16GB vs 32GB RAM M1 Pro MacBook - Multitasking RAM TEST!

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  • Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
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    16GB vs 32GB - 00:00
    Baseline Performance - 0:58
    Lightroom Photo Editing - 01:10
    Adobe Photoshop - 3:30
    Photo Editing with 15 Tabs - 04:53
    FCX with maxed out RAM - 05:50
    Lightroom with RAM Full - 08:32
    Multitasking with RAM Full - 09:12
    Logic Pro with RAM Full - 10:25
    X Code with Full RAM - 10:46
    Can you avoid SWAP? - 11:39
    8K Video Editing - 13:46
    EXTREME STRESS TEST - 14:39
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  • @MaxTechOfficial
    @MaxTechOfficial  2 года назад +288

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    • @hackstar_yt
      @hackstar_yt 2 года назад +1

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    • @fernandomaiello61
      @fernandomaiello61 2 года назад +1

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      @Ortodox_Mels_Alat 2 года назад +5

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    • @eurihub
      @eurihub 2 года назад

      Great comparison!

    • @AdamTV
      @AdamTV 2 года назад

      I have been waiting on this comparison!!!

  • @hussamaladdin8469
    @hussamaladdin8469 2 года назад +1196

    I love that he wanted to test out the ram by having 5 tabs open in safari, calling it "typical usage". Meanwhile i am watching this while having 70 tabs open in chrome.

    • @braedenblack6116
      @braedenblack6116 2 года назад +48

      Now that is a ram test!

    • @AndroidGamingApps
      @AndroidGamingApps 2 года назад +66

      Your case it's not a typical usage, that's typical only for few ones.

    • @purpledoneright
      @purpledoneright 2 года назад +131

      10 to 20 chrome tabs is pretty normal for me, lol!

    • @strictnonconformist7369
      @strictnonconformist7369 2 года назад +128

      Only 70?
      My iPads and iPhone keep warning me about the 500 tab Safari limit! 🤣🤣🤣

    • @AndroidGamingApps
      @AndroidGamingApps 2 года назад +6

      @@strictnonconformist7369 ._. loool

  • @tonymickle6700
    @tonymickle6700 2 года назад +785

    Just for clarity here. Working in 1 application at a time is not memory intensive. You can definitely use 16GB and it would be fine. Modern OSs are very good at swapping memory as needed and modern SSDs are super fast. Even switching applications is not a huge pressure on memory. it is more intensive but not huge. As an application goes out of focus the system will compress the memory it was holding. If it stays out of focus long enough, it will dump memory to the SSD clearing the space for in focus apps. You won't lose anything, the place where the memory is stored just changed, that is all.
    If you run multiple applications side by side (in focus) or with external monitors, that is where memory pressure will come in. So you can wrap things up like this:
    1) If you will be working on 1 application at a time (in focus) on your Macbook then 16GB is good.
    2) If you plan on real multitasking (multiple apps open and in focus) either on the Macbook screen or with external monitors, 32GBs is the way to go.
    It is very important to understand CPU and Memory with the M1 SOC arch. You can't just swap in more memory you have to trade up for a whole new system. Know your work patterns and invest in the right size for now and the future. This was a good video but it was just showing 1 work pattern that is NOT memory intensive. You could triple the number of background things and the results would have been the same. The system will compress and dump any application not in focus.
    You want to really test it. Get two external monitors with each running 1-2 applications in focus. Play some music, have a video rolling and play a small game on another while doing some work related activities. That work pattern will definitely need a 32GB model.

    • @MarkBadia
      @MarkBadia 2 года назад +22

      I have a tendency to do research by opening dozens of Chrome tabs at the start and work through gathering what I need. I have noticed that my Macbook Pro (yes an older one) will slow to a crawl and even closing tabs will not help so I end up doing a restart and then it is back to speed even with all those tabs reopening at least for a little while before slowing down to a crawl again. When I open 30-40 tabs is that what you are referring to as in Focus applications( as most of those tabs have some active content in them)? If so would getting 32GBs address the Chrome beat down?

    • @bodigames
      @bodigames 2 года назад +24

      @@MarkBadia Same. I got a 16GB ram Macbook pro 2019 and the mac will just slow down and sometimes freeze when I have more then 40 tabs open

    • @BehzadRad
      @BehzadRad 2 года назад +8

      tottaly true and right thank you i write same then delete when see yours

    • @darksprout1106
      @darksprout1106 2 года назад +12

      Hey, I’ve seen Reddit forums that 16 gb with virtual machines choke? I’m thinking of upgrading to 32gb but man, it’s $400 considering I’m buying from the education store. I’m caught in a loop and I need this mbp soon prolly end of May. I’ll use the vm’s for my Windows related work and when I’m not, I’ll use it with Adobe Premier apps: LR, AP, Ae and Photoshop. Any suggestion? Thanks I’d really appreciate it, I don’t want to make bad decisions. 🥹

    • @ChungBui221
      @ChungBui221 2 года назад +9

      Perfect comment for my questions that this video could not show off... Thanks so much Tony!!!!!

  • @hq4961
    @hq4961 2 года назад +37

    Awesome video. I was wondering between 16 vs 32 gigs, and this video just got me through the decision - will go with 16gb RAM and 1 TB SSD. Thanks a lot! Really appreciate the great content

  • @DennisAroundtheHouse
    @DennisAroundtheHouse 2 года назад +16

    Great test. Thanks! I always have shot for the 16GB in previous machines but I often worry that I’ll have to bump that up. Nice to see that 16 is still going strong.

  • @PatricioEscobarDH
    @PatricioEscobarDH 2 года назад +190

    Perfect, now I’m more confused 😬

    • @MrShroombot
      @MrShroombot 2 года назад +36

      Just sell your car and get the 32 gb version. It's that easy!

    • @thesuperzfamilyvlog6607
      @thesuperzfamilyvlog6607 2 года назад +2

      @@MrShroombot on it!

    • @sashakolsky
      @sashakolsky 2 года назад +9

      Haha. In the same boat.

    • @UniGuyOfficial
      @UniGuyOfficial 2 года назад +16

      @@sashakolsky sell your boat, then... duh? /s

    • @ummeadnan7207
      @ummeadnan7207 2 года назад

      @@UniGuyOfficial @Saad and Tyson

  • @fahadsid
    @fahadsid Год назад +22

    This is really amazing. Thank you for this comparison.

  • @jesseandersen4055
    @jesseandersen4055 2 года назад +93

    I'd love to see a ram stress test between the M1 and the M1 Pro, both 16 GBs to see if the bandwidth makes a clear difference in performance.

    • @photoniccannon2117
      @photoniccannon2117 11 месяцев назад +1

      The only difficulty there is that the regular M1 has fewer CPU cores, so that would skew the benchmarks pretty strongly in favor of the M1 pro without even having to factor in the memory bandwidth.
      However, I will say that it's on the GPU benchmarks that the memory bandwidth would make a much bigger impact. 66GB/sec for the regular M1 is actually quite good for CPU memory bandwidth (most Intel consumer class CPUs have about half of this), so it's not going to really be much of a bottleneck on most CPU bound tasks (Andandtech has written a number of articles with some tests on this for more in depth stats, definitely an interesting read). But the general consensus seems to be that the GPU is where the extra bandwidth makes a much bigger difference, as they can much more easily saturate 66GB/sec than the CPU can.

  • @SergioValentino
    @SergioValentino 2 года назад +157

    I really appreciate your detailed videos
    great job guys🔥

  • @cameralabs
    @cameralabs 2 года назад +300

    Another really useful test, thanks Max! It confirms what I suspected, that the 16 would obviously hit the swap more than the 32 BUT that the SSD is now so fast, it's barely noticeable if at all in real-life situations. You've pretty much covered all the apps I used, so saved me from investing in the 32GB model. I agree, I think the more important thing is to get a decent-sized SSD from day-one, so 1TB / 16GB for me. PS - I think there might be some more significant differences between 16 and 32 for the 3D / VFX / modelling / AE folks out there, but that doesn't affect me!

    • @dmt99vn
      @dmt99vn 2 года назад +6

      i will save that 400$ for 16 inch M1 max instead of upgrade 32gb ram

    • @wli4796
      @wli4796 2 года назад +35

      @@dmt99vn that would be wise except that m1 max requires minimum ram of 32gb. That’s how apple makes money.

    • @pixelkharde5901
      @pixelkharde5901 2 года назад +5

      Getting more storage than the ram is definitely the better choice...

    • @dmt99vn
      @dmt99vn 2 года назад +3

      @@wli4796 yes i mean 400$ for 16 inch instead of 14 inch

    • @NObbie
      @NObbie 2 года назад +3

      Elated to find you in max’s channel 😄
      Reminds me of a Swahili saying that goes “Kinyozi hajinyoi” (a barber doesn’t shave themselves)
      You’re my go to guy when it comes to camera reviews Gordon, no one does it better than you!
      But even you, came to Max for the geeky tech.
      We all know before you buy any piece of tech you have to come to MAX tech!!!
      It’s a MAD LINK UP!

  • @scoobadan
    @scoobadan 2 года назад +17

    I’d be interested to see how this would perform with each loaded (as in the video) and also supporting two high resolution displays (I think the memory is shared for video too right?).

  • @ajpopshuvit
    @ajpopshuvit 2 года назад +6

    Best M1 pro and Max on RUclips. Love the review of all the variants in all possible configurations.. really help me decide on the right one to get finally!

  • @jasongolding660
    @jasongolding660 2 года назад +21

    Very interesting results. And I like how you focused on usability and daily functionality and not just benchmarking utils. Nice video. Keep up the great content! 😊

  • @pesantesc
    @pesantesc 2 года назад +78

    I would love to see more thrown at it from a programmer perspective. These laptops are clearly for pro multimedia editors but programmers is another “pro” sector that is largely ignored by RUclips reviewers (understandable since you’re all editors). Please look into this - and stick out from your competition :p

    • @Assembledonetwo
      @Assembledonetwo 2 года назад +3

      If you are a programmer, you already know how much ram you would use daily…. And i assume you will see no difference whether you use it as editor’s perspective or programmer’s perspective

    • @mikekaylor1226
      @mikekaylor1226 2 года назад +5

      This is the place for programmers. He does a great job testing machines for several flavors of coding. ruclips.net/user/AlexanderZiskind

    • @ephraimmeyer7945
      @ephraimmeyer7945 2 года назад

      Just mentioned this some minutes ago, too. ^^

    • @TheVikingquest
      @TheVikingquest 2 года назад +5

      @@Assembledonetwo its not he same thing on these. They r 10 cores with 10 threads, not 8 with 16 like intel cpus. The unified memory is less used/core too. From what i have seen on programmers/developers testing these each thread consumes less and the ssd speed/usage make 32 unified memory the same as 64 on intel x86. 16 should be fine for developing. Btw video editing is the most annoying benchmark u could see. Its hardly what buyers of 3k laptops r aimed at - that is doing 10 minutes of talking youtube videos thats aimed for mobile phones in 1080p. Most sane people use these for dåevelopment, programming, research, architecture/3d, photography. Not youtube.

    • @mdxggxek1909
      @mdxggxek1909 2 года назад +7

      try starting a bunch of docker containers and the 32 gb will flex its muscles

  • @dawgcanjumphigh
    @dawgcanjumphigh Год назад +9

    I have the 14” one. Full 10 core CPU and 16 core GPU. It’s not slow at all for me.

  • @jeffrey3498
    @jeffrey3498 Год назад +12

    I was wondering what the fan rpm/ noise situation was between the two machines? Especially important for DAW users. Thanks for all your hard work!

  • @ellengross1027
    @ellengross1027 2 года назад +295

    When you've reached the point of grasping for tasks to overburden the machines and the performance differences are so incremental, it's time to get excited for the smaller RAM but larger SSD option. Very entertaining and saves me $ !

    • @muaar
      @muaar Год назад +7

      he's working on one application at a time in full screen. it's an unrealistic workflow to justify 32gb ram. if he were to hook the laptop up to multiple external monitors and multitask several apps we might get a better picture.

    • @astraliteofficial
      @astraliteofficial 10 месяцев назад

      @@muaar That's true but for many people, this is pretty much enough. I personally don't use multiple displays and I'm a music producer I'll mostly be working in my DAW for a long time before even opening another app, so bigger SSD upgrade will be fine for a person like me.

    • @roccociccone597
      @roccociccone597 6 месяцев назад

      Well, SSDs degrade over time. If the SSD died in your macbook, you'd be screwed since they're not replaceable. Writing a lot of swap to disk definitely does contribute to a quicker degradation of the SSD. The development workflow is also very unrealistic in many ways. Many devs use Docker for containers, which uses a lot of ram. Say you have your dev DB, a backend and frontend container for your project, you'd already be using a lot of memory.

  • @bibasik7
    @bibasik7 2 года назад +210

    It would be interesting to see a comparison between a 32GB M1 Pro and a 32GB M1 Max, to see how much of a difference the memory bandwidth and extra GPU cores make.

    • @guidrissen
      @guidrissen 2 года назад +25

      Totally agree. Especially with Parallels running.

    • @philipplampert1034
      @philipplampert1034 2 года назад +2

      This!

    • @PerzDVP
      @PerzDVP 2 года назад

      I think this was done by a few others already

    • @RaymondAtivie
      @RaymondAtivie 2 года назад +4

      @@PerzDVP can you show me a link please?

    • @TheBbc1234567
      @TheBbc1234567 2 года назад

      agree

  • @EsquireUnlimited
    @EsquireUnlimited 2 года назад +6

    Great video buddy! I would love that 14” MacBook Pro 😁

  • @anshuman2205
    @anshuman2205 2 года назад +4

    Excellent video. It really helped me to decide between 16GB vs 32GB on M1 pro. Love the way you opened all those different video and photos editors to find out the difference. Thanks a ton for making this excellent video.

  • @danielnum9564
    @danielnum9564 2 года назад +44

    Very impressive! I still wish to see a more developer-oriented test, though - Docker in the background with 2 or 3 containers (nothing crazy), plus two IDEs open at a time and an iPhone simulator or Android emulator. This is a very plausible setup for a full-stack developer doing cross-platform work.

    • @strugglingathome
      @strugglingathome 2 года назад +2

      Unless you’re spending 8 hours a day compiling, cutting out that extra snack and coffee break will be a lot cheaper and more time saving. 😉

    • @nagimohsen98
      @nagimohsen98 2 года назад +4

      You should check out alexander ziskind’s youtube page. He has these and is a developer. He does a ton of tests that apply to software engineers rather than content creators

    • @danielnum9564
      @danielnum9564 2 года назад +1

      @@nagimohsen98 Thanks for the recommendation! From a quick look, it seems like he hasn't specifically compared different specs (RAM or number of CPU/GPU cores) yet, right? I'll have a look at what he already has to say, though.

    • @nagimohsen98
      @nagimohsen98 2 года назад

      @@danielnum9564 yeah not much between cpu/gpu core models but more so he shows preformance of dev tools on newer devices compared to older ones, etc. but maybe he has more videos in the works. I just came accross his channel recently.

    • @suyashsingh9865
      @suyashsingh9865 2 года назад

      yeah emulators are going to crush 16gb ram.

  • @ViniciusSichieri
    @ViniciusSichieri 2 года назад +35

    Take the 16" entry level one and push the SSD to 2Tb. That 's the sweet spot!

    • @derekbaker3279
      @derekbaker3279 2 года назад +4

      Yes, because the fastest advertized SSD speeds are only available with 2TB SSDs & larger.

    • @iScorpio1971
      @iScorpio1971 2 года назад +2

      @@derekbaker3279 "Your MacBook Pro comes standard with 1TB of blazing-fast SSD storage,³ with up to 7.4GB/s sequential read speed.⁹"

  • @chonaserafin9256
    @chonaserafin9256 2 года назад

    Great comparison. Very clear explanation. I appreciate all the hard work of making this video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ComicKish
    @ComicKish 2 года назад

    Great Video glad you guys get the models and breakdown the differences
    Kudos Max Tech Fam!

  • @vincenthaller638
    @vincenthaller638 2 года назад +25

    surprising that the results are so little actually, just shows how efficient the unified memory is on the m1 macs

  • @FilthyGreen
    @FilthyGreen 2 года назад +21

    Thank you for doing these comparison tests, they are invaluable to anyone trying to decide between 16GB vs 32GB of RAM.

  • @pmaxjoy
    @pmaxjoy 2 года назад

    Very detailed and neat video. This helped me to finally decide. Thanks for you time and patience to run all that test.

  • @bn3ku
    @bn3ku Год назад

    This was super helpful! I've been debating between these two amounts of RAM!! This is exactly the type of stress test I wanted to see, thanks!

  • @itsmealex9290
    @itsmealex9290 2 года назад +40

    I have ordered the 16GB RAM version. Now I’m more confident on my decision. Thank you for this interesting test👍 Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 Alex

    • @hyugaItaWR
      @hyugaItaWR 2 года назад +5

      Me too buddy, I was scary about what I bought. Now I’m more confident too. Thank you 🇮🇹

    • @Moeckmotion
      @Moeckmotion 2 года назад +3

      Genau das dachte ich mir auch, letzt endlich bin ich froh die rund 400€ in die 2TB SSD anstatt in die 32gb RAM investiert zu haben. 👨🏼‍💻👏🏼🥲

    • @taintandledoucheinc
      @taintandledoucheinc 2 года назад +2

      I got the 16gb 16” from the apple store on launch day, I have had zero issues, it’s about 3x faster than the i7 iMac Pro I upgraded from for adobe apps that I use at work. I am astonished at the power of this thing and I fall in love with it more and more every day!

  • @Qvuxsus
    @Qvuxsus 2 года назад +9

    I am new to this channel, and I have to say that this is high quality rigorous testing. Densely packed information with a nice flow. Great work!

  • @timrobertson8242
    @timrobertson8242 2 года назад +3

    I appreciate the comparison vector to really see the clear difference in real world scenarios, followed by "impossible" work flows to get a full understanding of the choice of 16G : 32G -- with so many options, this clears up completely this memory choice.

  • @jkerrin
    @jkerrin 2 года назад +1

    This is a fantastic comparison. Thank you for all of your amazing comparisons. Great work

  • @CorneliusCreations
    @CorneliusCreations 2 года назад +61

    You guys are the most thorough without all the fluff! Great video!

  • @nikifallen93
    @nikifallen93 2 года назад +39

    This was the proof I needed that the 16GB model is good enough for me! I’ve been waffling so long that everything is sold out, but I’m so used to the Windows mindset. Thanks, again, for the thorough and creative vids. And thanks for getting help in creating benchmarks that aren’t your forte. It’s much appreciated!

    • @NMEofdaST8
      @NMEofdaST8 9 месяцев назад

      ram so much better on mac it’s crazy

  • @andreash.7747
    @andreash.7747 2 года назад

    This is the kind of explanation i needed! Thank you very much! Great job.

  • @JordanSP18
    @JordanSP18 2 года назад

    Thank you for this in depth comparison. Exactly what I needed to know.

  • @stenerikbjorling
    @stenerikbjorling 2 года назад +18

    Some thoughts… OK, memory and storage are expensive - but securing good function over time is also valuable… More memory - less load on SSD (longer functional lifetime), more disk - one singular storage unit to make backups on and the performance is high over time… The cost of the computer is sunk costs - just as well to safeguard long, functional lifespan and use...

  • @ChristinaWarren
    @ChristinaWarren 2 года назад +60

    Would be nice to see a test with VMs in the equation. This is where more RAM really comes in handy, in my experience.

    • @manu-singh
      @manu-singh 2 года назад +2

      Hey how did you get verified tick with 345 subs??

    • @aurimaslabanauskas
      @aurimaslabanauskas 2 года назад +2

      Yes install one vm and set ram limit to that vm of 32GB :)))

    • @NitheshVG734
      @NitheshVG734 2 года назад

      @@StartSoftie No it's real!

    • @sonicvboom
      @sonicvboom 2 года назад

      He said it him-self though... "Even though with 192Gb of RAM", he wad still experiencing memory swap.

    • @jameschen8
      @jameschen8 Год назад

      @@manu-singh looking at her about page, looks like she used to work for the press.

  • @euliskay
    @euliskay 2 года назад

    Once again, SO helpful! Thanks for all your work!

  • @Bandy1036
    @Bandy1036 9 месяцев назад

    I've watched a good few of your videos, but this was the one that finally got me to subscribe. Exactly what I needed!

  • @Warlock_UK
    @Warlock_UK 2 года назад +95

    "I'm going to open 10 tabs"
    Me: "Wait, people have less than 30 tabs open at any one time? I've got 16 right now just for JIRA!"

    • @tylerblaylockk
      @tylerblaylockk 2 года назад +6

      LOL Jira... i hate that i understood this

    • @Warlock_UK
      @Warlock_UK 2 года назад +8

      @@AnneALias Not quite sure what you mean by that. My implication was that I'm using a pro device as a developer, so I have dozens of tabs just for our bug tracking, then a load of tabs for our webapps as I'm a web developer. Then even more tabs for documentation.
      Plus IDEs, and other stuff. So 10 tabs seems to be to be a bit of a low ball for a 'pro' test.
      Remember, the benchmark isn't for how someone's grandma uses it.

    • @rohansully584
      @rohansully584 2 года назад +3

      currently have 38 open.... that's about my average

    • @Warlock_UK
      @Warlock_UK 2 года назад

      @@rohansully584 Tabs or Jira bugs? :D

    • @jeremyr8793
      @jeremyr8793 2 года назад

      30 minimum lol

  • @adddelay
    @adddelay 2 года назад +72

    This was really informative to watch. It's hard to get out of the mindset of "more RAM more better", but it's clear here that it's much more diminishing returns. I'd also be curious to see how much off an effect the number of CPU cores between the base model (8) vs the others (10) have.

    • @honglucai838
      @honglucai838 2 года назад +1

      They have already compared them in previous video

    • @adddelay
      @adddelay 2 года назад +1

      @@honglucai838 Yes, I saw that later.

    • @SPTSuperSprinter156
      @SPTSuperSprinter156 2 года назад +6

      I wonder over the long term how much the extra paging affects SSD life and potentially the occurrence of problems down the line.

  • @alejandrovallejo8472
    @alejandrovallejo8472 2 года назад

    Thank you! Super clear and helpful, just started reading up on these :)

  • @ShugyoshaRyu
    @ShugyoshaRyu 2 года назад +18

    Very interesting to see how efficient swapping has become with these fast SSDs. I am assuming this would be true for other software, like DAWs in using multiple plugins over multiple channels. Good work Max Tech, as ever!

  • @JGoodwin
    @JGoodwin 2 года назад +15

    Note that swap is by definition your least used memory. It's unsurprising that the swap doesn't affect performance much. In order for it to hurt performance a lot, it needs to be used for memory which actively used.

  • @1977vision
    @1977vision 2 года назад +19

    This is the comparison I was looking for, you’ve just saved me the upgrade; I really don’t need it at all. Great work.

  • @MikeBlissett
    @MikeBlissett 2 года назад +2

    Excellent video. Really helped me clarify what has been a stumbling block in deciding which machine to go for. I'm currently running early 2015 13" Macbook Pro with 8GB RAM and 500 GB SSD and it's creaking with regular online stuff like video calls and Final Cut Pro tasks. I'm going to upgrade to the 16" MBP as I want the bigger screen but was undecided between 16 & 32 GB RAM, as I didn't want to run into the same issue if I end up keeping that machine for 6-7 as I've kept this one. I didn't realise the SSD would support the RAM so well. WOW, that's a game changer! So, now I know I'm going for the 16" 16GB RAM 1TB SSD - it sounds like my idea machine. Thanks again for putting in such a lot of work to produce this great video.

  • @RomPereira
    @RomPereira 2 года назад

    In time, Max Tech is doing a sweet job testing all this. Thank you DUDES!

  • @crstsprng8459
    @crstsprng8459 2 года назад +5

    Your channel is my all time favourite because no other channel has been as comprehensive as you guys. I said to myself that I would wait for your in-depth test before buying and you delivered as always! More power to you guys! Hoping that you reach the one million subscribers before the year ends!

  • @grafikwork3808
    @grafikwork3808 2 года назад +17

    This is exactly what I needed to know! I’ll go for the 16GB 16” version. Perfect! No one else has done this essential comparison yet! You’ve saved me £400😀 thanks!!

  • @maysaasaffar
    @maysaasaffar 2 года назад

    Thank you!! Amazing comparison!! Very professional!!
    Exactly what I needed to make up my mind!!

  • @Ellexis
    @Ellexis 2 года назад

    Thanks so much for the excellent information. I was on the fence but now I know which direction to go. TWO THUMBS UP!

  • @richie3366
    @richie3366 2 года назад +4

    I wasn't expecting such incredible results, thanks for publishing those kind of tests because it definitely will guide me into selecting specs when I order mine

  • @StefanAurori
    @StefanAurori 2 года назад +33

    Would love to see more software developer focused tests as well (maybe team up with another RUclipsr?). Things like code compile, docker builds (arm + x86 images)

    • @NayaabKhan
      @NayaabKhan 2 года назад +2

      I hope that they post one soon, meanwhile this guy does good tests from devs perspective: ruclips.net/user/d3vtec

  • @ramorabia
    @ramorabia 2 года назад +3

    This helped so much. Thank you. Just ordered the MBP 16" 16gb w/ 1tb. This will be my first Mac ever. I hope it works out. Not sure if I should have went with the 14" but the extra screen is always a plus.

  • @danielbroomhall8882
    @danielbroomhall8882 2 года назад

    That was a fun video to watch, man. Love the energy!

  • @DragonTalkShow
    @DragonTalkShow 2 года назад +5

    I’ve got 16gb on my M1 air and have literally never hit a bottleneck. Unified memory is incredible.

  • @bsman26
    @bsman26 2 года назад +25

    Thanks for such a killer review of these Macs. As an audio pro I’d really love to see a logic session with lots of software instruments, 3rd party plugins and sample libraries. Audio pros are not getting the same kind of real world review tests as video and other multi-media types.

  • @micheledapote6033
    @micheledapote6033 2 года назад

    Outstanding work guys. It makes a difference watching your videos. Thanks.

  • @inelpandzic
    @inelpandzic 2 года назад

    I'm starting to love your work man!! Keep it up and I'm getting subscribed. All the best from Sarajevo, Bosnia

  • @looc1f3r
    @looc1f3r 2 года назад +4

    Loving these comparisons videos! It’s nice to see it in the real world and how it performs.
    Thanks guys!

  • @RossCampbellGuitarist
    @RossCampbellGuitarist 2 года назад +4

    Thank you for these videos they are so helpful!

  • @joshthompson2335
    @joshthompson2335 2 года назад

    Thanks for your work! Really helps making these decisions.

  • @unothezebra143
    @unothezebra143 2 года назад

    Just what i needed! Thank you for this vlog

  • @panic0112
    @panic0112 2 года назад +37

    Really impressed how fast the SSD cache swaps are. I’m still glad I ordered the 32GB. As a software engineer even small increases in compile time add up when you do it dozens of times a day every day.

  • @argon789
    @argon789 2 года назад +12

    The swap being practically as fast as the RAM is amazing. I wonder if that will lead to a noticeable shortening of life of the SSD though.

    • @uncoiledfish2561
      @uncoiledfish2561 2 года назад +2

      Yeah. That’ll be the real difference. Longevity.

    • @strictnonconformist7369
      @strictnonconformist7369 2 года назад

      More accurately, the SSD is a fraction of the speed of main RAM, but enough processing in a streaming manner takes long enough that the swapping time is hidden almost entirely, as the SoC is doing active processing while the SSD controller is reading and writing the data at a rate that can keep the SoC pegged for various types of processing.
      Change the type of processing to sustained random memory access patterns where you need 32 GB RAM to keep the data in main memory and you’ll see major performance drops on the 16 GB RAM machine in comparison.
      For what Max demonstrated, it shows Apple optimized the systems for those tasks for throughout very well.

    • @juanmillaruelo7647
      @juanmillaruelo7647 2 года назад +2

      @@strictnonconformist7369 Great point! It may be worth while to get the 32 after all.
      Apple's careful memory optimization may not be universal or eternal. After some time memory management is neglected "because we all have more ram anyway". I've already been through this cycle 5 or 6 times.
      AND perhaps also TWO Tera to slow down wear?
      I used my previous Mac for 10 years BY both "future proofing" and upgrading.
      It was cost effective and saved a lot of hassle.
      Since we can't upgrade now...
      we might as well get the 2 Tera.

  • @andreascalmy6970
    @andreascalmy6970 2 года назад +1

    Very interesting! I’ve watched quite all of your videos on the new MacBook Pro and I found them really useful as well as well done! I really appreciate your work! What about the configuration of the 16 Gb of RAM MacBook Pro that you tested ( SSD, CPU, GPU) ?

  • @poki357
    @poki357 2 года назад

    This is exactly the type of testing I was looking for! Now I know I can spend my money elsewhere. Great work! and THANKS!

  • @tlotlegomogapi2174
    @tlotlegomogapi2174 2 года назад +30

    These help a ton when making a purchasing decision. I feel like a lot of people will go for higher configuration only to never put all those resources to any use.

  • @CutchOG
    @CutchOG 2 года назад +4

    That was unreal! Never thought I would see that kind of performance from a laptop. Thanks for such a great comparison.

  • @jamespineda5693
    @jamespineda5693 2 года назад

    Incredibly useful video. Answers 2 of the most important upgrade questions I have. Cheers, J.

  • @msl9528
    @msl9528 2 года назад

    Thanks for the great video. Now i wonder how does the additional RAMs affect the workflow then?

  • @show1877
    @show1877 2 года назад +6

    I love these types of vids comparing memory differences. Almost no on else does this and it answers that question I’ve had for a long time, without making a huge money mistake.

  • @petervuong2786
    @petervuong2786 2 года назад +3

    Wow…love how in-depth you guys go to test out these machines for us all. Much respect ✊

  • @markwherry
    @markwherry 2 года назад

    Great content, really enjoying your testing

  • @JimKanaris
    @JimKanaris 2 года назад +4

    Very encouraging for one who just ordered the 16" M1 Pro (base) and was a little worried about the 16GB RAM. Thanks!

  • @trickyturkey
    @trickyturkey 2 года назад +24

    I've always been thinking that RAM upgrade would bring a lot of differences. Thanks for the review. Now I can save my $400 ~

    • @trogdor
      @trogdor 2 года назад +3

      Apple crushed that idea with their integrated architecture. They've forced us to reframe how we think of the spec sheet.

    • @suliveevil
      @suliveevil 2 года назад +3

      You may want buy bigger SSD then😜

    • @trogdor
      @trogdor 2 года назад +2

      @@suliveevil Indeed. I learned that lesson with the M1 laptops where having the extra space but smaller RAM configuration makes up the difference.

    • @tdm17mn
      @tdm17mn 2 года назад +1

      @@trogdor what configuration should I buy then?

    • @trogdor
      @trogdor 2 года назад +1

      @@tdm17mn What's the most intensive thing that you do with your machines?

  • @anonymous_sjdjdd
    @anonymous_sjdjdd 2 года назад +11

    I'd like to see the usage from a perspective of a software engineer with heavy workloads.

  • @BlackGirlsDoBike
    @BlackGirlsDoBike 2 года назад

    This comparison was helpful. Thank you!

  • @yaakovisaacs
    @yaakovisaacs 2 года назад

    Great comparison video and very useful, thank you!

  • @user-ym6lc7pk1e
    @user-ym6lc7pk1e 2 года назад +59

    We need some tests for the software devs who run multiple VMs on the laptop at the same time. I often need to run three VMs simultaneously and do compile and run on at least two of them. Since VMs require a lot of dedicated RAM it would be interesting to see how swap affects them. Any way for you to do this dev-specific test?

    • @KrisHyman
      @KrisHyman 2 года назад +5

      What sort of VMs would you run? You can't virtualise Windows x86 / x64 on M1. You can only virtualise ARM operating systems like Windows ARM and Linux ARM. Docker for M1 might be a good test / bench though. Definitely agree that more "developer" focused reviews and benchmarks are needed. I'm waiting on Snazzy Labs for that.

    • @user-ym6lc7pk1e
      @user-ym6lc7pk1e 2 года назад +1

      @@KrisHyman Two Ubuntu VMs and one Windows 10 via Parallels.

    • @grenzlaeufer
      @grenzlaeufer 2 года назад +2

      I have the scenario working with three Linux VMs with 4-6GB of RAM on a 16“ Intel MBP/32GB. I am testing Ansible and Puppet code via Vagrant against these VMs. I know it is hard to test. I would be worried with just 16GB of RAM, but Max‘s test is really impressive!

    • @alexandersytnik53
      @alexandersytnik53 2 года назад

      @@grenzlaeufer vagrant is no way for m1, at least unless virtualbox will start to support arm

    • @ionutale1950
      @ionutale1950 2 года назад

      Do you mean docker?
      Or virtual box VMs?

  • @roncterry
    @roncterry 2 года назад +80

    It seems like more RAM is really only needed for “future proofing” reasons. Workloads now don’t really take advantage of the extra RAM but for those of us who keep our MacBooks for 5+ years the extra RAM and potential less stress on the SSD might be worth the extra $ up front. Even then, more SSD would probably be more useful to me in the long run than more RAM.

    • @NORLateCrew
      @NORLateCrew 2 года назад +1

      thanks for that man, I was just thinking the same, of going up to 2TB instead of upgrading to 32gb

    • @UpandDownRacing
      @UpandDownRacing 2 года назад

      @Ron Terry exactly the either apps aren't taking advantage of it or the CPU is still the bottle necking the allocation of resources

    • @Jordan5Farmar
      @Jordan5Farmar 2 года назад

      You mean, to prevent the memory swap issue ?

    • @strictnonconformist7369
      @strictnonconformist7369 2 года назад +5

      Bear in mimd that statement only truly applies to processing that is able to be done in a streaming manner, which all of the examples in this video demonstrate.
      In this case, Apple has largely matched the SSD speeds to the amount of processing that can have data streamed in and out of main memory and through the SoC in general, so that’s why this works so well, with Xcode being the biggest practical difference, in that it’s not as perfect of a streaming situation as all the others.
      If you do processing on a large enough data set to use 32 GB RAM that has random access characteristics and a large part of the data won’t fit in the 16 GB RAM machine, with sustained processing with random access patterns, you WILL see meaningful performance differences: as fast as the SSDs in these beasts are, main memory is still hugely faster than swapping stuff in and out from/to an SSD.
      So, if you’re doing video or audio processing as Max shows, he’s demonstrated Apple has created stream-processing monsters that are incredibly well-balanced for the tasks (other than Xcode being the outlier, and not audio/video/photography at all) where the SSD is able to keep up despite swapping being required. Note: I’ve been a developer for decades, and do developer support for an OS ;)

    • @t185bear
      @t185bear 2 года назад +1

      Yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the newer software that comes out in the next few years can take advantage of the greater RAM. And, there's virtual machines if you run them...

  • @a_b897
    @a_b897 Год назад

    Excellent comparison video, so clear and helpful!

  • @kristylim6884
    @kristylim6884 2 года назад

    Thanks for this comparison and you have answered my question! Great job!

  • @leo_brooks
    @leo_brooks 2 года назад +19

    You’ve convinced me to stick with my base model 16. I was thinking about returning and getting a maxed out stock model (max with 32 cores, 32gb, 1TB) but now I think I will stick with what I got

  • @Enigmanaut
    @Enigmanaut 2 года назад +3

    I love that you guys always get into the weeds with your reviews, testing so many different usages and configs. It really shows what these machines are capable of.

  • @malaytripathi24
    @malaytripathi24 2 года назад +5

    When I decided to upgrade from a MacBook Air 2017 to a MacBook Pro, I was a lot confused. The first confusion was whether to get the 14" or the 16". Finally settled for the 14" because I needed it to be portable and handy and the 16" is seriously heavy. For productivity improvement, a monitor is always a better choice. I knew that I won't need the M1 MAX Chip at all. Now the main question was if I needed to max out the M1 Pro. Thank you guys at Max Tech for answering a lot of my questions and that too with proof. As per my workload, I just need the M1 Pro with 16 GB RAM. I think this is a very powerful combination for most people.

  • @LoiTran-bc2xx
    @LoiTran-bc2xx 2 года назад

    Thanks for the reviews and helping us make the right choices! Very helpful and real world test are best!

  • @joshbarr4901
    @joshbarr4901 2 года назад +12

    Giveaways like this do not happen often, so this is absolutely such a generous thing that y’all are doing👏🏼😌love it

    • @francobarbagallo8915
      @francobarbagallo8915 2 года назад

      There’s really nothing to do with generosity
      It’s business. Give away 100% tax deductible. It’s marketing to make peso por subscribe and comment to grow channel revenues
      Nothing wrong with that tho

    • @joshbarr4901
      @joshbarr4901 2 года назад

      @@francobarbagallo8915 I 100% get what you’re saying, and you’re right, but I say generous in the way that it will help someone who needs it but can’t afford it. Plus they’re paying for shipping and import taxes, that they don’t have to pay for, very courteous of them😁

  • @headgoomba1984
    @headgoomba1984 2 года назад +28

    I know apple Throw the word “magical” around for their products but the fact that they are getting this performance is simply magic.

    • @neo_aliaga
      @neo_aliaga 2 года назад

      Exactly! It's like Magic. Apple is simply amazing! 

  • @dbajnath3777
    @dbajnath3777 Год назад +1

    You guys do a really great job of helping us choose wisely in our purchases. Thanks a lot!!!

  • @jzhur
    @jzhur 2 года назад

    Max, I just started watching your videos and they are Amazing! I don't even know what "swap memory" is, but your videos are great and very informative! Keep it up!! Thank you! Cheers

  • @vanalif1941
    @vanalif1941 2 года назад +22

    This is mindblowing! Amazing how Apple silicone and architecture is changing the entire game! Thank you Intel, without your laziness of innovation, none of these will happen!

  • @truecuckoo
    @truecuckoo 2 года назад +384

    Extremely confusing results 😅 Basically swapping is so incredibly efficient on these systems, so more RAM is generally not needed, unless in extreme multi threaded cases, like maxed out music production? Perhaps you could test post production compositing software stress test? Apple Motion. Blackmagic Fusion. After Effects? Other popular platforms? And create semi complex comps with very high resolution layers, zooms and masks, 3D cameras, tracking etc?

    • @austenyo
      @austenyo 2 года назад +9

      Of course Cuckoo shows up 😜
      Was wondering if you were going to ditch the 15” intel w/ touchbar

    • @ch3vr0n123
      @ch3vr0n123 2 года назад +40

      Swapping isnt good for ssd lifetime;)

    • @WangOrange
      @WangOrange 2 года назад +48

      @@ch3vr0n123 If you got a 1TB or larger SSD, their lifespan TBW should be high enough so that you don't need to worry about it.

    • @korgmangeek
      @korgmangeek 2 года назад +9

      I have the impression that music production is much easier on RAM and CPU. There is one video with M1 Mac mini and ridiculous amount of tracks with no problem. CPU almost on idle.
      Even with 32 tracks with WAV playing the "ssd" is suitable for the job.

    • @davec3400
      @davec3400 2 года назад +11

      Do SSD still slow down as they age and go through 100s of R/W cycles? Might see a bigger difference if the controller have to erase old data first before freeing up the memory cells as swap space.

  • @TBN74
    @TBN74 2 года назад

    Learn alot from this. Thank you so much!

  • @terjed1964
    @terjed1964 2 года назад

    Really interesting analysis that helps me choose the best config for my use. Thanks

  • @lairtongomes3363
    @lairtongomes3363 2 года назад +3

    This video was really useful to me. Good job!

  • @robertswww
    @robertswww 2 года назад +33

    It looks like the 32GB model puts the new MBP under a lot less memory stress, whereas the 16GB model is going to wear-out the SSD a lot more quickly with the constant memory swap usage, since flash memory has a limited number of write cycles. If you can afford it, and plan to keep the MBP long-term, then go with the 32GB model.

    • @maelstrom9106
      @maelstrom9106 2 года назад +13

      Thank you for just finding me a good reason not to regret my 32gb ram MBP 14 order

    • @norbertm121
      @norbertm121 2 года назад +1

      That all sounds correct, I'm hopeful though that SSD usage is already optimized so that it always writes to the most infrequently used area of the SSD which would help alleviate this issue unless the SSD is close to full. Or perhaps that's what the 5th SSD chip is there for 🤔 see previous Max Tech video "106℃ CPU Torture Test" at 4:03

    • @Assembledonetwo
      @Assembledonetwo 2 года назад +1

      I am pretty sure ssd won’t wear out that fast. That’s a story of a decade ago. Now the technology has been so much better. The swap won’t afftect the life of ssd much.

    • @jimmystewartuk
      @jimmystewartuk 2 года назад +1

      I like your point. Hopefully backed by proof and science? 🎃 On an intel MacBook Pro, I’ve noticed my fans turning on whenever the RAMs are maxing out.

    • @SimonQuirk68
      @SimonQuirk68 2 года назад +2

      @@jimmystewartuk Me too! And it gets slow and laggy. I am a multi talker for work with multiple collaboration apps, lots of browser tabs and word/excel (that are crazy RAM hogs, Word can take up over 2.5 GB alone - total rubbish) and the fan is going nuts as I type. Sure, I could close things down but I don't want to as I switch around a lot. I don't work with video/media that this test (and most other Ram tests) was on that the Macs clearly deal well with. Once bitten...I just want minimal memory pressure and willing to pay for that peace of mind. I am going 512GB SSD to offset the cost as I still have 200 Gb free in my 512 intel MBP (mainly documents and music mp3 files - no video or photo and than won't change) and I auto back off to iCloud if I ever get fullish.

  • @adambaker4437
    @adambaker4437 2 года назад

    Great explanation,I really appreciate your detailed videos
    great job guys🔥

  • @jvz773
    @jvz773 Год назад

    Super helpful video, thank you! 🙏👍🏼