Slone from DS9 was the perfect Section 31 character. Quiet and unobtrusive, just going about his secret business without drawing any attention to himself. Section 31 was so secret that no one below the level of admiral even seemed to know they existed. Those were the days.
The only way to do Section 31 right is to bring Sloan back (played by William Sadler), he is Section 31. Yes he died, but that's not enough to stop a character like that! Not that I'd trust the current people to do it right though, best to let Star Trek die. I'll always have my collection of tng, ds9 and voy, so I'm over it!
exactly ! they were interesting because we knew nothing about them. peeking behind the curtain is only going to undermine what came before. I'm not interested.
@@butcherjsy8Good that is how you should see it. I stopped watching this show after Enterprise with Archer. I heard these new shows are disasters. I watch old star trex on Pluto sometimes. I can't stop these people writing this new stuff I heard was trash but I can outright ban them. I consider Star Trex dead.
The real Section 31 were kinda like the assassins in the John Wick franchise. They were almost like ghosts the way they were super secretive and didn't draw attention to themselves.
It's a show about a super secret organisation, with a uniform, insignia, operating in the open. Like they say, characters can only ever be as intelligent as the people writing them.
Never been a Trekkie myself, but yea I remember watching it with my grandpa and they were more of the scary, no idea who they were kind of organization. Like a guy living in your neighborhood for five years and you don't know the whole reason he's been there is because he's deciding whether the whole street is an enemy of Starfleet kinda thing.
They cannot write or imagine what they don't know. So they always put themselves in their writing. WHY are there so many toxic insufferable woman characters these days? Modern hollywoke diversity hires.
We're a super secret organization. Nobody knows about us. SUUUUUUUPER secret. Here is your section 31 team jersey. Here is your section 31 softball uniform. Here are your section 31 Christmas ornaments. Here is your section 31 ID card. And here is your unique section 31 communicator badge. When people ask, tell them you are part of a suuuuuuper secret organization called section 31 and ask them not to tell anyone. They have a real grasp of the concepts demonstrated in the 1960s series... Get Smart. I wonder if Georgiou will have a shoe phone.
They should save their SUUPER secret conversations for the Cone of Silence! Or everyone on the bridge can plug their ears and shout while the most secret secrets get whispered between top agents…
@@justanothercomment416 Surely you aren't forgetting the magnum opus that is the Star Wars Holiday Special? 🤣 There are only three Indiana Jones movies, two Alien movies, two Terminator movies, two predator movies, one jaws movie, one Blade Runner, one 2001, one Gladiator, one Ghostbusters movie, one Shining movie.....
You must be going through a binge tour of Star Trek because I just got through watching Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan; just a few days after watching the last episode of Star Trek: The Original Series season 3. Once movie 6 is out of the way I start binge watching Star Trek: TNG and their 4 movies; then it's off to DS9 followed by voyager then Enterprise series. 🙂 I try and do a binge tour of Star Trek every 6 to 8 months.
Understanding so much if the how and WHY of TOS Trek , I can't even do TNG or DS9 . I can BARELY do Voyager . ONLY Enterprise comes close . Thank GOODNESS for Star Trek Continues , elsewhere here in Y-T .
The music of Star Trek III is 👌. Lots of deep imagery there at the end. Strangely, lots of Catholic imagery after Spock's resurrection that I got, but my dad didn't because he is not religious.
He's someone who thinks he knows better and tells the fans off with spitefulness and horrible stories. Which makes him the Kathleen Kennedy of Star Trek.
He is a failure with everything he touches, from Bayformers to that The Mummy movie with Tom Cruise that was supposed to launch Universal's Dark Universe
Exactly. The problem with "modern" trek is that it isn't star trek. Dark and gritty is not what star trek should be. Star trek should be a bright Utopian future NOT dystopian.
Because with the exception of Picard s3, it’s all gone off a cliff. It’ll take more than 7 minutes to put a dent in the huge amount of trash they’ve generated. OTOY made a beautiful memorial for a very dead franchise.
@@joshuacalkins I have to disagree even with Picard Season 3. I disagreed with so many decisions of the Story. And don't let me start with the undeserving Enterprise-G
I would argue Abrams first movie was not Star Trek either. Beastie Boys?! Great band but has no business being in a Star Trek film soundtrack. Just the tip of the iceberg.
@@sardonicspartan9343 initially on the first viewing of the ST 2009 trailer I thought 'hey not bad’. The actors for the roles looked good especially Karl Urban and Zachary Quinto but the ship and its interiors didn’t work. I saw the movie and felt I was watching something crossed between Marvels Avengers and some crazy Chinese Japanese knock off real life anime flick.
@@sardonicspartan9343 The films were already heading in the direction of Dumb Action Flick. JJ Abrams finished the job and excised all the Trek out of Star Trek.
The Kelvin trilogy, for all its many faults, is Shakespeare compared to everything that’s come since. It’s fine to dislike it, but I can’t comfortably lump it in with the shows that came after. It’s vastly superior to them.
My favorite part of the trailer was when the dude asked “how many sections would you like your pizza cut into?” and Michelle Yeoh said “31,” then everybody cried. Truly a moment.
The irony of a secret service with agents who, in real-life never knew other agents, never mind associated with them, and yet this particular Star Trek version of a, 'secret service', has them all openly going about together, all dressed in a similar way and most likely doing things that draw attention to themselves under the guise of investigating.
I've been watching episodes from the five "Star Trek" TV series on the MeTV-owned "Heroes and Icons" channel. "Star Trek: Enterprise" episodes that looked so-so during the original run now shine like a lighthouse on a "dark and stormy night" compared to "modern star trek."
One of the key points of the original section 31 is that it wasn't just classified but was illegal outright. It was heavily implied that it was a rouge operation that occasionally a few admirals and other staff would turn a blind eye to them.
The 80s cop comedy "Sledge Hammer" had a recurring character he was one of Det. Hammer's "secret" informers. They would always meet in crowded places and they guy would keep shushing Hammer and yelling at him not to look at him even though he would right out in the open. He'd be great for 31.
@@CliffordBruner At this point the JJ stuff is so much better than everything since that I can’t group them together. He was the gateway to the new ‘trek’ though, so in some ways he deserves a ton of credit for wrecking the franchise with his underlings and “no love or knowledge required” approach to stewardship.
The sets are dark because they don't want to build them out. Pretty simple stuff. Makes the resulting product look off and cheap but the CFO doesn't care so long as his bonus check clears.
Star Trek was inspired by WW2 naval warfare and 60's style idealism. Modern writers can't grok it, so they do stuff like this instead. Take it or leave it's not Trek, and won't ever be Trek.
Isn't that Star Wars that you are thinking of? I always thought Star Trek was inspired by the stories of Horatio Hornblower naval warfare but in space. I am not certain though.
@@PunksterOS The referral to "WW2 naval warfare" refers (I think) specifically to the episode "Balance of Terror", in which the Enterprise plays cat-and-mouse with a Romulan ship. The episode was a futuristic version of the movie "The Enemy Below", in which an American vessel and a German U-boat play the same cat-and-mouse game.
"It STINKS!" -Jay Sherman, The Critic Jay Sherman: "I will now spin the wheel to see which medical condition I'd rather have than watch this slop." *Spins wheel* "And the winner is... Spastic Colon!"
This movie is default Kurtzman: dark lighting, dark clothes, dark characters. It seems that if he isn't reminded every 5 minutes by the fans that we want Trek to be like it was in the Golden Age, then he immediately returns to those default settings.
That Reunification 8 minute short film with had a far better dialogue than anything I have seen from this Section 31 dreck. When are we getting a *_Deus v Machina - A Cody Stockton Mystery_* adaptation for mOdErN aUdIeNcEs?
How about never, mainly because it is a really good, fascinating novel which brings in new characters and new ideas which people don't want. They want to retread the old Cash Cow (except that that doesn't work anymore.) But hey, I'd like to see that - the Cody Stockton Mystery Deus v Machina - but I doubt I ever will.
@@WillCamx The dialogue was far more believable and authentic. Section 31 is just embarrassing, at least it should be but sadly, those who worked on it and think what they are doing is in anyway Star Trek, probably cannot get embarrassed because they already disappeared up their own @R53 many years ago.
Yep. The problem is that most sci-fi is dystopian and Star Trek was the franchise that bucked the trend and gave us a more hopeful version of the future where humanity has evolved beyond such things as intolerance and selfishness. Modern writers don’t care about that and have made the franchise just as blah as everything else.
Gene Roddenberry is spinning so fast in his grave he’s becoming a gyroscope. The rectal cancer that is Alex Kurtzman and crew is still eating away at the corpse of Star Trek.
I am not so sure. He was pretty liberal for his time on this earth. He hated religion, hated capitalism, a big womanizer, and he loved socialist. He did have hope for a brighter future, but his vision was very much left of center.
Remember when we were mad the Borg got nerfed for Voyager and First Contact? Or when Enterprise gave the Romulans cloaking tech a century early? Or when Kelvin completely ruined literally every culture and piece of technology in existence? yeah, I want those good times back too 😢
@@Johnston212 nah i wasnt alive yet actually, but when i learned about them, kinda. The entire point of the borg was that destroying any one borg wouldn't end the collective, yet both FC and VOY use the queen to do that and have the queen make some very stupid decisions.
Looking back at Enterprise, i feel like I owe Rick Berman a lot of apologies because I really disliked it but having watched it online in the last few years, I enjoyed it, despite its many flaws. At least it was Star Trek, I am not sure what this new stuff is supposed to be.
@@PunksterOS Just because the current day garbage makes older mediocre Trek look good does not mean it now deserves a pass. We correctly judged it by the standards of TOS, TNG and DS9 at the time. It was left wanting. It is still left wanting. We deserve better then mediocre Trek at best. We deserve the best, or nothing. Never settle for anything but the best or mediocre slop is all you will ever get.
Here's how to do Section 31. Show Section 31 from Section 31's perspective and portray them as Starfleet officers, not moustache twirling villains. Show their side of a story in which the Federation is facing a serious threat and how and more importantly why they deal with it in the manner they do, exploring their motivations for believing the ends justify the means, and you do it in a _single_ episode where you allow the audience to draw their own conclusions whereupon the fandom will debate the merits of each side on Reddit, generating buzz for the show. Are Section 31 a few good men? Or a few misguided men? That's how Trek is meant to be made.
I don't consider Discovery canon and I will not give this my time , Trek is dead to me , we'll always have old Trek to look back on, just who the hell is this new crap made for.
"Omg, people REALLY liked Picard 3, they want Legacy, ... well, lets do the complete opposite, lets go dark and cringy, cause thats what they hate the most!"
And we all find out that Seven was originally born a male and that the Borg Collective gave Seven a Sex Change Operation when Seven was assimilated as a young boy.
They've never worked with people doing street level covert work. Know what they look like? A guy on his way to a baseball game, a guy getting parts for his motorcycle, the guy on the corner with a "will work for food sign" or in other words, just random people.
I've just accepted the fact modern Hollywood no longer makes programming for people like me. Once you do that, you will avoid disappointment and turn to apathetic acceptance.
The problem is that the first two letters are wildly inapt when expanded out past the first letter. It's not Star Trek. It should instead be called, simply: "shite."
The CIA equivalent in Star Trek would be Starfleet Intelligence. Section 31 is a top secret Black Ops division probably within Starfleet Intelligence or even within the Starfleet Science branche. I would think Section 31 consists of handpicked officers who are ready to pull off "In the Pale Moonlight" on a daily basis.
Section 31 isn't a part of ANY Starfleet or Federation organization. It was a self made group who used the section 31 clause in the original Federation charter to form a shadow cabal dedicated to protecting the federation no matter what. Because the Federation is an idealist nation, but "the enemy" isn't so to combat the dirty, underhanded, horrific, monsters who would see it all burn, they do their work so no one knows there was an issue. Case in point, the Founders, there was almost no way to win the war, except maybe genocide. Most Federation would never allow that, no part of Starfleet Intelligence or Federation comity discussed it, this group decided it was necessary. They would never say they are Section 31, or bring it up ever because that would defeat the purpose. To make the pure Ideal of the Federation achievable in an uncaring and dirty universe. Regular people from all over the Federation, who will rise up to do what's needed and then go back to work like nothing happened.
@@dakotaravenwood7755 Yes. That is Section 31. Maybe the idea of Section 31 doesn't sit well with some of the fan base, but at least DS9 had the respect for the source material that such an organization would not be tolerated officially by Starfleet. Section 31 would be crushed if Starfleet were ever forced to offically recognize it. (And then S31 would probably go deep underground and "sleep" until it was safe to operate again.)
@chadnine3432 Exactly! The ideas would be abhorrent to the majority of the Federation, hence their utmost secrecy. The only reason we know about them at all is an operative misjudged Bashir and couldn't make the entire command crew of DS9 disappear. I agree that it's out there for Trek and would love to see more Starfleet and Klingon Intelligence Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order focused episodes. It make sense there would be a Secrion 31 and a good series could be SI trying to hunt 31.
@@dakotaravenwood7755 Of course Federation would never allow that. That's why it's Top Secret. That's the very nature of Intelligence Agencies. They are doing illegal stuff like spying on others or blackmailing or even assassinating others. That's called covered ops. No gouverment would ever admit it but it's part of the game. Hell, Star Fleet is spying on other culteres on daily basis. They impersonate members of alien societies to get Intel on them. Sisko, Worf and Odo disguised themselves as Klingons to take out a Founder. Picard, Worf and Crusher infiltrated a cardassian facility to destroy a potential threat. That's the game.
I am making my way through the TOS season 1 and am enjoying it thoroughly despite the campy 60’s elements. It was a smart, well-acted series that has no business holding up as well as it does. If you think of the TOS as a play about people in the 23rd century, it helps immensely. And just last week, I watched ST:III for the first time in decades. It holds up VERY well! The practical effects were fantastic! Very few visual elements looked dated. And chef’s kiss to the story (not perfect, but very very meaningful and highly engaging even after 40 years since its release). Btw, what was this video about again? Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention. The video footage was so dark I couldn’t see anything except for Cullen 😂
I’ll always hold TOS close to my heart. It’s probably the most variable in terms of quality of the five shows, but its good episodes are exceptional. I was always unloving of ST3 as well, but it’s pretty decent. The scene where they steal the Enterprise still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. “I’d be grateful, Admiral, if you’d give the word” …
@@CliffordBruner Star Trek was very expensive to make back in the 1960's. My guess is if they had more money and the technology, they would have done space scenes similar the upgraded Star Trek: TOS available now. One glaring example is the Dooms Day Machine - the Constellation used for the space scenes was an AMT model and it looked terrible shaking on the stand shot from the rear. Other scenes show cubes rotating in space to represent a space ship etc. I know people prefer the original graphics but not me. And yes, I watch TOS in the sixties as a kid when it was originally aired. The 3rd season was moved into a time slot that was too late and past my bedtime.
An animated show about Riker's exploits as captain of the Titan would be a better idea than Section 31; we got a taste of it in Lower Decks, and I know everyone in my household would watch 7 seasons based on the snippet that we did get.
There was a Backyardigans episode that was a kids' Star Trek that they called Garbage Trek. No joke. It was pretty good, the music even slapped. It's probably way better than this Garbage Trek.
It might be just time to accept that the 90s were a special time. It's not just Star Trek that has gone to shit. Maybe modern Hollywood just isn't capable of making good lighting in a scene anymore lol
The answer to your question is NO. Kurtzman doesn't care what fans want because he is a soulless HACK. Section31 will be forgotten by Star Trek fans the second it premiers. I know I won't be watching it.
I keep saying, Dave should NEVER have supported Pukehard Season 3. It's success helped revitalize and renew Kurtzman Trek. You reap what you sow. Give them a win, ANY win, not even one of their own making, and they quintuple down their efforts to make more garbage Trek.
I would would rather watch Janeway and Paris turn into lizards on repeat for 12 hours, then watch new trek. I did watch a few episodes of strange new world, but I never made it as far as the signing episode lol.
This looks like garbage. But then, all of new Trek has been except maybe season 3 of Picard. Be nice if they started producing stuff for the ST fans again instead of themselves.
I watched the first two seasons of Star Trek Discovery...there where one and a half watchable episodes and that was being generous. The third season of Picard was watchable...everything else was drivel and nonsense
I think i remember watching season 1 of SNW. Can't remember if I did 2 or not. Its like they were straining not to fuck it up. Then I heard about the musical episode. 😂😂😂 The only reason I even have P+ now is that its part of my Walmart membership so it's free. Which means that Paramount and Alex Kurtzman is not getting my money and I can at least watch the classic Trek reruns.
I left Dysentery for good when they made Harry Mudd a frigging murdering psychopath. Picard season 3 had only one good episode and that was the one with Ro laren. Michelle Forbes gave a great final performance of the character and even Stewart found his consciousness in that episode....but hey, Rafi is now a ninja warrior which is so Star Trek.
@@nunyabizness6595 Season 2's Musical Episode jumped the shark for me. I was done with SNW after that. Plus that view screen on the Enterprise bridge is way too big. It should have a smaller rectangular shape like it did on TOS.
@@mikavirtanen7029 I'm surprised that they have not had an episode where they discover Captain Archer's dog (Porthos) in some type of Stasis 100 years later on SNW.
They say “write what you know” but here, they should write what people want to know. Side note, Michelle Yeoh was in _Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2_ as Aleta Ogord.
Star Trek d1ed after 'Star Trek Nemesis'. When you had the gay ship called Discovery do what gays do, flip/dance around, a mutiny on a so-called Federation ship, a female with a male name start the KlingOrc war, all interest was over for me for one of the greatest American scifi shows and entertainment. Bring back the Orville please
Modern Section 31 reminds me of the Transformers fan club when I was a child in the 1980s: STARS - the Secret Transformers Autobot Rescue Squad. Becoming a paying member meant you got a badge so you could 'tell all your friends you're a STARS member!' As a youngster, I immediately noticed the issue with it being 'secret' yet telling everyone. Kind of like the top secret Section 31 having their own badges!! :D
"You said that she was gonna do the face-punching!". The days of Star Trek being associated with thought-provoking, intriguing high-shelf dialogue are long gone.
One big problem with the idea of a Section 31 is the claim it was there from the begining, thats a total CROCK! However, by the time we hit DS9, I could see its need due to the Founders.
The phrase 'It's dead Jim'. Has never been more true.
it will be even more dead the next time
Isn't it "'She's' dead Jim."
It's worse than dead.......IT'S BRAIN IS GONE!!!
Very dead
You cannae change the laws of physics.
Slone from DS9 was the perfect Section 31 character. Quiet and unobtrusive, just going about his secret business without drawing any attention to himself. Section 31 was so secret that no one below the level of admiral even seemed to know they existed. Those were the days.
The only way to do Section 31 right is to bring Sloan back (played by William Sadler), he is Section 31. Yes he died, but that's not enough to stop a character like that! Not that I'd trust the current people to do it right though, best to let Star Trek die. I'll always have my collection of tng, ds9 and voy, so I'm over it!
exactly ! they were interesting because we knew nothing about them. peeking behind the curtain is only going to undermine what came before. I'm not interested.
@@butcherjsy8Good that is how you should see it. I stopped watching this show after Enterprise with Archer. I heard these new shows are disasters. I watch old star trex on Pluto sometimes. I can't stop these people writing this new stuff I heard was trash but I can outright ban them. I consider Star Trex dead.
Not trek or 31 but bester from Babylon 5 served the same purpose and bailed that role to a t
The real Section 31 were kinda like the assassins in the John Wick franchise. They were almost like ghosts the way they were super secretive and didn't draw attention to themselves.
It's a show about a super secret organisation, with a uniform, insignia, operating in the open. Like they say, characters can only ever be as intelligent as the people writing them.
There's a big problem with making a new trek section 31 show.. In new trek, starfleet already acts like section 31...
Hey! It worked so well for SHIELD in Captain Marvel!🤣Plus SHIELD had coffee mugs!
It's also been done before, it was called "Torchwood" and it was mostly awful. Section 31 represents everything Roddenberry was against in Star Trek.
Never been a Trekkie myself, but yea I remember watching it with my grandpa and they were more of the scary, no idea who they were kind of organization. Like a guy living in your neighborhood for five years and you don't know the whole reason he's been there is because he's deciding whether the whole street is an enemy of Starfleet kinda thing.
Spot on. And lord knows these writers have the intelligence of the library paste they likely ate in school.
The bleak darkness of NuTrek reflects the internal bleak darkness of the writers...
They cannot write or imagine what they don't know. So they always put themselves in their writing. WHY are there so many toxic insufferable woman characters these days? Modern hollywoke diversity hires.
With an extra layer of actual darkness on top, just in case.
The internal DARKNESS of _ALL_ *WOKE* !
Came here to say the same thing.
Faux Trek. Nu Trek implies Star Trek.
We're a super secret organization. Nobody knows about us. SUUUUUUUPER secret. Here is your section 31 team jersey. Here is your section 31 softball uniform. Here are your section 31 Christmas ornaments. Here is your section 31 ID card. And here is your unique section 31 communicator badge. When people ask, tell them you are part of a suuuuuuper secret organization called section 31 and ask them not to tell anyone. They have a real grasp of the concepts demonstrated in the 1960s series... Get Smart. I wonder if Georgiou will have a shoe phone.
"I wonder if Georgiou will have a shoe phone."😄👍
...don't forget lunchbox and fountain drink from McDonald's.
They should save their SUUPER secret conversations for the Cone of Silence! Or everyone on the bridge can plug their ears and shout while the most secret secrets get whispered between top agents…
Couldn't stop laughing at that one
@@skylx0812 Oh and the Section 31 Flamethrower, for the kids.
"Bones...can you... REVIVE... this franchise?!"
"Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker!"
My soul weaps for Star Trek. Please, let it rest in peace. 😢
And Star Wars, and Doctor Who.....
I'm sure your soul also weeps.
Why would we weep? There is only the original series & TNG.
@@councilofkarens729 There are only three star wars movies.
@@justanothercomment416 Surely you aren't forgetting the magnum opus that is the Star Wars Holiday Special? 🤣 There are only three Indiana Jones movies, two Alien movies, two Terminator movies, two predator movies, one jaws movie, one Blade Runner, one 2001, one Gladiator, one Ghostbusters movie, one Shining movie.....
Section 31: The most overt covert agency in history.
Putting thr "overt" in "covert".
"The most official unofficial Splinter Cells."
Don't worry, they constantly shush people not to talk. That way they keep everything secret.
As covert as Bond, James Bond!
I binged the original 6 movies over the weekend. Thats real Trek
You must be going through a binge tour of Star Trek because I just got through watching Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan; just a few days after watching the last episode of Star Trek: The Original Series season 3. Once movie 6 is out of the way I start binge watching Star Trek: TNG and their 4 movies; then it's off to DS9 followed by voyager then Enterprise series. 🙂 I try and do a binge tour of Star Trek every 6 to 8 months.
Understanding so much if the how and WHY of TOS Trek , I can't even do TNG or DS9 . I can BARELY do Voyager . ONLY Enterprise comes close . Thank GOODNESS for Star Trek Continues , elsewhere here in Y-T .
The music of Star Trek III is 👌. Lots of deep imagery there at the end. Strangely, lots of Catholic imagery after Spock's resurrection that I got, but my dad didn't because he is not religious.
Alex Kurtzman has a death grip on that IP. Wish he’d realize he sucks and let someone else have a go.
He's too stuck up and prideful to see his own shittiness.
Or a convenient bus would just happen to come along.
He's someone who thinks he knows better and tells the fans off with spitefulness and horrible stories.
Which makes him the Kathleen Kennedy of Star Trek.
Matalas had a go and actually did a much better job. Which is why Kurtzman hated it.
He is a failure with everything he touches, from Bayformers to that The Mummy movie with Tom Cruise that was supposed to launch Universal's Dark Universe
They talk about Michelle Yeoh as if she's as important to Star Trek as Leonard Nimoy or Shatner, as she deserves her own spin off! It's all just shit!
Lol, they are delusional.
Probably the same delusional thinking that made Disney think they could build a new Trilogy around Rey Palpatine. Because they have nothing else left.
Who?
Is she that ageing asian actress that seems to be in everything lately?
@@WillCamx😂😂
Exactly. The problem with "modern" trek is that it isn't star trek. Dark and gritty is not what star trek should be. Star trek should be a bright Utopian future NOT dystopian.
Star Trek was ALWAYS about bitter recovering addict lesbian dropping F bombs and murdering people with knives, bigot. 😑
Exactly.
They did the same with James Bond too. The newer Craig stuff is a fun action watch but it has nothing to do with the original Bond universe.
OTOY Unification did more to repair the franchise in 7 minutes than Paramount has been able to do in a decade.
Because with the exception of Picard s3, it’s all gone off a cliff. It’ll take more than 7 minutes to put a dent in the huge amount of trash they’ve generated. OTOY made a beautiful memorial for a very dead franchise.
That was the end of Star Trek. The book is finally closed. This stuff since the reboot in 2009 is just scifi that stole the name.
@@mistermr.6938there is no sci in there at all.
and with not a word said.
@@joshuacalkins I have to disagree even with Picard Season 3.
I disagreed with so many decisions of the Story.
And don't let me start with the undeserving Enterprise-G
Star Trek hasn't been Star Trek since JJ's first movie.
I agree but JJ Trek as bad as it is, is still better than NuTrek.
I would argue Abrams first movie was not Star Trek either. Beastie Boys?! Great band but has no business being in a Star Trek film soundtrack. Just the tip of the iceberg.
@@sardonicspartan9343 initially on the first viewing of the ST 2009 trailer I thought 'hey not bad’. The actors for the roles looked good especially Karl Urban and Zachary Quinto but the ship and its interiors didn’t work. I saw the movie and felt I was watching something crossed between Marvels Avengers and some crazy Chinese Japanese knock off real life anime flick.
@@sardonicspartan9343 The films were already heading in the direction of Dumb Action Flick. JJ Abrams finished the job and excised all the Trek out of Star Trek.
The Kelvin trilogy, for all its many faults, is Shakespeare compared to everything that’s come since. It’s fine to dislike it, but I can’t comfortably lump it in with the shows that came after. It’s vastly superior to them.
My favorite part of the trailer was when the dude asked “how many sections would you like your pizza cut into?” and Michelle Yeoh said “31,” then everybody cried. Truly a moment.
My favorite part of the trailer, is the end.
I disagree. I think it was Michelle Yeoh asked "Are we some sort of........ Section 31?"
It’s Section 31 time!!! 😒
It's a very broken world which thinks that to be "smart" and "sophisticated" one has to be dark and dystopian.
The irony of a secret service with agents who, in real-life never knew other agents, never mind associated with them, and yet this particular Star Trek version of a, 'secret service', has them all openly going about together, all dressed in a similar way and most likely doing things that draw attention to themselves under the guise of investigating.
looks more like "The Chronicles of Riddick" than any Trek i have ever seen
It doesn’t help I happened to watch TNG’s The Measure Of A Man this morning. The gulf in quality is massive.
Nu trek has no morality
@@Bow-to-the-absurd This is a reflection on the values of people being hired as writers.
I've been watching episodes from the five "Star Trek" TV series on the MeTV-owned "Heroes and Icons" channel. "Star Trek: Enterprise" episodes that looked so-so during the original run now shine like a lighthouse on a "dark and stormy night" compared to "modern star trek."
One of the key points of the original section 31 is that it wasn't just classified but was illegal outright. It was heavily implied that it was a rouge operation that occasionally a few admirals and other staff would turn a blind eye to them.
The 80s cop comedy "Sledge Hammer" had a recurring character he was one of Det. Hammer's "secret" informers. They would always meet in crowded places and they guy would keep shushing Hammer and yelling at him not to look at him even though he would right out in the open.
He'd be great for 31.
Was watching that recently, hadn't seen it since I was a kid - man, that humor, actual humor, has been banned by HollyweirdLand.
I applaud you for referencing a great short lived cult show from my youth.
I would build a reverse silencer for my phaser and call it a loudener
Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
Starfleet is facing a threat like nothing before, again
And that threat is Kurtzman.
A new virus, worse than any before threatening mankind: woke.
"Somehow, the threat to Starfleet returned"
@@joshuacalkins And JJ Abrams as well.
@@CliffordBruner At this point the JJ stuff is so much better than everything since that I can’t group them together. He was the gateway to the new ‘trek’ though, so in some ways he deserves a ton of credit for wrecking the franchise with his underlings and “no love or knowledge required” approach to stewardship.
The sets are dark because they don't want to build them out. Pretty simple stuff. Makes the resulting product look off and cheap but the CFO doesn't care so long as his bonus check clears.
Star Trek was inspired by WW2 naval warfare and 60's style idealism. Modern writers can't grok it, so they do stuff like this instead. Take it or leave it's not Trek, and won't ever be Trek.
Isn't that Star Wars that you are thinking of? I always thought Star Trek was inspired by the stories of Horatio Hornblower naval warfare but in space. I am not certain though.
@@PunksterOS The referral to "WW2 naval warfare" refers (I think) specifically to the episode "Balance of Terror", in which the Enterprise plays cat-and-mouse with a Romulan ship. The episode was a futuristic version of the movie "The Enemy Below", in which an American vessel and a German U-boat play the same cat-and-mouse game.
@@mnirwin5112 Ah, righto, now that you mention it, I do recall hearing about that. Great episode of Trek, that is.
Star Trek is Socialism. People just don't get it.
How dare you. Several of them have played Call of Duty! (on journalist mode, of course)
"It STINKS!"
-Jay Sherman, The Critic
Jay Sherman: "I will now spin the wheel to see which medical condition I'd rather have than watch this slop." *Spins wheel* "And the winner is... Spastic Colon!"
Perfect 👌
This movie is default Kurtzman: dark lighting, dark clothes, dark characters. It seems that if he isn't reminded every 5 minutes by the fans that we want Trek to be like it was in the Golden Age, then he immediately returns to those default settings.
That Reunification 8 minute short film with had a far better dialogue than anything I have seen from this Section 31 dreck.
When are we getting a *_Deus v Machina - A Cody Stockton Mystery_* adaptation for mOdErN aUdIeNcEs?
How about never, mainly because it is a really good, fascinating novel which brings in new characters and new ideas which people don't want. They want to retread the old Cash Cow (except that that doesn't work anymore.) But hey, I'd like to see that - the Cody Stockton Mystery Deus v Machina - but I doubt I ever will.
Dialogue was delivered better too.
Lol it had more soul in 5 minutes than 5 seasons of discovery 😂
@@WillCamx The dialogue was far more believable and authentic. Section 31 is just embarrassing, at least it should be but sadly, those who worked on it and think what they are doing is in anyway Star Trek, probably cannot get embarrassed because they already disappeared up their own @R53 many years ago.
there is no dilogue in that 🤡
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Think of these as training films. They're conditioning us to accept the real dystopia when it arrives.
Yep. The problem is that most sci-fi is dystopian and Star Trek was the franchise that bucked the trend and gave us a more hopeful version of the future where humanity has evolved beyond such things as intolerance and selfishness. Modern writers don’t care about that and have made the franchise just as blah as everything else.
Gene Roddenberry is spinning so fast in his grave he’s becoming a gyroscope.
The rectal cancer that is Alex Kurtzman and crew is still eating away at the corpse of Star Trek.
He's spinning so fast he's causing poleshift.!
I am not so sure. He was pretty liberal for his time on this earth. He hated religion, hated capitalism, a big womanizer, and he loved socialist. He did have hope for a brighter future, but his vision was very much left of center.
He's spinning so fast that we could use him to power warp drive.
Luckily J.R.R. Tolkien is spinning in the opposite direction, so they cancel each other out.
Remember when we were mad the Borg got nerfed for Voyager and First Contact?
Or when Enterprise gave the Romulans cloaking tech a century early?
Or when Kelvin completely ruined literally every culture and piece of technology in existence?
yeah, I want those good times back too 😢
You got mad about Voyager and First Contact?
@@Johnston212 nah i wasnt alive yet actually, but when i learned about them, kinda. The entire point of the borg was that destroying any one borg wouldn't end the collective, yet both FC and VOY use the queen to do that and have the queen make some very stupid decisions.
Nutrek is unwatchable.
Shaka, when the walls fell
That's exactly why nobody watches it.
It’s worse than that it’s dead Jim! Dead Jim! Dead Jim! It’s worse than that it’s dead Jim! dead Jim! dead!
Tune!!! :D
@@workingZen There's Klingons on the starboard bow, scrape 'em off Jim!
Ye canna change the laws oh physics, laws oh physics, laws oh physics. Ye canna change the laws oh physics, laws oh physics Jim.
There's Klingons on the Starboard bow, Starboard bow Jim
Its life Jim, but not as we know it
Nah. It's not a poor man's Guardians of the Galaxy. It's more like The Fast and the Furious in space. 😆
Star Trek died after Enterprise and Nemesis
Looking back at Enterprise, i feel like I owe Rick Berman a lot of apologies because I really disliked it but having watched it online in the last few years, I enjoyed it, despite its many flaws. At least it was Star Trek, I am not sure what this new stuff is supposed to be.
@@PunksterOS Just because the current day garbage makes older mediocre Trek look good does not mean it now deserves a pass. We correctly judged it by the standards of TOS, TNG and DS9 at the time. It was left wanting. It is still left wanting. We deserve better then mediocre Trek at best. We deserve the best, or nothing. Never settle for anything but the best or mediocre slop is all you will ever get.
@@PunksterOSEnterprise is unrated
The JJ movies are actually good in their own way. Disco was the real beginning of the end.
Star Trek went into a coma with Voyager.
Then JJ stuck a dagger in it's heart and that was the end of it.
‘I think I’m going to have a heart attack and die from NOT surprise!’
- Iago, Aladdin
Modern Trek is like nuclear waste. Avoid contact at all costs unless you're an expert in dangerous waste.
Here's how to do Section 31. Show Section 31 from Section 31's perspective and portray them as Starfleet officers, not moustache twirling villains. Show their side of a story in which the Federation is facing a serious threat and how and more importantly why they deal with it in the manner they do, exploring their motivations for believing the ends justify the means, and you do it in a _single_ episode where you allow the audience to draw their own conclusions whereupon the fandom will debate the merits of each side on Reddit, generating buzz for the show. Are Section 31 a few good men? Or a few misguided men? That's how Trek is meant to be made.
I don't consider Discovery canon and I will not give this my time , Trek is dead to me , we'll always have old Trek to look back on, just who the hell is this new crap made for.
Kids
I can't fucking believe they went through with making this. Whew. Remember when people though Enterprise was bad? HA!
"Omg, people REALLY liked Picard 3, they want Legacy, ... well, lets do the complete opposite, lets go dark and cringy, cause thats what they hate the most!"
And we all find out that Seven was originally born a male and that the Borg Collective gave Seven a Sex Change Operation when Seven was assimilated as a young boy.
This is basically Torchwood Trek.
is that an acronym for doctor who?
I loved Torchwood.
They've never worked with people doing street level covert work. Know what they look like? A guy on his way to a baseball game, a guy getting parts for his motorcycle, the guy on the corner with a "will work for food sign" or in other words, just random people.
It's worse than dead...It's brain is gone !
"I’m a doctor, not a ultra woke, Kurtzman modern trek moron!" - Bones, seeing todays "trek", probably.
Section 31 was one guy. One guy who knew where all the bodies were buried. He manipulated others to do his bidding. One guy.
I'll take "Star Trek series we don't want to see, for a thousand, Alex."
No! I will not tolerate anything new from Star Trek. Everyone involved is trash and none of them know anything about Star Trek.
here here
"looks like a poor man's GotG..." may be the most polite thing I've ever heard you say...
I said farewell to Star Trek with Unification.
Philippa Georgiou appeals to the "YAAAAAAS QUEEEEEEEN SLAAAAAY" section of the Star Trek fandom.
Those people exist?
Fuck this show... it's one thing to make your own original show, but to make one off one of the things from a show I adore is going too far.
Section 31 has become the James Bond of “covert agencies”. You walk into a room and everyone already knows who you are.
I've just accepted the fact modern Hollywood no longer makes programming for people like me. Once you do that, you will avoid disappointment and turn to apathetic acceptance.
They'd go make a poll and then pick the least desired thing anyway.
Then call us all 'ists' and 'igots'
Istaismaphobes
STD...
Never was a show better named!
The problem is that the first two letters are wildly inapt when expanded out past the first letter. It's not Star Trek. It should instead be called, simply: "shite."
@@SBx340 Po-tay-to Po-tah-to
The CIA equivalent in Star Trek would be Starfleet Intelligence. Section 31 is a top secret Black Ops division probably within Starfleet Intelligence or even within the Starfleet Science branche. I would think Section 31 consists of handpicked officers who are ready to pull off "In the Pale Moonlight" on a daily basis.
Section 31 isn't a part of ANY Starfleet or Federation organization. It was a self made group who used the section 31 clause in the original Federation charter to form a shadow cabal dedicated to protecting the federation no matter what. Because the Federation is an idealist nation, but "the enemy" isn't so to combat the dirty, underhanded, horrific, monsters who would see it all burn, they do their work so no one knows there was an issue. Case in point, the Founders, there was almost no way to win the war, except maybe genocide. Most Federation would never allow that, no part of Starfleet Intelligence or Federation comity discussed it, this group decided it was necessary. They would never say they are Section 31, or bring it up ever because that would defeat the purpose. To make the pure Ideal of the Federation achievable in an uncaring and dirty universe. Regular people from all over the Federation, who will rise up to do what's needed and then go back to work like nothing happened.
@@dakotaravenwood7755 Yes. That is Section 31. Maybe the idea of Section 31 doesn't sit well with some of the fan base, but at least DS9 had the respect for the source material that such an organization would not be tolerated officially by Starfleet. Section 31 would be crushed if Starfleet were ever forced to offically recognize it. (And then S31 would probably go deep underground and "sleep" until it was safe to operate again.)
@chadnine3432 Exactly! The ideas would be abhorrent to the majority of the Federation, hence their utmost secrecy. The only reason we know about them at all is an operative misjudged Bashir and couldn't make the entire command crew of DS9 disappear. I agree that it's out there for Trek and would love to see more Starfleet and Klingon Intelligence Tal Shiar and Obsidian Order focused episodes. It make sense there would be a Secrion 31 and a good series could be SI trying to hunt 31.
@@dakotaravenwood7755 Of course Federation would never allow that. That's why it's Top Secret. That's the very nature of Intelligence Agencies. They are doing illegal stuff like spying on others or blackmailing or even assassinating others. That's called covered ops. No gouverment would ever admit it but it's part of the game. Hell, Star Fleet is spying on other culteres on daily basis. They impersonate members of alien societies to get Intel on them. Sisko, Worf and Odo disguised themselves as Klingons to take out a Founder. Picard, Worf and Crusher infiltrated a cardassian facility to destroy a potential threat. That's the game.
I am making my way through the TOS season 1 and am enjoying it thoroughly despite the campy 60’s elements. It was a smart, well-acted series that has no business holding up as well as it does. If you think of the TOS as a play about people in the 23rd century, it helps immensely. And just last week, I watched ST:III for the first time in decades. It holds up VERY well! The practical effects were fantastic! Very few visual elements looked dated. And chef’s kiss to the story (not perfect, but very very meaningful and highly engaging even after 40 years since its release).
Btw, what was this video about again? Sorry, I wasn’t paying attention. The video footage was so dark I couldn’t see anything except for Cullen 😂
Yep. I still enjoy TOS and with the revamped CG space graphics, it's even better!
I’ll always hold TOS close to my heart. It’s probably the most variable in terms of quality of the five shows, but its good episodes are exceptional.
I was always unloving of ST3 as well, but it’s pretty decent. The scene where they steal the Enterprise still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up.
“I’d be grateful, Admiral, if you’d give the word” …
@@riogrande5761 I personally prefer the original graphics. Plus they screwed up the Season 3 song intro on the revamped version.
@@CliffordBruner Star Trek was very expensive to make back in the 1960's. My guess is if they had more money and the technology, they would have done space scenes similar the upgraded Star Trek: TOS available now. One glaring example is the Dooms Day Machine - the Constellation used for the space scenes was an AMT model and it looked terrible shaking on the stand shot from the rear. Other scenes show cubes rotating in space to represent a space ship etc. I know people prefer the original graphics but not me. And yes, I watch TOS in the sixties as a kid when it was originally aired. The 3rd season was moved into a time slot that was too late and past my bedtime.
We are assembled here today to pay final respects to our honored dead.
What if Paramount made the Earth-Romulan war movie that Rick Berman had pitched?
Can't do that. It would not be Woke enough.
The ST well is dry. Parched, barren, desert. Nothing lives!
An animated show about Riker's exploits as captain of the Titan would be a better idea than Section 31; we got a taste of it in Lower Decks, and I know everyone in my household would watch 7 seasons based on the snippet that we did get.
Lower Decks is stupid and childish.
There was a Backyardigans episode that was a kids' Star Trek that they called Garbage Trek. No joke. It was pretty good, the music even slapped. It's probably way better than this Garbage Trek.
"Discovery should not be hauling garbage.........It should be hauled away as Garbage."
@@CliffordBruner You completely missed the point.
It might be just time to accept that the 90s were a special time. It's not just Star Trek that has gone to shit.
Maybe modern Hollywood just isn't capable of making good lighting in a scene anymore lol
What gets me is that Hollywood MUST be losing money with each and every show these days. How on Earth do they keep going?
The families/companies in Hollywood own the banks. It s bottomless money pit.
Mind-blowing that they dumped Legacy for this garbage. Absolutely mind-blowing.
It is all about pushing Hollyweird's agenda. They are trying to assimilate all of us into the "Woke Collective."
Looks like an Asylum production was expecting a flying shark in space.
Some people would call this a spin off. I call it metastasis.
0 chance it doesnt have a nihilistic-disguised-as-happy ending to it
The answer to your question is NO. Kurtzman doesn't care what fans want because he is a soulless HACK. Section31 will be forgotten by Star Trek fans the second it premiers. I know I won't be watching it.
That thing over the man's eye looks like a prop from Harry Potter. 😂
If it wasn't for this video I would've forgotten there is a section 31 movie coming.
I'm bummed people don't say "Star Drek" more often. It's so obvious.
This is nothing like section 31 , Like the section 31 in Star trek DS9 Extreme Measures
I got your book yesterday from Amazon can't wait to start reading it :)
I like hearing you talk about star trek, more than I like star trek
This is just... so sad. It's so far removed from Star Trek that I can't even see it from here.
Ask the fans what they want and then give them that?
The fans won't ask for The Right Things though! How will we ever force The Message into that?
"Woke's nature finds a way" - Jiff Goldplums
I'm beginning to think the current Star Trek production is from the Mirror Universe.
I'm beginning to think that we are now living in the Mirror Universe.
I keep saying, Dave should NEVER have supported Pukehard Season 3. It's success helped revitalize and renew Kurtzman Trek. You reap what you sow. Give them a win, ANY win, not even one of their own making, and they quintuple down their efforts to make more garbage Trek.
Yeah people were way too forgiving with that one. No change of showrunner, no chance of improvement long term
I would would rather watch Janeway and Paris turn into lizards on repeat for 12 hours, then watch new trek.
I did watch a few episodes of strange new world, but I never made it as far as the signing episode lol.
Nu trek AKA not trek.
Dave, my copy of your book arrived a couple of days ago. I look forward to reading about Cody Stockton, and Deus v Machina is next on my reading list.
I totally disagree with what you said. How can you tell it’s going to be crap?! Take a look at the trailer…… ok you win 😂.
Heh. Indeed.
"What are we? Some kinda Section 31 Squad?"
This looks like garbage. But then, all of new Trek has been except maybe season 3 of Picard. Be nice if they started producing stuff for the ST fans again instead of themselves.
That’s like saying it only hurt that one time you got f in the a while slopping on shit
Section 31 never even made sense in real Trek. They go against everything Star Fleet stand for!
I also felt that way since the first time they were introduced in DS9.
@roygo10 Me too,I mean it was interesting but made zero sense.
I watched the first two seasons of Star Trek Discovery...there where one and a half watchable episodes and that was being generous. The third season of Picard was watchable...everything else was drivel and nonsense
I think i remember watching season 1 of SNW. Can't remember if I did 2 or not. Its like they were straining not to fuck it up. Then I heard about the musical episode. 😂😂😂 The only reason I even have P+ now is that its part of my Walmart membership so it's free. Which means that Paramount and Alex Kurtzman is not getting my money and I can at least watch the classic Trek reruns.
I left Dysentery for good when they made Harry Mudd a frigging murdering psychopath. Picard season 3 had only one good episode and that was the one with Ro laren. Michelle Forbes gave a great final performance of the character and even Stewart found his consciousness in that episode....but hey, Rafi is now a ninja warrior which is so Star Trek.
@@nunyabizness6595 Season 2's Musical Episode jumped the shark for me. I was done with SNW after that. Plus that view screen on the Enterprise bridge is way too big. It should have a smaller rectangular shape like it did on TOS.
@@mikavirtanen7029 I'm surprised that they have not had an episode where they discover Captain Archer's dog (Porthos) in some type of Stasis 100 years later on SNW.
They say “write what you know” but here, they should write what people want to know.
Side note, Michelle Yeoh was in _Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2_ as Aleta Ogord.
Fant4stic called, they want their dark rooms back.
That movie was a disaster.
@ yep it was. I was just referring to how it has dark rooms in every scene.
I just got your book today actully!
Looking forward to reading it.
Star Trek d1ed after 'Star Trek Nemesis'. When you had the gay ship called Discovery do what gays do, flip/dance around, a mutiny on a so-called Federation ship, a female with a male name start the KlingOrc war, all interest was over for me for one of the greatest American scifi shows and entertainment. Bring back the Orville please
The broken shattered mirror universe, covered in gall bladder bile.
This show basically follows "Agent Hitler In Space." Stupid!
I wish, that would be badass. Flying around space saving animals. With a stylish mustache.
Modern Section 31 reminds me of the Transformers fan club when I was a child in the 1980s: STARS - the Secret Transformers Autobot Rescue Squad. Becoming a paying member meant you got a badge so you could 'tell all your friends you're a STARS member!' As a youngster, I immediately noticed the issue with it being 'secret' yet telling everyone. Kind of like the top secret Section 31 having their own badges!! :D
Burning hotter than the Pah Wraiths in the fire caves…
If Paramount goes any further into this it’s going to verge on Mad Max meets the biker gang in space
"You said that she was gonna do the face-punching!". The days of Star Trek being associated with thought-provoking, intriguing high-shelf dialogue are long gone.
chef's kiss for that book ad
One big problem with the idea of a Section 31 is the claim it was there from the begining, thats a total CROCK!
However, by the time we hit DS9, I could see its need due to the Founders.
A dog photobombs starting at 7:43.
Turns out that the same dog is a descendant of Archer's dog Porthos.