Dude, I downloaded the targets and ran that drill today. Wow, it's not as easy as you might think, even from 3 yards. My first score "cold" was 46. Going to run this drill again tomorrow. Thanks for what you do. One of my favorite RUclips channels.
Hey, 46/50 is not bad at all for your first try, especially cold. I tried it the other day for the first time in a while and decided to push it back to 7 yards since the last time I tried, I cleaned it at 5. 38/50. Ouch!
I'm telling you brother, I have shot many drills and this one is simple, but very effective. It made me much more aware of my grip and trigger press. Going to run another 3 yard drill tomorrow using the G26 and G17. Today's drill was done with the G43. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks man.
@@PlugNuster this sounds like a perfect target for dry fire. Master it dry, honestly and you should do ok like. This is a year old. How did you do later?
@@bobkinch5658I have shot this drill several times now, and have scored 50 a few times. Moved out to 7 yards and shot another 50/50. Funny thing is I shoot this drill better with my G26 than the G17.
I have been shooting pistols at master level since 1991. Today, I shot my first Dot Torture Drill at 3 yards. I scored 43/50 hits in the dots. I was disappointed with my results, because I know I can do better, and was having an off day. This reinforces the need to practice frequently and consistently. This is an excellent drill, and it definitely will make you slow down and work on mastering the basics of drawing, sight alignment, trigger control, and follow through. Use your skills, or lose your skills.
Red Bear Preparedness - Excellent comment. I can’t wait to go to the range again to work on this drill. The true sign of a master is the ability to take input and try something new!
Unfortunately we will ALL have off days LOL. But yes, practice with live ammo is always needed. I laser train and its saves me time and money but provides measurable improvements. There are days when I leave the range after only 4-5 magazines. I am not feeling it or I am tired and am wasting bullets.
I shot this drill with my Glock 19 yesterday. This is an excellent drill! While I didn't get a clean score, it did show me areas that I need to practice. I'll be running this drill instead of my normal ones.
The part where John mentions MENTAL FOCUS was a big key to me. When I ran this drill today, I was doing fine, but would occasionally lose focus and not maintain my fundamentals (particularly sight picture) resulting in a thrown shot. I really love this drill.
I really like to see how others are shooting. Headed to the range later today with this drill. Please keep it up. I am an intermediate shooter and stuff like this helps.
A friend of mine turned me on to the training drills on that site, and we've done the dot torture test a few times. It's a very good training drill. Thanks for sharing. Enjoying all of your videos.
Fairly new shooter, shot this today with my Taurus PT111 G2. Such an excellent drill! Scored a 30 cold with no warm up, that weak-hand shooting is a killer! Thanks for all your vids and excellent instruction...
Ran this today for the first time and was surprised at missing here and there even at 3 yards. Excellent drill to hone fundamentals. Thanks for posting the vid and target.
Going to run through this today in a couple hours using my current primary carry (M&P Shield 9). Also going to run through it with a CZ RAMI BD 9mm (evaluating for carry) and a CZ SP-01 Tactical. So, will get some striker and DA/SA time. Will report back how it goes.
I tried this today for the first time with my 686...it's not easy, I scored a ho-hum 36 of 50. I learned that I need to work on my sight alignment with my new XS sights. Thanks for posting this, it'll be a nice way to systematize my training.
Yeah, the XS big dot sights take some extra work to line up for precise shooting like what is required for dot torture. It's one of the reasons I don't recommend them for most situations.
I'd love to try this, but I know of no public ranges in the Tampa Bay area that will allow you to draw and shoot from a holster. There is one that holds competitions, but they only allow it for the completion.
Sadly, I live in the city and practice at a range. They do not allow drawing from concealment so I practice drawing in my at home dry fire practice. Is there a work around drill for the draw from concealment portion of the dot torture?
That would be frustrating! If it were me, I would practice from the low ready since speed doesn't seem to be the focus of this drill. If "drawing " from the table, I would make sure to take my time and get a good grip purchase. Later, at home, I would practice plenty of draws (in "dry fire", making sure no ammo is present or in the firearm). FWIW, I recently picked up a book called Dryfire Reloaded by Ben Stoger and am quite surprised at how many things one can practice with an unloaded firearm. It seems to be helping me when I get to live fire train.
If I couldn't work from the holster, I'd run it from a low compressed ready, so it would be like starting at step 3 of the 4-step drawstroke. Run it like that at the range, then dry practice the full drawstroke at home with an empty gun. That would probably give you at least 90% of the benefit of running the whole thing with live ammo.
Curious... Are you supposed to have enough pre loaded mags to perform this entire 50 shot drill without having to manually reload the rounds into the mags? I don't have enough mags to hold 50 rounds between them all. Would stopping to reload the rounds into the mags ruin the effectiveness of the drill?
I've done this with a Smith 642 J frame (still can't get a clean past 4 yards). Since time isn't a factor, I just top off the cylinder between strings. This is pure accuracy and discipline, not speed.
I tried the dot torture drill today at ~3 yards and my score was absolutely terrible. What do you recommend I practice before trying the drill again? I feel like the longer time I take, the worse my accuracy is.
FlayvorOfEvil If you go too slow, fatigue and lack of focus will absolutely tank your score on Dot Torture. It's a test of endurance and mental discipline as much as raw marksmanship. What you need to work on is dependent on which parts of the drill were giving you the most trouble. Usually, if someone has a tough time even with dot 1, their fundamentals probably need some attention (correct grip, trigger press, sight alignment, etc).
This is brilliant, but most ranges I’ve visited will not let you present to shoot or do tactical reloads. Some have areas for the concealed classes, but you can only use those with an instructor. You’d figure with indoor ranges opening in major retail centers and 15M+ Americans carrying concealed we could progress past every range being setup for Bullseye competition practice.
Ok, ran through this at 3 yards the other day at the range. Humbling indeed! I have some work to do!!!! Question, is the target meant to be printed on 8.5 x 11 paper or 11 x 17???
Print on 8.5x11. Dots should be roughly 2 inches in diameter. If you're having trouble breaking 40 points at the 3 yard mark, you probably need to work on your marksmanship fundamentals. An instructor or coach is really invaluable at that stage. If you can get at least 40, your problem is more likely consistency and focus. It will test your physical and mental stamina for sure.
I painted it on a 4 x 8 foot sheet of plywood and scaled the circles to match. I even shot it at 4 yards and scored 50/50. I don't know why people have so much trouble.
@@davidmarlow1719 because not everyone is perfect like you.... some people haven't shot that much if at all. so why not give them a break? besides you changed the test ... how did you scale the circles? ... you probably made it easier by how you scaled them.
They say "familiarity breeds contempt". A corollary to that is the situation that occurs when a person "knows" something intimately they overlook the fact that not everyone else does too. This tends to apply when the "expert" with knowledge is outlining the parameters of a task or trial. In this case we have novice and intermediate pistol owners trying to improve their proficiency and Lucky Gunner has kindly obliged by presenting this series of videos with the goal of assisting in shooter improvement. But if you assume that a novice or even an intermediate knows where you are measuring from and fail to mention it you can skew the training and the progress. I noted that the download target does NOT establish where the firing line is measured from either. If one "toes the line" as at the basketball free throw line shooting a foul shot then their release may be over 2 feet beyond the line. In the context of shooting exercises such as this 3 yards = 9 feet and if my arms extend past by 2 feet the net distance is 7 feet from the muzzle to the target. A 23% difference. At 4 yards it's 17% and 5 yards it's 13%. I'm a vet and served in some pretty good units (2nd ID on the ROK DMZ and the 82nd --- 40 years ago) and I don't recall ever being instructed on the starting point for target shooting. So is it from the muzzle or the stance taken? At 3, 4 or even 5 yards a 2 foot advantage can be significant. Thanks for the good videos. Right length and good dialogue script. Thanks.
I see that I'm late to this video, but didn't see the question anywhere...Is this target on standard 8.5x11 paper? It would be a lot easier on 11x17! LOL Thanks
That would be way more expensive. If you can run the drill well with 'range ammo' and you can be reasonably accurate with your carry ammo, you're OK IMO. If you have a lot of money and think it's fun, go for it. Not everyone can blow $$ like that though.
I've shot this many times and never cleaned it; that's why it's called dot torture. I shoot from 7 yards though, and with a 3" pistol, so that makes it pretty tough.
For Dots 9 and 10, should I only have 1 round in each magazine so that the slide locks back? Or is it supposed to be more like a tactical reload with a round still chambered?
This seems like Pistol training only. I wouldn't mind seeing a rifle training video, maybe on for bolt action shooting and some targets or courses you can do to prevent collecting a flinch - particularly with heavy kicking rifles? When I first saw the thumbnail for this video I thought "Oh, just 5 shots repeatedly onto a dot on a piece of paper at various ranges? That seems a bit too easy to be called torture." Because I expected a rifle type of training video. I was mildly disappointed, to be honest, and I'm hoping you can come up with something for us blokes here in Australia. Have fun, and stay lucky! ;)
Lucky Gunner Ammo But would it help if I simulate by putting one live round and 4 empty cases in the cylinder and draw, shoot and then perfom the reload?
If anyone does the test and misses the paper, then it's time to sell your guns. 😂😂 When I submitted my application for a Rhode Island Conceal Carry Permit I had to provide proof that I have been qualified with a pistol or revolver of a caliber equal to or larger than what you intend to carry. I used my Kimber Ultra ll carry 45. The qualification is 30 consecutive shots at the Army 'L' bullseye target. The course of fire is "slow" fire allowing ten (10) minutes for the firing of each of three (3) ten (10) shot strings. The target is set at a distance of twenty five (25) yards and you must obtain a score 195 or better out of a possible 300 points. Outside on the range on a cold and windy day with the sun in my eyes, I was able to get a 245. I don't understand why the test is at 75 feet, do they think you would be engaging someone at that distance? I definitely will print out the Dot Torture target, it is great training. I will do it with both of my carry guns, a 45 and a 9mm. It will be interesting. Thanks for the post. 🤙
Waters I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was trying to show how ridiculous RI is with their requirements. And the reason I mentioned the caliper was also to make a point that you can't carry higher than what you tested on. Unlike MA, I got my LTC without any target test. Shows that there should be better standards across the board. As far as my opening comment, just trying to be funny, just like someone saying that they better not see any power burns on the paper. Sorry you don't like Kimber, I wasn't trying to push the brand, I love Kimber as well as many other fine brands. Thank God we have the right to choose, just like we have the right of free speech. Have a great day.
Dude, I downloaded the targets and ran that drill today. Wow, it's not as easy as you might think, even from 3 yards. My first score "cold" was 46. Going to run this drill again tomorrow. Thanks for what you do. One of my favorite RUclips channels.
Hey, 46/50 is not bad at all for your first try, especially cold. I tried it the other day for the first time in a while and decided to push it back to 7 yards since the last time I tried, I cleaned it at 5. 38/50. Ouch!
I'm telling you brother, I have shot many drills and this one is simple, but very effective. It made me much more aware of my grip and trigger press. Going to run another 3 yard drill tomorrow using the G26 and G17. Today's drill was done with the G43. Really enjoy your videos. Thanks man.
@@PlugNuster this sounds like a perfect target for dry fire. Master it dry, honestly and you should do ok like. This is a year old. How did you do later?
@@bobkinch5658I have shot this drill several times now, and have scored 50 a few times. Moved out to 7 yards and shot another 50/50. Funny thing is I shoot this drill better with my G26 than the G17.
I have been shooting pistols at master level since 1991. Today, I shot my first Dot Torture Drill at 3 yards. I scored 43/50 hits in the dots. I was disappointed with my results, because I know I can do better, and was having an off day. This reinforces the need to practice frequently and consistently. This is an excellent drill, and it definitely will make you slow down and work on mastering the basics of drawing, sight alignment, trigger control, and follow through. Use your skills, or lose your skills.
Red Bear Preparedness - Excellent comment. I can’t wait to go to the range again to work on this drill. The true sign of a master is the ability to take input and try something new!
Unfortunately we will ALL have off days LOL. But yes, practice with live ammo is always needed. I laser train and its saves me time and money but provides measurable improvements.
There are days when I leave the range after only 4-5 magazines. I am not feeling it or I am tired and am wasting bullets.
I shot this drill with my Glock 19 yesterday. This is an excellent drill! While I didn't get a clean score, it did show me areas that I need to practice. I'll be running this drill instead of my normal ones.
I'm somewhat new to pistol shooting, and I scored a consistent 35-37 at 3 yards, no time limit with all of my pistols. It was pretty humbling.
The part where John mentions MENTAL FOCUS was a big key to me. When I ran this drill today, I was doing fine, but would occasionally lose focus and not maintain my fundamentals (particularly sight picture) resulting in a thrown shot.
I really love this drill.
Quickly becoming my favorite drill. Way harder than you think, plus you start to feel pressure toward the end, which is always good.
Love this drill I tend to do it every range session start at 3yd clean than go to 5 and than I’m avg 48/49 outta 50
Really enjoyed your DA/SA videos and this drill for DA/SA. Cheers
You guys and hickock have the best content I have seen on RUclips, for your field of expertise
Thanks!
I really like to see how others are shooting. Headed to the range later today with this drill. Please keep it up. I am an intermediate shooter and stuff like this helps.
I am so excited about this series of videos.
A friend of mine turned me on to the training drills on that site, and we've done the dot torture test a few times. It's a very good training drill. Thanks for sharing. Enjoying all of your videos.
Fairly new shooter, shot this today with my Taurus PT111 G2. Such an excellent drill! Scored a 30 cold with no warm up, that weak-hand shooting is a killer! Thanks for all your vids and excellent instruction...
Ran this today for the first time and was surprised at missing here and there even at 3 yards. Excellent drill to hone fundamentals. Thanks for posting the vid and target.
The real beauty of this drill: even if you can only afford to burn a box of ammo at the range, you're getting real work done. Incredibly efficient.
2020 version: shoot 1 round at circle 1. Find lead, find casing - cast lead, reload.
Going to run through this today in a couple hours using my current primary carry (M&P Shield 9). Also going to run through it with a CZ RAMI BD 9mm (evaluating for carry) and a CZ SP-01 Tactical. So, will get some striker and DA/SA time. Will report back how it goes.
How did it go? 😂
I love this!
Planning to try this at the range. I love Lucky Gunner’s videos. They are very educational and well made.
Just printed up a couple targets, on my way to the range! Great training!
Tried this for the first time today with a CZ Shadow 2
at 3yds. Got 44/50 in 3:45.55. Missed one on 5&7 missed four on 8. Gotta work on support hand.
Just learned about this drill earlier in the week, and I'm looking forward to giving it a run. I have no doubt that it will be humbling, and helpful
Love this drill. I used your downloadable targets today. I get ammo from you when I CAN.
Just shot two rounds of this. It was really helpful, and it covers a lot of different fundamentals. Thanks so much for posting this!
Ballistic radio is the truth
This is a really good drill.
Awesome. Really like these "shoot better"videos.
I tried this today for the first time with my 686...it's not easy, I scored a ho-hum 36 of 50. I learned that I need to work on my sight alignment with my new XS sights. Thanks for posting this, it'll be a nice way to systematize my training.
Yeah, the XS big dot sights take some extra work to line up for precise shooting like what is required for dot torture. It's one of the reasons I don't recommend them for most situations.
They're a trade off for sure.
Huh. Never knew there was a DA/SA specific version of dot torture. Downloaded and printed!
Adam from TheGunCollective sent me. Very informative videos - subscribed.
Thanks!
Same!
Thanks for posting these drills. I am really looking forward to doing these.
Thanks to both of you Sir.
Do i have to grow a beard first?
Not if you're a woman.
failure2flinch depends if you have a chin or not. I don't, so, not too many options for me...
failure2flinch yes
You may have one before you shoot the test clean
Yes. A beard anywhere is OK - groinal area, buttal area, face, ears, etc....
Thanks for putting this out. Money has become tight for me and I've been searching for an efficient practice regime. I'm going to give this a try.
Love LuckyGunner
I just subscribed and I was sent over from the gun Collective I enjoyed the video looking forward to watching more
Thanks!
Just did this today. The off hand dot got me.
Love it, how about a video of best way to shoot weak handed
just subscribed, TGC sent me and im glad john did
I'd love to try this, but I know of no public ranges in the Tampa Bay area that will allow you to draw and shoot from a holster. There is one that holds competitions, but they only allow it for the completion.
This a great drill
Sadly, I live in the city and practice at a range. They do not allow drawing from concealment so I practice drawing in my at home dry fire practice. Is there a work around drill for the draw from concealment portion of the dot torture?
Firstttt, love your videos. I shoot this drill fairly frequently. Really provides good feedback!
Great drill, with try this weekend, thanks for posting & the links!!👍🏼
What do you do if the range won't let you draw from a holster?
Would the drill still work for "drawing" from the table?
That would be frustrating! If it were me, I would practice from the low ready since speed doesn't seem to be the focus of this drill. If "drawing " from the table, I would make sure to take my time and get a good grip purchase. Later, at home, I would practice plenty of draws (in "dry fire", making sure no ammo is present or in the firearm). FWIW, I recently picked up a book called Dryfire Reloaded by Ben Stoger and am quite surprised at how many things one can practice with an unloaded firearm. It seems to be helping me when I get to live fire train.
If I couldn't work from the holster, I'd run it from a low compressed ready, so it would be like starting at step 3 of the 4-step drawstroke. Run it like that at the range, then dry practice the full drawstroke at home with an empty gun. That would probably give you at least 90% of the benefit of running the whole thing with live ammo.
Table start, or from the ready.
Sounds like fun and a great way to drive ammo sales! ;-)
I mean... that's ultimately what all our videos are for.
i always throw the pistol into the target. With this technic i have reduced the cost on ammo about minus 100%
And here I thought you really cared about my marksmanship! LOL
It's a good drill for people with limited ammo and time though
Shawn Mitchell *I* care.
Shot dot torture for the first time today. I like this one. I am John Johnston, BTW, but I don't have a beard.
Curious... Are you supposed to have enough pre loaded mags to perform this entire 50 shot drill without having to manually reload the rounds into the mags? I don't have enough mags to hold 50 rounds between them all. Would stopping to reload the rounds into the mags ruin the effectiveness of the drill?
It's better if you can do it all without stopping, but just work with what you've got.
Get 5 10 round mags if you live in Cali.
I've done this with a Smith 642 J frame (still can't get a clean past 4 yards). Since time isn't a factor, I just top off the cylinder between strings. This is pure accuracy and discipline, not speed.
Thank you for this!!
John's face says "How can I help you, kind sir?". John's tattoos say "You don't want to anger me."
I tried the dot torture drill today at ~3 yards and my score was absolutely terrible. What do you recommend I practice before trying the drill again? I feel like the longer time I take, the worse my accuracy is.
FlayvorOfEvil If you go too slow, fatigue and lack of focus will absolutely tank your score on Dot Torture. It's a test of endurance and mental discipline as much as raw marksmanship. What you need to work on is dependent on which parts of the drill were giving you the most trouble. Usually, if someone has a tough time even with dot 1, their fundamentals probably need some attention (correct grip, trigger press, sight alignment, etc).
This is brilliant, but most ranges I’ve visited will not let you present to shoot or do tactical reloads. Some have areas for the concealed classes, but you can only use those with an instructor. You’d figure with indoor ranges opening in major retail centers and 15M+ Americans carrying concealed we could progress past every range being setup for Bullseye competition practice.
Ok, ran through this at 3 yards the other day at the range. Humbling indeed! I have some work to do!!!!
Question, is the target meant to be printed on 8.5 x 11 paper or 11 x 17???
Print on 8.5x11. Dots should be roughly 2 inches in diameter. If you're having trouble breaking 40 points at the 3 yard mark, you probably need to work on your marksmanship fundamentals. An instructor or coach is really invaluable at that stage. If you can get at least 40, your problem is more likely consistency and focus. It will test your physical and mental stamina for sure.
I painted it on a 4 x 8 foot sheet of plywood and scaled the circles to match. I even shot it at 4 yards and scored 50/50. I don't know why people have so much trouble.
@@davidmarlow1719 because not everyone is perfect like you.... some people haven't shot that much if at all. so why not give them a break?
besides you changed the test ... how did you scale the circles? ... you probably made it easier by how you scaled them.
@@s1tanner Read my comment again. Now read it again more slowly. Done? Now read it one more time.
thank you, I'm sure this will be fun
Are the reloads from slide lock? I have been doing it that way.
Do you know if there is any pointer on this drill if you are not allowed to draw at the range? (low ready instead)
Love this serious!
TGC sent me had to check you out
thanks, not sure my range will permit 3 yard firing, but will ask them.
They say "familiarity breeds contempt". A corollary to that is the situation that occurs when a person "knows" something intimately they overlook the fact that not everyone else does too. This tends to apply when the "expert" with knowledge is outlining the parameters of a task or trial. In this case we have novice and intermediate pistol owners trying to improve their proficiency and Lucky Gunner has kindly obliged by presenting this series of videos with the goal of assisting in shooter improvement.
But if you assume that a novice or even an intermediate knows where you are measuring from and fail to mention it you can skew the training and the progress. I noted that the download target does NOT establish where the firing line is measured from either.
If one "toes the line" as at the basketball free throw line shooting a foul shot then their release may be over 2 feet beyond the line. In the context of shooting exercises such as this 3 yards = 9 feet and if my arms extend past by 2 feet the net distance is 7 feet from the muzzle to the target. A 23% difference. At 4 yards it's 17% and 5 yards it's 13%.
I'm a vet and served in some pretty good units (2nd ID on the ROK DMZ and the 82nd --- 40 years ago) and I don't recall ever being instructed on the starting point for target shooting. So is it from the muzzle or the stance taken? At 3, 4 or even 5 yards a 2 foot advantage can be significant.
Thanks for the good videos. Right length and good dialogue script. Thanks.
is this on a A4 paper size? one eye closed?both eyes opened?
I see that I'm late to this video, but didn't see the question anywhere...Is this target on standard 8.5x11 paper? It would be a lot easier on 11x17! LOL Thanks
Great! Thanks!
Gonna try the dot torture this week. Any advice???
Take your time. Don't mess up.
Thank you
Is it suppose to be standard printer paper size?
Would like to see it run with duty/carry quality ammo, just to see if it has significant effect.
That would be way more expensive. If you can run the drill well with 'range ammo' and you can be reasonably accurate with your carry ammo, you're OK IMO. If you have a lot of money and think it's fun, go for it. Not everyone can blow $$ like that though.
Rifle drills when?
What size of paper should I print it on? A4?
Can you all make a DTT for revolvers?
Can you please text the new 38 special+P HST 138 gr micro ammo. Mr guns and gear tested it through bare gel at 16 inches of penetration from a snubby
Justin Miller Yep. We'll include it with some other gel testing we're planning later this year.
What size paper does this need to be printed on to be the correct 2" dots? Thank you.
Regular 8.5"x11" printer paper
Thank you.
Damn that's straight torture
Really nice video, thx! what's the holster you're using with the Beretta?
JM Custom Kydex
+Lucky Gunner Ammo thx!
Thanks
I've shot this many times and never cleaned it; that's why it's called dot torture. I shoot from 7 yards though, and with a 3" pistol, so that makes it pretty tough.
7 yards is really tough. It's meant to be shot at 3 yards and moving back is your reward for cleaning it!
Lucky Gunner Ammo I'm so used to shooting from 7 that I'd feel like I was cheating to move in. Lol. Thanks for the response and your channel.
Many indoor ranges wont even let you shoot from less than 5 or 6 yards.
For Dots 9 and 10, should I only have 1 round in each magazine so that the slide locks back? Or is it supposed to be more like a tactical reload with a round still chambered?
Is this an A4 paper?
Do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around... pretty complex for episode 1
I LIKE GUNS!
This seems like Pistol training only. I wouldn't mind seeing a rifle training video, maybe on for bolt action shooting and some targets or courses you can do to prevent collecting a flinch - particularly with heavy kicking rifles? When I first saw the thumbnail for this video I thought "Oh, just 5 shots repeatedly onto a dot on a piece of paper at various ranges? That seems a bit too easy to be called torture." Because I expected a rifle type of training video. I was mildly disappointed, to be honest, and I'm hoping you can come up with something for us blokes here in Australia. Have fun, and stay lucky! ;)
It took me a month to get over 30/50 at 3 yards. I just cleaned 3 yards last week. Then I moved out to 5 yards and sucked all over again.
Same exact thing at the city police academy
How's the px4? Still your preferred carry gun or have you found some kinks?
ruclips.net/video/9tgwmhbGWeo/видео.html
TGC sent me
DRILL LOOKS LIKE A EASY ONE...UNTIL YOU SHOOT IT!!! LOL.... THANKS FOR THE VIDEO AND THE TARGET,,,
what paper size? 8x11? thanks
Standard 8.5x11" printer paper
Will this drill work with revolvers too?
MisterGlock40 Yes, but you end up with a bunch of unspent ammo on the ground.
Lucky Gunner Ammo But would it help if I simulate by putting one live round and 4 empty cases in the cylinder and draw, shoot and then perfom the reload?
You can do it that way if you want. Kind of tedious, though.
The M9 is your current carry right?
I usually carry this these days: ruclips.net/video/9tgwmhbGWeo/видео.html
There is typically a Beretta in my bedroom in a quick access safe.
Lucky Gunner Ammo Oh right I saw that video but since I have terrible short term memory loss I forgot you even had that gun.
Great
Great vid, as always.
Will my accuracy increase with more facial hair? ;)
Yes, especially when you spend all your time on range, so you don't have time to shave.
I give it a try three times now
I suck 🤣🤣
Does sporting a beard help you shoot better?
No, but it helps some of us look old enough to own a gun.
Lol, starting with dot torture is humbling
tgc sent me
If anyone does the test and misses the paper, then it's time to sell your guns. 😂😂
When I submitted my application for a Rhode Island Conceal Carry Permit I had to provide proof that I have been qualified with a pistol or revolver of a caliber equal to or larger than what you intend to carry. I used my Kimber Ultra ll carry 45. The qualification is 30 consecutive shots at the Army 'L' bullseye target. The course of fire is "slow" fire allowing ten (10) minutes for the firing of each of three (3) ten (10) shot strings. The target is set at a distance of twenty five (25) yards and you must obtain a score 195 or better out of a possible 300 points. Outside on the range on a cold and windy day with the sun in my eyes, I was able to get a 245. I don't understand why the test is at 75 feet, do they think you would be engaging someone at that distance?
I definitely will print out the Dot Torture target, it is great training. I will do it with both of my carry guns, a 45 and a 9mm. It will be interesting. Thanks for the post. 🤙
Waters, be cool dude. Enough with the needlessly hostile comments.
Waters I wasn't trying to impress anyone, I was trying to show how ridiculous RI is with their requirements. And the reason I mentioned the caliper was also to make a point that you can't carry higher than what you tested on. Unlike MA, I got my LTC without any target test. Shows that there should be better standards across the board. As far as my opening comment, just trying to be funny, just like someone saying that they better not see any power burns on the paper. Sorry you don't like Kimber, I wasn't trying to push the brand, I love Kimber as well as many other fine brands. Thank God we have the right to choose, just like we have the right of free speech. Have a great day.
25 yards is a long ass way.
Probably because it was set up by old fudds who think slow fire bullseye shooting is the only way to shoot.
I can set target to 0 or 5 meters at my local range.
Thanks for the link. I am about to make this test my bitch....I hope.
Tgc sent me
Neee more mags