how to forge drifts for hammers and top tools

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  • Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
  • I had a commission by a Dutch customer who wanted to buy top tool and hammer eye drifts and I used the occasion to make this tutorial video as requested by many people including my friend Matt Marty and Facebook acquaintance Brett Miles.

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  • @geniuspharmacist
    @geniuspharmacist 2 месяца назад

    This is one of the best and most underrated forging and smithing channels on RUclips. I really hope they would make videos again.

  • @Friidom2
    @Friidom2 6 лет назад +5

    Came back to watch this video for a drift I need to make today. Thank you, even 4 years later this video still helps me. :)

    • @dylansmith287
      @dylansmith287 6 лет назад

      Friis Forge Hey! Love your videos Christopher :D

  • @chuckaverett1657
    @chuckaverett1657 10 лет назад +1

    Very professional and informative demo Mr Daniel. Your client will be proud to own these tools.

  • @terryhale9006
    @terryhale9006 6 лет назад +3

    Congratulations on your English. Much appreciated.

  • @workingwithiron
    @workingwithiron 10 лет назад +5

    Really GREAT video daniel was fun to watch all the way through, keep them coming dude i learned a lot as usual, cheers!

  • @robs9574
    @robs9574 9 лет назад +2

    Nicely done and a great vid. Others I've watched used a grinder or sander but not you. You are a true Craftsman, good job.

  • @truegritbulldog
    @truegritbulldog 6 лет назад +1

    Really liked the video, it is the first of yours I have seen. The hexagon method was very helpful and your detailed explanations were great. I hope you continue to do more blacksmith videos as you have a knack for teaching. Thank you!

  • @jappelgreen
    @jappelgreen 7 лет назад +1

    I've been looking for a video on this subject for quite some time. great explaining !

  • @toinekuijten1897
    @toinekuijten1897 10 лет назад +1

    Thank you Daniel for the video in which my tools are made!!! Again I learned a lot, such as why to make the hexagonal taper. Keep on making beautiful tools and those great videos.

  • @Meadwolf86
    @Meadwolf86 10 лет назад +3

    I know all too well about burning knuckles on planishing blows ha ha!
    Nice job Daniel and by the way your English is great!
    Cheers!

  • @mjfrank007
    @mjfrank007 6 лет назад +1

    Excellent video. I was having a hard time finding one inch bar stock, then u mentioned axle rod and that reminded me that I have two of those. Your technique worked amazingly. But now I can't drive my car. Lol. J/k

  • @thefarrier1
    @thefarrier1 10 лет назад +1

    Thanks Daniel!
    This is great information for my next drifts
    Good video

  • @petergestels
    @petergestels 9 лет назад

    thank you for another really good tutorial . i really apperciate all off your efforts and your knowledge .

  • @drason69
    @drason69 10 лет назад

    Great video! Thanks for posting good useful information and excellent footage. Much appreciated Dan

  • @PinoyBlacksmith
    @PinoyBlacksmith 7 лет назад

    Great vid Daniel! I really enjoy your tutorials. Helped me a lot man! Thanks

  • @santsfactory
    @santsfactory 10 лет назад

    thanks Daniel. this is a very good video. very helpful. keep up the good work

  • @Gx2aug
    @Gx2aug 9 лет назад

    I just found Your channel and must say that i really liked it. Keep up good work. Love Your hammer by the way.

  • @sinfalacias2009
    @sinfalacias2009 9 лет назад

    Wow, 19,832 views, 244 likes and 0 dislikes. This is a record! Congratulations, you have a good video.

  • @shannman9
    @shannman9 10 лет назад

    Great video, Matt and I are getting together Saturday to do dome forging.

  • @albertrasch4793
    @albertrasch4793 10 лет назад +1

    Nice work Daniel! I'm not familiar with the term "squishy" heat, but I get the idea, LOL!
    Albert

  • @Deathoutofhell
    @Deathoutofhell 7 лет назад

    One really good tip for measuring at the forge if you dont have a metal ruler, find an old steel divider. With that you can take measurements from any tape or folding rule or even from a scale drawing(!) without measuring anything. Dennis from DF - In the shop has a video on how to forge a devider like that yourself but you can also find them on yardsales/fleamarkets or brand new from china. They might not very pretty but do work!

  • @anthonysatoh
    @anthonysatoh 8 лет назад

    Always love your videos!

  • @gaylecoombs5510
    @gaylecoombs5510 2 месяца назад

    I'm digging your guillotine tool that's pretty nifty

  • @luizguilhermecosta1100
    @luizguilhermecosta1100 10 лет назад +2

    Hello, I live in Brazil several times and watch your videos in order to learn about the art of forging. I would like to ask if you have any technique that could use to conduct a spring drive to leave it as a straight bar without cutting it into pieces? If you can help me would be great. Grateful, Luiz

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад +2

      If you want to make a long piece of spring you need to straighten a little bit first with your hammer and then always heat up the section that you want to straighten and stick the end of the spring in the pritchel or hary hole or into the vice. The use your hands or tongs to bend the piece and use the residual heat to straighten it on the anvil. Continue that process until you have the desired length of straight spring steel. Make sure not to put dents into the steel by hitting with a too small hammer with too small eges or accidentally having parts of the bar on a sharp edge of your anvil when you straighten it.

  • @kentgordner7119
    @kentgordner7119 7 лет назад +1

    Daniel, Thank you so much for all that you do to help us understand making tools. Can you tell me what the standard hole sizes are for a hammers? Is it based on the weight of the hammer?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад

      Hello Kent! I don't drift the holes to a specific size. I kind of go with how much I need to finish the hammer properly and what looks right to me. For a normal 3 1/2 lbs hammer I'd go with about 1 1/4 x 3/4 inch. But that is up to you, your material, hand size, etc.

  • @rydubb5190
    @rydubb5190 10 лет назад

    Great information in the video, I do have one thought for you. When you were doing the hot cut at the end to remove the excess length, you were cutting at the far end of the heat and it looked a bit tough to get through. Center that heat for your cut in the future. Keep up the good work!

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад

      Thanks Ryan, I unfortunately heated up the piece not in the perfect place but I wanted to cut it at a certain spot so I had to make do with that low end heat...

  • @ka2pbo
    @ka2pbo 10 лет назад +1

    HI Daniel, great work and great video as usual! I am copying your drift and using the same process. How long did your tapered section end up ? I started at 4" from the end as you did and just want to make sure I tapered it down enough. Thanks

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад

      ka2pbo I would go 1/3 to 1/2 of the dimention of the starting stock. So if you started with 1 1/4" you might want to end up with something ~ 1/2".

  • @sandrinevictorialilylouben7372
    @sandrinevictorialilylouben7372 9 лет назад +3

    Hi, excusesme but I havent understand why your hammer have a a round head. Is it to avoid mark the metal or is it just because it's just more efficient ?
    Thanks for the video, I at least understand how to make the tool to make eye for hammers and maybe axes.

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  9 лет назад

      The rounding face is like that because the shape reduces surface area contact and moves the steel more efficiently. Good luck with your projects!

    • @sandrinevictorialilylouben7372
      @sandrinevictorialilylouben7372 9 лет назад +1

      Thank you. I know now how to be more efficient :) Good luck too.

  • @Logiwonk
    @Logiwonk 9 лет назад

    Great video, keep it up!

  • @johnmichaellane1
    @johnmichaellane1 9 лет назад

    Goodness gracious that anvil is loud! I felt like I was standing there without ear plugs by the halfway mark.

    • @keyehek1790
      @keyehek1790 8 лет назад +1

      its a peddinghaus. perfectly normal.

  • @49michaelt
    @49michaelt 10 лет назад

    Very good video Daniel. Thanks for sharing. Is there any heat treating for a drift made of 4140?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад +2

      No you don´t need to heat treat these. It wouldn´t make sense anyway, because the drift gets very hot during use and would lose all temper anyhow.

    • @49michaelt
      @49michaelt 9 лет назад +1

      That makes sense. Thanks Daniel

  • @zzthexminecraferx33zz61
    @zzthexminecraferx33zz61 7 лет назад +1

    by car axle do you mean like axle shaft ?!

  • @guloguloguy
    @guloguloguy 10 лет назад

    Have you ever used an "Induction Forge" to heat your metals? (versus a coal/coke forge). The heat time seems to be much faster with the Induction forge, and One doesn't have to directly breathe lots of Carbon monoxide, and coal/coke ash. (They run on Electricity).

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад +1

      I have never used an induction forge myself but I know they're very fast and very clean but also extremely expensive and use shittons of electricity. They are rather something for big constrution shops than for a little hobby forge like mine.

  • @francescomidknight8621
    @francescomidknight8621 9 лет назад

    Hello Daniel, great viideos, I really love your channel. Just one little question, were do you buy your steel? Is there any chances that you know an European online dealer with good materials?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  9 лет назад +1

      Nerfeel There are a few ways to get ahold of that kind of steel. First of all of course steel supply stores. They´re usually wholesale companies that sell to metal work businesses. If you can´t find one or they won´t sell to you in small amounts ask some of your local machining and tool making companies. They should have steel or at least be able to order steel and sell it to you. Some might even have scraps they´ll give you for free.
      Otherwise one can also find steel on the internet. I´ve actually bought steel off of eBay a couple of times. But for Europe Abrams Premium Steel is also an online supplyer.
      If you´re looking for cheap material go to a scrap yard and ask for car axles.

    • @francescomidknight8621
      @francescomidknight8621 9 лет назад +1

      Daniel Lea Brilliant, Europe Abrams Premium is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks Danel!

  • @benjaminschemme40
    @benjaminschemme40 9 лет назад

    Woher bekommst du das Material für so ein Tool? Ich finde maximal 8mm Material?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  9 лет назад

      Benjamin Schemme Für die Durchschlage empfehle ich 42CrMo4 (AISI 4140 / Deutsche Werkstoffnummer 1.7225). Den Stahl habe ich auch im Video verwendet.
      Wenn du nicht direkt einen Stahlhändler in deinem Ort hat, kannst du u. U. auch bei Werkzeugbaubetrieben nachfragen, ob die dir welchen besorgen können.
      Online gibt es immer wieder einige Angebote auf eBay: www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC1.A0.H0.X42CrMo4.TRS0&_nkw=42CrMo4&_sacat=0
      Auch hier habe ich einen Großteil meines Werkzeugstahls bestellt:
      www.marks-gmbh.de/Rohmaterial-Zuschnitte-rund-flach-gezog.-6kt-selbst-kalkulieren/Material-Laengenzuschnitte-nach-Ihren-Vorgaben-selbst-kalkulieren.html

  • @charlescarter6175
    @charlescarter6175 7 лет назад

    Is there any heat treatment for these? I know it wasn't mentioned, it just seems you might want it hardened a little. Thank you

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад

      It wouldn't make any sense to harden a drift since they heat up anyways when used sometimes even to red heat. So they'll just lose their temper anyways.

  • @FireCat4xAZx
    @FireCat4xAZx 7 лет назад +1

    Love your video's Danny, Sub'd

  • @allenvdj6726
    @allenvdj6726 9 лет назад

    What you used to make steel drifts ? I am Spanish and did not understand

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  9 лет назад

      Allen VDJ You can for example use C45 or 42CrMo4 or spring steel.

    • @allenvdj6726
      @allenvdj6726 9 лет назад +1

      Daniel Lea thanks

  • @gtfactory5396
    @gtfactory5396 8 лет назад

    always enjoy your videos ... how heavy is the rounding hammer you're using?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  8 лет назад

      The hammer in this video is 4 1/2 lbs.

    • @gtfactory5396
      @gtfactory5396 8 лет назад

      thanks

  • @guiltyspark7933
    @guiltyspark7933 7 лет назад

    wo kaufst du dein zubehör? wie diese blockdrahtbürste ? und wo bekommt man speziellen stahl her ?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад

      Die Blockdrahtbürse habe ich geschenkt bekommen, als ich in den USA war. Die gibt es so nicht in Deutschland zu kaufen, nur die aus Kunststoff, diese werden als "Hackblock Bürste" im Fleischereibedarf verkauft. Stahl kannst du entweder second hand von Werkezugbauunternehmen und Drehereien bekommen oder von Stahlhändlern, die auch an private verkaufen. Wenn du einen Gewerbeschein hast, oder jemanden mit Gewerbeschein kennst, kannst du den Stahl auch direkt vom Großhändler beziehen. Es gibt auch Onlinehändler wie Marks Normalien GmbH oder Abrams Premium Stahl, bei denen du Stahl bestellen kannst. Ansonsten haben auch die Messermachershops und einige Anbieter auf eBay Stähle im Angebot.

    • @guiltyspark7933
      @guiltyspark7933 7 лет назад

      Jo danke

  • @JacobvsRex
    @JacobvsRex 6 лет назад

    I want to know how you put together that fuller set

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  6 лет назад +1

      A friend of mine had made it for me. It's basically a square bar split and spread and then two pieces of tool steel rivited onto the inside.

  • @mattbehnke779
    @mattbehnke779 9 лет назад

    I'm a bit confused on forging a drift. I am a bit confused on how to make sure I am turning the piece 60and 30 degrees. Making the hexagon and taper seems to be the hardest part for me. Any tips? Also, I am making this so I can make a rounding hammer and I see you use a rounding hammer in the video, so can it be done without? Maybe I will just buy one from you or Brazeal or someone cause this seems to be so difficult to me. Thanks

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  9 лет назад

      +Matt Behnke It is hard to explain. You basically first make 1/3 turns in the beginning. So you will get three flat sides and 3 round sides. And then you just hit all the sides that formed. If you can't get the hang of it just forge it out square and then forge down the corners to make it 8-sided and then again to make it 16-sided and then make it round.
      Sure you don't need a rounding hammer for this but the hammer should have a substancial weight of at least 3 1/2 lbs and a properly dressed face. And it should be over all comfortable to work with because you need to do quite some heavy forging with it.

    • @mattbehnke779
      @mattbehnke779 9 лет назад

      Thanks for the response. I am 13 so I can't swing two heavy a hammer cause I don't have fully grown muscles yet but I think 3.5 pounds I will be able to swing. Thanks for all the help

    • @mattbehnke779
      @mattbehnke779 9 лет назад

      Also did you make that spring fuller, if so can you explain a bit on how you made it. Thanks for all you help and time

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  9 лет назад

      +Matt Behnke It is two pieces of tool steel flat bar, ground round on one side rivited inbetween two plates of steel with a shank that fits the hardy hole split, fit around it and rivited to it. You might want to google for "blacksmith's helper" "smithing magician" or "guillotine tool" for more information on such kinds of tools.

  • @franknash7067
    @franknash7067 6 лет назад +1

    Please make more more material

  • @stokermeister3
    @stokermeister3 8 лет назад

    Would you need to temper the steel after forging the drifting tool?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  8 лет назад +3

      No you don't need to do that as the drift is a hot working tool anyways and any temper would be thus lost whilst the drift being used for its intended purpose.

    • @stokermeister3
      @stokermeister3 8 лет назад +1

      thanks Daniel for you great wisdom as im still learning off my own back and have not been able to get a Apperenticeship with a blacksmith here in Ireland

  • @garybusby5720
    @garybusby5720 8 лет назад

    Daniel are these heat treated ? If so how far up the tool ? Also do they need to be tempered in an oven? Thanks

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  8 лет назад

      +Gary Busby Hello Gary,
      Drifts are tools used inside the eye of a glowing piece of steel and thus heat up very quickly way beyond any reasonable tempering point, which is why it would be senseless to heat treat a drift.

    • @garybusby5720
      @garybusby5720 8 лет назад

      +Daniel Lea I never thought of it like that but you do heat treat the slot punch correct?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  8 лет назад

      +Gary Busby I usually don't. But you can heat treat a slot punch for punching small things that won't heat up the punch so much. Gotta work fast and careful then though.

  • @allyblair
    @allyblair 5 лет назад +1

    i'm so confused. 64k views and less than 1k likes.... how the forge is this possible

  • @matthewwise5317
    @matthewwise5317 7 лет назад

    What is the starting dimensions of the tool steel you startout with?

    • @randoprior4130
      @randoprior4130 7 лет назад

      Matthew Wise he clearly states in the video that he started with about 4" of 1" stock for the taper, plus some for the handle of the drift.

  • @NotonlyWood
    @NotonlyWood 7 лет назад

    Why can't I do a four sided taper than eight sided and than squeeze it together to get that oval shape ?

    • @NotonlyWood
      @NotonlyWood 7 лет назад

      Watched 10 Sec longer and got the answer 😂😂😂

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад

      :'P

  • @camillesennegon
    @camillesennegon 6 лет назад

    Hey ! I'm 14yo i just tried to forge one....that's soooo hard! I failed because i've flaten too much and it's not anymore a taper...that's sad 😅

  • @animalisticvalues
    @animalisticvalues 10 лет назад +2

    1045 would probably not suffice for this project would it?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад

      If you use it very carefully it should last you for a couple of tools. But generally you want to get something more ductile than 1045. But if that is all you have it will suffice at least until you can get your hands on some 4140.

    • @animalisticvalues
      @animalisticvalues 10 лет назад

      Daniel Lea you were right about 1045 lasting a couple tools. Two top tools and one 2lb hammer and its developed a small crack about 20mil from the tip. Im ordering some 4140 now but my goodness is it expensive. Lol $70 for 4 foot of 1 1/2".

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  10 лет назад

      4140 will also not hold forever but it is a little bit thougher especially for hot work. 4140 can sometimes be even cheaper than 1045. If you don´t have to pay shipping it shouldn´t cost more than 50$ per 4 feet.

    • @animalisticvalues
      @animalisticvalues 10 лет назад

      Daniel Lea I decided to just bite the bullet and dump a couple hundred in some 5160 of different sizes. Its worth it in the long run. Tools are not easy for me to make so I want it to last as long as possible. Lol. I still struggle on the hexagonal tapering you showed.

    • @animalisticvalues
      @animalisticvalues 10 лет назад

      Daniel Lea ok Daniel I really just cant seem to do this right. How much is the commission for this tool. My email is cjv3904@rocketmail.com. I am state side and don't know if that's and issue for shipping or not. I made crap of some 5160 and blew my 1045 apart.

  • @GStone-jl1ov
    @GStone-jl1ov 7 лет назад +1

    am a stone mason what steel do i need to make masonry hammers

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад +1

      trustinJesus Certainly not the easiest decision to make. Personally I would prefer a steel that is not too hard because otherwise it would chip easily from the impact on stone. On the other hand it should be resilient to erosion. So you mainly want a tough steel. Then also it has to be forgeable which rules out some of the high performance steels which can't really be hand forged. So in conclusion the steels which come into my mind are the shock resistant high strength low alloy steels (HSLA), such as L6 or 4340. Those are also commonly used on jackhammer bits and are fairly easy to forge and re-work.

    • @GStone-jl1ov
      @GStone-jl1ov 7 лет назад

      Daniel Lea thanks 👍

  • @flowwizardz6695
    @flowwizardz6695 7 лет назад

    Did you forge that hammer with Brian?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад

      Yes and no. I forged it with Josh McLaren, whilst I was the director and he the striker. But we did so at Brian Brazeal's shop.

    • @flowwizardz6695
      @flowwizardz6695 7 лет назад

      Daniel Lea that's awesome!I'm from Mississippi and forged my hammers and got cut with Bryan.best class I've ever attended!

  • @jamestheblacksmith
    @jamestheblacksmith 8 лет назад

    Is that an Alec Steele hammer?

    • @brandonedwards1181
      @brandonedwards1181 8 лет назад +1

      No , he probably forged it himself , both him and Alec was tought by Brian brazeal who is the god of rounding hammers

  • @scottwhite685
    @scottwhite685 8 лет назад

    Why put in all the work forming the hexagon, and then to round it out again? Why not just taper down and then flatten both sides?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  8 лет назад +2

      What do you mean? You have to forge it in a polygonal shape because you can't draw it out round.

    • @scottwhite685
      @scottwhite685 7 лет назад

      Why is it impossible to draw it out round? I'm sure you can tell I am not a blacksmith.

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад +1

      Well that is actually rather difficult to explain. Like if you would try it you'd immediately see that it makes no sense. Uhhmm basically when you forge you're squshing the material between two tools or dies so either hammer and anvil or the top and bottom die on a power hammer. That makes it nescissary that the material needs to have force applied from the top and needs equal support from the bottom. That is why you need a sort of polygonal shape because if you'd try to forge round it would just get all crooked and wouldn't really work. It would also twist the material which would make it tear.

    • @plalonde2
      @plalonde2 7 лет назад

      Sorry, Daniel - I understand, but I don't understand. I usually do a taper like that by going to square, then back to round. Why the hex?

    • @99pppo
      @99pppo  7 лет назад +1

      Because you get closer to the final (round) dimention in the same time compared to if you do first square then octagonal and round.

  • @davnetv2767
    @davnetv2767 9 лет назад

    Bist du deutsch? Da hast glaube ich einen deutschen amboss und irgendwie hast du auch einen deutschen Akzent...

  • @garybusby5720
    @garybusby5720 8 лет назад

    20mm = 3/4 inch 10 mm = 3/8 inch

  • @chancekiki8488
    @chancekiki8488 8 лет назад

    a drift is a punch

    • @mattmoilanen3813
      @mattmoilanen3813 7 лет назад

      chance kiki Actually a drift is not necessarily a punch. A drift can be used to enlarge an already existing hole hence not a punch. Better to listen to the terms used for a certain crafts tools.