MOST MISUNDERSTOOD fiqh issue of PRAYER ? Shaykh 'Abullah al-'Ubaid
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Shaykh 'Abdullah ibn Salih al-'Ubayd discusses a hugely important concept about studying fiqh which many are unaware of and lays down some important principles in the study of fiqh. In this clip, he gives how a common example of how basic fiqh issues can be misunderstood.
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Shaykh 'Abdullah ibn Salih al-'Ubayd was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and graduated from Muhammad ibn Sa’ud Islamic University and received his PhD from San’a University in Yemen. He worked for the Ministry of Education in Saudi Arabia until his retirement.
The Shaykh studied with many scholars in Saudi Arabia, as well as having travelled extensively to many different lands to study with scholars the world over. The shaykh holds the shortest ijazah in all of the 10 qira’at of the Qur’an, and has ijazahs in literally hundreds of the works of the Salaf in all the various Islamic sciences. The shaykh studied in Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Morocco, Pakistan, India and many other countries.
The shaykh has studied under many scholars including:
Sh Abdul Aziz ibn Baz, Sh Abdullah ibn Humayd, Sh Muhammad ibn Uthaymin, Sh Abdullah ibn Aqeel, Sh Abdul Aziz ibn Marshad,
Sh Muhammad Israeel Nadwi, Sh Zaheeruddin Mubarakpuri, Sh Abdul Ghaffar Hassan, Sh Aziz Zubaydi and many more.
He currently has his own institute in Riyadh from where he is busy teaching and authoring. He has authored numerous works. The shaykh also holds lessons in Masjid al-Nabawi in Madinah.
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The more knowledge one gains, the more appreciative one is of differing opinions and discussions surrounding them.
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The matter is so simple and clear idk why these brothers are making it so complicated... Sunnah is sunnah if someone speaks politely and spreads weak narrations it's doesn't form any authority over it
@@ZaynElAbideen As for forcing I didn't force anybody till date Alhamdulillah... The rest is Allahu Aalam
@@ZaynElAbideen I'm blindingly following right may Allah deal with you for these terms which you have used for me
@@ZaynElAbideen it depends, the 4 mathhabs said teach the hadith for the opinions and follow based on what you know, Imam Malik didn't wash between his toes and when it was brought as a hadith he did, if other person has a hadith maybe it's iktilaf, if not then they can accept or reject. Muqaalids don't become scholars overnight either!
@@ZaynElAbideen I smiled when you quoted this athar... Umar was taught knocking 3x by a youth as he said I might of done business then (Bukhari 6254, Consent)... but you have a point, do students find the hadith, why or why not? Abu Yusef disagreed w/ Abi Hanifa alot, regards taqlid of authenticity, view : Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) as saying:
A bint who has been previously married (Thayyib) **has more right to her person** than her guardian. **And a virgin (in contrast obviously) should also be consulted (by her wali), and her silence implies her consent.**
- Sahih Muslim 1421, Nikah
جزاكم الله خيرا\
وإياكم
I am confused. What is he sayin.
This is treasure of confusion.
Deep knowledge is not for all
Read the Prophets Prayer described and other books of the Salafis on Salah.... clearly this shaykh is not providing the saheeh view. Yes, put your hands above the navel and never below. And putting it on the chest is the Sunnah....and make and female prayer is the same.
That's it bro ? Read the Prophets Prayer described. So basically your following Shaykh al-Albani which is not a problem but dont make out that that is the one only truth that we should all be following. Best you study some books of the classical scholars and before that study Arabic, Usool al-Fiqh and fiqh and then we can maybe have a decent conversation.
@@mohamedkareem7075 well if you are a reaserching student of Hadeeth, them do that....but most of us will rely upon scholars like Al Albani, and he provides evidences
@@mohamedkareem7075Yes, if you are a Talib Al ilm in the Usool.of ahadeeth, otherwise just go by my advice if you want
Shaykh al-Islam (رحمه الله) said: As for a person who knows the opinion of one scholar and his proof, but not the other scholar and his proofs, then he is from the generality of the muqallids. He isn’t from the scholars capable of evaluating and weighing-up [proofs].’
[Majmoo al-Fataawa (35/ 233)]
قال اشيخ الإسلام (رحمه الله) فَأَمَّا مَنْ لَمْ يَعْرِفْ إلَّا قَوْلَ عَالِمٍ وَاحِدٍ وَحُجَّتَهُ دُونَ قَوْلِ الْعَالِمِ الْآخَرِ وَحُجَّتِهِ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْ الْعَوَامِّ الْمُقَلِّدِينَ؛ لَا مِنْ الْعُلَمَاءِ الَّذِينَ يُرَجِّحُونَ وَيُزَيِّفُونَ
[مجموع فتاوى(٣٥/٢٣٣)]
I want to understand why you posted this, this is beneficial, but I'm not sure I understand the link between this comment and the video. Can you please explain?
Barakallahu fikum.
Simple when there is no difference between women prayer and men prayer I Don't why Mostly Arab keep there Hand on belly
Hadith is Fiqh there isnno fiqh without Hadith
Simple Answer Ala Sadrai on chest
Finish fiqh
@@ZaynElAbideen Na'am. Even Mujtahidun al-Mutlaq. They don't need a madh'hab to rely upon. They can weigh a proof. Whilst, knowing nothing about the proof.
Lol haha haha so sadly true
All four imam of Ahle Sunnah wal Ja'maah on haq.
Asalam Aleikum
Haqq has levels.
All 4 were generally on haqq in Aqida.
Some say Abi Hanifa errored a bit in Iman to irja and repented.
As for fiqh as the hadith says if an imam does ijtihad and gets it right he gets 2 rewards and if he errors he gets one reward.
Ibn Rajab says in his fathul Bari
واختلف القائلون بالوضع : هل يضعهما على صدره ، أو تحت سرته ، أو يخير بين الأمرين ؟ على ثلاثة أقوال ، هي ثلاث روايات عن أحمد .
وممن روي عنه أنه يضعهما تحت سرته : علي ، وأبو هريرة ، والنخعي ، وأبو مجلز ، وهو قول الثوري وأبي حنيفة ومالك وإسحاق .
وروي عن علي - أيضا - وعن سعيد بن جبير ، أنه يضعهما على صدره ، وهو قول الشافعي .
وقال أبو إسحاق المروزي من أصحابه : يضعهما تحت سرته .
وحكى ابن المنذر التخيير بينهما .
قال الترمذي في ( جامعه ) : رأى بعضهم أن يضعهما فوق سرته ، ورأى بعضهم أن يضعهما تحت سرته ، كل ذلك واسع عندهم .
Ya ALLAH
Make me and anyone i can pray for true muslims
Allahumma ameen
Guys copy this dua and share it with everyone
Jazakumullahu khairan
Ameen
@@abibane6514 read it again i changed it
Keep making these videos, don't stop you're doing something very beneficial for everyone.
🥴The hadith about on the chest by Wa ' il Ibn Hujr was in Ibn Hajr Al Asqalani's (May Allah have mercy upon them all) Baloogh Al Maram...reported as authentic.🤷🏿♂️🤔
Hadees number please brother.
@@syedmubashir9091 I saw hadith in it years ago. Please do your own investigation.🙏
People in the comments section don't know difference between aqeedah and fiqh. And it's a HUGE difference
People here are taking sides but i am rather happy that what i used think about millions of muslims (hanafis) in India that these people are so weird why do they have to follow daef hadeeths regarding placing the hands below the navel? Today i am surprised to know even placing the hands on the chest is also debated and this hadeeth is regarded daef by many except albani rahimullah and there are other reports which says folding hands is not required at all rather it should be placed at the sides without folding it.
I am happy to know that everyone is confused about thw other and yet thinks he is following the sunnah of our prophet s.a.w.
This way either one group is right or all the groups are wrong or all the groups are right because nobody has the clear evidence.
I would rather chose the stance that all the groups are right because their niyah is right and that is to follow the prophet s.a.w .
InshaAllah our rab would not hold us accountable for not intentionally leaving the sunnah and would excuse us if we made a mistake in understanding the correct way.
Narrated Abu Huraira:
It was forbidden to keep the hands on the hips during the prayer.
- Bukhari 1219, book of actions in salat.
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
Sa'id ibn Ziyad ibn Subayh al-Hanafi said: I prayed by the side of Ibn Umar and I put my hands on my waist. When he finished his prayer, He said: This is a cross in prayer; the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ peace and blessings be upon him) used to forbid it.
- Abi Dawud 903, Salat
yes placing them on hips or waist is forbidden, we should place it above or below the navel..
@@imamxx._ JAzak Allahu Khayr.
How does a laymen choose between 2 imams who each give their evidence, if he doesn't know how to judge them btw?
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 brother, the only thing which is proven from Rasoolullah ﷺ is that he indeed folded his hands during the prayer but we don't know where, so now it's a matter of ijtihaad. Allah won't judge us because of this Sunnah, do you really think Allah won't accept the prayer who is folding his hands only some cm away from the correct position? And on the ijtihaad matters, Allah will give 2 rewards for the one who was correct and 1 reward who was not correct, that's why he has names like Rahman and Raheem!
@@imamxx._covering right hand over the left below the chest under the prayer, is that permissible?
@@ARUclipsCommentator yes my brother, you can pray folding hands wherever you find ease. [But it's better to avoid placing hands on the chest, as that Hadith is weaker than the Hadith of folding hands above or below the navel.]
Wallahu Aa'lam
I tried to explain this to some Salafi brothers and they just look at me as dodgy now. So sad but sick also. But clearly now there’s a shift taking place in the Salafi circles back towards Authentic Hanbali Fiqh and Athari Aqeedah
There's no shift taking place...Salafis are the closest people to the Sunnah amongst all the Muslims
The true athari aqeedah is the same as the salafi aqeedah, and there is no shift…maybe it is you who has shifted to Bro Hajji.
Please explain what is Atari Aqeedah and how it differs from the Salafi Aqeedah. And what is authentic Hanbali Fiqh??? Either it's Hanbali or not
@@Dawah99 if you don't accept that maybe perhaps you are wrong in somethings then its impossible for you to be sincere and accept even if a thousand proofs are shown to you, anyway hundreds of youth from the salafis of today are realizing and many of them are then going out to study properly, when they start returning its game over
@@BeObjectiveBeHumble brother, we are strictly looking at the differences in aqeedah and like I said the athari creed is not different to the salafi creed, the imaams are the same and books are the same therefore the one who truly studies will come to know. These names and terminologies have been used by the salaf, ahlul hadeeth, ahlul sunnah, salafiyeen, ahlul athar, etc etc.
But the new “athari” movement i.e bro hajji and Muhammad hijab movement is not the the way of the salaf.
Rafa ul l adain is bigger issue....as clearcut evidences from that issue....but hanfi dont accept.....and rely upon only hadees which weak of ibne masud for not doing rafa ul adain
valid difference of opinion! they believe it to be abrogated
@@tsmeggroll3693 where is reference?? Only 1 week hadees nothing else
@@faridjagrala I am not a hanafi but many aimmah don’t consider doing raf ul yadayn sunnah!
Among them is Al Imam Sufyan Al Thawri, Imam Abu Hanifah, etc! And they have evidences for it! Don’t turn a matter of furo into something so big!
there is serious confusion around this. First the imam Ahmed says above the navel and then under the navel. Is the navel the belly button?
There are multiple narrations regarding the Imam Ahmad Rahimahullah. This was a Subject in and of itself to study what was the last opinion before his Passing. Because Imam Ahmad payed great attention to the narrations of Sahabah. If they differed a lot in a mas'ala, sometimes he would just give both the opinions and stay silent. Sometimes he has more than 5 views on an issue. Nevertheless, the Madhab says indeed that that it is below the navel, and this is the official position of the Madhab. The second opinion says above the navel. The third opinion says that both are ok and the same. And yes, the navel means the belly button.
@@adelowbarakAllahu feek for the clarification. Where/how can I contact you for more info?
This is Gem 💎👌 solves the matter
May Allah bless These people for giving best answer
جزاكم الله خيرا ونفع بكم. ❤
What about feet joining in salah? Is the opinion of Hanafis correct to stand a feet away from one another ?
No madhab says it is sunnah to join the Feet, and this was also explained by the Imam Al-Bukhari and Imam Ibn Hajr. That the joining of the feet was only to make sure the rows are straightened. But as for keeping the feet together during the Salah, this is not a sunnah. You see some people exxagerating in this, and standing like they will fall down in a split. This rather goes against the Sunnah. As for the shoulders touching each other, this is a sunnah according to some ulama, as this is what the evidence points to, and the practice of the companions
Al-Bukhaari, may Allaah have mercy on him, narrated (683) from Anas that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Make your rows straight, for I can see you from behind my back.”
Anas said: “so each of us would stand with his shoulder against his neighbour’s shoulder and his foot against his foot.”
Al-Bukhaari (may Allaah have mercy on him) gave this chapter the title: “Chapter on standing shoulder to shoulder and foot to foot.”
He said: al-Nu’maan ibn Basheer said: “I saw people standing with their ankles against their neighbours’ ankle.”
You say it is not a Sunnah. Fear Allah!
@@adHaf7348 i think he's a staunch soofee hanafi
@@Striker_242 Akhi i am a Hanbali that takes from Scholars such as Shaykh Salih Al-Usaymi, Salih Al Fawzan, Ibn Uthaymeen. Since when was it wrong to be a Hanafi in the first place? I am giving an explanation of Ibn Hajr which is the Shaykh of Islam in Hadith and this is the overwhelming majority of Ulama.
Now, if you look at ALL the evidences on the table, you will see that even though Nu'man ibn Bashir mentioned the feet, the ulama explain this of being a Wasilah to straighten rows. As for the Shoulders, THEN you will see the companions correcting people because it goes against the sunnah to be far away. But as for the Feet, this was not held by the Sahabah of being a sunnah. But rather just an act of getting close to each other.
This statement of the Feet is also Marfu' so it is a statement of the narrator.
And in the narration it mentions knees, do you join knees with your congregation? And why do you separate your knees and feet during sujood and all other positions? How did you make the Istinbaat of just doing it in qiyaam?
Imam Ibn Hajr mentioned: imam Al-Bukharis reason for choosing this specific title is to exxagarate the importance of straightening the rows and filling the gaps between them. (Fath al Bari 2:247)
And may Allah forgive you of accusing me to be an Innovator.
Now are you ready to Accuse the 4 madhabs and Ibn Hajr and Bukhari for being Staunch Sufi Hanafis for holding this position?
Barkhallah Fee 💎☝️
What institute does he have in riyadh? And what is it called?
This was just told to me regarding this video by The Student Shaykh Dawud Adib
What was told? Can you explain what you’re trying to say ان شاء الله
The amount of hate and fighting in the comments between muslims is sick.
Just place it anywhere. As long as u put your right hand over the left. Doesnt matter if its on the chest,on the stomach or below the navel. Prayer is still valid even if you put your hands on your side like the Maliki's.
Is there any proof from the authentic sunnah, to validate your statement regarding placing the hands on one's side, would love to seen tht hadeeth In Sha ALLAAH
@@ZaynElAbideen can you post the link to it minfadlik, would be greatly appreciated akhee.
Riyad as-Salihin 1752
Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) said:
We are prohibited from placing the hand on the side during As-Salat (the prayer).
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].
Sahih al-Bukhari 1220
Narrated Abu Huraira:
It was forbidden to pray with the hands over one's hips.
@@muslimresponses9731 this is arms akimbo.
I too am confused. What is the Shiekh trying say about the position of the hands.
Watch sheikh assim al hakim prayer video
@@beingmuslim54 Alhamdulillah I have and have followed his guidance for Salah.
@@ZaynElAbideen His video on Salah is very helpful and he reports his Salah based from authentic hadith.
He is a student of knowlege..
You can take from him
@@ZaynElAbideen because Sheik Assim took from the great scholars and converted it into digestible english instructions. Not everyone speaks Arabic so akhi chill.
Sheikh Al Albani mentioned the narration about Ishaq ibn Ruhawayyah. Which mentions that he placed his hands on "Chest or Below it"
And since it supports the hadith of placing the hands on his chest which he classed as Hasan, he said it should be placed on chest.
I ask the Sheikh or the posted this video to give reference for below Naval, which he is narrating from Imam Ahmad.
Also, Sheikh said something similar to guiding towards the most authentic narration. Them he should give narrations which support his claim. I don't understand the logic, since it is not mentioned in the books of Salaf then it was linient. I believe it is mentioned in Bukhari, imam Ahmad and Al tirmidhi, hence it was a discussion by the Scholars and Salaf.
Allahu Alam!
@@ZaynElAbideen akhi you are something else aren't you 😂may Allah bless you
BarakAllahu Feekum Brother for your effort. Forgive me but I meant evidence instead of reference. So the reference you mentioned were the statement of Imam Ahmad. Which is exactly what I wrote, but after reading this I realised I should have written evidence of what Sheikh refers as the opinion of Imam Ahmad, so I would expect a hadith or companions explaining the hadith of chest or something that can be called as evidence. JazakAllah Khair
So, you bring the proof. Merely saying: I think it is mentioned in this and this book, doesn't make it correct. Even Shaikh al-Islam narrates this from Imam Ahmad, wuth 3 different chains. Since it is a matter of difference, we should be lenient, and not imposing. As per Qaulu rrajih, keep it to yourself, it is not binding to the all Ummah.
@@elisjongoseni3225 I am not imposing anything on anyone brother. All I know is that Sh. Al Albani was a scholar of Hadith and was a mujtahid of our time. So if he would say something as Sahih or Daeef, that would have a value. But it seems like everyone here is discussing the matter not based on hadith, but opinion of scholar. And that's why I asked for proof, I would be more convinced of Sheikh in video would have clarified things better. Or might be the channel owner should present the complete argument.
I am not even a student of Knowledge, but have concern if my Salah is correct and I take deen from the sources available to me, such as lectures of Scholars of our present time and their books. It doesn't seem to me anyone in the comment section has the authority to say that Sh. Al Albani was right or wrong just as saying Imam Ahmad was wrong in this matter. (Not doing any comparision) but I leave it for Ulama, I have access to at present time to have a say for the matter.
@@adHaf7348 Why not to take the verdict of Imam Ahmad in this matter?
the strongest opinion is on the chest with the definition the shaykh gave in his presentation. The Hanbali school of law says what the shaykh said in this video. This is also what I have seen from Shaykhs Uthaymin, Fawzan and many others while praying next to them and/or within two people away from them
So that there is no unclarity, remember that I said: _"with the definition the shaykh gave in his presentation."
as for the narrations about below the navel, then to the best of my knowledge there is no narration authentic for this action.
Jazakallah khair for the clarification.
Correct
@@ZaynElAbideenagreed but . Reading the works of previous scholars they would give evidences . A student of knowledge can evaluate which is more stronger and act on it
@@ZaynElAbideenCome on this is stupid 😂if a Rafidhi/Sufi/ashari etc brings up a hadith that appears to support his Deviance I don't need to be a *mUjTaHiD* to know it's a fabrication
By this logic Mustadrak al Hakim=Sahih Al Bukhari lol
@@ZaynElAbideen mubtadi is like a muqalid,..wdym
Assalamu Alaikum
Can you give me the picture which you used in the thumbnail?
Simple “على الصدره"
“He used to place his hand upon his chest …” to the end of the narration. (Musnad Ahmad (5/226) with this wording also At-Tahqeeq of Ibn Hibbaan al-Jawzee (1/283) and( 1/338) in manuscript form).
Brother would strongly advise you to first learn silence then learn knowledge.
In your "tahqiq" of this issue you've managed to get half a sentence of Arabic wrong and quoted from ibn Hibban "al-Jawzi".
Yes the matter is easy. Its easy for the layman to open their mouths and speak without knowledge and get things completely wrong as we can see from many of the comments on this video.
رحم الله امرأ عرف قدر نفسه
The Arabic language is unlike English akhi. Know your place.
@@adam.259 What is this impoliteness? Know your place? This is what you say to your Muslim brother? No taqwa, no conscience that you will meet him on qiyamah and be held accountable for disrespecting him before thousands of people? Remarkable.
If a ضمير (pronoun) is attached to a word it becomes definite by way of this attachment so its incorrect to say : الصدره but rather صدره
That's a SIMPLE concept in the Arabic language
@@lucidniprogramer589 but it wasn't disrespect to the Shaykh when he said: Simple to the Shaykhs explanation of the مسألة?
This respected sheikh has confused the issue. Now either he is confused or we are unable to comprehend. The best prayer is described by Shiekh Aasim video. I think he gave reference of Bukhari and Muslim. And also authenticity was approved by Shiekh Albani. And Allah knows the best.
Which asim? The english speaker? You take your religion from those people?
@@ابوآسيةالسويسريsheikh assim alhakim
@@ابوآسيةالسويسريBecause he speaks English?, Arabic was not Bukharis first language
@@ZaynElAbideen Sheik assim can speak Arabic
it is better not to listen to Assim Al hakeem as he sits with people of innovation and he has praised salih al munajjad.
Not every thawb , scarf wearing ,Arab speaking, salaf quoting understands these issues…. Shaikh Albanian did an extensive work on all hadiths regarding the sifa of Salah of Nabi (saw), that for our time is raajih
That's fine brother if you want to take Shaykh Al-Albani's opinion but to say that it is rajih for our time and make it general becomes a problem.
@@ZaynElAbideenWhat is the opinion of Albani which no one else has?
Yet you are the ones, that keep calling themselves "Salafi" 😂
Aujubillah! Then doing anything in Salah is fine? That's why I don't take fiqh from Dhaif Hanbalis. Fiqh from Ahlul Hadith of the south Asia and others who are not affected by Hanbali muqallidin is strong and most nearer to Sunnah. Hanbali flavor are still there in Salafis of Arabia... Sad. They think madhabs are Ahlussunnah... While look at madhabs! Almost like 4 new prophets came to them. Aujubillah
Interesting brother. So was Imam at-Tirmidhi from Ahlul-Hadeeth ?
He mentioned in his collection
Chapter 73. What Has Been Related About Placing The Right Hand Over The Left During The Salat
. Qabisah bin Hulb narrated from his father who said: "Allah's Messenger lead us in prayer and hold his left hand with his right" (Hasan)
He said: There are narrations on this topic from Wa'il bin Hujr. Ghutaif bin Al-Harith, Ibn 'Abbas, Ibn Mas'ud, and Sahl bin Sa'd.
Abo Eisă said: The Hadith of Hulb is a Hasan Hadith.
This is acted upon by the people of knowledge among the Companions of the Prophets, the Tabiin and those after them. They held the view that a man is to place his right hand over his left during the Salat. Some of them held the view that he places it above the navel, and some of them that he places it below the navel. ALL OF THESE ARE ALLOWED ACCORDING TO THEM
Not quite sure why you are seeking refuge from the Salaf....
Do increase your studying and research into any issue before speaking brother.
BarakAllāhu Feekum
these salafis really think that they arent muqallids and the rest of the muslims are muqallids of madhabs. Salafis themselves blind follow ibn uthaymeen, fawzan, albani and bin baz. They dont even realise.
@araftamim-mx3dw Are you actually serious brother ? Did you actually listen to the video or just have a pre-conceived opinion and just will stick with that no matter what ? It seems that you actually haven't studied this issue in any capacity. Imam Ahmad who narrated the hadeeths mentioned that mention chest disliked hands being placed on chest.Now obviously there was a reason for that. Perhaps according to you he is weak ! So can you actually tell us how you arrived at "your correct opinion" seeing as you have ignored Imam Ahmad and Imam at-Tirmidhi who aren't Ahlul-Hadeeth enough for you
Correct
Is this only on opinion of Hanbaliya? Because other scholars say place hands on the chest!!
No Hanbali scholar has ever said put it on the chest. And by that mean a traditional Serious Hanbali scholar, that kept themselves to the Usool and official positions of the madhab. In fact this is a strange opinion that was popularized around 200 years back. As for the salaf, to put on ones chest was a strange opinion, and the most prominent was below- or above the navel. As for the Madhab of imam Ahmad رضي الله عنه then the official position is below the navel.
I've forgotten what Sheikh Albani wrote in the Prophets Prayer book? Did he say not the chest? Also didn't the Prophet sometimes fold his arms ( 1 forearm on top kf the other)?? If so then this can only be done on the chest! Propa confused now
@@chaalmaar He said chest. And also gave the reference.
@ZaynElAbideen what is qabd
To put the hands in between the breast and navel is all one opinion ..this is the opinion of imam ahmad and later hanbali ulemas
Thus is also the opinion of imam shafi and also the opinion of imam malik