That weird switch which nobody could figure out - Beat Cut!?

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  • Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
  • Exploring that one weird switch or button on your stereo system or boombox which you probably never knew the purpose of, or didn't even notice.
    Time flow:
    0:00 Introduction
    1:10 Ambiguous terminology
    3:03 Bias explained
    4:41 Why it's needed
    7:12 Example of its use
    8:04 Beat Cut alternatives
    9:59 Real-world sample
    11:36 Still exists today!
    12:25 Conclusion
    #cassette #boombox #beats
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  • @endingman
    @endingman Год назад +565

    Obviously they couldn't use "Beat Off" as the nomenclature for that switch.

    • @danny-li6io
      @danny-li6io Год назад +11

      😂 nice!

    • @erictaylor5462
      @erictaylor5462 Год назад +33

      It's like on a fishing boat. They never call the person in charged of the bait the "Master Baiter"

    • @3rdalbum
      @3rdalbum Год назад +7

      They should have called it "Whistle Out"

    • @Wstarlights
      @Wstarlights Год назад +10

      "Sometimes you just gotta 'choke the chicken' when recording AM radio" ~ every AM radio recording enthusiast ever.

    • @SalMinella
      @SalMinella Год назад +2

      Kinky

  • @ok4todd
    @ok4todd Год назад +412

    Dude. You took the time to demonstrate for the world a puzzling mystery for me and my generation of radio geeks. Thank you!

    • @frankd.4528
      @frankd.4528 Год назад +4

      Agreed. I would’ve paid to know what the beat cancel button meant on my boom box on 1980!

    • @blaircox1589
      @blaircox1589 Год назад +3

      Lol, would have been helpful three decades ago! 😂

    • @AstrosElectronicsLab
      @AstrosElectronicsLab Год назад +1

      I figured it out a few years in to my adulthood and experimentation with radio receivers (building them and such) that they were referring to "beat frequency". But, when I was 10, I was just as perplexed as to what is this "beat" switch for as switching it on or off did nothing.

    • @SofaKingShit
      @SofaKingShit Год назад +1

      Before the internet you just had to ask around. Any book at the public library which might have helped was already stolen and that was that. Nowadays no one on You Tube even knows what a library is any more.

    • @lunarmodule6419
      @lunarmodule6419 Год назад

      Exactly!

  • @volvo480
    @volvo480 Год назад +170

    I have been tinkering with radios and recording since I was a kid and those devices were new, have a full amateur radio license and have a degree in high frequency electronic engineering AND I NEVER KNEW UNTIL TODAY WHERE THAT SWITCH WAS FOR! Thank you for explaining this unusual but very useful feature. 😅

  • @disgruntledfaerie
    @disgruntledfaerie Год назад +70

    Having parts of your narration play from cassettes was a really cool touch in this!

  • @Recordology
    @Recordology Год назад +229

    I think it’s interesting that over the years they didn’t come out with a marketing term that would explain its function better for people who had no idea. Something like “Radio Noise Reduction” akin to Dolby.

    • @rijjhb9467
      @rijjhb9467 Год назад +36

      Sony got close: ISS "interference suppression switch"

    • @GaryKeepItSimple
      @GaryKeepItSimple Год назад +8

      @@rijjhb9467 The term Beat is technically correct it is a beat frequency.

    • @Owyn_Merrilin
      @Owyn_Merrilin Год назад +21

      @@GaryKeepItSimple And the technically correct term for what Dolby Noise Reduction does is compansion, but they sure as hell didn't market it as a compander to the general public.

    • @andrewstewart8704
      @andrewstewart8704 Год назад +10

      The all new (beat) function allows you to cut the whining noise when recording AM stations lol
      Marketing timing 50 years too late lol

    • @AstrosElectronicsLab
      @AstrosElectronicsLab Год назад +1

      Why would they. It's like "2000W PMPO" found on boom boxes in the late '90's, early 2000's. No one actually knew what that meant, either - except maybe for people like me. Another fictitious marketing measurement of perceived output power. It's interesting that they can get 2000 watts from an amplifier that was running on 12V maximum producing under 3 watts.

  • @kpanic23
    @kpanic23 Год назад +53

    When recording from FM radio it's actually the opposite: The 19kHz pilot tone of the stereo multiplex interferes with the bias frequency or the frequency of the erase head, causing a beat frequency resulting in an audible whine. That's what the MPX filter is for: It's just a notch filter that removes the 19kHz pilot tone and the 38kHz subcarrier.

    • @davidg4288
      @davidg4288 Год назад +6

      The 19kHz can also interfere with Dolby noise reduction when recording tapes.
      I also discovered another use for the MPX filter, some CD's and even LP's were very hard to record, they'd produce distortion on cymbals when recording. Changing the bias and recording levels reduced but would not eliminate the problem. Other cassette decks and even reel to reel would also have the problem. I finally realized frequencies in the cymbal sound were mixing with the tape bias in a nonlinear way and producing an unpleasant sound. I don't know if this was intentional analog copy protection or just an artifact. MPX filter would almost completely solve the problem even though the recording was from CD or LP and not FM stereo.

    • @circattle
      @circattle Год назад +3

      @@davidg4288 Did this happen mainly with rock music recordings? I guess the reason is because the drum sounds and cymbals are always very compressed on that genre of music making them consistently loud at a relatively high level. That would do it.

    • @davidg4288
      @davidg4288 Год назад +2

      @@circattle This was a long time ago, I recall it happening in progressive rock and fusion jazz which was NOT very compressed but did have all the highs they could record. Recording at a lower level did not fix it, it was more frequency than loudness related. I no longer have working tape machines to test with.

    • @shipsahoy1793
      @shipsahoy1793 Год назад

      BNMRR .. Beat Noise Mitigation for Radio Recording!😉

  • @EddieJazzFan
    @EddieJazzFan Год назад +89

    This was very well done and explained so you can easily understand. Next, you should do a video on the "MPX' filter button on cassette decks.

    • @CraigTube
      @CraigTube Год назад +5

      Yes, sort of a related topic but different.

    • @nakazul1
      @nakazul1 Год назад +3

      Yes please, if anybody can make me understand MPX it is Mr VW 👌

    • @eDoc2020
      @eDoc2020 Год назад +13

      MPX is FM stereo. It works with a nearly inaudible 19kHz carrier tone which could beat with the recorder's bias oscillator. The MPX filter removes this high frequency so this doesn't happen.

    • @Anon-fv9ee
      @Anon-fv9ee Год назад +4

      MPX is short for "multiplex". An FM signal can have up to 6 signals mixed together - L+R, 19kHz pilot, L-R, 57kHz RDS (scrolling text) plus 2 hidden subcarriers at 67kHz & 92kHz. I've never seen an MPX filter button but it would work on the same principle. I have seen MPX line-out sockets on vintage Sonys (mid-70's). This was when FM was new and allowed outboard equipment to decode the stereo or subcarriers.

    • @chrislawuk
      @chrislawuk Год назад

      @@Anon-fv9ee wow, that’s very cool. As fascinating as the Beat Cut issue although I never saw an MPX marking on the many radio recorders I had growing up, unlike Beat Cut which was a constant mystery. I’d love to know what the optional FM subcarriers were used for - audio? Surely not? Do the illuminati have their own commercial free versions of popular radio stations? Military use?

  • @dukeofthebump
    @dukeofthebump Год назад +47

    For anyone who doesn't know, "beat" in this sense can refer to the observable difference between *any* two frequencies, not just audio (although audio is where the term is encountered most often, which no doubt adds to the confusion with the musical homonym.) But for example, if the turn signals on two cars seem to be flashing in sync, but the signal on car A is just a little bit slower and starts flashing more and more behind that of car B, you're seeing the signals' beat frequency

    • @crabby7668
      @crabby7668 Год назад +14

      Pilots of multi engined bombers during ww2 used to synchronise their engines to prevent the loud "pulsing" of the beat frequencies between the engines. Allegedly the Germans didn't bother so much and people could tell the difference between formations of German and allied planes because the German aircraft had a distinctive drone caused by the beats.

    • @paulh5293
      @paulh5293 Год назад +4

      100%. If it's of interest: before the days of digital tuning meters this is exactly how pipe-organ tuners used to "lay down" the middle octave of a set of pipes, playing fifths and fourths - each interval between 2 notes should have a specific number of "beats" (different for each two notes) in the same way as you describe. Once you've laid the bearings of that reference octave, you then simply tune the rest to exact octaves of each note with no beat audible.

    • @crabby7668
      @crabby7668 Год назад +4

      Irc another example is when you see wheels or propellers in films, slow right down or even reverse as the vehicle is moving. This happens because the "frame speed" or frequency of the camera is interacting with the frequency of rotation of the wheel or propellor. When the frequencies get close to each other, you start to see the beat frequency or difference between them. This is what gives the odd looking effects and can often be seen best in old movies with stage coaches or steam trains with spoked wheels.

    • @TheParadiseParadox
      @TheParadiseParadox Год назад +1

      In music I have heard it referred to as "beating" which can be a clearer term

    • @Intimatycal
      @Intimatycal Год назад

      @@crabby7668 not true. Germans used tiny propelers on their wings that would create siren-like sounds during high speed dives so they can psychologically dominate over people by frightening them further more. Look it up

  • @toasTr0n
    @toasTr0n Год назад +14

    Finally! The answer to one of those technical quandaries that used to drive me crazy, and an answer I had all but forgotten that I wanted to know. LOL! I wish I had been able to solve this about 35 years ago, but better late than never. Although I am unlikely to ever use one of these switches again, this satisfies me greatly. Great demonstration, too. Thank you! 😁

  • @lukasgayer5393
    @lukasgayer5393 Год назад +2

    This video fixed my childhood! And I am pretty sure not just my childhood. Thanks for the explanation!

  • @judsonleach5248
    @judsonleach5248 Год назад +8

    OK!.... "It's Official" - You are NOW my New Hero! - They NEVER taught is this stuff back at Berklee in Boston in the 80s! - So GLAD I found your channel!!! 🙂

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem Год назад +48

    A long time ago back when I was a kid I didn't know what that button did, so I tried it and smoke came out! It was obviously faulty but for a long time after that I stayed away from ever using that on anything else that had it.

  • @Earcandy73
    @Earcandy73 Год назад +9

    Great explanation! While living in the UK, I had a 1980 mono radio-cassette recorder manufactured by PYE. The beat switch was labeled RIF. Later on, here in NJ I received a crappy Soundesign boombox (1988). It had a beat-cut switch.

  • @GeneSavage
    @GeneSavage Год назад +7

    I NEVER knew the difference in the sound quality of certain recorders was DC bias vs. AC bias. Holy crud! This video amped up my knowledge in several areas. Thank you!!

  • @Narayan_1996
    @Narayan_1996 Год назад +14

    This video was so nice to watch, I love both cassettes and AM/FM Radio, I used to record music from the air broadcasts of my city on my tapes back when I was a kid, and oh boy, I miss those days with my little and cheap Lennox all-in-one.

  • @needfortweed8734
    @needfortweed8734 Год назад +12

    I have not had this problem (Radio stations here in Norway typically used FM, and those were the ones I recorded off of) but I am still thrilled that I now know more about recording and radio and such. So thank you for that, mr. Westlife.

  • @thomaslau8806
    @thomaslau8806 Год назад +6

    Thank you for the explanation, my younger self back in the 80's always wonder what the beat cut switch did.

  • @JaredConnell
    @JaredConnell Год назад +8

    I dont even own any tapes, records, or even cds anymore but i love watching your channel on subjects like this! Thanks for all the entertaining and educational videos!

  • @KeepsOnBurning
    @KeepsOnBurning Год назад +2

    More than 30 years I have been waiting for this explanation. Thank you so much.

  • @error52
    @error52 Год назад +11

    I remember I found what that switch is for, when I read the manual for my favorite soviet boombox - the VEF 260. That thing is an excellent AM receiver, with the regular medium wave band split in two for better selectivity, so the engineers who designed it put some care in explaining what the bias switch does. The switch has three positions, but what was NOT explained was that it would shift the bias frequency enough to allow recording on chrome tapes.

  • @MrZedblade
    @MrZedblade Год назад +15

    I grew up in the 80s and 90s. I think I owned (or more likely my parents owned) at least two of the exact stereos shown in this video. I used to record music from the radio all the time. I had no idea what that "beat"/"iss" button did. It only took like 40 years but now I finally understand it!

    • @Hydra360ci
      @Hydra360ci Год назад +1

      yeah... well... who in the 80 and 90's recorded from AM, regardless?

  • @stevie.dx1710
    @stevie.dx1710 Год назад +6

    This is such an informative and fun channel. I actually knew about this and used it all the time on a JVC boombox with AM/FM/SW in the early 80s. It was labeled BFO. Loved those days.

    • @stevie.dx1710
      @stevie.dx1710 Год назад

      @@gorak9000 Beat Frequency Oscillator. But you were close. LOL

  • @duprie37
    @duprie37 Год назад +15

    I remember back in 1985 I was 12 years old and had saved up for months & months to buy a boombox costing AU$120 (AU$390 in today's money). It looked a lot like the one you used to show what DC bias sounds like. When I got home I was so disappointed and took it back saying the record function is broken, it sounds all hissy and distorted. So they gave me another unit, different brand, same build. It had exactly the same problem and I took it back again. This time the salesman got annoyed with me: "what are you talking about, it works fine, I can't hear a thing!" I played him the hissy FM recording & he stood there saying he couldn't hear anything. He must have known it was DC bias that was causing it. But anyway I had to keep it. These days I know what the issue was: they were indeed using cheap DC bias circuits in many "cheap" mid-80s boomboxes. Unbelievable that they were charging the equivalent of $400 for such a rubbish product! I was so upset I didn't buy another boombox for 4 years. Everyone's nostalgic for 80s gear now but it was mostly just one massive scam as I remember it. The quality of audio gear you can get for a fraction of the price nowadays is just incredible.

    • @AVERYhornyMrDinosaur
      @AVERYhornyMrDinosaur Год назад

      everything's still a scam.. the target just moved away from sound systems a bit

    • @jenx5870
      @jenx5870 Год назад

      I am your age. I have misophonia, and I have very sensitive ears, but I also have extremely good hearing. I can hear people whispering across a room when I teach classes (I am an RN trainer, and sometimes surprise my students when I hear what they say). The point is, my ears picked up everything when the music coming out of a cassette or record player was good or bad. My parents had both good and bad stereos, and I had a good Walkman growing up. There weren't scams, unless you bought from a less than reputable dealer who gave you a fake product. There were, however, limitations in the technology available back then. We didn't have the dehissers that we have now, the ability to compress like we do now, etc. It was limited in the recording, so the sound coming out was less than ideal, therefore, the sound we heard was less than ideal. Stereo was a newer concept, and the mono songs were being converted. Some hiss was expected, because that was part of the original recording process, and needed to be removed by using the dials on your equipment and dialing the treble and bass, etc. Audiophiles, such as myself, have grown to love the familiar pops and crackles of vinyl. It's the imperfections of recordings that bring them to life. It's nostalgia. If you go back and listen to the original recordings, you will hear those same hissy (and in the case of mono, tinny) imperfections. It is what it is. The music was far superior back then, despite the technological recording limitations. We had creativity on our side. I will take the 80s any day.

  • @RacerX-
    @RacerX- Год назад +5

    Nice clear explanation. I did always wonder about it back in the 80s but I never recorded AM. Still, it’s nice to get an explanation decades later. Thanks!

  • @chupathingy5862
    @chupathingy5862 Год назад +3

    You ought to archive these tapes! How fascinating!
    Thanks for solving this mystery, I've always wondered about that.

    • @vwestlife
      @vwestlife  Год назад

      The tapes *are* my archive. They've lasted longer than any computer or CD-R I could've transferred them onto.

  • @AudioMobil
    @AudioMobil Год назад +4

    Thank you very much this video! For many years I've seen these switches again and again...but never could figure out any difference when turning them to a different position (because I never recorded AM radio).

  • @nazznomad
    @nazznomad Год назад +5

    I'm amazed and blown away that you even thought of a video like this. Only you Sir and what a great video !

  • @vanhetgoor
    @vanhetgoor Год назад +15

    I think it was somewhere around the year 2006 when AM radio was switched off for over here in Holland. I live approximately 15 kilometers from where a big transmission site was, one megaWatt of power and all over the band there were hums and hisses, clicks and tones, everything else was completely unlistenable caused by the disturbance.
    Recently I bought again an AM radio and to my surprise the disturbance was gone and so where all AM radio stations, I knew that the biggest part of them were closing down, but I never bothered to try. Now there is some talk radio in foreign languages and so now and then a far away station with unrecognisable local pop music. It sounds like going on a holiday, then I always listen to whatever station that is on the air. Recipes and politics in French and people worrying about nothing important. Goodbye AM, it was nice 40 years ago, but not any more.

    • @JesperD87
      @JesperD87 Год назад +4

      I'm also from The Netherlands, the last high power AM transmitter here was switched off in 2019: 1008 kHz from the Flevoland transmitter. Originally 400 kW daytime power, only 100 kW or so in the later years. Shortly after the final closedown, the transmitter was demolished. It was a nice piece of engineering, an anti fading antenna transmitting on both 747 and 1008 kHz, 400 kW each. 747 went off air in 2015.
      Nowadays, several low power AM stations are legally on air all over the country on numerous frequencies, power levels between 1 W and 100 W. Maybe one of them is nearby, maybe you're able to receive several after dark. I like that :) Apart from that, I tune in to Radio Caroline on 648 kHz broadcasting from Orfordness, UK from time to time. One of the few music stations transmitting on AM/medium wave.

    • @vanhetgoor
      @vanhetgoor Год назад +2

      @@JesperD87 Yes, it was a year in the two thousand range, the programmes were aimed at elderly women ("de Muzikale Fruitmand" and that programme with Willy Walden and Ase Rasmussen, "Raad een Lied of Niet").

    • @RealEpikCartfrenYT
      @RealEpikCartfrenYT Год назад +1

      I'm from Bosnia. I sometimes catch a Romanian AM station but they seem to be exclusively a talk show station. Other times, when I'm out in the field, I catch a (I think) military station all the way from Russia at night.

  • @BradTheProducer
    @BradTheProducer Год назад +6

    In the 90's, I inherited my dad's 1982 F100 pickup that only had an AM radio in it (the kind with the 5 preset buttons that go KER-CHUNK when you press them.) The only station I could stand listening to that wasn't Hits of the 50's or hardline conservative talk radio was Radio Disney. But that station always had a high-pitched squeal that directly lined up with how hard I was pressing the gas pedal. So as I was accelerating, the sound would drown out whatever S Club 7 sounding stuff I was trying to rock out to. Now I think I understand what was happening.

    • @brianleeper5737
      @brianleeper5737 Год назад

      High pitched squeals that change with the engine speed are almost always due to alternator noise. Either the radio or the alternator had a problem.

  • @TorontoJon
    @TorontoJon Год назад +3

    Thanks, VWestlife, for your in-depth video about the beat cut switch. I recall seeing that switch on some of my previous boomboxes from the mid-1980's to the 90's (Prosonic, Samsung, Fisher, etc.) and never understood what it was for.
    Now I know and knowing is half the battle. G.I. Joe!
    All the best. :)

  • @atomicagegamer3693
    @atomicagegamer3693 Год назад +7

    Holy Crow; that was a good explanation! Just based on the term "Beat Cut", I would have thought that it had something to do with adding blank sound, before the start of a recording, which wasn't even close.

  • @gideon3648
    @gideon3648 Год назад +14

    An excellent video. Despite being big into recording I never knew this, but then pretty much all my radio recordings were from FM and like many others I obviously didn't read manuals as fully as I could have. Thinking about it, I feel the switch should really be called AM Whine Cut.

    • @circattle
      @circattle Год назад

      @Vaquero357 But that is superheterodyne beating caused by two stations in close proximity, rather than that caused by the tape bias oscillator. I think the marketing departments of these products wouldn't want to claim they are solving that problem which is actually most of the whistling sounds on AM.

  • @Taketimeout3
    @Taketimeout3 Год назад +15

    I truly learned something today. And just because you have spoken about them the under appreciated cheap end stereo systems of the 80s might get the respect they deserve. There were some great systems produced round then, like the Aria FX series, even the cheapest FX 20 came with a neat linear tracking turntable. No kidding.

  • @straightpipediesel
    @straightpipediesel Год назад +3

    Many ham radios and high-end shortwave radios have a "beat shift" or "clock shift" as well. The interference is from the local oscillators and CPU clocks. With CPUs, IFs, and internal buses now in the tens to hundreds of MHz, it can affect VHF/FM radio, and similarly, the feature changes oscillator frequency slightly to place the "birdies" off the frequency you're listening to. Most modern radios have firmware that automatically activates this when you punch in a problematic frequency, so you'd never know it's being used.

  • @paolorams767
    @paolorams767 Год назад +2

    thanks for this video, I always asked about it, but I never found a so clear and easy explanation

  • @Hotpack7279
    @Hotpack7279 Год назад +4

    You solved a mystery for me I never knew I had. 😂

  • @coondogtheman
    @coondogtheman Год назад +4

    I've had a few stereos that had this beat cut switch but I could never figure out what it did. I now know thanks to your video.
    Back in the 80s my parents had a JCPenney stereo system which was a receiver, a tape deck, and turntable up top.
    I remember it having those function symbols in blue on your stereo seen in the beginning of the video but clear because they lit up on a gray background when a function is selected.

  • @2011joser
    @2011joser Год назад +4

    Thank you for solving a 40 year old question for me. That switch has mystified me since my first boombox.

  • @MacPhantom
    @MacPhantom Год назад +10

    This was a genuinely good and informative video, even if AM is pretty much dead where I normally live.
    I just recently even came across beat cut switches and at some point even mistakenly assumed they were for signal rewiring to cancel the centre portion of a stereo song (i.e., cut out vocals on cheap Karaoke systems). D'oh!

  • @michelealessandrini3421
    @michelealessandrini3421 Год назад +4

    My god I had it too in the 80s and never had any idea of what it was! But here in Italy AM radio was never used, even back then. I remember asking my cousin (expert in all kind of audio equipment) and he was like "uh sure that's... uhm... the beat... cut" and changed topic 😂

  • @JeffBreyer
    @JeffBreyer Год назад +3

    I had always wondered what that was. I had played around with it thinking beat cut literally meant it cut the drum beat out of a song. Of course it didn't. Thanks for sharing this!

  • @PascalGienger
    @PascalGienger Год назад +7

    I learned now that "beat" or "beat frequency" is what is called in German "Schwebung" - the amplitude changing signal resulting in two frequencies next to each other. The amplitude changing frequency is then approximately the difference of the two involved frequencies (in first order).
    Was an effect very used by musicians on their analog synthesizers ;-)

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад +1

      The English technical term is “heterodyne”. Also used as the basis for higher-frequency radio receivers (e.g. FM).

  • @dav1dbone
    @dav1dbone Год назад +6

    Wow, never knew that, also think there could be a reason to do a video on bias too, maybe comparing different methods and frequencies, could also record in Audacity and pitch shift so we can hear different AC bias signals, cool!

  • @cptnpycho
    @cptnpycho Год назад +3

    Love the videos!!! Everything you post is both informative and educational. Thanks for taking the time to make these, even if it’s simple stuff.
    Greeting from Northeast PA

  • @Lachlant1984
    @Lachlant1984 Год назад +2

    I've owned several stereos with a beat cut switch, when the time I was about 9 or 10 I discovered that if I was recording on AM radio and played with the switch, I'd hear that whistling noise, I have a recording of a radio program on a tape and I was playing with the beat cut switch while recording, so you hear lots of whistling noises. I remember Mum had a Sanyo portable stereo with a beat cut switch, and I remember recording on it in around 1991 and the switch was set in the wrong place, so all through that recording, you hear that bloody howling noise. I was only 7, so I didn't understand that I needed to change the switch setting. My own tape recorders were DC Bias, so didn't need a beat cut switch. This video makes me wish RUclips had been around in the 90s. BTW, I love your collection of radios and tape recorders, I wish I had more like that. I have a Sony CFD-S28L that has, I believe, 5 ISS settings, and I never knew what that did. Mind you I've never used that unit to record AM radio, only FM.

  • @ctrlaltrees
    @ctrlaltrees Год назад +2

    What a fascinating video - today I finally learned what the mysterious "beat cut" was all about! Thanks! 🙂

  • @jeremyzenkar8996
    @jeremyzenkar8996 Год назад +2

    "...I know this topic may be of diminishing relevance..." It certainly isn't. This is an excellent representation of the phase shift in frequencies that college physics students learn about that you can hear. When you are doing the calculations, it's hard to visualize what they mean. This is a great tutorial.

  • @kaitlyn__L
    @kaitlyn__L Год назад +4

    Always wondered why it was sometimes called an oscillator switch. I’d assumed it introduced a 180° out of phase signal into the tape recording to filter out something from the radio, didn’t realise it was the tape deck’s own bias frequency. Slightly altering the frequency so it’s no longer harmonic makes much more sense than a phase inversion too, especially since you need the switch in one position for some frequencies, another for others, and makes no difference in yet others.
    Nice demonstration. Also makes your recent poll contextualised ;) I always saw MW called AM or AM/MW here because I’m a child of the 90s, but had figured it was “medium” by means of exclusion from being included alongside SW and LW even though it wasn’t labelled MW on my dad’s fancy receiver.

  • @pcno2832
    @pcno2832 Год назад +2

    I remember those switches. I think there was even one one, or the markings for one, on a boombox that had a flip-out erase magnet and wouldn't have needed such a switch. The other mysterious switch I remember from that era was the "stereo wide" switch, which emphasized the sounds that were different from left to right, making the stereo effect more pronounced, despite the close spacing between the speakers. It was a cool feature, but if the speakers had been angled out on more boomboxes, there would have been less of a need for it.

  • @hello_world777
    @hello_world777 Год назад +4

    Great video! Thanks for the knowledge!

  • @garp32
    @garp32 Год назад +5

    Great job explaining that. I myself have always wondered what that was all about. Very cool you had some real life samples and could duplicate the issue. Thanks for the new wrinkle in my brain!

  • @gordonwelcher9598
    @gordonwelcher9598 Год назад +4

    As an amateur radio operator I immediately recognized the function.

  • @Linuxpunk81
    @Linuxpunk81 Год назад +4

    😂Wow I don't remember this at all, probably because I would never have used it. But as soon as you mentioned AM radio I knew exactly what it was for 😊I could hear the AM beat in my head, my mom used to listen to a lot of am radio, she was older and AM played music from the 40s and 50s etc. Great video 🖖

  • @danny-li6io
    @danny-li6io Год назад +3

    Thank you so much for addressing this! It’s an unsolved mystery from a crappy boom box I had as a child. The completely unnecessary, meaningless “beat cancel” switch. It was only to fill space.

  • @freemanconnell8134
    @freemanconnell8134 Год назад +3

    Great explanation, thanks! I have not recorded off AM in 40+ years but good to know exactly what that little beat cut button did, not to mention its the same as OSC, ISS, etc. 😊

  • @nickvickers3486
    @nickvickers3486 Год назад +2

    Fascinating video, I didn't know what it was for either! What I do know is that after seeing this many folks will be flocking to MW, popping in a tape, pressing record and seeing if their old machine rocks a 'beat cut' facility... Let the good times and the cassette decks roll!))

  • @bobblum5973
    @bobblum5973 Год назад +5

    The "beat" is basically beating two signals together. It's the "B" in BFO, the Beat Frequency Oscillator, which mixes a second signal with a received single sideband (SSB) one to allow it to be heard normally.

  • @M6GOF
    @M6GOF Год назад +2

    A brilliant video. I always wondered what the hell this function was on portable stereos back in the day, and it was also poorly described. It's been a question circling around in my brain for years.
    Thanks dude.

  • @steeviebops
    @steeviebops Год назад +2

    Great video, I never knew what this switch did either! Since you mentioned long wave, the Irish station on 252 kHz (RTÉ Radio 1) is closing it's LW transmitter on Friday 14th April, less than two weeks away. Not much left although BBC Radio 4 on 198 kHz is still clinging on for now.

  • @Choralone422
    @Choralone422 Год назад +2

    I have always wondered what the purpose of those switches were on radios from decades ago. I never did record anything from AM onto cassette tapes so I never figured this out. Excellent explanation and demonstrations too!

  • @ceticobr
    @ceticobr Год назад +3

    I love these mystery solving videos by VWestlife. Now I know.

  • @KarlAdamsAudio
    @KarlAdamsAudio Год назад +4

    Very well explained. I would imagine that the 'correct' setting moves the beat frequency above the audible range. I suppose it would even have been possible to automate this - with a modern radio tuner having a digital display, there's enough information available to pick a bias frequency that won't beat in the audible range without requiring user input, not that this would have ever been cost-effective in the sort of devices that actually needed it.

  • @denmoer
    @denmoer Год назад +2

    This is the most useful video on RUclips I have ever watched, I have a GPX AM FM & tape player, I bought way back in the 80s, "still works LOL", it has a Beat switch on the end by the power input cord, never in my life, could I figure out what it did, thanks to you video, I now can get a good night sleep, without the perplexed worry I always felt from that Beat unsolved mystery

  • @atrainradio929
    @atrainradio929 Год назад +5

    Thank you VWestlife for making these well done videos on topics few know about.

  • @davidsmall6322
    @davidsmall6322 Год назад +3

    Excellent stuff.
    Always good. But, this one in particular scratched a very deep itch.

  • @albertocabezas282
    @albertocabezas282 Год назад +1

    This is the clearest and cleanest explanation about this mysterious button. Thank you very much.

  • @Sierra747
    @Sierra747 Год назад +3

    Very interesting. I’ve seen those buttons years ago in the 80’s and 90’s on my old boom box radios but as never recorded off mw radio I didn’t need it not that I knew what it did back then anyway!

  • @HannuPulli
    @HannuPulli Год назад +3

    Nice to know, I remember seeing such a swich and also wondering about the purpose of those loop antennas.

  • @16mmDJ
    @16mmDJ Год назад +1

    Thanks for taking the time to share this with us!

  • @TechNoPhobiaGirl
    @TechNoPhobiaGirl Год назад +2

    Awesome video, as always, my friend! I'm astounded at how much WORK/TIME/EFFORT you put into your fantastic demonstrations! You are to be COMMENDED! :)

  • @rsmith8119
    @rsmith8119 Год назад +2

    Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I never knew either!

  • @zaphodb777
    @zaphodb777 Год назад +3

    I always wanted a SW boom box with a BFO. Beat cutting is fine, and thanks for telling us. But I like to be able to listen to SSB transmissions too. :)

  • @peterbradburn9115
    @peterbradburn9115 Год назад +3

    Thank you for making this. Always wondered what it was supposed to do. In UK, in the mid eighties when I was recording from the radio, pretty much all music stations had gone to FM, or VHF as we liked to call it, so no wonder couldn't work out what it did

  • @Ian97469
    @Ian97469 Год назад +1

    I used this for the first time on Friday to make a posterity recording of RTE 1 on 252kHz longwave using a Siemens RK770. As soon as I pressed record I got a loud whine, but having watched this video just a few days before I knew what to do! Perfect! Thank you! (The SWLing Post brought me here).

  • @jasonwilliams6005
    @jasonwilliams6005 Год назад +2

    I have it on my RCA boombox. Never knew what it was until now.

  • @tallyankeegal
    @tallyankeegal Год назад +1

    I have been a electronics hobbyist over 50 YEARS and I Learn something, thanks! 👍

  • @z400b
    @z400b Год назад +5

    In the Uk AM radio started being replaced in the 80s with most major stations swiching in that decade leaving some duplicate stations talk radio or smaller on AM. My recordings back in the 80s I always made off fm stations as they were stereo and no AM stations were. Thus the beat cut swich never got used, though I might deliberately try it out now.😂

    • @lawrencedoliveiro9104
      @lawrencedoliveiro9104 Год назад

      Consider that DAB can offer FM-or-better quality within the same bandwidth as an AM signal. The MW band offers better range than FM/VHF/UHF ones; wouldn’t it be handy to be able to put some DAB stations on the MW band?

  • @damnperrys1
    @damnperrys1 Год назад +2

    Thank you so much for improving my knowledge! I humbly thank you for your efforts!

  • @barthandelus8340
    @barthandelus8340 Год назад +2

    40 years later, I finally find out what that means. I can rest easy now. Thank you!

  • @richmorrison8194
    @richmorrison8194 Год назад +1

    I used to work in retail electronics and did not have a friggin' clue what that beat cut switch was for. I too looked through the manuals for an explanation to no avail. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

  • @dougbrowning82
    @dougbrowning82 Год назад +3

    It becomes more confusing when, as on a couple of units in the video, the same switch has multiple functions, ie: tape playback eq, ISS mode, and FM stereo mode.

  • @TheVintageApplianceEmporium
    @TheVintageApplianceEmporium Год назад +1

    Wow, you learn something new every day. Thank you! Always wondered what that switch did

  • @TheOriginalCollectorA1303
    @TheOriginalCollectorA1303 Год назад +4

    I haven’t noticed this at all on my HiFi equipment, but I’m sure that some do have something just like this. That actually makes a big difference in the audio, cool to see that it is included on many systems. (Although it’s not super helpful when it has several different names.)

  • @HelloKittyFanMan
    @HelloKittyFanMan Год назад +1

    And you even explained what sort of disadvantage might come from just leaving beat cut on all the time, hence the ability to turn it off. So thanks, nice video!

  • @haqitman
    @haqitman Год назад

    Even reading the instructions back in the day I didn't understand what problem it was trying to solve until seeing this video. Thank you!

  • @bbishoppcm
    @bbishoppcm Год назад +1

    I had a 1994 Sanyo boombox back in the day with this switch in the back. Thank you for answering this question after 29 years of head scratching.

  • @rniamath
    @rniamath Год назад +2

    Adding my thanks for the explanation as well. As a young audiophile, I too was perplexed by this switch many, many years ago - for some reason I equated "beats" to "bass" and was wondering why anyone would want to cut the bass. I never did try to record from AM though as my recordings were primarily audio off FM.

  • @FilipMaes
    @FilipMaes Год назад +1

    thank you for this weirdly satisfying video coming up with an answer to a question we had 30 years ago... This must be high on the list of "practical reasons why we need time travelling"

  • @pedrodaniellopesferreira2916
    @pedrodaniellopesferreira2916 Год назад +2

    I already knew this... but found it completely by chance, tbh.
    I actually found it with a faulty bias on a Sanyo G2005. It had support for ferric tapes and metal, but not chrome (why? Don't ask me what they were thinking about when they design it).
    The faul was a transistor on the oscillator, and when I replaced it, the am station I had it tuned in started to whistle. I took me a good hour of troubleshooting until I found the beat cut switch in the back...

  • @THOMMGB
    @THOMMGB Год назад +1

    Thanks so much for that very thorough explanation. I knew about the Beat switch and knew it had something to do with AM radio, but that's about it.

  • @RealEpikCartfrenYT
    @RealEpikCartfrenYT Год назад +2

    there are also cases where the beat cut is omitted and the bias is permanently set and can't be changed. My Philips AZ1310 boombox, as well as a cheap Chinese stereo I have, that is so Chinese, everything on it is in Chinese, both have a bias coil on their tape deck boards, but no beat cut switch.

  • @FixerUK
    @FixerUK Год назад +1

    Finally got the answer for something that puzzled me without realising until now for some 30+ years. Thank you, I can rest easy now😉

  • @yueibm
    @yueibm Год назад +2

    I forgot how confused I was with this back in the day! Thanks!

  • @NathanJayMusic
    @NathanJayMusic Год назад +3

    Crazy to see my little AIWA stereo/radio cassette deck AND my Casio SK-1 looking in such great condition.
    Mine look like they've been through a partially successful raid on the Death Star

  • @artistlovepeace
    @artistlovepeace Год назад +1

    Astonishing. Thank you for producing and sharing.

  • @zero0ryn
    @zero0ryn Год назад +2

    When I last visited the USA I was amazed at how good the quality of AM was (stereo in some cases). In the UK AM has always sounded very poor. I would often hear that beating whistle on a stand alone radio without any cassette recorder near by.

  • @phildavis1723
    @phildavis1723 Год назад +1

    Congrats! This is the first time you filled a gap in my knowledge that I always wondered about!

  • @jamesdye4603
    @jamesdye4603 Год назад +3

    I still have the only two "boom boxes" I have ever owned, and neither of them have the switch. But, being the nostalgia hound I am, I'm certain I will own one at some point.

  • @CapnKetchup
    @CapnKetchup Год назад

    Awesome breakdown and explanation. Thank you. I love this kind of nostalgia.

  • @CableWrestler
    @CableWrestler Год назад +1

    Always a good day when a video drops ❤️