@@paulcassidy8130 same here when i was going to College a few years back. Was going to Stansted Airport College (of which i was one of the very first cohorts) so safe to say the journey getting there and back was "fun", especially since i was getting the 6:36 train at East which got rammed as soon as it got to Ware
The sane, and fastest route, to do this is St Margaret's to Vauxhall, Victoria Line to Tottenham Hale, then Tottenham Hale to St Margaret's. I do this route regularly - well, starting at Hertford East where I now live back to St Margaret's (London) where I spent my childhood or to Twickenham for the rugby. 90 minutes maximum.
The fastest route is the Victoria line from Vauxhall to Tottenham Hale. The cheapest route is the Overground from Richmond to Hackney. My route is District line Richmond to Barons Court, Piccadilly line to Bounds Green, Great Northern Bowes Park to Hertford North, Greater Anglia from Hertford East.
A very interesting video - I looking forward to Beletchly from upper to lower level station train ride when they complete that section of west east track work
Probably the easiest way is St. Margaret's to Richmond, London Overground to Hackney Central (where there is a walkway to Hackney Downs), then the Greater Anglia service to Hertford East
Well done, Nick. I hadn't ever considered the two St Margarets' - interesting how things can stare you in the face yet, you still don't notice them, isn't it? You could always try your hand at act'on and have an Act On(e) Day if you feel like it sometime - quickest way around North Acton, East Acton, West Acton, Acton Central, Acton Main Line & Acton Town, for instance...
St Margarets gets a really raw deal for frequency. In 1950 it had 6tph, before covid it had 4 & now it has 2 with 2 additional in the peaks. Very few stations in London are served this infrequently, and the only stations in zone 4 with less service are the two Chiltern Railways Sudbury stations. My dad lives in Amyand Park (you would've walked past his house) & the neighbourhood is sick of how SWR have handled their station. When arriving from Waterloo, having to go upstairs to the ticket office & walk down the hill because there is no exit on Amyand Park Road adds 4 minutes to everyone's commute home in the evening & means that to be anywhere near the exit, they have to cram themselves into the back, which is always the busiest part of the train. A few years back, the Lib Dem candidate for the council made a manifesto pledge to get Network Rail to create a new entrance to platform 3 opposite the Baptist chapel (which in Germany, France, Norway, the Czech Republic or any other sensible country, this station would have). SWR reacted by installing an electric gate that in principle, passengers requiring step-free access could use, to take away that argument from us. However, it doesn't have an Oyster reader, so disabled passengers cannot pay by Oyster or contactless because the only readers are in the ticket office, which does not have step-free access. Furthermore, the gate has been out of order for repairs more than it has actually worked (which nobody notices because it's not as if and "all of the lifts at St Margarets are currently out of service" announcement would fit in this case). For good measure, they also installed ticket barriers & downgraded the station to an unstaffed halt, with the barriers being manned by a minimum-wage agency worker who changes from week to week. This also meant that the waiting room at the station was permanently locked for several years. Basically, they turned our station into a Northern station.
As another St Ms local, you have hit the nail on the head, i used to get the train every day from st margarets into london, knew the station manager very well and always had wonderful conversation and then they of course decided to fuck it all up. It's genuinely ridiculous how the station has been treated, I was so annoyed when they put the barriers in instead of investing in something like lifts because the station is so inaccessible. The two train's an hour reduction has genuinely been so ridiculous, also because they're never quite the same times (it used to be on the hour and then every fifteen minutes from then and now i always have to double check when the train it). The only good thing is that twickenham is still relatively close and i often find that the extra 15 minute walk is sometimes just easier.
You’ve completely forgotten the raw deal we have gotten off-peak on the Northern City Line services out of Moorgate. In the off-peak, all the local stations between Alexandra Palace and Potters Bar and between Alexandra Palace and Crews Hill (and beyond) also only have 2tph.
If you play Hellfire 3, you'll be familiar with how going from 1 terminal to another is 20 minutes. In all other cases, if you walk between stations, it actually takes less time than the estimate (because the player character in Hellfire 3 is 18 years old) but in London it often takes slightly longer because the 1980s tube often gets delayed.
When things don't go to plan but end up working out better. That's a win! Couple of suggestions for P2P for one day. Charing Cross (London) to Charing Cross (Glasgow), and Queen's Park (London) to Queen's Park (Glasgow)
Point to point of the east and north Hertfords would be cool! I pove in hertford and recently started trainee driver course for GA. So its great to see you onboard!
@christiangraham1 c2c to Fenchurch Street then like Circle or Distric lines from tower Hill to Monument then walk over London Bridge to the station and on Southeastern
Trying to work out why you wakked from Bank rather than just jumped on the Central, but I guess the interchange is probably a bit extra time than just running at street level.
It's a valid OSI and 1916 people did it in a 4 week period in March '23 (when the most recent public data is) - which, while a small number as OSIs go, is still 68 people per day.
@@christiangraham1 That's some long interchanges - about 300m in Bank station, and about 500m in Moorgate/Liverpool Street. From the W&C to Liverpool Street NR is 800m on the street, plus 100m inside Bank station. You've saved 100m of walking by taking the Northern line. It's not a time saver!
Excellent video. A reminder for the future, that when you do your point to point from Gainsborough Central to Gainsborough Lea Road, that the service up the Brigg Line only runs once a day Monday to Friday, don't miss it 😂
Brilliant video Nick, it's annoying when trains skip stations, I wanted to get off at Acocks green in Birmingham once and the train just skipped it because the train was running late. I miss the Class 508's and I like how some of the Class 455's have coaches from 508's.
I think there is a few St. Margaret’s in the UK but I think some that don’t have a railway station apart from the 2 stations of the same name that you have visited.
I think I prefer the German system (and other countries?) that adds a suffix to stations with the same name to prevent confusion. Though in this case they could call the second one Stanstead St Margarets (or Stanstead Bridge or even Stanstead Abbots).
Most people would either get the Victoria Line from Vauxhall to Tottenham Hale or do Waterloo & City Line then this thing called the Central Line from Bank to Liverpool Street.
I would usually get the Central Line from Bank to Liverpool Street. But if it's faster to walk or even run, then I need to switch to that method next time.
Do a journey from Ashford (Middlesex, NOT Surrey) to Ashford (Kent)! . And you could do a journey from Rainham (Kent) to Rainham (Essex). Or you could do Whitchurch (Hampshire) to Whitchurch (Shropshire)!
I would probably do Jubilee or Southeastern to London Bridge, Northern to Moorgate, and walk to the other end of the Elizabeth line platform for Liverpool St.
I think SWR started running 2-4 of them a day in January on the Windsor line but they stopped running them in late Spring. The one Nick saw was probably one of the many "test" ones SWR runs.
What about Whitchurch Hampshire ,Whitchurch Shropshire and Whitchurch Cardiff there are more Whitchurch’s but I think no stations. Ashford Surrey to Ashford Kent and if you do the London Underground there is Redbridge to Redbridge Surrey
Now bus it from st margrets hertfordshire to st margrets London (I only know how to get from st margrets Hertfordshire to London Bridge by bus if it helps and can be done in 3 buses for grand total of £3.75
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Considering it was mentioned in the video i would suggest doing a pointless journey episode from Hertford East to Hertford North
I do this all too often when my Hertford East train to London is cancelled at the last minute and I have to hot foot it across town to Hertford North!
@@paulcassidy8130 same here when i was going to College a few years back. Was going to Stansted Airport College (of which i was one of the very first cohorts) so safe to say the journey getting there and back was "fun", especially since i was getting the 6:36 train at East which got rammed as soon as it got to Ware
How about: Mill Hill (London) - Mills Hill (Greater Manchester) - Mill Hill (Blackburn)
Yes
The sane, and fastest route, to do this is St Margaret's to Vauxhall, Victoria Line to Tottenham Hale, then Tottenham Hale to St Margaret's.
I do this route regularly - well, starting at Hertford East where I now live back to St Margaret's (London) where I spent my childhood or to Twickenham for the rugby. 90 minutes maximum.
Do Clapham Junction to Clapham in North Yorkshire please.
How about Clapham South, Clapham Common, Clapham North, Clapham High Street, Clapham Junction, and then Clapham in Norrh Yorkshire.
@@walkingtheboogie That’s a Point to Point to Point to Point to Point to Point to Point
@christiangraham1 No surely it's a point to point via via via via. 😁
Moor Park to reading by public transport
Always good when you can get a result when you have to 'think on the hoof' due to delays and/or cancellations. Well Done!
The fastest route is the Victoria line from Vauxhall to Tottenham Hale.
The cheapest route is the Overground from Richmond to Hackney.
My route is District line Richmond to Barons Court, Piccadilly line to Bounds Green, Great Northern Bowes Park to Hertford North, Greater Anglia from Hertford East.
Waterloo to Bank by The Drain and then walk from there to Liverpool Street is the quickest option. Never done it any other way. Good video.
A very interesting video - I looking forward to Beletchly from upper to lower level station train ride when they complete that section of west east track work
3:22 truly the peak off the class 508 being passed on right there, that damn noise
Finally I Found a Video That Talks about The Two Stations, Thank You, Nick.
Amazing video as always. Your journeys and videos are always so dynamic, you keep us in the loop with all your ideas and changes of plan
Probably the easiest way is St. Margaret's to Richmond, London Overground to Hackney Central (where there is a walkway to Hackney Downs), then the Greater Anglia service to Hertford East
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Well done, Nick. I hadn't ever considered the two St Margarets' - interesting how things can stare you in the face yet, you still don't notice them, isn't it? You could always try your hand at act'on and have an Act On(e) Day if you feel like it sometime - quickest way around North Acton, East Acton, West Acton, Acton Central, Acton Main Line & Acton Town, for instance...
Southend Victoria to Southend Central would be a great video!
St Margarets gets a really raw deal for frequency. In 1950 it had 6tph, before covid it had 4 & now it has 2 with 2 additional in the peaks. Very few stations in London are served this infrequently, and the only stations in zone 4 with less service are the two Chiltern Railways Sudbury stations.
My dad lives in Amyand Park (you would've walked past his house) & the neighbourhood is sick of how SWR have handled their station. When arriving from Waterloo, having to go upstairs to the ticket office & walk down the hill because there is no exit on Amyand Park Road adds 4 minutes to everyone's commute home in the evening & means that to be anywhere near the exit, they have to cram themselves into the back, which is always the busiest part of the train. A few years back, the Lib Dem candidate for the council made a manifesto pledge to get Network Rail to create a new entrance to platform 3 opposite the Baptist chapel (which in Germany, France, Norway, the Czech Republic or any other sensible country, this station would have). SWR reacted by installing an electric gate that in principle, passengers requiring step-free access could use, to take away that argument from us. However, it doesn't have an Oyster reader, so disabled passengers cannot pay by Oyster or contactless because the only readers are in the ticket office, which does not have step-free access. Furthermore, the gate has been out of order for repairs more than it has actually worked (which nobody notices because it's not as if and "all of the lifts at St Margarets are currently out of service" announcement would fit in this case). For good measure, they also installed ticket barriers & downgraded the station to an unstaffed halt, with the barriers being manned by a minimum-wage agency worker who changes from week to week. This also meant that the waiting room at the station was permanently locked for several years.
Basically, they turned our station into a Northern station.
As another St Ms local, you have hit the nail on the head, i used to get the train every day from st margarets into london, knew the station manager very well and always had wonderful conversation and then they of course decided to fuck it all up. It's genuinely ridiculous how the station has been treated, I was so annoyed when they put the barriers in instead of investing in something like lifts because the station is so inaccessible. The two train's an hour reduction has genuinely been so ridiculous, also because they're never quite the same times (it used to be on the hour and then every fifteen minutes from then and now i always have to double check when the train it). The only good thing is that twickenham is still relatively close and i often find that the extra 15 minute walk is sometimes just easier.
You’ve completely forgotten the raw deal we have gotten off-peak on the Northern City Line services out of Moorgate. In the off-peak, all the local stations between Alexandra Palace and Potters Bar and between Alexandra Palace and Crews Hill (and beyond) also only have 2tph.
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8:29 Looks like a Elizabeth line and overground
If you play Hellfire 3, you'll be familiar with how going from 1 terminal to another is 20 minutes.
In all other cases, if you walk between stations, it actually takes less time than the estimate (because the player character in Hellfire 3 is 18 years old) but in London it often takes slightly longer because the 1980s tube often gets delayed.
Thanks!
Thank youuu :)
You could do Worcester Park to Worcestershire Parkway.
When things don't go to plan but end up working out better. That's a win!
Couple of suggestions for P2P for one day. Charing Cross (London) to Charing Cross (Glasgow), and Queen's Park (London) to Queen's Park (Glasgow)
Point to point of the east and north Hertfords would be cool! I pove in hertford and recently started trainee driver course for GA. So its great to see you onboard!
Maidstone East to either Maidstone Barracks or West would be a great video!
Try visiting every station in the country that is a St station, that should keep you busy for a while.
Thought about doing Rainham Essex to Rainham Kent as point to point
Swim for it
Yes, obviously use C2C, that is the only operator that goes there
@christiangraham1 c2c to Fenchurch Street then like Circle or Distric lines from tower Hill to Monument then walk over London Bridge to the station and on Southeastern
Southeastern don’t go from London Bridge to Rainham use Thameslink instead
you could do a Point-to-Point from Portsmouth Arms (in Devon) to Portsmouth Harbour (in Portsmouth)
Trying to work out why you wakked from Bank rather than just jumped on the Central, but I guess the interchange is probably a bit extra time than just running at street level.
It's a valid OSI and 1916 people did it in a 4 week period in March '23 (when the most recent public data is) - which, while a small number as OSIs go, is still 68 people per day.
I’d take the Northern Line to Moorgate then walk on the Elizabeth Line platforms
@@christiangraham1 That's some long interchanges - about 300m in Bank station, and about 500m in Moorgate/Liverpool Street. From the W&C to Liverpool Street NR is 800m on the street, plus 100m inside Bank station.
You've saved 100m of walking by taking the Northern line. It's not a time saver!
Primarily due to being overly paranoid about connection times adding up, and also because it was slightly more interesting
@@NickBadley ah fair enough, nice little journey. Love the whole point to point series.
Can you go from Southend Central to Southend Victoria? And also Hayes to Harlington via Hayes and Harlington
Pointless Journey Idea: Seven Sisters To South Tottenham And Point to Point: Seven Kings To Seven Sisters
Excellent video.
A reminder for the future, that when you do your point to point from Gainsborough Central to Gainsborough Lea Road, that the service up the Brigg Line only runs once a day Monday to Friday, don't miss it 😂
These point to points are great. Keep up the good work.
You should do Crowch Hill in London to Chathill in Northumberland!
Brilliant video Nick, it's annoying when trains skip stations, I wanted to get off at Acocks green in Birmingham once and the train just skipped it because the train was running late. I miss the Class 508's and I like how some of the Class 455's have coaches from 508's.
I absolutely smiled seeing this i never see much on my local line so it was very cool
You gotta do at some point Queen’s Park (London) to Queen’s Park (Toronto)
We can't do that but he can do Glasglow
@@20Jameshall_baby Glasgow*
@@christiangraham1 Can do Paisley Gilmour St to Paisley Canal when he's there!
I think there is a few St. Margaret’s in the UK but I think some that don’t have a railway station apart from the 2 stations of the same name that you have visited.
Point to point idea:
Go from any of the stations in Hertford (Hertfordshire) to Hartford (Cheshire)
I would go via Stratord and find a Hertford one from there.
I did the Hertford East Liverpool Street commute from 2001 to 2007. WAGN were horrendous.
WAGN never ran that line; they do the Hertford North to Moorgate line.
@paulcassidy8130 they did. They ran the lines to Hertford East and Cambridge, from Liverpool Street.
I think I prefer the German system (and other countries?) that adds a suffix to stations with the same name to prevent confusion. Though in this case they could call the second one Stanstead St Margarets (or Stanstead Bridge or even Stanstead Abbots).
Stansted St Margaret's might add some confusion for Stansted Airport customers tbf. At least Stansted mountfitchet is nearby to it
Most people would either get the Victoria Line from Vauxhall to Tottenham Hale or do Waterloo & City Line then this thing called the Central Line from Bank to Liverpool Street.
I would take the Northern Line to Moorgate, then wallk to Liverpool Street on the Elizabeth Line platforms
@@christiangraham1 Not a direct train because of the different Northern Line branches.
Point to Point Barrow on Soar in Leicestershire to Barrow in Furness in Cumbria would be interesting
Whitchurch to pangbourne
Plaistow to Sundridge park
Do West Sutton to Sutton common.
Be warned it is quite a long journey.
Point to Point (to Point!) idea:
How about Whitchurch (Nr. Cardiff), to Whitchurch (Hants), to Whitchurch (Shropshire)?
All by rail :)
Whitchurch (Oxon) has a rail service, but the station is called Pangbourne.
Looking forward to when Gillingham (Dorset) - Gillingham (Kent)
Or Ashford (Kent) - Ashford (Surrey)
you should do Gillingham Dorset to Gillingham Kent
On today's episode of Nick Badley, Time Traveller
one of my teachers went Sf Maragarets - Wimbledon on termely season tickets
I would usually get the Central Line from Bank to Liverpool Street. But if it's faster to walk or even run, then I need to switch to that method next time.
i read this title and just thought if the little Britain sketch "Margaret" "Margaret"
How about a point to point from Ashford International in Kent to Ashford (Surrey)
You should do Bangor (Gwynedd) to Bangor (Co. Down) sometime.
Do a journey from Ashford (Middlesex, NOT Surrey) to Ashford (Kent)! . And you could do a journey from Rainham (Kent) to Rainham (Essex). Or you could do Whitchurch (Hampshire) to Whitchurch (Shropshire)!
Kew Gardens (London) to Kew Gardens (New York), haha J/k, and I think Geoff Marshall has already done it.
Barnet to High Barnet would be nice
Nick, please try from Richmond (London) to Richmond (USA)
When are we going to see Hertford North to Hertford East?!
Have you done Ashford (Surrey) to Ashford (Kent)?
So what we learned today was, walking is faster than the train. Lol
Can i suggest Reedham (London) to Reedham (Norfolk) Love the series Nick😊
YESSS ITS FINALLY BEEN DONE
I would probably do Jubilee or Southeastern to London Bridge, Northern to Moorgate, and walk to the other end of the Elizabeth line platform for Liverpool St.
Isnt there a St Margaret near Southampton too.
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Laughs in 18 car Great Northern Empire Builder 😅 but also, yall have better than once a day service so you win some you loose some. 😢
701s are starting in the Shepperton line. They are already on the Windsor line.
I think SWR started running 2-4 of them a day in January on the Windsor line but they stopped running them in late Spring. The one Nick saw was probably one of the many "test" ones SWR runs.
@@TheTransportist I read that it was all day on the Windsor line.
I saw one at Hounslow
Oulton Broad North To South as a Pointless journey
Im yet to visit the london st Margarets from my local, st Margarets 😂
How about Stone (Staffs) to Stone Crossing as a point to point?
Always go to the 508 coach..... nah always go to the motor coach!!
For the ultimate point to point, why not travel from a particular named station in England to same named station in Australia.
What did you do with your massive departure board?
Can you do a vid on Cambridge south station when it opens pls
is it quicker to walk to liv street from bank or go up to the surface and then down to central line
Point to point idea: Liverpool street to Liverpool lime street
1:32 that was actually a 450!
EDIT:Nevermind it actually was a 701
Hey I recognise one of those trains in the thumbnail
0:52 meme according to my calculationpp
Do Northolt to Knockholt
How about Victoria to Victoria - London Victoria to Manchester Victoria (without using TfL services to cross London)
If you want a trek Charing Cross (Glasgow) to Charing Cross (London) and not using tubes
Please don’t give up doing more pointless station visits Nick. I’m really interested in what you are doing is amazing. 😁
Hi nick
wonder why they kept the same name for two stations?
Nice video nick
What about Whitchurch Hampshire ,Whitchurch Shropshire and Whitchurch Cardiff there are more Whitchurch’s but I think no stations. Ashford Surrey to Ashford Kent and if you do the London Underground there is Redbridge to Redbridge Surrey
Next do willesden junction high level to low level
oh cool new video
Please do Brentford to Brentwood.
I need to know if Riku was actually in ur vid a lot
Manchester Oxford Road to Oxford?
Yeah , I new video from my favourite youtube
Point to point wick to hackney wick
Cool
Best video ever
Is the point of a point to point that you do it all by train? Walking?
Now bus it from st margrets hertfordshire to st margrets London (I only know how to get from st margrets Hertfordshire to London Bridge by bus if it helps and can be done in 3 buses for grand total of £3.75
That was very funny you passing through the station fast. Definitely enjoyed the video Nick
nick do London Road (Brighton) to London Road (Guildford)