Hope everyone is doing good, me personally kind of struggling sometimes we just have to say it and I mean it. This show gives me some joy every week as know how much you guys live the sport.
I’ve been playing for 2 years and watching DGPT almost as long. This DMC tournament felt like one of the most exciting tournaments I’ve watched. Having those last holes play so difficult made me want to tune in until the end to see what could happen. Great job by Gannon Buhr designing those holes. Excited for the rest of the season. Great job Foundation with covering the sport. 👍🏼
Regarding the 'which season would a player want more' for the POY argument. Mutliple players have already said if they could pick which season they'd want every year it would just be the player who won worlds...I think you gotta stop conflating the POY with which season a player would want.
Just with respect to when you guys were talking about how long are we going to wait until Eagle is no longer “just coming back”. With the type of injury he had as well as the surgery that was performed, don’t expect him to be “fully back” for about a year. He will definitely get to 80-90% as the season progresses but it will likely take a while. Coming from a PT who treats these injuries and rehabs post-op.
You guys nailed it with Hole 16 at EO and Hole 17 at Winthrop. Hole 16 created a monumental story line in disc golf that you just don't get without the bunker rule. With this years proposed rule, AB takes a 5 and he finishes in 4th place. Granted, maybe AB doesn't finish bogey-par if he kept some momentum by only taking a 5, but you KNOW that round put a fire under his ass that maybe he wouldn't have this year. Its an all around bad decision. Golf to this day has natural island holes that dudes keep stroking until they hit the island, and its not out of the ordinary to see guys on the PGA tour take a 10 every once and a while at freakishly difficult holes. These are pros. Ok off my soap box, good take Hunt.
Answers to Calvin’s erotic travels are found in an interview on Titan disc golf steak battles. He forgot to unregister for Swedish open and decided to catch a last minute flight over. Said he was always planning to play DesMoines…
I know all the players seem to love that course and it prob is awesome to play but it seems super shredable when there isn’t wind on it so I don’t love watching it but those last 2 holes are great. Wish the rest of the course was like that. But when the wind is up it’s a real interesting course
Since ya'll don't feel a top 10 is important I made one for the people wanting one. It's an mpo top 12. I might do an fpo at some point. 1. Gannon Buhr 2. Anthony Barela 3. Calvin Heimburg 4. Ricky Wysocki 5. Niklas Antilla 6. Matt Orum 7. Kyle Klein 8. Chris Dickerson 9. Gavin Rathburn 10. Ezra Robinson 11. Simon Lizotte 12. Andrew Presnell
Also, why does Ian Anderson feel the need to say what position a made putt would put a player in on EVERY PUTT. It's so obnoxious. It's freaking hole 2 and he's saying "this putt for a 3 way tie for 5th". Who cares about that right now Ian.
So I’ll admit it was a little freaky knowing that my name is Chris, and my boss is Jon, and I know we always talk about the show after listening to it on our separate morning commutes…..
Re: European Open is the bunker hole gone because the PDGA has to protect their oh so precious rating system? If so ignore the PDGA and make it an X tier like USDGC.
Wild how Jesse is up for ROTY when he's been playing for so long. I'm sure he qualifies since he's mostly played in Europe prior, but it's still crazy. Good for him though. Totally agree about European Open Hole 16. It's what made the hole iconic. It probably is a pace of play thing but in this case I'm against the change.
That was the argument for Gannon last year cuz he had the most wins but it went to Calvin cuz of consistency! It’s fun to debate. It will be exciting to see how the rest of the season plays out
Wins are just a unique stat. What if someone you never heard of one one A tier and someone else placed in the top 5 every tournament . Wins would say...
Assuming we are talking strictly about A tiers in this hypothetical I would say “why couldn’t the top 5 player ever win” they are clearly good, but no dawg in them to be a champ. Then you’d have to think that the one win was over top 5 guy. Top 5 still probably the better player, but if you can’t make the jump then how can you be the best?
I would disagree with the baseball analogy just with the fact that the Negro Leagues were actually more competitive than the MLB versus the NTs were less competitive than the age of the Disc Golf Pro Tour 🤷🏻♂️
In a race, it is average speed that wins. Calvin is tje best until AB or Gannon win again or Calvin continues to suck. 7th is bad for Calvin. That should tell you something
Missy was not really in it. Holyn was. I believe everytime an episode comes out that the guys don't actually watch FPO, which I think is just as exciting as MPO.
I 100% agree on all fronts. I’m a Missy fan, and she had a really bad first round, but she played very well to get back into the top 10, but she was never actually in the running. All of lead card were in it. I think it’s a foundation thing ultimately. Brodie got called out for not watching FPO, and I actually do think he watches SOOOOOME, but just enough for the show. I genuinely feel like Trevor and Hunter watch clips and look at finishes and try to piece it together. I think Brodie, love him or hate him, actually tries to do some research.
Being there, Miss was definitely in it as it started to come down the stretch. After hole 16 for chase and 15 for lead cards, the standings were: Emily -16, Ryan -15, Missy -14, Ohn -14 and Holyn -14. 5 players within 2 strokes, which is nothing with 17 and 18 looming. With the lead card struggling, it was awesome looking at scores and seeing Emily and Missy pushing to match the leaders by hole 14-15.
I dont understand the decision by Calvin. If you wanna play the europe event then go play and stay in Europe. If you wanna play the des moines event then dont go to europe. Thats just insanely hard on your body, now flying back over right after. Just seems like a poor choice to me. But hey, he's got his own free will. He wants to push his body to the limit he can do that.
Look at total stroke differential. One additional win for AB is worth how many strokes? A few? Now if you look at all the times AB stunk - how many strokes did Buhr beat AB by during those? A lot more than strokes AB gained in that one extra win. I like AB, but consistent elite play is worth more than just one extra win.
I think you guys should task Edwin with coming up with the disc golf version of Bill Simmons 42 club. A stat that goes across generations and separates the good players from the greats.
great idea.. I have something I've been playing with in the background for a while now that tries to compare players across eras.. its just really hard to account for strength/size of field, number of events, etc.. but its a goal of mine
@@kingchuckfinley they were talking about how the winner and second place were young 18 and 17 and there was another young woman who had a good finish that was 20.
100%! Ian is the worse commentator in all of sports and I’ve been watching sports for 40 years, I’ve seen and heard it all. I can’t stand him and him and philo are the worse duo ever! I am seriously considering not subscribing to DGN next year if he or they are still going to be commentating.
I hope this comment section gets cleaned up. The constant hate speech toward a transgender player following the rules is wrong and I’m tired of it being one of the predominant themes of disc golf conversation online. It’s shameful and reflects poorly on the sport. While I agree that athletes should expect to get talked about online, attacking people over things like race, sex, gender, body shaming, etc crosses a line. Words do have impact. LGBTQ+ young people are 4x as likely as their peers to attempt suicide. Further, trans young people are 2x more likely than their LGBQ peers. That’s real and you should care about it. Being harassed online and watching others be harassed online contributes to those experiences. Discussing what rules people feel should be in place regarding the inclusion of trans individuals in protected divisions in professional sports is one thing, but hate speech and harassment are not constructive in any way. On another note, it’s also gross to see people disparaging other Christians for showing respect and decency.
I’m not religious. Don’t know what’s going on in the comments about that, and I don’t care too much. As far as the Natalie Ryan situation goes I find the comments extremely annoying. You go on jomez and it’s people saying “I’m not watching this and you know why….” But they’re giving the video a view and engagement. It’s so stupid and performative. What are they going to change? Be a grown up and just… not watch if it’s that important to you. But ultimately I do not understand why people even care. I do not understand this when it comes to politically charged situations. But maybe I’m just jaded and I just have the mentality of “if they’re not hurting me or anyone let them do whatever they want” but then it’s “they’re stealing money from female players!!!!” Niko is going to pay them the $30 so you’re good.
The “whose season would you rather have” is terrible. Whoever wins worlds is the season that most people are gonna want. The award is for the player of the year. And I think unfortunately that’s Gannon. (I’m not a fan)
That's it fellas, you did it trying to listen during a round of Disc Golf in so many commercials you've lost my viewership and my respect.. hope there's somebody else out there that's going to hold you accountable
Hey Michael! What is this in response to? This episode had no sponsorships only RUclips and platform placed ads which are based on the listener and we don’t control what those are. Sorry to see you go!
Sir, you need to understand RUclips before you start bashing Foundation. Any vid over 10 minutes RUclips will place ads and longer it is the more there will be. These ads are based on YOUR searches, gender, demographic, likes etc. Foundation however some times need to do a 30 second to maybe 1 minute ad read (this video didnt have one) in order to keep their lights on. Yes, surprisely your 1 subscribe, like and comment doesnt help a ton (still helps) but they need sponsors in order to keep this FREE content coming. If you want to get rid of the multiple RUclips ads, I suggest paying for RUclips premium. Also, while you are disc golfing you can turn off the screen and the audio will still play. Good luck. The more you know...
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Hope everyone is doing good, me personally kind of struggling sometimes we just have to say it and I mean it. This show gives me some joy every week as know how much you guys live the sport.
I’ve been playing for 2 years and watching DGPT almost as long. This DMC tournament felt like one of the most exciting tournaments I’ve watched. Having those last holes play so difficult made me want to tune in until the end to see what could happen. Great job by Gannon Buhr designing those holes. Excited for the rest of the season. Great job Foundation with covering the sport. 👍🏼
Agreed. When the last few holes are easy it's easy to tune out with like 4 left
Regarding the 'which season would a player want more' for the POY argument. Mutliple players have already said if they could pick which season they'd want every year it would just be the player who won worlds...I think you gotta stop conflating the POY with which season a player would want.
Just with respect to when you guys were talking about how long are we going to wait until Eagle is no longer “just coming back”. With the type of injury he had as well as the surgery that was performed, don’t expect him to be “fully back” for about a year. He will definitely get to 80-90% as the season progresses but it will likely take a while. Coming from a PT who treats these injuries and rehabs post-op.
Loved this Trevor’s Trivia. You should do it again!
This was one of the best "Trevor's Trivia" you guys ever played. Loved it!
You guys nailed it with Hole 16 at EO and Hole 17 at Winthrop. Hole 16 created a monumental story line in disc golf that you just don't get without the bunker rule. With this years proposed rule, AB takes a 5 and he finishes in 4th place. Granted, maybe AB doesn't finish bogey-par if he kept some momentum by only taking a 5, but you KNOW that round put a fire under his ass that maybe he wouldn't have this year. Its an all around bad decision. Golf to this day has natural island holes that dudes keep stroking until they hit the island, and its not out of the ordinary to see guys on the PGA tour take a 10 every once and a while at freakishly difficult holes. These are pros. Ok off my soap box, good take Hunt.
On steak battle Calvin said he forgot to let the Swedish organizers know he was not coming over in time. So basically said screw it and fit it in.
Edwin, new stat recommendation: strokes needed to have won all previous tournaments. OR average strokes behind the winning score.
I like this... let me see what I can pull
I enjoy hearing you guys talk about commentary bcuz I don't watch live
Ad read was so good I didn't even notice it
My name is John and I was on my drive home when I herd Trevor say that 😂
This comment needs more love cause that's hilarious 🤣🤣
If you watch Steak Battle with Titan Disc Golf Calvin explains why he had to go to Europe and back
"Spark in the water" is a new one for me.
How bout we give it up for the ladies beating the dude in their division?
Congrats to the two women in the top 3.
*3 women
@@samz1108 no, Logan Ryan is a male.
@@samz1108 no uterus. 🤷♂️
@@michaelmaniloff9297so a uterus is the definition of a woman?
Alright Bigot. Remain on the wrong side of history.
Emily has been in the mix pretty much all season. I think she will continue to be a threat, and her composure does seem incredible.
Jake Hebenheimer is on team Lone Star not Latitude 64..
I ran to the comments to see if anyone else caught that 🤣
Neither brand is important in the grand scheme of things.
Player of the year has always been determined by best average across the season. Who is the the best on average any given day. Wins mean nothing IMO
Exactly. It's season-long performance that matters when it comes to POTY.
Answers to Calvin’s erotic travels are found in an interview on Titan disc golf steak battles. He forgot to unregister for Swedish open and decided to catch a last minute flight over. Said he was always planning to play DesMoines…
Calvin traveling for that swedish bust. Lascivious fella.
If the season ended today, Gannon is player of the year
I know all the players seem to love that course and it prob is awesome to play but it seems super shredable when there isn’t wind on it so I don’t love watching it but those last 2 holes are great. Wish the rest of the course was like that. But when the wind is up it’s a real interesting course
I went to the last two DMC’s in person and had a great time. I agree it is a bit too scorable and I wasn’t engaged as much on live coverage this year.
Since ya'll don't feel a top 10 is important I made one for the people wanting one. It's an mpo top 12. I might do an fpo at some point.
1. Gannon Buhr
2. Anthony Barela
3. Calvin Heimburg
4. Ricky Wysocki
5. Niklas Antilla
6. Matt Orum
7. Kyle Klein
8. Chris Dickerson
9. Gavin Rathburn
10. Ezra Robinson
11. Simon Lizotte
12. Andrew Presnell
20:10 MPO discussion starts
Thank you Ezra for Dez Moinez
Ian wanted the viral clip of him calling it. I think it wasn’t out of excitement or ignorance.
100% agree about NT and ES being merged and all Majors are DGPT wins.
Also, why does Ian Anderson feel the need to say what position a made putt would put a player in on EVERY PUTT. It's so obnoxious. It's freaking hole 2 and he's saying "this putt for a 3 way tie for 5th". Who cares about that right now Ian.
Hunter was absolutely goated at half of trevs trivia
When talking about putting in ball golf, study suggest that Tiger woods ability off the was more beneficial then his ability to putt
So I’ll admit it was a little freaky knowing that my name is Chris, and my boss is Jon, and I know we always talk about the show after listening to it on our separate morning commutes…..
Re: European Open is the bunker hole gone because the PDGA has to protect their oh so precious rating system? If so ignore the PDGA and make it an X tier like USDGC.
My Trevor's trivia answer was Austin Hannum and 1 Paper Clip.
Average finish along with course difficulty would be the most accurate way to determine who is playing the best.
Gosh i want a toyota 4 Runner so bad. I wish i had a bag like that 😪
Wait, I thought Jake was on Lonestar?
Thought he was too...
If he's not, Lonestar has some explaining to do with that tour series Hebenheimer Mockingbird.
I saw Emily at the Majestic and she was on the struggle bus... I thought Ohn has this in the bag
Calvin geimburg pulling a Florida man
Robert Burridge received funds for college. Kevin Jones had a disc golf player scholarship thing going on.
I thought it was Uli..
53:15 unquantifiable greatness factor
What do you think about the comparison between Hailey King and Kevin Jones stories? Got some good wins and then just fell off
Wild how Jesse is up for ROTY when he's been playing for so long. I'm sure he qualifies since he's mostly played in Europe prior, but it's still crazy. Good for him though.
Totally agree about European Open Hole 16. It's what made the hole iconic. It probably is a pace of play thing but in this case I'm against the change.
4 wins is better then 3 wins period AB is player of the year as of right now
He’s had worse finishes than gannon
That was the argument for Gannon last year cuz he had the most wins but it went to Calvin cuz of consistency! It’s fun to debate. It will be exciting to see how the rest of the season plays out
How are we not talking about all of Hunters table hitting
Heebs is with Lone Star not lat64
Missy has won 3 times. 1 was a major.
I guessed Silas selects right finally and now apparently It doesn't matter.
Calvin was finishing in the top 5 nearly every tournament. Are we trying to determine who is the best player?
Uli says Gannon Buhr is the best putter in the world 😮
Uli is just a random guy
I’m John i freaked out
Ah yes 250, the distance I throw
Get some visuals please!!! You have them in most of the other pods…
LFG AB
it’s always Ian that calls it too early
Wins are just a unique stat. What if someone you never heard of one one A tier and someone else placed in the top 5 every tournament . Wins would say...
Assuming we are talking strictly about A tiers in this hypothetical I would say “why couldn’t the top 5 player ever win” they are clearly good, but no dawg in them to be a champ. Then you’d have to think that the one win was over top 5 guy. Top 5 still probably the better player, but if you can’t make the jump then how can you be the best?
Paige Pierce is very upset with all the drama in this video and chat.
🤣
Hebenheimer is on lone star
We got some Killers in Texas Let's go Emily
Drink every time they say, “at the end of the day.”
I would disagree with the baseball analogy just with the fact that the Negro Leagues were actually more competitive than the MLB versus the NTs were less competitive than the age of the Disc Golf Pro Tour 🤷🏻♂️
Jake hebenheimer is with lone star
In a race, it is average speed that wins. Calvin is tje best until AB or Gannon win again or Calvin continues to suck. 7th is bad for Calvin. That should tell you something
Could you say hi to me again on my next commute?
Won one
Just came here to remind yall that the best player in the world is still throwing innova plastic.
Calvin is bad ace!
You just said, "Hammes ended up winning by two over Matty O". WTF are you talking about? Do you even watch?
Missy was not really in it. Holyn was. I believe everytime an episode comes out that the guys don't actually watch FPO, which I think is just as exciting as MPO.
I 100% agree on all fronts. I’m a Missy fan, and she had a really bad first round, but she played very well to get back into the top 10, but she was never actually in the running. All of lead card were in it. I think it’s a foundation thing ultimately. Brodie got called out for not watching FPO, and I actually do think he watches SOOOOOME, but just enough for the show. I genuinely feel like Trevor and Hunter watch clips and look at finishes and try to piece it together. I think Brodie, love him or hate him, actually tries to do some research.
And I think FPO is electric. I love watching it.
Being there, Miss was definitely in it as it started to come down the stretch. After hole 16 for chase and 15 for lead cards, the standings were:
Emily -16, Ryan -15, Missy -14, Ohn -14 and Holyn -14. 5 players within 2 strokes, which is nothing with 17 and 18 looming.
With the lead card struggling, it was awesome looking at scores and seeing Emily and Missy pushing to match the leaders by hole 14-15.
I mean it was over when Emily made the putt on 18. I dont see what the issue was. Was Ian right? Yes and Emily won by three strokes.
Hunter! The competition is weaker?
Ian called 2 foot faults on commentary this weekend lmao cmon DGPT we gotta get someone new
I dont understand the decision by Calvin. If you wanna play the europe event then go play and stay in Europe. If you wanna play the des moines event then dont go to europe. Thats just insanely hard on your body, now flying back over right after. Just seems like a poor choice to me. But hey, he's got his own free will. He wants to push his body to the limit he can do that.
The Heimborg laughs at your silly human limitations.
@@bsmithhammer I guess so huh
Look, there were no ladies within reach of Emily. Good call by the commentary 😂
💯💯💯💯💯
Look at total stroke differential. One additional win for AB is worth how many strokes? A few? Now if you look at all the times AB stunk - how many strokes did Buhr beat AB by during those? A lot more than strokes AB gained in that one extra win. I like AB, but consistent elite play is worth more than just one extra win.
How pathetic is it that a grown man “MA1” can’t beat a 110lb pound 18 year old girl. It’s so sad. Down is up and wrong is right.
I think you guys should task Edwin with coming up with the disc golf version of Bill Simmons 42 club. A stat that goes across generations and separates the good players from the greats.
great idea.. I have something I've been playing with in the background for a while now that tries to compare players across eras.. its just really hard to account for strength/size of field, number of events, etc.. but its a goal of mine
You had in FPO young, young, man, young.
Don’t get it.
@@kingchuckfinley they were talking about how the winner and second place were young 18 and 17 and there was another young woman who had a good finish that was 20.
Ohn had bad karma 3rd round after yelling at Hailey about the foot fault call on her.
When did that happen?
@@samanthony8121 2nd round when Ohn shot the course record.
When did she yell at her? During live coverage? After what hole/shot? I want to go back and watch it.
@@tyler_glasgow Live coverage round 2. Hole 11. After 2nd shot.
wow, ohn straight up lied. extremely disappointing of ohn and very disrespectful to our game. ohn is a sad little woman.
Ian and Philo both need to go. And Kohling needs to quit over-reacting to every friggin' shot as soon as it leaves the player's hand.
You're 3 down after 3.
100%! Ian is the worse commentator in all of sports and I’ve been watching sports for 40 years, I’ve seen and heard it all. I can’t stand him and him and philo are the worse duo ever! I am seriously considering not subscribing to DGN next year if he or they are still going to be commentating.
agreed, ian is the worst kind of yes-man and philo is the token you know what.
I enjoy Charlie Eisenhood's commentary the most
Dez Moy-nez challenge lol
What are you talking about break.... They go to MPO and proceeded to talk about the FPO for 45 minutes.
I hope this comment section gets cleaned up. The constant hate speech toward a transgender player following the rules is wrong and I’m tired of it being one of the predominant themes of disc golf conversation online. It’s shameful and reflects poorly on the sport.
While I agree that athletes should expect to get talked about online, attacking people over things like race, sex, gender, body shaming, etc crosses a line. Words do have impact. LGBTQ+ young people are 4x as likely as their peers to attempt suicide. Further, trans young people are 2x more likely than their LGBQ peers. That’s real and you should care about it. Being harassed online and watching others be harassed online contributes to those experiences. Discussing what rules people feel should be in place regarding the inclusion of trans individuals in protected divisions in professional sports is one thing, but hate speech and harassment are not constructive in any way.
On another note, it’s also gross to see people disparaging other Christians for showing respect and decency.
Cry about it im tired of men playing womens sports
You think people have a right to share your opinion? I think it's gross you defend degeneracy and obvious unfairness in the name of religion.
LOL - if you think this constitutes "hate speech" you may have had a little too much sensitivity training. Buck up, buttercup.
you out here simping for a dude playing against women 😂🤣😂🤣
I’m not religious. Don’t know what’s going on in the comments about that, and I don’t care too much. As far as the Natalie Ryan situation goes I find the comments extremely annoying. You go on jomez and it’s people saying “I’m not watching this and you know why….” But they’re giving the video a view and engagement. It’s so stupid and performative. What are they going to change? Be a grown up and just… not watch if it’s that important to you. But ultimately I do not understand why people even care. I do not understand this when it comes to politically charged situations. But maybe I’m just jaded and I just have the mentality of “if they’re not hurting me or anyone let them do whatever they want” but then it’s “they’re stealing money from female players!!!!” Niko is going to pay them the $30 so you’re good.
The “whose season would you rather have” is terrible. Whoever wins worlds is the season that most people are gonna want. The award is for the player of the year. And I think unfortunately that’s Gannon. (I’m not a fan)
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That's it fellas, you did it trying to listen during a round of Disc Golf in so many commercials you've lost my viewership and my respect.. hope there's somebody else out there that's going to hold you accountable
Hey Michael! What is this in response to? This episode had no sponsorships only RUclips and platform placed ads which are based on the listener and we don’t control what those are. Sorry to see you go!
This man does not understand how RUclips works.
@@tonyloch8314yeah that’s the answer lol I was gonna say the same thing
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Love the ads now too guys! Boner pills...there goes the church
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Dude. RUclips is placing the ads. Also, good to see the church go.
Also, RUclipss algorithm tailors their ads to specific users, soooooo having a little trouble down there?
@@kingchuckfinley😂😂