The Original Lolita’s Disturbing Backstory
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- Sue Lyon shot to fame as the suggestive character Dolores “Lolita” Haze in Stanley Kubrick’s 1964 film Lolita. But the controversial nature of the role was closer to reality than anyone knew.
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The "Mamas and the Papas ," wouldn't have been a band without the singing of Mama Cass. They treated her like dirt under their feet.
And openly mocked her.
What a lovely and distinctive voice she had!
Really!
That seems improbable as given her value to
the group but, if-so then they were bad Hippies.
You a BAD hippie....
I briefly knew Sue Lyon in the 1970s when she and her daughter lived alone in Los Angeles. Sue was a very sweet and kind person.
Her daughter has a blog. I'm pretty sure their relationship wasn't very good.
It would have been weird if a Humbert Humbert type had showed up to their house
@@TheKitchenerLeslieWhat's the name of the blog?
@@KenMcMunn-bp5xv I looked this up, starting with wikipedia. The daughter's name is Nona Harrison and she is biracial, as Sue Lyon was briefly married to Roland Harrison, a black American football player and later a coach. There was an article written in 2019 that referenced Nona's blog post, written in 2015, but the link to that address doesn't work anymore. There is also a post from 2013 on that social media site run by Mark Zuckerberg (my comment keeps getting deleted and so I am trying to write this without using any of their flagged words) written by "Nona Truth Seeker" which is still accessible and says this:
Born and raised in Los Angeles, Nona’s life began as a fairytale. She was the daughter of a famous actress Sue Lyon [ ], and a football player (Roland Harrison). Her father was absent for most of her childhood, and being a bi-racial child, she had questions at a very early age about why she looked so different from her blond hair, blue-eyed mother. But Nona’s upbringing was anything but “normal.” Her mother was diagnosed with Bipolar Manic Depressive Disorder before Nona was born. At times, her mother would be bedridden for months and Nona became the caretaker in the home. By age 12, her mother remarried, and her relationship with her mother was never the same. Nona was kicked out of her house and by the age of 13 she was taken to a halfway house. That same year her mother placed her in an insane asylum where she stayed for almost 3 months. That kind of betrayal by her mother, a woman she once idolized, broke Nona’s spirit in a way which would take years to recover from. The author currently lives in Los Angeles.
Her mother bringing her to Hollywood was like bringing a baby lamb into a den of wolves.
"Epstein's & Weinstein's" ✡️
and she wasn't / isn't the only unfortunate little girl with such a nasty fate in Hollywood, the 'legal' brothel of the art and the industry ...
Exactly
You lap up this guy's pedo fantasies
@@dadautube :)
The fact that Michelle Phillips was her closest friend at such an early and vulnerable age (for both of them) pretty much sealed Sue’s fate. Phillips was beginning to get the reputation as one of the most notoriously hedonistic, self-centered, wild and emotionally damaged girls in the Hollywood scene at that point herself. She’d have been the worst person to be giving advice on how to handle the garbage that goes along with being a young, vulnerable and gorgeous girl in that dangerous jungle. They both needed a few “normal” friends, if there were such a thing in that environment.
I heard how she and her bandmates treated Mama Cass. What a POS
She smoked weed with her DAD.
@@sum1has2 never liked Michelle. She was a terrible person from the beginning. Cruel intentions… she’s a mean girl. Poor sue never had a chance.
Michelle lived next door to my mom in West LA. She had LOTS of boyfriends. Her little girl Chyna was very cute. She had a nanny.
@@johnogrady2418 You might have Michelle Phillips mixed up with Mackenzie Phillips, and she did a lot more than smoke weed with her father, Pappa John Phillips.
She lost a parent at an early age, and her brother died tragically, she became the breadwinner for a family of six when she was barely a teenager, and she evidently had a hard time connecting with decent men. But you say her life took a tragic twist when she had to waitress?!?! WTF man. Have you never worked in a restaurant before? That’s so elite for you.
What? the youngest out of six is the breadwinner? what about her older brothers/sisters? were they all cripples or something? This would been the 1950's USA not the depression era 1930's. The 1950's, one of the most affluent times in American history.
It was tragic from the start.
For a once-promising actress, it was a major come-down. I have been a waiter and I liked it, but I had not been a movie star before that.
I ,like so many others, worked my way through university by waitressing. Agree, it's not tragic. Those jobs really worked for me, you could always find an opening, good tips, flexible hours. Hard work on your feet. A come down for a famous actress, perhaps, but not for me!
He's merely referring to the pay scale, not social status. Sure, waitresses do ok, but earn nothing on the scale of successful Hollywood actresses...
“I defy any pretty girl who is rocketed to fame in a nymphet role at 14 to stay level headed.” Sue Lyon
I had read that the reason that Lyon called it quits with Donovan was that he slipped her a hit of LSD one night at a party they were attending. Sue had never dropped acid before and had
a terrible trip that I believe landed her in the hospital. It's a shame that all the men in her life never seemed to want to properly take care of this poor girl. God bless you Sue, I always thought that you were a wonderful actress.
She just made poor choices in her partners. No-one made them for her
@@Thenogomogo-zo3un Your right. It's amazing how we (me) always seem to think that the people we admire are never in the wrong. Sue certainly was a troubled soul and many times like attracts like in relationships. It appears that yes, she did make poor choices. Still, sometimes being with the right person can make all the difference in our own happiness.
@Thenogomogo-zo3un: When one doesn’t have a good foundation to build a beautiful home on, the home has problems from the beginning and continues to disintegrate. The home could not fix itself but needed help from the very beginning.
I had heard that too. I was a big Donavan fan. Not any longer. F him.
Speaking of Michelle Philips, She Broke Sharon Tate's heart by sleeping with Roman. She was supposed to be Sharon's close friend.
Did the same to Cass Elliott
@@2degucitas Yes she did now that you reminded me.
SHE WAS AND IS A SCUMBAG.
Well, from the sound of it, she wasn't much of a friend to Sue, either, telling the world after Sue's death about the director, Harrison. Even though her daughter is close to 60, it's not something I'd want either of my daughters to hear. Some things really are best left to a person while they can tell, or let it rest with the dead.
It doesn't make it worse that he was married. Him sleeping with a 14 year old CHILD is the worst!
Should've known he was a creep wanting to make a movie about a man who falls in love with a 12 year old.
Let's ignore Roman Polanski and Woody Allen 😂😂
...and 100s of female teachers...
@@markdegloria4038 Woody Allen is innocent.
@@revealview he took polaroids of his daughter Sun Ye naked, Mia found them. He's just dad of year marrying his adopted daughter. Bye 👋
@@revealview Mia found the polaroids he took of Sun ye nude..
Another example of Hollywood's "use, abuse, discard". Says it all that a 14 year old can play this role, yet is too young to attend the premier!!! If course her resulting life was a mess. Obviously her family also used her, leaving her with no sense of self. Want to be a star, anyone!? 😣
Rhetoric questions still can be answered with the opposite of that they suggest.
So, anyone?
Yes , a lot of will say : Sure, I will.
These were desperately poor people doing their, god help us, best.
They got swallowed up by the movie-making machine.
Some get shat out sooner, some later.
That's Showbiz...
I think she had bi-polar which worsened as she aged... that's why her career never went anywhere. Her daughter had a blog which explained a lot. She wasn't a very good mother either.
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@@TheKitchenerLeslie 'bi-polar' wasn't invented when she was supposed to have been diagnosed.
Michelle Phillips was no angel, I feel sorry for Sue that she had her as her closest friend :((
She held a great many secrets, that's for sure. I wouldn't have trusted her with any of mine, personally, but I'm grateful that I didn't have that kind of life.
She didn't supervise her own daughter either.
Such a lovely, lovely young actress. The attention she received after "Lolita" reminds me of the circus around young Brooke Shields, It must be so tough to keep your feet in slippery Hollywood for gorgeous young actresses. It looks like she kept looking for love and stability with her serial marriages. A fascinating, but sad story.
Hollywood is a den of viper’s
Her talent was never realized...she convinced ME she was a "Lolita" and the name alone became iconic.
This is one of Kubricks earlier films. He wasn’t a “legendary filmmaker” at that time.
I ran into the actress in the late 1970s. I recognized her in the line opposite me at an L.A. unemployment claims office. She was petite, adorable, and was munching on a Planter's peanut bar. "Hey, you're Sue Lyon," I said, not too loudly. Her eyes crinkled and she smiled affirmatively. "What are *you* doing here?" I asked. "Same as you," she replied. Just then, her line moved up, I ran out of things to say, and I thought it best to leave her alone.
Poor girl was in a Living Hell...no direction...Hollywood is a cesspool of broken dreams...
Fantastic job...Tuesday Weld would be a good candidate too...
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Corn-fed Iowa girl comes to Hollywood to make it big. She wasn't the first, won't be the last. At least she got what she wanted, fame and riches. Always had her own money, and didn't end up drugged and homeless. Many of the PYTs were not so lucky.
What's been revealed in recent years is an indicator of what's been going on for decades in the movie/entertainment industry
Of course, the public keeps buying tickets and gossiping about what Hollywood keeps making millions making. The audience is complicit.
This feels like a ballad in real life that panders to men. Girl’s biggest tell alls are the relationships in her life.
Lolita was released in the theater on June 21st, 1962. Night of the Iguana was released in 1964.
Iam so proud to have known Sue in 6th grade grammar school. We attended Mitcheltorena street schoolnin Silverlake. She lived with her mom on Hyperion and Effie. We would watch American bandstand after school.
Thank you for covering the stories and tribulations of what some of our very famous entertainers experienced, it is only fair to them to tell their full story and not just the glamorous sides.
Were you not able to locate any photographs of her 2nd or 3rd husband Roland Harrison, the man who fathered a baby with her?
I was able to locate him easily as well as updated pictures of her beautiful daughter Nona, seeing the images helps the story to develop that much more 😊 Thanks!
I was always so interested her life after retirement from acting. She was determined to lead a private life. It seems like she wanted to be left alone for the rest of her days. Of course Lolita was an amazing movie.
I like the newer one better.
Amazing movie and an even more amazing book , which I read before seeing the movie .
@@johnogrady2418that's interesting.
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Go to sleep bot.
@@Brian_Borumore like perv than bot.
@@micheleriberdy1252that was woody Allen 😂
@@markdegloria4038 lmao!!!
@@micheleriberdy1252
100% correct, he's a perv
Woody Allen and Polanski just get a pass........
Part of the problem is that even at 14, Sue Lyon looked to be at least 20. What a shame that a precocious but still innocent young girl was taken advantage of at every turn, to the point where she kind of lost who she was. Add bipolar disorder to the mix, and it's a wonder she ever found any kind of happiness at all. Also, Michelle Phillips is one of the most self-centered people walking the earth. I question whether she was even telling the truth about Lyon, or just stirring up rumors for the fun of it.
Millions would disagree with this,she looked all of 14 yrs!
Some girls blossom early, some late. I remember at school, girls with make-up and hairdos that could easily pass for 22 when they were 14/15 years old. They could easily get into nightclubs and stuff before any IDs or such were required. Us guys the same age were stuffed really. These girls would pull guys even 20 years their senior and brag about it too.
We were no match and didn't stand a chance.
Dont really know all this stuff about being 'sorry' for these girls or that they were taken advantage of etc. They damn well knew what they were doing.
@@Thenogomogo-zo3un People Who "Peak" Too Early In Life" have problems because they also CRASH too early in life. The Lolita storyline tries to address this when Humbert later finds her, poor, bespectacled, pregnant, and frumpy (although Sue was still too attractive to pull off "frumpy"). The type of girls you mention often suffered from delayed emotional maturity, because their entire "game" was based on seduction and manipulation, after they had already lost the "tools".
15 minutes, and you didn't even mention the reason for Sue leaving Donavon was that he snuck LSD in her food/drink. What a creep!
the ending statement is what every girl without a father must learn on their own.
It's no coincidence that the blond child who flirts with Tom Cruise in EWS (most scenes cut out) looks just like Sue Lyon.
That’s Leelee Sobieski.
In the novel, Lolita is 11. In the movie she's 15. Sue Lyon looked like a college girl, not a high school sophomore, but she was excellent.
The chronological age is not really the issue. It's that Humbert Humbert KNEW her actual age, and couldn't control himself. Even if she looked 11, 12, 16, or whatever, in Humbert's mind she was "old enough" to be taken advantage of, and he could convince himself that it was morally acceptable.
I’m such a fan of your narrating style and delivery! The current onslaught of AI narration really gets under my skin, mainly due to the mispronunciation of names. Keep up the stellar work!🎉❤😊
I hate AI narration so much! The voice always puts the "wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable".
I haven't heard of many happy childhood actors, I'm sure they exist, but nobody ever writes about them
You would think there would be stories about happy stable child actors but the reason there are no such stories is because there are no happy stable child actors.
@@proudcynophile1901Ron Howard?
Bruce Springsteens song "I'm on fire" makes me cringe, it has all the connotations of PDF files. I wish the radio stations would ban it regardless of its original intent or meaning.
Hey, little girl, is your daddy home?
Did he go away and leave you all alone?
I got a bad desire
Oh, oh, oh, I'm on fire
Tell me now, baby, is he good to you?
And can he do to you the things that I do?
Oh no, I can take you higher
Oh, oh, oh, I'm on fire
so in the music video it's a woman wearing a wedding ring, noone thought until recently that he is writing about an actual child
lots of songs use little girl and mama to mean grown women..think Mama by Genesis. People use Daddy all the time in a sxual way too. You're taking it too literally
is your daddy home in co text is saying is your husband home
Let me guess, you're one of the fools that want Baby its cold outside banned?
@@gwendolenyoung4198yeah, context of the times but I heard it recently and the words sound different nowadays
I would believe anything Phillips had to say....she was a drama queen and self centred
Would? Or wouldn't?
Wasn’t she mistreated by Mama Cass and even her husband? I’d rather believe Phillips nowadays.
@@hermask815
Michelle Phillips mistreatedby Cass Elliot? Get real! More like the other way around.
If society wasn't so judgemental, vulnerable people would find it easier to cope. 😢
She realized it & left the business for good.
Except for the fame, her story is the same as told by countless women on projects and channels like Soft White Underbelly; sexually abused as a child or teenager, life gets very hard, etc.
eyes wide shut must have a original print, that would really expose some crazy stuff.
This is truly another tragic story of a young Hollywood starlet taken advantage of, abused, and thrown away. I would include in this group Sharon Tate, Natalie Wood, Francis Farmer And in the music arena, Amy Winehouse and Whitney Houston. So many of these young ladies were in over their heads and the extremely predatory and immoral men they were surrounded by, proceeded to use them in a way that was traumatizing and contributed to their poor self-esteem and vulnerability to drug abuse. They then developed bad reputations, are seen as promiscuous, etc. and that the victimblaming enSues. I truly feel very badly for Sue Lyon; some of the quotes at the very end show that she had a great deal of insight ultimately into what happened to her, Expressing regret and really cautionary words to any other young girl coming to Hollywood. Also noted is often times the parents are very much involved because they are the first exploiter putting their children to work. This is certainly true of the mothers of Judy Garland , Natalie Wood and Jody Foster, who became the primary breadwinners. I believe some of the mothers looked away, knowing that their children were being exploited in very damaging ways. Well beyond having to work overtime, etc.. Hollywood is certainly a sleazy cesspit and you can feel the energy as soon as you walk onto the studio. You may not have a name for it, but you feel it unless you’re actively looking away.
every one of the names you've chosen are tragic stories...........that have nothing to do with Hollywood!!
I can't agree. It has everything to do with Hollywood. It is a meat grinder that has drugged and adused generations if young actresses. The parents and youth may be part of the problem, but Hollywood studios were predatory, using manipulation and drugs to control youth actresses and the 'casting couch' was a known and frequent happening. @user-ov4mk9ox8y
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@@Cachtice1181 Oh, I thought it was a guy named Francis Macdonald!! No?
Michelle Phillips seems to have a lot on many famous women
Seeing as she was the youngest of 5 and her Brother suffered the typical fate (can't say or algorithm) and he left a specific message for her tells me he was a message for her to get in line. Research the horrific story of Heather O'Rourke.
Crazy how you can’t say things like OD, and yet truMp gets away h8 speech every day of his life.
Stanley Kubrick was a monster, so there is that. Everyone that worked with him lost their mind.
A monster? Everyone lost their minds? This is the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day and I live in the American south.
Lolita with Sue Lyon was released in 1962 not 1964 as stated in the video.
I was just going to post this as it is a pet peeve of mine when RUclips videos or podcasts get years wrong.
17 and the guy was 30! Crazy!
I feel sorry for anyone who had Michelle Phillips for a confident. Any man who fell for her while he was watching Lolita should have been a suspect character. I couldn't get past the cringe feeling to watch the entire movie. Did young actresses back then think they had to marry every man they had relations with?
So many tragic stories from this era. It's good child actors have some protection now, though it's still a damned hard life. Lolita was a great movie though. The remake in 1997 was absolute garbage in compassion....not sure that I'd trust anything Philips says though.
It’s a classic. And very true, it’s heartbreaking.
I noticed that Michelle Phillips again. Hmmm... She was supposedly besties with (Mama) Cass Elliot too.
I mean. Given shows and celebs like toddlers in tiaras and dance moms and Miley Cyrus and jojo siwa, it’s arguable gotten WAY worse. There used to be a documentary on RUclips called open secret about the abuses in Hollywood in the early 2000’s. Idc point blank putting kids in the entertainment is human exploitation and child abuse to say the least.
I just thought about. You can literally easily RUclips videos about the laundry list of pedophiles that used to work at places like Nickelodeon and Disney, that were only fired once they got massive backlash. Martie something comes to mind specifically and I think he’s still a child agent.
The kids that act now are still being exploited, maybe not as horrific as these cases, but abuse is abuse right?? It's still not ok!!
My neighbor's daughter is headed in that direction unfortunately, and the parents just don't see it happening😢
more than likely in the screwed Up world that we live in her parents don't see it because they don't want to
"For even the very wise cannot see all ends.” you have no idea what the future holds for someone or what your own kids are doing behind closed doors. Your son could be doing crack, and your daughter may have nut stains on her back.
Such a sad story.
This film and Ereaserhead are both disturbing for me.Difficult to get through.
Eraserhead is a disturbing movie because you are riveted to your seat, shaking your head, saying over and over "It can't get any worse." and the horror is, it keeps getting worse.
That and Pink Flamingos are the two worse films I've seen.
5:57 - She looks a lot like Melissa Joan Hart here.
It's uncanny yes Mellisa does look like her
I also see a young Patty Duke in her. Duke was a contemporary on the scene. I am a filmmaker. In the industry, there is a term that is used: "C-cubed". It is shorthand for "Cookie Cutter C*nts", an acknowledgement that all the girls look the same... there is no accounting for taste! Oh, I could tell you stories!!!
Unlike Sue Lyon, Melissa Joan Hart-- who was just as pretty-- was also fine actress, lead character in 2 classic TV series, and she has evolved into a fine TV director. She recently directed many of the best episodes of Young Sheldon, just as a for instance. Ms. Hart, at 23, experimenting with whether she could use her beauty to escape being typecast as Clarissa and Sabrina, since she was getting too old for those roles, posed for some mild cheesecake photos in Maxim, a men's magazine. Miley Cyrus tried the same gambit later and it worked. But Ms. Hart may be just too nice and normal as a person for us to buy that from her. I was happy to see her success directing. She's 48, wealthy, universally admired and liked, brilliant, a great media performer. She's a Republican and would be a great Republican candidate for the House of Representatives.
@@sanfranciscoprofessor2577 "Normal, healthy people are not successful in entertainment." - Hannah Dakota Fanning
The film is from 1962.
Despite all the social media garbage being spewed here we have no actual idea what her life was like. In the end it was her life and she made her choices. End of story.
In her interviews she comes across as remarkably intelligent and grounded at a young age. It is difficult to understand why she was so emotionally vulnerable, and unable to control that.
She was bipolar. But she was able to pull herself together for interviews. Patty Duke and a whole lot of actors and entertainers were bipolar or had some kind of psychiatric issue.
@@proudcynophile1901 Actors and entertainers have psychiatric issues??? I'm shocked!
Outside of the third world maybe, 73 wouldn't be considered by many to be a particularly "ripe old age."
The opposite of being an extremely desirable young Hollywood actress also sucks, as everyone could tell you from first hand experience. But I have no complaints, knowing people who's childhoods were terrible. Sue Lyons was certainly in a complex, hard to navigate situation.
What does it say that the cautionary symbol becomes the obsession for so many young men? I don't believe that the intervening years have changed anything.
Gee, what a surprise,........ a producer sleeping with an underaged actor!........ I'm appalled!
I was expecting Brooke Shield's name to get mentioned at some point
@@capnzilog Brooke had one advantage: her mother wouldn't let anyone physically molest her.
Not because she was a good mother, but because she was possessive. Brooke was *_her_* property!
@@ViolettaD1485Brooke's mother wasn't being protective in a maternal way at all. She pimped her out to Pretty Baby and the Blue Lagoon. Brooke's may not have been a tually touched but she showed plenty of skin in many scenes.
So sad a tragic life. No one to help women back then to navigate thru the male predators/chauvinists of the time.
It happened to Rita Hayworth, and many other women of Hollywood fame back in the day.
It’s a curse to be beautiful.
"Pretty Baby", is anothertough one to watch. If i hadn't seen a grown up Brooke Shields, i might not be able to even watch. Keith Carradine plays an amazing creep...
The other side of Fame and Hollywood
RIP 🙏🏻 Sue Lyons
I didn't recognise the name, Michelle Phillips till I looked her up after name mentioned as friend to Mama Cass in previous video. I remember watching Knots Landing and now I can put face to name, imo. Another tragic life of a celebrity, so sad. Thank you for sharing this. It is amazing how we chose not to notice anything sinister, imo. I remember laughing about the casting couch as a youngster? 🤔👵
What's "tragic" about her life? We all have tough times. How many have had the great times she has had, all because of lucky genetics?
What a beautiful smile
I am happy to see that we now have many success stories of female actresses who were previously cast in an overtly sexualized role have gone on to have positive life and career (Brooke Shields, Jodi Foster, Natalie Portman, etc.). Like they say, “Fame doesn’t change you; it just magnifies who you already are.” That goes triple for child stars coming from unstable families.
Well-put. Sue used beauty and fame as an excuse to act poorly. The women you named are of good character and used restraint to protect themselves and their loved ones from the negative forces of fame.
So u think sexualizing lil girls before they are even finished puberty for grown male entertainment is ok. These are male stories. They have nothing to do with girls or how they experience life.this is grown mxn playing puppet master with female children to groom girls into thinking this abuse is normal and to encourage mxn to carry on the sexual harassment of lil girls irl. G T F O H. None of these women are “ok”. Shields has said there were issues bc of her abuse. She was literally used to make cp for Hefner ya 🤡
@@jerryh2954 The difference here as they reported was that Sue had Bipolar disorder which tells a whole other story to her life and why she made bad choices. Of course children should not be cast in such provocative roles. That's equivalent to sexual abuse.
The problem with the quote is you’re applying it to children who haven’t psychologically developed and really don’t know who they are and they have not come to a place where their character is set and established. You’re actually hurting them as they’re trying to develop an identity so it’s particularly violent and they should not be blamed. So it goes triple against the idea. It doesn’t magnify who they already are because they aren’t already anything yet.
@@willowbranch5237 I agree with you on both points. The bipolar issue is real and when I was watching this, before they mentioned her bipolar condition, she reminded me of a time long ago when I was together with a girl for about 6 months in my early 20s, she was stunningly beautiful and could love deeply one day then be cold as ice the next. One night at a party she decided to leave me for a high school friend and ended up pregnant. I was floored, but young and able to bounce back. I remained socially friendly towards her for a time until we lost touch. Years later I heard from a mutual friend that she took her own life and hung herself from a tree in the local park. So sad. People with the bipolar condition suffer along with those around them.
One of her happier movies was "The Flim Flam Man" a comedy adventure movie with Michael Sarrazin and George C. Scott. Made just five years after "Lolita", she got second billing after George C. Scott. It was a more normal role as a young woman who was the daughter of a wealthy family who falls for the Michael Sarrazin character. I first saw this movie on TV as a teenager and I still remember her in this movie. She was just a beautiful girl and stood out like a 3000W light bulb with a radiant glow. She was only 34 when she made her last movie, really young by today's standards.
2:09 already had his eyes on her... very sus.
They never should have made this movie.
Agreed.
💯agree
The book was incredible. Weird, warped, and a wild tale.
Or at least have a 20-something woman who looks young to play the role. Casting a child in that role is a recipe for disaster.
@@jamescaron6465 it may be a recipe for disaster, but it’s part of the twisted fetish and sexual deviancy of those in power that would do such a thing. The screenwriter for the award-winning film, “Chinatown,“ reported that metaphorically the movie is about Hollywood and how at its birth, it was corrupted with deviance, and how it will always be corrupt and deviant. It’s an excellent movie and shocking. Unfortunately, when it stars Jack Nicholson and Faye Dunaway directed by John Houston, you’ve got the very types of people playing the parts who live these kinds of lives. By the way, Roman Polanski raped that teenage girl in a Jacuzzi at Jack Nicholson’s home that he was sharing with John Houston’s daughter Anjelica Houston. She knows more about the assault because she walked in on it. I may love their acting, but these people are all corrupted. Go watch “the grifters” another movie about an incestuous and criminal mother/son team. Starring Angelica Houston.
The book & the movie “romanticized” pedophilia. The experience is more horrific, than considered naughty, especially for the child. Her mother in the book, committed suicide. I also suspect for the male, that there is some disappointment, with the fulfillment of his lustful obsession.
I understand the term that you have used though I don't see anything romantic with regards to a young woman or girl being looked at as a Lolita it is another chapter in the history of mankind and the lack of understanding that they have of what it is to be a human being and that we are all created differently to bring different things to this world and unfortunately well I could go on.
I purchased the movie and watched it and quite honestly it was extremely difficult to watch.
don't get me wrong I love women they are probably one of the most beautiful things that God has created men don't understand that they were created to compliment them not be used by them...
yet men have to understand that as much as they compliment them they also have a place in his life and a life to live and share and be more than what we think they can be I believe the potential of all women is limitless...
Lolita the movie put out to the world what men can be like...😢
Mrs. Haze was actually hit by a car after running into the street, distraught over revelations about her tenant and her daughter. I guess we could say that the scandalous relationship indirectly caused her death though it was an accident rather than suicide. If memory serves, Stanley Kubrick’s movie was almost a broad comedy. I think he had to make this kind of superficial comedy to get the material past the censors at the time. The 1998 remix by Adrian Lyme Starring Jeremy irons and Dominique Swain hews much closer to to book’s tone. Nabakov has some humorous dialogue and situations But ultimately he makes it very clear that depravity has consequences; his narrator dies in prison of a heart attack. He depicts Lolita’s life as utterly ruined… She ends up dying too Due to complications of childbirth. All in all, not a romanticized portrait of pedophilia but rather savage satire of postwar American society through foreign eyes.
The true case that inspired author Nabokov was about a well regarded pastor who murdered his 14 year old stepdaughter /mistress when she became pregnant and It took a year to arrest him because nobody had believed he was capable of such a thing. But he was and claimed SHE was the seducer. Well, até least he got a death sentence.
I’m no expert in the novel, but my takeaway was that you despise Humbert because he is destroying Lolita and knows it, but doesn’t care.
Weirdly, the book portrayed Lolita as a bit predatory.
She looks so much melissa from sabrina the teenage witch
"Fancher ?" The same guy who DIDN'T write Blade Runner ?
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It just seems odd to me that she lost her father at eleven years old and that is the narrator's reason Lyon had problems with relationships when she became an adult. By eleven years old, a girl or boy has had a good parental foundation. Now, if she had been improperly treated by a male early in her life, the rationality would make sense to me.
Sue had a terrible relationship wuth her own bio daughter.
Girl's father was a prison inmate. Sue got a strange romantic thrill for these guys.
Too Sad 😔
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Kubrick, huh.
if it weren't for Sue and her look. I don't think Alicia Silverstone would..
The squared off forehead.
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The hair frames it as well.
No, she was NOT 16 yet when the movie premiered on 13 June 1962, one month before her 16th birthday on 10 July 1962
It is so sad, she never had her own life, and she was in a lot of pain. For most of her life
Im not surprised she had bipolar given that she was forced to grow up way beyond her capabilities as a 14 year old. The character she played wasnt real in any sense as it was the fantasy of the writer, of course all peedoes say it was the child doing the seduction. Lolita was a peedoes lie.
I believe her when she pinpointed that movie as causing her damage for the exact reasons she stated. As a mental health worker I can say with confidence that she would never have had bipolar if she had not been in that damn movie. Incidentally, Kubrik was always a creep.
the writer Nabokov, wasn't one and the book doesn't say she seduced him.. Humbert Humbert was a creep in the book. Read the book, "teaching Lolita in Tehran" a book written about this one the muslim world. Women that are abused relate to the book as well.
@@MicahMicahel the one who wrote the screen play
@@outoforbit00 Kubrick wrote the screenplay, but falsely credited Nabokov for more credibility.
Nabokov's screenplay was apparently like a novel. the novel's character is not a likeable guy... we think he's a creep.
We also find out another creep groomed Lolita before Humbert Humbert got to her.
we know she's a victim that has been groomed.
TEh movie itself doesn't have h complexity but it does depict everyone as a moral degenerate. His neighbours are swingers, for instance.
the book is in no way a 'sex' novel, but instead a portrait of a weirdo.
EH realizes he's a monster at the end as well and he realizes she was groomed by pDF files before he met her and kills himself out of guilt.
It doesn't make him the cool guy at all.
YOU HEAR STORIES ALL THE TIME, THAT ACTRESSES, MOST OF THEM SLEPT THERE WAY TO THE TOP, NOTHING SURPRISED ME ABOUT HOLLYWOOD, THEY USES EVERYONE, RIP SUE!
"To be pretty and to stay pretty are two different things. You can't take anything for granted, and it's foolish to think you can. You have to think ahead of how to build health and happiness. You have to learn to avoid what is going to hurt you or someone else." - Sue Lyon, 1967
Sue was so pretty!
PDF files and racism. What a life! smh
the flim flam man is one of my favorite movies.( YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN).
Once someone transitions into being a mud-shark they lose any empathy that I may have initially had for them. She was not fated to become what she was because of her experience making Lolita, Lolita only became her rationale for choosing her path.
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Lyon was in one of the worst films I have ever seen. A turkey called Four Rode Out. Godawful. She was a good actress though. Perfectly awful life, and choices.
Thank you for your invocation of Badfilm. I now have some studying to do! I have never heard of your turkey. I'm sure there are reasons for that!
@@afwalker1921 the turkey is on RUclips uncut, so you can SEE how bad it really is
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First you say the novel Lolita was 1964, then you say the movie was 1962?? Please clarify. Thanks.
She went from the girl men wanted to marry in Flim Flam Man to nobody at all. Marrying that black really moved her up in the world huh?
You have a lovely Scottish accent.
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@@moragmacgregor6792 No. He sounds like himself. A nice Scottish accent from him.
Sue Lyon was a victim unfortunately. It still goes on today in Hollywood I'm sure. Remember the Nickelodeon accusations?
if sex happened between her and the producer when she was 14, that's sexual assault, not "she had sex with him." this is some victim blaming verbiage used.
Peter Sellers was awesome, although not as great as his role/roles in Dr. Strangelove!
It was difficult for me to understand Stanley Kubrick's film entirely, but I think we all know what it boils down to. I firmly believe that if it were not for this phenomenon, the human race would have died out long ago. And what is that ? It is is what we all know, and the phenom of an irresistibly beautiful girl
She and Lindsey have a lot of facial similarities when they were both younger.
Now I cannot figure whether the Europeans got the " Lolita " syndrome from the Americans or if the Americans got it from the Europeans. And the age ' disparity ' thing, the older male with the adolescent female. Same thing. Beats me as to who started it.
Well, don't leave out the Midde East. For many, it's even justified by religion.
@@victrola2007
In United States, 40 states allow adults to marry kids.
Men, honey. Men started it, for their own gratification.
hahah.
did you see Night of the Iguana made the following year starring irishman Richard Burton and Sue Lyon.
With the King and I actress and Ava Gardner. that was worse exploitation.
remember the James Bond flick where the 14 year old figure skater was always trying to take him to bed?
it was worse.
Terribly tragic story. Primarily because Sue Lyon never found true happiness , regardless of the sordid details of her career in hollywood. Michelle Phillips' role in revealing that shocker about Sue and Harris is difficult to take seriously because Phillips is not a reliable source plus Sue had left the industry decades ago and could have revealed it back then with no professional repercussions. Lyon would have been better off with not only a stronger father figure in life but more supportive friends who were not part of the industry.