I love these “ why I’m no longer a Christian “ videos… it was the best decision Ive made that has given me the most peace and true joy no matter what and I’ve experienced abundance in several areas of my life and healed myself of my anxiety disorder and carpal tunnel.
@jonsdaytrades our mind is powerful.. what we believe to be true, is.. you can heal yourself .. leaving Christianity les me to research and find ways to live my life in a more abundant way.. read Dr. Joe Dispenza’s book ‘You are the Placebo”.. I don’t follow any rules I just create my own based on the reality that I wish to experience..
And what are you now and in what way does it bring you more peace than what you had as a Christian? I am a Christian who used to be an atheist, and from my perspective I am much more at peace now than when I was an atheist.
@jonsdaytrades I was baptized as an infant, however I left the religion for a few years and became an atheist, but praise be to the Lord Christ, I found my way back. And I do remember that when I was an atheist I was not at peace at all. Now, though not at perfect peace, is much better than when I was an atheist.
@jonsdaytrades Why do you need this info? It is unnecesary to the argument at hand. Because the truth is that "Being at peace" in a belief does not mean that that belief is true or untrue.
@@baldwinthefourth4098you made the right decision,a lack of understanding what christianity is,makes us leave christianity,i have battled the spirit of atheism,bcoz it is what leads us away from the truth,one can be a pastor and leave christianity, if you don't have proper foundations,you will have a lot of problems. I have heard audible voice of God 4 times, i have had visions,i have had an open vision of Jesus. I have seen my friend manifest demonic possession,wasn't staged,nothing,i have seen it all but still have had to battle doubt. The devil is real,and he will drag you to hell if you let him,if you can't identify him,you will fail. Glad you came back to you faith,Jesus guarantees to make Himself indisputable to everyone on earth. Seek and you will find is literal,we don't seek horizontally but vertically
@@mason-xr5pr No such thing as "rapture" it's not in the bible. That's a daft idea con men in America tell Christians Along with you can get an SUV etc etc. Less than 10% of people actually read their bibles. My friend is "Roman Catholic" and has NEVER read a chapter.
i love how everyone in the comments tries to reconvert him by quoting bible verses to him, lol. think that'll work? the other trope is to accuse him of never being a "true Christian" well that's one way to keep score, you never lose anyone, because those who leave were never actually there. lol
well I'm sure whenever an atheist converts to christianity and puts it online, atheist's likely try to do something similar, or make fun of them for becoming christian. so is it really that surprising?
Its not that weird. If its not in the Bible is it really Christian. To represent a Christian perspective you need to have some basis in the Bible. They could attempt to put it in laymen's terms.
The No True Scotsman fallacy is not a compelling reason to return to any religion. I'm very happy for him. Life has so much more meaning when you realize it's not just a dress-rehearsal.
Over lockdown I really struggled with despair and loneliness. I felt completely isolated from our Church, hardly anyone got in touch to check on me and I felt incredibly isolated. When I reached out to a few people to say I am struggling I would get superficial replies and not hear from them again, it's like they couldn't handle me, didn't want to engage with my suffering. The last few months have made me doubt Christianity and Church. I still love the Lord but why are Christians often so uncaring??? I have experienced more kindness from "Non" Christians during lockdown than from so called Christians - that really, really hurts.
Thank you Jacko, for reaching out. It breaks my heart to hear this. That the people you considered brothers and sisters to have let you down. But I'm not completely dismayed, because I know someone who is trying to get your attention. I might not experience exactly what you are going through, not because I have ppl where I am, but because I saw the only one who was and is here. Let me tell you about mine first. Through hardships, torment and unspeakable loneliness, there was another In the fire. And I can't tell you the thing it does to my soul to know I've been granted to see the other in the fire and waters. It took my isolation to understand it, it took my loneliness to realize I am not. I love you so so so much more than you can imagine tho I've never seen you , because of the love my Jesus has for you. You are never alone. Neverrr. I don't know if I can emphasize this much better. But I tell you from every experience and moments in my life. I am miles and miles away from you. But Jesus.... Oh Jesus is.. Closer than your own breath. God has come that close and you're not consumed. I urge you with all my might, all my being to turn to him and say I wanna see you I want to feel and know you are here. I just can't take this anymore. He is close to the broken hearted and weak in spirit. Fall before him and cry yourself out .. Because I now see him with me and know it with every part of my being, wouldn't you want to also have that? Wouldn't you want to demand a closer relationship with him? Then ask and demand from him, that he grants you to see and know his closeness. I love you so much, but his love.. Oh his love is one that cannot be comprehended. There is more to following God than going to church. It goes beyond the physical. Yes people fail you, but Christians are not the starter of your faith. The pioneer and perfecter of our faith is Jesus. And he is beyond some letter in a book. He wants to be your soul friend, the one you lean on and cry your heart out to. The one you hold hands with while closing your eyes and walk on a tight rope. I can't explain to you enough how much he wants to be with you, like how you would spend time with a human. Chatting away into the night till dawn, while he immerses your soul with his presence that words are not created for to describe. It's beyond what I can tell you to have that with Jesus, just as you want more of him he wants more of you. For you to seek to talk to God than sit in unproductive conversation with ppl. Read the bible while you are in prayer, let it not be just you who speaks. I know you said you love the lord. So now go to the next step. You remember that woman who loved her man in song of songs? She was head over heels, but when he came to her door the night she got all cleaned up and ready for bed, she said " how can I go out again?" It was a long process so she didn't want to do it again. Finally when her man poked his finger through the door, she realized she should open for him, but he was long gone. We can love someone so dearly, but what we do with that love is the fruit of it. Desperately seek his face, especially in this lockdown. Where it can only be you two. I'll pray that he puts It in my heart I pray for you everyday. I would love to hear from you.... But he died so he could hear from you. Lots of unfailing love to you.
@@isalme6557 Dearest Isal Me, you cannot believe HOW much your words have blessed me. I am in tears. You are a wonderful human being to take time to write this to me. You clearly understand pain and suffering. Thank you so, so much. I am just back from a long walk with the Lord. I just walked and walked and walked and now I came home to your beautiful words. Wow!!!!!!!!! Speechless.
@@jackomile1838 And I am more blessed to know the same spirit that dwells in us moved and touched our hearts. May God bless you abundantly according to his infinite riches. Until we see each other face to face in our father's rest, where there is no more suffering, be strengthened in Christ. Love you.
@@jackomile1838 I really understand you bro, during lockdown i doubed Gods existence because of many trials, i´ve struggled with many things, so many including loneliness during that time. Im still alone in some sense, but i trust Jesus over all. I know it´s painfull to carry on, that there are so many dark nights, deep valleys, but be sure, dear brother, son of God, He is with you. Don´t let this bad arguments to convince you from the contrary. Christian apologetics have good responses, but overall, you have a Great God ready to help you, that knows suffering, you are not forgotten to him, you are forgiven, because he is LOVE. Don´t be afraid to be sincere, just express yourself and try to engage online with good christians. join a community or something like that and be in contact with mature christians, just look for them, ask God to give you friends. I really know what you feel... i still struggling with that kind of thoughts, many suffering in such a short period of time, but even so, i carry on. Withouth God´s existence, life has no sense, universe neither. Take my advice, look for internet friends, christians, and there´s no problem if you have felt better love in non-christians, because God´s grace reach anybody, even the non-christians. Remember how Rahab, not being jew, helped the Israelites in Jericho. I really hope you find peace during your struggling, your loneliness and your painfull nights, Jesus is there, bro, trust him, look for help and don´t let your hear die alone. You can contact me if you want. My email is nhlfabrizio@gmail.com God bless you, youre not alone, trust me.
I stopped being a Christian while I was a missionary, on a mission’s trip. I was a very ardent Christian as well. I’m still a very spiritual person and I have sympathy for my Christian friends and family, but I won’t ever be able to go back to that way of life.
Theres only one way of life in the scriptures. Told directly from God on what everyone is to be. And it ain't baptist, mormon, jehovah witness or even christianity or any other man made religion.
@Ryan Smith Your point is well stated. I also have your thoughts about God. I will briefly add my "two cents worth", to your comment, which may help you. I do believe in the Christian God; however, I've decided that He's a cosmic sadist who thoroughly enjoys His cryptic games. He set the current game up, which He's been doing and playing over and over in "eternity past" with His other prior creations and creatures. The Bible was written and compiled by an intentionally cryptic cosmic sadist who thoroughly enjoys its well designed ambiguity which has caused thousands of disparate and adamant individual and group beliefs in God whose adherents always claim is the "right way" of believing in Him. He never seems to clearly intercede and resolve these differences much less make Himself objectively known to everyone as you pointed out. I'll conclude by quoting Marvin Gaye's "Inner City Blues", "It makes me wanna holler, throw up both my hands"!
@@theanimator2290 It was great! I went to places like South Africa where we spent most of our time in townships (which are essentially slums, the remnants of apartheid). And also Greece and Germany (where we ministered to Muslim refugees who were living on the streets or otherwise miserable conditions. I had my doubts about Christianity before but the more I talked with refugees on the streets of Athens, I saw strength and joy beaming off their face and it didn’t come from Jesus, it came from God. And God is accessible to all people’s everywhere under any name and INSIDE ourselves, INSIDE the people around us, though our flesh may distort that fact, even to Satanic lengths, it is the truth. It was impossible for me to think otherwise, that the divinity of God stretched like a branch or a vine into all thinks, the seed of Life planted everywhere. The Bible is important to me (I even learned Hebrew for two years in University in order to read the Old Testament after I stopped being Christian) and there is a LOT you can learn from it. But there is a lot to learn from all the religions. And when you cut away the excess of each them you forego the dogma that twists the truth (dogma and orthodoxy ruin religion, we are already beginning to see this with modern science today, the NEW religion of the age. True science leaves room for questions, the science of today does NOT. The lab coat wearing scientists have become the new white-robed priests and their religion is one of material and nihilistic science, they have left no room for spirit even though it’s effects are plainly seen (research people like Wim Hoff I have also seen many people healed on my mission’s trips).
I 100% support you. I am going through the exact same thing. But whenever I try an explain myself I'm bombarded with criticism, and people trying to shove a religion down my throat that I don't even believe in anymore.
@Deborah Hearne They are probably pretenders that go to church to put in their hours and get their time-card ''stamped''. God don't work thataway !!!!!! And the Bible SAYS THAT !!!!! You can't earn salvation....you can't buy Christ .....you can't ''be good enough'' The Bible says that ...and your church attendance record is not the criteria that God uses to judge you...If this were not true....it would be unfair...because only the smart would make it....only the strong would ''make it''....only the successful would be worthy...only the ''religious'' would ''qualify''...WHAT ABOUT THE ETHIOPIAN WHO DIED OF STARVATION AT 12 YEARS OF AGE????? THEY GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL BECAUSE THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT JESUS???????????....KMA ! GO STUFF YOURSELF !!!!!!
A) god knows but doesn't care B) god doesn't know C) god knows but can't change anything D) god is the one doing it on purpose On suffering, injustice and evil
@@nick281972 My Dear Friend, can you expect only GOOD from God. When we are in this earth, we have to go through great troubles. That shows, that God loves us. We may not understand. When Christ returns, and after we reach the kingdom of God, there won't be any more pain.
It’s so difficult when your whole circle (friends, family, etc.) is Christian. Sometimes I feel like the only choice is to conform, and hope that true belief will someday follow. At this point, though, I feel that I could never be a true Christian again. The issue is that my love and respect for those who’ve made an impact on me is so great, that I fear disappointing them. And then, there’s that sense of dread that you experience, knowing that your loved ones are going to go to their graves thinking that you’re eternally damned: it’s sad, and I don’t want that pain for them. But, I also don’t want a fraudulent lifestyle for myself. I cannot realistically upkeep a lie for the rest of my life, and, frankly, I don’t want to. It feels like such a delicate and confusing situation. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that I’m still living under my parents’ roof, and the majority of my social experience has been under their influence. It probably does. I just want THE truth, but I’ve found that there really is no such thing: it’s all biases, and evidences towards this thing or the next, but nothing definitively proves or disproves the existence of (a) god(s). That’s a hard pill to swallow, especially having come from the belief in something solid and “unchanging”. I had a moral code created for me before, which was both limiting and comforting. Now, I’m faced with, “What do I believe is morally right?” That affords me a sense of freedom, but also uncertainty and apprehension. It’s interesting that you can be both terrified for the well-being of your “soul”, and experience feelings of freedom simultaneously. There’s always the, “What if I’m wrong?” That’s one thing that is pretty clear, and also seems to be the last line of defense for Christianity. It’s also the scariest, because nobody can even FATHOM eternity- let alone one of suffering and anguish. Anyways, I just wanted to put my thoughts of recent out there. Feel free to comment opinions/perspectives: I love to hear them!
I can relate about the part of feeling fear for your family going to their graves thinking you are eternally damned for no longer believing. My parents were divorced since I was 2 years old, but when my dad died, my mom expressed doubt that he went to heaven, and implied that he went to hell. I couldn't believe how insensitive that was... It was the first time I had experienced bereavement of someone I knew from my immediate family. My dad wasn't a good person or a good father, but he had experienced a lot of trauma and poverty in his life since his childhood, so I gave him grace. After that, I worried that if I were to die unexpectedly, my mom would legitimately think I went to hell. And I don't want her to think that or be troubled by that thought, so I figured I could just hide my new agnostic belief system from her. But when you think about it, if she chooses to believe so rigidly about the fate of someone's soul including mine, that's her problem... I'll be dead, chillin🤣
We can say these things about every religion, apart from islam, which borrows its spiritual language and prophets from the bible. There no books of religion worthy to consider, are there even any books appropriate for the occasion. If you want evidence of the bible you have to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal things to you, as i did.
@Madi Stevens I don't know if you'll read this, but... Back around 2013 God asked me to finish a story I wrote about a witch who defects from a cult, and has to save her son from said cult. I asked why he wanted this of me, and he implied that the themes I accidentally wove into the story about having faith oneself, and the main character's growth throughout the story might resonate with some people. And you might be one such person. I also understand your uncertainty, as I share it to a degree. Because you think I trusted the notion God gave me, you'd be wrong. Because I had to endure having my geeky hobbies demonized in the 90s and early 2000s. So the idea of writing a story about a witch saving her son, or a demon gaining eternal salvation(which is a long story...) eats at me. It got so bad I sacrificed my love of writing and creativity on the alter of religion. I'm working to get it back, and ma'am, by pure coincidence, you helped me in achieving that end.
This comment thread is absolutely brimming with Christians making assertions based on their own assumptions and speculation. I would love to see believers actually ask someone who has deconverted a relevant question or four. I’ve literally never seen it happen.
@SecondKings15fourteen well this is rather humorous. My suggestion was that believers ask questions, not answer them or make unevidenced assumptions. After 5 years of intense research the answers I find from the believer have become tediously repetitious.
@@kofw72 Speaking as a Christian, I would ask such a question more often. But I've hesitated for a time because I had a sensitive creative drive and wanted to avoid getting ideas for stories that would add to a long list of ideas. But since I've sacrificed my passion for writing and creative drive on the alter of religion, and want it back, guess I better start asking, huh...?
Im a christian. I guess the only question I have is "do you have all of the information you need to make an informed decision ? If you do then great, if you don't then great and then there would have to be a next question of "do you have any questions for me?" and go from there.
For people passing through: These topics are a trap set by satan to try and get questioning people to justify what satan is planning for their lives due to their experiences and "knowledge" instead of talking about the realities of ourselves. True freedom is loving God which is loving Life. It's not complicated. Didn't even say what satan is to him or what God is to him.
This statement is a complete misunderstanding of Christian doctrine. Hell is not a place for Christians even if they commit sin. Christian doctrine teaches their sins are forgiven by faith in Christ and His sacrifice and resurrection. So for the Christian there is no need to use hell to force them to do anything. They are already forgiven. They are advised to live according to christian values revealed in the word. For unbelievers is another story. It will be a place of separation from God which they have already chosen by their free will. If during your life you didn't want to belong to God it is fair that in the afterlife you will be separated from a God you didn't want to have in life .
@@iwnunn7999 well humans are evil. the Christian walk is that difficult that you see people fail at it constantly. but God is the judge, not humans. if church members were perfect then every church would be its own perfect God. humans are corrupt and will always be corrupt. do not let church be the arbiters of truth and judgement. just stand before God in your prayer, in his presence and you will know everything about your worth and you won't like it, but he will RESTORE you.
Here is the quote you were looking for. It comes from an ancient Greek philosopher: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus
Hi! The truth is, we do not know God’s reasons for everything, we can only have theories about that topic. I do now know exactly why God allows evil to happen, but i know that most evil thing are made/caused by man (not all, diseases, cancer, natural disasters etc. Are not, i get that) and we do not see what God prevents, only what He does not. Sometimes we can, but in other words, i mean: We can’t know, right know He may prevented somebody to get in a car crash, or He might didn’t let the devil do something. There are things we can not know, because He may doesn’t let it happen, prevents before we know it will happen. We only see what He does allow, but we can’t see what He doesn’t. His ways are higher than our ways, i do now know His reasons, but i trust Him.
@@dorkailles7780 ahhhhhh the age old argument of "Whatever I can't explain must mean there's a God". That's the same mentality as the goat herders who wrote that book.
Studying Theology at school and uni. including Hebrew and Greek, got me thinking more deeply. The straw which broke the camel's back was the problem of evil and suffering. An omnibenevolent God does not go with war, the Holocaust, devastating disease, people/child trafficking and the deeply ingrained injustice in the world. The death of my brother and sister from cancer when they were in their fifties didn't help. Whilst I can appreciate and accept the role - positive and negative, that religion has had in human development and history, I can no longer be part of it.
The holocaust, war, people trafficking etc are all products of free will, something god given. Free will is necessary for the true love of god, which is the most important commandment. Now regarding diseases; god has stated that Mark 11:24-Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. So if one has cancer or a disese ask god to cure it, and if you ask with faith you will be cured. For example I myself used to have a flock of sheep with their lambs, one of the lambs had a condition wherein it would have seizures randomly, so that night I asked god to cure this lambs problem and the next day the lamb was cured, it didn’t have a seizure ever again. Bear in mind that this lamb had being having seizures every 30 mins for the past week or so. But the whole basis of your reasoning to why god can’t exist is flawed, how does diseses existing disprove gods existence, after all how does nothing explode to create complex life that have free will?
What if hell isn’t real and God allows suffering so we truly understand love when we receive it that honestly seems to line up more with the God described in the Bible as opposed to the God of Christianity because im sure most atheists or agnostics are smart enough to see that there is a difference
Yes there is evil… but God did not stop there. You cant mention the evil without the sacrifice. Jesus died to offer us a way out. We can now choose life… and to go to a place where there is none of the things you mentioned. So its not like God created evil and left us to fend for ourselves.
I will present two arguments from evil and then give my rebuttal to them. *Argument 1* P1: If God is omniscient He would know how to stop all evil. P2: If God is omnibenevolent He would want to stop all evil. P3: If God is omnipotent He could stop all evil. P4: Evil exists. Conclusion 1: therefore, God is not simultaneously omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. P5: if God exists He would (more likely) be omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Conclusion 2: therefore, God (more likely) does not exist. *Argument 2 (uses modal logic. "Possible worlds" are a way reality could be/unfold)* P1: If God is simultaneously omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent He would only create a best of all possible worlds. P2: The actual world is not a best of all possible worlds [I could easily imagine a better world]. Conclusion 1: therefore, God is not simultaneously omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. P3: if God exists He would (more likely) be omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent. Conclusion 2: therefore, God (more likely) does not exist. I will give my answers below which rebuts P2/3 of argument 1 and P2 of argument 2, therefore, making the arguments unsound and thus their conclusions do not follow. Firstly, theologically omnipotence is the doctrine that God is as maximally powerful as is logically possible. Thus, God cannot do the logically impossible. If someone wants to argue omnipotence includes being able to do the logically impossible, they obviously have no real understanding concerning what the laws of logic are and no real understanding of metaphysics, but I will just respond by presenting two problems to their view. 1. If omnipotence is defined as being able to do the logically impossible and if God is omnipotent, then God is not restricted to the laws of logic and thus no logical argument could disprove God's existence (since for an argument to be valid the conclusion must logically follow from the premises--meaning the argument must not commit any formal logical fallacies--yet if God is not restricted to logical law Himself, then the conclusion would not obtain against His existence, because God's existence is not restricted by the laws of logic). 2. a proposition's content which violates a law of logic is normatively regarded as being a meaningless statement (thus it has no truth value). So, for example, the logical law of non-contradiction states something cannot be both A and not A (~A) at the same time and in the same sense. Thus, the following statement is meaningless gibberish, "In my car there exists a square which is not a square"; as it violates the law of non-contradiction. Yet, if one holds that something in existence can violate the laws of logic, they would hold that such a statement (which is normatively regarded as meaningless gibberish) has a truth value--very bizarre. It would be like thinking this following (what seems meaningless gibberish) statement actually has a truth value: "does the the pizza yellow in dice with ice cream?" With all that said, yes God is omnipotent but that does not mean He can violate the laws of logic. Secondly, I want to bring up the issue of a "necessary evil" for a "greater good." This concept is obviously logically possible and we also see examples of it in reality. For example, a doctor may cut off a person's leg, "a (necessary) evil", in order to save the person's life, a "greater good". Someone might respond: this is all true, but God being omnipotent, unlike a finite doctor, He would never be in a place where a necessary evil is required in His dealings for the greater good. my response: not true if the necessary evil is due to the fact God cannot do the logically impossible in order to achieve the greater good. For example, maybe a world where people freely love, even if it includes people who freely hate, is better than a world where people neither freely love nor freely hate. God can't, by definition, create an indeterministically free being and simultaneously determine such a beings actions (by the definitional nature of the case). There is a whole host of possible logical limitations one could think of, especially when more and more variables are introduced into the same reality. Thus far P2 of argument 1 has been rebutted--God would not want to stop all evil if evil can lead to a greater good--and P3 of argument 1 has been rebutted--God could not stop logically necessary evils for a greater good, if He wanted to achieve that greater good--therefore the conclusion can not follow. Thirdly, I want to bring up the issue of gratuitous evil (which is pointless evil not needed for the purpose of a greater good). I want to say I do not necessarily hold that every instance of evil is not gratuitous evil, some of it may well be gratuitous evil. It may be the nature of the case that allowing any evil at all (the category of evil) necessitates that some of it is gratuitous evil (and that is what makes evil so bad), but overall there is still a greater good than had the category of evil not been aloud to exist; or perhaps a world where gratuitous evil exists has an overall higher greater good than a world with no evil or a world with evil but no instances of gratuitous evil allowed because, for example, it is more interventionally micromanaged out. Fourthly, I want to bring up the issue of us not being in an epistemic place to know if we are in a best of all possible worlds via natural epistemic means. The person who says they believe we are not in a best of all possible worlds could be forming this belief: 1. Non-inferentially. 2. Inferentially (i.e. via modeling a better version of reality in their minds than what they believe the actual world to be). I want to address #2 for now. When we reason we model a reality in our minds; but obviously we do so at a very limited level. A person may argue: I can model a better world by simply imagining one less baby dying, for example, therefore this is not one of the best of all possible worlds. I believe there is an undercutting defeater to this argument (an undercutting defeater is a justified defeater which shows the belief-forming-mechanism which formed belief X is not a reliable belief-forming-mechanism) which shows this belief-forming-mechanism (BFM) does not have a reliable epistemic scope to form a reliable belief on the matter. Before I give the reasons as to why, I want to give an example of the principle. Imagine you are on the coastline of England looking south-west to see if there is any land on the earth in that direction. Your visual experience (your BFM) tells you there is no land on the earth in that direction. You have a justified reason for believing there is no land on the earth in that direction--that is until you realize that you have an undercutting defeater showing your visual experience (your BFM) is not in a reliable epistemic position/scope to form these types of beliefs reliably. This is the same problem when we model reality in our minds to think we came up with a better possible world. We can not model/know in our minds all that is logically possible to exist, we can not model/know in our minds all the logically possible interactions between what could possibly exist (including what becomes a necessary evil to a greater good in those variables and interactions) and we do not even know all of what exists/interacts in the actual world (and we would need to include variables like whether there is an afterlife, judgment day, heaven, hell, new earth, etc.). Thus, such a BFM, via means 2, is not in a reliable epistemic place to form the belief as to whether we are in a best of all possible worlds. In fact, this is the point God makes to Job in the Bible. Job is complaining about what he thinks is gratuitous evil (because in his reasoning that is what it seems like to him) and God basically responds that Job is not in an epistemic place to make such an assessment of Him. God challenges Job as to whether He has the ability to govern the universe like God does (and since he can't he should stop trying to be a back-seat driver). Job has good reason to trust God's goodness, and situations where he can not understand why God is doing what He is doing Job should just trust God (His ability and goodness) based on what He knows of Him already and because he is not in an epistemic place to know the details of these things which are making Him doubt God's ability/goodness. Someone may respond when they see, for example, a dear burnt alive in a forest that they formed the belief this was an instance of gratuitous evil via BFM means #1 (non-inferentially) and thus they are justified to hold this belief in the absence of a defeater. I again would respond that I don't think it is very likely such a BFM is in an epistemically reliable place to form this belief; but I won't go into detail on this. Rather I will grant it and say: since I allow for the possibility that there are instances of gratuitous evil (though overall there is a greater good) then maybe you are forming a correct belief about that instance of it. However, that would not mean you have good reason to know that every instance in sum total does not ultimately lead to a greater good than had none of these instances existed. Thus this rebuts P2 of argument 2 and therefore the argument is not sound and the conclusion does not obtain.
I take it then that you're continually giving money to starving and suffering people in Africa, and working in soup kitchens in town in your spare time, helping the homeless. If you're not, then don't accuse God of allowing suffering, when you could be teaching Him what He's supposed to be doing by your Godly example. PS: Typing on your keyboard in cyberspace doesn't count for charity.
Its okay to feel down cast sometimes, i feel it too. Spirituality motivates me to keep jogging on. Without faith there is no true success. This is why a lot of people commit suicide despite having all the success in the world. True success comes through spirituality through the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2:14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." The point made in this verse is crucial in our understanding of spiritualty, and how to interact with the non-believing world. In short, non-believers cannot be expected to think, or to act, like believers. The problem is not intellectual or moral; reason and evidence point towards God (Psalm 19:1; Romans 1:18-23). The key difference is spiritual: those who are not guided by the Holy Spirit, thanks to faith in Christ, simply lack a godly spiritual perspective. The only way to be believe the truths of God, including His plan for salvation through faith in Christ, is for God to communicate those truths through His Holy Spirit. Paul's work is to help people who have been given that spiritual ability to believe to understand what it means, but he knows that he cannot make anyone believe it. Intellectual knowledge and human reason cannot produce faith-at best, they can only impart facts (James 2:19). Now Paul shows the negative. Those without God's Spirit cannot possibly "get it." God's truths must be understood and believed on a spiritual level. Those without God's Spirit don't have that level, Paul insists. Like a radio, television, or microphone tuned to the wrong signal, they are literally incapable of receiving that message.So the natural person rejects as foolish anything that comes from the Spirit of God. Those who have only their human senses and human reason will never be able to comprehend the spiritual truths of God's revelation about sin, salvation, and Christ to His people. It's unreasonable to expect non-believers to process spiritual issues in the same way as believers. It's impossible to expect them to have the "mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:16) when they don't have the Spirit of God.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
Thank you for this video! I can relate to so many aspects of your story, and I really appreciate your honestly in sharing your experience! I am 41, and am finally acknowledging to myself that I no longer identify with Christianity, after believing for 20 years. May I ask you a question? Have you experienced any depression, or feelings of being overwhelmed since being an atheist? For me, Christianity was my greatest coping skills for decades, and made me feel special, that the creator of the universe loved me and listened to my every word. Now that I'm uncertain about everything it's like a huge let down. I would love to hear more about how your journey has impacted you mentally and emotionally. Thanks again!
Instead of getting angry with God, Get angry with the devil hes the cause of all evil. God is a refiners fire. It means his teachings and persona will either encourage us and make us spiritually strong or it it will make us be deterred and become weak. The word divides soul and spirit. It means that the word will separate the believer from the non believer. Not everyone who believes at first will always believe, the bible says that will happen.
@Greg Letter You have not been reading your bible and studying things. The answers to what your saying is in the bible. Lack of understanding and knowledge has caused you to think like this.
As an atheist there is no solution the only solution is grin and bear it. As a christian its believed that through prayer and actions you could overcome it, and repel it from your life.
I am not sure I would call it depression from a clinical view but I certainly had a huge existential crisis, and a lot of pain and suffering from my journey into no longer believing. When your very identity is built around this religion, your social acceptance, your ways of thinking, every last thing about you and you relationship with others in some way comes back to the religion it can be a very hard thing losing that. When the illusion breaks it can be devastating. The one being (God) who you loved more than life itself is gone, it is not easy it is like a divorce or a death of the self. It was one of the most taxing and traumatic moments of my life and it took years before I even accepted it fully. God as I knew is not and cannot be real and I devoted so many years of my life to this, I loved this simulacrum I had created and it turns out it isn't even real. The heart aches for quite a while as it needs to grieve the death of the simulacrum. But there is a brightness and beauty to life when you are free of the bonds of lies and can look at life on its own terms. One thing Jesus supposedly said which I do agree with, "The truth shall set you free".
@@skwozies3083 exactly, also ...seek and you will find .... I left after 60 years of indoctrination brainwashing, it was as you described, but now after being out for a few years, I am seeing just how beautiful life really is without the all encompassing slavery of Christianity, I truly believe that those who were heavily involved in christianity and are now out are the ones that are truly Free . We can calmly see life for what it really is, I no longer judge people but now see people for who they are instead of who I want them to be, I'm no longer seeing people as prospects and projects, life is just what it is and I am just who I am , in fact " I am the great I AM "
A friend who has been going through this same experience as of recently sent me this video, and I must say, you did a wonderful job at challenging, but very worthy work. Kudos.
This is something that I'd rather have a conversation about rather then just comment about. I self studied the bible obsessively for a couple years searching for answers. I really wanted to know God Intellectually. Also I had a experience that I just had to know what it was about. I found answers but one thing I found was a loneliness I never felt before. The majority of Christians don't know what the bible says in a whole, or the average person. Nor do they want to. I didn't have anybody to discuss what I had learned with. It's funny how strong of a belief some Christians have is something they know nothing about.. I've now studied outside of Christianity. I didn't want to be so one sided. I wanted to question everything in my life to find out what I truly believed. One thing I notice is that there is talk of a spiritual awakening in multiple beliefs. Personally, believe it's more about finding your true identity rather then conforming to how someone else thinks you should live your life. We have a gift of authenticity. That's what I strive for.
I studied the Bible for three years in college and many more before that, so I feel you! If you ever want to discuss what you learned you can shoot me an email at jcriley@protonmail.com!
@Flipside Thank you for bluntly telling us you wanted to : *know God intellectually* . I mean yes it was very right of you to seek for "truth s" but... Did you ask or question about them. The reason I say this is that, when you ask something it's either when you want to receive something or are curious to know. But questioning on the other hand, somehow in this context seems to defy. It might not be your case but if you ask anyone who claimed they searched for truth, you'll realize it was questioning the authority over their lives and wanting to be "free" from it. Like freely sinning without having the *guilt consciousness*. And since you said you studied the bible, I'm sure you are familiar with the passage that talks about how God chose the most "foolish" things of earth so that he can prove vain the "intellect" of the "wise". That his foolish looking doing is the height of human " intelligence ". God also rejects the proud and is close to the humble. So what happened when you came across that? But let me ask you this.. What would it have taken for you to believe in God? Vision? Unwavering prophecy about past,present and future? Seeing Demons? Miracles? Or The bible making sense in your mind? You find believing in God rational enough? You find God when you reach a very high IQ? But a million dollar question.. Even if you found out God is, would you want to give your life to him? If so, why?
Glad the video was helpful! Don't let any of your Christian friends and family get you down because of your beliefs. Your beliefs and doubts are valid.
There is no shame in believing in something different, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you was my son i would still love you and pray for you. I wish you all the best in life. I believe that life is hard enough with faith, without faith life is even harder, i know because i used to be a sceptic myself. My family members do not believe in God, i am the only one that truly believes.
Just remember that faith is individual, what you are going to say at judgement is that your family members were christian. You are going to go on your past experiences, and think its enough to impress Jesus. What matters is dying a true believer and not just believing at one point.
i am going through this right now. all of my close people are Christians and i fear i am going to lose them or get judged by them. it's hard to open up about it.
Best wishes to you, Olivia. I deconverted about 5 yrs ago after being a Christian for over 40 years. Happier now, guilt-free now, and I never cared for ppl as much as I do now, when I was a Christian. You're welcome to hit me up if you want to talk.
I totally get it. So scary. I'm still partially in the closet. I've been surprised though, by the people who still accept me. Just remember if they reject you for your believes they never really loved you for you, and there is a huge would out there with people who WILL love you. Best of luck to you.
First rule about deconversion, try to expand you circle of friends to people out of religion, so that you can gradually leave without any emotional commitment. Christianity is designed for you to be emotionally dependent on your Christian circle. Its all psychological manipulation.
CONGRATS! It took me 5 DECADES of uncertainty and struggling with my fears from intense brainwashing and indoctrination to finally admit openly that I didn’t believe in a God. That my doubts, questions and unbelief were valid. Your choice to come forward publicly will help others and hopefully encourage them to do the same.
@@mrafard Obviously these people do not understand what born again means, neither are they born again. To be born again is an eternal spiritual regeneration which cannot be reversed. In fact anyone that genuinely is born again would never have any true natural desire to leave the faith as far as I know. Going to a church building on Sunday in your Sunday best and sticking a bunch of money in a jar for some crooked, fake state licensed fool who insists on being addressed as "Pastor" has no basis in scripture. The only people that leave Christianity are those that never actually were Christians. Most of those were church attendees not Christians! Wake up time folks, the devil is working overtime to deceive. "Except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish" Luke 3:13 KJV God's judgment is coming, Jesus warned about deception like this video in the days before the false, imposter Christ takes control of the planet.
It is sad a religion that teaches only God can judge has followers that will judge you if you don’t agree with them. Strength to you, brother. I am an ordained minister who has lost my faith. Now I see the truth. Peace
What? When did Christianity say that only God can judge? The final judgment is up to God, but it doesn't mean that we cannot make our own judgements. Are you sure you're an ordained minister? Someone with such a high position should know better than to make such a blunder.
@@baldwinthefourth4098I think somewhere in Revelation it says that in the end many will fall away from the faith of Jesus Christ.This video I think shows that :( That makes me sad.
church is full of flawed people. iono why people act like Christians are God. God is God. not humans. it's simple. but here you are now judging every church goer lol
@@Finn-b1lOH NOO MAN😰😰. but also, before Jesus comes back. The gospel will be proclaimed to all the nations so that's some hope. And earlier today I saw people preaching the gospel and I almost teared up when I was walking to the shops. I was so happy and I still am. There's hope in this world.
I used to be hardcore Christian but my curiosity to know more led me to see how inaccurate and contradicting the bible and Christian faith is. I'm now just a deist with gratitude.
@@Apollogetics absolutely no. Grab a bible , pen and paper click the link I posted . Watch, write the verses mentioned in the video and compare and deduce. From there you can decide whether the bible is legit. That's all that needs to be said.
My brother's friend is in that boat. There are no contradictions but different insights. Remember that it says in the word that a person killed Saul (Book of 2 Samuel) and told David and it also says somewhere else (Book of 1 Samuel )that Saul killed himself. What happened was Saul tried to kill himself but would not die, so a person killed Saul and went to King David with his crown and confessed he killed Saul. David had the man who killed Saul, killed and David then lamented over Saul.
The Bible says that there will be a falling away. This proves that God's Word is always true. The Bible says - Trust no man. I will trust God, not this dude.
Believer: "Look at how many people believe in my ridiculous mythology. It must be true." Also believer: "Look at how many people are leaving my ridiculous mythology. It must be true."
That’s your belief though which you cannot demonstrate the validity of, you “feel” it is truth; but feelings don’t make things true. To you you beliefs though, usually it’s people who are insecure of their beliefs are have deep rooted fear mongering effecting them, who feel the need to say things like “we will pray for you.” Guess what, Islam also says there will be a falling in the future… guess Islam is true then not you.
I’m a teenager and i decided officially that I’m not Christian around last year summer and even with all of my points, experiences in the church and the people of the church and them neglect of my mental health (saying I should just pray), all I’ve been told since then is that I’m going to hell, that I’m going down a demonic path, that my lack of belief is why I’ve have my mental illnesses etc. And that reaction is one of the biggest reasons as to why I don’t associate with Christianity- their constant need to condemn.
Meerkat SK5 well if a guy who basically detonated his whole life to Christ. Planning on being a pasture, went to college to study the Bible can’t prove it , I don’t think you can
Thank you so much for this video. I know it takes courage to finally say out loud that you are no longer a christian. I left Christianity 2 years ago and I'm living my best life. But I sometimes feel like "But what if it's true and It's me who didn't understand it?". I still don't want to get back to religion. I love the life I'm living and watching your video reminded me of why I left religion at the first place. The thing you mentioned on no. 4 got me the most. How can God allow genocide and taking other people's wives and taking their properties? That's insane!
@@j.jmilan551 It only appears that way in the flesh bc the enemy got to your mind..they have many deceptions to pull people away from the truth and light of Jesus..
Thanks so much for your honesty. For me it was the list of "Do's and Don'ts" that made me feel inadequate and further away from God. Finally I decided to leave church, not saying everyone should, but I needed to be uninfluenced and sort myself out. What I found is that religion says "Fix yourself and God/we will accept you" while the Gospel is supposed to be "Come just as you are and I will give you righteousness/(okayness) as a gift". Religion says "You have to work hard to stay forgiven and right" while the true Gospel is supposed to be: "With a single sacrifice I have made you perfectly accepted and irreversibly forgiven forever". Religion says "God is in love with a future version of you" while the Gospel of Grace is supposed to be: "God loves you as you are right now unconditionally and is NEVER GOING TO CHANGE". This reveals a bit of what I found. Please see my journey as I left the church in this link for more: ruclips.net/video/WHGJZRMIA08/видео.html Appreciate it. Nicolas
Funny thing, the genocide in the OT was all Jews. A completely different religion. Of course Christians don't see it that way. For the "what-ifs?", I realized a long time ago that if the Christian God was real, and sin is so serious, why would he be obligated to save you JUST BECAUSE YOU ASK HIM TO? This is really just an attempt to manipulate God. A loving God would look at our hearts and values, not our doctrine.
I’m currently at the same process. I’m depressed and very scared to tell anyone that I’m no longer a christian. My family, my girlfriend and friends will probably just abandon me and I’m gonna have to deal with this identity crisis on my own. Thank you for speaking out though. It gives me a bit of direction and something to think about.
@@jesuslovesyouandiloveyouto7627 Well I’ve told my gf and she didn’t leave me (yet at least). My family still doesn’t know. My depression has gotten better actually, I’ve been able to sleep better and have less toxic thoughts.
@@mikkoruuska2018 I'm glad you are having less toxic thoughts! and i know this is gonna sound so werid but i am here for you! even though i don't know you! I just wanna say that I'm thankful and grateful for you! You are loved by JESUS he has always loved you. He cares about you and always has. And he will always be there for you. I love you! JESUS loves you more !
@@jesuslovesyouandiloveyouto7627 Yeah thanks I suppose. Right now I feel very peaceful and I don’t think I can be a christian anymore. People like you are great tho!
Ex Christian myself. The same people that drove me away from the church are the same ones that stayed. If there’s a Heaven and it’s filled with even half the people I’ve met in this life that claimed Christianity, then hell is the place for me. At least in Hell the ones in charge are likely open and honest about their hypocrisy, arrogance and cruelty.
WOWW... plz dnt talk like that. Hell is a real place. Have a relationship with Jesus. Believe the gospel He loves you and died for you on the cross. Eternal life is the greatest gift from God which no amount of Money can buy.
You don't know what you're saying. These bad people you met, if they end up in Heaven, will be there in a perfected state and they will not have these flaws you remember. Meanwhile Hell is eternal destruction.
For the record, neither am I man, no shame in it. Lot of good points to discuss and consider, sounds like you are doing what YOU want, not what your peers want 💯
Thanks for the comment, Dakota. Yeah, I just want to be open and honest about my beliefs and where I stand. I hope it creates discussions and makes people think about what they believe.
Its good to be free, i believe in the freedom to discover things. We should include God, always. Doing what YOU want is a problem because the bible says if we are not following Christ and living for him, we are not worthy of him. He only saves those that give their lives for him. God appreciates people that love and follow Jesus. The bible also says that.
Am glad that am not alone. Being a Christian for long and then one day waking up and realising you don't believe in what you thought was real was terrifying. I thought I had a brain tumor, but I don't regret deconstructing. Just to clarify ,deconstructing doesnt mean that you are an abomination to the society. It doesn't mean that you loose your moral values. Am still whom I was in terms of values and morals, but the Idea of a God doesn't include in my portfolio THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE.
For the MESSAGE of the CROSS is FOOLISHNESS to those who are PERISHING and SPIRITUALLY DEAD, but to us who are being SAVED it is the POWER of GOD. 1 Corinthians 1:18
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters God is a Father protecting his family, yes brutal to his enemies, yet giving them opportunity to repent. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Rejecting him because the bible says unpleasant things or christians act like this and that, or science says this - is all red herrings and besides the point, Jesus said I Am that I Am. He is either there or not.
Jesus loves you He will never leave or forsake you Salvation is about relationship with Jesus You have to focus on your relationship with Jesus and not what people do or say. People disappointed Jesus but He still loved them. God bless you.
Good for you. It took me until I was 47 to finally kick the habit. It’s mythology. There’s nothing wrong with it if it’s your thing, but it has always been mythology and people for thousands of years have had their gods. And they come and go. Gods of today are no different. I feel much better and I hope you do too!! I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Anna M. What you pointed out for sure. The fact that the god of the Bible is downright cruel. Friends and family telling me that I have to take everything literally or I’m not a true Christian...like the ark story, for example. Apologists getting caught in lie after lie as far as the science goes. If it’s true, why misquote the science? Why misrepresent the evidence? In short, creationist conmen. No evidence for the captivity or the exodus. Borrowed stories from Sumerian/Zoroastrian traditions. Talking snakes and donkeys. The fact that having belief seems to have zero effect on how good of a person you are (see jerry Falwell jr). So many things and I just stepped back from it and took a fresh look and it all just became absurd. It looked a lot like mythology. There ya go. We could talk about it all day, I suppose, but that’s a few things.
Anna M. You’re welcome. I have degrees in biology and geology so the science denialism really sticks in my craw 😀. So you read a book written by goat herders and have the audacity to insinuate that I wasted my life? F you. 😂😂😂
Your basis for believing in God had no foundation. Its a shame. I am only 33, but i have my foundation, its the teachings of Jesus. The persona is good but true foundation is based on the teaching, and doing certain things for spiritual growth.
@@2fast2block glad I don’t have to get triggered when someone doesn’t share my same mythology. Lol science is good like that. It doesn’t have feelings.
@@2fast2block the HONEST answer is we don’t know. But trying to come up with answers is the reason the mythology and religion exist in the first place. Many people are afraid of not knowing.
I was in church my whole childhood but was never a Christian. It was such a strange thing seeing through the BS but not being able to point it out. The persecution is palpable. Damn martyrs.
When I was short of my 4th birthday, my Christian father told me about Santa Claus. When I asserted that there could be no such thing, he beat me down like a sailor in a bar fight. His Christian mother then told him to throw me out of the house, because those inside the cult cannot associate with unbelievers. You can imagine how I feel about Christians. I have since read their book through in the original languages; Santa Claus isn't in there anywhere...
Over the last two years, I've become pagan. I haven't come out of the broom closet yet because I don't want to deal with the judgment/undermining of my decision you described at the beginning of the video.
@@2fast2block @2fast2block This has some holes in it. Scientifically we can only look back as far as moments before the big bang. Before that science doesn't do anything for us as there are no observations to work with. "If there was something there, it must fit the evidence of what we know" We can't assume that the properties of the universe apply to whatever process, or lack there of, created the universe. This is a composition fallacy. The observations we have are all of the universe. When talking about the process or entity that created the universe, the properties the universe has are not relevant. Within the universe energy can not be created or destroyed, this doesn't mean the process / entity that created the universe (provided there was a process / creator) would work the same way. Why would the "rules of the universe" apply to processes / things that are not the universe, necessarily? Whatever the answer to why something exists, rather than nothing, the answer is likely going to be some combination of incredibly odd, counter intuitive, complicated, surprising, maybe seemingly impossible, unknowable. The idea of a universe springing from non existence seems ridiculous. The idea of a universe cycling between states infinitely seems ridiculous. The idea of a an all powerful infinite being seems ridiculous. Every one of these explanations involves concepts for which we have never found an analogue in reality. The answer might be something beyond these 3 that we simply have not been able to conceptualise yet, and might never be able to conceptualise. Adding an all powerful being does not solve the issue of why anything exist, we now just wonder why the god exists. It doesn't get past the fact we need to deal with some kind of infinite as the god, I would assume, is believed the exist infinitely. If the god has not existed infinitely then we get the same issue of how the god could begin existing from non existence. These are the same problems as if we don't suggest a god. A few of our observations of the universe are so far unbroken. The basis of logic, identity, non contradiction and excluded middle are examples. All of these are concluded because without exception we observe the universe functioning this way. But once again, given that these are observations of the universe, not of a process / entity that created it, we can't tell if even this would hold external / prior / separate from the universe. True also of cause and effect. We observe that this is how the universe functions. But it doesn't follow that the process / entity that created the universe itself works this way. To argue that the answers we can think of seem ridiculous so we can conclude another answer, especially when this answer also seems ridiculous, is an argument from ignorance. For now at least, possibly for good (though hopefully not) we just don't actually have any real idea or evidence to help us demonstrate why a universe exists. We know there was an incredibly small dense point that began to expand very rapidly. We don't know if that point always existed, was created by a process, was created by an entity, was just a different phase in part of a cyclical process, literally sprang into existence from non existence or something else. The only thing so far that science has ruled out, and even this is tentative, is the idea of an unchanging universe that stays in pretty much the same fixed state. indefinitely. Science fiction, religions and so on that go beyond this are speculation. They are based on many things, fantasy, tradition, drug trips, social cohesion, a need for answers, human curiosity, cognitive biases, need for closure, indoctrination, actual historical events and so on. But one of the things they are not based on when it comes to questions of cause, is direct observation. People have religious experiences but different people have different experiences, and under different sects, and different religions. How would we tell which experiences are accurate and which are delusional? Given that many religions are mutually exclusive we know that most believers think that most believers of other religions are deluded, deceived, wrong, lying, mistaken. It's possible that they are right, but that this is also true of their own belief. Science doesn't provided support for a god, it doesn't rule a god out either.
I grew up in an atheist family, in a highly religious culture, and I only got exposed to religion as an adult dealing with mental health issues and I failed to find answers elsewhere. At some point I did fall into it, but realized that it would 100% make my issues even worse, and even be a symptom. Right now I am trying to stay away from it because to look at it in a critical manner, I know very few people who have kept their sane minds as religious people, their mind becomes consumed by it. And even the assumption that bible is the word of God, that is already really problematic to me. If people who wrote it down were human..idk, just it being so self-contradicting and ambiguous and open to different interpretations already doesnt sit right with me. And also, it is part of middle eastern culture and issues of the time, its fighting other peoples war
I am catholic but as a scientist inhsve a real problem with the bible church creationist theory and that first man Adam and the world and universe os 6000 years old when its been dated to actually billions of years old and ancient human bones and fossils are dated to be much older. Not to mention what the Nag hammedi texts say
Saying you are no longer religious, you are leaving a support system the church, fellowship nights, couples groups, church outings, picnics etc. So, that can be very lonely, since church is social. This man, studied and committed himself to learning. Very brave to move the way he did.
By the small leap of faith in Jesus you find meaning and belonging, immediate goods, but later a war on all evidence based reality that denies your comfort and, for some reason intrinsic, a war on democracy.
My biggest reason is that Jesus taught love and forgiveness and even for the enemy said to love our enemy. But God on the other hand will send you to hell if you just don't believe in Him.......does not compute.....
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Still I sought to know who is the real God and I found my answer. I found out who and what God is by reading Walter Russell. I loved so much his experience with encountering God that I wanted to share his words with others who I knew would love it as well. So I typed up many of his books as pdf files for sharing. His books and also many other mystics of old, whose books gave me answers. Here is one of them that I also read as I have made playlist of my reading most of the books I typed up. I send them as pdf files to people who ask me for them. Here is one that I read. ruclips.net/video/lOO6kR69PXM/видео.html
@Grace Butler, God doesn't send anyone to go to hell, you choose to go to and because he is a loving God, he respects your decision. Do you think its the judge Who send people to jail? People choose to.
first of all jesus and god are the same thing just in different forms i like to think of it as water as god the main in control if it all ice as jesus the solid form (human). Both the same thing but just in different forms. I am not criticizing you in any way just replying with my beliefs😊
Answer me this my friend , if , by God' definition of evil , He were to wipe out ALL evil at 00:00 tonight , would any of us still be breathing at 00:01 ? Or are you saying He should just wipe out the really bad evil , but leave the lesser evil by our definition ? Evil , my friend , is still on the earth , because we are...for now
@@katiedotson704 thanks Katie , I'm sorry my post confused you . Is 45:7 is referencing Gods' omnipotence . Evil was a choice Satan chose , much the same as Adam and Eve . Also , I don't recall mentioning the flood , however , if you choose to disagree with scripture and hundreds of atheist and Christian scientists that do believe a world wide flood happened , I respect your right to choose .
I am not sure I believe that people can be good or evil. They are people, and people do both good and bad things (which isn't always something easy to define, sometimes, as I think actions can have both intentions and consequences which are neither wholly good or wholly evil). If God didn't want there to be evil, shouldn't He, in His omniscience knowing that humans would do evil things, have chosen to not make imperfect beings? I cannot think of any way in which He could not be ultimately responsible for evil, really. If He is omniscient and omnipotent then why would He choose to make us, knowing that we would hurt each other and Him, and that some of us could never be saved because we wouldn't trust in Him? Unless you are of the opinion that ultimately all people are saved and made clean, which I know is a position held by some Christians. I know you have said Satan/Adam and Eve chose sin, but if God is the creator of everything, as it says in the Bible, and knew what the result of that would be, as He must have by virtue of being omniscient, then surely He must ultimately be responsible for evil existing? I am currently not sure what I believe, but I really can't answer these questions satisfactorily
@@duckydash13 thanks Alfie . I don't know whether you have children of your own or not , so I'll ask you this question; Do you think your parents , knowing that you would not be perfect , regret the day you were born ? Would you also say they would've preferred you had no other choice but to choose to love them and do only good ?
According to the bible, Jesus sets people free from spiritual bondage. We are only free when we decide to leave constant sinning behind and embrace God. Do you want to be free to make bad choices, without God and morals we will always make bad choices.
Are you free though. Freedom is to not conform to this world but be free from sinning which leads to physical and spiritual death. What are you free from that you cannot be free from as a believer. What you want to lust after men, or have lots of sex. God says get married and i believe that, because its best to have love and partnership with the person having sex with. I just gave the best example, to the best form of "freedom"
I am currently reading The Bible for the first time. I have had a lot of the same questions that you have had. It has caused me to doubt God’s Word. However, I don’t doubt God; because I know God is real. I have experienced Him so many times in my life. I can’t explain The Bible, but I also can’t explain the unexplainable presence of God.
No they are all in your head. Human brain is capable of crazy spiritual experiences/hallucinations. You can create similar experiences with other religions. And experiences/feelings shouldn’t be the arbiter of truth. I found it the hardway. Ex christian for 10 years.
Maybe your experience of god legitimate. But that doesn't mean the bible is true in every way. Seperate the experience from what other people tell you it means.......
You and me practically went down the same road to atheism. I was a pastor and have a Masters in Christian Ministry. I was so confident in the Bible and Jesus that it didn't scare me to study what atheist used to disprove the Bible and God. I wanted to be the best apologist. Well, after studying the Genome project and Richard Dawkins, I was bought on that evolution was true. However, for years I found reasonable ways to fit evolution into the framework of the Bible. Then the problem of evil kept me up at night. This lead me to study open theism, which can easily be explained by the scriptures. Open theism was taught by Greg Boyd and is the view that God doesn't know all things especially in the future because the future was open or in other words the future was not set. If the future was known by God then free will could not be true. So in short, God wouldn't intervene with stopping evil because if he did that then that person may not choose salvation at some point, but if he left them in their suffering then they may turn to him. Also, another way to look at it is if you save someone from their suffering then they may not be used to lead someone else to Christ. In other words, what if their pain leads someone else to Christ, but if God saved them from that pain then someone may lose their opportunity to be encouraged to follow Christ. It seemed possible if God didn't know the future. There are places in the Old Testament where it showed God didn't know everything. Then I saw the historical errors in the scriptures, but listened to Pete Enns who is a Christian who teaches that the Bible is not a perfect book, but the meaning is what is important. Pretty much what he said was that the authors are pointing to a truth, but sometimes they got historical events wrong and some interpreted certain events differently, but in the end, they were right about Jesus' message. Then I tried to understand the genocide and sexist behavior that God said was ok and demanded. Pete Enns taught that the New Testament is inspired, but the Old Testament isn't. He said the Old Testament has historical facts, but the moral values were not from God. Enns said that the Old Testament was like a immature view of God and Jesus came to enlighten us. However, Jesus taught that everything in the Old Testament is truth and inspired. The moral contradictions between the Old Testament and New was the final straw that convinced me to have the confidence to leave the faith. The Old Testament has God approving genocide towards even babies and children, being abusive to women by making women marry their rapists, pedophilia as seen in Numbers 31:17-18, abortion as seen in Numbers 5 and Psalms 137, and a very brutal view of slavery as seen in Exodus 21. Jesus said everything in the Old Testament is inspired and true. However, he contradicts the morals of the Old Testament. Also, Jesus says in Matthew 5 where it talks about not making oaths, he says vaguely that the Old Testament God is evil. Jesus says don't make oaths because of their evil nature, but the Old Testament God allowed and encouraged oaths. So which is it? I've been a confident atheist for 3 years. There have been struggles that should have brought me back to Christianity, but I've stayed firm in atheism peacefully. I'm not a mean atheist who is a jerk about their views. I still respect Christians as long as they are truly good people. I don't feel it's my job to tell how people should view how to grieve and how to feel hope. If God and religion makes you truly a good person then that's good. If a lack of God makes you good then that's good also. I've found peace with the view of no afterlife. It beats knowing billions are burning in hell for eternity. I have family members who are not Christians who would go to hell according to the Bible. It is more comforting that they no longer exist after death than to be tortured in hell. When I believed in God, I had issues with him because I saw so much corruption in church leadership. The Bible said God disciplines his children. I never saw evidence of that. I was slandered and hurt by many Christian's in church leadership. Since God was a personal God, it felt very personal when he let me get hurt and run overed, but allowed corrupt people succeed in his name. Now I know that life isn't really personal. If I get cancer or someone I love dies in a horrible way it's not personal because no God is in charge. I've had a blessed life truly so it is easy for me to be fine in my atheism. I feel that I'm more Christian than most Christians. I'm so Christian that I forsake Jesus because he approves of the Old Testament, which approves of genocide, sexism, abortion, slavery, ect. I feel that the meaning of life is to learn to be happy with yourself in a healthy way and to help others do that. Best way to do this is by not having regrets. I don't know if my philosophy really helps those with real deep guilt. But, my views help me. Just don't be a shitty person.
The Old Testament does not approve of the things you listed. What the Old Testament does do is tell a story with all the sordid details, which makes the point that all people are sinners in need of a Savior.
You are excellent at this. Please make more videos like this. The same format. I totally kept looking at the time left on this video, wishing that it would be longer. Im super serious man. Make more!!! Please.
Thanks, friend. I appreciate comments like this more than you know. It really motivates me to make more videos knowing that people enjoy the content. Hope you stick around for future videos!!
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Yeah man. You definitely have what it takes to become really big on RUclips. I shared your video with somebody and they agreed. KEEP IT UP!!!
@@marlinperry4250 thanks so much for the love and sharing the video ❤️❤️ hope to see you two stick around and share your thoughts on videos. If you have any video ideas you'd like to see just let me know!!
I hear you on your views on prayer. :) I'm not trying to be that person that "tries to convince people to be a Christian in the comments." I'm just saying, that to me, prayer is beautiful and a blessing. It's comforting to me when others say they pray for me, so I'm truly sorry that you felt the way you did. :) P.S. You're loved no matter what.
@Emily Kell A prayer is nothing more than a good thought. And it feels both nice and comforting to know that people are thinking of us and wants us well. It's an act that is nice in itself, even if there is not a "God" answering it. P.S. Sending you warm thoughts and love!
@@southernpride2003 i think she’s merely trying to say that when someone says they’re “praying for someone” that the intention is good, and loving. (instead of inherently passive aggressive) not once did she debate any of his issues with christian theology, hope this helped.
There's only one way that the bible makes 100% sense to me and that's to realize that it was completely a product of the time it was written in. Sadly this means it doesnt transcend time its authority and applicability
@@kushdygroweruk2024 what prophecies came true? All the prophecies in the bible that I've heard people say came true were extremely vague and likely to happen. Not exactly fulfilling
@@A.B.3103 unfortunately that is the spirtit of the anti-christ undermining gods glory. Isaiha 7:14-“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Here the prophet Isaiah prophecies the birth of Jesus christ, before he was born, furthermore Mary and Isaiah never met eachother, further proving gods work. You see many prophecies have come true, alp you have to do is look at the evidence with an open heart, and repent. God bless
@@kushdygroweruk2024 I've looked at all of the "evidence" you should look up the definition of evidence. And if you still think the same your lying yo yourself
@@A.B.3103 you haven’t looked at all the evidence, you’re too ignorant to do that. Furthermore the bible is made up of thousands of ancient manuscripts, the bible is a historical book. If you bothered yourself to read the bible you would realise that for example, Jesus waswitnessed rising from the dead by: cephas, then to the twelve(search them up if you don’t know) then more than 500 brethren saw jesus after the resurrection. Don’t be ignorant this is fact.
Could you make a video on the morality issue with the concept of hell , I’ve been a non Christian for three years now but I still have that underlying fear that is drilled into you at a young age and it gives me anxiety even though I now have different beliefs
I can look into making a video about hell. If it makes you feel any better, the modern idea of hell wasn't a concept until Christianity. The Old Testament concept of the afterlife is Sheol, which is just a sleeping place for dead people essentially. In other words, hell was just made up later on.
Skeptically Skeptical yes please, ive looked into the original concept, I’m a big linguist and the original description of hell in Biblical Hebrew was “ Gehenna “ which WAS a REAL place it was a valley that or “ pit” in Jerusalem, where they would burn garbage and the “ wicked “ and “possessed “ people ( epileptics) , I’m feeling better about it now but my anxiety was at an all time high about it when the covid started and my family and family friends ( all Christians) told me it was the rapture... illogical I know but they really still the fear into you , thanks again
There is no need for that, there is tons of videos about personal perspectives on hell. If it exists it is bad to know. At the end of the day, what matters most is not coming to God because you are afraid but because you want him in your life and to have a partnership with God. Giving yourself to him and he gives you the support you need, and talks through his word.
@@dylanheraid4611 Think about it this way: If there is a God and he has created you. Do you honestly think that he wants to torture you forever and ever? I think hell was something that the church people invented a couple of hundred years b.c. Just to scare people and control them. I hate the doctrine of hell. I really hate it. Its unbelievible that most christians believe in this sick stuff. Their kind of God is worse then a tyrant or a dictator.
I was a Christian for 28yrs as a Catholic but never once encountered God, so I left for good. However, the only reason why I’m a Christian today is because Jesus with piercing blue eyes and a smirk on his face appeared in my dream and opened a door in which I entered. I was made whole and could not perceive one ounce of evil like cuss words or anything negative at all. It was pure goodness and Joy and I never wanted to leave that dream. I know he’s from God and not God as I learned from the home fellowship he lead me to and have since, encountered him on numerous occasions apart from everyone. But solely from that dream, I know he’s the messiah and have stopped questioning the Bible’s contents. I just know he’s all good from that encounter and wishes me well and I have gotten so much further in life because of my continual learning of his kingdom! As far as Evil, the rule he doesn’t cross is man’s freewill.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
A few years ago I met an active catholic priest, he was around 60 years old. After a few beers, he told me his whole life, he talked about the seminary, about half of all his colleagues were gay, and at the end of their studies, Most doubts about their decision, many became teachers of religion, he was ordained as a priest and is still responsible for 3 parishes today. He said he feels like an actor, but his job is not difficult, all roles repeat themselves again and again, baptism, , wedding and funeral. His parishioners have no idea that he has been an atheist for ages ... he said he was looking forward to his retirement. and he doesn't fear one hell ... all just humbug
@@sheinthecomments187 you are a believer so you have to believe me ... as you believe in your fictional god. i also know a german monk who lived in the monastery for years ... the more he read the bible, the more he became an atheist ..... my advice read all the bible, including the old testament and the books of moses .. the greatest enemy of religion is science and education and these will also accelerate the decline ... never forget, there are 1000 religions and you are also an atheist in 999
@@EzraB123 Unfortunately, I don't have his address, he was only here for his vacation, I met him on the beach for two days in a row, a beach lounger has confirmed to me that he has been here for a month for around 15 years. He also knew that he was works as a priest in his home country. at first i had doubts, he told me he lived in germany in lower bavaria and looks after 3 parishes there. he had studied in würzburg in the kilianeum ... i have no doubts about his statements ... if he is a liar then to his community sheep
I was once an atheist. Came from an atheist family grew up with atheist friends. Still all my friends are atheist. I used to laugh at people who still believed in a god. Know they laugh at me cause i am a christian
Try to encourage people with what jesus taught when we try to go about christianity in our own way and don't educate why god did what he did and the evidence of the authentication of the bible we get confused people like this.
@@Worick_ I'm not really looking to confirm my own agenda. I want to know how everyone discovered their truth... what justifies them to believe in what they do. I'm interested in finding out Truth and not my own agenda. I believe Christianity is a load of crap but at the same time am willing to hear someone's story. Thus far no one in the Christian community has been able to provide ANY proof of validity to their beliefs; its embarrassing. "Because it's in the Bible" is NOT proof lmao.
Jesus is probably a safe bet compared to the rest of the Bible. 🤗 I still believe in Jesus. I just no longer allow myself to be manipulated by fear of exclusion from the "body of Christ". Jesus taught the exact opposite of that.
"I'll pray for you" is condescending and an insult. Good talk! There are 4,200 religions, but MINE is the only true one. Frankly, I think religions have done much more harm than good.
Right...until you, your husband, mother, father or any loved one is on their death bed clinging to life...then suddenly you have a change of attitude and also are the first in the doctor's office TRYING HARD not to die. What you scared of? Give up all your meds and vaccines if it does not matter what you believe. Just step out of time and leave it at that.
@@sheinthecomments187 That is quite a thing. Stepping ''out of time'' is a strange place to be in your mind....I've done it...and am doing it....I decided to dismiss and disconnect from this present world scenario before it was too late for me. I ''stepped out of time''....before I was ......OUT OF TIME !!!!........js.........
Ardently Fair I couldnt agree with you more. People acting on beliefs that can't be proved should worry us all. If it was any topic other than religion, they'd be called crazy. How can the topic even be debated when NOTHING is factual? Zero evidence to support a higher power. The best emotional argument wins. And people believe what they want and the best orator stand at the podium and wins the collection plate while a bunch of fools sit in the pews handing over their money because they are too scared to think rationally.
I HATE BEING FORCED TO BE A CHRISTIAN IT DOESNT RESONATE WITH ME IT IS SO OPPRESSIVE AND INAUTHENTIC I DONT LIKE GOSPEL MUSIC I AM TIRED OF FEARING GODS WRATH BECAUSE IM BEING ME. EVERYTHING IS PERCEIVED AS DEMONIC. LIKE WHAT. IM READY TO BE MY REAL SELF.
It can be difficult being a Christian…I’m a pastor going through something similar wrestling with my faith and I don’t know if I would necessarily leave my faith..but I do understand you because it is hard and the world can be cruel…
I started my walk out of Christianity in 2012. And what it boils down too is all the murder and blood sacrifice that I never could wrap my head around sitting in the Pew and it is my opinion that it's scripted prophecy and mind control 😏I was very involved in my church,it was a journey you can't really tell ppl about they have too find your own path.I believe the kingdom of God is within our creator that is love would never demand blood or have a special group of ppl. Journey well.
Good man! You're not alone. Real friends will accept you for who you are and what you think and not try to "save" you. I wish you well in your journey.
@@sheinthecomments187 I sense you're trying to tell us something, but I have no idea what that might be. "Callest him thou good?" I think you'd convey more clarity if you'd drop the hifalutin King Jamesian verbiage. Your next sentence makes no sense at all. Just who "NEVER CAME TO THE TRUTH"?
Okay, mea maxima culpa. I figured out "callest him thou good" translation: "You're calling him good? "Thou callest him good?" would have been clearer. If this is straight from the old KJV, that's all the more reason not to rely on it for clarity, not to mention truth or accuracy.
@@MrRezillo First, KJV is the closest anyone will get to the original WITHOUT being a millionaire and BID on older versions. The Open is also a good second. ANY OTHER VERSION is edited by satan himself and WATERED DOWN so that no one feels any urgency, conviction or see the power of the scripture. BECAUSE satan authorized NEV, NKJV, NES, NET, SRV, NSRT which has made GOD equal to man, thus now they have you believing through such editions that JESUS had a baby some where and Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. 😏
@@sheinthecomments187 Here's a good explanation of just what the KJV is, how and why it came about: ruclips.net/video/ehnEZtqj2Mo/видео.html "satan authorized NEV, NKJV, NES, NET, SRV, NSRT..." I don't know what all those acronyms are, but no matter. Can you please provide the documentation for your statement that satan authorized them? Thank you.
I'm really thinking about it. Because I have been having scary thoughts about god and I'm scared if I sin I'm going to hell and it is bad for my health I can't sleep I'm not happy and overall I feel down. So for a day I wasn't a christian and had the time of my life no bad thoughts having a great day. What do you think I should do?
I think you should take it slow, God is not expecting you to be totally perfect and sinless. I think you should keep a repentant heart and a pure mind. It comes in parts over time, through prayer and fasting.
Hey I also left Christianity and became an atheist because I studied the Bible and theology, I just want to say you’re not the only one who left because of intellectual honesty and that I can totally empathize with the frustration of having people discount your actual reasons for leaving and pretend it’s all emotional or something. Keep being you and speaking openly about this stuff so people can get over the “atheists are just angry and lashing out” stereotype of why we apostacize and/or criticize religion.
Leaving Christianity was the best decision in my life. I was very into it my whole life, and my life was a misery. I left to be atheist, but ended up being agnostic. 10 years forward and I met real, living, working, loving God. And now I am Christian, Catholic, a believer, not a religious person. I believe I needed to leave my wrong ideas about Christianity and God, and meet real God and real Jesus and build a real relationship with my Creator. The best that could happen to me. What your environment or religion tells you about God doesn't matter, you have to experience a real relationship with God to say that you really are a Christian. Once you did that, you will never leave, because it's the life like nothing else can give you. God bless 🙏😇
I lost my faith in the Bible when I started learning of Hinduisms idea of God which makes a lot more sense than Christianity about the nature of God. The truth is, which you touch on, we don't know. Anyone who says they "know" for whatever reason by whatever source is lying to themselves. It is okay to Believe something, but saying you know for a fact is just tolerated insanity.
So you believe in 100s of man made Gods. That is what they are man made. The christian Triune God only makes sense to spiritual people. Hindus do not have a book of grace, or personality or simplistic complexity as the bible God has.
"That led me to realise that Genesis is not literal". On the one hand your seminary taught you Hebrew and Old Testament theology but it didn't teach you the different ways to read the genres of the Old Testament
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 So they had no problem reconciling evolution and Genesis, but you did? To be fair I've now watched the whole video and this is just one of the reasons. I just don't think it is a particularly good one. So many deconstructions I've heard over the last 15 years or so that I have been involved in apologetics seem to be people deconstructing from some form of fundamentalism (and that includes you). This always sounds like throwing the baby out of with the bathwater.
Hey man, I respect your opinion, and I'm clearly stumbling on videos like this because I'm searching for people who have doubts or have left the faith (which implies I'm having some doubts of my own) but I'm only 8 minutes in, and I cringed when your first point was evolution, and I MEGA cringed when your second point was the problem of evil. I'm not going to write a huge comment attempting to challenge your views on those points right now, but I will just leave you with this. I think if you became a better studied philosopher, you could very easily overcome the problem of evil, and you could likely overcome evolution as well (the question being macro evolution not micro evolution when dealing with genesis). I believe Darwinism does not have answers for intelligent design and irreducible complexity, and it is surface knowledge that Darwinism can not explain the origins of life itself (abiogenesis being merely a hypothesis, which does not hold up under unbiased scrutiny). Obviously the Darwinist question wold be a bit more controversial than the problem of evil. In terms of "how can evil and God coexist?" I think it's a simple matter of challenge being allowed to exist. We are here to learn and experience, and part of that experience is conflict/opposition/evil. There can be no light without dark. I livestream almost every day, and would be happy to have a discussion with you in my chat. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as hostile or trying to get you in a "gotcha!" kind of scenario. I'm having some specific questions about my own faith, but I'm just letting you know that I stopped your video after you appealed to Darwinism and the problem of evil, because as an experienced theologian and philospher myself I don't find those points difficult or intellectually stimulating. Take it or leave it, I myself am likely leaving Catholicism for a more open spiritual loosy goosy kind of Christianity that is less about damnation and more about unconditional love and acceptance, because I don't think I should be acting like I know who deserves eternal punishment and who doesn't when I question my own faith. Sorry for the ramble, God bless....err take care lol. Peace.
Good job. You left for sound reasons, unlike the assumptions that Christians often make, of apostates such as ourselves, that we were hurt, depressed, etc. You thought it through and were no longer convinced.
Yes, it's sometimes quite frustrating when people make that assumption. I never had a bad church experience, and still very much love and spend time with my Christian friends. I left Christianity for purely logical reasons.
These are sound reasons, if the person, does not work on spiritual growth and does not read the bible often. The things is we can read the bible like stories or we can read the bible as a book of faith. Reading the bible like stories does nothing, but reading the bible as a book of faith is totally different. Its all about context.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
Hello. I appreciate your video. I have had a similar deconstruction. However. I was curious if you ran across the story of Francis Collins and if you had any response. Thanks.
When I came out as a gay man at the ripe old age of 40, 22 years ago, these are many questions that I wrestled with, and still do. I had grown up in and was very involved in the evangelical Christian church, and knew I needed to leave. “Home ain’t home anymore,” to borrow a line from an early 70s Olivia Newton-John tune. (I am that old.) However, I seem to be “wired” to rest in a power that is higher than me, not unlike that which is understood in AA. Fortunately, after a bit of wandering, I found myself in the Episcopal Church in which reason is not abandoned. Science is respected. There’s no young earth litmus test. “Salvation” is not about missing out on Hell, but rather seeking justice in the here and now and letting the “by and by” take care of itself. No literal interpretation of scripture. Doubt is honored. Questions are encouraged, not for the purpose of persuasion, but rather is transparent as we grapple with living in a way that makes it clear that we understand there is a spark of the Divine in all of us. I share this just to make the point that not all Christians believe the things that you and I, once did. Yet, some of us still enjoying “dancing” into the mystery without thinking that faith means one has to disengage the ability to reason and one is “saved” by the completion of a checklist. Peace
I wish I would have figured this out when I was your age. After reading the bible in 97/98, I began to doubt its authenticity, but do to a fear of hell and other people telling me,"that I was close to blasphemy." I kept believing. Great video young man.
@@jumpy5064 Hello, Mr./Ms. Jumpy. Welcome.This is a pretty heavy subject for a young person. For most of us, the beginnings of doubt and deconversion didn't play out until we were much older. It's much to your credit that you Question at your age. My only advice(offered in all humility) is to avoid fanatics on both sides. I have found that if a person uses hurtful language; threats, slurs and questioning your intelligence they are not interested in YOUR growth; only in their power. I wish you the very best of luck on your journey. It can be difficult at times, but, it's very worth while. Peace and love to you, my young friend. Stay safe Be well
If I'm wrong, I lose nothing. But if you're mistaken...YIKES!! We have all SINNED and fallen short of the glory of God. The wages of SIN is DEATH. God is providing a 'GET OUT OF JAIL FREE' card. Accept His gift of salvation! DO NOT BE DECEIVED!! DO NOT BE DECEIVED!! Please take these words seriously. Or not. It's up to you. It's ONLY the fate of your ETERNAL SOUL. ...I set before you LIFE AND DEATH...CHOOSE LIFE. Jeremiah 30:19
So you're blaming on God what the devil tempts men to do and then men themselves choose to do. Gotcha. Men "choose" to do evil because they have a freewill. Evil isn't a "created" thing. It's the absence of God's righteousness. So trying to put this into a "first cause" scenario doesn't work. In other words, God didn't "create" evil. Men of their own volition choose to commit it. They could just as easily choose to do good, but you have no problem with that. So I guess you'd rather be created as a robot who has no choice and no freewill? And since you're not a robot you hate God or rather refuse (by choice) to believe in Him? Okay.
I work in drug rehab and recovery. I think faith is very important in overcoming problems that seem impossible to overcome. The problem is that faith is so often used to manipulate and oppress people. My solution is to say this: Why say that God created the Universe when you can just say that God is the Universe. I would also like to say that most people are content holding the view of God they got from their parents and held as a child. If your view of the world has changed, maybe you should examine your view of God as well.
It seems like you just believed what people told you when you were younger and never had the opportunity to form your own beliefs. I know that feeling. Keeping pursuing your truth, but I truly hope the truth pursues you .
I’m sad to read all of these hateful comments from “Christians”, but I’m not surprised. That’s just kind of how they are toward people who leave the church. I’m glad you were able to see the truth. Welcome to a life of real freedom. I’ve found that my atheist friends are MUCH more accepting and compassionate than my Christian friends. It’s sad. It true
Yeh, it breaks my heart to see how so called "christians" act and interact with non believers. However, judging others seems the order of the day of most people in general, most people are all about themselves. It seems pride is the culprit. Don't let religious people give you the idea that true believers act like that. Hypocrites everywhere, especially when they get online.
Let me say as a follower of Christ with an agnostic husband I see both sides and I respect others beliefs as a follower of Christ we are not to judge others decisions not Al Christians are the same like me I’m not condemning anyone it’s not my job as a Christian if we had all the answers there would be no faith no point in believing that’s the point of god he doesn’t condemn the world he’s here to save the world we have free will god says seek and you will find the Bible is inspired by god through humans he was fully god and fully man Jesus died on the cross so that we will be saved from sin all you have to do is believe and invite him into your life it’s a personal choice as a follower of Christ myself if you have questions pray to god be real with god it’s not a religion it’s a relationship with god the churches in our time now in my opinion do not teach the Bible that’s the issue they teach very man centered and I suggest you study the Bible like this man in his video has done I just think he should soften his heart his heart and mind are not open enough to understand the Bible just reading it and taking it all literal is wrong Jesus talked in parabolas remember once I was blind now I see this guy doesn’t see he is blind he doesn’t really know god from my perspective if you know god and really know him like his your friend you will understand the point of faith is not knowing like I said previously my husband is agnostic he was atheist and now is agnostic I pray for his salvation all the time and day by day he’s realizing god is the only answer questioning your beliefs means gods closer than you think so I hope one day those who are atheist soften their hearts and search god for themselves
The Bible was clearly written by primitive and fearful men who invented an angry and petulant god , because the world around them seemed baffling and scary . People who say the Bible stories follow any dicernable logic have only skimmed the book .
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. (2 Peter 2:21) 4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. (Habakkuk 2:3-4)
You dont have to go to church just follow Jesus Christ read his word and belive on him let the holy spirit lead you on the path of righteousness. You can pray everywhere you want Jesus is not a religion he is the way the truth and the life. Pls find comfort in him.
@@2fast2block What are you on about? I don't make any claims about the state of our world or how it was created. all of the bυllshit your spewing doesn't affect me or my beliefs
*I just Googled it because I thought the same as you...unfortunately, scientists have finally managed to change the meaning!* _"In everyday use, the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess without supporting evidence. But for scientists, a theory has nearly the opposite meaning. A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts."_ *Just another lie to confuse people. Christians know better!*
@@brendatajik6150 Ok so are you blaiming your lack of academic science education? How do you learn new stuff and grow if all new info is "lies"? just because the popcultural usage of the word "Theory" is different than the scientific usage? What about something being so good its "bad" or something so awesome, its "sick"? What about when your medical tests come back "negative", does that mean its bad? Why are you using fuzzy pop cultural definitions of words as the standard? It has been well established for hundreds of years that the scientific definition of theory is different than popcultures usage. A scientific theory explains a wide range of seemingly unrelated phenomenon (Gravity theory/Germ theory). If you want to overturn a theory, you need to explain an even wider range of (seemingly) unrelated phenomena and also have more precise Predictive Powers of future observations of (seemingly) unrelated phenomena. An example would be Gravity Theory and its Predicitive Powers explaining everything (seemingly) unrelated to each other; planet formations, supernova, black holes, orbits, earth quakes, the dynamical motions of geo physical forces, landslides, etc etc etc. Germ Theory and its Predicitive Powers, discovered at a time when noone realized causes of diseases and illness were caused by invisible germs that has universal predicitive qualities. Germ Theory (and its 4 principles) were able to explain a wide range of (seemingly) unrelated phenomenon, and its able to predict the future.
Fascinating - as a person who was raised in catholicism and went to catholic schools we did not read the bible. I knew by age 13 that this church was not good for me and I stopped being religious . Every time I was curious and felt like it would be worthwhile to read the bible I just couldn't. It just made me angry and disgusted me. I am 69 and so impressed at the number of young ex christians who are actually extremely well studied and thoughtful speaking with such strength and revealing this ridiculous (to me) text. Having lived in the deep south of the US, I saw the sickness that was a result of these really closed christian communities and that the constant attention to the bible was/is making people mad (as in stark raving mad )and blocking their exposure to anything that contradicted their "faith" and this was so revealing. THANKS - YOU GUYS ARE THE NEW LEADERS!
@@biabia4462 Ty for replying. A lot has happened over the last year. My wife and I reconciled our marriage. And I received my faith back. We are both working towards being received in the Catholic Church. God used my new interest at that time, salsa dancing, to reconnect us. When we got back together I was still reading my new age material but God opened my heart and mind to the Catholic Church in a way I’ve never seen before. My wife also was being drawn in and we allowed God grace to work in us. I am so very thankful to God our father for restoring me. Satan really tried to divorce us but greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world! God bless you! May the peace of Christ be with you!
I am saddened by this "testimony". One cannot come to faith in Christ via philosophical arguments but by relationship. An experience cannot be rocked or shaken whereas a belief can be undermined by removing one's foundations.
My friend, an experience can most certainly be rocked or shaken. That relationship, passionate and pure as it is in the moment, is not as rock-solid as you or I had come to believe. Don't let philosophy become an enemy. We should see God abounding in its corridors, yet, looking in, fog shrouds those halls, and no God responds when we call into it, only echoes of the past. Be careful as you walk those halls that you don't get lost in those echoes.
It's wild. I was raised deeply in church. Had a conversion experience. Later, I took an initial drink in the waters of doubt, and probing. That surface level inquiry (and other things) made me lose faith. A crisis later drove me back to the cross. But I still had all those doubts. So I probed deeply. I'm reasonably certain all the "problems" he discovered I did as well. It all sounds very familiar. But ultimately it all made it make more sense to me. Not less.
I seeked him for a long time and still wound up an Athiest. God created me, knows me, knows my past, present and future. So he would know the exact thing that would make me belive in him. So why hasnt he revealed this to me ? And how could it be my fault for not beliving ?
If you have the ability to think, then you also have the ability to believe. This is the way that faith actually works when stripping ALL theological arguments away from the discussion. Faith is used when you start to believe in something, whether it's in your own will to choose for yourself or to believe in a higher power. I remember briefly discussing this issue in a therapy session a while back, and honestly, it baffles me as to how I could have been this confused about the subject of faith alone. Faith is something that coincides with the act of believing, and if you don't believe in anything or refrain from having any sort of belief system, then that's on you alone. It's not for me to say whether that choice is right or wrong because I get that morality is subjective in some cases; no two minds think the same. I try my best to be respectful of all people regardless of whether they're a Christian or not, but for me at least, some of the questions I used to ask myself just aren't worth the headaches now. Just living is the goal for me, and in the most authentic way possible.
@@howdoyouknow1218 That is a bad idea, say if Jesus is real and God wants to help. Because of your restricted mindset, you will let the kids suffer. It tells me that if your kids found a way to start believing in Jesus. You would reject them.I know that because that is my sister.
@@joshuamartinpryce1237 I would never reject my kids..... for any reason. That’s what religious people do. Also...all religion is mythology. Period. Snakes and donkeys don’t talk. No flood. No Adam and Eve. No Tower of Babel. No Jonah. No captivity. No exodus. Stories that were told in the region, adapted from earlier stories (not even original stories!). and then finally written down. Mythology. I have no fear of being dead or heaven or hell. Jesus isn’t “coming soon”. That’s been said for 2000 years. He’s a no show. With that said, if you aren’t hurting anybody, you are free to believe what you want, especially if it makes you a good person. Go for it.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
I think being a follower of Christ is hard. The hardest but definitely the most important decision I've ever made in my life. Actually, I admire you for being honest about what and how you feel. Not a lot of Christians can actually be honest about their internal battles. Can I ask you to do something? I want you to remember the moment you turned to God. I want you to remember the exact moment you felt hopeless and thought that there was no other way but GOD. I want you to seek Him and don't stop until you find Him. It's not always gonna be rainbows and unicorns. There gonna be days when you don't feel like talking to Him, but that's exactly the moment you have to talk to Him. I believe this is exactly what the Bible had told us about fading away, and the Bible also mentioned what to do when you feel like you're fading. God wants you to remember the exact moment you felt His glory and presence. God wants us to come back to those moments when you know that if it wasn't because of Him, you won't be able to get out of that certain situation. I really, really hope you'll find Him again.
@@PotatoesAreNeat the point of life is not to be happy. I can be happy just by killing people doesn't mean its right. Only god has the truth not you not any man but he can gift it to you. Ask and u shall receive. Choose your own false like everybodyelse road and u gona die
@@vas6583 jeez! You should seek help. Killing people doesn’t make me happy. Why do you think it makes you happy? Do you talk to the man in the sky? Does he tell you to kill people?
It's funny how sometimes those studying study themselves out of Christianity. Anyone who starts researching comes to the same verdict. As I tell my own people in vids as a deconvert. Some deconvert fully to atheism and some like myself are unspecified theists now. But all of us had the same journey. We all had an inkling of a feeling, for me even when I was young, that we just didn't buy that a man rose from the dead. Then you start researching something besides your Pastor's sermon. And that is exactly what your church doesn't want you to do. Because once you start to see that there isn't the evidence the apologists state there is, once you realize their claims are not proof of anything but bad speculation, you won't be a Christian for much longer. Cheers, DCF
Thanks for sharing. I would agree with what you have shared. Many people are challenged when others go against the status quo. Most religious texts are contradictive.
The bible has no contradictions, the disciples all saw the same things but they had different insights and perspectives. For example, the the two angels, and the one angel thing, when they went to the tomb of "dead" Jesus. Remember that one disciple went into the tomb and the other disciple was by the door he didnt go all the way inside, so they would of had different insights. I could go on, but the point is perspective and insight.
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I love these “ why I’m no longer a Christian “ videos… it was the best decision Ive made that has given me the most peace and true joy no matter what and I’ve experienced abundance in several areas of my life and healed myself of my anxiety disorder and carpal tunnel.
@jonsdaytrades our mind is powerful.. what we believe to be true, is.. you can heal yourself .. leaving Christianity les me to research and find ways to live my life in a more abundant way.. read Dr. Joe Dispenza’s book ‘You are the Placebo”.. I don’t follow any rules I just create my own based on the reality that I wish to experience..
And what are you now and in what way does it bring you more peace than what you had as a Christian?
I am a Christian who used to be an atheist, and from my perspective I am much more at peace now than when I was an atheist.
@jonsdaytrades I was baptized as an infant, however I left the religion for a few years and became an atheist, but praise be to the Lord Christ, I found my way back.
And I do remember that when I was an atheist I was not at peace at all. Now, though not at perfect peace, is much better than when I was an atheist.
@jonsdaytrades Why do you need this info? It is unnecesary to the argument at hand. Because the truth is that "Being at peace" in a belief does not mean that that belief is true or untrue.
@@baldwinthefourth4098you made the right decision,a lack of understanding what christianity is,makes us leave christianity,i have battled the spirit of atheism,bcoz it is what leads us away from the truth,one can be a pastor and leave christianity, if you don't have proper foundations,you will have a lot of problems. I have heard audible voice of God 4 times, i have had visions,i have had an open vision of Jesus. I have seen my friend manifest demonic possession,wasn't staged,nothing,i have seen it all but still have had to battle doubt. The devil is real,and he will drag you to hell if you let him,if you can't identify him,you will fail. Glad you came back to you faith,Jesus guarantees to make Himself indisputable to everyone on earth. Seek and you will find is literal,we don't seek horizontally but vertically
I just told my parents and youth pastor about how I wanted to leave the church. They literally cannot fathom my decision.
The great falling away. Mason you will see many leave as we're close to the end.
@@Odo-so8pj what do you mean by that? the rapture?
@@mason-xr5pr No such thing as "rapture" it's not in the bible. That's a daft idea con men in America tell Christians Along with you can get an SUV etc etc. Less than 10% of people actually read their bibles. My friend is "Roman Catholic" and has NEVER read a chapter.
@@mason-xr5pr By the way I understand why you want to leave.
@@Odo-so8pj I heard you used the term “great falling away” and I assumed you were here to try and convert me. Lol
i love how everyone in the comments tries to reconvert him by quoting bible verses to him, lol. think that'll work? the other trope is to accuse him of never being a "true Christian" well that's one way to keep score, you never lose anyone, because those who leave were never actually there. lol
Funny how you just quoted a bible verse written before you even existed stating EXACTLY what you just said.
well I'm sure whenever an atheist converts to christianity and puts it online, atheist's likely try to do something similar, or make fun of them for becoming christian. so is it really that surprising?
Its not that weird. If its not in the Bible is it really Christian. To represent a Christian perspective you need to have some basis in the Bible. They could attempt to put it in laymen's terms.
The No True Scotsman fallacy is not a compelling reason to return to any religion. I'm very happy for him. Life has so much more meaning when you realize it's not just a dress-rehearsal.
@Deborah Hearne "I would love for him to get saved and become a real Christian." This is exactly what every brainwashed members of every cult say.
I feel the same and I’m just done dealing with the “We’ll pray for you”
@@2fast2block
Are you saying God doesn't hear the prayer of the wicked? Well im not giving up.
So condescending!!!
@@tealx2014 what is?
@@gordongoodman8342
When people say, “they’ll pray for me!”
@@tealx2014
Why is that condescending to you?
Over lockdown I really struggled with despair and loneliness. I felt completely isolated from our Church, hardly anyone got in touch to check on me and I felt incredibly isolated. When I reached out to a few people to say I am struggling I would get superficial replies and not hear from them again, it's like they couldn't handle me, didn't want to engage with my suffering.
The last few months have made me doubt Christianity and Church.
I still love the Lord but why are Christians often so uncaring???
I have experienced more kindness from "Non" Christians during lockdown than from so called Christians - that really, really hurts.
Thank you Jacko, for reaching out. It breaks my heart to hear this. That the people you considered brothers and sisters to have let you down. But I'm not completely dismayed, because I know someone who is trying to get your attention. I might not experience exactly what you are going through, not because I have ppl where I am, but because I saw the only one who was and is here.
Let me tell you about mine first. Through hardships, torment and unspeakable loneliness, there was another In the fire. And I can't tell you the thing it does to my soul to know I've been granted to see the other in the fire and waters.
It took my isolation to understand it, it took my loneliness to realize I am not. I love you so so so much more than you can imagine tho I've never seen you , because of the love my Jesus has for you.
You are never alone. Neverrr. I don't know if I can emphasize this much better. But I tell you from every experience and moments in my life. I am miles and miles away from you. But Jesus.... Oh Jesus is.. Closer than your own breath. God has come that close and you're not consumed.
I urge you with all my might, all my being to turn to him and say I wanna see you I want to feel and know you are here. I just can't take this anymore. He is close to the broken hearted and weak in spirit. Fall before him and cry yourself out .. Because I now see him with me and know it with every part of my being, wouldn't you want to also have that? Wouldn't you want to demand a closer relationship with him? Then ask and demand from him, that he grants you to see and know his closeness.
I love you so much, but his love.. Oh his love is one that cannot be comprehended. There is more to following God than going to church. It goes beyond the physical.
Yes people fail you, but Christians are not the starter of your faith. The pioneer and perfecter of our faith is Jesus. And he is beyond some letter in a book. He wants to be your soul friend, the one you lean on and cry your heart out to. The one you hold hands with while closing your eyes and walk on a tight rope.
I can't explain to you enough how much he wants to be with you, like how you would spend time with a human. Chatting away into the night till dawn, while he immerses your soul with his presence that words are not created for to describe. It's beyond what I can tell you to have that with Jesus, just as you want more of him he wants more of you. For you to seek to talk to God than sit in unproductive conversation with ppl. Read the bible while you are in prayer, let it not be just you who speaks.
I know you said you love the lord. So now go to the next step. You remember that woman who loved her man in song of songs? She was head over heels, but when he came to her door the night she got all cleaned up and ready for bed, she said " how can I go out again?" It was a long process so she didn't want to do it again. Finally when her man poked his finger through the door, she realized she should open for him, but he was long gone. We can love someone so dearly, but what we do with that love is the fruit of it.
Desperately seek his face, especially in this lockdown. Where it can only be you two. I'll pray that he puts It in my heart I pray for you everyday. I would love to hear from you.... But he died so he could hear from you. Lots of unfailing love to you.
@@isalme6557 Dearest Isal Me, you cannot believe HOW much your words have blessed me. I am in tears. You are a wonderful human being to take time to write this to me. You clearly understand pain and suffering. Thank you so, so much. I am just back from a long walk with the Lord. I just walked and walked and walked and now I came home to your beautiful words. Wow!!!!!!!!! Speechless.
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And I am more blessed to know the same spirit that dwells in us moved and touched our hearts. May God bless you abundantly according to his infinite riches. Until we see each other face to face in our father's rest, where there is no more suffering, be strengthened in Christ. Love you.
@@jackomile1838 I really understand you bro, during lockdown i doubed Gods existence because of many trials, i´ve struggled with many things, so many including loneliness during that time. Im still alone in some sense, but i trust Jesus over all. I know it´s painfull to carry on, that there are so many dark nights, deep valleys, but be sure, dear brother, son of God, He is with you. Don´t let this bad arguments to convince you from the contrary. Christian apologetics have good responses, but overall, you have a Great God ready to help you, that knows suffering, you are not forgotten to him, you are forgiven, because he is LOVE. Don´t be afraid to be sincere, just express yourself and try to engage online with good christians. join a community or something like that and be in contact with mature christians, just look for them, ask God to give you friends. I really know what you feel... i still struggling with that kind of thoughts, many suffering in such a short period of time, but even so, i carry on. Withouth God´s existence, life has no sense, universe neither. Take my advice, look for internet friends, christians, and there´s no problem if you have felt better love in non-christians, because God´s grace reach anybody, even the non-christians. Remember how Rahab, not being jew, helped the Israelites in Jericho. I really hope you find peace during your struggling, your loneliness and your painfull nights, Jesus is there, bro, trust him, look for help and don´t let your hear die alone. You can contact me if you want. My email is nhlfabrizio@gmail.com God bless you, youre not alone, trust me.
Same here. I've learnt to help myself during the pandemic. Parents and relatives so called Christians are nowhere to be found. Lol
I stopped being a Christian while I was a missionary, on a mission’s trip. I was a very ardent Christian as well. I’m still a very spiritual person and I have sympathy for my Christian friends and family, but I won’t ever be able to go back to that way of life.
Theres only one way of life in the scriptures. Told directly from God on what everyone is to be. And it ain't baptist, mormon, jehovah witness or even christianity or any other man made religion.
@Ryan Smith And a man is the one telling you there is no God.
@Ryan Smith Your point is well stated. I also have your thoughts about God. I will briefly add my "two cents worth", to your comment, which may help you.
I do believe in the Christian God; however, I've decided that He's a cosmic sadist who thoroughly enjoys His cryptic games. He set the current game up, which He's been doing and playing over and over in "eternity past" with His other prior creations and creatures. The Bible was written and compiled by an intentionally cryptic cosmic sadist who thoroughly enjoys its well designed ambiguity which has caused thousands of disparate and adamant individual and group beliefs in God whose adherents always claim is the "right way" of believing in Him. He never seems to clearly intercede and resolve these differences much less make Himself objectively known to everyone as you pointed out. I'll conclude by quoting Marvin Gaye's "Inner City Blues", "It makes me wanna holler, throw up both my hands"!
I'm curious as to your experiences on your missionary trip, if you don't mind me asking.
@@theanimator2290 It was great! I went to places like South Africa where we spent most of our time in townships (which are essentially slums, the remnants of apartheid). And also Greece and Germany (where we ministered to Muslim refugees who were living on the streets or otherwise miserable conditions. I had my doubts about Christianity before but the more I talked with refugees on the streets of Athens, I saw strength and joy beaming off their face and it didn’t come from Jesus, it came from God. And God is accessible to all people’s everywhere under any name and INSIDE ourselves, INSIDE the people around us, though our flesh may distort that fact, even to Satanic lengths, it is the truth. It was impossible for me to think otherwise, that the divinity of God stretched like a branch or a vine into all thinks, the seed of Life planted everywhere. The Bible is important to me (I even learned Hebrew for two years in University in order to read the Old Testament after I stopped being Christian) and there is a LOT you can learn from it. But there is a lot to learn from all the religions. And when you cut away the excess of each them you forego the dogma that twists the truth (dogma and orthodoxy ruin religion, we are already beginning to see this with modern science today, the NEW religion of the age. True science leaves room for questions, the science of today does NOT. The lab coat wearing scientists have become the new white-robed priests and their religion is one of material and nihilistic science, they have left no room for spirit even though it’s effects are plainly seen (research people like Wim Hoff I have also seen many people healed on my mission’s trips).
I 100% support you. I am going through the exact same thing. But whenever I try an explain myself I'm bombarded with criticism, and people trying to shove a religion down my throat that I don't even believe in anymore.
@Deborah Hearne They are probably pretenders that go to church to put in their hours and get their time-card ''stamped''. God don't work thataway !!!!!!
And the Bible SAYS THAT !!!!! You can't earn salvation....you can't buy Christ
.....you can't ''be good enough'' The Bible says that ...and your church attendance record is not the criteria that God uses to judge you...If this were not true....it would be unfair...because only the smart would make it....only the strong would ''make it''....only the successful would be worthy...only the ''religious'' would ''qualify''...WHAT ABOUT THE ETHIOPIAN WHO DIED OF STARVATION AT 12 YEARS OF AGE????? THEY GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL BECAUSE THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT JESUS???????????....KMA !
GO STUFF YOURSELF !!!!!!
@Deborah Hearne no comment
A) god knows but doesn't care
B) god doesn't know
C) god knows but can't change anything
D) god is the one doing it on purpose
On suffering, injustice and evil
Sweetheart, no one has the right to judge you. You should be loved for who you are. Those that don’t love or except you, fuck them.
@@nick281972 My Dear Friend, can you expect only GOOD from God. When we are in this earth, we have to go through great troubles. That shows, that God loves us. We may not understand. When Christ returns, and after we reach the kingdom of God, there won't be any more pain.
It’s so difficult when your whole circle (friends, family, etc.) is Christian. Sometimes I feel like the only choice is to conform, and hope that true belief will someday follow. At this point, though, I feel that I could never be a true Christian again. The issue is that my love and respect for those who’ve made an impact on me is so great, that I fear disappointing them. And then, there’s that sense of dread that you experience, knowing that your loved ones are going to go to their graves thinking that you’re eternally damned: it’s sad, and I don’t want that pain for them. But, I also don’t want a fraudulent lifestyle for myself. I cannot realistically upkeep a lie for the rest of my life, and, frankly, I don’t want to. It feels like such a delicate and confusing situation. Maybe that has something to do with the fact that I’m still living under my parents’ roof, and the majority of my social experience has been under their influence. It probably does. I just want THE truth, but I’ve found that there really is no such thing: it’s all biases, and evidences towards this thing or the next, but nothing definitively proves or disproves the existence of (a) god(s). That’s a hard pill to swallow, especially having come from the belief in something solid and “unchanging”. I had a moral code created for me before, which was both limiting and comforting. Now, I’m faced with, “What do I believe is morally right?” That affords me a sense of freedom, but also uncertainty and apprehension. It’s interesting that you can be both terrified for the well-being of your “soul”, and experience feelings of freedom simultaneously. There’s always the, “What if I’m wrong?” That’s one thing that is pretty clear, and also seems to be the last line of defense for Christianity. It’s also the scariest, because nobody can even FATHOM eternity- let alone one of suffering and anguish. Anyways, I just wanted to put my thoughts of recent out there. Feel free to comment opinions/perspectives: I love to hear them!
I can relate about the part of feeling fear for your family going to their graves thinking you are eternally damned for no longer believing. My parents were divorced since I was 2 years old, but when my dad died, my mom expressed doubt that he went to heaven, and implied that he went to hell. I couldn't believe how insensitive that was... It was the first time I had experienced bereavement of someone I knew from my immediate family. My dad wasn't a good person or a good father, but he had experienced a lot of trauma and poverty in his life since his childhood, so I gave him grace. After that, I worried that if I were to die unexpectedly, my mom would legitimately think I went to hell. And I don't want her to think that or be troubled by that thought, so I figured I could just hide my new agnostic belief system from her. But when you think about it, if she chooses to believe so rigidly about the fate of someone's soul including mine, that's her problem... I'll be dead, chillin🤣
We can say these things about every religion, apart from islam, which borrows its spiritual language and prophets from the bible. There no books of religion worthy to consider, are there even any books appropriate for the occasion. If you want evidence of the bible you have to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal things to you, as i did.
these days i try my best to stay AWAY from them
it's best for my sanity
@Madi Stevens
I don't know if you'll read this, but... Back around 2013 God asked me to finish a story I wrote about a witch who defects from a cult, and has to save her son from said cult.
I asked why he wanted this of me, and he implied that the themes I accidentally wove into the story about having faith oneself, and the main character's growth throughout the story might resonate with some people. And you might be one such person.
I also understand your uncertainty, as I share it to a degree. Because you think I trusted the notion God gave me, you'd be wrong. Because I had to endure having my geeky hobbies demonized in the 90s and early 2000s. So the idea of writing a story about a witch saving her son, or a demon gaining eternal salvation(which is a long story...) eats at me. It got so bad I sacrificed my love of writing and creativity on the alter of religion.
I'm working to get it back, and ma'am, by pure coincidence, you helped me in achieving that end.
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This comment thread is absolutely brimming with Christians making assertions based on their own assumptions and speculation. I would love to see believers actually ask someone who has deconverted a relevant question or four. I’ve literally never seen it happen.
@SecondKings15fourteen well this is rather humorous. My suggestion was that believers ask questions, not answer them or make unevidenced assumptions. After 5 years of intense research the answers I find from the believer have become tediously repetitious.
@@kofw72
Speaking as a Christian, I would ask such a question more often. But I've hesitated for a time because I had a sensitive creative drive and wanted to avoid getting ideas for stories that would add to a long list of ideas.
But since I've sacrificed my passion for writing and creative drive on the alter of religion, and want it back, guess I better start asking, huh...?
Im a christian. I guess the only question I have is "do you have all of the information you need to make an informed decision ? If you do then great, if you don't then great and then there would have to be a next question of "do you have any questions for me?" and go from there.
I am a novelist. The creative drive comes from God. God makes no mistakes. Ask away!@@DemonicRemption
For people passing through: These topics are a trap set by satan to try and get questioning people to justify what satan is planning for their lives due to their experiences and "knowledge" instead of talking about the realities of ourselves. True freedom is loving God which is loving Life. It's not complicated. Didn't even say what satan is to him or what God is to him.
How do you control the masses? Threaten what you don't want them to do with hell fire and damnation. It sort of worked.
This statement is a complete misunderstanding of Christian doctrine. Hell is not a place for Christians even if they commit sin. Christian doctrine teaches their sins are forgiven by faith in Christ and His sacrifice and resurrection. So for the Christian there is no need to use hell to force them to do anything. They are already forgiven. They are advised to live according to christian values revealed in the word.
For unbelievers is another story. It will be a place of separation from God which they have already chosen by their free will. If during your life you didn't want to belong to God it is fair that in the afterlife you will be separated from a God you didn't want to have in life .
The consequences of Christian theology is that people have treated each other with more respect than they ever have in the history of humanity
@@nick_castelli hmm. I see very little respect much less love, compassion and empathy. Perhaps u live in a utopia I just don't see.
@@iwnunn7999 are you saying that to me? Or just to Christians in general?
@@iwnunn7999 well humans are evil. the Christian walk is that difficult that you see people fail at it constantly. but God is the judge, not humans. if church members were perfect then every church would be its own perfect God. humans are corrupt and will always be corrupt. do not let church be the arbiters of truth and judgement. just stand before God in your prayer, in his presence and you will know everything about your worth and you won't like it, but he will RESTORE you.
Here is the quote you were looking for. It comes from an ancient Greek philosopher:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
- Epicurus
That's the one! The Epicurus Dilemma. Thank you!
Are you a puppet or a being, if he controlled you, you would be a puppet, if not your a being, if beings are evil it's not God it's the beings. Hmmmm?
U should be a Christian
Hi! The truth is, we do not know God’s reasons for everything, we can only have theories about that topic. I do now know exactly why God allows evil to happen, but i know that most evil thing are made/caused by man (not all, diseases, cancer, natural disasters etc. Are not, i get that) and we do not see what God prevents, only what He does not. Sometimes we can, but in other words, i mean:
We can’t know, right know He may prevented somebody to get in a car crash, or He might didn’t let the devil do something.
There are things we can not know, because He may doesn’t let it happen, prevents before we know it will happen. We only see what He does allow, but we can’t see what He doesn’t.
His ways are higher than our ways, i do now know His reasons, but i trust Him.
@@dorkailles7780 ahhhhhh the age old argument of "Whatever I can't explain must mean there's a God". That's the same mentality as the goat herders who wrote that book.
Studying Theology at school and uni. including Hebrew and Greek, got me thinking more deeply. The straw which broke the camel's back was the problem of evil and suffering. An omnibenevolent God does not go with war, the Holocaust, devastating disease, people/child trafficking and the deeply ingrained injustice in the world. The death of my brother and sister from cancer when they were in their fifties didn't help. Whilst I can appreciate and accept the role - positive and negative, that religion has had in human development and history, I can no longer be part of it.
The holocaust, war, people trafficking etc are all products of free will, something god given. Free will is necessary for the true love of god, which is the most important commandment. Now regarding diseases; god has stated that Mark 11:24-Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
So if one has cancer or a disese ask god to cure it, and if you ask with faith you will be cured. For example I myself used to have a flock of sheep with their lambs, one of the lambs had a condition wherein it would have seizures randomly, so that night I asked god to cure this lambs problem and the next day the lamb was cured, it didn’t have a seizure ever again. Bear in mind that this lamb had being having seizures every 30 mins for the past week or so. But the whole basis of your reasoning to why god can’t exist is flawed, how does diseses existing disprove gods existence, after all how does nothing explode to create complex life that have free will?
What if hell isn’t real and God allows suffering so we truly understand love when we receive it that honestly seems to line up more with the God described in the Bible as opposed to the God of Christianity because im sure most atheists or agnostics are smart enough to see that there is a difference
Yes there is evil… but God did not stop there. You cant mention the evil without the sacrifice. Jesus died to offer us a way out. We can now choose life… and to go to a place where there is none of the things you mentioned. So its not like God created evil and left us to fend for ourselves.
I will present two arguments from evil and then give my rebuttal to them.
*Argument 1*
P1: If God is omniscient He would know how to stop all evil.
P2: If God is omnibenevolent He would want to stop all evil.
P3: If God is omnipotent He could stop all evil.
P4: Evil exists.
Conclusion 1: therefore, God is not simultaneously omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent.
P5: if God exists He would (more likely) be omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent.
Conclusion 2: therefore, God (more likely) does not exist.
*Argument 2 (uses modal logic. "Possible worlds" are a way reality could be/unfold)*
P1: If God is simultaneously omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent He would only create a best of all possible worlds.
P2: The actual world is not a best of all possible worlds [I could easily imagine a better world].
Conclusion 1: therefore, God is not simultaneously omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent.
P3: if God exists He would (more likely) be omniscient, omnibenevolent and omnipotent.
Conclusion 2: therefore, God (more likely) does not exist.
I will give my answers below which rebuts P2/3 of argument 1 and P2 of argument 2, therefore, making the arguments unsound and thus their conclusions do not follow.
Firstly, theologically omnipotence is the doctrine that God is as maximally powerful as is logically possible. Thus, God cannot do the logically impossible.
If someone wants to argue omnipotence includes being able to do the logically impossible, they obviously have no real understanding concerning what the laws of logic are and no real understanding of metaphysics, but I will just respond by presenting two problems to their view.
1. If omnipotence is defined as being able to do the logically impossible and if God is omnipotent, then God is not restricted to the laws of logic and thus no logical argument could disprove God's existence (since for an argument to be valid the conclusion must logically follow from the premises--meaning the argument must not commit any formal logical fallacies--yet if God is not restricted to logical law Himself, then the conclusion would not obtain against His existence, because God's existence is not restricted by the laws of logic).
2. a proposition's content which violates a law of logic is normatively regarded as being a meaningless statement (thus it has no truth value).
So, for example, the logical law of non-contradiction states something cannot be both A and not A (~A) at the same time and in the same sense.
Thus, the following statement is meaningless gibberish, "In my car there exists a square which is not a square"; as it violates the law of non-contradiction. Yet, if one holds that something in existence can violate the laws of logic, they would hold that such a statement (which is normatively regarded as meaningless gibberish) has a truth value--very bizarre.
It would be like thinking this following (what seems meaningless gibberish) statement actually has a truth value: "does the the pizza yellow in dice with ice cream?"
With all that said, yes God is omnipotent but that does not mean He can violate the laws of logic.
Secondly, I want to bring up the issue of a "necessary evil" for a "greater good." This concept is obviously logically possible and we also see examples of it in reality. For example, a doctor may cut off a person's leg, "a (necessary) evil", in order to save the person's life, a "greater good".
Someone might respond: this is all true, but God being omnipotent, unlike a finite doctor, He would never be in a place where a necessary evil is required in His dealings for the greater good.
my response: not true if the necessary evil is due to the fact God cannot do the logically impossible in order to achieve the greater good.
For example, maybe a world where people freely love, even if it includes people who freely hate, is better than a world where people neither freely love nor freely hate. God can't, by definition, create an indeterministically free being and simultaneously determine such a beings actions (by the definitional nature of the case).
There is a whole host of possible logical limitations one could think of, especially when more and more variables are introduced into the same reality.
Thus far P2 of argument 1 has been rebutted--God would not want to stop all evil if evil can lead to a greater good--and P3 of argument 1 has been rebutted--God could not stop logically necessary evils for a greater good, if He wanted to achieve that greater good--therefore the conclusion can not follow.
Thirdly, I want to bring up the issue of gratuitous evil (which is pointless evil not needed for the purpose of a greater good). I want to say I do not necessarily hold that every instance of evil is not gratuitous evil, some of it may well be gratuitous evil. It may be the nature of the case that allowing any evil at all (the category of evil) necessitates that some of it is gratuitous evil (and that is what makes evil so bad), but overall there is still a greater good than had the category of evil not been aloud to exist; or perhaps a world where gratuitous evil exists has an overall higher greater good than a world with no evil or a world with evil but no instances of gratuitous evil allowed because, for example, it is more interventionally micromanaged out.
Fourthly, I want to bring up the issue of us not being in an epistemic place to know if we are in a best of all possible worlds via natural epistemic means.
The person who says they believe we are not in a best of all possible worlds could be forming this belief:
1. Non-inferentially.
2. Inferentially (i.e. via modeling a better version of reality in their minds than what they believe the actual world to be).
I want to address #2 for now. When we reason we model a reality in our minds; but obviously we do so at a very limited level.
A person may argue: I can model a better world by simply imagining one less baby dying, for example, therefore this is not one of the best of all possible worlds.
I believe there is an undercutting defeater to this argument (an undercutting defeater is a justified defeater which shows the belief-forming-mechanism which formed belief X is not a reliable belief-forming-mechanism) which shows this belief-forming-mechanism (BFM) does not have a reliable epistemic scope to form a reliable belief on the matter.
Before I give the reasons as to why, I want to give an example of the principle.
Imagine you are on the coastline of England looking south-west to see if there is any land on the earth in that direction. Your visual experience (your BFM) tells you there is no land on the earth in that direction. You have a justified reason for believing there is no land on the earth in that direction--that is until you realize that you have an undercutting defeater showing your visual experience (your BFM) is not in a reliable epistemic position/scope to form these types of beliefs reliably.
This is the same problem when we model reality in our minds to think we came up with a better possible world. We can not model/know in our minds all that is logically possible to exist, we can not model/know in our minds all the logically possible interactions between what could possibly exist (including what becomes a necessary evil to a greater good in those variables and interactions) and we do not even know all of what exists/interacts in the actual world (and we would need to include variables like whether there is an afterlife, judgment day, heaven, hell, new earth, etc.). Thus, such a BFM, via means 2, is not in a reliable epistemic place to form the belief as to whether we are in a best of all possible worlds.
In fact, this is the point God makes to Job in the Bible. Job is complaining about what he thinks is gratuitous evil (because in his reasoning that is what it seems like to him) and God basically responds that Job is not in an epistemic place to make such an assessment of Him. God challenges Job as to whether He has the ability to govern the universe like God does (and since he can't he should stop trying to be a back-seat driver). Job has good reason to trust God's goodness, and situations where he can not understand why God is doing what He is doing Job should just trust God (His ability and goodness) based on what He knows of Him already and because he is not in an epistemic place to know the details of these things which are making Him doubt God's ability/goodness.
Someone may respond when they see, for example, a dear burnt alive in a forest that they formed the belief this was an instance of gratuitous evil via BFM means #1 (non-inferentially) and thus they are justified to hold this belief in the absence of a defeater.
I again would respond that I don't think it is very likely such a BFM is in an epistemically reliable place to form this belief; but I won't go into detail on this. Rather I will grant it and say: since I allow for the possibility that there are instances of gratuitous evil (though overall there is a greater good) then maybe you are forming a correct belief about that instance of it. However, that would not mean you have good reason to know that every instance in sum total does not ultimately lead to a greater good than had none of these instances existed.
Thus this rebuts P2 of argument 2 and therefore the argument is not sound and the conclusion does not obtain.
I take it then that you're continually giving money to starving and suffering people in Africa, and working in soup kitchens in town in your spare time, helping the homeless. If you're not, then don't accuse God of allowing suffering, when you could be teaching Him what He's supposed to be doing by your Godly example.
PS: Typing on your keyboard in cyberspace doesn't count for charity.
Thanks for this. I relate so much. Good to know others have been through similar things.
Thanks for watching. Yes, seems to be in the waters these days. A lot of people in my life have deconstructed/deconverted as well.
Its okay to feel down cast sometimes, i feel it too. Spirituality motivates me to keep jogging on. Without faith there is no true success. This is why a lot of people commit suicide despite having all the success in the world. True success comes through spirituality through the Holy Spirit.
Go back to church, and give God another chance, pray for the Holy Spirit this time, and work on the Holy Spirit and receiving Him.
1 Corinthians 2:14,
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
The point made in this verse is crucial in our understanding of spiritualty, and how to interact with the non-believing world. In short, non-believers cannot be expected to think, or to act, like believers. The problem is not intellectual or moral; reason and evidence point towards God (Psalm 19:1; Romans 1:18-23). The key difference is spiritual: those who are not guided by the Holy Spirit, thanks to faith in Christ, simply lack a godly spiritual perspective. The only way to be believe the truths of God, including His plan for salvation through faith in Christ, is for God to communicate those truths through His Holy Spirit. Paul's work is to help people who have been given that spiritual ability to believe to understand what it means, but he knows that he cannot make anyone believe it. Intellectual knowledge and human reason cannot produce faith-at best, they can only impart facts (James 2:19). Now Paul shows the negative. Those without God's Spirit cannot possibly "get it." God's truths must be understood and believed on a spiritual level. Those without God's Spirit don't have that level, Paul insists. Like a radio, television, or microphone tuned to the wrong signal, they are literally incapable of receiving that message.So the natural person rejects as foolish anything that comes from the Spirit of God. Those who have only their human senses and human reason will never be able to comprehend the spiritual truths of God's revelation about sin, salvation, and Christ to His people. It's unreasonable to expect non-believers to process spiritual issues in the same way as believers. It's impossible to expect them to have the "mind of Christ" (1 Corinthians 2:16) when they don't have the Spirit of God.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
Thank you for this video! I can relate to so many aspects of your story, and I really appreciate your honestly in sharing your experience! I am 41, and am finally acknowledging to myself that I no longer identify with Christianity, after believing for 20 years. May I ask you a question? Have you experienced any depression, or feelings of being overwhelmed since being an atheist? For me, Christianity was my greatest coping skills for decades, and made me feel special, that the creator of the universe loved me and listened to my every word. Now that I'm uncertain about everything it's like a huge let down. I would love to hear more about how your journey has impacted you mentally and emotionally. Thanks again!
Instead of getting angry with God, Get angry with the devil hes the cause of all evil. God is a refiners fire. It means his teachings and persona will either encourage us and make us spiritually strong or it it will make us be deterred and become weak. The word divides soul and spirit. It means that the word will separate the believer from the non believer. Not everyone who believes at first will always believe, the bible says that will happen.
@Greg Letter You have not been reading your bible and studying things. The answers to what your saying is in the bible. Lack of understanding and knowledge has caused you to think like this.
As an atheist there is no solution the only solution is grin and bear it. As a christian its believed that through prayer and actions you could overcome it, and repel it from your life.
I am not sure I would call it depression from a clinical view but I certainly had a huge existential crisis, and a lot of pain and suffering from my journey into no longer believing. When your very identity is built around this religion, your social acceptance, your ways of thinking, every last thing about you and you relationship with others in some way comes back to the religion it can be a very hard thing losing that. When the illusion breaks it can be devastating. The one being (God) who you loved more than life itself is gone, it is not easy it is like a divorce or a death of the self. It was one of the most taxing and traumatic moments of my life and it took years before I even accepted it fully. God as I knew is not and cannot be real and I devoted so many years of my life to this, I loved this simulacrum I had created and it turns out it isn't even real. The heart aches for quite a while as it needs to grieve the death of the simulacrum. But there is a brightness and beauty to life when you are free of the bonds of lies and can look at life on its own terms. One thing Jesus supposedly said which I do agree with, "The truth shall set you free".
@@skwozies3083 exactly, also ...seek and you will find .... I left after 60 years of indoctrination brainwashing, it was as you described, but now after being out for a few years, I am seeing just how beautiful life really is without the all encompassing slavery of Christianity, I truly believe that those who were heavily involved in christianity and are now out are the ones that are truly Free . We can calmly see life for what it really is, I no longer judge people but now see people for who they are instead of who I want them to be, I'm no longer seeing people as prospects and projects, life is just what it is and I am just who I am , in fact " I am the great I AM "
A friend who has been going through this same experience as of recently sent me this video, and I must say, you did a wonderful job at challenging, but very worthy work. Kudos.
This is something that I'd rather have a conversation about rather then just comment about. I self studied the bible obsessively for a couple years searching for answers. I really wanted to know God Intellectually. Also I had a experience that I just had to know what it was about. I found answers but one thing I found was a loneliness I never felt before. The majority of Christians don't know what the bible says in a whole, or the average person. Nor do they want to. I didn't have anybody to discuss what I had learned with. It's funny how strong of a belief some Christians have is something they know nothing about.. I've now studied outside of Christianity. I didn't want to be so one sided. I wanted to question everything in my life to find out what I truly believed. One thing I notice is that there is talk of a spiritual awakening in multiple beliefs. Personally, believe it's more about finding your true identity rather then conforming to how someone else thinks you should live your life. We have a gift of authenticity. That's what I strive for.
I studied the Bible for three years in college and many more before that, so I feel you! If you ever want to discuss what you learned you can shoot me an email at jcriley@protonmail.com!
@@Apollogetics if you did
@@Apollogetics can you show it to be true
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@Flipside
Thank you for bluntly telling us you wanted to : *know God intellectually* . I mean yes it was very right of you to seek for "truth s" but... Did you ask or question about them. The reason I say this is that, when you ask something it's either when you want to receive something or are curious to know. But questioning on the other hand, somehow in this context seems to defy. It might not be your case but if you ask anyone who claimed they searched for truth, you'll realize it was questioning the authority over their lives and wanting to be "free" from it. Like freely sinning without having the *guilt consciousness*.
And since you said you studied the bible, I'm sure you are familiar with the passage that talks about how God chose the most "foolish" things of earth so that he can prove vain the "intellect" of the "wise". That his foolish looking doing is the height of human " intelligence ".
God also rejects the proud and is close to the humble.
So what happened when you came across that?
But let me ask you this.. What would it have taken for you to believe in God?
Vision?
Unwavering prophecy about past,present and future?
Seeing Demons?
Miracles?
Or
The bible making sense in your mind?
You find believing in God rational enough?
You find God when you reach a very high IQ?
But a million dollar question..
Even if you found out God is, would you want to give your life to him?
If so, why?
Thank you as someone with lots of Christian friends and family members you helped me insure my beliefs as non-Christian
Glad the video was helpful! Don't let any of your Christian friends and family get you down because of your beliefs. Your beliefs and doubts are valid.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Thanks
Psalm 22
There is no shame in believing in something different, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you was my son i would still love you and pray for you. I wish you all the best in life. I believe that life is hard enough with faith, without faith life is even harder, i know because i used to be a sceptic myself. My family members do not believe in God, i am the only one that truly believes.
Just remember that faith is individual, what you are going to say at judgement is that your family members were christian. You are going to go on your past experiences, and think its enough to impress Jesus. What matters is dying a true believer and not just believing at one point.
I left the church and never looked backed -FREEDOM
Ur walking onto the road of hell. You can still turn back
@@KenmpachiiNo. You are on your way to hell.
You can leave the church and still be Christian you can even leave the religion but stay with Jesus
i am going through this right now. all of my close people are Christians and i fear i am going to lose them or get judged by them. it's hard to open up about it.
Best wishes to you, Olivia. I deconverted about 5 yrs ago after being a Christian for over 40 years. Happier now, guilt-free now, and I never cared for ppl as much as I do now, when I was a Christian. You're welcome to hit me up if you want to talk.
I totally get it. So scary. I'm still partially in the closet. I've been surprised though, by the people who still accept me. Just remember if they reject you for your believes they never really loved you for you, and there is a huge would out there with people who WILL love you. Best of luck to you.
I know I’m 1 month late but if I were you I wouldn’t tell them why give up your friends if you don’t have to
First rule about deconversion, try to expand you circle of friends to people out of religion, so that you can gradually leave without any emotional commitment. Christianity is designed for you to be emotionally dependent on your Christian circle. Its all psychological manipulation.
how are you doing?
CONGRATS! It took me 5 DECADES of uncertainty and struggling with my fears from intense brainwashing and indoctrination to finally admit openly that I didn’t believe in a God. That my doubts, questions and unbelief were valid. Your choice to come forward publicly will help others and hopefully encourage them to do the same.
And future generations 😎
Me too❤
For philosophical reasons like yours, I too became a born-again atheist after some 20 years of being a Sunday School teacher, lay preacher and deacon.
@@stchew49 born again atheist ? Have you any clue what born agin is ?
@@mrafard Obviously these people do not understand what born again means, neither are they born again. To be born again is an eternal spiritual regeneration which cannot be reversed. In fact anyone that genuinely is born again would never have any true natural desire to leave the faith as far as I know. Going to a church building on Sunday in your Sunday best and sticking a bunch of money in a jar for some crooked, fake state licensed fool who insists on being addressed as "Pastor" has no basis in scripture. The only people that leave Christianity are those that never actually were Christians. Most of those were church attendees not Christians!
Wake up time folks, the devil is working overtime to deceive.
"Except ye repent ye shall all likewise perish" Luke 3:13 KJV
God's judgment is coming, Jesus warned about deception like this video in the days before the false, imposter Christ takes control of the planet.
It is sad a religion that teaches only God can judge has followers that will judge you if you don’t agree with them. Strength to you, brother. I am an ordained minister who has lost my faith. Now I see the truth. Peace
What? When did Christianity say that only God can judge? The final judgment is up to God, but it doesn't mean that we cannot make our own judgements. Are you sure you're an ordained minister? Someone with such a high position should know better than to make such a blunder.
@@baldwinthefourth4098I think somewhere in Revelation it says that in the end many will fall away from the faith of Jesus Christ.This video I think shows that :( That makes me sad.
church is full of flawed people. iono why people act like Christians are God. God is God. not humans. it's simple. but here you are now judging every church goer lol
@@Finn-b1lOH NOO MAN😰😰. but also, before Jesus comes back. The gospel will be proclaimed to all the nations so that's some hope. And earlier today I saw people preaching the gospel and I almost teared up when I was walking to the shops. I was so happy and I still am. There's hope in this world.
Good 4 u man! its a tough journey to get out! Glad u made it!
Thank you so much!! It was definitely a tough journey.
No ur wrong dumb ass
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Brother, have you ever read the Quran?
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@@LogicStandsBeforeGod it isn't anything better
I used to be hardcore Christian but my curiosity to know more led me to see how inaccurate and contradicting the bible and Christian faith is. I'm now just a deist with gratitude.
@@Apollogetics it is not true, see the video I pasted in the comment below.
@@Apollogetics absolutely no. Grab a bible , pen and paper click the link I posted . Watch, write the verses mentioned in the video and compare and deduce. From there you can decide whether the bible is legit. That's all that needs to be said.
@@man-yp1gb can you link your video? I've been through most of the comments at this point but haven't come across it yet
Yeah, seems the more study people do, the more inaccurate and contradicting people find it to be.
My brother's friend is in that boat. There are no contradictions but different insights. Remember that it says in the word that a person killed Saul (Book of 2 Samuel) and told David and it also says somewhere else (Book of 1 Samuel )that Saul killed himself. What happened was Saul tried to kill himself but would not die, so a person killed Saul and went to King David with his crown and confessed he killed Saul. David had the man who killed Saul, killed and David then lamented over Saul.
The Bible says that there will be a falling away. This proves that God's Word is always true. The Bible says - Trust no man. I will trust God, not this dude.
Believer: "Look at how many people believe in my ridiculous mythology. It must be true."
Also believer: "Look at how many people are leaving my ridiculous mythology. It must be true."
You say that as if we care.
That’s your belief though which you cannot demonstrate the validity of, you “feel” it is truth; but feelings don’t make things true. To you you beliefs though, usually it’s people who are insecure of their beliefs are have deep rooted fear mongering effecting them, who feel the need to say things like “we will pray for you.” Guess what, Islam also says there will be a falling in the future… guess Islam is true then not you.
No one gives a ish what the “buy bull” says.
OMG...Finally a video that describes my sentiments exactly. Thank you 🙏🏽
I’m a teenager and i decided officially that I’m not Christian around last year summer and even with all of my points, experiences in the church and the people of the church and them neglect of my mental health (saying I should just pray), all I’ve been told since then is that I’m going to hell, that I’m going down a demonic path, that my lack of belief is why I’ve have my mental illnesses etc. And that reaction is one of the biggest reasons as to why I don’t associate with Christianity- their constant need to condemn.
Meerkat SK5 well if a guy who basically detonated his whole life to Christ. Planning on being a pasture, went to college to study the Bible can’t prove it , I don’t think you can
I do not say just pray but take action too.
Proud of you. Going trough the same, its not that easy in the beginning man...
Thank you so much for this video. I know it takes courage to finally say out loud that you are no longer a christian. I left Christianity 2 years ago and I'm living my best life. But I sometimes feel like "But what if it's true and It's me who didn't understand it?". I still don't want to get back to religion. I love the life I'm living and watching your video reminded me of why I left religion at the first place. The thing you mentioned on no. 4 got me the most. How can God allow genocide and taking other people's wives and taking their properties? That's insane!
You're still faith. Lmao
I left Christianity behind me eight months ago. I left it because it just stopped making sense to me. That was best the decision I have ever made.
@@j.jmilan551 It only appears that way in the flesh bc the enemy got to your mind..they have many deceptions to pull people away from the truth and light of Jesus..
Thanks so much for your honesty. For me it was the list of "Do's and Don'ts" that made me feel inadequate and further away from God. Finally I decided to leave church, not saying everyone should, but I needed to be uninfluenced and sort myself out.
What I found is that religion says "Fix yourself and God/we will accept you" while the Gospel is supposed to be "Come just as you are and I will give you righteousness/(okayness) as a gift". Religion says "You have to work hard to stay forgiven and right" while the true Gospel is supposed to be: "With a single sacrifice I have made you perfectly accepted and irreversibly forgiven forever". Religion says "God is in love with a future version of you" while the Gospel of Grace is supposed to be: "God loves you as you are right now unconditionally and is NEVER GOING TO CHANGE". This reveals a bit of what I found. Please see my journey as I left the church in this link for more: ruclips.net/video/WHGJZRMIA08/видео.html
Appreciate it.
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Funny thing, the genocide in the OT was all Jews. A completely different religion. Of course Christians don't see it that way.
For the "what-ifs?", I realized a long time ago that if the Christian God was real, and sin is so serious, why would he be obligated to save you JUST BECAUSE YOU ASK HIM TO? This is really just an attempt to manipulate God. A loving God would look at our hearts and values, not our doctrine.
I’m currently at the same process. I’m depressed and very scared to tell anyone that I’m no longer a christian. My family, my girlfriend and friends will probably just abandon me and I’m gonna have to deal with this identity crisis on my own. Thank you for speaking out though. It gives me a bit of direction and something to think about.
How's are you doing
@@jesuslovesyouandiloveyouto7627 Well I’ve told my gf and she didn’t leave me (yet at least). My family still doesn’t know. My depression has gotten better actually, I’ve been able to sleep better and have less toxic thoughts.
@@mikkoruuska2018 I'm glad you are having less toxic thoughts! and i know this is gonna sound so werid but i am here for you! even though i don't know you! I just wanna say that I'm thankful and grateful for you! You are loved by JESUS he has always loved you. He cares about you and always has. And he will always be there for you. I love you! JESUS loves you more !
@@jesuslovesyouandiloveyouto7627 Yeah thanks I suppose. Right now I feel very peaceful and I don’t think I can be a christian anymore. People like you are great tho!
@@mikkoruuska2018 I'm glad you feel peaceful!! and aww thank you
Ex Christian myself. The same people that drove me away from the church are the same ones that stayed. If there’s a Heaven and it’s filled with even half the people I’ve met in this life that claimed Christianity, then hell is the place for me. At least in Hell the ones in charge are likely open and honest about their hypocrisy, arrogance and cruelty.
THIS 👏👏👏👏👏👏
WOWW... plz dnt talk like that. Hell is a real place.
Have a relationship with Jesus.
Believe the gospel
He loves you and died for you on the cross.
Eternal life is the greatest gift from God which no amount of Money can buy.
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@@tamiwatchesstuff no its not. Hell is a state of mind true love wouldnt condition your eternity
You don't know what you're saying. These bad people you met, if they end up in Heaven, will be there in a perfected state and they will not have these flaws you remember.
Meanwhile Hell is eternal destruction.
For the record, neither am I man, no shame in it. Lot of good points to discuss and consider, sounds like you are doing what YOU want, not what your peers want 💯
Thanks for the comment, Dakota. Yeah, I just want to be open and honest about my beliefs and where I stand. I hope it creates discussions and makes people think about what they believe.
Skeptically Skeptical too many people never bother to ask why, that’s the best part of life!
I like your explanation and thinking.
Its good to be free, i believe in the freedom to discover things. We should include God, always. Doing what YOU want is a problem because the bible says if we are not following Christ and living for him, we are not worthy of him. He only saves those that give their lives for him. God appreciates people that love and follow Jesus. The bible also says that.
Its good to do what you want but its more important to do what God wants, because what God wants is really what we would want.
Am glad that am not alone. Being a Christian for long and then one day waking up and realising you don't believe in what you thought was real was terrifying. I thought I had a brain tumor, but I don't regret deconstructing. Just to clarify ,deconstructing doesnt mean that you are an abomination to the society. It doesn't mean that you loose your moral values. Am still whom I was in terms of values and morals, but the Idea of a God doesn't include in my portfolio
THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR EXPERIENCE.
I applaud your intellect. You will do more good in the world now that you have shed the mysteries and dogma
oh you unknowingly give into the strategies of the demonic realms upon humanity..
Thanks for the courage in questioning and sharing. We need to value rationality and empathy, not easily abused faith and unfounded dogma.
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That part.
For the MESSAGE of the CROSS is FOOLISHNESS to those who are PERISHING and SPIRITUALLY DEAD, but to us who are being SAVED it is the POWER of GOD.
1 Corinthians 1:18
@Skydaddy Myth-Busters God is a Father protecting his family, yes brutal to his enemies, yet giving them opportunity to repent. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Rejecting him because the bible says unpleasant things or christians act like this and that, or science says this - is all red herrings and besides the point, Jesus said I Am that I Am. He is either there or not.
Convenient verse eh?
Jesus loves you
He will never leave or forsake you
Salvation is about relationship with Jesus
You have to focus on your relationship with Jesus and not what people do or say. People disappointed Jesus but He still loved them. God bless you.
LOL :-D
Amen!
@ chikita evans :)
100 correct, this young man is missing the point of a direct relationship with Christ not based on emotional feelings of other Christians..
This man never mentioned Jesus when the Bible is based on him.
Good for you. It took me until I was 47 to finally kick the habit. It’s mythology. There’s nothing wrong with it if it’s your thing, but it has always been mythology and people for thousands of years have had their gods. And they come and go. Gods of today are no different. I feel much better and I hope you do too!! I look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Anna M. What you pointed out for sure. The fact that the god of the Bible is downright cruel. Friends and family telling me that I have to take everything literally or I’m not a true Christian...like the ark story, for example. Apologists getting caught in lie after lie as far as the science goes. If it’s true, why misquote the science? Why misrepresent the evidence? In short, creationist conmen. No evidence for the captivity or the exodus. Borrowed stories from Sumerian/Zoroastrian traditions. Talking snakes and donkeys. The fact that having belief seems to have zero effect on how good of a person you are (see jerry Falwell jr). So many things and I just stepped back from it and took a fresh look and it all just became absurd. It looked a lot like mythology. There ya go. We could talk about it all day, I suppose, but that’s a few things.
Anna M. You’re welcome. I have degrees in biology and geology so the science denialism really sticks in my craw 😀. So you read a book written by goat herders and have the audacity to insinuate that I wasted my life? F you. 😂😂😂
Your basis for believing in God had no foundation. Its a shame. I am only 33, but i have my foundation, its the teachings of Jesus. The persona is good but true foundation is based on the teaching, and doing certain things for spiritual growth.
@@2fast2block glad I don’t have to get triggered when someone doesn’t share my same mythology. Lol science is good like that. It doesn’t have feelings.
@@2fast2block the HONEST answer is we don’t know. But trying to come up with answers is the reason the mythology and religion exist in the first place. Many people are afraid of not knowing.
I was in church my whole childhood but was never a Christian. It was such a strange thing seeing through the BS but not being able to point it out. The persecution is palpable. Damn martyrs.
When I was short of my 4th birthday, my Christian father told me about Santa Claus. When I asserted that there could be no such thing, he beat me down like a sailor in a bar fight. His Christian mother then told him to throw me out of the house, because those inside the cult cannot associate with unbelievers. You can imagine how I feel about Christians. I have since read their book through in the original languages; Santa Claus isn't in there anywhere...
your name is caleb. live up your biblical name and stop being a soyboy democrat jeez
Great exposition.. ! I am in this very process of deconstructing all this mental prison of religion
I feel you. I've been there and this is HARD. Be still and know that you are....free!🤣😎
how's your day going
@@jesuslovesyouandiloveyouto7627 save it man...😎
@@charity6372 what do you mean? did i do anything? i was just asking how your day way, if i said anything please lmk(let me know)
@@jesuslovesyouandiloveyouto7627 I think he thought you would try to convert him by quoting Bible quotes.
Over the last two years, I've become pagan. I haven't come out of the broom closet yet because I don't want to deal with the judgment/undermining of my decision you described at the beginning of the video.
Hey! how are you doing
same
what does "pagan" even mean? There's a plethora of pagan religions out there.
@@2fast2block Doesn't the "good book" teach you to be loving?
@@2fast2block @2fast2block This has some holes in it.
Scientifically we can only look back as far as moments before the big bang. Before that science doesn't do anything for us as there are no observations to work with.
"If there was something there, it must fit the evidence of what we know"
We can't assume that the properties of the universe apply to whatever process, or lack there of, created the universe. This is a composition fallacy. The observations we have are all of the universe. When talking about the process or entity that created the universe, the properties the universe has are not relevant. Within the universe energy can not be created or destroyed, this doesn't mean the process / entity that created the universe (provided there was a process / creator) would work the same way.
Why would the "rules of the universe" apply to processes / things that are not the universe, necessarily?
Whatever the answer to why something exists, rather than nothing, the answer is likely going to be some combination of incredibly odd, counter intuitive, complicated, surprising, maybe seemingly impossible, unknowable.
The idea of a universe springing from non existence seems ridiculous. The idea of a universe cycling between states infinitely seems ridiculous. The idea of a an all powerful infinite being seems ridiculous. Every one of these explanations involves concepts for which we have never found an analogue in reality. The answer might be something beyond these 3 that we simply have not been able to conceptualise yet, and might never be able to conceptualise.
Adding an all powerful being does not solve the issue of why anything exist, we now just wonder why the god exists. It doesn't get past the fact we need to deal with some kind of infinite as the god, I would assume, is believed the exist infinitely. If the god has not existed infinitely then we get the same issue of how the god could begin existing from non existence. These are the same problems as if we don't suggest a god.
A few of our observations of the universe are so far unbroken. The basis of logic, identity, non contradiction and excluded middle are examples. All of these are concluded because without exception we observe the universe functioning this way. But once again, given that these are observations of the universe, not of a process / entity that created it, we can't tell if even this would hold external / prior / separate from the universe.
True also of cause and effect. We observe that this is how the universe functions. But it doesn't follow that the process / entity that created the universe itself works this way.
To argue that the answers we can think of seem ridiculous so we can conclude another answer, especially when this answer also seems ridiculous, is an argument from ignorance.
For now at least, possibly for good (though hopefully not) we just don't actually have any real idea or evidence to help us demonstrate why a universe exists. We know there was an incredibly small dense point that began to expand very rapidly. We don't know if that point always existed, was created by a process, was created by an entity, was just a different phase in part of a cyclical process, literally sprang into existence from non existence or something else.
The only thing so far that science has ruled out, and even this is tentative, is the idea of an unchanging universe that stays in pretty much the same fixed state. indefinitely.
Science fiction, religions and so on that go beyond this are speculation. They are based on many things, fantasy, tradition, drug trips, social cohesion, a need for answers, human curiosity, cognitive biases, need for closure, indoctrination, actual historical events and so on. But one of the things they are not based on when it comes to questions of cause, is direct observation. People have religious experiences but different people have different experiences, and under different sects, and different religions. How would we tell which experiences are accurate and which are delusional? Given that many religions are mutually exclusive we know that most believers think that most believers of other religions are deluded, deceived, wrong, lying, mistaken. It's possible that they are right, but that this is also true of their own belief.
Science doesn't provided support for a god, it doesn't rule a god out either.
I grew up in an atheist family, in a highly religious culture, and I only got exposed to religion as an adult dealing with mental health issues and I failed to find answers elsewhere. At some point I did fall into it, but realized that it would 100% make my issues even worse, and even be a symptom. Right now I am trying to stay away from it because to look at it in a critical manner, I know very few people who have kept their sane minds as religious people, their mind becomes consumed by it. And even the assumption that bible is the word of God, that is already really problematic to me. If people who wrote it down were human..idk, just it being so self-contradicting and ambiguous and open to different interpretations already doesnt sit right with me. And also, it is part of middle eastern culture and issues of the time, its fighting other peoples war
I am catholic but as a scientist inhsve a real problem with the bible church creationist theory and that first man Adam and the world and universe os 6000 years old when its been dated to actually billions of years old and ancient human bones and fossils are dated to be much older. Not to mention what the Nag hammedi texts say
Saying you are no longer religious, you are leaving a support system the church, fellowship nights, couples groups, church outings, picnics etc. So, that can be very lonely, since church is social. This man, studied and committed himself to learning. Very brave to move the way he did.
By the small leap of faith in Jesus you find meaning and belonging, immediate goods, but later a war on all evidence based reality that denies your comfort and, for some reason intrinsic, a war on democracy.
i've never felt so alone and judged while going to church. it does not feel like a community to me
My biggest reason is that Jesus taught love and forgiveness and even for the enemy said to love our enemy. But God on the other hand will send you to hell if you just don't believe in Him.......does not compute.....
Yes. It doesn't quite make sense how a loving god could send so many innocent people to be tortured for eternity.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Still I sought to know who is the real God and I found my answer. I found out who and what God is by reading Walter Russell. I loved so much his experience with encountering God that I wanted to share his words with others who I knew would love it as well. So I typed up many of his books as pdf files for sharing. His books and also many other mystics of old, whose books gave me answers. Here is one of them that I also read as I have made playlist of my reading most of the books I typed up. I send them as pdf files to people who ask me for them. Here is one that I read. ruclips.net/video/lOO6kR69PXM/видео.html
@Grace Butler, God doesn't send anyone to go to hell, you choose to go to and because he is a loving God, he respects your decision. Do you think its the judge Who send people to jail? People choose to.
@@jimmyjames6712 You make no sense at all saying that. The real God loses no part of God's self. We all make it back to Source.
first of all jesus and god are the same thing just in different forms i like to think of it as water as god the main in control if it all ice as jesus the solid form (human). Both the same thing but just in different forms. I am not criticizing you in any way just replying with my beliefs😊
Answer me this my friend , if , by God' definition of evil , He were to wipe out ALL evil at 00:00 tonight , would any of us still be breathing at 00:01 ? Or are you saying He should just wipe out the really bad evil , but leave the lesser evil by our definition ? Evil , my friend , is still on the earth , because we are...for now
@@katiedotson704 thanks Katie , I'm sorry my post confused you .
Is 45:7 is referencing Gods' omnipotence . Evil was a choice Satan chose , much the same as Adam and Eve .
Also , I don't recall mentioning the flood , however , if you choose to disagree with scripture and hundreds of atheist and Christian scientists that do believe a world wide flood happened , I respect your right to choose .
why create evil to begin with? because the bible isnt the work of a god but flawed evil men.
I am not sure I believe that people can be good or evil. They are people, and people do both good and bad things (which isn't always something easy to define, sometimes, as I think actions can have both intentions and consequences which are neither wholly good or wholly evil). If God didn't want there to be evil, shouldn't He, in His omniscience knowing that humans would do evil things, have chosen to not make imperfect beings? I cannot think of any way in which He could not be ultimately responsible for evil, really. If He is omniscient and omnipotent then why would He choose to make us, knowing that we would hurt each other and Him, and that some of us could never be saved because we wouldn't trust in Him? Unless you are of the opinion that ultimately all people are saved and made clean, which I know is a position held by some Christians. I know you have said Satan/Adam and Eve chose sin, but if God is the creator of everything, as it says in the Bible, and knew what the result of that would be, as He must have by virtue of being omniscient, then surely He must ultimately be responsible for evil existing? I am currently not sure what I believe, but I really can't answer these questions satisfactorily
@@duckydash13 thanks Alfie . I don't know whether you have children of your own or not , so I'll ask you this question; Do you think your parents , knowing that you would not be perfect , regret the day you were born ? Would you also say they would've preferred you had no other choice but to choose to love them and do only good ?
It’s good to be a free thinker I’m free
I agree!
I think for myself but I still have a strong belief in God or some higher power I called it just spirituality and meditation
According to the bible, Jesus sets people free from spiritual bondage. We are only free when we decide to leave constant sinning behind and embrace God. Do you want to be free to make bad choices, without God and morals we will always make bad choices.
Are you free though. Freedom is to not conform to this world but be free from sinning which leads to physical and spiritual death. What are you free from that you cannot be free from as a believer. What you want to lust after men, or have lots of sex. God says get married and i believe that, because its best to have love and partnership with the person having sex with. I just gave the best example, to the best form of "freedom"
@@joshuamartinpryce8424 bro Shutup. We don't want to FUCKING Kill people. Omg stop
I am currently reading The Bible for the first time. I have had a lot of the same questions that you have had. It has caused me to doubt God’s Word. However, I don’t doubt God; because I know God is real. I have experienced Him so many times in my life. I can’t explain The Bible, but I also can’t explain the unexplainable presence of God.
Amen 👍
No they are all in your head. Human brain is capable of crazy spiritual experiences/hallucinations. You can create similar experiences with other religions. And experiences/feelings shouldn’t be the arbiter of truth.
I found it the hardway.
Ex christian for 10 years.
Do not judge people
@@BearFruit90 just let him be the more I have grown up as an atheist I feel like you should just let them believe what they want.
Maybe your experience of god legitimate. But that doesn't mean the bible is true in every way. Seperate the experience from what other people tell you it means.......
You and me practically went down the same road to atheism. I was a pastor and have a Masters in Christian Ministry.
I was so confident in the Bible and Jesus that it didn't scare me to study what atheist used to disprove the Bible and God. I wanted to be the best apologist. Well, after studying the Genome project and Richard Dawkins, I was bought on that evolution was true. However, for years I found reasonable ways to fit evolution into the framework of the Bible.
Then the problem of evil kept me up at night. This lead me to study open theism, which can easily be explained by the scriptures. Open theism was taught by Greg Boyd and is the view that God doesn't know all things especially in the future because the future was open or in other words the future was not set. If the future was known by God then free will could not be true. So in short, God wouldn't intervene with stopping evil because if he did that then that person may not choose salvation at some point, but if he left them in their suffering then they may turn to him. Also, another way to look at it is if you save someone from their suffering then they may not be used to lead someone else to Christ. In other words, what if their pain leads someone else to Christ, but if God saved them from that pain then someone may lose their opportunity to be encouraged to follow Christ. It seemed possible if God didn't know the future. There are places in the Old Testament where it showed God didn't know everything.
Then I saw the historical errors in the scriptures, but listened to Pete Enns who is a Christian who teaches that the Bible is not a perfect book, but the meaning is what is important. Pretty much what he said was that the authors are pointing to a truth, but sometimes they got historical events wrong and some interpreted certain events differently, but in the end, they were right about Jesus' message.
Then I tried to understand the genocide and sexist behavior that God said was ok and demanded. Pete Enns taught that the New Testament is inspired, but the Old Testament isn't. He said the Old Testament has historical facts, but the moral values were not from God. Enns said that the Old Testament was like a immature view of God and Jesus came to enlighten us. However, Jesus taught that everything in the Old Testament is truth and inspired.
The moral contradictions between the Old Testament and New was the final straw that convinced me to have the confidence to leave the faith.
The Old Testament has God approving genocide towards even babies and children, being abusive to women by making women marry their rapists, pedophilia as seen in Numbers 31:17-18, abortion as seen in Numbers 5 and Psalms 137, and a very brutal view of slavery as seen in Exodus 21.
Jesus said everything in the Old Testament is inspired and true. However, he contradicts the morals of the Old Testament. Also, Jesus says in Matthew 5 where it talks about not making oaths, he says vaguely that the Old Testament God is evil. Jesus says don't make oaths because of their evil nature, but the Old Testament God allowed and encouraged oaths. So which is it?
I've been a confident atheist for 3 years. There have been struggles that should have brought me back to Christianity, but I've stayed firm in atheism peacefully.
I'm not a mean atheist who is a jerk about their views. I still respect Christians as long as they are truly good people. I don't feel it's my job to tell how people should view how to grieve and how to feel hope. If God and religion makes you truly a good person then that's good. If a lack of God makes you good then that's good also. I've found peace with the view of no afterlife. It beats knowing billions are burning in hell for eternity. I have family members who are not Christians who would go to hell according to the Bible. It is more comforting that they no longer exist after death than to be tortured in hell.
When I believed in God, I had issues with him because I saw so much corruption in church leadership. The Bible said God disciplines his children. I never saw evidence of that. I was slandered and hurt by many Christian's in church leadership. Since God was a personal God, it felt very personal when he let me get hurt and run overed, but allowed corrupt people succeed in his name. Now I know that life isn't really personal. If I get cancer or someone I love dies in a horrible way it's not personal because no God is in charge. I've had a blessed life truly so it is easy for me to be fine in my atheism.
I feel that I'm more Christian than most Christians. I'm so Christian that I forsake Jesus because he approves of the Old Testament, which approves of genocide, sexism, abortion, slavery, ect.
I feel that the meaning of life is to learn to be happy with yourself in a healthy way and to help others do that. Best way to do this is by not having regrets. I don't know if my philosophy really helps those with real deep guilt. But, my views help me. Just don't be a shitty person.
The Old Testament does not approve of the things you listed. What the Old Testament does do is tell a story with all the sordid details, which makes the point that all people are sinners in need of a Savior.
@Brother Tony Amen! Gives me hope knowing that God's grace is sufficient to save my soul based on what my Savior has done.
You are excellent at this. Please make more videos like this. The same format. I totally kept looking at the time left on this video, wishing that it would be longer.
Im super serious man. Make more!!! Please.
Thanks, friend. I appreciate comments like this more than you know. It really motivates me to make more videos knowing that people enjoy the content. Hope you stick around for future videos!!
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 Yeah man. You definitely have what it takes to become really big on RUclips. I shared your video with somebody and they agreed. KEEP IT UP!!!
@@marlinperry4250 thanks so much for the love and sharing the video ❤️❤️ hope to see you two stick around and share your thoughts on videos. If you have any video ideas you'd like to see just let me know!!
Please do not make more.
I hear you on your views on prayer. :) I'm not trying to be that person that "tries to convince people to be a Christian in the comments." I'm just saying, that to me, prayer is beautiful and a blessing. It's comforting to me when others say they pray for me, so I'm truly sorry that you felt the way you did. :) P.S. You're loved no matter what.
@Emily Kell A prayer is nothing more than a good thought. And it feels both nice and comforting to know that people are thinking of us and wants us well. It's an act that is nice in itself, even if there is not a "God" answering it. P.S. Sending you warm thoughts and love!
I might know who you are referring to. lol I believe the same as you.
You're literally being that person
@Cage Stage Calvinist here's a message from me to you there's no such thing as a hell or heaven
@@southernpride2003 i think she’s merely trying to say that when someone says they’re “praying for someone” that the intention is good, and loving. (instead of inherently passive aggressive) not once did she debate any of his issues with christian theology, hope this helped.
There's only one way that the bible makes 100% sense to me and that's to realize that it was completely a product of the time it was written in. Sadly this means it doesnt transcend time its authority and applicability
If it was a product of its time explain to me how so many prophecies have come true, were they just lucky guesses. Of course there not.
@@kushdygroweruk2024 what prophecies came true? All the prophecies in the bible that I've heard people say came true were extremely vague and likely to happen. Not exactly fulfilling
@@A.B.3103 unfortunately that is the spirtit of the anti-christ undermining gods glory.
Isaiha 7:14-“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Here the prophet Isaiah prophecies the birth of Jesus christ, before he was born, furthermore Mary and Isaiah never met eachother, further proving gods work. You see many prophecies have come true, alp you have to do is look at the evidence with an open heart, and repent. God bless
@@kushdygroweruk2024 I've looked at all of the "evidence" you should look up the definition of evidence. And if you still think the same your lying yo yourself
@@A.B.3103 you haven’t looked at all the evidence, you’re too ignorant to do that. Furthermore the bible is made up of thousands of ancient manuscripts, the bible is a historical book. If you bothered yourself to read the bible you would realise that for example, Jesus waswitnessed rising from the dead by: cephas, then to the twelve(search them up if you don’t know) then more than 500 brethren saw jesus after the resurrection. Don’t be ignorant this is fact.
I'm going through this right now. Thanks for making this video.
Could you make a video on the morality issue with the concept of hell , I’ve been a non Christian for three years now but I still have that underlying fear that is drilled into you at a young age and it gives me anxiety even though I now have different beliefs
I can look into making a video about hell. If it makes you feel any better, the modern idea of hell wasn't a concept until Christianity. The Old Testament concept of the afterlife is Sheol, which is just a sleeping place for dead people essentially. In other words, hell was just made up later on.
Skeptically Skeptical yes please, ive looked into the original concept, I’m a big linguist and the original description of hell in Biblical Hebrew was “ Gehenna “ which WAS a REAL place it was a valley that or “ pit” in Jerusalem, where they would burn garbage and the “ wicked “ and “possessed “ people ( epileptics) , I’m feeling better about it now but my anxiety was at an all time high about it when the covid started and my family and family friends ( all Christians) told me it was the rapture... illogical I know but they really still the fear into you , thanks again
There is no need for that, there is tons of videos about personal perspectives on hell. If it exists it is bad to know. At the end of the day, what matters most is not coming to God because you are afraid but because you want him in your life and to have a partnership with God. Giving yourself to him and he gives you the support you need, and talks through his word.
@@joshuamartinpryce1237 yeah BUT the fear of the Lord is also the beginning of wisdom/understanding...
@@dylanheraid4611 Think about it this way: If there is a God and he has created you. Do you honestly think that he wants to torture you forever and ever?
I think hell was something that the church people invented a couple of hundred years b.c. Just to scare people and control them.
I hate the doctrine of hell. I really hate it. Its unbelievible that most christians believe in this sick stuff.
Their kind of God is worse then a tyrant or a dictator.
I was a Christian for 28yrs as a Catholic but never once encountered God, so I left for good. However, the only reason why I’m a Christian today is because Jesus with piercing blue eyes and a smirk on his face appeared in my dream and opened a door in which I entered. I was made whole and could not perceive one ounce of evil like cuss words or anything negative at all. It was pure goodness and Joy and I never wanted to leave that dream. I know he’s from God and not God as I learned from the home fellowship he lead me to and have since, encountered him on numerous occasions apart from everyone. But solely from that dream, I know he’s the messiah and have stopped questioning the Bible’s contents. I just know he’s all good from that encounter and wishes me well and I have gotten so much further in life because of my continual learning of his kingdom! As far as Evil, the rule he doesn’t cross is man’s freewill.
The human brain is capable of hallucinations.. That was all your imagination darling
I'm new to this. Your comments match my thoughts, especially about evil and power. Thank you
Evil is the devil, Good is God. It couldnt be more simple to understand.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
@@markduncan8227 wow......u are so far lost...................enjoy hell...............i pray for your soul......im sorry for you
A few years ago I met an active catholic priest, he was around 60 years old. After a few beers, he told me his whole life, he talked about the seminary, about half of all his colleagues were gay, and at the end of their studies, Most doubts about their decision, many became teachers of religion, he was ordained as a priest and is still responsible for 3 parishes today. He said he feels like an actor, but his job is not difficult, all roles repeat themselves again and again, baptism, , wedding and funeral. His parishioners have no idea that he has been an atheist for ages ... he said he was looking forward to his retirement.
and he doesn't fear one hell ... all just humbug
Gee-zuz! Though Anglicanism allows for non-belief in God.
Liar
@@sheinthecomments187
you are a believer so you have to believe me ... as you believe in your fictional god. i also know a german monk who lived in the monastery for years ... the more he read the bible, the more he became an atheist ..... my advice read all the bible, including the old testament and the books of moses ..
the greatest enemy of religion is science and education and these will also accelerate the decline ...
never forget, there are 1000 religions and you are also an atheist in 999
This is extremely interesting, I'd love to meet him. Thank you for sharing.
@@EzraB123
Unfortunately, I don't have his address, he was only here for his vacation, I met him on the beach for two days in a row, a beach lounger has confirmed to me that he has been here for a month for around 15 years. He also knew that he was works as a priest in his home country. at first i had doubts, he told me he lived in germany in lower bavaria and looks after 3 parishes there. he had studied in würzburg in the kilianeum ... i have no doubts about his statements ... if he is a liar then to his community sheep
I was once an atheist. Came from an atheist family grew up with atheist friends. Still all my friends are atheist. I used to laugh at people who still believed in a god. Know they laugh at me cause i am a christian
No one will laugh at you once you're in heaven.
Try to encourage people with what jesus taught when we try to go about christianity in our own way and don't educate why god did what he did and the evidence of the authentication of the bible we get confused people like this.
How have you been able to confirm this?
@@kaitlinmontgomery2750 He hasn’t
@@Worick_ I'm not really looking to confirm my own agenda. I want to know how everyone discovered their truth... what justifies them to believe in what they do. I'm interested in finding out Truth and not my own agenda. I believe Christianity is a load of crap but at the same time am willing to hear someone's story. Thus far no one in the Christian community has been able to provide ANY proof of validity to their beliefs; its embarrassing. "Because it's in the Bible" is NOT proof lmao.
honestly you’ve had some some great points but i just can’t let go of Jesus. my entire identity is based around him
Sounds good. Keep the faith.
Jesus is probably a safe bet compared to the rest of the Bible. 🤗 I still believe in Jesus. I just no longer allow myself to be manipulated by fear of exclusion from the "body of Christ". Jesus taught the exact opposite of that.
Keep the faith! Jesus loves you... keep that relationship with Him, even if you aren't a "Religious" person.
IMHO your life should be based around you not an abstract person.
So sad. I truly hope that one day you are able to break the shackles of religion and magical thinking. Best to you.
"I'll pray for you" is condescending and an insult.
Good talk! There are 4,200 religions, but MINE is the only true one.
Frankly, I think religions have done much more harm than good.
Right...until you, your husband, mother, father or any loved one is on their death bed clinging to life...then suddenly you have a change of attitude and also are the first in the doctor's office TRYING HARD not to die. What you scared of? Give up all your meds and vaccines if it does not matter what you believe. Just step out of time and leave it at that.
Hahahahahaha that some entry level atheism you spewing there....
@@sheinthecomments187 That is quite a thing. Stepping ''out of time'' is a strange place to be in your mind....I've done it...and am doing it....I decided to dismiss and disconnect from this present world scenario before it was too late for me. I ''stepped out of time''....before I was ......OUT OF TIME !!!!........js.........
Ardently Fair
I couldnt agree with you more. People acting on beliefs that can't be proved should worry us all. If it was any topic other than religion, they'd be called crazy. How can the topic even be debated when NOTHING is factual? Zero evidence to support a higher power. The best emotional argument wins. And people believe what they want and the best orator stand at the podium and wins the collection plate while a bunch of fools sit in the pews handing over their money because they are too scared to think rationally.
lmaoooo yeah right Ardently.
I HATE BEING FORCED TO BE A CHRISTIAN IT DOESNT RESONATE WITH ME IT IS SO OPPRESSIVE AND INAUTHENTIC I DONT LIKE GOSPEL MUSIC I AM TIRED OF FEARING GODS WRATH BECAUSE IM BEING ME. EVERYTHING IS PERCEIVED AS DEMONIC. LIKE WHAT. IM READY TO BE MY REAL SELF.
I feel you ❤
It’s just really refreshing to see people waking up and using logic to get through life rather than the copium that is religion.
When one is a believer the credibility of belief is so obvious but after rejecting belief its incredibility is so obvious.
This.
It can be difficult being a Christian…I’m a pastor going through something similar wrestling with my faith and I don’t know if I would necessarily leave my faith..but I do understand you because it is hard and the world can be cruel…
I will pray for you that God will do miracle in your life.
I started my walk out of Christianity in 2012. And what it boils down too is all the murder and blood sacrifice that I never could wrap my head around sitting in the Pew and it is my opinion that it's scripted prophecy and mind control 😏I was very involved in my church,it was a journey you can't really tell ppl about they have too find your own path.I believe the kingdom of God is within our creator that is love would never demand blood or have a special group of ppl. Journey well.
Good man! You're not alone. Real friends will accept you for who you are and what you think and not try to "save" you. I wish you well in your journey.
Why callest him thou good? There is none good but God. Since he NEVER CAME TO THE truth, he might have a chance.
@@sheinthecomments187 I sense you're trying to tell us something, but I have no idea what that might be. "Callest him thou good?" I think you'd convey more clarity if you'd drop the hifalutin King Jamesian verbiage. Your next sentence makes no sense at all. Just who "NEVER CAME TO THE TRUTH"?
Okay, mea maxima culpa. I figured out "callest him thou good" translation: "You're calling him good? "Thou callest him good?" would have been clearer. If this is straight from the old KJV, that's all the more reason not to rely on it for clarity, not to mention truth or accuracy.
@@MrRezillo First, KJV is the closest anyone will get to the original WITHOUT being a millionaire and BID on older versions. The Open is also a good second. ANY OTHER VERSION is edited by satan himself and WATERED DOWN so that no one feels any urgency, conviction or see the power of the scripture. BECAUSE satan authorized NEV, NKJV, NES, NET, SRV, NSRT which has made GOD equal to man, thus now they have you believing through such editions that JESUS had a baby some where and Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. 😏
@@sheinthecomments187 Here's a good explanation of just what the KJV is, how and why it came about:
ruclips.net/video/ehnEZtqj2Mo/видео.html
"satan authorized NEV, NKJV, NES, NET, SRV, NSRT..." I don't know what all those acronyms are, but no matter. Can you please provide the documentation for your statement that satan authorized them? Thank you.
I'm really thinking about it. Because I have been having scary thoughts about god and I'm scared if I sin I'm going to hell and it is bad for my health I can't sleep I'm not happy and overall I feel down. So for a day I wasn't a christian and had the time of my life no bad thoughts having a great day. What do you think I should do?
I think you should take it slow, God is not expecting you to be totally perfect and sinless. I think you should keep a repentant heart and a pure mind. It comes in parts over time, through prayer and fasting.
Hey I also left Christianity and became an atheist because I studied the Bible and theology, I just want to say you’re not the only one who left because of intellectual honesty and that I can totally empathize with the frustration of having people discount your actual reasons for leaving and pretend it’s all emotional or something. Keep being you and speaking openly about this stuff so people can get over the “atheists are just angry and lashing out” stereotype of why we apostacize and/or criticize religion.
Religion is not a relationship. A relationship with Jesus count.
atheism is the definition of a beta male.
Leaving Christianity was the best decision in my life. I was very into it my whole life, and my life was a misery. I left to be atheist, but ended up being agnostic. 10 years forward and I met real, living, working, loving God. And now I am Christian, Catholic, a believer, not a religious person. I believe I needed to leave my wrong ideas about Christianity and God, and meet real God and real Jesus and build a real relationship with my Creator. The best that could happen to me. What your environment or religion tells you about God doesn't matter, you have to experience a real relationship with God to say that you really are a Christian. Once you did that, you will never leave, because it's the life like nothing else can give you. God bless 🙏😇
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I lost my faith in the Bible when I started learning of Hinduisms idea of God which makes a lot more sense than Christianity about the nature of God. The truth is, which you touch on, we don't know. Anyone who says they "know" for whatever reason by whatever source is lying to themselves. It is okay to Believe something, but saying you know for a fact is just tolerated insanity.
So you believe in 100s of man made Gods. That is what they are man made. The christian Triune God only makes sense to spiritual people. Hindus do not have a book of grace, or personality or simplistic complexity as the bible God has.
"That led me to realise that Genesis is not literal". On the one hand your seminary taught you Hebrew and Old Testament theology but it didn't teach you the different ways to read the genres of the Old Testament
It did though. None of my professors were young earth creationists. They all taught evolution as true and Genesis as allegorical.
@@skepticallyskeptical6495 So they had no problem reconciling evolution and Genesis, but you did? To be fair I've now watched the whole video and this is just one of the reasons. I just don't think it is a particularly good one. So many deconstructions I've heard over the last 15 years or so that I have been involved in apologetics seem to be people deconstructing from some form of fundamentalism (and that includes you). This always sounds like throwing the baby out of with the bathwater.
Hey man, I respect your opinion, and I'm clearly stumbling on videos like this because I'm searching for people who have doubts or have left the faith (which implies I'm having some doubts of my own) but I'm only 8 minutes in, and I cringed when your first point was evolution, and I MEGA cringed when your second point was the problem of evil. I'm not going to write a huge comment attempting to challenge your views on those points right now, but I will just leave you with this. I think if you became a better studied philosopher, you could very easily overcome the problem of evil, and you could likely overcome evolution as well (the question being macro evolution not micro evolution when dealing with genesis).
I believe Darwinism does not have answers for intelligent design and irreducible complexity, and it is surface knowledge that Darwinism can not explain the origins of life itself (abiogenesis being merely a hypothesis, which does not hold up under unbiased scrutiny). Obviously the Darwinist question wold be a bit more controversial than the problem of evil. In terms of "how can evil and God coexist?" I think it's a simple matter of challenge being allowed to exist. We are here to learn and experience, and part of that experience is conflict/opposition/evil. There can be no light without dark.
I livestream almost every day, and would be happy to have a discussion with you in my chat. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as hostile or trying to get you in a "gotcha!" kind of scenario. I'm having some specific questions about my own faith, but I'm just letting you know that I stopped your video after you appealed to Darwinism and the problem of evil, because as an experienced theologian and philospher myself I don't find those points difficult or intellectually stimulating. Take it or leave it, I myself am likely leaving Catholicism for a more open spiritual loosy goosy kind of Christianity that is less about damnation and more about unconditional love and acceptance, because I don't think I should be acting like I know who deserves eternal punishment and who doesn't when I question my own faith.
Sorry for the ramble, God bless....err take care lol. Peace.
Please finish the video before rambling
Looking forward to more videos!!
Thanks so much!
Good job. You left for sound reasons, unlike the assumptions that Christians often make, of apostates such as ourselves, that we were hurt, depressed, etc. You thought it through and were no longer convinced.
Yes, it's sometimes quite frustrating when people make that assumption. I never had a bad church experience, and still very much love and spend time with my Christian friends. I left Christianity for purely logical reasons.
These are sound reasons, if the person, does not work on spiritual growth and does not read the bible often. The things is we can read the bible like stories or we can read the bible as a book of faith. Reading the bible like stories does nothing, but reading the bible as a book of faith is totally different. Its all about context.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
Hello. I appreciate your video. I have had a similar deconstruction. However. I was curious if you ran across the story of Francis Collins and if you had any response. Thanks.
When I came out as a gay man at the ripe old age of 40, 22 years ago, these are many questions that I wrestled with, and still do. I had grown up in and was very involved in the evangelical Christian church, and knew I needed to leave. “Home ain’t home anymore,” to borrow a line from an early 70s Olivia Newton-John tune. (I am that old.)
However, I seem to be “wired” to rest in a power that is higher than me, not unlike that which is understood in AA. Fortunately, after a bit of wandering, I found myself in the Episcopal Church in which reason is not abandoned. Science is respected. There’s no young earth litmus test. “Salvation” is not about missing out on Hell, but rather seeking justice in the here and now and letting the “by and by” take care of itself. No literal interpretation of scripture. Doubt is honored. Questions are encouraged, not for the purpose of persuasion, but rather is transparent as we grapple with living in a way that makes it clear that we understand there is a spark of the Divine in all of us.
I share this just to make the point that not all Christians believe the things that you and I, once did. Yet, some of us still enjoying “dancing” into the mystery without thinking that faith means one has to disengage the ability to reason and one is “saved” by the completion of a checklist.
Peace
I wish I would have figured this out when I was your age. After reading the bible in 97/98, I began to doubt its authenticity, but do to a fear of hell and other people telling me,"that I was close to blasphemy." I kept believing. Great video young man.
Thanks so much! I'm glad you let go of that fear of hell and blasphemy. Can't blasphemy or be sent to hell if there is no god.
Do you still ever think he’ll could be real. I’m 14 and am leaning towards atheism but I’m just so scared of hell.
@@jumpy5064 so what about if hell is real but the bible and christianity is not the true path to avoid it ?
Mr no one i’m doing much better know i don’t think about hell nearly as much nor does it scare me anymore, but thanks
@@jumpy5064 Hello, Mr./Ms. Jumpy. Welcome.This is a pretty heavy subject for a young person. For most of us, the beginnings of doubt and deconversion didn't play out until we were much older. It's much to your credit that you Question at your age. My only advice(offered in all humility) is to avoid fanatics on both sides. I have found that if a person uses hurtful language; threats, slurs and questioning your intelligence they are not interested in YOUR growth; only in their power. I wish you the very best of luck on your journey. It can be difficult at times, but, it's very worth while. Peace and love to you, my young friend.
Stay safe Be well
If I'm wrong, I lose nothing. But if you're mistaken...YIKES!!
We have all SINNED and fallen short of the glory of God. The wages of SIN is DEATH. God is providing a 'GET OUT OF JAIL FREE' card. Accept His gift of salvation!
DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!
DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!
Please take these words seriously. Or not. It's up to you. It's ONLY the fate of your ETERNAL SOUL.
...I set before you LIFE AND DEATH...CHOOSE LIFE.
Jeremiah 30:19
Thanks for sharing your story!
Thanks for the comment!
@Joel Som haha thanks mr fridge
Thank you for sharing. Love how honestly you are speaking
So you're blaming on God what the devil tempts men to do and then men themselves choose to do. Gotcha. Men "choose" to do evil because they have a freewill. Evil isn't a "created" thing. It's the absence of God's righteousness. So trying to put this into a "first cause" scenario doesn't work. In other words, God didn't "create" evil. Men of their own volition choose to commit it. They could just as easily choose to do good, but you have no problem with that. So I guess you'd rather be created as a robot who has no choice and no freewill? And since you're not a robot you hate God or rather refuse (by choice) to believe in Him? Okay.
I work in drug rehab and recovery. I think faith is very important in overcoming problems that seem impossible to overcome. The problem is that faith is so often used to manipulate and oppress people. My solution is to say this: Why say that God created the Universe when you can just say that God is the Universe. I would also like to say that most people are content holding the view of God they got from their parents and held as a child. If your view of the world has changed, maybe you should examine your view of God as well.
It seems like you just believed what people told you when you were younger and never had the opportunity to form your own beliefs. I know that feeling. Keeping pursuing your truth, but I truly hope the truth pursues you .
@Deborah Hearne what a gracious and loving response. You must be a Christian.
9:33 you mean “the epicurean paradox”?
I’m sad to read all of these hateful comments from “Christians”, but I’m not surprised. That’s just kind of how they are toward people who leave the church.
I’m glad you were able to see the truth. Welcome to a life of real freedom. I’ve found that my atheist friends are MUCH more accepting and compassionate than my Christian friends. It’s sad. It true
Yeh, it breaks my heart to see how so called "christians" act and interact with non believers. However, judging others seems the order of the day of most people in general, most people are all about themselves. It seems pride is the culprit. Don't let religious people give you the idea that true believers act like that. Hypocrites everywhere, especially when they get online.
Let me say as a follower of Christ with an agnostic husband I see both sides and I respect others beliefs as a follower of Christ we are not to judge others decisions not Al Christians are the same like me I’m not condemning anyone it’s not my job as a Christian if we had all the answers there would be no faith no point in believing that’s the point of god he doesn’t condemn the world he’s here to save the world we have free will god says seek and you will find the Bible is inspired by god through humans he was fully god and fully man Jesus died on the cross so that we will be saved from sin all you have to do is believe and invite him into your life it’s a personal choice as a follower of Christ myself if you have questions pray to god be real with god it’s not a religion it’s a relationship with god the churches in our time now in my opinion do not teach the Bible that’s the issue they teach very man centered and I suggest you study the Bible like this man in his video has done I just think he should soften his heart his heart and mind are not open enough to understand the Bible just reading it and taking it all literal is wrong Jesus talked in parabolas remember once I was blind now I see this guy doesn’t see he is blind he doesn’t really know god from my perspective if you know god and really know him like his your friend you will understand the point of faith is not knowing like I said previously my husband is agnostic he was atheist and now is agnostic I pray for his salvation all the time and day by day he’s realizing god is the only answer questioning your beliefs means gods closer than you think so I hope one day those who are atheist soften their hearts and search god for themselves
The Bible was clearly written by primitive and fearful men who invented an angry and petulant god , because the world around them seemed baffling and scary . People who say the Bible stories follow any dicernable logic have only skimmed the book .
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
(2 Peter 2:21)
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
(Habakkuk 2:3-4)
You dont have to go to church just follow Jesus Christ read his word and belive on him let the holy spirit lead you on the path of righteousness.
You can pray everywhere you want Jesus is not a religion he is the way the truth and the life.
Pls find comfort in him.
Exceptional video, i can relate as these are the same reasons i left christianity after 4 years of faith.
@@2fast2block What are you on about? I don't make any claims about the state of our world or how it was created. all of the bυllshit your spewing doesn't affect me or my beliefs
I never know “theory” means it’s been proven over and over again. I thought Theory means it’s a Theory.
That part was hilarious
Yes. You are right. It's a guess, a hypothesis a crack at providing some form of explanation.
*I just Googled it because I thought the same as you...unfortunately, scientists have finally managed to change the meaning!*
_"In everyday use, the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess without supporting evidence. But for scientists, a theory has nearly the opposite meaning. A theory is a well-substantiated explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can incorporate laws, hypotheses and facts."_
*Just another lie to confuse people. Christians know better!*
@@brendatajik6150 Ok so are you blaiming your lack of academic science education? How do you learn new stuff and grow if all new info is "lies"?
just because the popcultural usage of the word "Theory" is different than the scientific usage? What about something being so good its "bad" or something so awesome, its "sick"? What about when your medical tests come back "negative", does that mean its bad?
Why are you using fuzzy pop cultural definitions of words as the standard?
It has been well established for hundreds of years that the scientific definition of theory is different than popcultures usage.
A scientific theory explains a wide range of seemingly unrelated phenomenon (Gravity theory/Germ theory).
If you want to overturn a theory, you need to explain an even wider range of (seemingly) unrelated phenomena and also have more precise Predictive Powers of future observations of (seemingly) unrelated phenomena. An example would be Gravity Theory and its Predicitive Powers explaining everything (seemingly) unrelated to each other; planet formations, supernova, black holes, orbits, earth quakes, the dynamical motions of geo physical forces, landslides, etc etc etc.
Germ Theory and its Predicitive Powers, discovered at a time when noone realized causes of diseases and illness were caused by invisible germs that has universal predicitive qualities.
Germ Theory (and its 4 principles) were able to explain a wide range of (seemingly) unrelated phenomenon, and its able to predict the future.
@@jdewey100 nice answer, when theory is applied in science it's actually a high accolade not when we use 'theory' in ordinary
conversation.
Fascinating - as a person who was raised in catholicism and went to catholic schools we did not read the bible. I knew by age 13 that this church was not good for me and I stopped being religious . Every time I was curious and felt like it would be worthwhile to read the bible I just couldn't. It just made me angry and disgusted me. I am 69 and so impressed at the number of young ex christians who are actually extremely well studied and thoughtful speaking with such strength and revealing this ridiculous (to me) text. Having lived in the deep south of the US, I saw the sickness that was a result of these really closed christian communities and that the constant attention to the bible was/is making people mad (as in stark raving mad )and blocking their exposure to anything that contradicted their "faith" and this was so revealing. THANKS - YOU GUYS ARE THE NEW LEADERS!
I left Christianity and over a few months of leaving the faith my wife left me lol. I totally can relate to your story.
She probably checked out before you left the church bro
@@biabia4462 Ty for replying. A lot has happened over the last year. My wife and I reconciled our marriage. And I received my faith back. We are both working towards being received in the Catholic Church. God used my new interest at that time, salsa dancing, to reconnect us. When we got back together I was still reading my new age material but God opened my heart and mind to the Catholic Church in a way I’ve never seen before. My wife also was being drawn in and we allowed God grace to work in us. I am so very thankful to God our father for restoring me. Satan really tried to divorce us but greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world! God bless you! May the peace of Christ be with you!
I am saddened by this "testimony". One cannot come to faith in Christ via philosophical arguments but by relationship. An experience cannot be rocked or shaken whereas a belief can be undermined by removing one's foundations.
My friend, an experience can most certainly be rocked or shaken. That relationship, passionate and pure as it is in the moment, is not as rock-solid as you or I had come to believe.
Don't let philosophy become an enemy. We should see God abounding in its corridors, yet, looking in, fog shrouds those halls, and no God responds when we call into it, only echoes of the past. Be careful as you walk those halls that you don't get lost in those echoes.
Its Ringtailed Lemurs.
It's wild. I was raised deeply in church. Had a conversion experience. Later, I took an initial drink in the waters of doubt, and probing. That surface level inquiry (and other things) made me lose faith. A crisis later drove me back to the cross. But I still had all those doubts. So I probed deeply. I'm reasonably certain all the "problems" he discovered I did as well. It all sounds very familiar. But ultimately it all made it make more sense to me. Not less.
thank you for sharing, I relate to this. I recently deconverted from christianity
how's ur day going?
When you seek Him with your whole HEART (not your mind; why do you think it's called faith?), you will find Him.
borrow me your life savings and see how strong your faith is.
You will seek him and find him when you seek him with all your heart.
Amen
I seeked him for a long time and still wound up an Athiest. God created me, knows me, knows my past, present and future. So he would know the exact thing that would make me belive in him. So why hasnt he revealed this to me ? And how could it be my fault for not beliving ?
Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. John 1:14
If you have the ability to think, then you also have the ability to believe. This is the way that faith actually works when stripping ALL theological arguments away from the discussion. Faith is used when you start to believe in something, whether it's in your own will to choose for yourself or to believe in a higher power. I remember briefly discussing this issue in a therapy session a while back, and honestly, it baffles me as to how I could have been this confused about the subject of faith alone. Faith is something that coincides with the act of believing, and if you don't believe in anything or refrain from having any sort of belief system, then that's on you alone. It's not for me to say whether that choice is right or wrong because I get that morality is subjective in some cases; no two minds think the same. I try my best to be respectful of all people regardless of whether they're a Christian or not, but for me at least, some of the questions I used to ask myself just aren't worth the headaches now. Just living is the goal for me, and in the most authentic way possible.
Yes this is why I won’t come out about being confused about my religion
And that's okay. Your beliefs, doubts, and feelings are valid. Share and open up when you're ready, and find people who will support you.
You don’t have to. I still play along. Just know you are not alone and don’t pass it to your kids 😀
@@howdoyouknow1218 That is a bad idea, say if Jesus is real and God wants to help. Because of your restricted mindset, you will let the kids suffer. It tells me that if your kids found a way to start believing in Jesus. You would reject them.I know that because that is my sister.
@@joshuamartinpryce1237 I would never reject my kids..... for any reason. That’s what religious people do. Also...all religion is mythology. Period. Snakes and donkeys don’t talk. No flood. No Adam and Eve. No Tower of Babel. No Jonah. No captivity. No exodus. Stories that were told in the region, adapted from earlier stories (not even original stories!). and then finally written down. Mythology. I have no fear of being dead or heaven or hell. Jesus isn’t “coming soon”. That’s been said for 2000 years. He’s a no show. With that said, if you aren’t hurting anybody, you are free to believe what you want, especially if it makes you a good person. Go for it.
Christianity is the ONLY religion in the world that can be proven....yes proven.....study the prophecies....they will show you the authority of the Bible and why you can believe what it says.....try it before you give up....God exists....we came from somewhere.
I think being a follower of Christ is hard. The hardest but definitely the most important decision I've ever made in my life. Actually, I admire you for being honest about what and how you feel. Not a lot of Christians can actually be honest about their internal battles. Can I ask you to do something? I want you to remember the moment you turned to God. I want you to remember the exact moment you felt hopeless and thought that there was no other way but GOD. I want you to seek Him and don't stop until you find Him. It's not always gonna be rainbows and unicorns. There gonna be days when you don't feel like talking to Him, but that's exactly the moment you have to talk to Him. I believe this is exactly what the Bible had told us about fading away, and the Bible also mentioned what to do when you feel like you're fading. God wants you to remember the exact moment you felt His glory and presence. God wants us to come back to those moments when you know that if it wasn't because of Him, you won't be able to get out of that certain situation. I really, really hope you'll find Him again.
Get outta here with your outdated delusions. Omg
Or you could just be happy that he’s happy with the choices he’s made, and not pretend like your religion is something he needs.
@@PotatoesAreNeat the point of life is not to be happy. I can be happy just by killing people doesn't mean its right. Only god has the truth not you not any man but he can gift it to you. Ask and u shall receive. Choose your own false like everybodyelse road and u gona die
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@@vas6583 jeez! You should seek help. Killing people doesn’t make me happy. Why do you think it makes you happy? Do you talk to the man in the sky? Does he tell you to kill people?
It's funny how sometimes those studying study themselves out of Christianity. Anyone who starts researching comes to the same verdict. As I tell my own people in vids as a deconvert. Some deconvert fully to atheism and some like myself are unspecified theists now. But all of us had the same journey. We all had an inkling of a feeling, for me even when I was young, that we just didn't buy that a man rose from the dead. Then you start researching something besides your Pastor's sermon. And that is exactly what your church doesn't want you to do. Because once you start to see that there isn't the evidence the apologists state there is, once you realize their claims are not proof of anything but bad speculation, you won't be a Christian for much longer. Cheers, DCF
Thanks for sharing. I would agree with what you have shared. Many people are challenged when others go against the status quo. Most religious texts are contradictive.
Thanks for watching!! Yep, it just takes some serious scholarly studying, and a willingness to be open to change.
The bible has no contradictions, the disciples all saw the same things but they had different insights and perspectives. For example, the the two angels, and the one angel thing, when they went to the tomb of "dead" Jesus. Remember that one disciple went into the tomb and the other disciple was by the door he didnt go all the way inside, so they would of had different insights. I could go on, but the point is perspective and insight.
@joshuamartinpryce1237 😂😂😂🤣🤦♀️
Excellent insight young man
Thank you very much!!