Yessirrr. Idk maybe it’s my biases overarching my logic but Logan has barely improved, still fights scared even against ppl half his size, jab merchant, slow feet.
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This is why i respect leon and viddal. They keep it real. Even they know that the bouncing up and down was never a good gameplan. So now everyone knows that the fight was not rigged but it was close
Leon and Vidal had jj winning, they are saying for them type of judges a traditional boxing style would of favoured jj more. That’s why they were saying to mix it up.
It was definitely close but it’s a draw at best for Tommy. The judges were clearly motivated to “not make a mockery of the sport” and couldn’t bare to see a youtuber take down the fury name. They’d rather judge a fight by gatekeeping the sport rather than just scoring it fairly.
@@Keizi I think they definitely favoured the fury’s a bit more. Again it is what it is. Ksi showed he is level with Tommy when everyone thought he wasn’t.
@@Keiziit’s not gatekeeping by sticking to the fundamentals of the sport. Tommy wasn’t great but he was defiantly the one pushing the pace and actually trying to have an exchange. KSI style is the equivalent to a footballer coming on the pitch and only taking long shots but not doing anything else.
KSIs whole gameplan was to knock out Tommy. Tommy ate his shots and ksi had to adjust like they said. However if ksi had boxed more conventionally Tommy would have landed more.
Yeah but when JJ landed the jab and overhand in the first round and it didn’t knock Tommy out (yes you could argue it wasn’t clean), and then there was the whole constant clinching, you need to switch it up. He could’ve easily done three rounds with the bladed stance and then changed it up for the 4th but he didn’t.
@@AdamYT24 Yeah that’s what I mean. KSI couldn’t change his tactics or fighting style and fought the same way throughout the whole fight. Maybe he can’t though. Maybe he doesn’t have the ability to. He’s never punched correctly ever really has he?
@@rayabahmed1624 I mean he can certainly fight without the bladed stance because he’s done it before. You could say that he isn’t successful with all the shots he throws and I would agree, but he could’ve definitely switched stances and still hit Tommy with a few good shots or combinations. JJ just follows orders so if his corner doesn’t tell him to switch the stance/tactics then he won’t do it of his own accord which is something that JJ lacks at the moment. We don’t know if he can read the fight and change if needed, probably not.
@@AdamYT24 Yeah I agree, but that initiative to change styles is usually in the pro scene when fighters are at higher levels. KSI is very inexperienced and doesn’t have the boxing IQ that is necessary to read a fight. But for sure him fighting without the bladed stance for a couple of rounds could have won him the fight but it’s just hypothetical. The bladed stance confused Tommy and make it awkward for him so if JJ boxed more conventionally I believe Tommy would have landed more shots on him and he would be an easier target.
Even tho he won his he didn't performed like that .papi had the first 2 rounds slim was looking really bad he was looking sick but papi underestimated him dropped his guard and got hit . Slim barely won
@@Bx81m2A Shows hes underrated no? Its even harder being down in a fight and turning it around. And i watched the fight back and it wasnt nearly as one sided as people make it seem. People just love to discredit slim, and say only because salt papi did this slim won. If it was slim winning the first few rounds and salt papi winning in the end not as many people would be making excuses for slim and everyone would gas up salt papi.
Yep, almost like they just wanted to scam a lucky win and hope the ref would keep siding with them, shit attitude to have in any type of combat sports.
They dievinately told him that but to be fair they also said "we did not let KSI go all out even in the 6th because we thought we won, we didnt want to risk getting knocked down because we are winning.
@qiqueqiqi they wouldn't of said take the fight if they didn't believe in ksi... something happened in a sparing session and when tommy fought jake. They thought okay we can beat tommy this way.
The funny thing is Kenny could have won that fight with ease. I watched the fight back & AT fought almost exactly like Whinderson did against Kenny. The way he was getting on the inside, landing the straight rights, overhand rights & body shots. Only difference is the output, AT had the better output but Kenny could have prevented that from happening if he just cleared his mind & focussed on maneuvering around the ring while he sticks the jab in his face continuously. Constantly standing still and dipping his shoulder while AT bull runs into him was the stupidest thing he could have done. Kenny played AT's game & he lost.
@@N0UG37 Depends on the person really. His coach is his brother & sometimes in a sport like boxing you need to get a reality check. If you lose a fight you can't really expect your corner to compliment you so really I see it as tough love, which is probably the best type of love you can receive from someone. Accepting the harsh truth & adapting is better than living a lie imo.
@@N0UG37 Very much true. But with Kenny that isn't the case because if it was then he would have made a team switch by now because In camp it gets even worse.
Can we get Pineda another Spanish speaking opponent, he clearly loves to trash talk so allowing him to finally be able to speak without a translator would be great
No Salt Papi just needs to take a new approach he did great losing all that weight but I think the weight loss put a big dent in him and he still looked the same.
I think deen and Walid could definitely run it back in the future, just cuz walid lost twice doesn’t mean it’s over now, if walid keeps fighting other contenders and can knock ‘‘em off he deserves the shot again, best against the best, ufc is still open to making volk vs holloway 4 bc max continues to prove he is the second best in the division, best and second best always have to scrap
@@MAZZA0113 I thought walid was coming back and could have won if there were more rounds, before i realized deen dislocated his shoulder and hurt his hand, I saw walid make big mistakes in the third round that he had made at the end of their first fight, hopefully he fixes those mistakes I really wanted walid to shut him up
ISTG I THOUGHT THE SAAME JJ’s team fully bigged up tommy’s jab, it’s not all that at all, if he boxed as hybrid of both karate and orthodox like you said, he genuinely could’ve won with ease
I disagree. Tommy landed some really good counterpunches and KSI reacted by clinching after every right hand he’d throw. Had KSI tried to land more, he would’ve kept getting caught and possibly stopped.
Tbh all of you are making up fair points. I just feel like if the ref did not allow much clinching, they both would be able to show more. All the potential strategy just went out the window when they realised they could just hold on and wait it out. Mistake from both parts but Tommy being the pro boxer should've had an answer to it. The fact he was getting outworked in the clinch too makes me even more disappointed for Tommy ngl
Ril and Wills coming with facts, my biggest annoyance is KSI didn’t go for a hybrid style. In the 2 fights one night, Fournier and Faze fights he didn’t solely use the bladed style. He needs to mix it with traditional footwork and boxing in addition to his awkward style. Got to snatch the fight outta the judges hands, similar to Logan 2 fight plenty of bodywork and sternum punches to get the points. His camp needs traditional minds because he can’t solely work for a knockout on a single punch and reaction. Hot take - I don’t think Jake and JJ are fighting each other, the build of their paths has gotten so lucrative the necessity has wained.
Yea they deff chased the overhand to the surprise of no one. But yea that style he has can work but he needs something else, very one dimensional. they just wanted to get their one shot off make it ugly and try and dirty box in the clinch.
@@jiahaogoh2822 I don't think most people would want to see ksi fight Tommy again, but Ksi has such a huge pull in the UK audience that global ppv sales may not be the highest I can still see his fans filling out the arena. I think ksi Jake is the fight to make. Whoever wins gets the rematch with tommy.
Im glad you man said the truth about kenny. AT had a game plan which has never changed and it was up to kenny to deal with it and he couldnt. Then all this talk post fight about AT not letting kenny work and it was boring. Shouldve dealt with him then 🤷♂️
There is truth and merit in that, I too was disappointed that Kenny couldn't and didn't deal with it. But also, AT is trash man. The fact that it's just a thing now, it's known he just throws an overhand and immediately clinches. It's awful to watch. Kenny should've dealt with it alot better, but AT is awful
@@ip96.7.21While true it's not the best to watch, tbh lol there isn't much someone like AT could do when he's short with t-rex arms, his limited game should have been a clear and easy win for Kenny
@@nitsuj2243it is kindave annoying tho all he rambles on about is his “peakaboo” style but all he does is clinch, I like Kenny but there was so much else he could’ve done he should’ve threw his hands way more and circled AT
question, on what cared and for what promotion will gib fight? if not kingpyn, don't think misfits will take him after what he did, also creator clash probably doesn't have good opponents for him unless he and slim agree to fight there or maybe kenny, but these guys are on misfits seems like gib overplayed his hand a bit and without kingpyn, i don't see where is he gonna fight, will ksi even let him back on misfits hmmmmmm
The amount of energy KSI wastes jumping up and down is mad. I’ve tried it, it’s very draining. He’ll have so much more punching energy if he stops doing jumping jacks all fight long
Nothing about the fight suggests he got humbled Lmaoo , he went the distance with a guy who’s been boxing his whole life , and arguably drew the fight.
Why would he need to get humbled? He's taking this shit seriously, he's not overlooking nobody clearly. If that's not true then he can't be too confident.
@@spreadwuvokay people just hate someone’s that believes in themselves , they want him to come out and say he’s bad just so it suits them , thats not how it works 😂
If KSI's appeal don't get overturned I'd like to see main event KSI - JPaul with co-main Viddal - Tommy Fury. If the problem for Fury is that Viddal dosent sell enough tickets, then put it on a Misfits card.
@@Electro4890 Ah shit, didn't know. But I do think misfits can come up with a deal that is wort enough for him to end his deal with sky. They won't, but probably could.
48:00 I have a feeling my brother Viddal is talking about how his pops holds him to a higher standard. Because if you see viddal's fights uncle Derek shows he's proud of his son of course but he truly believes in his son's abilities with such certainty that he always plays it down a bit as well.
@@orochi5919 he didn’t expose himself as nobody before the fight said he could box anyways, however everybody was overrating Tommy heavily hence why Tommy got exposed
I’m glad they mentioned Gib vs Taylor cause as soon as robbery was mentioned, i was thinking that fight was a robbery clear as day. JJ simply needed to do more to get the win and Tommy should have definitely done way better. I agree with the draw but maybe JJ to win with the point deduction but ye hope JJ is all good.
I know Viddal does not really want be on an influencer boxing card, but I think Misfits should do a Tommy vs Viddal as one of their pro division fights
@@ip96.7.21 he fractured his ankle, he would have gotten up 💀 yes i believe ed would have still ended up knocking him out, but not in that fashion. I mean give Swarmz a fight where he can be on the front foot and not fighting out of the corner
He needed to shell up like he did with Deji. He was upset that he shelled too much againsr Deji and decided to try engage with Ed's haymakers.. just the wrong plan from Swarmz.. he needs to realise that different fights need different plans
Kenny vs salt papi now makes a lot of sense, both coming off losses, both want to fight each other, and the winner of them can become the next title contender, salts not gonna clinch like At, he’s gonna force a proper scrap out of Kenny and that’s I fight I wanna see
I agree. I wouldn’t mind if Kenny and Salt Papi took an easy fight before they fought each other though. A solid win would get people more hyped about the fight and we’ll see if both guys show us something new. Raksu is a guy that could potentially give both Salt and Kenny a competitive fight, so I don’t really mind a match with him either.
Leon is for sure too biased, Viddal showing no bias at all to me which is cool. Because clearly he wanted KSI to win but he also understands KSI didn't do a lot.
if Kenny was to fight Gib ...Gib is EASILY flat lining him if AT was able to close the gap like that Gib is making him fold under all the pressure breaking his ribs
i agree man, i think if Jj lands with his feet planted or a hook with some real rotation and rip, it coulda been long for Tommy - as you lot said with the uppercut. Maybe Jj should use the starjumps as a hybrid - or back it out every now and then
I do think Tommy and viddal will cross paths in the future and that’s where I think a lot of his opinion comes from. Both have big names both I think want similar things. So it makes sense why he’s saying these things but he’s not wrong.
@@musaibriaz1530 again, Leon is not his boxing coach, and gib definitely doesn’t have a better engine than JJ, you could argue they’re about the same, but JJ’s style is hard to do for the whole fight and he still does it.
You kids don't know anything about boxing. Tommy Fury isn't a proper cruiserweight and fights at catchweight between 177 and 185lbs. Whereas Viddal fights at 200lbs cruiserweight. Moreover, Viddal has much more experience than him, represented GB in the Olympics, and had an excellent amateur record of beating Daniel Dubois and CBS in the amateurs. There are levels in boxing and Viddal would beat him, as how Jai Opetaia would knockout Viddal within 2 rounds.
35:06 agreed , this is why Dillon won in my opinion,carried the whole fight lead up , disrespected Logan and his wife and Logan did nothing about it while Dillon just walked through and showed how tough he is, he humiliated Logan without even having to do anything lol
I keep saying I could see deen and whalid on a actual pro undercard, both young guys, who usually pad their stats vs some trash but they are fighting each other
KSI vs Jake Paul Logan Paul vs Bradley Martin Slim vs Anesongib Yuddygang vs Deen the Great Dell vs Joe Weller Ed Mathews vs Bryce Hall Bdave-Pineda vs Nich-Wassabi 2 Salt Papi vs Rak Su Idris Virgo vs Mike Perry OJ rose vs Anthony Taylor King Kenny vs Temper 2 Armz vs Chase Barbie vs Jully Poca
The switch up by everyone was crazy, everyone expected Tommy to smoke ksi but it was so close. If the Judges didn’t favour a traditional boxing style the fight was a ksi win.
If this was a competent ref KSI would have been penalized for excessive clinching and forced to fight different or disqualified. This fight was rigged in KSI's favor in every regard except weight and he still lost. Tommy will rematch him but it would need to be a proper 8 round pro sanctioned boxing match.
@@extraterrestrialhorse9722 bro said sanctioned bout as if this wasn’t, both of them were clinching, Tommy constantly smothering his work and leaving no distance means he clinch’s. If you believe Tommy didn’t initiated half the clinch’s then your delusional. Tommy even got a point taken off him when he fought Jake for Clinching.
It wasn’t a win at all. Same jumping, same overhand, clinch, rinse and repeat. Tommy was the one who kept pushing forward, and judges favour the aggressor every time. It was terrible fight from both, but in no world did ksi win
@@aqeelraja4750 if Tommy was as good as half of yous gassed him up to be he would of fought on the back foot and countered ksi. Ksi out landing Tommy in 3 of 6 rounds and landing significantly more power shots clearly means it was a win with a 1 point deduction.
@@aliasif5099 it wasn't sanctioned by an actual pro commission hence why I said that. It was sanctioned by the PBA and they paid BoxRec extra to put it on there as a pro bout. Even then, Tommy would have also been penalized for clinching like you said when you refered to the Jake fight which had a much stricter ref. This would have stopped this fight from becoming a clinch fest and play out like an actual boxing match. Add 2 rounds to that and Tommy wins decisively with knockdowns. KSI was smart and fast.
40:30 this isn’t being talked about enough. Tommy didnt land anything significant on JJ or show JJ that he’s more experienced. He’s an influencer boxer at the absolute best.
Apparently KSI wanted 8 rounds at 180 but after Tommy won he's definitely not going to meet his demands for a rematch. Also is there any hype seeing that fight again but it being even longer I don't think so
@@jacktease27 well I can see why when you put it that way. The reason JJ fought Tommy in the first place was because he thought he'd do better than Jake. Technically he did, Jake pretty much got pummeled (not bad but still), while JJ made the match incredibly unorthodox which through Tommy off. However he was obviously still cautious that he's get combo'd by Tommy so that why he clenched him. However again, since he fought Tommy and realized that he's okay, but he isn't the greatest boxer in the world, he wants to actually go in and possibly go to town I guess. Just thinking how ksi would probably see it.
all KSI gameplan was just waited for the lucky knockout....he should change his coach and team....it was ridiculous he still did a 'Karate' stand...fighting like a Dragon Ball character
1 judge gave round 5 to JJ, 1 Judge gave round 6 to JJ. Both of these judges gave round 2 to Tommy (which was clearly JJ's). If KSI's team are appealing round 2 scoring, there's at least a small chance it could get overturned. With round 2 going to JJ, it makes the fight 57-56 to him
@@Xander2026 Well, Alexis admitted that there were some mistakes in an interview so that is one thing that is a good sign. I'm not saying that they were not effective, but telling KSI that he is winning and cruise till the end with no pressing is not a good idea since the game plan was to knock Fury out. It is left to the judges, you have to convince them that you got the upperhand by pressing in the last round at least. I would hope that they go off on what worked against Tommy and add variety to his arsenal in a rematch if it happens.
What baffles me is after all the hard sparring and training that William supposedly goes through, the intensity of which I do not doubt, he turns up to every fight looking like that. Why is a person with really no fundamental boxing skills, from an objective perspective, trying to reinvent boxing? That style is clearly not suiting him as he can barely connect with a viable punch.
Logan & Jake vs JJ & Deji - That might be the biggest commercial boxing match of all time which hurts my soul to say being someone who the loves the sweet Science
Tommy needed to adjust. He fought KSI's game and it was messy. If Tommy actually boxed he would of won with ease tbh. Granted its hard to box someone that doesnt want to box but Tommy is a pro he should be able to. I do think with some of the big hits KSI was taking that if the fight went 8 rounds we may have seen a KO or atleast a knockdown.
"logansss trash mannnn" finally someone with credability saying it how it is.
Real as hell. He didn't have a good performance at all given how Dillon fought, and he showed 0 improvements offensively
Exactly. Logan was bragging on Impaulsive about being a better boxer than Jake but his performance against Dillon was massively underwhelming.
Yessirrr. Idk maybe it’s my biases overarching my logic but Logan has barely improved, still fights scared even against ppl half his size, jab merchant, slow feet.
He is regressing
It’s mad how Dillon spent every round with his hands up throwing no punches, and didn’t look like he was ever gonna get knocked out
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so true. they are the best and most honnest ones out here.
Plus very very veryyyyy minimal bias if there is any (mostly for gib with Leon) unlike the other "breakdown" channels
@@Dragoncraft14both this pod and the breakdown have little to no bias
@@Ghxurmett I wish lol
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This is why i respect leon and viddal. They keep it real. Even they know that the bouncing up and down was never a good gameplan. So now everyone knows that the fight was not rigged but it was close
Leon and Vidal had jj winning, they are saying for them type of judges a traditional boxing style would of favoured jj more. That’s why they were saying to mix it up.
It was definitely close but it’s a draw at best for Tommy. The judges were clearly motivated to “not make a mockery of the sport” and couldn’t bare to see a youtuber take down the fury name. They’d rather judge a fight by gatekeeping the sport rather than just scoring it fairly.
@@Keizi I think they definitely favoured the fury’s a bit more. Again it is what it is. Ksi showed he is level with Tommy when everyone thought he wasn’t.
@@Keiziit’s not gatekeeping by sticking to the fundamentals of the sport. Tommy wasn’t great but he was defiantly the one pushing the pace and actually trying to have an exchange. KSI style is the equivalent to a footballer coming on the pitch and only taking long shots but not doing anything else.
The bouncing up and down/ clinching was KSI's best hope to win.
Now I'm skeptical about KSI vs Jake, it could be another stinky fight.....
KSIs whole gameplan was to knock out Tommy. Tommy ate his shots and ksi had to adjust like they said. However if ksi had boxed more conventionally Tommy would have landed more.
Yeah but when JJ landed the jab and overhand in the first round and it didn’t knock Tommy out (yes you could argue it wasn’t clean), and then there was the whole constant clinching, you need to switch it up. He could’ve easily done three rounds with the bladed stance and then changed it up for the 4th but he didn’t.
@@AdamYT24 Yeah that’s what I mean. KSI couldn’t change his tactics or fighting style and fought the same way throughout the whole fight. Maybe he can’t though. Maybe he doesn’t have the ability to. He’s never punched correctly ever really has he?
@@rayabahmed1624 I mean he can certainly fight without the bladed stance because he’s done it before. You could say that he isn’t successful with all the shots he throws and I would agree, but he could’ve definitely switched stances and still hit Tommy with a few good shots or combinations. JJ just follows orders so if his corner doesn’t tell him to switch the stance/tactics then he won’t do it of his own accord which is something that JJ lacks at the moment. We don’t know if he can read the fight and change if needed, probably not.
@@AdamYT24 Yeah I agree, but that initiative to change styles is usually in the pro scene when fighters are at higher levels. KSI is very inexperienced and doesn’t have the boxing IQ that is necessary to read a fight. But for sure him fighting without the bladed stance for a couple of rounds could have won him the fight but it’s just hypothetical. The bladed stance confused Tommy and make it awkward for him so if JJ boxed more conventionally I believe Tommy would have landed more shots on him and he would be an easier target.
This makes zero sense 😂😂😂
Love these two. Always speaking facts and saying how it is
Slim is ridiculously underrated!
Even tho he won his he didn't performed like that .papi had the first 2 rounds slim was looking really bad he was looking sick but papi underestimated him dropped his guard and got hit .
Slim barely won
Papi got sloppy. He got impatient. He could have destroyed slim otherwise
@@Bx81m2A Shows hes underrated no? Its even harder being down in a fight and turning it around. And i watched the fight back and it wasnt nearly as one sided as people make it seem. People just love to discredit slim, and say only because salt papi did this slim won. If it was slim winning the first few rounds and salt papi winning in the end not as many people would be making excuses for slim and everyone would gas up salt papi.
@@Bx81m2A He pretty T KO'ed him - Thats not barely a win. Salt Papi is the most overated boxer in the history of misfits.
@@Bx81m2Aa beatdown and TKO is not barely🤣🤦♂️
Always highly respect you both, coming with the truth and straight facts
Ksi coach in the corner literally told ksi to not change anything and keep clinching and hope the ref would take more points from tommy
Yep, almost like they just wanted to scam a lucky win and hope the ref would keep siding with them, shit attitude to have in any type of combat sports.
They have no trust in JJs technical ability and I don’t blame him brother can’t even squat properly.
where u see this?
They dievinately told him that but to be fair they also said "we did not let KSI go all out even in the 6th because we thought we won, we didnt want to risk getting knocked down because we are winning.
@qiqueqiqi they wouldn't of said take the fight if they didn't believe in ksi... something happened in a sparing session and when tommy fought jake. They thought okay we can beat tommy this way.
The funny thing is Kenny could have won that fight with ease. I watched the fight back & AT fought almost exactly like Whinderson did against Kenny. The way he was getting on the inside, landing the straight rights, overhand rights & body shots. Only difference is the output, AT had the better output but Kenny could have prevented that from happening if he just cleared his mind & focussed on maneuvering around the ring while he sticks the jab in his face continuously. Constantly standing still and dipping his shoulder while AT bull runs into him was the stupidest thing he could have done. Kenny played AT's game & he lost.
Its understandable why his team were acting the way they did but the way they spoke to him couldnt of helped, surely.
@@N0UG37 Depends on the person really. His coach is his brother & sometimes in a sport like boxing you need to get a reality check. If you lose a fight you can't really expect your corner to compliment you so really I see it as tough love, which is probably the best type of love you can receive from someone. Accepting the harsh truth & adapting is better than living a lie imo.
@@Phqntom2paidd Im not denying that, but even in that situation some people take some things certain ways.
@@N0UG37 Very much true. But with Kenny that isn't the case because if it was then he would have made a team switch by now because In camp it gets even worse.
@@Phqntom2paidd Not really, that's his family. Im sure he's giving his brother money for coaching him, right?
Can we get Pineda another Spanish speaking opponent, he clearly loves to trash talk so allowing him to finally be able to speak without a translator would be great
Viruzz is Spanish and that's a good fight but I don't know if they'll allow him to fight again as he was on the juice against DK money
@@ArthurLyle-xp1gxNo way people would trust him after taking that much steroids
He needs to start learning english and eat chicken!
Icl Salt needs to get on the Leon Wills training program
@rompt3266facts, was just about to say. Needs new trainers, hit his ceiling with them ages ago. Needs a new look
He needs boxing coaches not s&c coach
No Salt Papi just needs to take a new approach he did great losing all that weight but I think the weight loss put a big dent in him and he still looked the same.
He needs to work on defense imo and stop the show boating cus he's a fake humble guy on the low cus he gives none of his opponents respect in the ring
I think deen and Walid could definitely run it back in the future, just cuz walid lost twice doesn’t mean it’s over now, if walid keeps fighting other contenders and can knock ‘‘em off he deserves the shot again, best against the best, ufc is still open to making volk vs holloway 4 bc max continues to prove he is the second best in the division, best and second best always have to scrap
I pray max wins
Volk is Max's kryptonite
That's boring walid will keep getting owned lol. Holloway losing 3 times isn't it
@@MAZZA0113 I thought walid was coming back and could have won if there were more rounds, before i realized deen dislocated his shoulder and hurt his hand, I saw walid make big mistakes in the third round that he had made at the end of their first fight, hopefully he fixes those mistakes I really wanted walid to shut him up
@JohnnyKalan well he can't now he's lost twice in a row to him lol. Deen the great might as well shag his sister after this🤣🤣🤣
I like the fact these guys are real, they are honest and say how it is no matter the circumstances.
Logan’s the first man I’ve seen backed up by a man throwing no punches😂
ISTG I THOUGHT THE SAAME
JJ’s team fully bigged up tommy’s jab, it’s not all that at all, if he boxed as hybrid of both karate and orthodox like you said, he genuinely could’ve won with ease
I disagree. Tommy landed some really good counterpunches and KSI reacted by clinching after every right hand he’d throw. Had KSI tried to land more, he would’ve kept getting caught and possibly stopped.
@@malibutaatommy ain't stopping anyone he's terrible
@@kelvinkid9565 Maybe, but If he kept landing the way he was when he countered KSI, he would’ve put him away.
@@malibutaanah both of you are right , there was team he could have low-key switched it up and hit a few more jabs and uppercuts
Tbh all of you are making up fair points. I just feel like if the ref did not allow much clinching, they both would be able to show more. All the potential strategy just went out the window when they realised they could just hold on and wait it out. Mistake from both parts but Tommy being the pro boxer should've had an answer to it. The fact he was getting outworked in the clinch too makes me even more disappointed for Tommy ngl
Ril and Wills coming with facts, my biggest annoyance is KSI didn’t go for a hybrid style. In the 2 fights one night, Fournier and Faze fights he didn’t solely use the bladed style. He needs to mix it with traditional footwork and boxing in addition to his awkward style. Got to snatch the fight outta the judges hands, similar to Logan 2 fight plenty of bodywork and sternum punches to get the points. His camp needs traditional minds because he can’t solely work for a knockout on a single punch and reaction.
Hot take - I don’t think Jake and JJ are fighting each other, the build of their paths has gotten so lucrative the necessity has wained.
Yea they deff chased the overhand to the surprise of no one. But yea that style he has can work but he needs something else, very one dimensional. they just wanted to get their one shot off make it ugly and try and dirty box in the clinch.
I agree
i disagree i dont think there is any hype for jake vs any mma guy or ksi rematching tommy. i think jake vs ksis build up will build the hype
@@jiahaogoh2822 I don't think most people would want to see ksi fight Tommy again, but Ksi has such a huge pull in the UK audience that global ppv sales may not be the highest I can still see his fans filling out the arena. I think ksi Jake is the fight to make. Whoever wins gets the rematch with tommy.
@@ryansiroproductions yup, and the storyline is there
Im glad you man said the truth about kenny. AT had a game plan which has never changed and it was up to kenny to deal with it and he couldnt. Then all this talk post fight about AT not letting kenny work and it was boring. Shouldve dealt with him then 🤷♂️
There is truth and merit in that, I too was disappointed that Kenny couldn't and didn't deal with it. But also, AT is trash man. The fact that it's just a thing now, it's known he just throws an overhand and immediately clinches. It's awful to watch. Kenny should've dealt with it alot better, but AT is awful
@@ip96.7.21While true it's not the best to watch, tbh lol there isn't much someone like AT could do when he's short with t-rex arms, his limited game should have been a clear and easy win for Kenny
@@nitsuj2243it is kindave annoying tho all he rambles on about is his “peakaboo” style but all he does is clinch, I like Kenny but there was so much else he could’ve done he should’ve threw his hands way more and circled AT
Watch AT whoop KSI if they fight next
SLIM VS GIB will be the greatest fight for any card. That is another must see fight.
Slim is demolishing gib ngl
question, on what cared and for what promotion will gib fight? if not kingpyn, don't think misfits will take him after what he did, also creator clash probably doesn't have good opponents for him unless he and slim agree to fight there or maybe kenny, but these guys are on misfits
seems like gib overplayed his hand a bit and without kingpyn, i don't see where is he gonna fight, will ksi even let him back on misfits hmmmmmm
@@DreamLurker32lol, this comment didn't age well
I think JJ needs new coaching, he’s too powerful to be dancing around like that
The power was just hype. Only useful against smaller opponents
@@garysanders8350look at your comments. Your opinion means nothing.
@@UsykWillBeatFuryViaEzDecision your name says everything about your opinion nitwit
@@UsykWillBeatFuryViaEzDecisionlook at your name. You AND your opinion means nothing
The amount of energy KSI wastes jumping up and down is mad. I’ve tried it, it’s very draining. He’ll have so much more punching energy if he stops doing jumping jacks all fight long
He’s too focused on trying to force a unique style instead of just winning fights.
All us Ksi fans have to admit he needed to get humbled gutted for him but that's see how he comes back
He definitely didn't get humbled, this was literally the best way for him to "lose" the fight
Nothing about the fight suggests he got humbled Lmaoo , he went the distance with a guy who’s been boxing his whole life , and arguably drew the fight.
Why would he need to get humbled? He's taking this shit seriously, he's not overlooking nobody clearly. If that's not true then he can't be too confident.
@@spreadwuvokay people just hate someone’s that believes in themselves , they want him to come out and say he’s bad just so it suits them , thats not how it works 😂
If KSI's appeal don't get overturned I'd like to see main event KSI - JPaul with co-main Viddal - Tommy Fury. If the problem for Fury is that Viddal dosent sell enough tickets, then put it on a Misfits card.
Only problem is finding a governing body to score the fights, because there will be influencers on the card
Viddal can't fight on Misfits. He is signed to SkySports. I don't think he wants to end his deal just to fight on an influencer card.
@@Electro4890 Ah shit, didn't know. But I do think misfits can come up with a deal that is wort enough for him to end his deal with sky. They won't, but probably could.
Tommy's too focussed on the money fights. Kinda annoying, a lot of people would watch Viddal vs Tommy
N Logan said Jake needs help
Yeah but the “it’s more on tommy” is not a criteria for the judges so he won
Man, Leon is full of wisdom and knowledge! Love hearing his thoughts!
40:53 did leon just indirectly call KSI trash by saying Tommy is supposed to be a boxer and couldnt even handle KSI fighting like that bruh lol
Yup
48:00 I have a feeling my brother Viddal is talking about how his pops holds him to a higher standard. Because if you see viddal's fights uncle Derek shows he's proud of his son of course but he truly believes in his son's abilities with such certainty that he always plays it down a bit as well.
Keeping it hella ril as always
JJ missed an opportunity to expose Tommy. Wish you guys had been in his camp
he still kinda exposed tommy
He did expose him lol, but I get what you’re saying I think you meant to say he missed the opportunity to exploit him
That wasn’t exposed wtf KSI exposed himself that he can’t box
@@orochi5919 he didn’t expose himself as nobody before the fight said he could box anyways, however everybody was overrating Tommy heavily hence why Tommy got exposed
I’m glad they mentioned Gib vs Taylor cause as soon as robbery was mentioned, i was thinking that fight was a robbery clear as day. JJ simply needed to do more to get the win and Tommy should have definitely done way better. I agree with the draw but maybe JJ to win with the point deduction but ye hope JJ is all good.
I know Viddal does not really want be on an influencer boxing card, but I think Misfits should do a Tommy vs Viddal as one of their pro division fights
The best podcast channel on RUclips Rill and Wills
In the words of Apollo Creed, "He won, but he didn't beat him."
Thank you joseph!
watched the whole ting, you legends
Can’t wait to see how they react when they see Walid already has another fight coming up in a month
Finally been waiting for the rillest upload
Entertaining podcast watched all the way thru
Been waiting for this video.I swear you guys make my day.
38:17 “what in the ras is this”😂😂😂😂
If Tommy Fury ever fights Viddal Riley there should be an ambulance next to the ring
Don’t over exaggerate lmao, viddal would school him and win by UD
Viddal has mad potential to be a world champ
Talking the truth as always. Loving the content guys keep it up. Be great to meet you at one of the events.
I love how they arent afraid to speak their mind
shoutout to joseph!
these man speak straight facts respect it
Bruv finally was waiting for this vid
I did not think JJ would last so the fact that he won rounds is impressive for me. Tommy threw
Swarmz needs confidence, give him someone he can knockout. Like ginty 🤣
Swarmz had confidence, hence why he got ko'd 😂
@@ip96.7.21 he fractured his ankle, he would have gotten up 💀 yes i believe ed would have still ended up knocking him out, but not in that fashion. I mean give Swarmz a fight where he can be on the front foot and not fighting out of the corner
@@caxsfsso give him a lesser opponent so he can beat them easily?
He needed to shell up like he did with Deji. He was upset that he shelled too much againsr Deji and decided to try engage with Ed's haymakers.. just the wrong plan from Swarmz.. he needs to realise that different fights need different plans
Painful to rewatch, shame on Tommy for not punishing JJ more and JJ's team for not making him box at least one round. Too close for comfort
If JJ boxed it wouldn't have been closed Tommy would have won that easily
Love hearing you guys point of view 👏🏾👌🏾
Tommy must’ve been talking about a misfits world title when he talks about a world title lol
Kenny vs salt papi now makes a lot of sense, both coming off losses, both want to fight each other, and the winner of them can become the next title contender, salts not gonna clinch like At, he’s gonna force a proper scrap out of Kenny and that’s I fight I wanna see
I agree. I wouldn’t mind if Kenny and Salt Papi took an easy fight before they fought each other though. A solid win would get people more hyped about the fight and we’ll see if both guys show us something new. Raksu is a guy that could potentially give both Salt and Kenny a competitive fight, so I don’t really mind a match with him either.
Leon is for sure too biased, Viddal showing no bias at all to me which is cool. Because clearly he wanted KSI to win but he also understands KSI didn't do a lot.
Thank you!!@
Nah I dont think Leon understands how funny he is sometimes. I clocked ever since he made that Idris Elba joke about Idris Virgo 😂
Leon is one funny guy
28:20 i kept saying the weight loss played a big factor and people tried tellin me i was yappin lol
I wanna say if Deen vs Walid were to happen again IT HAS TO BE MAIN EVENT
Edit: Wish both of them the best especially Walid bless him
Deen wipes the floor with walid
if Kenny was to fight Gib ...Gib is EASILY flat lining him if AT was able to close the gap like that Gib is making him fold under all the pressure breaking his ribs
Bro you can tell Gib would win easily just based off his fights with Mcbroom😂.
50:54 bros in love with jade
i agree man, i think if Jj lands with his feet planted or a hook with some real rotation and rip, it coulda been long for Tommy - as you lot said with the uppercut.
Maybe Jj should use the starjumps as a hybrid - or back it out every now and then
Leon commentary was legendary!👌🏾😂
You can tell JJ wasn't confident when the final bell went, his face and demeanour told the whole story
Same thing with tyson fury and John fury, they didn't think tommy won until they heard his name
I do think Tommy and viddal will cross paths in the future and that’s where I think a lot of his opinion comes from. Both have big names both I think want similar things. So it makes sense why he’s saying these things but he’s not wrong.
Leon should train JJ again and work with his team
Leon is strength and conditioning coach there’s no need
@@officialdownload4 u say that but look at gib he has a better engine and is more technically sound
@@musaibriaz1530 again, Leon is not his boxing coach, and gib definitely doesn’t have a better engine than JJ, you could argue they’re about the same, but JJ’s style is hard to do for the whole fight and he still does it.
@@officialdownload4 I’m sayin get Leon back as the SNC
Honestly, I WANT to see Viddal Riley Vs Tommy Fury and prove who has world champion title XD
Love ya guys always honest and keeping it real :)
After Tommy going the distance with both Jake and ksi, one being a below average boxer. Other one can't even box at all, viddal kills Tommy
Tommy is still a novice, he has dreams of becomming a champion, Whats wrong with that? He doesnt have the skill to become champion rn.
you want viddal kills tommy? 😂
It's disrespectful to even put Viddal and Tommy in the same category 😂😂😂😂
You kids don't know anything about boxing. Tommy Fury isn't a proper cruiserweight and fights at catchweight between 177 and 185lbs. Whereas Viddal fights at 200lbs cruiserweight. Moreover, Viddal has much more experience than him, represented GB in the Olympics, and had an excellent amateur record of beating Daniel Dubois and CBS in the amateurs. There are levels in boxing and Viddal would beat him, as how Jai Opetaia would knockout Viddal within 2 rounds.
The realest
The goats 🐐
35:06 agreed , this is why Dillon won in my opinion,carried the whole fight lead up , disrespected Logan and his wife and Logan did nothing about it while Dillon just walked through and showed how tough he is, he humiliated Logan without even having to do anything lol
Oh gosh-
Honest and Spot on
Though it probably won't happen, JJ needs ya'll in camp again
No he doesn’t, 1 loss doesn’t mean he needs to switch his camp.
Why ? he went the distance against a pro boxer and he barely lost lmao, he basically drew 😂
I keep saying I could see deen and whalid on a actual pro undercard, both young guys, who usually pad their stats vs some trash but they are fighting each other
Such a real podcast
KSI vs Jake Paul
Logan Paul vs Bradley Martin
Slim vs Anesongib
Yuddygang vs Deen the Great
Dell vs Joe Weller
Ed Mathews vs Bryce Hall
Bdave-Pineda vs Nich-Wassabi 2
Salt Papi vs Rak Su
Idris Virgo vs Mike Perry
OJ rose vs Anthony Taylor
King Kenny vs Temper 2
Armz vs Chase
Barbie vs Jully Poca
Virgo vs Perry should be its own event
The switch up by everyone was crazy, everyone expected Tommy to smoke ksi but it was so close. If the Judges didn’t favour a traditional boxing style the fight was a ksi win.
If this was a competent ref KSI would have been penalized for excessive clinching and forced to fight different or disqualified. This fight was rigged in KSI's favor in every regard except weight and he still lost.
Tommy will rematch him but it would need to be a proper 8 round pro sanctioned boxing match.
@@extraterrestrialhorse9722 bro said sanctioned bout as if this wasn’t, both of them were clinching, Tommy constantly smothering his work and leaving no distance means he clinch’s. If you believe Tommy didn’t initiated half the clinch’s then your delusional. Tommy even got a point taken off him when he fought Jake for Clinching.
It wasn’t a win at all. Same jumping, same overhand, clinch, rinse and repeat. Tommy was the one who kept pushing forward, and judges favour the aggressor every time. It was terrible fight from both, but in no world did ksi win
@@aqeelraja4750 if Tommy was as good as half of yous gassed him up to be he would of fought on the back foot and countered ksi. Ksi out landing Tommy in 3 of 6 rounds and landing significantly more power shots clearly means it was a win with a 1 point deduction.
@@aliasif5099 it wasn't sanctioned by an actual pro commission hence why I said that. It was sanctioned by the PBA and they paid BoxRec extra to put it on there as a pro bout.
Even then, Tommy would have also been penalized for clinching like you said when you refered to the Jake fight which had a much stricter ref. This would have stopped this fight from becoming a clinch fest and play out like an actual boxing match. Add 2 rounds to that and Tommy wins decisively with knockdowns.
KSI was smart and fast.
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40:30 this isn’t being talked about enough.
Tommy didnt land anything significant on JJ or show JJ that he’s more experienced. He’s an influencer boxer at the absolute best.
that's the thing, i believed ksi won round 2 as well but they gave round 2 to tommy. check the scorecard please.
They gave it even with the deduction, was probably the closest round, so not really a bad shout.
They said round 2 was a draw. Honestly looking back at the back of the head shots ksi gave he should've lost a point too
Rematch should be 8 rounds+ only we to settle this
I'd watch it
Why would you wanna see that fight again. Barely even a fight, just do ksi v Jake and get it over with ffs. Then ksi can go away
Apparently KSI wanted 8 rounds at 180 but after Tommy won he's definitely not going to meet his demands for a rematch.
Also is there any hype seeing that fight again but it being even longer I don't think so
@@ip96.7.21 christ what did he do to you? Pee in your cereal?? Lol 🤣
@@jacktease27 well I can see why when you put it that way. The reason JJ fought Tommy in the first place was because he thought he'd do better than Jake. Technically he did, Jake pretty much got pummeled (not bad but still), while JJ made the match incredibly unorthodox which through Tommy off. However he was obviously still cautious that he's get combo'd by Tommy so that why he clenched him.
However again, since he fought Tommy and realized that he's okay, but he isn't the greatest boxer in the world, he wants to actually go in and possibly go to town I guess.
Just thinking how ksi would probably see it.
Tommy acts like he better than RUclipsrs but he not 😂 same level
Ksi acts like he invincible confidence turned into arrogance
I feel like If viddal coached JJ, he wouldve won the fight or at least go toe to toe with tommy. his current coach seems like a YES man
That's what I said the aggressive person always win. tommy was pushing the fight, where ksi didn't
We need raksu vs AT!!
all KSI gameplan was just waited for the lucky knockout....he should change his coach and team....it was ridiculous he still did a 'Karate' stand...fighting like a Dragon Ball character
Bro your podcast is fire glad I found this
If the guy that was trained by Viddal barely looses, imagine what Viddal himself would to tommy
On the astrid situation she's been training boxing for over a year and still only throws a jab and cross
Thats all you need sometimes, that 1-2 is the stuff all coaches try to drill into you.
Consistently the realest 👏🏾🫡 Never a bad take in sight.
1 judge gave round 5 to JJ, 1 Judge gave round 6 to JJ. Both of these judges gave round 2 to Tommy (which was clearly JJ's). If KSI's team are appealing round 2 scoring, there's at least a small chance it could get overturned. With round 2 going to JJ, it makes the fight 57-56 to him
It won't get overturned.... it was Unanimous decision... It's impossible to overturn that decision...
@@Handlerhandleyou can appeal even if it’s a unanimous decision. Ksi already sent the appeal
@feartheflipper He can appeal but it'll still won't work for him...
Delusional
we want THE RILEST fighting ASAP. The only pro boxer - youtuber.
Leon made very good points in this video!! Especially about Kenny and Walid...
I wish Ksi's coach would let him loose in the last 2 rounds pushing tommy back while keeping his hands up in the pocket
I'm saying this because KSI at some point was pushing him back with power punches but throwing 2 , clinch and reset was underutilizing his abilities
@@deathshadowx5790we can both agree JJ needs new Coaches 😂
@@Xander2026 Well, Alexis admitted that there were some mistakes in an interview so that is one thing that is a good sign.
I'm not saying that they were not effective, but telling KSI that he is winning and cruise till the end with no pressing is not a good idea since the game plan was to knock Fury out.
It is left to the judges, you have to convince them that you got the upperhand by pressing in the last round at least.
I would hope that they go off on what worked against Tommy and add variety to his arsenal in a rematch if it happens.
Ngl bdave REALLY impressed me in the tag team match
2 best people on youtube! Best channel on youtube along with Viddal Main channel
Viddel could you do a video on how to score boxing. Would be super interesting
What baffles me is after all the hard sparring and training that William supposedly goes through, the intensity of which I do not doubt, he turns up to every fight looking like that. Why is a person with really no fundamental boxing skills, from an objective perspective, trying to reinvent boxing? That style is clearly not suiting him as he can barely connect with a viable punch.
29:35 😂😂😂😂 bro had me laughing
Logan & Jake vs JJ & Deji - That might be the biggest commercial boxing match of all time which hurts my soul to say being someone who the loves the sweet Science
Deen vs Walid III can wait I need to see Deen vs Yuddy because in that tag team match Yuddy was piecing him up.
I’m pretty sure this Deen would piece Yuddy up, still would be a great fight though
Yuddy vs Walid would be a great match for Walid to show his skills again and warm up for a potential rerun
Tommy needed to adjust. He fought KSI's game and it was messy. If Tommy actually boxed he would of won with ease tbh. Granted its hard to box someone that doesnt want to box but Tommy is a pro he should be able to. I do think with some of the big hits KSI was taking that if the fight went 8 rounds we may have seen a KO or atleast a knockdown.
Naw if Tommy could have won easily then he would have so give JJ some credit, Tommys just not that good.
FINALLY DA REALEST!!!! everyone screams robbery when their favorite guy doesn’t win. Just like they said Haney vs Loma was a robbery 😂😂
I respect you guys now