I am Orthodox or trying to be Orthodox myself and truly I say that follow Christ with all your heart and do deeds in his name naturally. Be Born Again. Hail Christ
You don’t call yourself Catholic at first though, which is why you said, “orthodox” at first. You are not the true Catholic Church. The Roman’s are. Which is why, we have more people in our church than you and were spread around the world instead of being limited to Eastern Europe and the Middle East
You don’t call yourself Catholic at first though, which is why you said, “orthodox” at first. You are not the true Catholic Church. The Roman’s are. Which is why, we have more people in our church than you and were spread around the world instead of being limited to Eastern Europe and the Middle East
As a Christian, as a sinner, any church that honestly strives for truth and federates a community of believers who push each other towards stronger faith and cleaner life, will be a better church than I am a human, and will help me grow. I grew up with a Lutheran mother. I read and admired Calvin and his strong anti-Catholic positions. Then as an adult, turned my back to Christ for many years. But I felt more and more strongly called back over the past years. Eventually came the need to reintegrate a true Christian community. As I found no protestants in my remote corner of France, I went to meet the local Catholics. The priest is a smart and gentle man, listening with an open heart and speaking with integrity, who takes time for each parishioner as he needs. The parishioners are enthusiastic, welcoming and very active, both in organized deeds and in community life. It was a very simple choice to make : though I still feel full of questions about Catholic practices, many of those people are spiritually so much taller than I am and do help me grow in faith regardless. Our priest-monk (Prémontré) really is a blessing ; he just happens to be Catholic. And I'm currently devouring Calvin's commentary on Genesis regardless. No denomination is perfect. They're all human by now. We're brothers and sisters. Let's not play bad games.
Correction: Christ only established ONE Church because there is ONE mystical body. Breaking comunion is an act of separation from the keys left to Peter. Orthodoxy has apostolic succesion, absolutly, but they broke off from the Church and three doritos later they elect a patriarch? C'mon.
@@juncatvactually Catholics changed for they allow papal supremacy. We believe Peter was a pope but didn’t fully have authority over every single thing
@MagnusMollenhauer The seat of Peter has primacy my friend. Besides: catholic as in universal means universl, not local nationalistic churches... and right now they are going through a schism because there is no magisterium and because there is the problem of the war, so... national interests which are incompatible with the spiritual truth.
@@BastiatC so for ten centuries the primacy and keys of Peter were not a thing and then they were a problem? If there is a problem then that would mean Christ made a mistake when he made the promeise that his Church would stand strong against the Gates of Hades. Ortodoxy is marked with nationalistic problems even now they are facing division because of nationalistic problems with Rusia. The Catholic Church has no nationality, it is universal, it might have a roman rite but there are many many oriental rites in communion with the succesor of Peter.
@@DCCentralComedy Yes, the body of Christ is the church in which he started.(Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus builds His church) Not everyone is saved (Matthew 7:21, James 2:14-26) Also we Orthodox believe in Jesus so we are also technically part of the body of Christ which you speak of. God bless you and have a great day ☦🙏
@@tbnrcreator.official God bless you to buddy. But at the end of the day the body of Christ is made up of Born Again Christians. Not everyone confessing to be Christian is saved. Jesus those builds his church. There are people who belive in Jesus but are not truly saved. Satan also belives and trembles. Jesus is coming for a people who are saved. No unsaved person is getting raptured. And the worst part is if you're not born again you wont even SEE the kingdom of heaven. God bless you.
Thanks for explaining distinctions on particular Protestant traditions. Is quite often to see in other videos that when comparing Protestants, they just use non-denoms or baptists as the standard.
As a non-denominational person, we are becoming the biggest group of what you would call "Protestant." Though we do not even see ourselves as Protestant, as we do not adhere to ANY denomination or group, but rather, strictly to the Word of God.
The apostles kept the Law of Moses (Acts 21:18-25), the early churches misinterpreted Paul’s letters in the first century (2 Peter 3:14-16) and believed that the Law shouldn’t be kept (2 Thessalonians 2:7).
"perceived corruption" by the Catholic church was not a particularly fair portrayal of the protestant position, considering the Catholic Church had a counter-reformation where they did reform a lot of their abusive practices.
You know Judas Iscariot, right? The one that stole in the face of Christ, the guy that resurected people and gave the capacity to the apostles, including Judas, to do miracles? If the "administration" of the Church is horrible, it doesn't matter: We are the mystical body of the Catholic Church. This is why Erasmus of Rotterdam never supported protestantism, it meant leaving home. Later on, protestants went way worse and radical than the Catholic Church.
Don’t get angry with people who say they are Catholic or Protestant…. All people are heterodox and through life, they learn and become more orthodox, guided by the Holy Spirit. While I believe that the Orthodox Church is the one true church, it does not mean because I subscribe to it that I am better than others or that I myself am orthodox in all my actions. I do believe that if people subscribe to the teachings of the Orthodox Church, they will more easily find their way as they will undertake fasting etc. and try to be more like Christ, as opposed to believing that because they have knowledge of God they are somehow “saved”. We exist to serve God and others around us, but during this process we become transformed and undergo Theosis. If we act in ways that God does not recommend, we create our hell and torment ourselves, desiring things that are useful only to quench those same desires which grow stronger… but in passing on, we will no longer be able to satisfy these desires and will feel like we are burning. Our best hope for others is to show them by the fruits of Orthodoxy, why it is the one true church. These heterodox versions of Christianity, still lead people to orthodoxy is my point.
Awesome video man. I would say that the Holy Orthodox Church would claim that their church was founded by Christ as well. The distinguishing factor of The Orthodox liturgy is that it is based on one, the visions of heavenly worship as seen in Revelation and other visions and two the writings of the earliest church Bishops and fathers. This all is very well articulated and defended by the Orthodox with a lot of historical grounding, where as Catholic has clear revisions and progression to their Church and obviously Protestant was started in 1517 so it has much less of these things an seeks to strip it all down to the foundation. Whether which group is doing it right is up for debate obviously lol
Eastern Orthodoxy Is The One Truth. The One True Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. You cannot remove The Bible from The Historical Eastern Orthodox Church. All of The Bible is a Liturgical Book, you cannot remove it from The Church.
What do you all think of 1 John 2:26-27? 26 These things I have written to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 And as for you, the anointing whom you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as He has taught you, abide in Him.
Both Orthodox and Catholic Church claim that their church was founded in Rome by Peter him being their first Pope/bishop. Here is a question for them to ponder. Paul has already established many gentile churches while Peter and some of the apostles remained in Jerusalem. Proof of this is in the book of Acts. What would you call those churches that were started by Paul outside of Jerusalem? If the apostles agreed that Peter was made the apostle to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles--Galatians 2:7 who really has apostolic lineage in the churches outside of Jerusalem? A church claimed to be started by Peter, or the ones written and recorded to be started by Paul? None of which were neither Catholic nor Orthodox for the roman church wasn't legalized until after 313 AD well over a century after the deaths of both Peter and Paul.
Mark 9:38-41 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us.” I don’t think Jesus would be happy to see us Christians fighting against each other for which denomination is the “true church”. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and sisters of Christ.
For you I would ask if Jesus founded a church such as the Catholic or Orthodox Church, would you join it? Or join a church that Jesus did not start? This is something that you should think about and it might open your eyes to the importance of denominations.
@@Hithereitsme32 I can see where this is going. But tell me, would you still join the church Jesus started, even though it’s not the same as it once was with all the unbiblical dogmas added throughout the years, making it unrecognizable when it first started? The true Church of Christ is not an institution, but our bodies. At the end of the day, if you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you are saved. Jesus is the way, not a church.
The Catholic Communion of Churches is the fullest of All Apostolic Churches. I myself am Maronite. We have our own Patriarch, Bishops and Clergy but are full members of the Catholic Church.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We have the fullest of Apostolic authority because we have Apostles today. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore. Peter wasn’t a bishop, he was an apostle and leader of the church during this time. There is very little evidence of Peter starting the Church in Rome and no evidence of Peter being the bishop and ruling the Church from Rome. In fact, while Iranaeus does say Peter and Paul started the Church, he also says “The blessed apostles, then, *having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate.”* (Against Heresies 3 chapter 3) Or after the apostles set up the Church area, the first Bishop was Linus, not Peter. So where do you get that Peter was the Bishop of Rome? Where does it say that Linus or even the Bishop of Rome was supposed to secede Peter as leader? Linus was bishop of Rome from 67 AD until his death in 76 AD and John the Apostle, *the last of Christ’s top 3 Apostles who he took everywhere,* is said to have died between 89 - 120 AD, why would the leadership not have fallen to one of Jesus’s original apostles? Andrew and Thomas are said to have been alive as well during that time. You also have to contend with the fact that most scholars believe Peter died in 68 AD, which if true means that Linus would have been Bishop of Rome while Peter was alive. The Bible says that Peter started the Church in Jerusalem and Peter is also supposed to have founded the Church at Antioch (Church History book 3 Chapter 36 by Eusebius) and Corinth (Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, in his Epistle to the Roman Church), so why does the Bishop of Rome get to be the leader when 3 other Churches has the same claim of authority? Jerusalem was the first church founded and the Church at Antioch was founded in 34 AD while Rome was founded in 42 AD so it doesn’t even have a seniority position which makes the claim of Rome even weaker. I recommend you look us up and learn our beliefs.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We have the fullest of Apostolic authority because we have Apostles today. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore. Peter wasn’t a bishop, he was an apostle and leader of the church during this time. There is very little evidence of Peter starting the Church in Rome and no evidence of Peter being the bishop and ruling the Church from Rome. In fact, while Iranaeus does say Peter and Paul started the Church, he also says “The blessed apostles, then, *having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate.”* (Against Heresies 3 chapter 3) Or after the apostles set up the Church area, the first Bishop was Linus, not Peter. So where do you get that Peter was the Bishop of Rome? Where does it say that Linus or even the Bishop of Rome was supposed to secede Peter as leader? Linus was bishop of Rome from 67 AD until his death in 76 AD and John the Apostle, *the last of Christ’s top 3 Apostles who he took everywhere,* is said to have died between 89 - 120 AD, why would the leadership not have fallen to one of Jesus’s original apostles? Andrew and Thomas are said to have been alive as well during that time. You also have to contend with the fact that most scholars believe Peter died in 68 AD, which if true means that Linus would have been Bishop of Rome while Peter was alive. The Bible says that Peter started the Church in Jerusalem and Peter is also supposed to have founded the Church at Antioch (Church History book 3 Chapter 36 by Eusebius) and Corinth (Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, in his Epistle to the Roman Church), so why does the Bishop of Rome get to be the leader when 3 other Churches has the same claim of authority? Jerusalem was the first church founded and the Church at Antioch was founded in 34 AD while Rome was founded in 42 AD so it doesn’t even have a seniority position which makes the claim of Rome even weaker. I recommend you look us up and learn our beliefs.
because when Jesus was first founding the first church he assigned his apostle, St Peter to lead that church(Be the first ever Pope) and the only church today that has a Pope is the Roman catholic church thus making it the one founded by Jesus.
@@mbathroom1 Yes he was. historical evidence supports that statement and St Peters resting the place is in the Vatican, the "headquarters" of the Roman catholic church
@@Avram_Orozco yeah all denominations that follow the nicene creed are all Christ churches I always will support my catholic brothers to the end I was just raised Protestant and will always be one but have a blessed day my brother in Christ ✝️✝️
humans founded orthodox and Catholicism. So Jesus came to earth to found 3 religions. Christianty, Orthodox, and Catholicism. Ridiculous. The word Christian is found multiple times in the bible not Orthodox or Catholicism. When Peter converted 3k people he didnt convert them to Catholicism or Orthodox he converted them to Christianity. Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ. And some Roman Catholic and Orthodox belief can be refuted using scripture. They only hold to church traditions thats made by men and ironically some of there church traditions arent even rooted in Scripture. And also why is the jesus in the catholic church always doing the same hand sign baphomet is doing?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Orthodox, Catholicism and Protestants all teach false and corrupted doctrine. (Here come all the people who know nothing about what we teach and saying we teach something that we don't)
im a protestant, i say it depends, some protestant churches distort the Bible while others try to study it and try being as closest to the original as possible (most reformed churches for an example)
@baileypuppy9300 so how are we given salvation? Isnt it written, "For it is not by your works but by grace through faith you have been saved."? Too many churches focus on traditions when in reality they forget that every living being falls short of the kingdom of heaven. It is by Jesus's sacrifice we have eternal life. The Eucharist represents the sacrifice of Jesus but following Jesus's commandments and loving Him above all else is what gives salvation.
@@Cross_Hat The church is the bride groom of christ, salvation is a divine mystery not I nor you know whos being saved or not. "2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.". The Orthodox church has been there, if you actually paid attention to the video, from the very beginning and is passed down through apostolic succession. our belief in Christ and our understanding of him is different from yours. we are worshipping different ideas of God here. we are not the same.
@@Cross_Hat You pose very dangerous ideas by even insinuating the claim that even Arianism and Nestorianists are remotely valid and apart of the greater christian body. I hope you reflect and think on it
@baileypuppy9300 that's sad you hold onto tradition rather than the overall message. Let me ask you this then. Who was the first person promised salvation from Jesus himself? Surely it was a Catholic or Orthodox worshipper of Christ? Surely it was a man of the church? No. It was a sinner, a thief on the cross next to Jesus. He begged "Lord remember me when you come into your kingdom." He repented and had faith. And Jesus didn't tell him well actually thief because you sinned and didn't get baptised or go to an orthodox church you can't go to paradise yet. No, Jesus said to him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." You are correct that Christians now need to read and take in scripture but the traditions to follow are not the core to salvation. It is faith in Jesus Christ as God who lived and died on the cross for our sins and rose again. Period. That is scripture.
@@MrRiles Yep abstinence= giving up something Fasting= eating less food that said day. In the U.S the bishops state we can choose a penance of our own. One could spend more time reading the Bible, go mass that day, give up something
Hitler was an Athiest, not a Catholic. In fact, the holocaust and concentration camps targeted and murdered 1,000s of Catholics throughout the third reich.
technically speaking, Adolf was never Christian, he was baptized at birth, but didnt really believe in God, or tried to use Christianity to justify his actions, one or the other
I am Orthodox or trying to be Orthodox myself and truly I say that follow Christ with all your heart and do deeds in his name naturally. Be Born Again. Hail Christ
Orthodoxy was, is, and will always be the true church and real Christianity, serving as a direct continuation of Judaism.
No. Christ funded catholic church.
Its both Orthodoxy and Catholicism
no, only orthodoxy ☦️
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We were one in the same before 1054, and we are still partially united today. I pray for the day when the Orthodox will rejoin its Catholic brothers.
The Orthodox Church is the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. ☦️
What do you mean by the “Orthodox Church”? There are a lot of different orthodoxies, like western (catholic), eastern or oriental.
@@newxpecen7441 he meant Eastern Orthodox Church. and RCC and OO are not Orthodox
@@CatholicSlav_1 Catholic Church is orthodox, so we still don't know what he meant
You don’t call yourself Catholic at first though, which is why you said, “orthodox” at first. You are not the true Catholic Church. The Roman’s are. Which is why, we have more people in our church than you and were spread around the world instead of being limited to Eastern Europe and the Middle East
You don’t call yourself Catholic at first though, which is why you said, “orthodox” at first. You are not the true Catholic Church. The Roman’s are. Which is why, we have more people in our church than you and were spread around the world instead of being limited to Eastern Europe and the Middle East
Please read up on Catholicism. There are 25 Churches in the Communion that follow different Holy Traditions but are united with the Pope.
Correction for Catholicism: We inherited Original Sin from Adam, but we are not guilty of it in the same sense as our own personal sin.
As a Christian, as a sinner, any church that honestly strives for truth and federates a community of believers who push each other towards stronger faith and cleaner life, will be a better church than I am a human, and will help me grow.
I grew up with a Lutheran mother. I read and admired Calvin and his strong anti-Catholic positions. Then as an adult, turned my back to Christ for many years.
But I felt more and more strongly called back over the past years. Eventually came the need to reintegrate a true Christian community. As I found no protestants in my remote corner of France, I went to meet the local Catholics. The priest is a smart and gentle man, listening with an open heart and speaking with integrity, who takes time for each parishioner as he needs. The parishioners are enthusiastic, welcoming and very active, both in organized deeds and in community life. It was a very simple choice to make : though I still feel full of questions about Catholic practices, many of those people are spiritually so much taller than I am and do help me grow in faith regardless.
Our priest-monk (Prémontré) really is a blessing ; he just happens to be Catholic. And I'm currently devouring Calvin's commentary on Genesis regardless.
No denomination is perfect. They're all human by now. We're brothers and sisters. Let's not play bad games.
We may be different denominations but remember, Were all Followers of Jesus and we all agree that the bible is the word of god ✝️☦️
Correction: Orthodoxy was also Founded by Jesus Christ
Correction: Christ only established ONE Church because there is ONE mystical body. Breaking comunion is an act of separation from the keys left to Peter. Orthodoxy has apostolic succesion, absolutly, but they broke off from the Church and three doritos later they elect a patriarch? C'mon.
@@juncatvactually Catholics changed for they allow papal supremacy. We believe Peter was a pope but didn’t fully have authority over every single thing
@MagnusMollenhauer The seat of Peter has primacy my friend. Besides: catholic as in universal means universl, not local nationalistic churches... and right now they are going through a schism because there is no magisterium and because there is the problem of the war, so... national interests which are incompatible with the spiritual truth.
@@juncatv Okay, by that reasoning the Catholic church was founded by Pope Leo IX
@@BastiatC so for ten centuries the primacy and keys of Peter were not a thing and then they were a problem? If there is a problem then that would mean Christ made a mistake when he made the promeise that his Church would stand strong against the Gates of Hades. Ortodoxy is marked with nationalistic problems even now they are facing division because of nationalistic problems with Rusia. The Catholic Church has no nationality, it is universal, it might have a roman rite but there are many many oriental rites in communion with the succesor of Peter.
Christ has risen. Orthodoxy is the truth ☦
Nah the Church is (body of Christ). The Church is made up of people who are saved. Jesus is coming for his Church (redeemed people)
@@DCCentralComedy Yes, the body of Christ is the church in which he started.(Matthew 16:18-19 Jesus builds His church) Not everyone is saved (Matthew 7:21, James 2:14-26) Also we Orthodox believe in Jesus so we are also technically part of the body of Christ which you speak of. God bless you and have a great day ☦🙏
@@tbnrcreator.official God bless you to buddy. But at the end of the day the body of Christ is made up of Born Again Christians. Not everyone confessing to be Christian is saved. Jesus those builds his church. There are people who belive in Jesus but are not truly saved. Satan also belives and trembles. Jesus is coming for a people who are saved. No unsaved person is getting raptured. And the worst part is if you're not born again you wont even SEE the kingdom of heaven. God bless you.
Thanks for explaining distinctions on particular Protestant traditions. Is quite often to see in other videos that when comparing Protestants, they just use non-denoms or baptists as the standard.
It does make me wonder, which denomination is the biggest outside of catholic and orthodox?
As a non-denominational person, we are becoming the biggest group of what you would call "Protestant." Though we do not even see ourselves as Protestant, as we do not adhere to ANY denomination or group, but rather, strictly to the Word of God.
@@jackwilliam1534 probably pentecostals, but if you were to go to a prostestant church, i recommend you go to reformed ones
As far as I know, the Anglican tradition has the most amount of adherents.
Catholicism is right
Christ is right
ME AND MY BROTHER ARE ORTHODOX FROM ALBANIA BUT MY MOM IS MUSLIM, AND WE HAVE SUPER RELIGION HARMONY IN MY FAMILY.
Wow that's amazing
The apostles kept the Law of Moses (Acts 21:18-25), the early churches misinterpreted Paul’s letters in the first century (2 Peter 3:14-16) and believed that the Law shouldn’t be kept (2 Thessalonians 2:7).
Great video keep up the work
thank youAppreciate it
"perceived corruption" by the Catholic church was not a particularly fair portrayal of the protestant position, considering the Catholic Church had a counter-reformation where they did reform a lot of their abusive practices.
You know Judas Iscariot, right? The one that stole in the face of Christ, the guy that resurected people and gave the capacity to the apostles, including Judas, to do miracles? If the "administration" of the Church is horrible, it doesn't matter: We are the mystical body of the Catholic Church. This is why Erasmus of Rotterdam never supported protestantism, it meant leaving home. Later on, protestants went way worse and radical than the Catholic Church.
Don’t get angry with people who say they are Catholic or Protestant…. All people are heterodox and through life, they learn and become more orthodox, guided by the Holy Spirit. While I believe that the Orthodox Church is the one true church, it does not mean because I subscribe to it that I am better than others or that I myself am orthodox in all my actions. I do believe that if people subscribe to the teachings of the Orthodox Church, they will more easily find their way as they will undertake fasting etc. and try to be more like Christ, as opposed to believing that because they have knowledge of God they are somehow “saved”. We exist to serve God and others around us, but during this process we become transformed and undergo Theosis. If we act in ways that God does not recommend, we create our hell and torment ourselves, desiring things that are useful only to quench those same desires which grow stronger… but in passing on, we will no longer be able to satisfy these desires and will feel like we are burning. Our best hope for others is to show them by the fruits of Orthodoxy, why it is the one true church. These heterodox versions of Christianity, still lead people to orthodoxy is my point.
Awesome video man.
I would say that the Holy Orthodox Church would claim that their church was founded by Christ as well.
The distinguishing factor of The Orthodox liturgy is that it is based on one, the visions of heavenly worship as seen in Revelation and other visions and two the writings of the earliest church Bishops and fathers.
This all is very well articulated and defended by the Orthodox with a lot of historical grounding, where as Catholic has clear revisions and progression to their Church and obviously Protestant was started in 1517 so it has much less of these things an seeks to strip it all down to the foundation.
Whether which group is doing it right is up for debate obviously lol
Thanks
Eastern Orthodoxy Is The One Truth. The One True Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. You cannot remove The Bible from The Historical Eastern Orthodox Church. All of The Bible is a Liturgical Book, you cannot remove it from The Church.
We will find out what was the original church when he returns
Christos Anesti! I am Orthodox
Alisthos Anesti
What do you all think of 1 John 2:26-27?
26 These things I have written to you about those who are trying to deceive you.
27 And as for you, the anointing whom you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as He has taught you, abide in Him.
Both Orthodox and Catholic Church claim that their church was founded in Rome by Peter him being their first Pope/bishop. Here is a question for them to ponder. Paul has already established many gentile churches while Peter and some of the apostles remained in Jerusalem. Proof of this is in the book of Acts. What would you call those churches that were started by Paul outside of Jerusalem? If the apostles agreed that Peter was made the apostle to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles--Galatians 2:7 who really has apostolic lineage in the churches outside of Jerusalem? A church claimed to be started by Peter, or the ones written and recorded to be started by Paul? None of which were neither Catholic nor Orthodox for the roman church wasn't legalized until after 313 AD well over a century after the deaths of both Peter and Paul.
The Orthodox Church was founded in 33 AD by the Holy Spirit.
Mark 9:38-41
“Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”
“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us.”
I don’t think Jesus would be happy to see us Christians fighting against each other for which denomination is the “true church”. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and sisters of Christ.
I think that denominations make no sense. I'm just a follower of Christ.
Same here. At the end of the day, we are all brothers and sisters of Christ.
For you I would ask if Jesus founded a church such as the Catholic or Orthodox Church, would you join it? Or join a church that Jesus did not start? This is something that you should think about and it might open your eyes to the importance of denominations.
@@Hithereitsme32 I can see where this is going. But tell me, would you still join the church Jesus started, even though it’s not the same as it once was with all the unbiblical dogmas added throughout the years, making it unrecognizable when it first started?
The true Church of Christ is not an institution, but our bodies. At the end of the day, if you accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you are saved. Jesus is the way, not a church.
@@Coconutdoggy173 the gates of hell will not prevail against the church
Glory to Christ our Lord ☦️, and the Orthodox Church is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church ☦️
The Catholic Communion of Churches is the fullest of All Apostolic Churches. I myself am Maronite. We have our own Patriarch, Bishops and Clergy but are full members of the Catholic Church.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We have the fullest of Apostolic authority because we have Apostles today. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
Peter wasn’t a bishop, he was an apostle and leader of the church during this time. There is very little evidence of Peter starting the Church in Rome and no evidence of Peter being the bishop and ruling the Church from Rome. In fact, while Iranaeus does say Peter and Paul started the Church, he also says “The blessed apostles, then, *having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate.”* (Against Heresies 3 chapter 3) Or after the apostles set up the Church area, the first Bishop was Linus, not Peter. So where do you get that Peter was the Bishop of Rome?
Where does it say that Linus or even the Bishop of Rome was supposed to secede Peter as leader? Linus was bishop of Rome from 67 AD until his death in 76 AD and John the Apostle, *the last of Christ’s top 3 Apostles who he took everywhere,* is said to have died between 89 - 120 AD, why would the leadership not have fallen to one of Jesus’s original apostles? Andrew and Thomas are said to have been alive as well during that time. You also have to contend with the fact that most scholars believe Peter died in 68 AD, which if true means that Linus would have been Bishop of Rome while Peter was alive.
The Bible says that Peter started the Church in Jerusalem and Peter is also supposed to have founded the Church at Antioch (Church History book 3 Chapter 36 by Eusebius) and Corinth (Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, in his Epistle to the Roman Church), so why does the Bishop of Rome get to be the leader when 3 other Churches has the same claim of authority? Jerusalem was the first church founded and the Church at Antioch was founded in 34 AD while Rome was founded in 42 AD so it doesn’t even have a seniority position which makes the claim of Rome even weaker.
I recommend you look us up and learn our beliefs.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. We have the fullest of Apostolic authority because we have Apostles today. We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
Peter wasn’t a bishop, he was an apostle and leader of the church during this time. There is very little evidence of Peter starting the Church in Rome and no evidence of Peter being the bishop and ruling the Church from Rome. In fact, while Iranaeus does say Peter and Paul started the Church, he also says “The blessed apostles, then, *having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate.”* (Against Heresies 3 chapter 3) Or after the apostles set up the Church area, the first Bishop was Linus, not Peter. So where do you get that Peter was the Bishop of Rome?
Where does it say that Linus or even the Bishop of Rome was supposed to secede Peter as leader? Linus was bishop of Rome from 67 AD until his death in 76 AD and John the Apostle, *the last of Christ’s top 3 Apostles who he took everywhere,* is said to have died between 89 - 120 AD, why would the leadership not have fallen to one of Jesus’s original apostles? Andrew and Thomas are said to have been alive as well during that time. You also have to contend with the fact that most scholars believe Peter died in 68 AD, which if true means that Linus would have been Bishop of Rome while Peter was alive.
The Bible says that Peter started the Church in Jerusalem and Peter is also supposed to have founded the Church at Antioch (Church History book 3 Chapter 36 by Eusebius) and Corinth (Dionysius, bishop of Corinth, in his Epistle to the Roman Church), so why does the Bishop of Rome get to be the leader when 3 other Churches has the same claim of authority? Jerusalem was the first church founded and the Church at Antioch was founded in 34 AD while Rome was founded in 42 AD so it doesn’t even have a seniority position which makes the claim of Rome even weaker.
I recommend you look us up and learn our beliefs.
why did you say that catholicism was founded by jesus but not orthodox?
It was still implied because he said ancient Christianity. If anything I’d argue he made us look better.
@@Цар_Антоний Better than being founded by God Himself?
because when Jesus was first founding the first church he assigned his apostle, St Peter to lead that church(Be the first ever Pope) and the only church today that has a Pope is the Roman catholic church thus making it the one founded by Jesus.
@@MRWILLIAM6000 completely wrong. Peter was not a pope
@@mbathroom1 Yes he was. historical evidence supports that statement and St Peters resting the place is in the Vatican, the "headquarters" of the Roman catholic church
Video Creator in Section: Liturgy and Worship on the Protestantism View *proceeds to take a picture from the catholic mass* Me: Confused af.
Probably high church Protestantism.
None. You follow what the Bible says and only that.
Sola fide ✝️
In Catholicism you’re also initially saved by faith but you’re justified by working out your salvation with good works.
@@Avram_Orozco yeah all denominations that follow the nicene creed are all Christ churches I always will support my catholic brothers to the end I was just raised Protestant and will always be one but have a blessed day my brother in Christ ✝️✝️
@@research800 unfortunately im not you’re brother in Christ, but I commend you
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humans founded orthodox and Catholicism. So Jesus came to earth to found 3 religions. Christianty, Orthodox, and Catholicism. Ridiculous. The word Christian is found multiple times in the bible not Orthodox or Catholicism. When Peter converted 3k people he didnt convert them to Catholicism or Orthodox he converted them to Christianity. Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ. And some Roman Catholic and Orthodox belief can be refuted using scripture. They only hold to church traditions thats made by men and ironically some of there church traditions arent even rooted in Scripture. And also why is the jesus in the catholic church always doing the same hand sign baphomet is doing?
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is God's and Jesus Christ one and only true church here on earth. Orthodox, Catholicism and Protestants all teach false and corrupted doctrine.
(Here come all the people who know nothing about what we teach and saying we teach something that we don't)
The Ancient Churches are the truth, Protestantism just isn’t the full faith.
i dont wanna debate or anything but, protestantism came from corruption from said ancient churches
Hail orthodoxy
Hail Jesus, not orthodoxy. Remember the 1st commandment.
protestants are the closest to the original
im a protestant, i say it depends, some protestant churches distort the Bible while others try to study it and try being as closest to the original as possible (most reformed churches for an example)
@@TNoob69 yes
Belief of sola fide and scriptura didn't exist till 16th century
@@maksim3417 wrong, paul taught sola fide
@@micahistory according to your interpretation yea. But then no one did for over 1000 years
All are correct. Why? Because all believe in Jesus Christ the risen God who died for our sins and gave us eternal life ❤
No, that's Ecumenism. heresy, anathema
@baileypuppy9300 so how are we given salvation? Isnt it written, "For it is not by your works but by grace through faith you have been saved."? Too many churches focus on traditions when in reality they forget that every living being falls short of the kingdom of heaven. It is by Jesus's sacrifice we have eternal life. The Eucharist represents the sacrifice of Jesus but following Jesus's commandments and loving Him above all else is what gives salvation.
@@Cross_Hat The church is the bride groom of christ, salvation is a divine mystery not I nor you know whos being saved or not. "2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.". The Orthodox church has been there, if you actually paid attention to the video, from the very beginning and is passed down through apostolic succession. our belief in Christ and our understanding of him is different from yours. we are worshipping different ideas of God here. we are not the same.
@@Cross_Hat You pose very dangerous ideas by even insinuating the claim that even Arianism and Nestorianists are remotely valid and apart of the greater christian body. I hope you reflect and think on it
@baileypuppy9300 that's sad you hold onto tradition rather than the overall message. Let me ask you this then. Who was the first person promised salvation from Jesus himself? Surely it was a Catholic or Orthodox worshipper of Christ? Surely it was a man of the church? No. It was a sinner, a thief on the cross next to Jesus. He begged "Lord remember me when you come into your kingdom." He repented and had faith. And Jesus didn't tell him well actually thief because you sinned and didn't get baptised or go to an orthodox church you can't go to paradise yet. No, Jesus said to him, "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." You are correct that Christians now need to read and take in scripture but the traditions to follow are not the core to salvation. It is faith in Jesus Christ as God who lived and died on the cross for our sins and rose again. Period. That is scripture.
Catholicism requires fasting weekly on Fridays specifically
It requires doing penance on Friday
But doesn’t require fasting
At least In the U.S
At this point it’s considered good spiritual practice
@@generalyousif3640 yeah I should have specified some form of abstinence and not full gasting
@@MrRiles
Yep abstinence= giving up something
Fasting= eating less food that said day.
In the U.S the bishops state we can choose a penance of our own. One could spend more time reading the Bible, go mass that day, give up something
Ad0lf H!tler was Catholic but Ion Antonescu was Orthodox.
Hitler was an Athiest, not a Catholic. In fact, the holocaust and concentration camps targeted and murdered 1,000s of Catholics throughout the third reich.
technically speaking, Adolf was never Christian, he was baptized at birth, but didnt really believe in God, or tried to use Christianity to justify his actions, one or the other
just because a person says they are something doesn't mean they follow the rules of that. You can't attack Catholics using hitler
@@KOVACHOT Antonescu was a Romanian dictator by the way.
@@dnlyvnmtw2504 not close to hitler, not at all
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