"A pair of robotic pliers plucks them" When it says that at 2:00 you can plainly see a pair of gloved hands gripping the pliers and placing them on the die stamp press! Had to call BS on that one!
They probably normally use machines. I am guessing the machines does them extremely fast. Instead of investing several tens of thousands of dollars into a camera, they just do it manually to explain the idea.
Andrew Beaver Well, a 3000fps camera can be tens of thousands of dollars. Slowing the machine down would probably have to slow the whole the process down. Instead, they could pull a single carabiner out of production and show you the basic idea. However, since it is kind of a stupid thing to argue about, I suppose we can just agree that they should have used different terminology.
Nathan Sweeny I doubt the machine does it that fast because then the limiting factor would be the machine press. So it's almost as if you're speeding down street just to stop at a red light. Probably just a oversight with the narrator.
I work for this company and was present when they filed this. Hadn't seen the video until now. Gotta love the red, terminator-esque light they insisted on having for every shot. Oh, in addition to the 'robotic hand' error, it's 500 TONS, not pounds of force on the biners when they are smashed in the hot forge press. It doesn't always use that amount, though. That depends on the type of biner being made.
Jose, yes. A carabiner with the gate closed support something near of 25 kN (2500 kg), with the gate opened this resistance falls to something around 9 kN. Also exist a spring or something that force the gate to stay closed.
The 5000 lb. test is done with a representative sample from the batch. The one you buy at the store gets a 250 lb. test. That's good because I wound not want to use one that had 500o pounds put on it causing possible invisible damage.
At 3:05 you can clearly see the video is sped up to make it more dramatic, they aren't just dropping them into the water from 10 feet, that would make a huge splash
Because titanium has a much higher melting point. Almost all titanium used commercially is an alloy itself, usually containing aluminum, vanadium, iron, nickel, and a bunch of other metals. Aluminum is lighter than titanium, but titanium is stronger than aluminum, meaning less material is needed. So it's all up to the manufacturers needs, and what exactly is being manufactured.
Carabiners get a good shaking in a machine called a VIBRATORY, which slowly tumbles them in a bath of wet soapy stones...as carabiners spill out of the vibratory! LOL!
LIfe-dependent parts start with extremely homogeneous, near-perfect raw material. That is what is very difficult to show and also difficult to replicate, even more difficult to control 100%. That's where the awesomeness starts.
I wish the narrator knew basic engineering units. At 4:33 and 4:40, the correct unit is pounds FORCE. 'PRESSURE' is DEFINED as Force/Area. Also, the temperature was not defined as either Fahrenheit or Centigrade/Celsius
so...for your quickdraws and alpine draws you're using locking carabiners? I think that's what you are talking about in your 'biners without threads' reference... you use locking carabiners on your cams and nuts and slings...etc. ? I'm left wondering what it is that you actually climb...and a bit concerned for your safety and the safety of anyone you climb with if you are actually climbing anything outside of a gym.
Vanson Gaming I assumed he was asking about the carabiner that only had a spring close without any type of lock. Didn't think about the fact that he could be asking about the springs that close all carabiners.
and yet the biners arrive to you all shiny and new... I assure you the non-chinese made gear is treated in the same way during production... at first I thought you were being sarcastic, now I'm pretty sure you're just kinda dense. regardless, I don't but much BD gear anymore these days, but not because of quality concerns. Climbing gear is obsessively tested - organizationally and independently. I don't remember the last time any BD gear was recalled...sorely, I remember replacing a DMM cam..
"A pair of robotic pliers plucks them" When it says that at 2:00 you can plainly see a pair of gloved hands gripping the pliers and placing them on the die stamp press! Had to call BS on that one!
They probably normally use machines. I am guessing the machines does them extremely fast. Instead of investing several tens of thousands of dollars into a camera, they just do it manually to explain the idea.
Nathan Sweeny If that's the case they could have used slow motion, or even slowed down the machine.
Andrew Beaver Well, a 3000fps camera can be tens of thousands of dollars. Slowing the machine down would probably have to slow the whole the process down. Instead, they could pull a single carabiner out of production and show you the basic idea. However, since it is kind of a stupid thing to argue about, I suppose we can just agree that they should have used different terminology.
Fair enough
Nathan Sweeny
I doubt the machine does it that fast because then the limiting factor would be the machine press. So it's almost as if you're speeding down street just to stop at a red light. Probably just a oversight with the narrator.
Those 'Robotic Pliers' are SO life like! Wow technology is amazing.
I work for this company and was present when they filed this. Hadn't seen the video until now. Gotta love the red, terminator-esque light they insisted on having for every shot.
Oh, in addition to the 'robotic hand' error, it's 500 TONS, not pounds of force on the biners when they are smashed in the hot forge press. It doesn't always use that amount, though. That depends on the type of biner being made.
Are you telling me you don't always have the red, Terminator lights on? How will we know that Terminator is being made if there's no red light?
Which company is it?
Logo on the gate at the ends looks like Black diamond, but I don’t know if they run the factory themselves or hire a contract manufacturer to do it
......yeah, a robotic plier... :D
interesting video
Orka DRLJAČA just as I read your comment I heard robotic pliers ha
proteusx You mean pronouncing the word exactly like it's spelled? Yes, so annoying.....
@@thronethrower4540 Its spelt Aluminium it has an extra i in there and it should be pronounced aloo mini um
Throne Thrower unfortunately they’re right.
Orka DRLJAČA that guy is a robot 🤖
The "robotic pliers" have already been discussed, but what the anodizing process being called "a quick paint job"? Fun vid, tho.
I noticed that one too, lol.
1:55 "A pair of robotic pliers..." Literally the hand of the operator is in the next shot wtf? 🤣🤣
Jose, yes. A carabiner with the gate closed support something near of 25 kN (2500 kg), with the gate opened this resistance falls to something around 9 kN. Also exist a spring or something that force the gate to stay closed.
also "paint"... carabiners are anodized, not painted...
lmao robotic pliers thats cute
How about "quick paint job"? That's not what that was
Nice, these are black diamond biners. So glad i watched this
+Zac L. lol nice. someone else that realized it =0)
Did I see a Black Diamond branded drop chute at 3:46? 😂
They're anodized, not painted... there were a few weird errors in this clip
The 5000 lb. test is done with a representative sample from the batch. The one you buy at the store gets a 250 lb. test. That's good because I wound not want to use one that had 500o pounds put on it causing possible invisible damage.
There are plenty of vids on YT showing carabiners taken to near fail loads..... they rarely function well afterwards!
It takes 500 lbs of force? That seems a little off, usually stamping machines have a lot more force than that especially to stamp metal
ArcticAstrophysics The metal looks quite soft, as it has been heated...
At 3:05 you can clearly see the video is sped up to make it more dramatic, they aren't just dropping them into the water from 10 feet, that would make a huge splash
anodizing something with such a small surface area is indeed a quick process.
There's a spring in the gate of the carabiner that holds it shut.
And that man's hand was being held by robotic pliers.
What puts the tension on the gate so it automatically closes? Is it some type of special rivet?
1:56 "a pair of robotic plyers" *shows a glove and a plyer*
that's before heat treatment. They show the stress test the caribiners must past at the end of the video.
Because titanium has a much higher melting point. Almost all titanium used commercially is an alloy itself, usually containing aluminum, vanadium, iron, nickel, and a bunch of other metals. Aluminum is lighter than titanium, but titanium is stronger than aluminum, meaning less material is needed. So it's all up to the manufacturers needs, and what exactly is being manufactured.
Carabiners get a good shaking in a machine called a VIBRATORY, which slowly tumbles them in a bath of wet soapy stones...as carabiners spill out of the vibratory! LOL!
3:17 Now, Tayne I could get into.
Did you get a answer for this? I’m looking for that information also.
And does the gate support weight?
The '5000lb' test is done until the carabiner fails. the 250lb test is only done to insure that the gate will function after loading.
did anyone notice that the heat treatment is completely wrong? AlZn is soft as butter after quenching and needs to be heated again to gain hardness.
Robotic pliers, k.
and 250 pounds is pretty heavy for a rock climber
Exactly. You wanna go further to be safer than the average. If it can hold a fat climber it can hold an average one
Not only rock climbers buy and use carabiners... the tests are standardized so they include also for example mountaineers
glad you're having a good time. climb safe!
LIfe-dependent parts start with extremely homogeneous, near-perfect raw material. That is what is very difficult to show and also difficult to replicate, even more difficult to control 100%. That's where the awesomeness starts.
Which carabiner manufacturing company is this documentary filming? Do all of the carabiner manufacturing companies do load tests?
Black Diamond. I bet they do, they probably wouldn't sell them if they weren't sure if they were safe-
I wish the narrator knew basic engineering units.
At 4:33 and 4:40, the correct unit is pounds FORCE. 'PRESSURE' is DEFINED as Force/Area.
Also, the temperature was not defined as either Fahrenheit or Centigrade/Celsius
That's why they have the heat treatement after all the abuse. It just gets rid of all the dislocations and probably forms zinc precipitates...
What company is this?
black diamond, judging by the logo on the carabiners
Black Diamond is what I use on my climbs.
so...for your quickdraws and alpine draws you're using locking carabiners? I think that's what you are talking about in your 'biners without threads' reference... you use locking carabiners on your cams and nuts and slings...etc. ?
I'm left wondering what it is that you actually climb...and a bit concerned for your safety and the safety of anyone you climb with if you are actually climbing anything outside of a gym.
I wanted to see how they make the spring that closes the latch...
+Reno Fox don't climb with anything besides a screw gate carabiner
+neoc03 screw gate carabiners are still spring loaded
Vanson Gaming I was just saying to not rely on a carabiner that doesn't have a way to lock it closed.
neoc03
oh ok, fair enough. bit random to comment it to this though lol, that's what confused me
Vanson Gaming I assumed he was asking about the carabiner that only had a spring close without any type of lock. Didn't think about the fact that he could be asking about the springs that close all carabiners.
Great vid. 👍
So my roadeavour carabiners are made like this. Thanks vid!
Robotic pliers??? Right
"4900 pounds of pressure" anyone who took physics should understand that pressure is not force.
got some advanced robots working there
A guy with gloves is apparently a robotic hand.
It's not a paint job. It is anodization. There's a difference.
Either the script is wrong, or there's a "trade secret" kind of thing going on where they aren't going to show it on camera.
...and my recalled Aliens...and my possibly recalled Wild Country ropeman3...
maybe you didn't hear about the WC Helium recall last year?
A lot of work in this progress wow 😎.i have bought a lot of carbiners in the day of my youth.. Climbing . 15$ to 20$ quickdarws not bad at all.
How do you know its not a robot hand?
"Robotic" , that's just funny.
You did not address the point about how the spring force is achieved.
Robotic pliers... Human hand... Holy shit cyborgs
it's aluminium not aluminum? or am i wrong here ?
Does anyone know how many of them they can produce per day? ._.
41kn ! Solid arrong ' ! But ... The rope's, itself ' are only 8 kn per meters !
The pliers are robotic. The hand is human.
If its the strongest and lightweight over any other single material, why dont races cars and motorcycles use this? They all use titanium.
2 people got fired from that factory
That's because his coworkers think he's a tool. Robotic pliers is a nicer way to put it.
It's a worker working in a robotic way.. lol
Only 500 pounds of force to shape those carabiners? That's like 3 dudes...
Ground corn cobs? Really? I thought mine had a funny smell.
Robotic pliers! xD
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So... why am I so worried about getting sand on my draws if they are put through rocks and "corncob" sand? haha
Robotic pliers at 1:55 lol
BLACK DIAMONDDDD LIVEWIREEEE
robotic plier? I saw Roberts plier 😅
OMG, all that abuse those carabiners suffer during manufactures means they all have microfractures, OMG, they all need retiring. ;))
Robotic piler? I only saw a man's hand using the piler
500 pounds of force doesn’t seem that incredible
Neglected to mention the expensive price.
11 dollars and under for a Black Diamond carabiner, which is what these are.
@@Xtreme_Airgun_Slugs Thank you, man that's cheap, here in Aus these things are around the $80-100 mark.
How It's Made>Factory Made
Screwgate carabiners are MUCH stronger than Quickdraws.
no they are not, they are merely less likely to open accidentally.
Good to know that are to tested
lol that is so not a robotic arm =0P this definitely enforced my trust in carabiners though =0)
I guess daytona doesn't climb very often.... and the gates are stronger than the carabiner itself. i wish people weren't ignorant....
Because the guy has a glove on that you can clearly see... I highly doubt a robotic piler is wearing a glove...
they don't paint them they anodise them 🙄
Dude ! Get rid of the intrusive music!
Also, anodizing is NOT a quick process!
I'm a climber and rarely use beeners without threads... I just feel like i'd accidentally slide over the beener and open it?
We all know you mean "plier" :)
I can see why they are kinda expensive now. When they test every single one to make sure its safe.
William Dahl Sørensen what do you mean by expensive? they're like 7 dollars CAD
William Dahl Sørensen they don't test every single one .
"Robotic pliers"
You can't use these types of carabiners for climbing because they don't lock, The part that opens & closes can break a lot sooner than the rest of it.
Cool
Now I see why they called it robotic, every worker working in a factory's assembly lie = robot. I see what they did there! Sneaky
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Whoever wrote the copy didn't know a damned thing
about technical climbing ! {Roped/Steep angle rock, etc.}
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and yet the biners arrive to you all shiny and new...
I assure you the non-chinese made gear is treated in the same way during production...
at first I thought you were being sarcastic, now I'm pretty sure you're just kinda dense.
regardless, I don't but much BD gear anymore these days, but not because of quality concerns. Climbing gear is obsessively tested - organizationally and independently. I don't remember the last time any BD gear was recalled...sorely, I remember replacing a DMM cam..
LOL corn cobs!! XD
me gustan los mosquetón como llaneros
Guys, its data.
robotic pliers???? hand
or Petzl! I abandoned black diamond as soon as their shit started getting made in China.
1:59 robotic hahahah
Robots these days
oh How its Made, lbs isnt a unit of pressure. Its a unit of force. You so crazy
I agree! I just see a human hand
not robotic pilers