussion.
@@user-tb5sq6jm2ymaybe if you stop saying physcotic breakdowns and schizophrenia as "demonic possessions" instead of mental illness issues than no
1:10 the brain is a weird thing and people could randomly have a big personality change or learn a new language after stroke no matter how much they knew
Isn't the "learn a new language" thing just a historical misconception?
As far as I can tell people had strokes or other forms of neurological damage and thus their ability to speak suffered. Others then thought that they were speaking in a foreign language, while it just was gibberish.
Alr let me debunk some of this bs.
“most murderous people in history were not religious”
That is because they came in a time where more people lived. If there were more people living say 500 years ago of course the number would change. Also saying that Hitler was an atheist is BS because even reading into the article itself says that “He also criticized atheism.[5]”
“Science only deals with the physical world, and God is outside that natural world”
Maybe but he sent his son down to earth, meaning that at least some part of him existed in the physical world, but we haven’t seen that since antiquity, and at most we can prove that he exists, there is a religion named after him and that he beefed with Romans and Jews like Eminem beefs with mumble rappers.
“We deserve bad things to happen to us”
Then why are people who have done very little other than exist be conquered by others? Look at Poland ever since the partitions. What have they done? At most they built an impressive empire for the standards of the time, yet they get conquered by their neighbours and disappear from the map for more than 100 years and meanwhile germany, Russia, and Austria was just shrunk. Is life unfair? Yes, I am not denying that. But does allowing the poles to be gassed by the thousands and meanwhile the countries that oppressed them get minor border adjustments sound like a good idea?
“He can be glorified in defeating it.”
Why do you need your populace to glorify you in such a convoluted way? There is a much simpler option: just control the minds of everyone to make them Christian. Saves lives, saves time, saves Jerusalem from being destroyed for the 69420th time.
“Romantic experiences can cause brain chemicals, and it doesn’t mean your wife isn’t real”
Yeah… no she isn’t.
“People who have had nde’s and drug trips say they are different”
Ok why are they taking drugs, and also the person never mentioned NDE’s so that point is moot.
“Faith just means trust.”
I guess that means I have none at all as someone overly paranoid.
And you also missed one I have.
“If there is a god why is there a need for more than one way to go against that? For example, any religion with multiple gods. Those already exist, why would an atheist patch exist? Most likely you’d be going to hell if those who believe not only In Christianity, but any abrahamic religion are actually correct. Why the need to add extra ways to go against him when you can just choose one and go with it?”
Im an atheist and i agree that some atheist arguements are not very good, but for some of these I wish to counter your arguements, please keep in mind that I wish to only create peaceful debate.
0:49 this is not a sufficient counter agruement to me, just because something is not disprovable does not mean that it may be likely to be true, I could say that a different god controls the universe and argue for its existance simply by saying you can't prove its not real.
1:02 while these occourances may seem strange, it could be that they were exposed to certain information e.g. languages from films or holidays, which they could then make sence of from some event. They may also recall information from such events, even if they entirely forgotten it.
4:23 If you use the arguement that god was uncaused, why could i not then use that same arguement to say that existance was uncaused?
5:36 I would like some elaboration, but if this is because of Adam and Eve, why should we be punished for what they did? And also why does God sometimes not punish those who have done wrong, but sometimes punish those who have not done wrong?
5:46 This is stating that the idea of good has to come from a god, but evolution could explain how morals are naturally formed, because peoples need to help others leads to more surviving humans, causing our race to survive.
6:25 this says that a triumph over evil is greater than a lack of evil, but personally I believe this to be false, to this day there is so much unnecessary pain that leads to many innocents suffering or dieing. I personally belive that a world without evil would be a better than a world with evil which you need to defeat.
7:25 All these analogies are not the same as faith in God, in all of these examples we have reasons to believe these things, e.g. food would not be harmful because if it were there would be legal trouble for that company and it would harm business, or we can believe that your wife loves you due to previous interactions.
8:23 If there is so much disagreement on the bible, why doesn't god clarify? Wouldn't a all knowing god know that we would misinterpret it and clarify?
I am open to discussion and I will be respectful. Also I made sure not to comment on arguements that either I didn't understand, didn't have enough knowledge on, or arguements from atheists that even I think are weak.
It all boils down to faith in the end. There is no way to actually prove most of the existential questions plaguing the human mind. An atheist simply refuses to believe any of the theories presented to him, because none of them really make sense. There are holes in every single theory out there, and I can live my life without choosing one. I understand some people have been conditioned into believing certain stories, and this is fine, because stories are a part of the human condition. I also know some people find joy in their faith as some people live in terrible conditions where hope for a good afterlife is all they have. They're simply satisfied with the shortcoming of their theories and chose to have faith, because that makes them happier and more comfortable.
I chose not to have faith, because I don't gain anything from it. How the world came to be is not something I can answer and no-one has so far convinced me in any of their arguments. I only believe in science that can be proven, and will not judge if anyone disagrees with me. For if I cannot prove anything myself, who am I to do anything but disagree?
I too only wish for peaceful debate :).
1. You could say a different god controls the universe, but then that's not really an argument for atheism anymore.
2. True, though the whole argument isn't an argument doesn't directly address God's existence, just one aspect of God's impact; also, God doesn't exclusively work in supernatural ways -- most of the Bible is filled with God empowering people to act, or setting into motion perfectly normal things.
3. I would say that you can explain existence with God. You can't exactly presuppose why anything exists which exists in existence, so you must have some necessary thing (i.e. God) to explain it from outside the set of contingent things.
4. We deserve it because humans are inherently evil, because we all have inherited that evilness from our ancestors. Also, God punishes everyone.
5. Morals can absolutely be naturally formed -- for example, "killing Jews and homosexuals and gypsies and disabled people is good for the Aryan race by removing impurities" was a morality that was formed and genuinely believed to be righteous. In Christianity, God's morality is the most-good morality, though we're still not perfect as humans at following it.
6. Triumph over evil is a greater good in the eyes of God than a lack of evil. Also, I personally think evil is necessary for us humans to overcome otherwise we would always be stuck in the same state forever. If there were no evil, no adversity, why would we ever improve ourselves?
7. You have faith that they care about their business or laws/there isn't some interloper poisoning you. You have faith your wife hasn't stopped loving you/hasn't been pretending/whatever.
8. There is far more agreement than disagreement. Whether churches feature icons of God or not, or how the church is organised doesn't really matter to God so much as belief in the trinity, the resurrection, the nature of God, et cetera.
Hope you enjoy reading and discussing.
@@emuannihilator5774human are inherently evil?? what??? Weren't we were given free will?? so if i do not use it to do any bad thing, i am still evil?? then how can God be called Just?? Also child cancer cannot be justified because they have not even able to use their free will.....what do u say about that(sry for my bad English)
@@emuannihilator5774you are saying evil is necessary as if we need to celebrate evil , because anytime anything evil happens that allows us to triumph over it..... in that case is Holocaust a necessary thing for the evolution of mankind as a moral being??? Did God intended to allow Holocaust in the first place for us to understand what is good and bad?? If thats the case, How is this God not a genocidal maniac????
@@jeppepuusfaith is a belief in something that cannot be fully proved, so as your truly relationship with your friend or whoever. You don't want to accept God's existence, because being christian is harder than being atheist, so no argument will make you think another way, because all people want easy life and do whatever they want to. So the problem is in you, not in God. The fact is that arguments about faith are useless, because christians know that God is real and atheists know that God is not real. God is about relationships, not about knowledge. You have to try the cake to say if it's tasty or not by yourself, no argument about its taste will make you 100% sure how good or bad it is just for you. Bless you!
I have depicted YOU as the soyjack and ME as the chad. Checkmate, atheists!
OK, Cletus 🙄
@@SundaeExpresslmao did you like your own comment
@@littlemoth4956 No but you did.
@@SundaeExpresslol liked his own comment 20 times
@@niyah000 Yeah, imagine if there were such a thing as sock accounts that could make that possible! Oh... wait
Yesterday I saw Jesus skating in Miami Sea Beach...I not an Atheist anymore...Now I have turned to Jesus...We even drank wine together in his Golden Palace and talked about how the Business of Religion Works...Such an Amazing System he described...
An Insecure God with one Hand holding a GUN and another hand holding REWARDS at you, creating you WITHOUT your consent and then forcing you into dancing according to his SONG as you have NO other Choice...Sounds like a Loving God to me !!
Damn you sound like an absolute blast at parties
how come the bible says that the earth is flat when it clearly isn't
Where tf does it say that
Counterpoints / general comments
1. Religions are mutually exclusive by nature, you can not simultaneously believe in both the Christian creation story and the Hindu creation story, but you can however see common ground between worldviews in a middle ground, they aren’t mutually exclusive so much as which lens do you choose to look through most
2. Yes, by definition science only studies the natural world, however if a god were to exist it would be considered then part of that natural world, something is only supernatural as long as it remains out of observable (not necessarily by sight) existence
3. Can you provide examples of these possessions and other such events? And can you prove their validity?
4. There are contradictions in the Bible that aren’t explainable in such ways such as with dates, times, or numbers (granted I usually leave that to transcription error, thought I’d add it to the conversation)
5. Not so much a disagreement point as an interesting addition to the “condoning slavery” bit, in my own studies I’ve found there’s no concrete time (to my knowledge) the Bible outright looks down upon homosexuality in and of itself, even though it does however often get shown with directly sinful behavior, still it does support certain things which I don’t agree with in marriage and such
6. I have a few issues with the Atheism Prosperity point, first I don’t believe being heavily Protestant directly affected their prosperity so much as geopolitical factors, secondly, though I don’t necessarily disagree with the idea that prosperity likely led to a rise in atheism I believe this can be also attributed to possible rises in education leading to more secular world view, and finally, China was not atheist for most of its existence and has had a very interesting history with religion, only becoming atheistic in 1949 which was only a move to prevent congregations of individuals which may oppose them.
7. While yes it’s a different question than which religion is right, if there even is a god somewhat supersedes the question as asking which is correct implies one must be. Also, saying we only believe in one religion less is just us saying that not believe a god is just as valid as you believing there is a god, often only an argument used against people saying we must believe in a god (which happens a lot more than some theists seem to think).
8. You cannot simply state that “it makes more sense” for there to be a universal creator without backing it up, because to me it makes objectively less sense than a random event occurring after an infinite time span, in which the event must eventually occur due to the concept of infinite time for it to occur.
9. Just because older scientists, and even some modern scientists, were theistic, it doesn’t mean that science can’t disprove god, in fact with the Big Bang having been observed through seeing its light, many stories of creation are disproven. Whether the scientists who gather the data understand, believe, or agree with the idea that it disproves a theistic worldview doesn’t actually matter so much. A theistic scientist from a time long past doesn’t mean gods and modern science mesh well.
10. I agree the argument that god fills in gaps is dumb, I don’t believe in a god but I say there are things science has yet to fully understand, but a believer would say their god is the reason for all science, a god filling in gaps would only work if you only partially believe that a god exists.
11. I don’t agree with the “we deserve it” idea because if god truly created us from the ground up why instill evil to begin with? I get the whole free will thing but if you make humans naturally vehemently averse to murder and death (and also don’t create genetic abnormalities and conditions in youth to disrupt natural function) then we wouldn’t deserve it, so we deserve it because he made us deserve it, so why make us deserve it?
12. I disagree that evil isn’t a lack of good, neutral is the lack of good or evil, but you can go out of your way to be especially evil, for example murders have been committed without reason, an act of evil where one that simply wasn’t being good would’ve just done nothing. Also if good is only in terms of god how can a person have a different perception of what is good?
13. Someone who does things objectively bad in order solely to glorify themselves even at the expense of others is simply a narcissist. Also, I’d like you to tell a cancer patient that triumph over the cancer was better than just not having cancer. They’d present you with all the unnecessary suffering that just not having cancer would’ve prevented, triumph over evil isn’t better is just means that someone gets the glory of triumph while a bunch of collateral sits in its wake where there could’ve been peace to begin with.
14. Wishful thinking doesn’t necessarily have to be perfect, just better than the current situation, so making contrast with how much we suck now with how perfect an after life is honestly just reinforces the wishfulness of it all.
15. Actually, just because we have a psychological reason doesn’t mean psychological benefit unless you want to say that development into a psychopath is beneficial. The body and mind are quite often cruel to themselves, like giving ourselves fevers we couldn’t hope to survive if only to eradicate one disease.
16. The difference in the romantic experience and the spiritual experience being both explained by chemical phenomena is one is attached directly to something observable, I’d just as happily argue that on a technicality “romance” as concept only exists in our heads just as much as a spiritual experience might.
17. Faith does mean trust however I only have faith in things I’m given reason to have faith in, I trust my food won’t be poisoned because of precedent working as reason to make a logical conclusion that it won’t. The real opposite of logic and reason is blind faith, or faith without reason, like belief that a random, unidentifiable substance is non-toxic without any data on the substance.
18. Evolution doesn’t disprove god so much as it disproves a strictly literal interpretation of the Bible, but then can you trust a strictly literal interpretation of god?
19. I do fully agree a completely omnipotent and omniscient god could have personal relationships with as many things as it damn well pleases, but I feel like he would’ve put us, or something like us on more than one random ass space rock (less a critique and more just me saying that I want mars friends damnit)
Oh yeah, forgot to add, I think you mean only 7% were caused *primarily* by religious reasons, which I still think is underrepresenting the percentage
Excellent answers 🙏
The religion most of the time was used as a casus belli. This is becouse the percentage is so low
@@fatxl_505 A casus belli is an act or an event that either provokes or is used to justify a war. A casus belli involves direct offenses or threats against the nation declaring the war, whereas a casus foederis involves offenses or threats against its ally-usually one bound by a mutual defense pact.
@@fatxl_505I wouldn't say religion causes all wars, however, many wars are started for power and money, sometimes land and control, an example is the war in Ukraine. Putin did not start it because of religion, he wanted to take over Ukraine.
6:27
So the perfect being has a hero complex, great
God gives you a free will to embrace evil or holiness.
He’s a Calvinist, he doesn’t believe in free will, that mentality makes God seem narcissistic. Watch impact videos ministries, they have better arguments
then god is an idiot that bases poeples lives around circumstances@@I_hate_mortals
@@UnidentifiedFlyingSquirrel Not just narcissistic, but it also makes God into some kind of arbitrary judge who's messing around with His followers (like what's even the point of the gospel, which is supposed to be good news, if God is essentially shooting love/grace arrows at random people at random times?). I hate Calvinist theology, but I love Calvinists, especially when they're actually showing fruits of the Spirit and focusing on the gospel, but their theology will sometimes get in the way of them being kind and loving towards others. Calvinism brings pride and arrogance. It's toxic.
@@I_hate_mortals Free will to choose but only one choice is apparently the *only* correct one while anything is eternal punishment? That's just an illusion of free will
pretty sure the deaf and blind your god has supposedly saved could make a better argument when they were fully incapacitated
"why did God let evil exist at all"
"Because he's glorified in defeating it"
that's like saying "I should be rewarded for not stealing something from you when you dropped it"
The contradiction between "god is supernatural, he' works outside of science" and "there have medically documented instances of miracles" is pretty funny.
Either he interacts with reality and is thus "testable," or he exists outside of reality and is thus untestable. They can't have it both ways.
While I do not think this video was a good one, nor am I even sure that there's a God, I want to point out that I don't think those two particular statements necessarily contradict each other.
I've often heard God proposed as a being who, though beyond science in both capabilities and presence (for example existing on some other plane or in some non-physical form), can and does influence the material world by usage of these Godly abilities. For many consider God the creator, with ultimate influence over nature; not of it yet involved in it. You could consider an artist or a computer programmer as an example: not of the thing they create, certainly beyond it, but also with great ability to affect further outcomes should they so wish.
@@OttoBinks He is testiable, look into philosophy
@Claire-tk4do I understand, but anything that affects the physical world can be tested, even if its ultimate origin is unknowable. After all, we don't know why the laws of the universe are what they are, but we can still measure them precisely.
Or to use your programmer analogy, the faith-healing claim is that the we live in a programmer's simulation with code that says "if they worship me, I'll sometimes heal them miraculously". That claim is testable, even if the origin of the code isn't. And unsurprisingly, every time it's tested, it ends up being no better than random chance.
"works outside of science" while also acting through "natural processes"
This is a new level of brain rot 💀💀💀
? Disprove things shown in this video and back up your evidence
For example, everything apparently relates back to the Bible. And who wrote the bible? Random people who claimed that they were special.@@MsShaza123
whyyyy
@@MsShaza123 There's a video by mindshift disproving those
I believe in one or more gods but this is just embarrassing. I don’t care if someone is an atheist because it doesn’t affect me and there’s nothing either of us can do to prove or disprove each other. They’re just living their lives and I’m living mine
There is so much to unpack here but first and foremost, I don't think that he knows any atheists
There were a few I have never heard atheists say like "Constantine created modern Christianity" I've never heard that one
He probably hasn't ever talked to an Atheist face to face. His parents wouldn't give him permission.
"If you were born somewhere else you wouldn't be atheist"
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