Just to clarify.. I believe in the beginning when you said Frank Miller is infamous for disliking adaptations of his work, that you're confusing him with Alan Moore. Alan (creator of V for Vendetta, Watchman, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen etc) hated the adaptations of his comics, and makes sure he no longer has creator credits on those movies. Frank on the other hand, seems fairly pleased with his influence.. infact, he even co-directed this with Rodriguez :)
I might be wrong here but i believe Rodriguez actually gave him a directing credit because nearly all of the shots in the film are taken directly from the comic. Of course Miller went on to direct the sequel! :)
@@kaybaumann4989 but that would be one, 300 and sin city where very true to his work and he even stared in this one (the priest in the cabinet who got shot by marv). I'm with lewis on this one, i guess he mixed up him and moore.
I think Moore's bigger problem is that he had no ownership of the properties he created for DC comics. His contract stated that he would get the rights back after the series went out of print and DC simply never let them go out of print and never will. He hates DC and will never work with them again.
I'm honestly really split, this cut makes the story more cohesive, but I feel the theatrical cut reveals the world in a more natural manner, makes it feel more like that's just how life is in the city.
This cut is horrendous! I’m angry just looking at it. Original is better because Bruce Willis story line is split. You get to be in the world is sin city before you realize who Jessica Alba is, you understand how Elijah Wood and the farm is connected and how powerful the Senator is. Making the storylines linear is like making Pulp Fiction or Deadpool movies linear, just an incredibly dumb idea.
Yeah, I thought this was the theatrical cut in the beginning. I thought the Hartnett scene right away meant they were watching the theatrical. I was wrong.
Besides Terminator 2 and Bvs: Dawn of Justice i'd have to agree (I know there's more but those are the ones that come to mind where the theatrical cut is inferior to the director's/special edition cut)
@@doughbones A lot of people like the director's cut of Aliens is better than the theatrical cut mainly because of the scene where they show Newt and her family finding the alien ship. While this is a good scene, I think it gives away too much. I think it's better not knowing what had happened on the planet prior to Ripley and the marines getting there. It's pretty obvious anyway and the introduction of Newt is better.
@@doughbones Terminator 2 is questionable. Many people prefer the original ending. In fact, I believe the only addition most people consider really good was the chip removal scene. And still, even it is not strictly necessary for the movie.
@@jbacunn I'm pretty certain that people prefer the director's version due to the scene when Ripley learns about the fate of her daughter, not due to the Hadley's Hope part.
Was so confused. Didn't realize this cut even existed. Just makes the movie feel like a collection of short stories instead of a movie imo. Also as others have said, the theatrical cut really makes it feel more organic. Just life in the city.
Very weird to see this first time in chronological order, but I definately prefer the theatrical cut, especially for first time watcher because the "Oh!..." Factor is much higher when you see that Hartigan actually survived the initial shots or you watch Marv drinking some shots at the bar after his story ended compared to the "who is this guy?..." if you see the character before their actually story. it is kinda the same with Pulp Fiction: if you watch it in chronological order, it takes a way a lot of charme.
I'm glad you guys saw this film, but I'm definitely a fan of the original non-chapter version. It sucks you in to the Sin City world in a much more organic manner. Kudos to Robert Rodriguez for the inspired vision to bring Sin City to the screen and figure out how to make it look just like the comic book (I know "graphic novel"), it's still amazing.
must be showing my age- i actually ran the old-timey projectors on release and i guess because of youtube edit, my old man brain saw nothing odd about this... they were originally still kindof broken into chapters and in that same order, no? without titlecards? also: this means i have seen this movie 90% through (in parts) at least 70 times. sad news for my mind lol
Yep, I agree, the theatrical cut flows much better. I prefer the extended stories though: so I re-cut the blu-ray with the extended stories into the theatrical running order. It's the only way I watch it now.
Mickey Rourke should have been nominated to an oscar for his role; not only he gave an amazing performance but it was also a hell of a comeback into doing movies from the greatest actor of his generation.
Frank Miller took a Co-Director credit for this film, so it's fair to say that he approves of it... Alan Moore (Watchmen, V for Vendetta) is notoriously critical of cinematic adaptations of his work, to the point where he refuses to have his name used in the credits, but I haven't heard similar things about Frank Miller, so I'd be interested where you got that info.
Alan Moore even claims, he doesn't watches his movies. I believe him, his problems with watchmen for example didn't started with the movie. His contract with DC says, he gets the rights of his book one year after the print. But the book was so successful that DC did something they never did before, they start to reprint it over and over. It's crazy. A lot of people say Watchmen is the best superhero comic series ever made, and like everyone agree, that it changed "the superhero comic" in general.
I was wondering what was going on...this isn't the theatrical cut. The theatrical cut is much more interesting, you have to wait for the rest of the first story until the end. Among other things.
I’ve watched Gilmore Girls several times all the way through, and it didn’t have an affect on me regarding Alexis’s character in this movie. For me, her words and delivery match perfectly with her actions in Old Town. She was a rat, an imposter. And her vibe gave off that energy.
Frank Miller's casting notes for Mickie Rorke was only one sentence "Mickie Rorke *IS* Marv." This was probably his best experience with Hollywood. He was floored by this production. The first scene was the trial and it succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
29:44 That scene w/ Josh & Alexis was the original ending from the theatrical version. The structure was: The Customer Is Always Right (Part 1), That Yellow Bastard (Part 1), The Hard Goodbye, The Big Fat Kill, That Yellow Bastard (Part 2), The Customer Is Always Right (Part 2).
Slightly confused. In the version I just watched (just before watching this reaction), Josh killing the woman in red (is that Becky? looks quite different) is still the opening scene and the film ends with him introducing himself to Becky.
@@malcolmrowe9003 You watched the theatrical version (the woman in red is "The Customer" played by Marley Shelton). This reaction is for the extended one where both sequences w/ Josh are shown at the beginning (they didn't include the elevator scene in this video).
I was very confused about the order of events here. It's been years since I've watched this film and thought it seemed different. Glad I wasn't imagining things.
This might be the most slavishly accurate comic book movie ever made. The whole visual style, the splashes of color, every scrap of dialogue, is pretty much unchanged from the comics. Tons of the shots in it are literally just comic book panels brought to live action, which is a pretty bold choice considering how stylized and even abstract a lot of it was. Almost the entire movie was shot in a green screen studio. Frank Miller isn't the comic book artist that hates every adaptation of his work, that's Alan Moore and having read his comics and seen the movies based on them, he has a pretty good reason. Frank Miller co-directed this with Robert Rodriguez and FUN FACT: Frank Miller also played the priest that Marv killed in the confessional.
Like many others in the comments, I have to say that the theatrical version has a more organic way of telling the story and I would recommend watching that version at some point in the future (wait 6 months so you can have a fresh take on it).
Eh, these 3 stories are the best Sin City Comics. Dame to Kill for is also a good graphic novel but the movie was a tad disappointing, and the rest aren't worth adapting.
The short at the beginning with Josh Hartnett is exactly that, a short. The Sin City comics were a collection of stories, some with repeating characters, of varying lengths. Also the use of limited colours other than the black and white is exactly as it is in the comics, Goldie's hair, Dwight's Converse etc..
Every reaction I've seen to this movie always uses the unrated version. I wish they'd use the original. The way the original theatrical version is cut is much better, also the original is almost completely black and white, which was much more effective.
Man I love this movie. I think I remember Frank Miller saying that the character of Marv came from trying to reimagine Conan the Barbarian living in modern times.
This was all filmed in Austin, most of it on a soundstage. Robert Rodriguez, the director, lives in Austin. Use to see the actors around town during filming.
As others have noted, you seemed to be confusing Frank Miller with Alan Moore. Miller had never been quite so vehemently opposed to Hollywood adaptations as Moore, but he wasn't that keen on them, either, as he had been burned by Hollywood in the past. When Rodriguez set out to make this movie, he basically courted Frank Miller, and he invited him out to watch him shoot a test scene (that ended up being the opening sequence with Josh Hartnett), and that won Miller over. Rodriguez gave Miller co-director credit for the movie.
The scene that Quentin Tarantino directed is the one in the car when the body first starts talking to Clive Owen's character. His references to "a new face" are about how his character had plastic surgery to disguise his identity. In addition to co-directing the movie, Frank Miller also appears as the priest that Marv kills in the confession booth. Another movie that was done in this filming style -- not film noir but "digital backlot" where the entire movie was shot on a greenscreen with very few props and no sets, and then the entire look was finished in the computer -- is Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
The complaints about this cut are overstated, IMO. Doesn't seem like Simone and George had any issue following the stories or the ways they connected to one another watching it, so even if I was expecting the theatrical version, I don't see a problem with watching it this way.
it's the grimmest of the grim and noir and so much fun for it. it's called 'Sin city' as its set in Basin City and its full of Sinners . The Yellow Bastard is yellow as he's got Jaundice from liver /organ failure of some sort but his daddy's surgery kept him alive. Marv spent ALL his points on the Tough advantage.
The 'new face' reference is in regards to the face surgery Dwight had in another story. They adapted them out of order from the comics based on what they thought audiences would respond to the most. The earlier story where he changes his face and identity is adapted in the second movie.
My first reaction upon seeing this upload: "Oh, cool, I love this movie..." My second reaction upon seeing this upload: "How the hell are they going to put this on RUclips?!" Well done on the editing! :D
I think (I'm not sure, I've seen this masterpiece too long ago) that Clive Owen's character is Josh Harnet's character. That is why the "an assassin with new face" line.
The city is called "Basin City." It's mentioned in the comics this is adapted from, but here you can see it on the close ups of the police badges. It's just that the place is so corrupt the name is shortened to "Sin City."
This was my favorite movie of 2005, Murderball being a close second. Such a wicked, badass movie that often gets overlooked when people talk about comic book movies.
Frank MIller hasn't complained about his film adaptations, as far as i recall. I think you're thinking of Alan Moore, who wrote V for vendetta, Watchmen, League of extraordinary gentlemen. He's hated the films of his graphic novels, been very vocal about it XD
The cannibal storyline was inspired by a real life case of a Japanese man who claimed that eating his victim 'filled him with white light', a line given to the Cardinal in this film. It also serves as a metaphor of the rich and powerful 'devouring' the poor and vulnerable of this world. The film is uncompromising in depicting the links of corruption and depravity between church and government, two machines that exploit the populace for their own gain.
In the opening, the woman paid the hitman to kill her. Whatever she was running from, she knew she was going to die. She wanted to die painlessly, and not to die alone. It's a very short Sin City story in the comics. The movie captures it well. You can see how everyone got on board when Rodriguez showed them that. But a lot of viewers seem to miss that it was a suicide hit.
This is one of my all-time favourite films, I've watched this so many times, I can't even begin to count. The comparison from page to screen is so perfect as was the casting. This is, of course, the extended and recut version, the theatrical version is more in-line chronologically, but this cut is more like the graphic novels. Frank Miller loved this too, it took Robert Rodriguez a very long time to convince him to let him make it, the opening scene with Josh Hartnett was what he used to convince him. Frank Miller was also a director in the film AND makes an appearance as the priest that Marv shoots in the head in confessional. Quentin Tarantino also did some directing on the film too.
One of my favorites! Like many others have said, there is something really special about the original theatrical version in the way it unfolds. I didn't even realize there was a different version out there. It might be interesting for you to check out the original after watching this one just to see which one you prefer. Thanks for this reaction though! I never get tired of the over-the-top ultra-Noir aesthetic and the stylized violence...yeesh. 😜
I just can´t..... Everytime I see Brittany Murphy, I get sad..... She was such an angel... It would mean a lot to me, if you guys could consider reacting to Just Married. She was in that with Ashton Kutcher and it´s one of my favorite comedies. Very underrated flick....
Great reaction guys, Sin City is one of my favorites Frank Miller loved this movie. He was one of the director's on the movie along with Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino, Frank has a cameo here he is the priest who was shot by Marv.
The DVD had a feature with a sped up version of the movie before effects to show how they filmed with minimal sets and props, definitely worth checking out
This is one hell of an epic comic book adaptation! Everything is shot against blue screen which is impressive. Film critic Roger Ebert gave the film a positive review, saying its the best noir film he has seen in years.
That scene in the car between Dwight and Jackie Boy is a goddam gem. The directing, the acting... every part of it is a perfect reflection of the comic.
The theatrical should be seen as well. Frank Miller is the priest marv shot. I think George you might be thinking of Alan Moore? Hes the guy thats notorious for despising any adaptation, going so far as to not taking a cent and requesting his name removed from any production (before its even begun).
Though he was only credited in a episode of Justice League Unlimited (For The Man Who Has Everything, if I remember correctly) because, according to Dwayne McDuffie, he liked the script, so both he and Dave Gibbons got credited
It's amazing how this film was shot so much on green screen in basically full lighting, and all the shadows, backgrounds, etc., were added in post. I was at a party in LA years ago and a guy had some footage that had been basically stolen from the post house that showed the before images and I was amazed, having seen the film already. Rodriguez is just so good with that, a la 'Spy Kids" etc. Also, RIP Brittany Murphy. She was so good in everything.
For more adaptations of Frank Miller's comics there's 300 and a few animated Batman movies (The Dark Knight Return and Year One). Frank Miller also directed the movie The Spirit (2008) and co-directed the sequel to this, Sin City: A Dame to Kill For, which I recommend. And for more Robert Rodriguez I recommend From Dusk Until Dawn and Machete, both amazing.
OMG, Simone! I love you SO much! Seriously though, I LOVE your comdeic timing and delivering. And I LOVE George's reactions to it! I love you both, VERY much! By FAR, my favorite movie reactoion show!!!
I’m reading the actual comics these movies are based on for the first time right now. It looks like “A Dame to Kill For” is the story of how and why Dwight got his new face. He’s played by Josh Brolin in that movie.
I'll admit that i enjoyed watching the Gilmore Girls in the early 2000's even tho I was an adult. At least the first couple seasons. It was my break from reality... But, I didnt find anything wrong with Bledel's portrayal in this movie. I didnt find her character to b any more out of place than any other character. She has the sweet and innocent look. Those are often the more dangerous girls in real life, anyway... lol (Not to mention, I always found her to b gorgeous on the Gilmore Girls as well)... Perhaps u find her character difference in this movie so 'disturbing' because u were proby still a young teenager in 2000 and related to her as such... BUT, even tho she played a teenager, she was 18 years old when Gilmore Girls started, and 25-years old when it ended...
Frank Miller helped MAKE this. He didn't like his films BEFORE this. This film getting made is thanks to Rovert Rodriguez shooting the scene with Josh Heartnet and bringing it to show Frank Millar, who then agreed 'yeah okay maybe we can actually do this?'
What else is Frank Miller? A number of good and not-as-good-but-still-cool things... First of all "A Dame to Kill For" is worth seeing - you get the backstory for Clive Owen's changed face "300" and the sequel "300: Rise of an Empire" are both adapted from Frank Miller graphic novels. The sequel's not great but Eva Green alone makes it worthwhile. He's executive producer on the Netflix series "Cursed" He wrote the scripts to Robocop 2 and 3 however, both scripts were heavily re-written and he has low-key disowned those. He directed "The Spirit" which is... strange. I can't call it good, but it's worth seeing just because of how weird it is. Frank Miller first made a name for himself as the artist and writer of Daredevil comics in the 80's. So a lot of Netflix Daredevil, as well as the 2003 movie are inspired by much of his early work. His most iconic work was the Batman graphic novel "The Dark Knight Returns" which eventually did get a faithful animated adaptation, but in the years prior, it was plundered for ideas and imagery by Tim Burton for Batman '89, Chris Nolan for Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, and by Zack Snyder for Batman Vs Superman.
The swords used by Miho (Devon Aoki) in this movie are the same ones used by some of the Crazy 88 in Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003). That movie's director, Quentin Tarantino, had been keeping them in the back of his garage.
Imagine waching this in cinema on night projection, it was crazy. You didnt comment at all the ARMY of world know actors in this movie, maybe you missed all of them
So you guys seem to be watching the special DVD version that splits the three stories up individually rather than the theatrical version that uses That Yellow Bastard and Customer is Always Right as bokends. Also, it's Alan Moore who has the huge issue with Hollywood adaptations. Miller hasn't had the best experiences either but he's more amenable. Miller plays one of the priests in The Hard Goodbye. Finally, it is worth noting that while Miller is very talented and created some great works, the last few decades has shown him devolve into some pretty reprehensible politics.
love this movie, so much style and captures the comic book noir style so well. Both versions have their own merit, this one is much easier to follow the individual stories of but loses something the theatrical version has. Could talk for hours about all the little things and theories about characters in this!
30:19 no you're not the only one, it's like everyone was saying their over the top lines and enjoying the tone, while her lines feel very forced like she's on a different set.
Such a gorgeous and underrated movie. They visually followed the graphic novel (which is an almost perfect story book) to the letter, the dialogues are basicly retranscripts too. Casting is perfect, plus, Frank Miller co-directed this one, so he can't really be mad with how it turned out.
To the people complaining... the this cut is exactly how the books are. It's more cohesive and I appreciate both cuts. This is just as good at bringing the plots together, but it's easier to follow.
This is one of my favorite movies and I wish more people would react to it. If you decide to watch the sequel/prequel, just go in knowing that they waited too long after this one to make it and several of the actors who were in this one had passed away before it was filmed. Also for some reason they thought that the movie wouldn't do well without Bruce Willis' character so they made up a story for Nancy for that movie that wasn't in the comic just to bring Bruce Willis back which wasn't great or necessary in my opinion. Still worth watching but I prefer this movie. Also, the version you watched here is good but this is one of the rare cases where I think the theatrical version was better. Splitting up The Yellow Bastard story so that it's in the beginning and the end of the movie makes the reveal of who Nancy is much better and more surprising.
There are a good few movies that as soon as I see the title of what people are reacting to, all my other tabs are swept aside as I yell FUCK YES! and click on the reaction I absolutely have to watch RIGHT NOW.
Sin City 2 is not quite as good, but shows the origin of Dwight before he changed his face to that of Clive Owen's. Also has Lady Gaga to replace the late Brittany Murphy, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt as a poker player. I suggest reacting to that one as well.
The color use in the movie mimic the colors used in the comic panel for panel. If you ever have a chance, you should read them. Brilliant. And yeah, Frank had a lot of input on this and 300, and was very supportive of them. Alan Moore is who you're thinking of.
Loved this as a graphic novel back in the 90's and, in the 80's, loved Frank Miller's graphic novels 'Batman:Year One' and 'The Dark Knight Returns'. Sadly, the last two were made into mediocre films (compared to the much darker stories in the comics) but Sin City mirrors the stark monochrome artwork of the original story and sticks to the plot very tightly.
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The Dark Knight Return is a really good movie, it's pretty faithful and keeps the tone of the comic. The only negative to me was the kinda stiff animation.
I guess if you are a fan of the graphic novels the movies can never match up. As your mind fills in the blanks between panels with perfect editing. Year One is probably my favourite Batman comic, and while the movie is ok it's just doesn't capture the darkness like this adaptation of Sin City
As others have mentioned, 300 is another Frank Miller adaptation that's definitely worth a watch. Just as stylized, and visually stunning as Sin City is.
Frank Miller is a comic book artist and writer who came to prominence with The Dark Knight Returns and pretty much saved Daredevil from cancellation with the Born Again story. Sin City is a book he did for Dark Horse. To my knowledge, his only other film was the adaptation of Will Eisner's The Spirit.
Sin City is probably the most faithful film adaptation EVER! Read the source graphic novels, the imagery style is very close to the comics ... and close to 100% of the dialogue is unchanged.
I have watched this movie so many times and never connected that the lady in red at the beginning is Becky. She seems so different in her mannerisms. And her hair. Thanks for that awesome realization!
Fun Fact: Tarantino directed the scene between Dwight and Benicio del Toro in the car (aka gun barrel in his forehead and still talking Del Toro). Tarantino just happened to be visiting set that day and Rodriguez wanted to convince him that filming digitally wasn’t so bad. As we have seen, Tarantino continued to shoot on film.
I think you are confused. Alan Moore is the one that hates the movie adaptations of his work. Frank Miller on the other hand co-directs and participates in most of all his stuff that gets adapted.
Give Sin City: A Dame to Kill For a chance, I love that one too. Not quite up there with this one, but still pretty damn good and worth your time. We get some stories that never made it to a graphic novel that give more development to Nancy (after Hartigan) and Senator Rourke. Plus there's some awesome performances throughout. It doesn't deserve all the hell it catches.
Just to clarify.. I believe in the beginning when you said Frank Miller is infamous for disliking adaptations of his work, that you're confusing him with Alan Moore. Alan (creator of V for Vendetta, Watchman, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen etc) hated the adaptations of his comics, and makes sure he no longer has creator credits on those movies. Frank on the other hand, seems fairly pleased with his influence.. infact, he even co-directed this with Rodriguez :)
He wasn’t big on the Robocop sequels which where base on his comic… but his comic is even worse somehow.
I might be wrong here but i believe Rodriguez actually gave him a directing credit because nearly all of the shots in the film are taken directly from the comic. Of course Miller went on to direct the sequel! :)
@@kaybaumann4989 but that would be one, 300 and sin city where very true to his work and he even stared in this one (the priest in the cabinet who got shot by marv). I'm with lewis on this one, i guess he mixed up him and moore.
I think Moore's bigger problem is that he had no ownership of the properties he created for DC comics. His contract stated that he would get the rights back after the series went out of print and DC simply never let them go out of print and never will. He hates DC and will never work with them again.
Miller also plays the priest who gets shot in the confessional
I'm honestly really split, this cut makes the story more cohesive, but I feel the theatrical cut reveals the world in a more natural manner, makes it feel more like that's just how life is in the city.
This cut is horrendous! I’m angry just looking at it. Original is better because Bruce Willis story line is split. You get to be in the world is sin city before you realize who Jessica Alba is, you understand how Elijah Wood and the farm is connected and how powerful the Senator is. Making the storylines linear is like making Pulp Fiction or Deadpool movies linear, just an incredibly dumb idea.
Cuts not in theatre were not in theatre for a reason. And they dont exist to me. Nor will i watch them.
Is there a cut with all the additional scenes of this cut, like Marv's mum, but with the theatrical pacing?
I was wondering what the hell was up with this.
I can appreciate both versions, but I agree the theatrical version is just a little better.
Personally I prefer the theatrical cut. It has an interesting way of connecting everything as the movie goes along.
Yeah, I thought this was the theatrical cut in the beginning. I thought the Hartnett scene right away meant they were watching the theatrical. I was wrong.
Besides Terminator 2 and Bvs: Dawn of Justice i'd have to agree (I know there's more but those are the ones that come to mind where the theatrical cut is inferior to the director's/special edition cut)
@@doughbones A lot of people like the director's cut of Aliens is better than the theatrical cut mainly because of the scene where they show Newt and her family finding the alien ship. While this is a good scene, I think it gives away too much. I think it's better not knowing what had happened on the planet prior to Ripley and the marines getting there. It's pretty obvious anyway and the introduction of Newt is better.
@@doughbones Terminator 2 is questionable. Many people prefer the original ending. In fact, I believe the only addition most people consider really good was the chip removal scene. And still, even it is not strictly necessary for the movie.
@@jbacunn I'm pretty certain that people prefer the director's version due to the scene when Ripley learns about the fate of her daughter, not due to the Hadley's Hope part.
Was so confused. Didn't realize this cut even existed.
Just makes the movie feel like a collection of short stories instead of a movie imo.
Also as others have said, the theatrical cut really makes it feel more organic. Just life in the city.
It IS a collection of short stories. They're not even in the same order as the comics.
The scene where Clive Owen is driving Benicio Del Toro was directed by Quentin Tarantino
The Josh Hartnett scene was initially shot as test footage by Robert Rodriguez to get Frank Miller's permission to make the rest of the movie.
Very weird to see this first time in chronological order, but I definately prefer the theatrical cut, especially for first time watcher because the "Oh!..." Factor is much higher when you see that Hartigan actually survived the initial shots or you watch Marv drinking some shots at the bar after his story ended compared to the "who is this guy?..." if you see the character before their actually story. it is kinda the same with Pulp Fiction: if you watch it in chronological order, it takes a way a lot of charme.
Yes. I just watched this ten minutes ago and the way this was presented confused the hell out of me.
I'm glad you guys saw this film, but I'm definitely a fan of the original non-chapter version. It sucks you in to the Sin City world in a much more organic manner. Kudos to Robert Rodriguez for the inspired vision to bring Sin City to the screen and figure out how to make it look just like the comic book (I know "graphic novel"), it's still amazing.
I thought I was going nuts... so this is a different one to the theatrical? I think i prefer the more chopped up version, pulp fiction style.
must be showing my age- i actually ran the old-timey projectors on release and i guess because of youtube edit, my old man brain saw nothing odd about this... they were originally still kindof broken into chapters and in that same order, no? without titlecards? also: this means i have seen this movie 90% through (in parts) at least 70 times. sad news for my mind lol
Yep, I agree, the theatrical cut flows much better. I prefer the extended stories though: so I re-cut the blu-ray with the extended stories into the theatrical running order. It's the only way I watch it now.
@@hjhooch3355 Now that I would watch over anything else. Sounds great
Mickey Rourke should have been nominated to an oscar for his role; not only he gave an amazing performance but it was also a hell of a comeback into doing movies from the greatest actor of his generation.
Frank Miller took a Co-Director credit for this film, so it's fair to say that he approves of it...
Alan Moore (Watchmen, V for Vendetta) is notoriously critical of cinematic adaptations of his work, to the point where he refuses to have his name used in the credits, but I haven't heard similar things about Frank Miller, so I'd be interested where you got that info.
That depend on who get final edit.
@@Dularr what does?
Alan Moore even claims, he doesn't watches his movies. I believe him, his problems with watchmen for example didn't started with the movie. His contract with DC says, he gets the rights of his book one year after the print. But the book was so successful that DC did something they never did before, they start to reprint it over and over. It's crazy. A lot of people say Watchmen is the best superhero comic series ever made, and like everyone agree, that it changed "the superhero comic" in general.
Yeah was going to say what Mr Clean did. Believe George was thinking of Alan Moore. Love Sin City!
"Frank Miller took a Co-Director credit for this film"
He's also in it. He's the priest Marv shoots in the confession booth
Mickey Rourke's character is some all-time badass. I remember it with a smirk after all these years.
Rourke's smirk in the movie? Cuz that would be cool
I was wondering what was going on...this isn't the theatrical cut. The theatrical cut is much more interesting, you have to wait for the rest of the first story until the end. Among other things.
I’ve watched Gilmore Girls several times all the way through, and it didn’t have an affect on me regarding Alexis’s character in this movie.
For me, her words and delivery match perfectly with her actions in Old Town. She was a rat, an imposter. And her vibe gave off that energy.
I agree. She was working in Old Town, but she was not living it and also not speaking it.
Frank Miller's casting notes for Mickie Rorke was only one sentence "Mickie Rorke *IS* Marv." This was probably his best experience with Hollywood. He was floored by this production. The first scene was the trial and it succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.
Same. But this still gives them the movie. I'll take it.
29:44 That scene w/ Josh & Alexis was the original ending from the theatrical version. The structure was: The Customer Is Always Right (Part 1), That Yellow Bastard (Part 1), The Hard Goodbye, The Big Fat Kill, That Yellow Bastard (Part 2), The Customer Is Always Right (Part 2).
Slightly confused. In the version I just watched (just before watching this reaction), Josh killing the woman in red (is that Becky? looks quite different) is still the opening scene and the film ends with him introducing himself to Becky.
@@malcolmrowe9003 You watched the theatrical version (the woman in red is "The Customer" played by Marley Shelton). This reaction is for the extended one where both sequences w/ Josh are shown at the beginning (they didn't include the elevator scene in this video).
@@jp3813 thanks for the clarifications. They put the Elevator scene at the beginning? Wow! That makes no sense whatsoever.
I was very confused about the order of events here. It's been years since I've watched this film and thought it seemed different. Glad I wasn't imagining things.
I didn't even know this version existed. It's definitely very different than the cinematic release.
This might be the most slavishly accurate comic book movie ever made. The whole visual style, the splashes of color, every scrap of dialogue, is pretty much unchanged from the comics. Tons of the shots in it are literally just comic book panels brought to live action, which is a pretty bold choice considering how stylized and even abstract a lot of it was. Almost the entire movie was shot in a green screen studio.
Frank Miller isn't the comic book artist that hates every adaptation of his work, that's Alan Moore and having read his comics and seen the movies based on them, he has a pretty good reason. Frank Miller co-directed this with Robert Rodriguez and FUN FACT: Frank Miller also played the priest that Marv killed in the confessional.
Like many others in the comments, I have to say that the theatrical version has a more organic way of telling the story and I would recommend watching that version at some point in the future (wait 6 months so you can have a fresh take on it).
This film and "300" are so awesome! I wish more of Frank Miller's "Sin City" graphic novels be adapted into movies.
Sin City 2.....the spirit are another 2....the spirit was directed by miller
Well, there's another movie for a reaction I'd like to see.
I concur
Eh, these 3 stories are the best Sin City Comics. Dame to Kill for is also a good graphic novel but the movie was a tad disappointing, and the rest aren't worth adapting.
The short at the beginning with Josh Hartnett is exactly that, a short. The Sin City comics were a collection of stories, some with repeating characters, of varying lengths.
Also the use of limited colours other than the black and white is exactly as it is in the comics, Goldie's hair, Dwight's Converse etc..
Every reaction I've seen to this movie always uses the unrated version. I wish they'd use the original. The way the original theatrical version is cut is much better, also the original is almost completely black and white, which was much more effective.
Yah I was gonna say I don't remember this much color lol
@@iamworthy1302 Really? The DVD I have here *is* the theatrical non-linear cut and has a lot of color
I want an autographed print of Simone's thumbnail image!
Man I love this movie. I think I remember Frank Miller saying that the character of Marv came from trying to reimagine Conan the Barbarian living in modern times.
This was all filmed in Austin, most of it on a soundstage. Robert Rodriguez, the director, lives in Austin. Use to see the actors around town during filming.
As others have noted, you seemed to be confusing Frank Miller with Alan Moore. Miller had never been quite so vehemently opposed to Hollywood adaptations as Moore, but he wasn't that keen on them, either, as he had been burned by Hollywood in the past. When Rodriguez set out to make this movie, he basically courted Frank Miller, and he invited him out to watch him shoot a test scene (that ended up being the opening sequence with Josh Hartnett), and that won Miller over. Rodriguez gave Miller co-director credit for the movie.
As I had previously stated, the theatrical cut is more cohesive and faithful to the source material
"That yellow bastard...is that me?"
Got me laughing out loud.
I think it was perfect to see Alexis Bledel in that role, specifically because of her character in Gilmore Girls.
The scene that Quentin Tarantino directed is the one in the car when the body first starts talking to Clive Owen's character. His references to "a new face" are about how his character had plastic surgery to disguise his identity. In addition to co-directing the movie, Frank Miller also appears as the priest that Marv kills in the confession booth.
Another movie that was done in this filming style -- not film noir but "digital backlot" where the entire movie was shot on a greenscreen with very few props and no sets, and then the entire look was finished in the computer -- is Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow.
The complaints about this cut are overstated, IMO. Doesn't seem like Simone and George had any issue following the stories or the ways they connected to one another watching it, so even if I was expecting the theatrical version, I don't see a problem with watching it this way.
This was the first movie I watched after buying my OLED TV. I couldn't think of a more perfect movie to check out infinite black contrast.
Great idea!
it's the grimmest of the grim and noir and so much fun for it. it's called 'Sin city' as its set in Basin City and its full of Sinners . The Yellow Bastard is yellow as he's got Jaundice from liver /organ failure of some sort but his daddy's surgery kept him alive. Marv spent ALL his points on the Tough advantage.
Damn. Should probably start polling patreon as to which version to watch. This movie's charm was in the original cut.
The 'new face' reference is in regards to the face surgery Dwight had in another story. They adapted them out of order from the comics based on what they thought audiences would respond to the most. The earlier story where he changes his face and identity is adapted in the second movie.
My first reaction upon seeing this upload: "Oh, cool, I love this movie..."
My second reaction upon seeing this upload: "How the hell are they going to put this on RUclips?!"
Well done on the editing! :D
I think (I'm not sure, I've seen this masterpiece too long ago) that Clive Owen's character is Josh Harnet's character. That is why the "an assassin with new face" line.
Frank Miller not only liked this adaptation, he also co-directed it and even had a cameo as the priest in the confession booth.
The city is called "Basin City." It's mentioned in the comics this is adapted from, but here you can see it on the close ups of the police badges. It's just that the place is so corrupt the name is shortened to "Sin City."
This was my favorite movie of 2005, Murderball being a close second. Such a wicked, badass movie that often gets overlooked when people talk about comic book movies.
Frank MIller hasn't complained about his film adaptations, as far as i recall. I think you're thinking of Alan Moore, who wrote V for vendetta, Watchmen, League of extraordinary gentlemen. He's hated the films of his graphic novels, been very vocal about it XD
Love the theatrical cut of this movie. Getting and then staying with the original material made this for me.
The priest that Marv was talking to in the confessional was Frank Miller.
I can't get over how cute you two are together, every single video. Keep being awesome!
The cannibal storyline was inspired by a real life case of a Japanese man who claimed that eating his victim 'filled him with white light', a line given to the Cardinal in this film. It also serves as a metaphor of the rich and powerful 'devouring' the poor and vulnerable of this world. The film is uncompromising in depicting the links of corruption and depravity between church and government, two machines that exploit the populace for their own gain.
In the opening, the woman paid the hitman to kill her. Whatever she was running from, she knew she was going to die. She wanted to die painlessly, and not to die alone. It's a very short Sin City story in the comics. The movie captures it well. You can see how everyone got on board when Rodriguez showed them that. But a lot of viewers seem to miss that it was a suicide hit.
This is one of my all-time favourite films, I've watched this so many times, I can't even begin to count. The comparison from page to screen is so perfect as was the casting. This is, of course, the extended and recut version, the theatrical version is more in-line chronologically, but this cut is more like the graphic novels. Frank Miller loved this too, it took Robert Rodriguez a very long time to convince him to let him make it, the opening scene with Josh Hartnett was what he used to convince him. Frank Miller was also a director in the film AND makes an appearance as the priest that Marv shoots in the head in confessional. Quentin Tarantino also did some directing on the film too.
Very fitting that Rodriguez used that story as a preview for Miller since Miller had created it as a short preview for Dark Horse.
I just loved this film, from the dialogue to the stylish noir with splashes of color to the over-the-top violence.
One of my favorites! Like many others have said, there is something really special about the original theatrical version in the way it unfolds. I didn't even realize there was a different version out there. It might be interesting for you to check out the original after watching this one just to see which one you prefer. Thanks for this reaction though! I never get tired of the over-the-top ultra-Noir aesthetic and the stylized violence...yeesh. 😜
I just can´t..... Everytime I see Brittany Murphy, I get sad..... She was such an angel...
It would mean a lot to me, if you guys could consider reacting to Just Married. She was in that with Ashton Kutcher and it´s one of my favorite comedies. Very underrated flick....
Don't Say a Word staring Michael Douglas and Brittney Murphy
Best cinematic adaptation of a graphic novel, ever, IMO. Robert Rodriguez has skills.
Great reaction guys, Sin City is one of my favorites Frank Miller loved this movie.
He was one of the director's on the movie along with Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino, Frank has a cameo here he is the priest who was shot by Marv.
If you guys want another stylized Frank Miller movie, Sin City was followed 2 years later by "The Spirit". Which Miller directed.
I think you might be thinking Alan Moore as the one upset with adaptations, not Frank Miller. Frank was co-director of this movie.
The DVD had a feature with a sped up version of the movie before effects to show how they filmed with minimal sets and props, definitely worth checking out
This is one hell of an epic comic book adaptation! Everything is shot against blue screen which is impressive. Film critic Roger Ebert gave the film a positive review, saying its the best noir film he has seen in years.
I believe he described it as "film noir pumped with steroids", which is the perfect way to describe it.
That scene in the car between Dwight and Jackie Boy is a goddam gem. The directing, the acting... every part of it is a perfect reflection of the comic.
The theatrical should be seen as well. Frank Miller is the priest marv shot. I think George you might be thinking of Alan Moore? Hes the guy thats notorious for despising any adaptation, going so far as to not taking a cent and requesting his name removed from any production (before its even begun).
Though he was only credited in a episode of Justice League Unlimited (For The Man Who Has Everything, if I remember correctly) because, according to Dwayne McDuffie, he liked the script, so both he and Dave Gibbons got credited
I apologize if someone has already posted this. The priest that Marv kills is Frank Miller.
He gets killed in Daredevil too.
It's amazing how this film was shot so much on green screen in basically full lighting, and all the shadows, backgrounds, etc., were added in post. I was at a party in LA years ago and a guy had some footage that had been basically stolen from the post house that showed the before images and I was amazed, having seen the film already. Rodriguez is just so good with that, a la 'Spy Kids" etc. Also, RIP Brittany Murphy. She was so good in everything.
"Is that me?" Dude never misses lmao
For more adaptations of Frank Miller's comics there's 300 and a few animated Batman movies (The Dark Knight Return and Year One).
Frank Miller also directed the movie The Spirit (2008) and co-directed the sequel to this, Sin City: A Dame to Kill For, which I recommend.
And for more Robert Rodriguez I recommend From Dusk Until Dawn and Machete, both amazing.
Technically, one of the best comic book adaptations I've ever seen. As for the cast, Elijah Wood kicks ass!
OMG, Simone! I love you SO much! Seriously though, I LOVE your comdeic timing and delivering. And I LOVE George's reactions to it! I love you both, VERY much! By FAR, my favorite movie reactoion show!!!
I’m reading the actual comics these movies are based on for the first time right now. It looks like “A Dame to Kill For” is the story of how and why Dwight got his new face. He’s played by Josh Brolin in that movie.
I'll admit that i enjoyed watching the Gilmore Girls in the early 2000's even tho I was an adult. At least the first couple seasons. It was my break from reality... But, I didnt find anything wrong with Bledel's portrayal in this movie. I didnt find her character to b any more out of place than any other character. She has the sweet and innocent look. Those are often the more dangerous girls in real life, anyway... lol (Not to mention, I always found her to b gorgeous on the Gilmore Girls as well)... Perhaps u find her character difference in this movie so 'disturbing' because u were proby still a young teenager in 2000 and related to her as such... BUT, even tho she played a teenager, she was 18 years old when Gilmore Girls started, and 25-years old when it ended...
Frank Miller helped MAKE this. He didn't like his films BEFORE this. This film getting made is thanks to Rovert Rodriguez shooting the scene with Josh Heartnet and bringing it to show Frank Millar, who then agreed 'yeah okay maybe we can actually do this?'
What else is Frank Miller? A number of good and not-as-good-but-still-cool things...
First of all "A Dame to Kill For" is worth seeing - you get the backstory for Clive Owen's changed face
"300" and the sequel "300: Rise of an Empire" are both adapted from Frank Miller graphic novels. The sequel's not great but Eva Green alone makes it worthwhile.
He's executive producer on the Netflix series "Cursed"
He wrote the scripts to Robocop 2 and 3 however, both scripts were heavily re-written and he has low-key disowned those.
He directed "The Spirit" which is... strange. I can't call it good, but it's worth seeing just because of how weird it is.
Frank Miller first made a name for himself as the artist and writer of Daredevil comics in the 80's. So a lot of Netflix Daredevil, as well as the 2003 movie are inspired by much of his early work.
His most iconic work was the Batman graphic novel "The Dark Knight Returns" which eventually did get a faithful animated adaptation, but in the years prior, it was plundered for ideas and imagery by Tim Burton for Batman '89, Chris Nolan for Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, and by Zack Snyder for Batman Vs Superman.
The swords used by Miho (Devon Aoki) in this movie are the same ones used by some of the Crazy 88 in Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003). That movie's director, Quentin Tarantino, had been keeping them in the back of his garage.
Man, love this films style and art.. soundtrack fits perfectly.. but, I do enjoy the theatrical non-linear cut better..
“That yellow bastard” “is that me?”…. Lmaooo.. hilarious… can’t do that anymore tho.. lol.. that’s too old school… great reaction!
Theatrical version is better. Missing a few scenes, but the flow and mood works better with such cuts.
"300" is one of the best films of Frank Miller's work!
Definitely should watch “300”, another Frank Miller Graphic novel, this time brought to life by Zack Snyder. Just as stylized and awesome.
Imagine waching this in cinema on night projection, it was crazy. You didnt comment at all the ARMY of world know actors in this movie, maybe you missed all of them
So you guys seem to be watching the special DVD version that splits the three stories up individually rather than the theatrical version that uses That Yellow Bastard and Customer is Always Right as bokends.
Also, it's Alan Moore who has the huge issue with Hollywood adaptations. Miller hasn't had the best experiences either but he's more amenable. Miller plays one of the priests in The Hard Goodbye.
Finally, it is worth noting that while Miller is very talented and created some great works, the last few decades has shown him devolve into some pretty reprehensible politics.
Yeah guy calls himself a Libertarian and then votes for Hillary. What a piece of trash.
I believe Kick Ass is another Frank Miller comic that they made into a movie. Kick Ass kicks ass, you should give that a watch!
love this movie, so much style and captures the comic book noir style so well. Both versions have their own merit, this one is much easier to follow the individual stories of but loses something the theatrical version has.
Could talk for hours about all the little things and theories about characters in this!
I believe Frank Miller plays the priest in the Marv sequence. He co-directed as well.
There's some speculation that Miho is actually a demon, and that's why she's able to do all the things she does.
You guys are the most fun to watch movies with.
30:19 no you're not the only one, it's like everyone was saying their over the top lines and enjoying the tone, while her lines feel very forced like she's on a different set.
Such a gorgeous and underrated movie. They visually followed the graphic novel (which is an almost perfect story book) to the letter, the dialogues are basicly retranscripts too. Casting is perfect, plus, Frank Miller co-directed this one, so he can't really be mad with how it turned out.
@@rustincohle2135 Ok, "not remembered as much as it should be", then
Aw, you should have watched the Theatrical version. That one is designed to be more like a proper structural film instead of an anthology of sorts.
To the people complaining... the this cut is exactly how the books are. It's more cohesive and I appreciate both cuts. This is just as good at bringing the plots together, but it's easier to follow.
This is one of my favorite movies and I wish more people would react to it. If you decide to watch the sequel/prequel, just go in knowing that they waited too long after this one to make it and several of the actors who were in this one had passed away before it was filmed. Also for some reason they thought that the movie wouldn't do well without Bruce Willis' character so they made up a story for Nancy for that movie that wasn't in the comic just to bring Bruce Willis back which wasn't great or necessary in my opinion. Still worth watching but I prefer this movie. Also, the version you watched here is good but this is one of the rare cases where I think the theatrical version was better. Splitting up The Yellow Bastard story so that it's in the beginning and the end of the movie makes the reveal of who Nancy is much better and more surprising.
There are a good few movies that as soon as I see the title of what people are reacting to, all my other tabs are swept aside as I yell FUCK YES! and click on the reaction I absolutely have to watch RIGHT NOW.
Sin City 2 is not quite as good, but shows the origin of Dwight before he changed his face to that of Clive Owen's. Also has Lady Gaga to replace the late Brittany Murphy, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt as a poker player. I suggest reacting to that one as well.
Gaga didn't replace Murphy. She played a different character.
The color use in the movie mimic the colors used in the comic panel for panel. If you ever have a chance, you should read them. Brilliant.
And yeah, Frank had a lot of input on this and 300, and was very supportive of them. Alan Moore is who you're thinking of.
Loved this as a graphic novel back in the 90's and, in the 80's, loved Frank Miller's graphic novels 'Batman:Year One' and 'The Dark Knight Returns'. Sadly, the last two were made into mediocre films (compared to the much darker stories in the comics) but Sin City mirrors the stark monochrome artwork of the original story and sticks to the plot very tightly.
The Dark Knight Return is a really good movie, it's pretty faithful and keeps the tone of the comic. The only negative to me was the kinda stiff animation.
@ I thought the comic was darker - but it was 30 odd years ago I read it so I could be wrong!
I guess if you are a fan of the graphic novels the movies can never match up. As your mind fills in the blanks between panels with perfect editing.
Year One is probably my favourite Batman comic, and while the movie is ok it's just doesn't capture the darkness like this adaptation of Sin City
As others have mentioned, 300 is another Frank Miller adaptation that's definitely worth a watch. Just as stylized, and visually stunning as Sin City is.
I already had a mega crush on Jessica Alba through Dark Angel and this movie came out. DAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!
@@ThatShyGuyMatt What happened? She was big in the early 2000s. FF4 etc...
@@ThatShyGuyMatt :S too bad
Frank Miller is a comic book artist and writer who came to prominence with The Dark Knight Returns and pretty much saved Daredevil from cancellation with the Born Again story. Sin City is a book he did for Dark Horse.
To my knowledge, his only other film was the adaptation of Will Eisner's The Spirit.
Sin City is probably the most faithful film adaptation EVER! Read the source graphic novels, the imagery style is very close to the comics ... and close to 100% of the dialogue is unchanged.
I have watched this movie so many times and never connected that the lady in red at the beginning is Becky. She seems so different in her mannerisms. And her hair. Thanks for that awesome realization!
Fun Fact: Tarantino directed the scene between Dwight and Benicio del Toro in the car (aka gun barrel in his forehead and still talking Del Toro). Tarantino just happened to be visiting set that day and Rodriguez wanted to convince him that filming digitally wasn’t so bad. As we have seen, Tarantino continued to shoot on film.
I simply LOVE this movie! I love it for it's noir narrative and it's stylized depiction of characters dramatically and super slowly falling.
One of the more unique movies out there I absolutely loved Mickey Rourke's character.
Yeah, he was a natural choice for Marv.
Hell yeah. Marv is the best character in my opinion. Lol the way he describes everything and he’s extremely masculine.
Legend goes that gladiators kept their opponents armor. That's a nice coat your wearing.
I enjoyed a Dame to Kill For. Maybe it was too similar to the first movie that people thought it wasn't original enough.
I think you are confused. Alan Moore is the one that hates the movie adaptations of his work. Frank Miller on the other hand co-directs and participates in most of all his stuff that gets adapted.
Give Sin City: A Dame to Kill For a chance, I love that one too. Not quite up there with this one, but still pretty damn good and worth your time. We get some stories that never made it to a graphic novel that give more development to Nancy (after Hartigan) and Senator Rourke. Plus there's some awesome performances throughout. It doesn't deserve all the hell it catches.