we’re lucky it’s vegapunk in charge of the broadcast instead of morj: we’d be getting the truth of the world three days late because he was in the shower
Admirals were never hyped as top tier at any point that’s literally fandom headcanon that’s the point of Yonko vs Admiral and Commanders vs Admirals. The first major fight an Admiral had was old Rayleigh vs Kizaru and the first thing that comes out of Kizaru’s mouth is that he can’t bring him in alone
I disagree with Morjs logic, if Devil fruit users did not have that glaring weakness it wouldn’t be a low diff to throw them in the ocean. Luffy fought Lucci and did exactly the same thing in Enies Lobby but we know that Luffy could not low diff Lucci at the time.
Yeah his logic could easily be flipped against him in a few ways too. When kizaru kicked luffy through the light barrier had they been in a different location he could've kicked luffy straight into the sea. Luffy was unable to stop the momentum of that attack so kizaru low diffs luffy? Also if they were in a different environment like the middle of wano, no where near the sea then what? The question then becomes if there's no water does that attack take out kizaru? The boat being there answers that question, that attack isn't enough to take him out. Morj is basically arguing that winning by ring out means its a low diff, then big mom got low diffed by kidd and law on the rooftop it just took one rock lmao
@@LuciusFox24I do think that Kizaru is getting low diffed right now, I also wish someone had brought up Logia awakening because I fully believe that an Awakened logia would be able to match ACOC attacks. There has to be a reason why Logia’s are so rare and it can’t just be that they make you invincible against non Haki users.
@@MrBassem95 kizaru is definitely getting low diffed at this moment but context matters as well. He didn't get low diffed earlier 1 v 1, luffy was low diffed by Rob Lucci their first fight because of luffy not being certain where Robin stands. I don't believe this situation is indicative of how a full fledged fight between the 2 of them would play though. I believe kizaru can put up a better fight and I believe he has more abilities in his bag that he hasn't used yet.
@@royalfun1031 Depends on how you scale Who's Who. Someone that never fought anyone but Jinbe. Someone that openly challenged King and Queen without repercussion. Jinbe got the better of Big Mom twice. People who slander him simply don't have any evidence for their claims.
reminder kizaru was stated as fastest admiral and luffy can keep up with him and even outpace him at times. so he would be faster than akainu and the rest of the admirals
Speed is a broken ability in all stories and should not be taken seriously. If it was established that Luffy is actually faster than Kizaru, he could one shot any character from sheer speed and dodge every attack in the verse. This doesn't and will not happen.
Luffy consitently gets stronger than the villain he has defeated the arc prior, even tho he struggled against them. Luffy in Whole Cake is a different Luffy than the one in Dressrosa. Luffy in Thriller Bark could combine Gears, which he couldnt handle in Enies Lobby. Its consistent throughout the story. So yeah, Luffy going forward will not lose against enemies weaker than Kaido. And even if people say that Kaido is still stronger than luffy, he wont be by the end of this arc. About the Kizaru situation: The situation was never that Kizaru can't kill Vegapunk or would never in a million years. Its that its hard for him to do, which isnt a made up consensus by people defending kizaru. Its literally what he himself was going on about for so many chapters. Kizaru is still stronger than all characters in this arc except luffy and Saturn. But he is fighting an uphill battle. It was always shown that Admirals cant hold up against yonko. Its just that Kizaru is fighting an uphill battle rn. Even if he wouldnt struggle with his will. But since he is, he is laying on his back a lot and just not acting as efficient as he usually does, saturn even points that out. And thats Oda telling us whats the case rn. Its the exact same thing with Kuzan vs Garp, it literally happened in the same arc. The difference is just that Garp is a weaker opponent than Luffy and Garp was being bullied a bit by the rest of the Blackbeard Pirates, like Shiryu.
@@martin-nj5de I never said he was. It's obvious that Saturn is stronger than Kizaru. But when I said "stronger than all characters in this arc" I was referring to people he could potentially fight against.
bro since the yonko were introduced oda specificaly said the yonko were a league above the admirals. plus kizaru is getting bent over right now admirals get destroyed by yonko and its not even close. reread water 7 when garp arrives
G5 is great...why? Oda would have had to portray Luffy as a menace like Kaido to defeat such opponent, but G 5 is just luffy being luffy and still winning
G5 isnt luffy. Due to luffy playing around with his opponents instead of getting rid of them caused sentomaru to be injured by lucci. Kizaru to kill vegapunk and dude even had usopp in a choke hold and caused saturn to Summon strong opponents who may kill his crew. This isnt the luffy who broke the mirror in whole cake to make sure no one gets to his crew. Dude is a emperor but cant save his friends. Shanks is a person know to not take things seriously but when he saw his crew about to die due to kid he just got rid of the threat right there
@sanjivinsmoke2149 bro stop coping. If Saturn had no regeneration , he would have killed them both and saved his friends. We even see him serious in g5 in this chapter so that disproves your claims
Idk if this works for you, but I can swipe the comments section to the right and see the chat (as you see it while in stream) instead of having to see the black messages on screen.
Zoro had arguably his best Arc in Wano, I think people were expecting alittle too much. And Ussop has more of an emotional connection to Elbaf, he'll have his moments in that Arc, they're long overdue.
I honestly think Luffy now is in the top 5 strongest if not somewhere in the middle of the top 10. Like, I think the only people left who could tango with Luffy now and potentially win are like Imu, Shanks, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Dragon and Akainu. There are only a handful of people that can match up to Luffy now in the story that's alive at least.
On a random note: Imagine if there was a combined attack from Akainu, Caesar Clown and Whitebeard’s df powers. That’d be a straight up volcanic eruption!
I think it’s a little premature to call the 10 min timer stupid since we don’t know when the message was created. Could’ve been after the Straw Hats showed up.
2:18:00 we cant talk about what ifs. If we're gonna talk about what ifs like if the boat wasnt there then you have to apply that to the first fight where they are both down but kizaru gets up first and couldve killed luffy before he got back up
Power scaling aside, are you just completely going to ignore everything ODA has shown us regarding kizaru not wanting to kill/hurt vegapunk and his friends but he knows he was to. And when he finally does it, is it so hard for you to comprehend that he’s sad now?!? And when Luffy grabs him he’s not moving so why are you claiming he’s going at the speed of light. Kinda ironic that you’re telling the admiral fanboys they are making up headcanon. At this point we’re reading two different stories rn
The amount of Kizaru coping reminds me of staunch defenders of Smoker back in Punk Hazard when he was fighting Vergo and retrieved Law’s heart. He had to use all the smoke as a distraction BECAUSE he couldn’t beat Vergo straight on, but people said he lost because he wasn’t trying to beat Vergo 🤦🏾♂️😂
I get the sense Oda has never liked strict power levels, he writes battles to be entertaining first and foremost, Luffy pancakes two major baddies because its entertaining, likewise if the admirals have to feel threatening again Oda will make them so.
I bet the stream isn’t streaming from egghead. Vegapunk filmed it at egghead to make people think it’s streaming on egghead. However, Vegapunk could have this message stem from a safe location, far from egghead.
Heard a theory it's been streamed from Ohara ( shaka saying O'Hara has won) Or somewhere else with the help of dragon and sabo...as it seems like they know something
@@YokaiGothathere is no evidence for it being in the tree, that’s just a cool idea. I’d argue there is evidence for it being in another location. First, the use of a ten minute timer before relaying any portion of message is just odd. It would be safer to start and repeat incase it gets interrupted. That’s why I think the ten min timer is a bluff to draw the Gorosei to Egghead to expose them. Since this is purely theory based, this is obviously the weakest point. Second, Morgan’s points out the time of the recording is different from Egghead’s current time. This means the stream is either (a) live via punk records in a different location than Egghead (hence the different time zones) or (b) prerecorded. If streaming live from another location, Vegapunk’s confidence makes sense. However, if it’s prerecorded, it makes no sense for Vegapunk to believe the stream could be on Egghead without being interrupted for ten minutes. He knew the world government might come for his life at any time. They’ve been a constant threat, he’s betrayed them multiple times. Shaka even said at the start of the arc that geniuses can see the future and he’ll be dead soon. Knowing this, Vegapunk would have taken precautions to protect the stream. The most natural, is to put it where the Gorosei won’t think (perhaps carried somewhere at Punk Hazard). However, if streaming from Egghead, Vegapunk would have asked Luffy or the others to protect the stream; just like how Vegapunk asked Luffy to watch over Bonney.
idk how to feel abt akainu tbh feel like luffy could low diff - mid diff him alrdy perhaps we get a sabo vs akainu match up so that sabo gets more spotlight :/ feel like that would be more suspenseful though
But blackbeards ace in the sleeve is that he can turn off devil fruit powers. Which is why I think the only high diff fights left for Luffy in the story is Imu and Blackbeard. Luffy will reach max level haki vs blackbeard and beat him with haki alone.
@@donnieward6287LOL i forgot and thought this was chapter discussion because the opening conversation was so fun. I'm so done with Power-Scaling that i forgot it lol but i did watch his rankings, i just skip the usual repetitive rants, its tiresome
I think we're overplaying how big this feat is. Oda might be giving Luffy shine but I don't think it'll stick. Saturn is coming right back, and Kizaru isn't shown to be knocked out or anything. Shanks on the other hand, one shot a 3 bil man and his right hand. CLEAN. Luffy is not there yet. He might have the potential right now but I think we're overselling atm.
One shotting Kidd isn’t impressive. Kaido can do that and Kaido literally did it to Luffy when Luffy was worth a billion. Kidd isn’t Kizaru. Luffy just no diffed Kizaru and laughed at him. Saturn literally said Luffy was too strong for Kizaru
One shotting kid doesn't mean crap Kizaru shits on kid and killer easy The literal only reason kizaru isn't dead eas that there just happened to be a marine ship there
Having Mihawk be put on the level of Kaido, Shanks, etc. literally makes zero sense when we saw him fight in Marineford on a level below the admirals. He literally tried killing Luffy and got stuck with Vista instead. Kaido, Shanks, etc. would literally go for Whitebeard directly in that situation. No Vista can stop them.
If he ever dueled with shanks on equal footing putting him below just admiral level is crazy. And he didn’t try seriously killing anyone bro. He trained zoro the next arc. and in very early one piece let he luffy and them go cuz he wanted to see what they were capable of; why would he do that just to kill luffy a few months later.
@@simulatedheartbreak With Mihawk training he was not even close to Mingo in Dressrosa he needed Oden blade to beat a commander and if Mihawk had done something to Luffy in eastblue he would be killed by Garp, Dragon ,Sabo ,Ace/WB pirates ,Shanks
Luffy's power increase from WCI to Egghead was so massive it's almost unbelievable, getting 1 tapped by kaido to playing around with saturn/kizaru is nuts
I think the broadcast is still coming from Egghead, but not from the Labophase. I think the signal is coming from the apple stem on Vegapunk’s head. This allows for Luffy to still fulfill his promise of getting Vegapunk off of the island while still allowing Vegapunk to be dead. This also gives importance to Sanji who is carrying Vegapunk’s dead body.
saturn is more of a hax unit than actually strong ngl he is like a combination of magellan boa hancock and marcos devil fruit without actual strenght for himself he relies on his regen and posion that luffy can easily counter i think kizaru isnt handicapped physically but mentally people say its admiral cope but garp said it himself no resilve=no strenght kizaru be crying and regretting i cant take him seriously enough to say he is at full strenght at this ppoint even greenbull has better feats than him and green bull is narratively weaker than him lol anyway the way vegapunk dies or lives will determine what i think about kizaru cause right now bro is lying down in a marine battle ship while the grorosei is fighting its giving me squirl vibes
I really don’t get how yall think saying kizaru isn’t trying is coping. It’s so damn clear. And morj, he dies???? Did you just forget the dude was flying earlier?!?!? He’s grieving vegapunks death rn. I’m not even an admiral fan. If anything it’s more cope to say Luffy is no diffing them
Luffy definitely beats Zoro 99 times out of 100, but Zoro could win. Luffy does not stomp Zoro and Zoro even has a tiny chance to win. Zoro could try to hold him off until his transformation poops out. If he can get through the small window of time Luffy has as gear fifth, Zoro could slice him to ribbons.
Morj the 10 minutes wait is only contrived if the transmission IS coming from Egghead, but we don't know that for a fact, the Gorosei are just making assumptions.
Morj when you say you think Luffy will be executed at the end of the story, why? He just saved the world, i know hes a pirate, but why would the world execute him?
"Mihawk was stuck fighting Vista." The fact that we have all the development for Mihawk character showing he wouldn't go all out against Vista yet you still leave this asinine comments. Mihawk was introduced outright saying he doesn't go all out on weaker opponents. Just say you can't read and stop pretending like someone should take you seriously.
This conclusion can only be had by running away with this chapter. Kizaru isn’t knocked out he just took damage so we have to wait and see what he does next
@@KurokamiNajimiwhile he did acknowledge Vista as an impressive swordsman this doesn't change that its within his character to not go all out against weaker opponents. The statement about him not holding back against luffy doesn't mean that was him using his maximum power, thats just an interpretation. Another way to view that statement is that he wouldn't hold back his resolve to try to kill luffy in that moment as a way to test if fate is truly on his side, that scene was their purely to demonstrate that luffy is fated to be great not to display mihawks true abilities. Jozu blocking his attack literally doesn't matter because that attack was meant for whitebeard, it is stated early in the series that a master swordsman only cuts what he intends to cut. If they do not wish to cut something then even a leaf won't be sliced by their blade and mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman, the implication here being that he only ever cuts what he intends to cut. That attack wasn't meant for jozu and it especially wasn't meant to cut diamond so bringing this up isn't some sort of anti feat that shows mihawk is commander level. The story doesn't support any of you mihawk haters at all, he is the man who stands at the top waiting for someone more powerful than shanks to challenge him. He has to be more powerful than shanks by default and it has been supported by multiple statements. At bare minimum hes relative to him so no mihawk isn't Vista level, he isn't known to try his best at all times. He's characterized by literally being bored of life and he only participated in marineford out of obligation so he didn't lose his warlord status. He had to show up not show out lmao
Running with the idea that saturn or any of the gorosei are on the same level as the admirals is pure headcannon. This is not an idea that has been supported by the story, nothing saturn has done is more impressive than kizaru or any admiral. As far as we can tell saturn is just someone with a really strong devil fruit but what has he actually done? The only thing that he has that seems more impressive than an admiral is his endurance thanks to his regeneration. His attack power, speed and defense are all just okay, kizaru has actually been shown capable of combating luffy multiple times. It wasnt even until gear 5th that luffy started being an actual threat to kizaru, even still kizaru has reacted and defended himself from practically every attack luffy has thrown. Literally the only times we've seen kizaru get tagged by luffy is when hes focusing his attention on attacking something else. To pretend this doesnt matter is disingenuous, jozu hit aokiji because he was fighting whitebeard. The moment aokiji focused on jozu he froze his arm off, the fact that the only time kizaru has been hit is when hes in the middle of attacking someone else matters. This is without bringing up unconfirmed possibilties like an awakening or the fact that his resolve is weakened because he has to kill people he cares about. Kinda like how in water 7 when the crew didnt understand why robin was leaving, their weaken resolves made it where they stood no chance against CP9. Literally maybe a few hours later the same strawhats with renewed resolve and purpose are able to overwhelm cp9, and thats not even mentioning we know cp9 was holding back the first time they won. So yeah kizaru could very easily be mentally nerfed here but still trying lmao we've seen the strawhats try the same thing.
I also forgot morj loves giving luffy the benefit of the doubt in regards to being nerfed, kaido vs luffy for example he states over and over that luffy was damaged more. Well round 1 of luffy vs kizaru ends with them both on the ground because luffy had to use his entire gear 5 timer to put kizaru down when he's focused solely on luffy. Then luffy gets a shit ton of food which we know literally refills his stamina/heals him, while kizaru gets no such assistance. He simply stands back up and gets back to work so this is a refreshed luffy vs an already somewhat fatigued kizaru that morj is harping on. Kizaru still isn't even down for the count and doesn't seem like he's actually taking long term battle ending damage, we will see him get back up and continue fighting again with just a slight break on the bench. This is literally the same thing people did with akainu vs whitebeard, the only time whitebeard made akainu look bad was after he attacked him off guard and akainu was out for a couple of chapters. He later gets back up with with way less serious injuries than the ones he gave WB but somehow the admirals aren't that strong because they got hurt from an attack? Why do yall ignore the fact that the attacks yall are praising to high heaven are being endured by these admirals? We can all agree the dawn cymbal and whitebeards quake attack were extremely powerful yet when kizaru and akainu stand right back up and get right back in the fight they are still somehow fodder thats being low diffed?
Mihawk doesn’t leech off Shanks because the DP isn’t just a slash it’s a wave of Haki look at Roger vs Oden. Mihawk can’t do what he did to GB and we can’t say he has the same physical ability. Kaido didn’t say G5 Luffy was using king’s in that moment just that he has the ability to. In that panel his hand wasn’t black the way it has been in other panels Marco vs King and Queen is another example of mental gymnastics. If the author wanted you to think King>Marco or that he’s even close to him he obviously wouldn’t have depicted it the way it was
The admiral fanboys still riding them hard is kinda embarrassing now… and the fact is we all knew this was ALWAYS the case but they kept ignoring the clues. When a old, sick, with a gaping hole in his chest, Whitebeard two shotted their beloved Akainu, they said how he got back up and took Whitebeard’s face completely ignoring that Akainu was knocked out and in a real fight, Whitebeard would have chopped his head off as he laid there unconscious. Then Shanks openly challenged Akainu and he backdown. Despite his ego and anger, he knew he didn’t want that smoke. Then Shanks making Green Bull shit himself from over 50 miles away with Wi-Fi Haki. Then Garp manhandling Aokiji to the point 5 BB captains had to gank an old man Garp to beat him. Then Kizaru himself backing down from Shanks in Film Red. Kizaru failing to put down old man Rayleigh in Sabody. So many examples of anti Admiral feats. SO MANY…
Mr Morj, I completely agree with you. It's an absolute joke to downplay Luffy after everything that has happened. It's very clear that Luffy is absolutely clowning 🤡 these 2 characters atm. However, at the same time, it is extremely unfair of you to not acknowledge that Kizaru is DEFINITELY experiencing some emotional turmoil, due to having to kill an old friend. I mean he is literally going "huff huff" crying on the boat with his hand covering his eyes. You can't ignore that. Like you said: I don't think Kizaru is just fucking around, but you can't really ignore that panel imo.
He’s huffing bc he’s getting his ass kicked lol but I think ppl are jumping the gun he didn’t low dif them he just damaged them. It’s similar to saying Marco was gonna low-mid dif King and Queen because the interaction started with him grabbing both at once
@@KurokamiNajimi I agree on the your point with Marco but that panel where Kizaru is laying on the boat... you can't honestly think that him having his hand over his eyes and crying is because he is getting his ass kicked? No. It's obvious that he is emotionally stricken with guilt. I don't think he is really holding back all that much like Morj says, but this is definitely a hard thing for him to do. Edit: even in the beginning of the arc he literally says to Jay Garcia that "personal feelings are involved," whereupon which Jay responds "I understand."
@@kilsgb He’s not crying and it was never stated he’s nerfed. When a character is nerfed Oda explicitly says it like he did for the Admirals against the Revs (emphasized 3 times) and Garp being weakened against Aokiji (emphasized 4 times lol)
Luffy is a beast I get not liking his style but can’t overlook him he is already Stronger then everyone besdies imu and shanks and will surpass shanks soon and bb when gets his third fruit will surpass him until they fight and luffy will master his fruit and pass him again
Why do people not want Luffy to be strong? I don’t understand it. The headcanon to make Kizaru or Kaido or whoever else stronger than him is so weird. Do yall not like the main character of the story or something?😂
I never understand this either most say ya he will be strongest at end but then rate him low still even tho we are close to the endgame everyone rates luffy so low the main character and rate ppl he beats over him constantly. I’ve Hurd arguments for 3 ppl he has beaten being stronger then him after there fight no other character deals with this
Im a huge fan Morj, you taught me how to better analyze what im reading. I hardly disagree,but i gotta say, kaido could have dodged bajrang gun and chose to take it. Theres probably multiple little things people can point to thats weird about the fight but it probably wouldn't have been so bad if kaido didnt actually verbalize that he was fine with staying and taking the attack. And he was just clearly winning, making the fight which is a great spectacle, seem anticlimactic at the very end
@@teddysama5745who knows. But the way it was handled was at least significantly odd. There's a reason fights like Kaido and Katakuri are controversial and all the prior fights arent.
@@Teddy_Gautier ok. I will bite. Let’s follow in universe logic. Let’s say he could dodge. But he couldn’t, right? That’s why Luffy was holding him. Luffy let him go only once he promised not to dodge. Luffy knows when someone lies so he knew Kaido meant it and let go
Roger feats, Attacked Oden and after that Oden get up and fight three days and night. Young Kaido feats, One shot Oden who can use ACOC haki and didn't even used his hybrid form. Prime WB feats, fight Roger three days and night without using his df. But still, Roger dickriding is so off the chart that his fangirl still have nerve to put him Above Kaido and Prime WB. That's why I always thankful to God, that Oda is writting the story.
Except Oden was not looking at Kaido when he was hit. His attention shifted to Higurashi. We know that characters take more damage when they're off guard.
@@yugfus doesn't matter, same thing can be applied to Kid when he was one shotted by shanks. We can say that Kid didn't expect shanks will jump on him. And we can also say that Kizaru is also mentally unstable and didn't going all out against Luffy right now. There are many possibilities. But facts remain the same that Kaido one shot Oden and Roger didn't
These things matter for them, too. I actually think if Kid was prepared he wouldn't have been one shot. I think Shanks is far stronger but I don't think he'd one shot without the element of surprise. @mr.overlord7410
Roger is quite literally above Kaido. Kaido himself praised Roger as above him due to Haki. You claim to like Oda writing the story but apparently you don't even read.
No. Luffy can most definitely become pirate king before meeting Imu even once 🤨 IMU is literally not a factor in pirate king at all. It's most likely Luffy fights Imu after becoming pirate king.
The gorosei could be weaker than kaido. They did say that they had to kill Luffy at the risk of angering Kaido. If they could easily take down Kaido, why would they even care about angering him? and why didn't they take down the Yonko all these years if they could?
If everything that happened didn’t tell you ”Mr. Unclear Justice” is mentally going through it I don’t know what to tell you Morj… no one is seriously saying Kizaru over Luffy
@@teddysama5745 I think OG admirals ≈ Luffy was an OKish take after Luffy vs Kizaru round 1. Problem is Luffy ate and got zenkai-boosted, hardly fair for Kizaru imo. RN Luffy>>Kizaru is facts but Kizaru being mentally nerfed is also facts… these aren’t mutually exclusive
All these Kizaru debates are irksome. Luffy is in another league. People are legitimately just forgetting that he has the power to destroy an island. Kaido was sent underground unconscious because he's made of titanium. Anyone else would be dead.
I’d say EOS Blackbeard, Imu, shanks, akainu will all be extreme diff. Hopefully he actually fights them instead of landing attacks on them when they’re occupied with something else
Luffy already beats akainu mid diff Stop coping Kizaru and saturn together couldnt even injure luffy Akainu at most is a little bit stronger than kizaru in some areas The difference is very minor The fact that luffy can deal with him and Saturn who is around that lvl shows that akainu doesnt have a chance And it was already clear after luffy beat kaido who is stronger than any admiral
@@KeinProblem-uv5jh He’s obviously not going to be the same as Kizaru who clearly isn’t even wanting to be there to begin with Fleet admiral and admirals are not the same thing
@@YesLads-tt6ue”Fleet Admiral and Admiral are not the same thing” where are you getting that from? Aokiji would have been FA if Akainu wasn’t interested and there’s nothing suggesting Aokiji is stronger than Kizaru. Other way around in fact. Introduced weakest to strongest. Kizaru matched against Marco Aokiji against Jozu. Kizaru clean at the end of MF, Aokiji marked up. Kizaru looks better against Luffy in the first fight than Aokiji looked against Garp
@@GourSmithakainu and luffy have been clearly set up as philosophical antithesis, and Akainu is the strongest marine in history. It would be extremely odd for luffy to never fight the strongest marine considering all luffy does is fight the strongest ppl
Said it since Sabo had blue flames, Sabo kills Akainu because blue flames burn hot enough to burn magma but Ace's red flames can't burn that hot. Also said for a while the Man Marked by Flames is the former Warlord Ace beat but didn't kill.
Luffy should lose all physical strength if he lost his devil fruit power??? wtf…. Yo luffy is one of the most physically freakish people in the verse with no devil fruit! He’s garos fucking grandson! Look at what he was doing in want when he had the sea prism stone shackles.. awful take
Kaido is still stronger than Luffy in gear 5.A full healthy Kaido who uses all his advanced hakis and strongest attacks from the start Luffy will lose for sure .Kaido can last for days .
@@Shubham-hr5uw bro luffy haven't fight anybody till now on 1v1 doesn't prove anything lmao... All enemies luffy going to fight after this will be stronger... Atleast imu will be....but for God sake stop saying luffy is weaker then kaido 🙂
@@kushagrapandey8898 i think you need to read the manga again, Kaido feats make him stronger. Luffy gear 5 stamina is 5 min, Luffy win that fight because of plot armour.
@@Shubham-hr5uw that's your assumption.... Kaido was not on brink of death... Luffy was... And despite of low stamina, nearly dead situation he beats kaido... And that's a fact not like your theory.... You need to read it again with different glasses
To answer the title of the stream,shanks has been portrayed as a stepping stone,and until luffy returns the hat,shanks will be stronger Kaido is stronger than shanks as per vol 102 back,Mihawk also stornger than shanks,old wb is stated the WSP,meaning hes even stronger,and all the other old gen would upscale too
Uhhh no wtf only person stronger than Shanks here is Whitebeard. Kaido and Mihawk’s portrayal is nothing to Shanks’, Luffy already surpassed Kaido it was stated by Kaido himself Luffy is a worthy opponent he wanted to prove he’s superior to and then he lost with the fight ending literally telling us Joy Boy is who will defeat me
@@KurokamiNajimiMihawk is stated stronger than shanks,and kaido is stated the strongest man in the world in vol 102 I'm not going to take someone's intepretation of the narrative over a concrete statement from a narrator. You can just as easily say luffys true strength as joyboy is the ability to make friends,which is why he beat kaido,I don't feel that thematic arguments are very concrete
@@amogus1415 Mihawk and Kaido are never stated stronger than Shanks in the Manga, Mihawk’s title is irrelevant because swordsmanship isn’t Shanks’ only weapon idk why you guys act so obtuse on this topic. The DP is not a sword slash it’s a wave of Haki using the sword as a channel go back and look at Roger vs Oden. Same way Whitebeard uses his bisento with his fruit. Even if I gave you a huge steelman which we have absolutely no reason to believe at this point in time and say Mihawk can do everything Shanks can with Haki that still doesn’t make Mihawk stronger it just means they’re very close with Mihawk having the edge in sword skill and Shanks having the edge in Haki power. No different than Roger vs Whitebeard where Whitebeard had all Haki powers and the strongest DF and STILL couldn’t defeat Roger (to avoid any headcanon of WB>Roger when he dies at the end of MF the narrator says he was the equal to even the pirate king) which is why Kaido stated Roger proved Haki is king I will give Mihawk king’s coating guaranteed but not advanced ryou (the no touching), what Shanks did to Green Bull, future sight, what Garp and Koby have shown, Big Mom destroying missiles with king’s without lifting a finger so imagine what Shanks can do. Mihawk isn’t even in Kaido’s top 5 but Oden who we know for a fact doesn’t have advanced ryou was. He was surprised when he saw Roger and WB do it (and at Roger’s DP). And no Oden didn’t get stronger after that, what was stated is he got stronger after traveling not specifically from that fight. He traveled 5 years 4 of them were with WB. He was 33 during that fight the same age Shanks was when he became a Yonko. Nor does he show any of it against Kaido For Kaido I’m assuming you’re talking about the publisher character comments in the volumes those aren’t any different than databooks. Whitebeard’s says he’s the strongest pirate while at MF. I love how you ignore the Luffy panel while using other false statements. You’re also ignoring Kaido’s own words how are you gonna say Shanks an upcoming opponent for Luffy is weaker than Kaido when Kaido thinks Luffy was a worthy opponent even before he unlocked Gear 5th? Shanks objectively has FAR better feats and portrayal and is probably Luffy’s final opponent for the One Piece judging by the series starting with them, Luffy saying he will defeat all Yonko singling out that Shanks can’t be first in Punk Hazard and he keeps pushing back their meeting with the Red Hair Pirates having already left Elbaf. Big Mom whose story isn’t finished with foreshadows of being alive including the film red appearance in Elbaf (I cringe every time Morj mentions them meeting in Elbaf) is who goes down in Elbaf That terrible theory where Shanks is killed off before reuniting with Luffy reducing his character to a pointless hype tool and wasting 30 years of build up obviously isn’t happening in of itself but when Oda has said when Shanks showing up again and again means we’re towards the end. Tell me what narrative happens with the tail end of the series where Shanks and BB are still active. Oda has also said twice that the series ends when the One Piece is found. Everyone acts like BB or Imu are guaranteed to be Luffy’s final fight when in fact it’s Shanks who has the highest chance of that. Personally I’d like to see the WG go down first then BB and end with Shanks. Reason being there’s no other scenario that would feel satisfactory for him compared to Blackbeard and Imu who can still be impactful without being last
niceeee hahahaaaa…. I’m sure 8 mins would be like 10-15 chapters hahahaaaaa…. 5:00 trueee hahaha….. 6:55 hahahahaaaa… liked the 10 min timer cause I knew there was no way Oda would have given us the info……….. 17:15 yes, unless Vegapunk recorded mutiple videos and depending on the situation………….. 21:30 yessss hahahaaaa….. he should have made Rogers bounty higher……… I still believe luffy got stronger because Bonney believed more on Nika………. 47:40 would be funny to show this to someone who doesn’t read Op and ask hahahaaaaa…: 1:01:29 hahahaaaaa…. 1:03:29 hahahahaaa….. 1:09:15 yep……….. 1:15:10 hahahaaaaaa ……. 1:35:40 hahahaaaaaa…. 1:58:10 hahahahaaaaa
To chat saying 3 admirals would beat luffy. The chapter literally ends with 1. Kizaru out for the count again, 2. Saturn never landing a hit and only still being alive due to his hax regen, and 3. Saturn literally calling all his boys to help jump Luffy because, being charitable as possible, Saturn knows he cannot beat luffy in time to also stop the broadcast. Like without Saturns hax Luffy should be able to kill him so he(Saturn) needs a bunch of other, assumably, haxed colleagues to jump Luffy or distract him while one goes and tries to stop the broadcast. This isnt head cannon, this is literally whats happening
@KurokamiNajimi bros literally in the same pose as when he was knocked out. Also, did he immediately get up and keep fighting? No, he's laid out for the rest of the chapter.
@@donnieward6287 He was never knocked out at point in this arc, not much time has passed since landing on the ship and Saturn summoning the others he’s probably gonna get up next chapter
@KurokamiNajimi maybe he will. Also he was literally unable to move? Maybe that's not "knocked out" but that's incapacitated. Granted so was luffy but let's not lie and say Kizaru was never incapacitated
@@donnieward6287 If Luffy wasn’t getting nerfed throughout the arc he wouldn’t have needed Gear 5th to beat him. I’m waiting until it’s fully over to celebrate, I’m not just looking for a victory everyone knew Luffy was stronger I’m looking for a mid dif. High dif Zoro type fight would be the worst scenario
Morj you normally have good takes but luffy beating 3 admirals is just ridiculous. Luffy is doing zero damage to Saturn and kizaru doesn’t want to be there. Luffy can not put down kizaru and Saturn for long enough to win the fight.
Bro Kizaru doesn't want to fight is just assumptions readers makes on their own.... Clearly oda showed he wants to go all out.... And reality is that whole navy fleet with gorosei and admiral and cp0.... No one could do anything to luffy till now.... IDK what you r reading bro
G5 ruineebLuffy. He was playing around with lucci and got sentomaru injured. He was playing around with kizaru and got vegapunk dead. Also kizaru had usopp in a choke hold and luffy was not taking it seriously. He was playing around with saturn and now he summoned more strong opponents who can possibly kill his crew. This isn't the same luffy who broke the mirror in whole cake so no one gets to his crew. He is a emperor and yet cant save his friends. Shanks messes around and has fun but when he saw kid about to destroy his crew he just took care of the threat how a yonko would.
@re_striker3431 true. But he never let it get to the point where his friends get injured due to playing around with the opponent. Explain lucci then. Dude almost killed sentomaru and is actively trying to kidnap robin and luffy is just laughing his ass Off.
@@Leonkennedy19992 yes but as soon as he noticed vegapunk was injured, he used a gatling move. That is the most luffy thing ever and is clearly in character for him to do that. Even with lucci, obs haki is not on at all times so it makes sense for luffy to not notice lucci blitzing sentomaru when lucci has sky walk and shave. Luffy was clearly serious when that happened and proceeded to beat luccis ass
Kaido disrepect is real. There is no one in current one piece who beat kaido in 1v1. From now, luffu will always fight 1v2, 1v3... Etc. Kaido was last enemy he fought 1v1. BB will bring pluton to fight luffy
Luffy wouldve never caught Kizaru if it wasn’t for the vegapunk assassination mission. Kizaru was never 100% focused on the luffy fight, rather was chasing vegapunk and fending off luffy while doing so
Cap When he got one shotted the first time he was attacking luffy and luffy countered him and put him down in one attack Also luffy in this chapter dodged a point blank attack from kizaru There is literally no better place for an attack to land and he still couldnt touch luffy Luffy is faster and stronger than kizaru Easy win for luffy with zero damage Saturn>kizaru
Isn’t it obvious? Cmon no one can actually be thinking some1 beast gear 5 Luffy now. Gorosei we’re hyped up for 700+ chapters….and in their first fight Luffy is smacking them…one piece will never be the same 😂
Akainu is still stronger than luffy rn. Akainu is stronger than prime sengoku (new gen generally > old gen), and sengoku was relative to the pirate king. Therefore Akainu is =/> than pirate king level. If luffy and akainu fight, then Akainu narratively will be stronger than luffy, and luffy will get stronger mid fight and win extreme diff. The only possible way Akainu is weaker than luffy is if Akainu and luffy never fight
we’re lucky it’s vegapunk in charge of the broadcast instead of morj: we’d be getting the truth of the world three days late because he was in the shower
Morj day 3 of asking you to change the font color of chat so it’s not black on a black background
Ultimate Gear 5 Luffy is going to gigantify to the size of the world, use the red line like a ship’s helm, and steer the globe into the sun
☠️☠️☠️ this sounds so reasonably accurate
unironically admiral cope is a side effect of how good pre time skip was at hyping the prominent top tiers at the time
Yeah, that's a very positive way to think.
But good hype being shot down is bad writing no matter how you put it.
@@MihawkTopOneyou’re name tells me that you probably wouldn’t be a sufficient writer yourself.
Admirals were never hyped as top tier at any point that’s literally fandom headcanon that’s the point of Yonko vs Admiral and Commanders vs Admirals. The first major fight an Admiral had was old Rayleigh vs Kizaru and the first thing that comes out of Kizaru’s mouth is that he can’t bring him in alone
@@KurokamiNajimino. Admirals are top tier
I disagree with Morjs logic, if Devil fruit users did not have that glaring weakness it wouldn’t be a low diff to throw them in the ocean.
Luffy fought Lucci and did exactly the same thing in Enies Lobby but we know that Luffy could not low diff Lucci at the time.
Yeah his logic could easily be flipped against him in a few ways too. When kizaru kicked luffy through the light barrier had they been in a different location he could've kicked luffy straight into the sea. Luffy was unable to stop the momentum of that attack so kizaru low diffs luffy? Also if they were in a different environment like the middle of wano, no where near the sea then what? The question then becomes if there's no water does that attack take out kizaru? The boat being there answers that question, that attack isn't enough to take him out. Morj is basically arguing that winning by ring out means its a low diff, then big mom got low diffed by kidd and law on the rooftop it just took one rock lmao
@@LuciusFox24I do think that Kizaru is getting low diffed right now, I also wish someone had brought up Logia awakening because I fully believe that an Awakened logia would be able to match ACOC attacks.
There has to be a reason why Logia’s are so rare and it can’t just be that they make you invincible against non Haki users.
@@MrBassem95 kizaru is definitely getting low diffed at this moment but context matters as well. He didn't get low diffed earlier 1 v 1, luffy was low diffed by Rob Lucci their first fight because of luffy not being certain where Robin stands. I don't believe this situation is indicative of how a full fledged fight between the 2 of them would play though. I believe kizaru can put up a better fight and I believe he has more abilities in his bag that he hasn't used yet.
jinbe not in the top slander tier is wild after the “dirty fishman blood”/“fat and useless” comments 😭
Not top tier
@@royalfun1031 Depends on how you scale Who's Who. Someone that never fought anyone but Jinbe. Someone that openly challenged King and Queen without repercussion. Jinbe got the better of Big Mom twice. People who slander him simply don't have any evidence for their claims.
@@derrickmiles5240both queen and king destroys jimbei respectfully 😅
@@OexiO99 This arc doesn't make Zoro or Sanji look very good at all. Are you sure they're not 3 and 4?
@@derrickmiles5240 what are you saying? They are in the monster trio jimbei is not
Luffy , shanks , garp , dragon...all are associated with foosha village and can't send them some money to buy a den den mushi 😂
reminder kizaru was stated as fastest admiral and luffy can keep up with him and even outpace him at times. so he would be faster than akainu and the rest of the admirals
Old Rayleigh kept pace with him as well though.
@@MihawkTopOnecause admirals aint that good have you ever thought about that
Speed is a broken ability in all stories and should not be taken seriously. If it was established that Luffy is actually faster than Kizaru, he could one shot any character from sheer speed and dodge every attack in the verse. This doesn't and will not happen.
@@MihawkTopOne rayleigh fast af
Oda just fumbling the bag w kizaru and his fruit. Shit makes no sense.
Luffy can beat Shanks right now, I believed Luffy could beat Shanks after he defeated Kaido, the strongest creature in the world
Luffy consitently gets stronger than the villain he has defeated the arc prior, even tho he struggled against them.
Luffy in Whole Cake is a different Luffy than the one in Dressrosa.
Luffy in Thriller Bark could combine Gears, which he couldnt handle in Enies Lobby.
Its consistent throughout the story. So yeah, Luffy going forward will not lose against enemies weaker than Kaido. And even if people say that Kaido is still stronger than luffy, he wont be by the end of this arc.
About the Kizaru situation: The situation was never that Kizaru can't kill Vegapunk or would never in a million years. Its that its hard for him to do, which isnt a made up consensus by people defending kizaru. Its literally what he himself was going on about for so many chapters.
Kizaru is still stronger than all characters in this arc except luffy and Saturn. But he is fighting an uphill battle. It was always shown that Admirals cant hold up against yonko. Its just that Kizaru is fighting an uphill battle rn. Even if he wouldnt struggle with his will. But since he is, he is laying on his back a lot and just not acting as efficient as he usually does, saturn even points that out. And thats Oda telling us whats the case rn. Its the exact same thing with Kuzan vs Garp, it literally happened in the same arc. The difference is just that Garp is a weaker opponent than Luffy and Garp was being bullied a bit by the rest of the Blackbeard Pirates, like Shiryu.
Kizaru is not stronger than Saturn.
@@martin-nj5de I never said he was. It's obvious that Saturn is stronger than Kizaru. But when I said "stronger than all characters in this arc" I was referring to people he could potentially fight against.
Common sense and referring to stated facts aren't allowed here.
bro since the yonko were introduced oda specificaly said the yonko were a league above the admirals. plus kizaru is getting bent over right now admirals get destroyed by yonko and its not even close. reread water 7 when garp arrives
G5 is great...why? Oda would have had to portray Luffy as a menace like Kaido to defeat such opponent, but G 5 is just luffy being luffy and still winning
G5 isnt luffy. Due to luffy playing around with his opponents instead of getting rid of them caused sentomaru to be injured by lucci. Kizaru to kill vegapunk and dude even had usopp in a choke hold and caused saturn to Summon strong opponents who may kill his crew. This isnt the luffy who broke the mirror in whole cake to make sure no one gets to his crew. Dude is a emperor but cant save his friends. Shanks is a person know to not take things seriously but when he saw his crew about to die due to kid he just got rid of the threat right there
@sanjivinsmoke2149 bro stop coping. If Saturn had no regeneration , he would have killed them both and saved his friends. We even see him serious in g5 in this chapter so that disproves your claims
its hard to read the chat with the messages being black instead of something visible
Idk if this works for you, but I can swipe the comments section to the right and see the chat (as you see it while in stream) instead of having to see the black messages on screen.
@@RaffDGoat i dont have that option. regardless, it should be readable without having to jump through hoops otherwise why bother
At least u can read live chat
@@RaffDGoatThanks for mentioning that I was confused on why I couldn’t find the live chat anymore
1:51:59 S tier superchat and reactions from Morj
Im still suprised people are so hype for ussop in elbaf after the absolute disappointments that have been zoro in wano and franky in egghead
Zoro had arguably his best Arc in Wano, I think people were expecting alittle too much. And Ussop has more of an emotional connection to Elbaf, he'll have his moments in that Arc, they're long overdue.
Lmao at Morj realizing he’s a dictator
I honestly think Luffy now is in the top 5 strongest if not somewhere in the middle of the top 10. Like, I think the only people left who could tango with Luffy now and potentially win are like Imu, Shanks, Mihawk, Blackbeard, Dragon and Akainu. There are only a handful of people that can match up to Luffy now in the story that's alive at least.
On a random note: Imagine if there was a combined attack from Akainu, Caesar Clown and Whitebeard’s df powers. That’d be a straight up volcanic eruption!
I think it’s a little premature to call the 10 min timer stupid since we don’t know when the message was created. Could’ve been after the Straw Hats showed up.
2:18:00 we cant talk about what ifs. If we're gonna talk about what ifs like if the boat wasnt there then you have to apply that to the first fight where they are both down but kizaru gets up first and couldve killed luffy before he got back up
Bro really asked if Hitler was dictator.
When I heard that Bonney theory about the robot I had the wake exact reaction as Morj lol
As a perpetually late person myself, pushing start times back doesn't help.
Power scaling aside, are you just completely going to ignore everything ODA has shown us regarding kizaru not wanting to kill/hurt vegapunk and his friends but he knows he was to. And when he finally does it, is it so hard for you to comprehend that he’s sad now?!? And when Luffy grabs him he’s not moving so why are you claiming he’s going at the speed of light. Kinda ironic that you’re telling the admiral fanboys they are making up headcanon. At this point we’re reading two different stories rn
The amount of Kizaru coping reminds me of staunch defenders of Smoker back in Punk Hazard when he was fighting Vergo and retrieved Law’s heart. He had to use all the smoke as a distraction BECAUSE he couldn’t beat Vergo straight on, but people said he lost because he wasn’t trying to beat Vergo 🤦🏾♂️😂
I get the sense Oda has never liked strict power levels, he writes battles to be entertaining first and foremost, Luffy pancakes two major baddies because its entertaining, likewise if the admirals have to feel threatening again Oda will make them so.
I bet the stream isn’t streaming from egghead. Vegapunk filmed it at egghead to make people think it’s streaming on egghead. However, Vegapunk could have this message stem from a safe location, far from egghead.
Heard a theory it's been streamed from Ohara ( shaka saying O'Hara has won)
Or somewhere else with the help of dragon and sabo...as it seems like they know something
@@Haseeb_1010 I love the idea of it streaming from Ohara. Especially if it’s coming from the fallen tree of knowledge.
@@YokaiGothathere is no evidence for it being in the tree, that’s just a cool idea. I’d argue there is evidence for it being in another location. First, the use of a ten minute timer before relaying any portion of message is just odd. It would be safer to start and repeat incase it gets interrupted. That’s why I think the ten min timer is a bluff to draw the Gorosei to Egghead to expose them. Since this is purely theory based, this is obviously the weakest point. Second, Morgan’s points out the time of the recording is different from Egghead’s current time. This means the stream is either (a) live via punk records in a different location than Egghead (hence the different time zones) or (b) prerecorded. If streaming live from another location, Vegapunk’s confidence makes sense. However, if it’s prerecorded, it makes no sense for Vegapunk to believe the stream could be on Egghead without being interrupted for ten minutes. He knew the world government might come for his life at any time. They’ve been a constant threat, he’s betrayed them multiple times. Shaka even said at the start of the arc that geniuses can see the future and he’ll be dead soon. Knowing this, Vegapunk would have taken precautions to protect the stream. The most natural, is to put it where the Gorosei won’t think (perhaps carried somewhere at Punk Hazard). However, if streaming from Egghead, Vegapunk would have asked Luffy or the others to protect the stream; just like how Vegapunk asked Luffy to watch over Bonney.
Kizaru not using awakening is a factor. MAYBE he's not awakened. But that's a little hard to believe.
idk how to feel abt akainu tbh
feel like luffy could low diff - mid diff him alrdy
perhaps we get a sabo vs akainu match up so that sabo gets more spotlight :/
feel like that would be more suspenseful though
But blackbeards ace in the sleeve is that he can turn off devil fruit powers. Which is why I think the only high diff fights left for Luffy in the story is Imu and Blackbeard. Luffy will reach max level haki vs blackbeard and beat him with haki alone.
As usual, the stream is fun if you skip all the Power-Scaling bs from 37:45 to 58:50, 1:03:40 to 1:38:00
This is literally a power scaling stream? Who can G5 Luffy beat now is literally the name and you're complaining about power scaling 😂
@@donnieward6287LOL i forgot and thought this was chapter discussion because the opening conversation was so fun. I'm so done with Power-Scaling that i forgot it lol but i did watch his rankings, i just skip the usual repetitive rants, its tiresome
@@thedoctor3528 nah 100 percent agree lol I fast forward the power scaling on his other videos because it is the same argument over and over
@@donnieward6287lets make a deal to leave timestamps for Power-Scaling so it makes it easier to skip 👀
I think we're overplaying how big this feat is. Oda might be giving Luffy shine but I don't think it'll stick. Saturn is coming right back, and Kizaru isn't shown to be knocked out or anything. Shanks on the other hand, one shot a 3 bil man and his right hand. CLEAN. Luffy is not there yet. He might have the potential right now but I think we're overselling atm.
One shotting Kidd isn’t impressive. Kaido can do that and Kaido literally did it to Luffy when Luffy was worth a billion. Kidd isn’t Kizaru. Luffy just no diffed Kizaru and laughed at him. Saturn literally said Luffy was too strong for Kizaru
One shotting kid doesn't mean crap
Kizaru shits on kid and killer easy
The literal only reason kizaru isn't dead eas that there just happened to be a marine ship there
@@number-qx1kwKizaru is not shitting on kid and law easy
Having Mihawk be put on the level of Kaido, Shanks, etc. literally makes zero sense when we saw him fight in Marineford on a level below the admirals. He literally tried killing Luffy and got stuck with Vista instead. Kaido, Shanks, etc. would literally go for Whitebeard directly in that situation. No Vista can stop them.
If he ever dueled with shanks on equal footing putting him below just admiral level is crazy. And he didn’t try seriously killing anyone bro. He trained zoro the next arc. and in very early one piece let he luffy and them go cuz he wanted to see what they were capable of; why would he do that just to kill luffy a few months later.
@@simulatedheartbreak With Mihawk training he was not even close to Mingo in Dressrosa he needed Oden blade to beat a commander and if Mihawk had done something to Luffy in eastblue he would be killed by Garp, Dragon ,Sabo ,Ace/WB pirates ,Shanks
Luffy's power increase from WCI to Egghead was so massive it's almost unbelievable, getting 1 tapped by kaido to playing around with saturn/kizaru is nuts
Kizaru wouldn’t of died without the ship we already saw Luffy try that and he just stopped himself before falling in the water
I think the broadcast is still coming from Egghead, but not from the Labophase. I think the signal is coming from the apple stem on Vegapunk’s head. This allows for Luffy to still fulfill his promise of getting Vegapunk off of the island while still allowing Vegapunk to be dead. This also gives importance to Sanji who is carrying Vegapunk’s dead body.
Morj demolished the admiral stans😂😂
saturn is more of a hax unit than actually strong ngl he is like a combination of magellan boa hancock and marcos devil fruit without actual strenght for himself he relies on his regen and posion that luffy can easily counter
i think kizaru isnt handicapped physically but mentally people say its admiral cope but garp said it himself no resilve=no strenght kizaru be crying and regretting i cant take him seriously enough to say he is at full strenght at this ppoint even greenbull has better feats than him and green bull is narratively weaker than him lol anyway the way vegapunk dies or lives will determine what i think about kizaru cause right now bro is lying down in a marine battle ship while the grorosei is fighting its giving me squirl vibes
13:40 you didn’t say hi to his friend andre
great stream. it's also insane how much people have went to bat for kizaru this arc. There's always an excuse
They always do that. They did that for Greenbull even
Good stream as usual 👍
I really don’t get how yall think saying kizaru isn’t trying is coping. It’s so damn clear. And morj, he dies???? Did you just forget the dude was flying earlier?!?!? He’s grieving vegapunks death rn. I’m not even an admiral fan. If anything it’s more cope to say Luffy is no diffing them
INB4 This ages like milk
Luffy definitely beats Zoro 99 times out of 100, but Zoro could win. Luffy does not stomp Zoro and Zoro even has a tiny chance to win. Zoro could try to hold him off until his transformation poops out. If he can get through the small window of time Luffy has as gear fifth, Zoro could slice him to ribbons.
No way bruh maybe he could but the odds are worse than 1 percent because he has too beat gear 2 4 and 5 and Luffy in base was clashing with kaido
@@orionparsons7631 who fought Kaido when Luffy was KO'd....Yamato and.....
Black chat text on Black/Grey background is crazy. White would be better.
Morj the 10 minutes wait is only contrived if the transmission IS coming from Egghead, but we don't know that for a fact, the Gorosei are just making assumptions.
Too much fun listening to Morj talking for 2 hours about how Luffy could have killed Kizaru if there was no ship
Morj when you say you think Luffy will be executed at the end of the story, why? He just saved the world, i know hes a pirate, but why would the world execute him?
Mihawk was stuck with Vista, and is Zoro's endgame. Zoro is stuck fighting Lucci. Luffy would stomp Mihawk.
"Mihawk was stuck fighting Vista."
The fact that we have all the development for Mihawk character showing he wouldn't go all out against Vista yet you still leave this asinine comments. Mihawk was introduced outright saying he doesn't go all out on weaker opponents.
Just say you can't read and stop pretending like someone should take you seriously.
@@MihawkTopOneLiteral headcanon. He stated he doesn’t hold back against Luffy and he respected Vista
This conclusion can only be had by running away with this chapter. Kizaru isn’t knocked out he just took damage so we have to wait and see what he does next
@@MihawkTopOne Someone who tried to measure himself up to old Whitebeard and got stuck with Vista instead have no right to even be compared to Luffy
@@KurokamiNajimiwhile he did acknowledge Vista as an impressive swordsman this doesn't change that its within his character to not go all out against weaker opponents. The statement about him not holding back against luffy doesn't mean that was him using his maximum power, thats just an interpretation. Another way to view that statement is that he wouldn't hold back his resolve to try to kill luffy in that moment as a way to test if fate is truly on his side, that scene was their purely to demonstrate that luffy is fated to be great not to display mihawks true abilities. Jozu blocking his attack literally doesn't matter because that attack was meant for whitebeard, it is stated early in the series that a master swordsman only cuts what he intends to cut. If they do not wish to cut something then even a leaf won't be sliced by their blade and mihawk is the world's greatest swordsman, the implication here being that he only ever cuts what he intends to cut. That attack wasn't meant for jozu and it especially wasn't meant to cut diamond so bringing this up isn't some sort of anti feat that shows mihawk is commander level. The story doesn't support any of you mihawk haters at all, he is the man who stands at the top waiting for someone more powerful than shanks to challenge him. He has to be more powerful than shanks by default and it has been supported by multiple statements. At bare minimum hes relative to him so no mihawk isn't Vista level, he isn't known to try his best at all times. He's characterized by literally being bored of life and he only participated in marineford out of obligation so he didn't lose his warlord status. He had to show up not show out lmao
3 whole islands dedicated to Vega punk the most hyped man and he dies a few chapters after finding him
One piece hype for life great 👍🏻 video nice 👍🏻 hype!!!!!!
Running with the idea that saturn or any of the gorosei are on the same level as the admirals is pure headcannon. This is not an idea that has been supported by the story, nothing saturn has done is more impressive than kizaru or any admiral. As far as we can tell saturn is just someone with a really strong devil fruit but what has he actually done? The only thing that he has that seems more impressive than an admiral is his endurance thanks to his regeneration. His attack power, speed and defense are all just okay, kizaru has actually been shown capable of combating luffy multiple times. It wasnt even until gear 5th that luffy started being an actual threat to kizaru, even still kizaru has reacted and defended himself from practically every attack luffy has thrown. Literally the only times we've seen kizaru get tagged by luffy is when hes focusing his attention on attacking something else. To pretend this doesnt matter is disingenuous, jozu hit aokiji because he was fighting whitebeard. The moment aokiji focused on jozu he froze his arm off, the fact that the only time kizaru has been hit is when hes in the middle of attacking someone else matters. This is without bringing up unconfirmed possibilties like an awakening or the fact that his resolve is weakened because he has to kill people he cares about. Kinda like how in water 7 when the crew didnt understand why robin was leaving, their weaken resolves made it where they stood no chance against CP9. Literally maybe a few hours later the same strawhats with renewed resolve and purpose are able to overwhelm cp9, and thats not even mentioning we know cp9 was holding back the first time they won. So yeah kizaru could very easily be mentally nerfed here but still trying lmao we've seen the strawhats try the same thing.
I also forgot morj loves giving luffy the benefit of the doubt in regards to being nerfed, kaido vs luffy for example he states over and over that luffy was damaged more. Well round 1 of luffy vs kizaru ends with them both on the ground because luffy had to use his entire gear 5 timer to put kizaru down when he's focused solely on luffy. Then luffy gets a shit ton of food which we know literally refills his stamina/heals him, while kizaru gets no such assistance. He simply stands back up and gets back to work so this is a refreshed luffy vs an already somewhat fatigued kizaru that morj is harping on. Kizaru still isn't even down for the count and doesn't seem like he's actually taking long term battle ending damage, we will see him get back up and continue fighting again with just a slight break on the bench. This is literally the same thing people did with akainu vs whitebeard, the only time whitebeard made akainu look bad was after he attacked him off guard and akainu was out for a couple of chapters. He later gets back up with with way less serious injuries than the ones he gave WB but somehow the admirals aren't that strong because they got hurt from an attack? Why do yall ignore the fact that the attacks yall are praising to high heaven are being endured by these admirals? We can all agree the dawn cymbal and whitebeards quake attack were extremely powerful yet when kizaru and akainu stand right back up and get right back in the fight they are still somehow fodder thats being low diffed?
Mihawk doesn’t leech off Shanks because the DP isn’t just a slash it’s a wave of Haki look at Roger vs Oden. Mihawk can’t do what he did to GB and we can’t say he has the same physical ability. Kaido didn’t say G5 Luffy was using king’s in that moment just that he has the ability to. In that panel his hand wasn’t black the way it has been in other panels
Marco vs King and Queen is another example of mental gymnastics. If the author wanted you to think King>Marco or that he’s even close to him he obviously wouldn’t have depicted it the way it was
Why is chat black over black background, can you fix that morg
Just watch the live feed 🤨
The admiral fanboys still riding them hard is kinda embarrassing now… and the fact is we all knew this was ALWAYS the case but they kept ignoring the clues.
When a old, sick, with a gaping hole in his chest, Whitebeard two shotted their beloved Akainu, they said how he got back up and took Whitebeard’s face completely ignoring that Akainu was knocked out and in a real fight, Whitebeard would have chopped his head off as he laid there unconscious.
Then Shanks openly challenged Akainu and he backdown. Despite his ego and anger, he knew he didn’t want that smoke.
Then Shanks making Green Bull shit himself from over 50 miles away with Wi-Fi Haki.
Then Garp manhandling Aokiji to the point 5 BB captains had to gank an old man Garp to beat him.
Then Kizaru himself backing down from Shanks in Film Red.
Kizaru failing to put down old man Rayleigh in Sabody.
So many examples of anti Admiral feats. SO MANY…
Mr Morj, I completely agree with you. It's an absolute joke to downplay Luffy after everything that has happened. It's very clear that Luffy is absolutely clowning 🤡 these 2 characters atm. However, at the same time, it is extremely unfair of you to not acknowledge that Kizaru is DEFINITELY experiencing some emotional turmoil, due to having to kill an old friend. I mean he is literally going "huff huff" crying on the boat with his hand covering his eyes. You can't ignore that.
Like you said: I don't think Kizaru is just fucking around, but you can't really ignore that panel imo.
He’s huffing bc he’s getting his ass kicked lol but I think ppl are jumping the gun he didn’t low dif them he just damaged them. It’s similar to saying Marco was gonna low-mid dif King and Queen because the interaction started with him grabbing both at once
@@KurokamiNajimi I agree on the your point with Marco but that panel where Kizaru is laying on the boat... you can't honestly think that him having his hand over his eyes and crying is because he is getting his ass kicked? No. It's obvious that he is emotionally stricken with guilt. I don't think he is really holding back all that much like Morj says, but this is definitely a hard thing for him to do.
Edit: even in the beginning of the arc he literally says to Jay Garcia that "personal feelings are involved," whereupon which Jay responds "I understand."
@@kilsgb He’s not crying and it was never stated he’s nerfed. When a character is nerfed Oda explicitly says it like he did for the Admirals against the Revs (emphasized 3 times) and Garp being weakened against Aokiji (emphasized 4 times lol)
Luffy is a beast I get not liking his style but can’t overlook him he is already
Stronger then everyone besdies imu and shanks and will surpass shanks soon and bb when gets his third fruit will surpass him until they fight and luffy will master his fruit and pass him again
@@SeanEvans-mx1gg He’s not surpassing Shanks until the end, BB isn’t getting another fruit/already has it
Im back after Wano bummed me out and Morj is a powerscaler now? And still no Wano analysis :(
Morgan is going to say that luffy kidnapped vegapunk and forced him to put this message out
Why do people not want Luffy to be strong? I don’t understand it. The headcanon to make Kizaru or Kaido or whoever else stronger than him is so weird. Do yall not like the main character of the story or something?😂
I never understand this either most say ya he will be strongest at end but then rate him low still even tho we are close to the endgame everyone rates luffy so low the main character and rate ppl he beats over him constantly. I’ve Hurd arguments for 3 ppl he has beaten being stronger then him after there fight no other character deals with this
Im a huge fan Morj, you taught me how to better analyze what im reading. I hardly disagree,but i gotta say, kaido could have dodged bajrang gun and chose to take it. Theres probably multiple little things people can point to thats weird about the fight but it probably wouldn't have been so bad if kaido didnt actually verbalize that he was fine with staying and taking the attack. And he was just clearly winning, making the fight which is a great spectacle, seem anticlimactic at the very end
How do you dodge an island sized punch? Where do you dodge it? Next island?
@@teddysama5745who knows. But the way it was handled was at least significantly odd. There's a reason fights like Kaido and Katakuri are controversial and all the prior fights arent.
@@teddysama5745the implication from Kaido was that he could have dodged it but chose to tank it. He basically said as much
@@Teddy_Gautier ok. I will bite. Let’s follow in universe logic. Let’s say he could dodge. But he couldn’t, right? That’s why Luffy was holding him. Luffy let him go only once he promised not to dodge. Luffy knows when someone lies so he knew Kaido meant it and let go
@@teddysama5745Kaido was on fire if he tried to move Luffy would struggle holding him
Roger feats, Attacked Oden and after that Oden get up and fight three days and night.
Young Kaido feats, One shot Oden who can use ACOC haki and didn't even used his hybrid form.
Prime WB feats, fight Roger three days and night without using his df.
But still, Roger dickriding is so off the chart that his fangirl still have nerve to put him Above Kaido and Prime WB. That's why I always thankful to God, that Oda is writting the story.
Except Oden was not looking at Kaido when he was hit. His attention shifted to Higurashi. We know that characters take more damage when they're off guard.
@@yugfus doesn't matter, same thing can be applied to Kid when he was one shotted by shanks. We can say that Kid didn't expect shanks will jump on him. And we can also say that Kizaru is also mentally unstable and didn't going all out against Luffy right now. There are many possibilities. But facts remain the same that Kaido one shot Oden and Roger didn't
These things matter for them, too. I actually think if Kid was prepared he wouldn't have been one shot. I think Shanks is far stronger but I don't think he'd one shot without the element of surprise. @mr.overlord7410
@@yugfus yes same thing Prime Kaido is stronger than Roger. Based of feats
Roger is quite literally above Kaido. Kaido himself praised Roger as above him due to Haki. You claim to like Oda writing the story but apparently you don't even read.
How is it low diff if he's in his strongest form mid diff ok but low is wild
Luffy only has to surpass 3 more characters to become the PK
1. Shanks
2. Imu
3. EoS Blackbeard
No. Luffy can most definitely become pirate king before meeting Imu even once 🤨 IMU is literally not a factor in pirate king at all. It's most likely Luffy fights Imu after becoming pirate king.
The gorosei could be weaker than kaido. They did say that they had to kill Luffy at the risk of angering Kaido. If they could easily take down Kaido, why would they even care about angering him? and why didn't they take down the Yonko all these years if they could?
Morj will never debate us lowly peasants 😔
Kizaru is clearly clouded with doubt and regrets(excuse). Marines in general are just meant to take L's and every time we're just giving excuses.
If everything that happened didn’t tell you ”Mr. Unclear Justice” is mentally going through it I don’t know what to tell you Morj… no one is seriously saying Kizaru over Luffy
Plenty of people are saying Luffy ≈ admirals
@@teddysama5745 I think OG admirals ≈ Luffy was an OKish take after Luffy vs Kizaru round 1.
Problem is Luffy ate and got zenkai-boosted, hardly fair for Kizaru imo.
RN Luffy>>Kizaru is facts but Kizaru being mentally nerfed is also facts… these aren’t mutually exclusive
All these Kizaru debates are irksome. Luffy is in another league. People are legitimately just forgetting that he has the power to destroy an island. Kaido was sent underground unconscious because he's made of titanium. Anyone else would be dead.
I’d say EOS Blackbeard, Imu, shanks, akainu will all be extreme diff. Hopefully he actually fights them instead of landing attacks on them when they’re occupied with something else
Luffy already beats akainu mid diff
Stop coping
Kizaru and saturn together couldnt even injure luffy
Akainu at most is a little bit stronger than kizaru in some areas
The difference is very minor
The fact that luffy can deal with him and Saturn who is around that lvl shows that akainu doesnt have a chance
And it was already clear after luffy beat kaido who is stronger than any admiral
I'm pretty sure Akainu isn't a Luffy opponent. People keep cheesing and pushing for fights that won't happen.😅
@@KeinProblem-uv5jh He’s obviously not going to be the same as Kizaru who clearly isn’t even wanting to be there to begin with
Fleet admiral and admirals are not the same thing
@@YesLads-tt6ue”Fleet Admiral and Admiral are not the same thing” where are you getting that from? Aokiji would have been FA if Akainu wasn’t interested and there’s nothing suggesting Aokiji is stronger than Kizaru. Other way around in fact. Introduced weakest to strongest. Kizaru matched against Marco Aokiji against Jozu. Kizaru clean at the end of MF, Aokiji marked up. Kizaru looks better against Luffy in the first fight than Aokiji looked against Garp
@@GourSmithakainu and luffy have been clearly set up as philosophical antithesis, and Akainu is the strongest marine in history. It would be extremely odd for luffy to never fight the strongest marine considering all luffy does is fight the strongest ppl
Luffy is low diffing 2 admirals right now yet you still got people arguing nobody can beat 3 admirsl xD Wtf are these people reading bro 😂
Said it since Sabo had blue flames, Sabo kills Akainu because blue flames burn hot enough to burn magma but Ace's red flames can't burn that hot.
Also said for a while the Man Marked by Flames is the former Warlord Ace beat but didn't kill.
Luffy should lose all physical strength if he lost his devil fruit power??? wtf…. Yo luffy is one of the most physically freakish people in the verse with no devil fruit! He’s garos fucking grandson! Look at what he was doing in want when he had the sea prism stone shackles.. awful take
He actually bothers to get a tier list out an hour in
Kaido is still stronger than Luffy in gear 5.A full healthy Kaido who uses all his advanced hakis and strongest attacks from the start Luffy will lose for sure .Kaido can last for days .
😂😂 Ha ha ha good joke bro.... Stop making your own theories for God sake 🤥
Kaido is still strongest, he is only one luffy fight 1v1.
Because in future will alway fight 1v2, or1v3.
BB + pluton v luffy.
@@Shubham-hr5uw bro luffy haven't fight anybody till now on 1v1 doesn't prove anything lmao... All enemies luffy going to fight after this will be stronger... Atleast imu will be....but for God sake stop saying luffy is weaker then kaido 🙂
@@kushagrapandey8898 i think you need to read the manga again,
Kaido feats make him stronger.
Luffy gear 5 stamina is 5 min,
Luffy win that fight because of plot armour.
@@Shubham-hr5uw that's your assumption.... Kaido was not on brink of death... Luffy was... And despite of low stamina, nearly dead situation he beats kaido... And that's a fact not like your theory.... You need to read it again with different glasses
To answer the title of the stream,shanks has been portrayed as a stepping stone,and until luffy returns the hat,shanks will be stronger
Kaido is stronger than shanks as per vol 102 back,Mihawk also stornger than shanks,old wb is stated the WSP,meaning hes even stronger,and all the other old gen would upscale too
Uhhh no wtf only person stronger than Shanks here is Whitebeard. Kaido and Mihawk’s portrayal is nothing to Shanks’, Luffy already surpassed Kaido it was stated by Kaido himself Luffy is a worthy opponent he wanted to prove he’s superior to and then he lost with the fight ending literally telling us Joy Boy is who will defeat me
@@KurokamiNajimiMihawk is stated stronger than shanks,and kaido is stated the strongest man in the world in vol 102
I'm not going to take someone's intepretation of the narrative over a concrete statement from a narrator.
You can just as easily say luffys true strength as joyboy is the ability to make friends,which is why he beat kaido,I don't feel that thematic arguments are very concrete
@@amogus1415 Mihawk and Kaido are never stated stronger than Shanks in the Manga, Mihawk’s title is irrelevant because swordsmanship isn’t Shanks’ only weapon idk why you guys act so obtuse on this topic. The DP is not a sword slash it’s a wave of Haki using the sword as a channel go back and look at Roger vs Oden. Same way Whitebeard uses his bisento with his fruit. Even if I gave you a huge steelman which we have absolutely no reason to believe at this point in time and say Mihawk can do everything Shanks can with Haki that still doesn’t make Mihawk stronger it just means they’re very close with Mihawk having the edge in sword skill and Shanks having the edge in Haki power. No different than Roger vs Whitebeard where Whitebeard had all Haki powers and the strongest DF and STILL couldn’t defeat Roger (to avoid any headcanon of WB>Roger when he dies at the end of MF the narrator says he was the equal to even the pirate king) which is why Kaido stated Roger proved Haki is king
I will give Mihawk king’s coating guaranteed but not advanced ryou (the no touching), what Shanks did to Green Bull, future sight, what Garp and Koby have shown, Big Mom destroying missiles with king’s without lifting a finger so imagine what Shanks can do. Mihawk isn’t even in Kaido’s top 5 but Oden who we know for a fact doesn’t have advanced ryou was. He was surprised when he saw Roger and WB do it (and at Roger’s DP). And no Oden didn’t get stronger after that, what was stated is he got stronger after traveling not specifically from that fight. He traveled 5 years 4 of them were with WB. He was 33 during that fight the same age Shanks was when he became a Yonko. Nor does he show any of it against Kaido
For Kaido I’m assuming you’re talking about the publisher character comments in the volumes those aren’t any different than databooks. Whitebeard’s says he’s the strongest pirate while at MF. I love how you ignore the Luffy panel while using other false statements. You’re also ignoring Kaido’s own words how are you gonna say Shanks an upcoming opponent for Luffy is weaker than Kaido when Kaido thinks Luffy was a worthy opponent even before he unlocked Gear 5th? Shanks objectively has FAR better feats and portrayal and is probably Luffy’s final opponent for the One Piece judging by the series starting with them, Luffy saying he will defeat all Yonko singling out that Shanks can’t be first in Punk Hazard and he keeps pushing back their meeting with the Red Hair Pirates having already left Elbaf. Big Mom whose story isn’t finished with foreshadows of being alive including the film red appearance in Elbaf (I cringe every time Morj mentions them meeting in Elbaf) is who goes down in Elbaf
That terrible theory where Shanks is killed off before reuniting with Luffy reducing his character to a pointless hype tool and wasting 30 years of build up obviously isn’t happening in of itself but when Oda has said when Shanks showing up again and again means we’re towards the end. Tell me what narrative happens with the tail end of the series where Shanks and BB are still active. Oda has also said twice that the series ends when the One Piece is found. Everyone acts like BB or Imu are guaranteed to be Luffy’s final fight when in fact it’s Shanks who has the highest chance of that. Personally I’d like to see the WG go down first then BB and end with Shanks. Reason being there’s no other scenario that would feel satisfactory for him compared to Blackbeard and Imu who can still be impactful without being last
Did the raid fail?
niceeee hahahaaaa…. I’m sure 8 mins would be like 10-15 chapters hahahaaaaa…. 5:00 trueee hahaha….. 6:55 hahahahaaaa… liked the 10 min timer cause I knew there was no way Oda would have given us the info……….. 17:15 yes, unless Vegapunk recorded mutiple videos and depending on the situation………….. 21:30 yessss hahahaaaa….. he should have made Rogers bounty higher……… I still believe luffy got stronger because Bonney believed more on Nika………. 47:40 would be funny to show this to someone who doesn’t read Op and ask hahahaaaaa…: 1:01:29 hahahaaaaa…. 1:03:29 hahahahaaa….. 1:09:15 yep……….. 1:15:10 hahahaaaaaa ……. 1:35:40 hahahaaaaaa…. 1:58:10 hahahahaaaaa
To chat saying 3 admirals would beat luffy. The chapter literally ends with 1. Kizaru out for the count again, 2. Saturn never landing a hit and only still being alive due to his hax regen, and 3. Saturn literally calling all his boys to help jump Luffy because, being charitable as possible, Saturn knows he cannot beat luffy in time to also stop the broadcast. Like without Saturns hax Luffy should be able to kill him so he(Saturn) needs a bunch of other, assumably, haxed colleagues to jump Luffy or distract him while one goes and tries to stop the broadcast. This isnt head cannon, this is literally whats happening
Kizaru isn’t out he just laid there huffing
@KurokamiNajimi bros literally in the same pose as when he was knocked out. Also, did he immediately get up and keep fighting? No, he's laid out for the rest of the chapter.
@@donnieward6287 He was never knocked out at point in this arc, not much time has passed since landing on the ship and Saturn summoning the others he’s probably gonna get up next chapter
@KurokamiNajimi maybe he will. Also he was literally unable to move? Maybe that's not "knocked out" but that's incapacitated. Granted so was luffy but let's not lie and say Kizaru was never incapacitated
@@donnieward6287 If Luffy wasn’t getting nerfed throughout the arc he wouldn’t have needed Gear 5th to beat him. I’m waiting until it’s fully over to celebrate, I’m not just looking for a victory everyone knew Luffy was stronger I’m looking for a mid dif. High dif Zoro type fight would be the worst scenario
Morj you normally have good takes but luffy beating 3 admirals is just ridiculous. Luffy is doing zero damage to Saturn and kizaru doesn’t want to be there. Luffy can not put down kizaru and Saturn for long enough to win the fight.
Bro Kizaru doesn't want to fight is just assumptions readers makes on their own.... Clearly oda showed he wants to go all out.... And reality is that whole navy fleet with gorosei and admiral and cp0.... No one could do anything to luffy till now.... IDK what you r reading bro
He can definitely low diff 3 admirals
kizaru isn’t holding back, he’s a cog in a machine with no real feelings
G5 ruineebLuffy. He was playing around with lucci and got sentomaru injured. He was playing around with kizaru and got vegapunk dead. Also kizaru had usopp in a choke hold and luffy was not taking it seriously. He was playing around with saturn and now he summoned more strong opponents who can possibly kill his crew. This isn't the same luffy who broke the mirror in whole cake so no one gets to his crew. He is a emperor and yet cant save his friends. Shanks messes around and has fun but when he saw kid about to destroy his crew he just took care of the threat how a yonko would.
Also forgot to mention robin id greatly injured and luffy is still being quirky and silly instead of taking the situation seriously.
True
Cope, luffy just handled 2 admiral level characters to protect his friends. Luffy always starts off silly and he can't do anything bout it
@re_striker3431 true. But he never let it get to the point where his friends get injured due to playing around with the opponent. Explain lucci then. Dude almost killed sentomaru and is actively trying to kidnap robin and luffy is just laughing his ass
Off.
@@Leonkennedy19992 yes but as soon as he noticed vegapunk was injured, he used a gatling move. That is the most luffy thing ever and is clearly in character for him to do that. Even with lucci, obs haki is not on at all times so it makes sense for luffy to not notice lucci blitzing sentomaru when lucci has sky walk and shave. Luffy was clearly serious when that happened and proceeded to beat luccis ass
The cope about the admirals is hilarious. I don't care for your excuses, your boy got turned into pizza and frizbeed off an island
Kaido disrepect is real.
There is no one in current one piece who beat kaido in 1v1.
From now, luffu will always fight 1v2, 1v3... Etc.
Kaido was last enemy he fought 1v1.
BB will bring pluton to fight luffy
luffy beat kaido in a 1v1 and he was more weakened then kaido
@@Relax_Rombeywhat 😂😂
Other than legacy characters and Luffy no one is beating Kaido
Kaido sucks dude lmao gets tagged by fodder repeatedly and has a combo attack stopped by mid Wano Zoro
@@Relax_RombeyExactly ppl just using headcanon Kaido himself said he acknowledges Luffy and wanted to prove he was stronger and he lost
theses admiral stans are the most illiterate people in the fanbase. they make Zoro stans look like Einstein
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1:18:05 I enjoy Eustass as a character, I tried to be him for AnimeNYC but my cosplay got lost in the mail 😔
1:45:00 this section is a bit tone deaf considering the genocide in Gaza... with aid from the US
Luffy wouldve never caught Kizaru if it wasn’t for the vegapunk assassination mission. Kizaru was never 100% focused on the luffy fight, rather was chasing vegapunk and fending off luffy while doing so
Cap
When he got one shotted the first time he was attacking luffy and luffy countered him and put him down in one attack
Also luffy in this chapter dodged a point blank attack from kizaru
There is literally no better place for an attack to land and he still couldnt touch luffy
Luffy is faster and stronger than kizaru
Easy win for luffy with zero damage
Saturn>kizaru
Gear ⚙️ 5 is trash 🗑 and so is deadbeat dragon 👎. I'm rooting for blackbeard and the world 🌎 government now 🫡
we got apes from zoo joining the chat
😂 Go and watch pogo... Because you have zero understanding about how and what oda wants to write
you can rooting for anyone, but in the end Gear 5 is Top 1
Bro is rooting for the people that nuke entire islands if they find out about stuff😂😂😂😂😂
@@re_striker3431 Only one piece fans
Isn’t it obvious? Cmon no one can actually be thinking some1 beast gear 5 Luffy now. Gorosei we’re hyped up for 700+ chapters….and in their first fight Luffy is smacking them…one piece will never be the same 😂
I'm really not sure about that. Saturn is still at 100% health even though he was afk chatting with the other gorosei for a while.
Hyped for 700 chapters? Nobody gave a fck about them before their devil fruit reveal
@@manoknowfish even worse then if nobody cared because they’re supposed to be in the tier of strongest characters in the verse.
@@Himolino dude is getting smacked around by Luffy buddy, even with the help of an admiral
@@RandomNoob1124 it's just an assumption you made
Shutup morj
Why?
Bro If you don't like it, why are you here? Get out
family guy joke?
The raid succeeded.
Shanks and Whitebeard will always be stronger and cooler than this clown Luffy.
Always stronger no cooler yes I like wb way more and shanks has this aura to him but luffy is going to be the strongest at the end
Worst stream since forever, so fucking repetitive
Gear 5 is garbo. Ruined the story in multiple aspects
Cope😂😂.
Akainu is still stronger than luffy rn. Akainu is stronger than prime sengoku (new gen generally > old gen), and sengoku was relative to the pirate king. Therefore Akainu is =/> than pirate king level. If luffy and akainu fight, then Akainu narratively will be stronger than luffy, and luffy will get stronger mid fight and win extreme diff. The only possible way Akainu is weaker than luffy is if Akainu and luffy never fight