Jesse Reacts to Endwalker Launch Trailer
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- Jesse, fresh off the Live Letter, watches and deep dives into the Final Fantasy XIV Endwalker launch trailer.
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Enter the next chapter of Final Fantasy Online. Warriors of light have come, yet shadowed by their triumph in the First, the Warrior of Light and Scions of the Seventh Dawn are home at last. An even greater calamity than refulgent oblivion has been building in their absence, however─a second advent of the Final Days. Should all despair, the myriad conflicts that now ravage the land cannot but foretoken an end to life in the Source. Take heart in the faith of those who walk beside you, and journey ever higher─to the very stars above. Journey to Thavnair, the imperial capital of Garlemald, and even the moon! Explore new jobs like Sage and Reaper and a new playable race with the male Viera!
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Alphy is the one side protagonist with the MOST character development throughout the entire game, from the arrogant leader in ARR, his journey of self reflection in HW, his rebellion in the face of tyranny at Eulmore in ShB, and now defying his father, who represents what he could've become without the WoL's guidance. His whole story arc could thematically end with him following his grandfather's footsteps in self-sacrifice as a catalyst for Fourchenault to change, just as likely as he could also retire to reform Old Sharlayan himself.
I've been saying for years, besides the WoL, this game is Alphinaud's story.
Something struck me in ShB where Feo Ul said "you humans who plant seeds which you will never see grow so that those after you may enjoy their fruits" (or something along those lines) was VERY ominous. Initially thinking that either Yshtola or Alphinaud may die in Endwalker because they have so much left to accomplish and see through. And that ending of the trailer really messed with me cause it looks certain Alphi is going to self sacrifice.
I don't think there was a chance of Alphi becoming like his father. His father shared the Forum's stance of nonintervention while all the way from ARR Alphi has been a meddler (with both good and bad results).
I think there is a decent chance he sacrifices himself like his grandfather cause although I could be entirely wrong about this being what he meant, yoshi p did mention that going through coils would make the story for endwalker more clear, and coils is not just about bahamuts story but about louisioux sacrificing himself by becoming a primal and staying behind and locking himself up with bahamut to prevent him from being unleashed again. Alphi could very well die or be trapped for an eternity like his grandfather to prevent zodiarks return, therefore ending the chapter between Zodiark and Hydaelyn. But this is all speculation of course.
If this happens imma cry like a bitch lmao
Love that in the shot of Limsa at the beginning, you can see the yellow jacket lady from the rogue quest line talking to the con-artist fight promoter from the samurai questline. They always go all out with the little details.
In the live letter yoshi-p apparently mentioned that some of the job quest NPCs will play a role in the expac. But don't take my word on that, I haven't watched the whole live letter and only know of it because someone on reddit mentioned it, so I can't confirm if this is true.
I'm predicting that the job quest NPCs will all appear in their relevant role quests. Kind of like an Avengers moment for all the job NPCs you met along the way, basically.
@@Pompadourius That would be cool but how would it work if someone hasn't done a specific job? For example I haven't leveled SAM, so if the SAM trainer showed up in the melee role quest he wouldn't know my character.
@@CallMeNoa They do really well with having npcs have different dialogue depending on if you've done quests with them or not. There's a bit of meaning in that for players even if it's just a small change in a line or two.
@@CallMeNoa Oboro from the Ninja Questlines appeared in the cutscene where Alphinaud's group takes down the shield generator in the raid on Doma castle, and iirc the Thamaturge guild helped seige the gates of Ala Mihgo, so they've definitely done this before.
The more I listen to the end, the more I feel like it's not even Alphinaud's words, but the dev team saying thank you to the entire playerbase for sticking with them through this journey.
Do u even watch other expansion launch ? Everything is in game .
@@AnatoPhysi Obviously...
I love how Jesse is basically making Tataru sound like she was the God who shook our hand in the gas station levels of revelations XD
Well. She probably is
I see that persona reference
Tataru's betrayal will be the most painful :(
P4G spoilers
Jaina is a dreadlord, my dude.
"And so you venture forth unto the unknown, a fate beyond the horizon that cannot be divined. A future undefined and in flux"
I think Emet's first dialogue there was something he said to Azem when they were either leaving the convocation to continue travelling the world in the Final Days or when Azem left to travel at first.
"That which lives is destined to die, love leads to loss, every beginning has an end. Treasure every moment, every step of your descent and there in the depths where souls and stars rest, find your truth." This line really makes it seem like it's when Azem is leaving the convocation after not agreeing with the Zodiark plan though.
I assume in this expansion we'll get some flashbacks to Amaurot before the Final Days where we'll get to sympathize more with the Amaurotians and see our past relationships with Emet, Elidibus and Hy outside of the Tales from the Shadows stories . We've seen Venat in the trailer reliving the destruction of Amaurot after all.
I got the impression that Azem's seat in the Convocation was symbolic since they were never there and always out-and-about helping the "lesser" people of the Star all around the globe. They never really left but it didn't really matter. Azem seemed to be the empathetic and humble Amaurotine. They all meant well but "we" were the one that connected with the 'mortals'. "We" were the one with the unique perspective of seeing how the non-deific-creation-magic-capable beings lived. I think Azem was the only one capable of seeing the middle ground between the Convocation's wish to preserve the greatness of Amaurot's civilization and the Venat faction of survival through sundering, and how the sundered could (maybe) carry on the legacy of the Ancient Ones.
I was watching someone go through SB and at the end of the Azim Steepe section Cirina quotes The First by saying "Those who are born are destined to die."
Now looking past how common of a phrase it is, take into account that Azem is most likely the namesake behind the Azim Steepe and the phrase in the trailer now possibly directly references Azem.
@@Bobnotk2point5 Azem's crystal also has the symbol of the sun on it.
Meanwhile they dropped this speech into the first real cutscene of the expansion 😂 I love coming back and seeing old theories. The devs really misdirected a lot of things with this trailer and I love it.
I think Emet is going to be our narrator for the whole xpac. It would be really fitting, too.
Kind of curious implications to have a dead man narrate our journey but I suppose that wouldn't be the first time this game's done that. Makes me even more excited for the Pandemonium raid and wondering if more Ascians than Lahabrea will be involved in some way.
@@Draylin41 His true name is that of the keeper of the dead. Naming aside, it's mentioned in the ShB short stories that he always had a strong connection to the Lifestream, where souls go when they die. Death for him might not be the same as for most.
Probably through messages left in the crystal...that would be an amazing touch.
@@Draylin41 Who says Emhet is "dead dead". ;)
@@Racerguardguy As much as I like Emet. I hope he stays dead. I wouldn't mind visions of the past with emet in them, but he shouldn't be resurrected or the like imho. His story is over, let the old man rest.
"No child need freeze cold in the snow" was the only thing I could think of when Alphi said "not out here in the wind and the cold".
THANK YOU. I feel like that's intended as a throwback to Ysayle
@@mjs3188 Right! There is no way its a coincidence, not with Ishikawa heading up the scenario here !
I think that voice you're questioning IS Fandaniel. The reason why it sounds different is because at first it's him speaking with Asahi's voice and then the following voice is his actual voice. Kind of like how Elidibus was able to use Zenos' & Ardbert's voices when he was in their bodies, but had a completely different voice for himself.
Yeah that what i imagine as well. We need to remember that when Emet decided to stop fucking around as Hades, his voice completely changed at first.
But if it is Fandaniel's voice, that means for some reason he's now interested in pursuing The Rejoining like the unsundered Ascians were. Which we've seen him openly criticize and just flat out mock multiple times. I just really don't think that dialogue reflects Fandaniel's modus operandi. It doesn't make sense.
@@Raxen95 Of course it doesn't make sense when you lack context. But maybe Fandaniel simply hated the unsundered ascians' way of doing things. Maybe he wants to risk it all and do a big rejoining with all the shards at once. Maybe he started the Final Days in order to force us to set Zodiark free.
The second voice actually kinda sounds like Alphi and Ali's dad
@@Danothyus1 Also that was his own body to begin with so it doesn't need to change, until he turns into hades, which you can assume is his true TEMPERED form.
Normally, I'd dismiss your theories as "Ol' Jesse at it again with the crackpot theories", but when it comes to FFXIV I recall how you called the plot of 5.3's patch during 2.x content.
Do you have a vid of that?
I'd be interested in watching it ;o
Oh I am interested too.
@@Haeruna it’s in his 5.3 gameplay video!
@@dorkiecookie he said he called it in 2.x though.
@@Haeruna yes but theres a small snippet in the 5.3 video that he called it back in 2.x!!
Only FFXIV could have such a memorable cast that it can just have slit portraits of everyone feel so impactful, more than the epic story, we want these characters to succeed and live.
That wrong, wow we have another ff14 fanboys who thinks this game is the greatest, I love ff14 and I play it Everytime, but there are other games does it better like the persona series and other final fantasy games and the tales series and much more, ff14 is not the only game that does this
@@john_7000 are you speaking English? It's hard to tell sorry
@@john_7000 what?
@@john_7000 As someone that's played the persona series... they definitely do not do it better. Sure, they work well with the themes they have, but they are considerably more bareboned story-wise.
@@john_7000 what’s wrong with thinking ff14 does it best? It is the same thing as you thinking persona or another ff does it better. Don’t be so pressed about, it’s not good for your health man.
"Maybe we don't belong here, but neither do they" is more likely referring to how the original garleans got bullied by all the other races that could use aether so hard they were forced to move into nearly inhospitable lands, to the point of being considered a beast race. With Garlemald destroyed and the army Tempered, they are really setting up a sympathetic end for the Garlean people.
That's along the lines of what I'm thinking. The city is in ruins, shelter and food will be in high demand, and who knows what became of military officers since the tempered rank-and-file soldiers don't need someone personally ordering them around. Everyone else with any survival instinct will want to GTFO, but space on any working transport will be limited.
What better way to show off the rift between the elite Purebloods getting priority and everyone else struggling to survive through another freezing night?
@@PhantomSinger1 Im talking about farther back. Garleans are historically borderline genocide victims. They got repeatedly thrashed in wars with people that either had magic or are superhuman monsters. The only way they managed to survive was to run away to a place nobody else wanted. It was only with the discovery of Ceruleum that they actually had a way to fight back, and with Emet-Selch at the head they conquered nearly the known world in 50 years. They as a race are understandibly bitter at literally everyone else for either mass murdering or ignoring them. Just as Hitler with post WW1 germany, it is very easy for a punching bag to overcorrect into world domination
Reminds me of Chinese history, a country oppressed by the Mongols, Japan and other foreign nations (not to mention, inter civic conflicts) that their isolation and growth in the 20th century made them a superpower nation.
I mean tbf the garleans weren't all monsters. I highly doubt the general populace knew about the likes of the evil ruby weapon experiments or would condone black rose. They're probably just y'know... People.
@@blockhead134 The more you think about it, Emet probably saw a lot of the Amaurotine in the Garleans. They do bear a similarity in being lost and reclaimed.
The "Not out here in the wind and the cold" line is Alph commenting on the Garleans now displaced after Zenos' rampage and now the mass summoning of the voidsent first created in their backyard.
It's the boy who spent ARR hellbent on taking down the Garlean empire coming to terms that his plan if executed would bring the same devastation to these people in one way or another and now has that sympathy that they are just a result of circumstance of a higher power.
Outside of the IV references I got a few from II and IX here aswell.
The rose = 'Wild Rose', the Rebellion in FFII and Firion's guiding principles in Dissidia.
WoL slumped on the throne = Zidane's shattered soul via Garland (Not Alone) sat upon the throne of Pandemonium. Crystal maze also looks similar to the final zone in IX too (Crystal World).
Jesse's theory of reliving major story beats and receiving revelations is also reminiscent of what Memoria was like in IX.
Do you think the new raid is gonna be in the actual underworld? castle pandemonium and all? Nod to II as well as mentioned in the short stories in the websites tales from the shadows section
Also this rejoining thing in XIV really remind me to Gaia and Terra in IX. Both in IX and XIV need such calamity to fullfil the rejoining. Also I think Garland = Emet, both primary objective is revival of their advance but extinct race through destruction and merging world.
@@kharismabudiansya2293 Yeah, and don't remember the floating faces/masks speaking to you in Oeilvert teaching you about the destruction of Gaia, which is so reminiscent of the floating masks of Acians staring at the derplander.
@@Poromies90 ohhh thanks for pointed it out. That's why after beat Hades, that cutscene feel familiar to me.
The Armored Dude is totally Nerva and his lament about the glory of Garlemald will be set in comparison to the Ascians own quest to refuse to move on, which is why we hear his own declamation right after Fandaniels.
By the way I think this is a bait concerning Fandaniel and that he declaims this to mock it after.
I wonder if Nerva could be either a Sundered Convocation member, or possessed by one. We do still have one or two unaccounted for, after all.
It would give his lament a double meaning: one for both the Empire, and for Emet-Selch who created it. And his yearning for "the good old days" would make more sense than Fandaniel suddenly discarding his destructive nihilism.
That's what I thought about Fandaniel as well, except something tells me that's not exactly right. From the trailer I can only assume we see a scene of Fandaniel being serious on the moon. And since the ancients don't have red masks, they're probably the ones who summoned Hydaelyn. I'm thinking Fandaniel is trying to enact the Final Days to force us to seek Zodiark's help and set him free. Eventually he manages to get us (and Hydaelyn) to the imprisoned Zodiark for a dialogue, which is what we see in the trailer.
I think the voice line is probably a flashback for Fandaniel. Like, he used to be like that, when he was first raised to the position. Then he snapped.
I'm thinkin' Emet left a message for Azem, in case he failed the rejoining.
That's what I'm thinking...since Emet is no more idk how he could narrate the end.
Emet has always been written to be an extremely high level plotter. Plans within plans within plans. Making empires, directing all the rejoinings, leading the Ascians, etc. He made the 'stars' we gave Elidibus, and made the 'star that shouldn't exist' to raise Azem up to his station. Yeah, he likely knew who we were, which was part of the reason he did what he did in ShB. Hythlodaeus once mentioned 'no one could mistake the color of such a soul' when he talks about Ardbert being next to us. This was hinted at earlier actually, when Emet summons Y'shtola from the lifestream. "What color was her soul again? Ahh yes."
He also implanted the power to return from the void inside Azems crystal, as we saw in Elidibus' fight.
It wouldn't surprise me, AT ALL, if the narration we get for this expansion is actually a message left inside the crystal from him to us.
@@Krescentwolf I believe the crystal was created long ago, Azem was a traveller so Emet likely made it in Azem's absence. I believe the first message in SOS says something like "Herein I commit the chronicles of the traveller"
Emet did not recognize who we were until just before the Hades trial, once Ardbert fused, the soul became apparent to Emet which is why he says "It can't be." And that it's just a trick of the light.
The stone likely is Emets narration for his lost friend and he made it in secret, I don't believe he created it post sundering.
Guess we will find out
@@Krescentwolf Emet was also a lot more experienced in matters of the Soul. So if Hythlodaeus noticed, Emet probably knew from the beggining and im betting the only reason he even considered observing us in the beggining was because of that. Tho Emet was throwing hints at us like 'You wouldnt remember' etc
@@furbyoats1 We don't know for certain when the stars were actually made... though I have a sneaking suspicion that they were made after the sundering. The clue is in the memories inside each stone, some are from before the end of days, some during, and some after. And there's one stone that specifically calls out 'the sickly glow of malformed creatures.' That's a phrase that's only ever used for post-Sundering people.
Hythlodaeus also implies that these stars are what the Ascians use to awaken sundered-souls to their original memories. Thus, 'raise up to their station.'
This is all theory-crafting in the end though, since we don't really know anything for certain. XD
I do agree that Alphie won't die, but I'm guessing he will leave the Scions for some important political post and his role as our major adventuring friend will end. Whether its as a voice in Sharlaya or maybe to lead the Garlean survivors, I can't guess, but I feel like his time with the WoL is over.
Probably to stay in Sharlayan, by the time everything's said and done there the existing authority and power structure is probably going to be upended. He might decide to stay there among Sharlayan's leadership to guide Sharlayan toward using their knowledge for a good cause
Personally, I think you’re right and the Alphie death flags are a misdirect.
However, I also don’t think all the scions are making it out alive. One or more of those people at the end of the trailer are going to die. This is the end of 11 years of lore buildup. Someone is making the ultimate sacrifice.
As long as he stay alive he can do whatever. I don't want him to die but that was such a nasty death flag
@@peytonalexander5300 Oh yeah, Basically I think Jesse's got it on lock with the fate of the scions., Estinien is gonna die but it will be a glorious sacrifice. Y'Shtola has too much of a 'sage' setup to die but she wont hang around. Only the bright-eyed G''raha and adrenaline junkie Alisae will follow you into the unknown, and maybe Sir Talksalot. Although that last "party slot" might be better filled by a totally new member to bridge the gap, probably introduced in the patches....?
@@DuoSanguis I think that 17:24 shows who it will be. You see Ardbert with a new Hairstyle, looks like an Adventure (maybe reborn), and the next moment you see the old Ardbert from the first.
Some theories spotted throughout the internet:
02:12 - The blue space surrounding the jagged crystal bridges seems to suggest this dungeon takes place within the aetherial sea; if we go by the theories established by scholars according to the Encyclopedia Eorzea Vol I (Pg. 011), which describes Hydaelyn (The Planet) as being centered within a giant Mothercrystal (Akin to our Earth's core.), then the crystal bridges could possible be tethers leading to and from said Mothercrystal. Also is of interesting to note is how many of the bridges have jagged, spiky edges or tendrils; something that is reminiscent of patch 3.2's (The Gears of Change) promotional artwork that depicts Minfilia entangled by Hydaelyn's chained and entangled by Hydaelyn's crystal tendrils.
11:00 - Difficult to judge, as we only see the white crown-parts of the flower, but it is possible said flower depicted is an asphodel, which if we follow with the ancient Greece mythology-themes of the Ascians, is also being associated with the ancient Greece's Underworld-mythos, being also a section where souls are sent to after death. It is essentially the equivalent to spider-lilies in Japanese mythology and symbolism regarding death association. Depictions of Asphodel have generally been described in neutral or somewhat positive light; not really an underworld place for damnation akin to hellish spaces like Tartarus, but also not as paradise-like akin to Elysium. Neutrality of neither good nor evil essentially resides in this underworld space. Might be involve more into FFXIV's themes surrounding balance, to which it begs to question what is Venat's view on it.
12:45 - Tataru's voice. Maybe?
13:35 - Said imperial cousin involved in the civil war after Varis's demise is mentioned at the very end of 5.1 as "Lord Nerva", indeed of the IIIth Legion as Nerva's name is mentioned by a soldier of said Legion. I think Nerva is also the child of Titus (Varis's uncle who defeated him after Solus's demise back in 2.x.). Nerva might also possible be involved in Fan'daniel financing them as part of Fan'daniel continuing the imperial civil war with the fortune he amassed as part of him corpse-walking as Asahi of House Brutus that he mentions in 5.3.
Lots of fun watching your speculation, Jesse. Looking forward to your speculations once Endwalker hits up!
its in the Memoria (a place in FF9) of our world, possibly in the Crystal, as there is a bit of FF9 in this expansion long with the FF4 stuff.
19:10 I'm confident these are two separate voices, and if I were to hazard a guess, it's going to be during an echo flashback to the summoning of Zodiark. Fandango is probably speaking the first line, but the other belongs to another convocation member.
Another thing is these lines may not even be related, but were just cut that way for the trailer. They have a habit of doing that.
Definitely 2 different voices.
Also, is the first voice not also Asahi’s? Can they not swap from the bodies voice to their own in command? Elidibus mixed his and Ardberts even
In the JP trailer it's definitely the same voice. Fandy Dandy wants to bring Zodiark back. Every time we talk to an Ascian it's always "I'm an Ascian, so obviously I want to bring the next Rejoining and summon Zodiark" and this time it's the same, it's all just a giant bait. Fandaniel is probably the backup plan that activates if all Unsundered die and he wants to free Zodiark in his current form, incomplete or not, and just hope for the best.
@@dragirby yeah, and honestly the voice change might be our confrontation with Fandaniel changing form
I think the unknown voices talking about the rejoining are Sharlayans, with the second deeper voice being Fourchenault. They know about it all and have been actively, but covertly working towards the rejoining.
And at the end I think Alphinaud is talking to his mom, who decides to side with the twins instead of their father. She'll un-disown them!
i took those voices to be the echos of Venat's past that we are shown in this trailer most likely the male voice is that of a convocation member .. most likely Lahabrea who was the speaker of that group and opted to create zodiark and necessitate the rejoinings as well as forward the creation of "elidibus" to counter argue their god's destructive path.
The voice never brought up the rejoining.
If you pause around 1:49 with the blue haired garlean, you can see that he's going on the attack with lucia, maxima, sadu and cirina in shot. This either is a base camp for the final push on garlemald or a scouting party with them 4 being sent to do it.
And this trailer gives more of an insight into Fandaniel's plans. He is either trying too force hydaelyns hand by making her free zodiark not at full strength. As he does not care for "mouldering memories", all he wants is zodiarks return and not the people unlike what the unsundered were doing was too get zodiark back too ressurect the people.
The amarotians in this version have their hair and faces showing unlike emets which were hooded and masked. Implying too me that venat remembers them more vividly due too her not being on the convocation and more in touch with the common folk than the convocation ever were.
For the venat bit: I think it's more like she never had to go through "death" and rebirth like the convocation did? Hydlotheus mentioned that they get their memories back via the soul crystals, didn't he?
@@Yuushiron Yes and no. Only the sundered ascians like igeyohrm, mitron, fandaniel etc. need to get their memories back via crystals. The unsundered ascians, Lahabrea, Elidibus and Emet-Selch could remember on their own. Well at least Laha and Emet. Elidibus is a special case as seen in 5.3
Well also, do remember that Emets version was likely hooded and masked because they had to be made real/corporeal. He likely remembers their faces, but recreating them all would've used up a bunch more aether that making one body type, copying it a bunch and then putting personalities in them.
I'm pretty convinced that as Azim Steppes, is literally Azem's army, Sadu is going to die in this expansion.
about the fandaniel part, we dont know what Danny sounds like, he has been using Asahis voice this entire time, the second voice could be his real voice. Just like Elidibus used Arberts voice while in his body then transitioned into his actual voice.
Yeah was thinking that too, he introduces himself as Faithful Fandaniel. So it could be true that he is absolutely faithful to his people and using Zenos to push Azem into finding a solution to saving the source, via a full rejoining.
@@NeoBluereaper yea this, I don't buy his Nihilism, he was a member of the Convocation, something is off.
@@keithfilibeck2390 well, I mean, he's not one of the unsundered... so, something's bound to be off with him.
I thought the voice at the end which Jesse thought was Danny was actually Alphi's Dad.
As for Fandaniel being a member of the Convocation, I thought he was a random underling Ascian like the ones who appear in the Summoner Job Quest, who realised there's no more Elidibus there to boss him around and keep him in check.
Yeah, one thing I’ve noticed is that we have yet to hear him speak in his own voice instead of Asahi’s. I definitely wasn’t expecting that second voice though, assuming it is him
Having played Final Fantasy IX I'm so intrigued as too the depth of the WoL in the seat. Spoilers ahead for FFIX; Perhaps it's just meant to be a visual reference, that entire place looks very much like Garlands place in FFIX (the name escapes me atm) but perhaps it could be more. Zidane is the angel of death in FFIX and perhaps this scene could be Zenos trying to further improve you for the final battle. We could suffer lots of character deaths in this expansion given it's finality but even if we didn't untold destruction to much of the world is literally seen, and as a hero watching countless citizens be slaughtered in an apocalypse would probably weigh heavily on the mind, and perhaps this is him having captured you or something of the sort and preying on all he's taken from you to turn you into a feral beast of a warrior, to breed so much hatred and anger in you that you become something that could give him a final moment far more transcendent his last. Turning you into an angel of death much like Zidane was made to be one to round it back towards FFIX.
And then you start going down the rabbit hole of how similar Zenos and Kuja are.
When the voice breaks during "World free of sorrow" I get teary eyed every time. And that voice is not Fandaniel. The one right before is, and he's talking as if serving Zodiark. Which begs the question was all we saw of him before an act.
BTW. I'm pretty sure Emet'll be the narrator between areas, like Ardbert and Lyse were in past expansions.
Also, that song doesn't remind me of Cowboy Bebop song. That one's a blues song. This one's more modern.
The Fandaniel line could also be from a flashback. Maybe at one point in the past he was all for Zodiark like the other Ascians, but then something changed him?
Fandaniel is an absolute wild card. He convincingly paints himself as a nuclear annihilation-seeking, suicidally scorched earth madman. But the way the story presents him and the way characters talk about him leave a question of "is that really all it is".
I don't know which way the story is going to go with him, but I feel confident that there is going to be a LOT more depth to him than it seems at first. And I'm not sure which possibility terrifies me more.
@@xuto2693 all of the scion of light titles have been accurate for the ascians we've met so far. Emet-selch the angel of truth, lahabrea the abyssal celebrant, loghrif the transcendent, they all fit.
Fandaniel the Protector
"a future undefined and in flux" could also be referencing Graha'tia rewriting history by saving the first, it changed the future in the source too.
Exactly. Emet will narrate and this line will be in the beginning
How do they keep throwing out bangers back to back, like it's no big deal.
God the scene of the twins leaning on each other really got me in a way I wasn't expecting
At 11:00 it's definitely bloom. Auto-generated captions are made by AI and 100% worthless. Venat's probably still on the moon and delivers a magical flower to guide us there near the start of our journey since her spirit is seen on the ship. Something else about Venat that might not mean anything: She looks like a Viera without ears and she's been rumored to be on the moon where Loporrits (the little rabbit beast tribe) have been confirmed to reside. If we have any member of the convocation to thank for coming up with the concept of Viera/rabbits it's probably her.
Remember Yoshida's theme about 'platinum' something is VERY important.
Maybe the Emet narration is a memory we revisit of our ancient past when we were friends before the sundering.
Also some things I've noticed since I've had time to watch it again. In the beginning with the Amaurot scene, you can see the Ancients running with their hoods down and their hair shown. After the scene where it shows us sitting in Zeno's chair and his monologue starts it looks like we're fighting an ascian. You can see their mask briefly flash.
I love this video so much Jesse, thanks so much for sharing! I had the STRANGEST thought and I'm positive it's not correct, but what if..... what if the first scene of Limsa Lominsa is truly the last scene of the Endwalker? Journeying to a new land? The only thing that really solidified me of this is actually the way that Thancred looks at the moon. He just seems... calm. They all do, they all seem relieved. Just something that crossed my mind :')
That is the direction of the New World continent that we barely know anything about.
Also could be the beginning of EW since that is the direction of Old Sharlayan. Which is the first place we will go to.
I like how Jesse made the "drinking" motion with his hand when he said on stream that what really happened is he ate an edible lol
The mysterious voice that says “It will be ours again…” I thought was Alphonaud’s dad. Since he’s shouting it sounds a little different but I thought it was his. It could be him having a change of heart, or if read differently it could be a clue at the Sharlaen’s plan. Maybe they want the old world restored since it was a world “free from sorrow.” So maybe they know the truth about the past and have deemed it the way things should be? Just a potential theory.
The line said at that part in the JP trailer is definitely still Fandaniel, but the content is a direct continuation of his previous lines, and he's directly addressing Zodiark, so not sure if the EN lines are supposed to be different characters as well as content.I don't know the EN voices very well, but I also don't think it sounds like the same VA from earlier.
Given the HEAVY inspiration of FF4 and some of the voice lines in the trailer, I am concerned for Alphinaud and Alisaie. Remember Palom and Porom... 😭 I think the Emet speach is a narration as the scions set out for Sharlayan and will probably be heard early. He's probably the narrator for the expansion like Fortemps.
The voice saying "Let me relieve you of your burden, you've suffered enough". May well be the reaper companion ghost.
If it's that, that's fine, the absolute thing I don't want to see is a twin surviving without the other. Think about Alisae seeing his brother dying. That would be RIOT.
@@TheOniraf harry potter kek
considering the source of that voice.. I highly doubt they'd put a job-specific npc into a trailer..
People really do be forgetting that Palom and Porom like... come back. After the main party leaves for the moon, they get cured off-screen and just show up later.
@@AweHitero Maybe, but since no other classes are getting job quests, they will likely be the first classes with voiced job quest NPCs.
getting some major Berserk eclipse vibes with all the monsters
I love the details they put in this trailer. For example you can see Milala and Momozigo meeting at 0:50
I know that a lot of the focus is on FFIV, but there is so much FFIX feeling stuff here too. That one scene, the crystal dungeon(for the lack of a better term). The masks, so much IX stuff in there but it is subtle. Obviously the main focus is IV, but I can't help but feel IX has a lot influence here too. Pandeamonium will probably be like that too, a mix of II and IX.
Zodiark and Hydalen both look exactly like Necron, so FF9 was always influencing this.
The crystal in the core of the planet and the Ascians wanting to bring back their people/world by killing the current one was always very IX, so as this story hits its climax it makes sense for the IX vibes to get stronger. I'm so happy because IX is my favorite FF.
black void balls reminds me of FF5 ending when void absorbs every city into interdimentional rift
They just make me think of Berserk and Bloodborne.
I think Emet's speech is either an echo of him talking to either Azem or the convocation, or it's the WoL summoning the convocation back to discuss what the heck they're going to do about the final days.
Fanny Danny sounds like an echo of him pleading with the unsundered before eventually going crazy after numerous deaths and rebirths.
Given that Emet talks about descension to find your truth followed by the panning down into the water, I feel like the hidden final zone is in the core of Hydaelyn. Either that or the center of the moon.
I agree and I think the dungeon with crystal walkways is in there too.
The final zone could very well be the Aetherial Sea where both Hydaelyn and Zodiark reside.
I'd be down for Hades as the narrator for this expansion.
Jesseeee, your so close to a million subs. Just 12k away. I cant wait to see you hit that milestone after all these years of watching and being subbed. Thanks for all the awesome content over the past decade here on RUclips man. I really appreciate all that you've given us.
"It will be ours again!. Our world free of sorrow!"
This is totally Fandaniel's real voice. The way he speaks sounds like the moment he breaks down. When he will literally take down his mask and show us what he truly wants. A crazed and desperate cry to destroy the world again. To burn the world and himself clean. A crazy suicidal attempt to forget everything and go back to those simple peaceful times.
I think you're right on the Crystal dungeon. I think it's under Silvertear Lake, and it's literally the 'path' to Hydaelyn.
The shot of the twins in Garlemald looks like they have some sorta collar on them both and there is a scene later on with Zenos looking on the WoL passed out in a chair, so guessing that is prisoner / capture sequence. Just what I noticed.
Now I want to run through World of Darkness to see if there are those big black orbs in the distance. If so... The trailer may be hinting at us going to the 13th, or those portals bringing all the voidsent to the Source.
I believe the 'sun' of the WoD was similar to those orbs, but the aesthetic is very different. WoD is all dark crystals and imposing architecture, that place was more like the Soul Cairn from Skyrim: a blasted, lifeless place with strange magic and corpses. In the background you could see centipede-like bones, like the ones we see in all the places Xenos is building.
My guess is that it's wherever the nightmares from Aumorot came from, cause I don't think voidsent would want anything like what's going on. And these creatures are less demonic, and more eldritch, with glowing eyes and mouths for days.
I can't remember but wasn't there something in E9 that looked similar?
These are Terminus monstrosities from The Final Days, not voidsent.
Ever since Heavensward. my theory was that the big end was gonna be killing both Light and Dark Crystal. Cause you can't just deal with one right? Cause balance? So either both are fused together to equalize it all, or they are both offed.
Personally, I'm pretty much banking on Zenos' idea is that he will use his power to assume Zodiarc, like he did with the big bad dragon before. And he aims for you to use the Echo to do the same for big crystal momma, and then you two duke it out for one last big 'Dance' for the stars.
Along the same lines, the Heart of Hydaelyn shares the name of a character from FF12 that was believed to be an ally before everyone realised that morality was just different to her and she fused with the big bad as the final boss
Honestly I hope he doesn't. Wouldn't it be a fun death if say Gaius is the one to kill him. Like what if Nero takes on the black rose research and crafts a neat set of poison bullets for Gaius to just pop Zeno's with a few times, giving Zeno's plenty of time to gloat at how pathetic his attempts are at fighting him. Only for the black rose to slowly kick in an eats away at all of his aether from the inside, would be pretty poetic.
I've had this thought of Zenos fusing with Zodiark, but the whole reason he fused with Shinryu before was because that was what his resonate was based on. Whereas Fordola used Krile, Zenos used Shinryu. It wouldn't make much sense to me for him to be able to fuse past that, especially Zodiark. Yet, I can't deny there's a bit of me which notices how he fits for a Zemus stand-in, and it's very undeniable that Zodiark is definitely gonna have a phase at least in the EX fight where he turns into Zeromus. So whether or not this does happen is yet to be seen.
@@rezahydra I don't know.. He kinda states that it is the deep secret power of the Echo in general. At least based on what he says before doing it himself.
@@Zergqueen377 Problem is he isn’t an Echo, and it’s stated specifically that before they captured Krile that they didn’t have any other Echo’s they could use for the infusion to become a resonate, aligning his Aether to it and all. And on top of that, Fordola says that compared to her treatment, Zenos’s is a lot scarier. And considering those two were the only successful Resonates we know about, this begs the question of what Zenos used. And the only likely option considering is Shinryu.
The big blue guy is probably related to Allagans on the Moon, because Yoshida mentioned how he wants to play into all the 'moon' myths like the dark side of the moon. The floor under the boss is also reminiscent of Crystal Exarch's room in the Crystal Tower when he was talking to us.
Everything in this trailer is a WoL deathflag; Alphinaud is a deflection meant to make you scared of losing the Scions when in reality it's the player character who is going to die. End of 6.0 is absolutely going to be a timeskip before WoL is revived. The song lyrics, the Lady of the Light giving you an asphodel, Emet talking about you going to the place where souls and stars find rest (the Lifestream), the first tier of the raid named after the Asphodel Fields, the 'tomorrow is never promised' line.....it's all death flagging the WoL.
WoL sitting on that throne definitely looks like a IX reference; that place even looks like Garland's castle Pandemonium. Some other IX references are the merging of worlds that the Ascians have been trying to do, and all of those masks looking down at the WoL in the trailer (and from the fight against Hades) is reminiscent of the masks of the Terrans in Oeilvert.
I'm definitely lvling up my female pally and would love to see her in that armor on all the cutscenes. And NO dont you dare Alphinaud! Btw, i did NOT think they can top off ShB music, but this...this.. is truly something else! Chills! I literally cried at the end!
I had goosebumps throughout the entire trailer, they are so good with it, not to mention the fucking music is just so next level.
Regarding the music from past expansions, what if you go back to those areas to fight the terminus beast and the freaking remexis start playing... Or a important character from said expansion does something really cool, for example Hien and Yugiri come to your aid on a really tight spot and the freaking stormblood remix goes wild... I can't wait...
Thancred cannae die until he sees grown up Ryne... which could be this expac considering one of my wilder theories is that we find a way to non-destructively rejoin the shards, or at least find a way to bridge them...
ALSO! I think FannyD sounds strange because he's no longer manic... Oh no, what if he's the villain we come to love? (Still want to punt him directly into the sun)
Well, we've seen Thancred and Urianger talking on the streets of Eulmore in EW trailer.. so I guess there's a way to jump there at least
@@AweHitero I think that was Radz At Han. Not Eulmore.
as time goes on the first, ryne must have 85 at the moment
@@patrickmccormack2770 spot on.. I now stand corrected
Jesse: " FIne, fine, fine, super dead, fine "
Ultima Thule killing every Scion: " Bonjour. "
I'm almost certain that that speech from Emet-Selch--and indeed, all of his narrations in Endwalker--are him dictating his thoughts to a memory-crystal. (Possibly, but not likely, Azem's crystal.) He's definitely speaking TO Azem though. It just happens that what he said then also speaks to us, now.
@Jay Bee ...he's *dead.* If you can think of a good reason why a dead man should start chatting us up, I'm all ears. Otherwise it's some recording or, failing that, a written document we come across, like how Count Fortemps narrated Heavensward via his memoir of the same name.
Besides, we already know the Ancients had holographic technology, we watched and listened to records left behind by Venat and her rebels in Anamnesis Anyder. So, there's your evidence: Emet-Selch, a dead NPC, gives long speeches that refer very clearly to events from the original Final Days, and we know the Ancients had voiced holograms and other recording devices. I assumed it was a crystal of some sort since, well, crystals are kind of the bread and butter of the setting, but perhaps it's some other kind of record.
I can’t wait to inevitably cry my eyes out when that first song plays in the actual game LOL
You were right!
I think the emet dialogue is just the zone narration you get, like Fortempts for HW, Lyse for SB and Ardbert for SHB. The part near the end is definitely Fandaniel speaking. I always knew his "CHAOS" schtick was just that. He was putting on a "performance", hence being so theatrical. The part with the Azem magic right after is a different person speaking, actually sounds like Fourchenalt to me, which would suggest he is very intimately aware of the pre-sundered world.
I feel like Emet's words in this trailer are quite possibly what he said to Azem when he left the Convocation
The thing I constantly think about, are players that say, finish EW before ever starting say, the Eden quest line. Has SE ever come up with plot holes in relation to side quest characters being alive “after” they die in msq/other quests. I imagine they might have for people that finish 5.3 before starting eden.
Basically, maybe they stick to killing off characters that haven’t shown up in side quests?
It’ s interesting to think about considering if you need to unlock ARR extremes you have to go and see Urianger in his cloaked form and not him in his current outfit
You’re supposed to assume that the WOL is doing those quests when they were released, in a sort of time bubble
This is anything but lore discussion based on cinematics, but idk why nobody is raising this point - SE made a whole thing about the fact that you get ONE new character in the trust system, which is estinien. That implies that adding people to it is a big deal to them, since the trust system is a big deal - the thing is, the trust system works for the whole expansion, and afaik, the leveling process is still tied to shb levels, so there is continuity, which will be there from the first till the last dungeon of the expansion.
Because of that, if the character is a part of this system, they're very unlikely to die, ending of EW or not, because there is a game system that assumes people are alive in order for it to work, post 6.0. In the case of tanks, for instance, its specially true because thancred is THE only tank the game has, unless you're forced to have graha tank, and that's literally not what he is ever pictured as during the story, he's only a filler role gap for balancing purposes, but SE wouldn't force a class on this character for 2/3 of the roles using trusts.
It sounds completely against what SE wants for this game, for instance, to have a random player choose (as an example) alisae, yshtola, thancred as the characters they'll level up, to then at 6.1/3/4/5, say that this player, in order to continue to use the Trust feature as they were, needs to go back and level a secondary character that they had no intention of doing so, because yshtola/alisae/thancred dies at the end of 6.1/3/4/5, and thus can only be played up till X dungeon, regardless of her level.
Besides, marketing wise, it would make even MORE sense for SE to market it like "estinien is arriving and plenty more characters to come!"... But that's not what they did. If anything, the fact that they would announce it beforehand would make it even more plausible for people to die, rather then fueling may argument on how nobody will.
Sidenote, but economically speaking, i also think the characters at this point just make way too much money for them. Most people don't remember people like Ysayle anymore (some do because they're watching people stream the MSQ, but most don't), and it makes zero sense for them to put them down when you can make so much goddamn money off of them still. Unlike other main line FF games, 14 is an ongoing one. It's fine if Auron, Tidus or Aerith die, because the story is self contained, with no continuous follow up. Spin offs, yes, Sequels, maybe, but they're all finished products the moment they leave the shelf - and due to its mmo nature, 14 never truly is
The voice after Fandaniel, "We will regain that world free of sorrow" or something like that, that sounds like Forchenault. Maybe he is like the Emperor, wanting the rejoining to happen.
Gods, with your comments I'm imagining a lvl 89 or 90 dungeon with You're Not Alone playing as the background music with each subzone being a part of our memories from each expansion before, to help us remember everyone that has fought at our side and muster the will to finish the fight.
It's cute how confident Jesse is in his theories and declarations still after constantly being proven wrong over the years 😜 bless him
He's riding high after calling the ending to 5.3 in 2.1
@@Snowmanse lol so did I. 🤷
In the past, Azem confronted problems by turning the problem into something they could hit.
Well, what would it take for Zenos to choose more than one primal?
He definitely has a meta view of all this- our proof of being a hero by him taking up the mantle of villain (Zenos paradox). Why stop there?
I'm of the mind that the beginning track could exist as a dungeon theme, end credits theme, or the main theme similar to dragonsong or tomorrow and tomorrow. My hope is the former or latter because we won't have to wait until the very end to hear it, but it could totally be the end credits. If I had to guess the dungeon, the aetherial sea dungeon we see fits the bill
I hope to god you're right.
I STILL GET CHILLS
11:34 in the german version she says: "Sie soll dein Wegweiser sein und dir Einblick in die Herzen anderer gewähren" which translates to "It should be your guide and give you insight into the hearts of others." So no direct mention of the flower, but because german is german one can infer that she means the flower, since she uses "Sie" which is the female 3rd person pronoun and "flower" (or bloom for that matter) use the female article, so in the english version she probably says bloom.
12:06 I also don't really see that we have to defeat hydalyn.
14:00 IIRC Nerva is the head of the 3rd legion and I think we only heard that he lost the civil war but it's never mentioned if he died or not. And in german the voiceover at that part says "The noose tightens, slowly but surely." Which is incedible meaningless xD
19:09 In the german version the voice sounds vaguely like fandaniel but very monotone without his usually theatrics, almost like he is brainwashed.
20:40 I doubt Thancred will die, he had the perfect death scene in shadowbringers and he survived. They can't top that. But I definetly agree with you that Alphinaud won't die.
And now I will draw the ire of pretty much every FF14 fan: If anyone HAS TO die, I would mind yshtola the least. But she will probably just have another fake out death.
In JP version, Fandaniel sounds like he's either in trance or is about to die while pleading to his god lol
The VAs did fantastic job with this
Hydaelyn’s eyes (assuming thats her) also become normal too I noticed. When you see her at first she’s glowing and she has the blue glow to her eyes. Then when you see her later she looks well like a normal person. I wonder what this could mean?
That woman is probably Venat, who became the heart of Hydaelyn like Elidibus was the heart of Zodiark. Glowing eyes is present, not glowing eyes is in the past in Amaurot before the summoning.
I'm willing to bet that the voices that weren't fandaniels were from the other acians who we've not met yet. We have to meet them at some point in EW if they're going to wrap this particular story up.
The "crystal dungeon" looks alot like the final section of FF9 the Crystal World where you hear a distorted version of the prelude song
I can almost garuntee you emet will be our narrator for the expansion
Great vid as always, anyone else notice the weight loss in Jesse's face, looks like the hard work is paying off my dude
17:04 Zenos just wants senpai to notice him.
The voice crying out "It WILL be ours!" sounds very much like Urianger, giving one of his once-an-expansion Urianger-Proves-Himself-Best-Boy speeches. But also, as far as Alphinaud goes, even though having him shown so overtly to be "in danger" pretty much guarantees he's fine, I'd like to see him pull a page off Louisoix's book and accidentally [or intentionally] himself into a Primal, perhaps even a Hydaelyn/Alexander-level Primal, specifically one that's not a single entity, but rather a whole army of linked entities specifically referred to as the "Crystal Braves", which would tie rather nicely with his original intentions fo the "Salvation of Eorzea".
And the boss title card for these myriad Alphinaud!Primal soldiers, even if we don't fight *against* them, could read "Unified Purpose -- Crystal Braves" (in the same vein as "Lightwarden -- Innocence" or "Chthonic Riddle -- Therion").
I'm NOT prepared!!
Alisae's quest and mark on Eorzea was left with finding a cure for tempering. What is more devastating than Alphinaud living knowing that his sister gave everything for Eorzea... just like her Grandfather.
THANK YOU ! I couldnt find what the beginning song reminded me of and thanks to you I finally have an answer. It makes me feel the same feels I got from Cowboy Bebop's ending
I think there's a chance that *is* the 13th, the post-role quests on the first introduced us to 2 people literally from the 13th and that the story there isn't over. if you haven't done that storyline I highly suggest doing it before endwalker. requires you to get one job of each role to 80 (tank/healer/melee/ranged/magical).
I have been thinking that story could be foreshadowing the next adventure starting with 6.1.
I think the Emet Selch dialog at the beginning is going to be the narration for the last area. As I'm thinking it may be the inside of the moon or something to that affect ala FF4. The last couple sentences being the driving force in this theory. "Descent" and "depths of where souls and stars rest", maybe the aetherial sea?
Regardless I really like his narration, like he's trying to comfort us for what comes ahead.
Also, I think that is Fandaniel for that first bit, and in the JP trailer it sounds like it's ONLY Fandaniel. However in the ENG trailer I think that second voice is Alphis dad. I think all the Sharlayans may already know they are sundered ancients, and much like the ascians are also striving for the rejoinings, which is why they have the bomb shelter and have the non intervention thing.
I think you're right the first emet selch line is end credits narration. But I think the 2nd where he talks about descent and find your truth is 100% the intro naration to the final zone which I think will be the aetherial sea.
Holy cow, didnt ever think about the end credits thing. You are so right, makes me think of Spacelion, or what was it Blue?
This gave me chills watching, both versions.
Seeing Papalymo at 18:02 made me leap out of my seat even if it was just a flash back. After all these years, I still miss you :(
After watching the japanese trailer and english trailer a thousand times i noticed something weird. Right at the end, where Fandaniel is speaking in the japanese trailer im pretty sure he said zodiark before starting to give the speech and after that comes emelt saying "the final chapter of the tale of this star" right? but in the japanese one, it doesnt seem to be emelt talking. The voice is much deeper than the narration that the japanese emelt gave in the beggining of the japanese trailer and from what i understood, my japanese is not great so i may be wrong here, but he seems to be saying "Do you want me to destroy it? This beautiful world?" I think thats Zodiark talking. What do you think?
Yeah I noticed that too and I think you are right that it is zodark who speaks there
The crystal-esque dungeon kinda reminds me of Memoria from FFIX, and the part with Xenos and the MC in the seat reminds me of Pandemonium also from FFIX.
100% right on the cousin, that is definitely Nerva. Some of us think he is the "Dreamer" mentioned by Zenos and Fandaniel.
I feel like this has been the best take on the trailer that makes the most sense so far.
i think the voice at 19:07 sounds vaguely like forchenault yelling if I had to guess? It definitely sounds like two distinct voices to me but that really only raises even more questions
Emet's lines in this seem *way* more likely to be a speech he's given in the past during the final days, given we're definitely going back to the final days and witnessing it from *you know who's* point of view. We're probably going to witness Emet giving this speech with Dionysus (Azem,) to Icarus (Elidibus,) to bolster/soothe his spirits and assure him this is not the real final days, which will be applicable to us moving into this end. That or it is a message left for us within the soulstone of Azem by Emet in his final moments as a "in case you proved triumphant," speech to bolster our spirits and show us the path we must take.
A cool thing I noticed is you can clearly see Cirina and Sadu in the background when Blue Hair charges Lucia. Full glad am I that we are bringing everyone along on this final apocalyptic adventure.
At 15:24 in this video, the shot of your character and the Scions going into that dungeon... The floor looks like a transition from the dark ground I've always associated with Zodiark, into the light crystal ground that seems to be associated with Hydaelyn. That struck me as interesting.
alphi death flag was already there since 5.5
Could you remind me how?
My theory about Emet Selch speaking is that it's actually a flashback we will get. I think it likely we will see some light Azem stuff.
Side note, not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but that shot of alphie and alisaie leaning on one another? They have these devices on their necks that aren’t normally there. If you look, they’re actually the Alphascape neck gear from the Omega raids!
Also the voice yelling about “we will have it again!” is 100% Fourchenault.
Just clocked that the blue haired garlean is the source version of Ran-jit's suburdanate, i wonder if we will see more reflections of characters we have already met.
I don’t really comment on videos but-I’d like to share my theories!
1- The WOL regaining memories from his Azem crystal of his past relationships and involvements with the convocation. It may show us Azem denying big purple daddy and leaving.
2- Something I’d like to see is the WOL asking why the lady in white gave him the blessing of light; since Azem apposed both summoning and still she involved him into this war against light and dark.
3- A showdown with the twins father, since I’ve been raising his kids for him and protecting them.
4- the twins mom makes us pie and we all eat it at the end with everyone is alive and happy, smiling even. (This is me trying to cope with the obvious death flags.)
You mentioned the scene with Zenos standing in front of the WoL being similar to one from ff9...and the last shot of the trailer has 9 frames with the character's faces lol...my other thinking before even the trailer was the theme of anima and despair fits quite well with Fandaniel, and in the one shot of him looking up, it looks to me at least, like he has no legs, kinda like Anima?
I also wonder if the quote about descent in to darkness, if its about future stuff like you said Jesse, maybe it could be referring to how the 6.1 raid is essentially the underworld.
13:05 Not sure if anyone else has seen this yet, but this brief part that shows off the Reaper shows more of the area with the black orbs floating in the sky. The important part is that it looks like there are two boats in the background. I think the ocean, or at least part of it, has been drained of water.
Both sad and excited to see how this story ends.
Also excited to see what comes after this story arch.
Ff14 does such a fantastic job with its story telling.
It feels like a very long time since a game of this caliber of story has come out, and especially for an MMO.
Hate to say this but to me Alphi has Red shirt 2 days from retirement going on 1 last mission vibe to him. That's how many flags i'm seeing :(
But then again could all be deliberately misleading us to think that. At least we'll know for sure in 5ish weeks.
Ngl, Zenos' eyes looking like they do makes me think he's been tempered but is somehow still sane or is somehow fused and or connected with whatever started the tempering that the weird towers do.
Zeno’s eyes are like that cause he has the artificial garlean Echo. Fordolas eyes also glow like that when her fake echo activates.
22 minutes? Let's GOOOOOOO! Give us that juicy hidden lore you notice.