@@outofthepods Me and my twin sister just lost our beloved grandmother too! So very sorry for your loss! Our hearts go out to you! Granny was everything to us too... This is really hard! It'll get easier with time though... Hopefully...Much love to you! Daria & Maria
I was really glad to see somebody talk about the bad sides of military and mentioning palestine on tv, I was so pissed off though at his take on condoms that was crazy like wtf Ramses
Especially in this channel. Imagine one of the women talked like Ramses. They (esp Deepti) would be like, "I understand that due to her background, she has strong feelings against the military, and it's great that she is voicing this out. Maybe her delivery could be a bit better. But I can see the pain and trauma she and her family must have gone through as a result of our military." And if Marissa was the man, they would have said, "I hate how he was flip flopping on his own views about the military. You're a grown man who's served in it and chose to come out of it. Have a backbone and say what you really feel. Like make up your f'ing mind!" I like this podcast. But I can't ignore the frustration I feel from all the double standards.
If a woman didn’t know how to cook pasta she would be villanized. Nick is a loser, clearly his parents didn’t put effort into raising him so sadly now Hannah has to and that doesn’t look pretty all the time.
@@KittyKat-zo1ue There are plenty of “modern” women who don’t cook, and they are praised for being progressive and not boxing themselves in to a traditional stereotype. If a man on this show scolded a woman for not knowing how to cook and told her to sit down, he would get instant hate, and be labeled abusive, misogynist, and evil. Not knowing how to make pasta doesn’t make anyone a loser. How ridiculous…
@@victoriaemerson-ds8du Bffr, they are not praised. You’re either delusional or being willfully obtuse. A man would only be scolded for saying that on this show because majority of the viewers are women. Men say that all the time on twitter and TikTok and they still have a huge following of other men. And what makes Nick a loser is that he doesn’t know how to do anything because his parents babied him and he does not seem eager to learn. He’s going to think she’s nagging him, when she’s literally just raising him because his parents refused to.
@@KittyKat-zo1ue I think a woman might be seen in a poor light if she acted like she didn't care about helping to cook while her spouse is asking her to help; however, Nick showed (at least to Hannah) some interest to cook with her and didn't shut her down immediately; he possibly also felt embarassed for his lack of knowledge -- and this is what I think warms people to him as a person in that scene and makes people feel sorry for him.
The thing with Nick living with his parents is a cultural matter. As we saw his mom is Cuban, and here in the Caribbean is normal to stay at our parents house until we get married. Our family dynamic is different. Regards from Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴❤❤❤❤
Agreed!! 👏 People can live independently and be COMPLETELY incompetent at life and incapable of caring for themselves or anyone else. And people can live with their parents and be COMPLETELY capable of taking care of themselves.
I’m a Brit, and my husband is Colombian. I met him when I was travelling in Colombia and he still lived with his Mum. This meant that I got the awesome experience of living with her too. It was one of the most special experiences of my life. I put on like 6 kilos from all the delicious food she was constantly making me. I don’t judge him for still being at home with his Mum at the time because both culture and circumstances was the reason for that and if anything, I got to see his love and respect for her, which I’ve not often seen when dating British guys.
I think people are more concerned that Nick has done no steps to being an adult. You can live with your parents house and still be a full responsible adult. Instead he has never bought groceries or cooked in his life. He only pays his car bills. He was very uncomfortable when it came to talking about finances. Was he expecting his wife to move into the basement and be on his parents phone plan.
Whatever Ramses ends up being, that doesn’t excuse Marissa’s mom’s behaviour. She said nothing intuitive and all of it was projection from her own issues in life. I hate when our 20/20 view of people means we give credit to people who were out of line after the fact. Like their behaviour is ok because others let us down later on. No definitely not.
I wholeheartedly agree with you and was actually quite disappointed with Natalie's + Deepti's perspectives on this. They even failed to mention Marissa's mom calling her own daughter a b****, and threatening to cut off Ramses' genitals. Her mom was so crude and none of her "tough takes" were really for anyone's benefit, regardless of how good or bad Ramses is. In fact, up to that point, Ramses hadn't said/done anything offensive, so justifying Marissa's mom's behavior because of how one feels about him after all is said and done doesn't absolve her of her terrible persona.
Exactly! Her behavior was rude and disgusting. There’s no excuse for that behavior. Also, there’s no need to call Ramses a bad person because he doesn’t share the same views.
Can we talk about how genuine, honest and good Hannah’s parents seemed? And the way they called her out on the way she spoke to and about him and was so brutally honest. Even saying she was acting so stressed and not at peace. And that she couldn’t nitpic on him like that.
The same parents who cut her off at 18? Sure they are so genuine, honest and good. I'd be mad, mean and require a lot from others too if my parents taught me to be hyper-independent by leaving me to figure out life on my own and then be really soft and gentle with a stranger. Hannah is how she is because of them, no one can convince me otherwise. She's been taught that hard work and having it together is praise worthy behaviour and what makes you valuable. Hope watching herself will led her to therapy and much needed healing.
Ramses was 1000% wrong on the bc conversation but I do feel like everyone is having a very US centric response to his view of the military. If you were born in a country that was heavily destabilized by the US military it’s very hard to feel compassionate for people who voluntarily sign up for that. I totally agree that she was 18 and to me that’s still a kid making a decision that their brains can’t possibly fully comprehend the consequences of. I don’t think it’s fair to completely negate the fact that there are generations of peoples lives have been ruined by imperialism specifically from the US. Ramses is literally from Venezuela and the US was very involved in the destabilization of the country.
I don't think people in the usa can't understand the meaning of his state of mind, as Venezuelan the military (not only the ones for usa but our military) was the reason over 6 millions were force to leave our home. At 18 years old you are able to see tv, read books, Google information about what You are about to sign for
@@josmairafontaines2376the reason Venezuelans leave is because of the corruption of the leaders and the terrible economy. The us is not directly responsible.. I really hate this take I’m seeing on the military. Thank God for our soldiers because I can’t do what they do.
I understand Natalie's pessimism regarding the Golden Couple and concern over Garrett's "only have dated white women in the past line", but given that he spent the last 7 years working 70 hours a week or taking vacations spear fishing, I got the sense that he's hasn't dated many women and was more telling her as a fact that he's only dated white women rather than that he prefers to date white women. They are also both thinkers so him being concerned she was keeping more things from him until she explained why she didn't want to reveal her Mom's name seemed reasonable. Since he didn't push about it and even suggested that she shouldn't say when she became insecure and considered just saying it is part of the reason I am giving him more of a benefit of the doubt. Great podcast as always!
Her humor is NOT a gen z thing. In my whole gen z life I've never seen someone joke like that and not be able to take it back. Plus she's just overly cruel, most people aren't like that
My issue with Hannah is that she can certainly dish it out but she can't take it back. You don't get to make mean jokes about other people and not be able to take it when people push back with the same energy. That's just bullying.
Learning Marissa is ex mormon explained everything for me. I'm also exmo and I swore up and down while I was in the church that I wanted to be a stay at home mom and to have a lot of kids. I did the stay at home mom thing and was miserable. I finally allowed myself to explore what I really wanted when I left the church and now have a career I love and don't want more than the two kids I have. The church can convince you that what you want is what they tell you is the right thing to want. Marissa's mom seems like she doesn't know all the growth Marissa has been experiencing. Being home with her kids might've been something Marissa said she wanted in the past but doesn't want now. I also sense she's a recovering people pleaser.
THIS! I had to pause and rewind to make sure that’s what she had said. Like… sorry about what?! Him being caught? Yeah, he was sorry about that part too 😅😅😅😅😅
@@nunyabusiness3516 I think both women's reactions were on extreme opposite ends. From too understanding to being too stuck on it. Just thinking she should've asked more about it and moved with caution.
While what Stephen did was terrible - Monica also treated him horribly and constantly criticized everything he did. I don’t think either of them really liked each other
Yes, no one brings up the fact that Monica stopped having sex with him at some point. I think she was already realizing they might not be suited for each other.
@@DaylaS Anyone, at anytime, for any reason can withdraw their consent for sex. Her decision to withdraw her consent is not relevant, so why should we bring it up?!? It was still his decision to, instead of having a mature conversation, to cheat. Something he has done in the past.
I hope Nick breaks up with Hannah because if they spend any more time together Hannah is going to turn Nick as mean as she is and he seems like a kind person so it would be a shame.
Also as a non-American, Ramses seemed totally in line to me in the military conversation - he is open minded and willing to listen, but he isn’t going to be a supporter of the methods of the US military given his background. for someone to keep saying “I support our troops” after admitting that they are aware the military unnecessarily destroys societies and wrongfully uses violence and other tools of oppression to dominate - and then they say they don’t regret it - that would be very challenging. She needs to understand and accept that he comes from a culture that has suffered because of the system she chose to be a part of, enact, and perpetuate. It seems they should have gotten more into the weeds on this topic in the pods, and is a difference enough that it's likely they shouldn't be together. The contraception stuff is abhorrent though and makes me lose 110% of any respect I had for him.
@@pearlosibuso the American culture is being blind to human suffering and loss of their life? And people must understand their way of thinking because it's "culture"? 😂
Ramses hates American Imperialism so much. Question. Why are you here? Go back to Venezuela or move to whatever government you find palatable. Yep, I said it. I said it.
I’m a leftist, but I have encountered people even further left than me, like Ramses, who have a complete blindspot when it comes to having empathy for someone right in front of them. They only want to spew their own viewpoints, but nobody will ever change their mind when you berate them like that
I think it's selfish to enter LIB Washington DC when she always knew she would want to relocate to Sandiego, she should have rather applied for the LIB in that city/ state
I think the pods are a two edged sword. It is great for transparency and vulnerability but it also allows for deceit, manipulation, people saying or omitting vital Information just to win the other person when they know they have competition with other love interests. Everyone needs intuition in the pods because emotions are really heightened. Could be wrong but I've seen every single episode from every country and thus made this conclusion.
As a non-American I see Ramses completely differently. He's stating his opinions with pride and not apologizing for them. Many people agree with him on American politics and military actions. The condom thing is immature though... but Marissa has BIG issues to figure out and every man should run far away from her.
His condom/bc comments were weird af though - maybe it was the edit but he showed very little sympathy for marissa not wanting to be on hormonal birth control
Ramsis is not wrong about US military. I too wont date a nan who is pro US military. The amount of bloodshed they have caused globally is gory. People still supporting it and benefiting from it should realize they are profiting from these killings.
I didn’t like Ramses that much until he stated his “political” view about the military. And it’s rare to get a conversation that’s positively bringing up Palestine and I love how he didn’t back down. He shouldn’t have shamed her but I agree with him 100% and the BC comments are not a big deal people are acting like they’ve never had this convo before.
i mean i don’t even feel like he really shamed her cause especially given the fact that the most well documented genocide is happening rn and no one in our country is blinking an eye when it comes to our role in this i get being like “yeah i’d break up with you if rejoined.” Also Marissa seems pretty smart and that she’s been grappling with that thinking about that herself but having so many friends from the military it’s probably harder to have conversations as real as the ones she’s having with Ramses cause they’re so pro military. If anyone i was talking to was like “yeahhhh i guess the military had done some bad things” i’d have the same tone as Ramses cause millions of people’s lives ending using our tax dollars infuriates me
@@swirlyferlyI agree! I love that his conversation has forced so many people who have stayed away from talking about Palestine to kind of have a take. And their opinions have made it clear who’s side they are really on. It’s disappointing to see a podcast with young POC and they still don’t get it.
@@saraa475 I think the issue w Palestine & Gaza has its own set of facts that don't directly relate to his life and/or her military career, although obviously all US military is blanketed under the same blame/credit (depending on your view or how much you believe the US & our media propaganda), regardless of what country we are involved with - whether they be adversaries or allies. The idea that if you are worried about the 43,000+ people who have died as a result of the Israeli force's 10/7 response, does not mean that you are an anti-Semite. At least I don't believe so. Personally, what I find frustrating is that many people are protesting what the Israelis are doing but they don't really know what they're talking about. I'm not saying that's everyone - I personally think it's horrific how many people have died over there, but going from protesting Israel's response to 10/7/23 to actually being 'pro Hamas' is a huge & incredibly insane jump that I think very very few protesters would actually support - IF they tried to look at it objectively. I think there are people who believe that if you are protesting the Israeli response, then you are pro Hamas (and I truly do NOT believe most people are), or they just sit & say "stop ALL bombings" (ie; 10/7 response), but they'd personally NEVER be able to handle living under Sharia law, which is what they are protecting w their pro Hamas nonsense. With all this, at the same time there are people out there who know nothing about what is going on & they're camping out, raging about what Israel is doing, etc, when Israel DOES have every right to defend itself - even though I personally believe they have gone too far. So...... (sorry, a true rant but w good intentions 💙✌️), a very long response on this thread but it's just that it is definitely not a black-and-white type of situation & I believe many people view it as though it is. You CAN be pro Israel & also be against what they are doing in Gaza, while at the same time you can be against the aggression in Gaza without being anti-Semitic. That brings us to Netanyahu's biggest criticism, when it comes to this particular ranter 🙋🏻♀️ Being pro 2-state solution in the eyes of the Israelis is being anti-Israel 🤦🏻♀️🙄 & w the exception of Hamas & other horrible, terrifying terrorist groups, there are normal humans that just want to live in their own territory. Hamas, Hasbulla & other terrorist organizations are using the fact that Palestinians want sovereignty as a way of forcing the Israeli forces to do things that really do qualify as what many people consider very close to genocide. There doesn't seem to be an easy answer but unless Netanyahu agrees to a 2- states solution, they are never going to end this war. On THAT stipulation (were they agreed to a 2-state solution), I believe the war would be much closer to ending, but PM Netanyahu is not playing fair either. He's afraid of being ousted (my opinion, I don't pretend to have all the answers) for allowing 10/7 to happen in the first place. The fact that Israel was protesting against his corruption when this all happened is no coincidence when it comes to the length of time it is taking to end this war his insistence on a single state solution/not giving Palestine sovereignty. His continuation of this war is much like what is happening in the US, one person trying to keep from being ousted from power, the other trying to regain power to keep from going to jail. Pretty typical right wing propaganda/lies & corruption. Being against what Israel is doing to the Palestinians & others in the Gaza strip does not make you an antisemite, it makes you a person w a heart (IMHO). Ok..... sorry for the rant. Peace y'all 💙🇺🇸
@@robin31165You obviously have no clue what your talking about. You sound like all the bullshit Israeli owned news stations. Pretending that Israel has a right to exist and pretending they have a right to defend themselves is the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard. I know my stance is valid and 100% right. Based off your response your the person who would have been pro Nazi and have slight compassion for the Jews. While the Middle East was the only place to refuse to give up a single Jewish person to hitler. Palestine was the ONLY place to aid the holocaust survivors and this is how they repay them. Your kind of people clapped and aided him. So don’t pretend you guys were the heroes, because you weren’t. You were genocide the Japanese at the same time. The only true terrorists are Israel and America. And history will remember this, even if it takes a hundred years we will make sure that white people can’t continue writing history the way they want but the way it truly was. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
I really appreciate how you both (Deepti/Natalie) have differing opinions sometimes but respectfully disagree and hear each other out. Very refreshing!
I think Hannah’s parents were putting in an act for the cameras. They don’t seem like the type of ppl that would cut their daughter off at 18 and kick her out. Something’s not adding up. They seemed pretty chill and kind. Idk 🤷🏽♀️ but maybe Hannah want giving us the real story
Really interesting to hear your thoughts since I hadn’t perceive Ramses as manipulative, even though I think he should give Marissa more space to figure put how she feels about the military. There’s a big contrast between them since Ramses seems to have strong opinions and knows his values better vs Marissa seems more undecided and like she doesn’t know herself as well
I had a dream about my grandmother this morning, who I haven’t called in so long. In the dream, I actually called to tell her I would be visiting. Except in real life, she lives in a different continent and I haven’t seen her in 2 decades. Then I click on this video and hear Natalie’s news. Sorry for your loss, Nat. I have to call my grandma 🤎
Natalie's comment at 6 min: I don't remember their names. I have the same problem!! I'm so happy to hear it's not only me. The season doesn't feel like it has much depth.
I dont agree with you guys judging Steven's entire character based on Sabrina's side. Our perceptions can be swayed according to the person who we have communicated/acquainted with the most. And you guys would obviously have Sabrina's point of view because you interviewed her. But it's important to note that we still don't know the full story. Let's not forget that Sabrina said she wants to move to London when Steven first asked her if she's willing to move there. She only changed her mind as the series progressed. Even then she did not appear to fully communicate that need to Steven. Hence I feel it's unfair to blame one party based on one sided claims.
Did you even watch the Sabrina episode because she cleared up the living together situation, Steven had a roommate, was she supposed to move into a house with her husband and his female roommate? They agreed as a couple to split time between both their spaces, she visited, he only went to her twice. You see the pods, you don't see every conversation they had, why is it so easy to discredit her?
it boggles me how ramses puts on to be so for the ppl when it comes to american imperialism but the empathy goes out the window when it comes to a condom…. 💀
The stay at home comment from marrissas mum might just be the case where she didn't know her daughters own values especially since they seemingly have disagreements. My mum assumes things about me based on the younger versions of me
Can we talk about how it's not Monday lol. I am with Natalie on her opinion of Ramses. He knew she was in the Military before he proposed and how he was looking at her. The BC convo passed me off there MOST!!
It's Canadian Thanksgiving weekend so I appreciate the early drop! 💕 Ramses feels like the biggest villain in that the way he behaves is something every woman has encountered at some point but he veils it under the pretense of being so in touch with his feelings! It irks me that this man claims to be so aware of different perspectives on major issues like the military and yet completely dismisses Marissa's very valid and unique point of view based on living it! That said, I love that Natalie brought up how Marissa seems to state a lot of contradicting views on the same topic depending on her audience, which makes me wonder if she has not reconciled her feelings about the military and is still figuring it out. If that's the case, it makes sense why Ramses can easily be so manipulative. Love both your insights on each couple, especially Hannah and Nick because I feel that people haven't been talking about them as much due to all the drama surrounding some of the other couples, yet they are fascinating to watch.
I really feel for Marissa on dealing with her inner turmoil around her military service, who she is, and what she wants. My husband is a marine and has some very similar struggles. One of my hobbies is learning about cults and it blew my mind when I learned just how cult-like the military is. That realization has helped me be so much more patient and understanding with him. That’s where my mind went during Marissa’s scenes. Shes really struggling and Ramses is making it so much harder in her instead of providing her a safe place to work through it.
@@kf4778 because he’s shaming her for being proud of her military service… Feeling like the military is behind her, and being told she shouldn’t be proud and can never reenlist if she wants to be with him are two different things.
I think Stephen already knew he wasn’t feeling it with Monica for a marriage and he was not enough of an adult to talk openly about things and end it. I’m not saying he felt cheating was his only way out, but it was an ends to a means, so doing what he did worked. It’s too bad Monica had to be hurt even further by what happened. Either way, I don’t think they were going to work out though. I can understand her anger and disappointment. I had high hopes for many of the couples who seemed so happy in the first drop but now I’m not sure if anyone will end up saying I do!
I think with Taylor & Garrett, I think they were addressing his family's anxiety about it and essentially they were saying they were going to take responsibility for how this pans out between the two of them (they weren't going into this lightly) but ultimately it comes down to their decision. I think they were making it known they love and understand his family but they also have to have the detachment to make the decision as a couple creating their own family. I also believe it came down to the disagreeing with the process and not the couple. Neither family wanted them to follow through with the process.
Alex and Tim will not last at all. She does not like that man. And the fact that she already dismissed him and put hands on him absolutely not. They will not get together
I agree. I’m sure he has his faults too, but the man cooked for your family and you didn’t have the awareness to ask if he needed help serving the meal. She just kinda bosses him around.
36:00 im all for Marissa’s mom having concerns and being protective over her daughter, but the moment you go for someone’s appearance or make it about you (her not believing in “forever”), you lost your point. She crossed the line, period.
Also am I the only one who really liked Bowden and got sad when she chose ramses? I thought they shared the same values and opinions when it came to the military and he matched her energy a little better idk
I was yelling at my t.v! I felt like she chose wrong & didn’t understand it. After seeing her mother, I get it. She chose the one who unconsciously reminded her of her mother because she has unresolved trauma with her. Ramses wears a mask, he’s a lot more like Marissa’s mother than he wants anyone to see/know. It’s that whole liberal persona where your morals are so high until it comes to issues of gender of course. Men of all political affiliations love oppressing women, even if they can objectively see how/why oppression is wrong (as he clearly can). It is extra weird.
Agreed. She starts off with calling her daughter out of her name. You can't do that and then go on the defense for her imo. I was leaning more towards Bodan. We didn't see much of Marisa and Ramses in the pods so it was hard to side with him. however, with the SA allegations against him....😬 Ramses may have been the better choice. Dude should get a vasectomy though 😆
I’m so sorry for your loss Natalie. I’ve been ruminating quite a bit lately over death and dying as my parents are in their 70’s now, and my cat is 18.. life’s short.
sending so much love to you and your family through this grieving period 💓 i love getting your take on the show from you both, it is so unique and really really vital to hear your thoughts combined with your lived experience! ❤
Sorry to hear about your loss Nat. But I'm glad you're with family and taking the time to grieve, heal and reflect on life. Hope nothing but the best for you, sending you lots of love and strength ❤
Stephen seems like a super insecure person. If he can't find validation in his relationship he goes into messaging other women - weak. But Monica did treat him badly.
I am from latin America and I disagree with everything Ramses says lol he knew about her military background, he cant now act like he is morally superior...
I 100% agree with Natalie about this season!! I was nodding frantically about everything, when you were talking about Nick and Hannah!!! Neither of them have the intention to get married, I genuinely think she enjoys belittling Nick because it makes her feel better about herself, Nick's taking it because he wants to stay on the show he does not like her, sorry it's really obvious to me. I literally can't remember anyone's names. Since episode 1, I saw absolutely no chemistry between anyone, I commented on some other channels about how I just don't see it I was even surprised when people were saying Ashley and Tyler (had to think about their names when typing that) were the 'perfect couple'. I just didn't see why any of them connected, there was no defining moments. Then these round of episodes dropped and everything I felt came to pass my intuition is never wrong! Even when people were hyping up Ramses and Marrisa, I said no, the only thing in common is how they look, they are fundamentally different and them BAM these episodes dropped. I actually don't feel as strongly about Ramses as you do Natalie. I actually agree with his stance on the milatary, he should have never entertained Marrisa EVER. As soon as she said it in the pods, he should have said no sorry I can't. They BOTH keep saying we're so similar we align and they literally don't... they're caught up in the show, they're not in reality. He lost me at the birth control thing, he came across so irresponsible. 100% with you Natalie, this season is a miss and no offense is making the American franchise seem like a joke given what's gone down with Stephen and Tyler :(
yeah i’ll be honest i lovedddd Ramses in the beginning and liked him even more when he started being brave enough to discuss US imperialism and Palestine on a national tv show but feeling as passionately as i do on these subjects, i couldn’t date someone let alone marry someone who didn’t feel the same especially in times like these. The no condom thing is insane though but i’m hoping it’s kinda like that guy from last season who also had issues with condoms but the producers made it a bigger deal than it actually was
I'm sorry your Ramses and Marissa take seem odd and disconnected from the couple's conversations. Ramses never said he wouldn't wear a condom and only suggested that their sexual relationship would change. He acknowledged Marissa's concerns about taking birth control pills and didn't make any demands. Are there no other forms of birth control, such as IUDs, etc.? Saying that Ramses deserves Marissa's mother's toxic interaction because of that is weird and off-base. Also, in the pods, Marissa initially made it sound like their politics were aligned and her military service was behind her. However, she later mentioned the possibility of joining the Reserves. Ramses has the right to be concerned and question her. If you believe that the US Military exports death and destruction around the world, why would you marry someone who is aligned with that immorality? Marissa's change in stance regarding her military service and Ramses' concerns about her ethics are valid points to consider.
Marissa stated cleary that she didn't want to go on a birth control. And he's the one not wanting children? Why shouldn't he wear a condom instead of expecting the women to alter her body. Otherwise, I agree with his views on the military and he should question that if he's going to get married to her.
i agree with you on everything but the birth control situation. He can get a vasectomy if it’s that important to him cause they’re reversible and it won’t be impacting his wife’s health
From my perspective it was always clear that Marissa valued her time in the military, and I only saw that switch up when she paired up with Ramses. It’s off-putting seeing someone who served for 8 years, grew up in the environment, and seemingly appreciated the experience, switch up based on being with a partner who has opposite feelings and views on her service… it feels like she’s altering herself for his approval. Definitely do not like it and I do not think they are aligned.
Also no, IUDs are just as physically impactful as pills, and they hurt like hell to insert. Thats the point, she doesn’t want to have to go through those hormonal changes or the pain it takes to be on birth control.
i cannot disagree more on the ramses thing, you guys are completely dismissing his reality and what version he saw of the military. you guys mention is for half a second, and coming from another country myself I totally understand his position. you guys are also dismissing the part where she said she would get on birthcontrol, and she backed out. I feel they both have to compromise too much and she hasn't figured herself out yet. in all the episodes she cannot stick to one opinion or thought shes always swaying. i think they both need to grow up and are not ready for marriage.
I think Hannah is as self-involved as Leo. The second Brittany slipped up and mentioned Leo out loud, Hannah decided, I'm going back to Nick D, who will take me as he has already said he was so into her. Due to her weight issues, she needed to get out of competing with Brittany. She is way more suited to a life clashing with a Leo. Both their personalities will only be balanced with another person who loves themselves more than they love their partner. PS her own brother validates this!
The weird thing about Ramses is he knew she was in the military and if that is a strong belief of his he should not have pursued her. Also if he doesn’t want kids right now why is he not even open to a condom that’s crazy and std testing needs to be given. Like wow.
I was so shocked by Kyle poor Ashley😢 You can tell she's such a good soul. They always cast less than moral/honest men. Was disgusted by Ramses unwillingness to use a condom but he's the one who doesn't want babies soon? make it make sense . idk that's a huge red flag to me in how he treats women. I thought Garret and Taylor were so sweet ❤ but with how these men are being so snakey I have no hope lol.
I love Amber and Barnett. Idk if the NDAs expired or what because finally season 1 cast could tell the truth about the predatory practices of the producers.
Me and my twin sister just lost our beloved grandmother too! So very sorry for your loss! Our hearts go out to you! Granny was everything to us too... This is really hard! It'll get easier with time though... Hopefully...Much love to you! Daria & Maria
This show has turned into traumatising women for ratings. Love is not blind, it's broke, deceitful, immature and selfish according to the men they keep casting. Mess.
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure if you asked her point-blank, "what are stocks?" that she could answer the question clearly. It seemed like she was just saying words
I met a man just like Ramses who had a vasectomy - he cheated on me & still exposed me to STDS (can be worse than pregnancy depending) & he was also an “anti-capitalist” who exploited ME for MY free labor & financial/etc gifts I gave him. Men lie & always have double standards. They don’t see women as people!
@@e.mountain1637 nah, that’s a two way conversation and a consent matter. If she wasn’t worried about that, I don’t see why we should make it an issue for him. I don’t know if they previously talked about testing and stuff. I have no context on that other conversation.
The term once a cheater, always a cheater was made for Stephen and Natalia, I’m sorry for the loss of your grandmother, sending love to you and your family.
Totally random question... Do the participants, when they live together, do you get money for groceries or is that out of pocket? Ie. Who is funding Hannah's $300 grocery bill lol.
I completely agree with your takes on Ramses!! He's a cuttlefish- he likes to appear all meek and timid, but as soon as a woman gets lured in, he attacks. And, much as the conversation was uncomfy, I agree marissa's mother saw through him
I agree. He is all for the empathy of people in other countries. Yet when it comes to the person on his lap, he has no empathy for. When it comes to his sexual nature, that's where he draws the line of his patriotic stance
I'm not always sure age is the issue. I got married to my husband at the age of 19, we've been together almost 7 years, married almost 6 years, have been through the loss of our son, and we're stronger than ever. We've always had amazing communication, and I think thats what Nick and Hannah lack. They don't talk to eachother nicely (more Hannah than Nick), they don't accurately communicate their feelings, they don't communicate when things are bothering them. Communication skills are the things they lack, not anything about age. Age can play a factor, but its not everything. The first thing my husband and I talked about, even when we were just friends, we told eachother exactly what we didn't want going forward in life, and I'm not sure what happens in the pods, but from what they show, there isn't enough of talking about what you don't want in a relationship 🤷🏽♀️
Taylor and Garrett are the least memorable couple in the show, they are so boring. But she seems shifty, she's constantly acting like she's hiding something or pretending to be something she's not.
Accept my sympathy regarding your grandmother's passing. We usually say in my culture (Cameroon) that elderly people do not die, they just go to take a well deserved rest. 🙏🏿
I agree with Natalie, I still can't remember their name, I won't remember anyone after it's over and I skipped a lot of scenes. Not that I like too much drama (I also skipped so many Chelsea scenes last year), but this season is soooooo incredibly boring.
ngl them saying out episodes should be saved for br action. i always listen to these eps in the shower when im like brushing my teeth. idk just the best place
I'm very sorry for the loss of your grandmother, Natalie. Praying for you to be strong and stay faithful.
thank you so much ❤❤
@@outofthepods Me and my twin sister just lost our beloved grandmother too! So very sorry for your loss! Our hearts go out to you! Granny was everything to us too... This is really hard! It'll get easier with time though... Hopefully...Much love to you! Daria & Maria
Sorry for your loss
I was really glad to see somebody talk about the bad sides of military and mentioning palestine on tv, I was so pissed off though at his take on condoms that was crazy like wtf Ramses
If a guy was acting like Hannah, he’d be instantly villainized. She is mean and belittling. Nick looks like a scolded puppy.
Especially in this channel. Imagine one of the women talked like Ramses. They (esp Deepti) would be like, "I understand that due to her background, she has strong feelings against the military, and it's great that she is voicing this out. Maybe her delivery could be a bit better. But I can see the pain and trauma she and her family must have gone through as a result of our military."
And if Marissa was the man, they would have said, "I hate how he was flip flopping on his own views about the military. You're a grown man who's served in it and chose to come out of it. Have a backbone and say what you really feel. Like make up your f'ing mind!"
I like this podcast. But I can't ignore the frustration I feel from all the double standards.
If a woman didn’t know how to cook pasta she would be villanized. Nick is a loser, clearly his parents didn’t put effort into raising him so sadly now Hannah has to and that doesn’t look pretty all the time.
@@KittyKat-zo1ue There are plenty of “modern” women who don’t cook, and they are praised for being progressive and not boxing themselves in to a traditional stereotype.
If a man on this show scolded a woman for not knowing how to cook and told her to sit down, he would get instant hate, and be labeled abusive, misogynist, and evil.
Not knowing how to make pasta doesn’t make anyone a loser. How ridiculous…
@@victoriaemerson-ds8du Bffr, they are not praised. You’re either delusional or being willfully obtuse.
A man would only be scolded for saying that on this show because majority of the viewers are women. Men say that all the time on twitter and TikTok and they still have a huge following of other men.
And what makes Nick a loser is that he doesn’t know how to do anything because his parents babied him and he does not seem eager to learn. He’s going to think she’s nagging him, when she’s literally just raising him because his parents refused to.
@@KittyKat-zo1ue I think a woman might be seen in a poor light if she acted like she didn't care about helping to cook while her spouse is asking her to help; however, Nick showed (at least to Hannah) some interest to cook with her and didn't shut her down immediately; he possibly also felt embarassed for his lack of knowledge -- and this is what I think warms people to him as a person in that scene and makes people feel sorry for him.
The thing with Nick living with his parents is a cultural matter. As we saw his mom is Cuban, and here in the Caribbean is normal to stay at our parents house until we get married. Our family dynamic is different.
Regards from Dominican Republic 🇩🇴 🇩🇴🇩🇴🇩🇴❤❤❤❤
Exactly. I’m over people shaming Nick when he has been beyond generous is his treatment of Hannah. She’s insufferable.
Agreed!! 👏 People can live independently and be COMPLETELY incompetent at life and incapable of caring for themselves or anyone else. And people can live with their parents and be COMPLETELY capable of taking care of themselves.
THISSS , I feel like Latinos don’t believe in leaving the house at 18 🤣 I’m Guatemalan & we couldn’t leave until we were married
I’m a Brit, and my husband is Colombian. I met him when I was travelling in Colombia and he still lived with his Mum. This meant that I got the awesome experience of living with her too. It was one of the most special experiences of my life. I put on like 6 kilos from all the delicious food she was constantly making me. I don’t judge him for still being at home with his Mum at the time because both culture and circumstances was the reason for that and if anything, I got to see his love and respect for her, which I’ve not often seen when dating British guys.
I think people are more concerned that Nick has done no steps to being an adult. You can live with your parents house and still be a full responsible adult. Instead he has never bought groceries or cooked in his life. He only pays his car bills. He was very uncomfortable when it came to talking about finances. Was he expecting his wife to move into the basement and be on his parents phone plan.
Whatever Ramses ends up being, that doesn’t excuse Marissa’s mom’s behaviour. She said nothing intuitive and all of it was projection from her own issues in life.
I hate when our 20/20 view of people means we give credit to people who were out of line after the fact. Like their behaviour is ok because others let us down later on. No definitely not.
I wholeheartedly agree with you and was actually quite disappointed with Natalie's + Deepti's perspectives on this. They even failed to mention Marissa's mom calling her own daughter a b****, and threatening to cut off Ramses' genitals. Her mom was so crude and none of her "tough takes" were really for anyone's benefit, regardless of how good or bad Ramses is. In fact, up to that point, Ramses hadn't said/done anything offensive, so justifying Marissa's mom's behavior because of how one feels about him after all is said and done doesn't absolve her of her terrible persona.
Exactly! Her behavior was rude and disgusting. There’s no excuse for that behavior. Also, there’s no need to call Ramses a bad person because he doesn’t share the same views.
Can we talk about how genuine, honest and good Hannah’s parents seemed? And the way they called her out on the way she spoke to and about him and was so brutally honest. Even saying she was acting so stressed and not at peace. And that she couldn’t nitpic on him like that.
Yeees!!! I was so surprised
I do wonder if Hannah's mom can turn it on in public with new people similar to how Hannah turned it on meeting Nick's parents.
The same parents who cut her off at 18? Sure they are so genuine, honest and good. I'd be mad, mean and require a lot from others too if my parents taught me to be hyper-independent by leaving me to figure out life on my own and then be really soft and gentle with a stranger. Hannah is how she is because of them, no one can convince me otherwise. She's been taught that hard work and having it together is praise worthy behaviour and what makes you valuable. Hope watching herself will led her to therapy and much needed healing.
Her dad is giving DILFFF😍🤤
Her dad is giving DILFFF😍🤤
My heart goes out to you, Natalie. I'm sorry for your grandma's passing. I'm glad you're finding strength in family and reflection.
Ramses was 1000% wrong on the bc conversation but I do feel like everyone is having a very US centric response to his view of the military. If you were born in a country that was heavily destabilized by the US military it’s very hard to feel compassionate for people who voluntarily sign up for that. I totally agree that she was 18 and to me that’s still a kid making a decision that their brains can’t possibly fully comprehend the consequences of. I don’t think it’s fair to completely negate the fact that there are generations of peoples lives have been ruined by imperialism specifically from the US. Ramses is literally from Venezuela and the US was very involved in the destabilization of the country.
I don't think people in the usa can't understand the meaning of his state of mind, as Venezuelan the military (not only the ones for usa but our military) was the reason over 6 millions were force to leave our home. At 18 years old you are able to see tv, read books, Google information about what You are about to sign for
@@josmairafontaines2376the reason Venezuelans leave is because of the corruption of the leaders and the terrible economy. The us is not directly responsible.. I really hate this take I’m seeing on the military. Thank God for our soldiers because I can’t do what they do.
@@lea8532how naive god bless
@@lea8532 the us put those people in power babe
@@gabrotaschen3808 likewise 🙏
I understand Natalie's pessimism regarding the Golden Couple and concern over Garrett's "only have dated white women in the past line", but given that he spent the last 7 years working 70 hours a week or taking vacations spear fishing, I got the sense that he's hasn't dated many women and was more telling her as a fact that he's only dated white women rather than that he prefers to date white women. They are also both thinkers so him being concerned she was keeping more things from him until she explained why she didn't want to reveal her Mom's name seemed reasonable. Since he didn't push about it and even suggested that she shouldn't say when she became insecure and considered just saying it is part of the reason I am giving him more of a benefit of the doubt.
Great podcast as always!
good take!!
Her humor is NOT a gen z thing. In my whole gen z life I've never seen someone joke like that and not be able to take it back. Plus she's just overly cruel, most people aren't like that
I feel like her humor is similar to Natalie s😅
She has more of that Gen X humor where they completely disregard a persons humanity
I believe it’s because she’s born and raised in the DMV. The people there are not normal; meaning they’re extra cruel and that’s the norm
My issue with Hannah is that she can certainly dish it out but she can't take it back. You don't get to make mean jokes about other people and not be able to take it when people push back with the same energy. That's just bullying.
Learning Marissa is ex mormon explained everything for me. I'm also exmo and I swore up and down while I was in the church that I wanted to be a stay at home mom and to have a lot of kids. I did the stay at home mom thing and was miserable. I finally allowed myself to explore what I really wanted when I left the church and now have a career I love and don't want more than the two kids I have.
The church can convince you that what you want is what they tell you is the right thing to want. Marissa's mom seems like she doesn't know all the growth Marissa has been experiencing. Being home with her kids might've been something Marissa said she wanted in the past but doesn't want now. I also sense she's a recovering people pleaser.
The fact that Stephen told Monica that he emotionally cheated on his previous partner via texts and she responded with an "I'm so sorry" ....
Which is why I do not understand the overwhelming empathy for Monica. Walked into this mess eyes wide open.
THIS! I had to pause and rewind to make sure that’s what she had said. Like… sorry about what?! Him being caught? Yeah, he was sorry about that part too 😅😅😅😅😅
It was so odd! Was she surprised about him being honest about it? Even so, her saying sorry threw me off so much. 😬
Nah, everybody had smoke for Catherine when Freddie said he cheated in the past and she saw it as a red flag, keep that same energy.
@@nunyabusiness3516 I think both women's reactions were on extreme opposite ends. From too understanding to being too stuck on it. Just thinking she should've asked more about it and moved with caution.
While what Stephen did was terrible - Monica also treated him horribly and constantly criticized everything he did. I don’t think either of them really liked each other
Yes, no one brings up the fact that Monica stopped having sex with him at some point. I think she was already realizing they might not be suited for each other.
@@DaylaS Anyone, at anytime, for any reason can withdraw their consent for sex. Her decision to withdraw her consent is not relevant, so why should we bring it up?!? It was still his decision to, instead of having a mature conversation, to cheat. Something he has done in the past.
I hope Nick breaks up with Hannah because if they spend any more time together Hannah is going to turn Nick as mean as she is and he seems like a kind person so it would be a shame.
Also as a non-American, Ramses seemed totally in line to me in the military conversation - he is open minded and willing to listen, but he isn’t going to be a supporter of the methods of the US military given his background. for someone to keep saying “I support our troops” after admitting that they are aware the military unnecessarily destroys societies and wrongfully uses violence and other tools of oppression to dominate - and then they say they don’t regret it - that would be very challenging. She needs to understand and accept that he comes from a culture that has suffered because of the system she chose to be a part of, enact, and perpetuate. It seems they should have gotten more into the weeds on this topic in the pods, and is a difference enough that it's likely they shouldn't be together.
The contraception stuff is abhorrent though and makes me lose 110% of any respect I had for him.
Thanks for bringing this Up.
@@pearlosibuso the American culture is being blind to human suffering and loss of their life? And people must understand their way of thinking because it's "culture"? 😂
Ramses hates American Imperialism so much. Question. Why are you here? Go back to Venezuela or move to whatever government you find palatable. Yep, I said it. I said it.
I’m a leftist, but I have encountered people even further left than me, like Ramses, who have a complete blindspot when it comes to having empathy for someone right in front of them. They only want to spew their own viewpoints, but nobody will ever change their mind when you berate them like that
I wouldn’t be surprised if Marissa has a difficult time around people with strong opinions, because her mom is sooooo domineering.
Is it just me or were her siblings somewhat cautious during that meeting?
Definitely noticed that. They don’t speak when she’s speaking and they wait until she’s done. Narcissistic?
I think it's selfish to enter LIB Washington DC when she always knew she would want to relocate to Sandiego, she should have rather applied for the LIB in that city/ state
I think the pods are a two edged sword. It is great for transparency and vulnerability but it also allows for deceit, manipulation, people saying or omitting vital Information just to win the other person when they know they have competition with other love interests. Everyone needs intuition in the pods because emotions are really heightened. Could be wrong but I've seen every single episode from every country and thus made this conclusion.
As a non-American I see Ramses completely differently. He's stating his opinions with pride and not apologizing for them. Many people agree with him on American politics and military actions. The condom thing is immature though... but Marissa has BIG issues to figure out and every man should run far away from her.
Run from her? Relax
@@WilliamsPinch Yes RUN do not walk. That baby voice isn't fooling anyone.
He hates the military yet is living here, benefitting from their service. Make it make sense!
His condom/bc comments were weird af though - maybe it was the edit but he showed very little sympathy for marissa not wanting to be on hormonal birth control
Can you explain more on your opinions of Marissa? Genuinely interested in your view point.
Ramsis is not wrong about US military. I too wont date a nan who is pro US military. The amount of bloodshed they have caused globally is gory. People still supporting it and benefiting from it should realize they are profiting from these killings.
I didn’t like Ramses that much until he stated his “political” view about the military. And it’s rare to get a conversation that’s positively bringing up Palestine and I love how he didn’t back down. He shouldn’t have shamed her but I agree with him 100% and the BC comments are not a big deal people are acting like they’ve never had this convo before.
i mean i don’t even feel like he really shamed her cause especially given the fact that the most well documented genocide is happening rn and no one in our country is blinking an eye when it comes to our role in this i get being like “yeah i’d break up with you if rejoined.” Also Marissa seems pretty smart and that she’s been grappling with that thinking about that herself but having so many friends from the military it’s probably harder to have conversations as real as the ones she’s having with Ramses cause they’re so pro military. If anyone i was talking to was like “yeahhhh i guess the military had done some bad things” i’d have the same tone as Ramses cause millions of people’s lives ending using our tax dollars infuriates me
@@swirlyferlyI agree! I love that his conversation has forced so many people who have stayed away from talking about Palestine to kind of have a take. And their opinions have made it clear who’s side they are really on. It’s disappointing to see a podcast with young POC and they still don’t get it.
@@saraa475 They do get it. They’re remarking on how Ramses communicated to her, not WHAT he communicated.
@@saraa475 I think the issue w Palestine & Gaza has its own set of facts that don't directly relate to his life and/or her military career, although obviously all US military is blanketed under the same blame/credit (depending on your view or how much you believe the US & our media propaganda), regardless of what country we are involved with - whether they be adversaries or allies.
The idea that if you are worried about the 43,000+ people who have died as a result of the Israeli force's 10/7 response, does not mean that you are an anti-Semite.
At least I don't believe so.
Personally, what I find frustrating is that many people are protesting what the Israelis are doing but they don't really know what they're talking about.
I'm not saying that's everyone - I personally think it's horrific how many people have died over there, but going from protesting Israel's response to 10/7/23 to actually being 'pro Hamas' is a huge & incredibly insane jump that I think very very few protesters would actually support - IF they tried to look at it objectively.
I think there are people who believe that if you are protesting the Israeli response, then you are pro Hamas (and I truly do NOT believe most people are), or they just sit & say "stop ALL bombings" (ie; 10/7 response), but they'd personally NEVER be able to handle living under Sharia law, which is what they are protecting w their pro Hamas nonsense.
With all this, at the same time there are people out there who know nothing about what is going on & they're camping out, raging about what Israel is doing, etc, when Israel DOES have every right to defend itself - even though I personally believe they have gone too far.
So...... (sorry, a true rant but w good intentions 💙✌️), a very long response on this thread but it's just that it is definitely not a black-and-white type of situation & I believe many people view it as though it is.
You CAN be pro Israel & also be against what they are doing in Gaza, while at the same time you can be against the aggression in Gaza without being anti-Semitic.
That brings us to Netanyahu's biggest criticism, when it comes to this particular ranter 🙋🏻♀️
Being pro 2-state solution in the eyes of the Israelis is being anti-Israel 🤦🏻♀️🙄 & w the exception of Hamas & other horrible, terrifying terrorist groups, there are normal humans that just want to live in their own territory. Hamas, Hasbulla & other terrorist organizations are using the fact that Palestinians want sovereignty as a way of forcing the Israeli forces to do things that really do qualify as what many people consider very close to genocide.
There doesn't seem to be an easy answer but unless Netanyahu agrees to a 2- states solution, they are never going to end this war.
On THAT stipulation (were they agreed to a 2-state solution), I believe the war would be much closer to ending, but PM Netanyahu is not playing fair either.
He's afraid of being ousted (my opinion, I don't pretend to have all the answers) for allowing 10/7 to happen in the first place. The fact that Israel was protesting against his corruption when this all happened is no coincidence when it comes to the length of time it is taking to end this war his insistence on a single state solution/not giving Palestine sovereignty.
His continuation of this war is much like what is happening in the US, one person trying to keep from being ousted from power, the other trying to regain power to keep from going to jail.
Pretty typical right wing propaganda/lies & corruption.
Being against what Israel is doing to the Palestinians & others in the Gaza strip does not make you an antisemite, it makes you a person w a heart (IMHO).
Ok..... sorry for the rant.
Peace y'all 💙🇺🇸
@@robin31165You obviously have no clue what your talking about. You sound like all the bullshit Israeli owned news stations. Pretending that Israel has a right to exist and pretending they have a right to defend themselves is the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard. I know my stance is valid and 100% right. Based off your response your the person who would have been pro Nazi and have slight compassion for the Jews. While the Middle East was the only place to refuse to give up a single Jewish person to hitler. Palestine was the ONLY place to aid the holocaust survivors and this is how they repay them. Your kind of people clapped and aided him. So don’t pretend you guys were the heroes, because you weren’t. You were genocide the Japanese at the same time. The only true terrorists are Israel and America. And history will remember this, even if it takes a hundred years we will make sure that white people can’t continue writing history the way they want but the way it truly was. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
I really appreciate how you both (Deepti/Natalie) have differing opinions sometimes but respectfully disagree and hear each other out. Very refreshing!
I think Hannah’s parents were putting in an act for the cameras. They don’t seem like the type of ppl that would cut their daughter off at 18 and kick her out. Something’s not adding up. They seemed pretty chill and kind. Idk 🤷🏽♀️ but maybe Hannah want giving us the real story
Really interesting to hear your thoughts since I hadn’t perceive Ramses as manipulative, even though I think he should give Marissa more space to figure put how she feels about the military. There’s a big contrast between them since Ramses seems to have strong opinions and knows his values better vs Marissa seems more undecided and like she doesn’t know herself as well
Sorry my opinion about him was mostly from his behavior in the condom conversation mostly, less about his opinions of the military - Natalie
You're right. The interaction was not manipulative. Instead, he was open and honest while addressing her concerns about birth control.
I had a dream about my grandmother this morning, who I haven’t called in so long. In the dream, I actually called to tell her I would be visiting. Except in real life, she lives in a different continent and I haven’t seen her in 2 decades.
Then I click on this video and hear Natalie’s news.
Sorry for your loss, Nat.
I have to call my grandma 🤎
Natalie's comment at 6 min: I don't remember their names. I have the same problem!! I'm so happy to hear it's not only me. The season doesn't feel like it has much depth.
I dont agree with you guys judging Steven's entire character based on Sabrina's side. Our perceptions can be swayed according to the person who we have communicated/acquainted with the most. And you guys would obviously have Sabrina's point of view because you interviewed her. But it's important to note that we still don't know the full story. Let's not forget that Sabrina said she wants to move to London when Steven first asked her if she's willing to move there. She only changed her mind as the series progressed. Even then she did not appear to fully communicate that need to Steven. Hence I feel it's unfair to blame one party based on one sided claims.
Did you even watch the Sabrina episode because she cleared up the living together situation, Steven had a roommate, was she supposed to move into a house with her husband and his female roommate? They agreed as a couple to split time between both their spaces, she visited, he only went to her twice. You see the pods, you don't see every conversation they had, why is it so easy to discredit her?
it boggles me how ramses puts on to be so for the ppl when it comes to american imperialism but the empathy goes out the window when it comes to a condom…. 💀
major red flag..
I think that opposing the murder of innocent people is more than a matter of simple empathy.
@@anyCone i would think the same, but thru my lens of living in america it’s clearly a thing that’s lacking here
Condom vs b*mbing kids 🤔
The stay at home comment from marrissas mum might just be the case where she didn't know her daughters own values especially since they seemingly have disagreements. My mum assumes things about me based on the younger versions of me
Can we talk about how it's not Monday lol.
I am with Natalie on her opinion of Ramses. He knew she was in the Military before he proposed and how he was looking at her.
The BC convo passed me off there MOST!!
It's Canadian Thanksgiving weekend so I appreciate the early drop! 💕 Ramses feels like the biggest villain in that the way he behaves is something every woman has encountered at some point but he veils it under the pretense of being so in touch with his feelings! It irks me that this man claims to be so aware of different perspectives on major issues like the military and yet completely dismisses Marissa's very valid and unique point of view based on living it! That said, I love that Natalie brought up how Marissa seems to state a lot of contradicting views on the same topic depending on her audience, which makes me wonder if she has not reconciled her feelings about the military and is still figuring it out. If that's the case, it makes sense why Ramses can easily be so manipulative. Love both your insights on each couple, especially Hannah and Nick because I feel that people haven't been talking about them as much due to all the drama surrounding some of the other couples, yet they are fascinating to watch.
I really feel for Marissa on dealing with her inner turmoil around her military service, who she is, and what she wants. My husband is a marine and has some very similar struggles. One of my hobbies is learning about cults and it blew my mind when I learned just how cult-like the military is. That realization has helped me be so much more patient and understanding with him. That’s where my mind went during Marissa’s scenes. Shes really struggling and Ramses is making it so much harder in her instead of providing her a safe place to work through it.
I think it's because initially Marissa made it sound like the military was behind her but she later talks about joining the Reserves. That's a leap. 🙃
@@kf4778 because he’s shaming her for being proud of her military service… Feeling like the military is behind her, and being told she shouldn’t be proud and can never reenlist if she wants to be with him are two different things.
I wish you all were daily! It’s a lift for my spirit to hear your voices, the laughter and your take on things.
I think Stephen already knew he wasn’t feeling it with Monica for a marriage and he was not enough of an adult to talk openly about things and end it. I’m not saying he felt cheating was his only way out, but it was an ends to a means, so doing what he did worked. It’s too bad Monica had to be hurt even further by what happened. Either way, I don’t think they were going to work out though. I can understand her anger and disappointment. I had high hopes for many of the couples who seemed so happy in the first drop but now I’m not sure if anyone will end up saying I do!
I think with Taylor & Garrett, I think they were addressing his family's anxiety about it and essentially they were saying they were going to take responsibility for how this pans out between the two of them (they weren't going into this lightly) but ultimately it comes down to their decision. I think they were making it known they love and understand his family but they also have to have the detachment to make the decision as a couple creating their own family. I also believe it came down to the disagreeing with the process and not the couple. Neither family wanted them to follow through with the process.
Alex and Tim will not last at all. She does not like that man. And the fact that she already dismissed him and put hands on him absolutely not. They will not get together
I agree. I’m sure he has his faults too, but the man cooked for your family and you didn’t have the awareness to ask if he needed help serving the meal. She just kinda bosses him around.
Natalie, I am so sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you. I understand how that is. My sincerest condolences to you and your loved ones.
36:00 im all for Marissa’s mom having concerns and being protective over her daughter, but the moment you go for someone’s appearance or make it about you (her not believing in “forever”), you lost your point. She crossed the line, period.
Also am I the only one who really liked Bowden and got sad when she chose ramses? I thought they shared the same values and opinions when it came to the military and he matched her energy a little better idk
I was yelling at my t.v! I felt like she chose wrong & didn’t understand it. After seeing her mother, I get it. She chose the one who unconsciously reminded her of her mother because she has unresolved trauma with her. Ramses wears a mask, he’s a lot more like Marissa’s mother than he wants anyone to see/know. It’s that whole liberal persona where your morals are so high until it comes to issues of gender of course. Men of all political affiliations love oppressing women, even if they can objectively see how/why oppression is wrong (as he clearly can). It is extra weird.
Agreed. She starts off with calling her daughter out of her name. You can't do that and then go on the defense for her imo.
I was leaning more towards Bodan. We didn't see much of Marisa and Ramses in the pods so it was hard to side with him. however, with the SA allegations against him....😬 Ramses may have been the better choice. Dude should get a vasectomy though 😆
@@samanthas8340 I didn’t hear about the SA!! Wow
Exactly. Felt like Hannah was putting a front on “how together” she is for acceptance and to feel better about herself.
I totally got that feeling about the race thing with Garrett's family. Jut a feeling... Could be wrong
I’m so sorry for your loss Natalie. I’ve been ruminating quite a bit lately over death and dying as my parents are in their 70’s now, and my cat is 18.. life’s short.
sending so much love to you and your family through this grieving period 💓
i love getting your take on the show from you both, it is so unique and really really vital to hear your thoughts combined with your lived experience! ❤
Sorry to hear about your loss Nat. But I'm glad you're with family and taking the time to grieve, heal and reflect on life. Hope nothing but the best for you, sending you lots of love and strength ❤
My condolences to you Natalie - thank you for being so genuine and open with the listeners 💜💜💜
Stephen seems like a super insecure person. If he can't find validation in his relationship he goes into messaging other women - weak. But Monica did treat him badly.
So sorry for your loss Natalie, thanks for being so open!
3:18 my heart sunk for a second because I thought you were going to say they split 😭 I’m so happy for them
I listen to you guys in the morning on my drive to work. I’ve also listened to you guys at the airport too 😂 love you both! ❤️
Tyler being the US version of Sergio (LIB Sweden)
😂😂😂 That is soooo trueeee
that's funny!
🤢🤢🤢 he’s so greasy and sleazy
I am from latin America and I disagree with everything Ramses says lol he knew about her military background, he cant now act like he is morally superior...
Re: Hannah, you can be very direct without being an asshole who belittles people, come on. She is bullying, condescending, and unkind.
I 100% agree with Natalie about this season!! I was nodding frantically about everything, when you were talking about Nick and Hannah!!! Neither of them have the intention to get married, I genuinely think she enjoys belittling Nick because it makes her feel better about herself, Nick's taking it because he wants to stay on the show he does not like her, sorry it's really obvious to me. I literally can't remember anyone's names. Since episode 1, I saw absolutely no chemistry between anyone, I commented on some other channels about how I just don't see it I was even surprised when people were saying Ashley and Tyler (had to think about their names when typing that) were the 'perfect couple'. I just didn't see why any of them connected, there was no defining moments. Then these round of episodes dropped and everything I felt came to pass my intuition is never wrong!
Even when people were hyping up Ramses and Marrisa, I said no, the only thing in common is how they look, they are fundamentally different and them BAM these episodes dropped. I actually don't feel as strongly about Ramses as you do Natalie. I actually agree with his stance on the milatary, he should have never entertained Marrisa EVER. As soon as she said it in the pods, he should have said no sorry I can't. They BOTH keep saying we're so similar we align and they literally don't... they're caught up in the show, they're not in reality. He lost me at the birth control thing, he came across so irresponsible. 100% with you Natalie, this season is a miss and no offense is making the American franchise seem like a joke given what's gone down with Stephen and Tyler :(
Literally, you say "Ashley and Tyler" and I'm thinking - "the scientists" couple. But wait, his name was not Tyler...
@@liveyourlifefree 😂😂😂
I think the editing in this season is awful. They drop you in the middle of the drama without context or don’t show what happened. It’s boring.
yeah i’ll be honest i lovedddd Ramses in the beginning and liked him even more when he started being brave enough to discuss US imperialism and Palestine on a national tv show but feeling as passionately as i do on these subjects, i couldn’t date someone let alone marry someone who didn’t feel the same especially in times like these. The no condom thing is insane though but i’m hoping it’s kinda like that guy from last season who also had issues with condoms but the producers made it a bigger deal than it actually was
WOW LMFAO, me literally on the toilet listening to the part about taking a poop while listening to the podcast bahahahahah
y'all called it!
LOVE IT!!!!
I was about to give up on this season because I couldn't tell a bunch of the couples apart but now after this discussion? I'm sattt
I'm sorry your Ramses and Marissa take seem odd and disconnected from the couple's conversations. Ramses never said he wouldn't wear a condom and only suggested that their sexual relationship would change. He acknowledged Marissa's concerns about taking birth control pills and didn't make any demands. Are there no other forms of birth control, such as IUDs, etc.? Saying that Ramses deserves Marissa's mother's toxic interaction because of that is weird and off-base.
Also, in the pods, Marissa initially made it sound like their politics were aligned and her military service was behind her. However, she later mentioned the possibility of joining the Reserves. Ramses has the right to be concerned and question her. If you believe that the US Military exports death and destruction around the world, why would you marry someone who is aligned with that immorality? Marissa's change in stance regarding her military service and Ramses' concerns about her ethics are valid points to consider.
Marissa stated cleary that she didn't want to go on a birth control. And he's the one not wanting children? Why shouldn't he wear a condom instead of expecting the women to alter her body. Otherwise, I agree with his views on the military and he should question that if he's going to get married to her.
i agree with you on everything but the birth control situation. He can get a vasectomy if it’s that important to him cause they’re reversible and it won’t be impacting his wife’s health
From my perspective it was always clear that Marissa valued her time in the military, and I only saw that switch up when she paired up with Ramses. It’s off-putting seeing someone who served for 8 years, grew up in the environment, and seemingly appreciated the experience, switch up based on being with a partner who has opposite feelings and views on her service… it feels like she’s altering herself for his approval. Definitely do not like it and I do not think they are aligned.
Also no, IUDs are just as physically impactful as pills, and they hurt like hell to insert. Thats the point, she doesn’t want to have to go through those hormonal changes or the pain it takes to be on birth control.
i cannot disagree more on the ramses thing, you guys are completely dismissing his reality and what version he saw of the military. you guys mention is for half a second, and coming from another country myself I totally understand his position. you guys are also dismissing the part where she said she would get on birthcontrol, and she backed out. I feel they both have to compromise too much and she hasn't figured herself out yet. in all the episodes she cannot stick to one opinion or thought shes always swaying. i think they both need to grow up and are not ready for marriage.
Your parents shouldn't influence your decision, listen but you should make your own decision.
I think LIB should be renamed to "He/she's a 10 but" lol
Do we know for a fact that Hannah got "cut off" at 18? Her definition of cut off might not be like 100% completely cut off.
I think Hannah is as self-involved as Leo. The second Brittany slipped up and mentioned Leo out loud, Hannah decided, I'm going back to Nick D, who will take me as he has already said he was so into her. Due to her weight issues, she needed to get out of competing with Brittany. She is way more suited to a life clashing with a Leo. Both their personalities will only be balanced with another person who loves themselves more than they love their partner.
PS her own brother validates this!
The weird thing about Ramses is he knew she was in the military and if that is a strong belief of his he should not have pursued her. Also if he doesn’t want kids right now why is he not even open to a condom that’s crazy and std testing needs to be given. Like wow.
I love listening to you two
I was so shocked by Kyle poor Ashley😢 You can tell she's such a good soul. They always cast less than moral/honest men. Was disgusted by Ramses unwillingness to use a condom but he's the one who doesn't want babies soon? make it make sense . idk that's a huge red flag to me in how he treats women. I thought Garret and Taylor were so sweet ❤ but with how these men are being so snakey I have no hope lol.
I love Amber and Barnett. Idk if the NDAs expired or what because finally season 1 cast could tell the truth about the predatory practices of the producers.
Me and my twin sister just lost our beloved grandmother too! So very sorry for your loss! Our hearts go out to you! Granny was everything to us too... This is really hard! It'll get easier with time though... Hopefully...Much love to you! Daria & Maria
This show has turned into traumatising women for ratings. Love is not blind, it's broke, deceitful, immature and selfish according to the men they keep casting. Mess.
Not to mention casting superficial people with a lack of ambition and beyond a “trophy wife” or weird people like Stephen.
I agree with Hannah putting on a show to look more mature than she is. I work in finance, and I was like, "Gurl what are you talking about" lol.
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure if you asked her point-blank, "what are stocks?" that she could answer the question clearly. It seemed like she was just saying words
Can someone talk to Ramses about vasectomies?
And STDS.
I met a man just like Ramses who had a vasectomy - he cheated on me & still exposed me to STDS (can be worse than pregnancy depending) & he was also an “anti-capitalist” who exploited ME for MY free labor & financial/etc gifts I gave him. Men lie & always have double standards. They don’t see women as people!
@@e.mountain1637 nah, that’s a two way conversation and a consent matter. If she wasn’t worried about that, I don’t see why we should make it an issue for him. I don’t know if they previously talked about testing and stuff. I have no context on that other conversation.
The term once a cheater, always a cheater was made for Stephen and Natalia, I’m sorry for the loss of your grandmother, sending love to you and your family.
Lmaoooo I sat on the toilet and started this episode, then hear you guys saying it's for the bathroom💀
Thank you for sharing about your loss. I just lost my father recently as well - you are absolutely right - thank you for sharing so clearly and kindly
I love Amber and Barnnet❤❤
May your grandmother rest in peace Natalie , I bet she is watching over her beautiful and ambitious granddaughter! 🫶🏻🥹
Totally random question... Do the participants, when they live together, do you get money for groceries or is that out of pocket?
Ie. Who is funding Hannah's $300 grocery bill lol.
I completely agree with your takes on Ramses!! He's a cuttlefish- he likes to appear all meek and timid, but as soon as a woman gets lured in, he attacks. And, much as the conversation was uncomfy, I agree marissa's mother saw through him
I agree. He is all for the empathy of people in other countries. Yet when it comes to the person on his lap, he has no empathy for. When it comes to his sexual nature, that's where he draws the line of his patriotic stance
Pod Bestie from Germany is sending her love! I'm sorry for your loss Natalie 🤍
Wait I thought Tyler was just a sperm donor?
So sorry for your loss Natalie
18:58 Nick might be appreciates her directness, but doesn't like her rudeness
I'm not always sure age is the issue. I got married to my husband at the age of 19, we've been together almost 7 years, married almost 6 years, have been through the loss of our son, and we're stronger than ever. We've always had amazing communication, and I think thats what Nick and Hannah lack. They don't talk to eachother nicely (more Hannah than Nick), they don't accurately communicate their feelings, they don't communicate when things are bothering them. Communication skills are the things they lack, not anything about age. Age can play a factor, but its not everything. The first thing my husband and I talked about, even when we were just friends, we told eachother exactly what we didn't want going forward in life, and I'm not sure what happens in the pods, but from what they show, there isn't enough of talking about what you don't want in a relationship 🤷🏽♀️
Sorry for your loss Natalie 🩷🩷🩷🩷 sending love
Rest in peace, grandma. Sending love from Korea ❤
Taylor and Garrett are the least memorable couple in the show, they are so boring. But she seems shifty, she's constantly acting like she's hiding something or pretending to be something she's not.
No spoilers but I am watching this after watching this week's new episodes and, wow, you are in for surprises!!
Sorry for your loss ❤
Sorry for your loss, Natalie. Thank you both for such an entertaining show - always appreciate your recap!
Accept my sympathy regarding your grandmother's passing.
We usually say in my culture (Cameroon) that elderly people do not die, they just go to take a well deserved rest. 🙏🏿
Hannah was giving me narcissist vibes ... charming and jovial with Nick's family but treats him differently when they're alone 🙁
Hannah is mean. I think she’s so insecure and this is why she talks down to Nick. She needs therapy to heal from her childhood trauma.
I agree with Natalie, I still can't remember their name, I won't remember anyone after it's over and I skipped a lot of scenes. Not that I like too much drama (I also skipped so many Chelsea scenes last year), but this season is soooooo incredibly boring.
I agree, I’m only learning people’s names through the YT commentary videos and podcasts 🤷🏾♀️
ngl them saying out episodes should be saved for br action. i always listen to these eps in the shower when im like brushing my teeth. idk just the best place
I wish you would do a few episodes on other countries versions of LIB, like Brazil and Sweden, and not just the english speaking countries.
Very sorry you lost your grandmother 😭😭😭 but happy to hear you are able to be with family and remember her life together.
Natalie I’m very sorry for your loss. Sending love, pod bestie from Uruguay 🇺🇾 🫶🏼❤️🩹
There is a difference between hygiene, cleanliness, and messiness. Obvs we dont know if she is clean or messy?
Marissa picked Ramses over "Cancer Leo Leo" so as long as she makes decisions based on superstition, she won't find happiness
Agreed with Natalie, no one stands out at all…
I think Hannah and Leo will be the most memorable
Also this season feels so dragged out for no reason. Their convo about the military was so awkward and too long 😂 like what the heck.