henri and francis pellissier 1924: (after abandoning due to a fight on the road with henri desgrange over rules regarding clothing removal, showed the reporter a case of pills rattling around) "in short, we run on dynamite"
Contador later mentioned how he trusted nobody on the team except for his personal mechanic. They had to store his bikes in the hotel room to prevent potential sabotage.
Alberto also had to use his brother's help to get back to his hotel after the race. Even Lance Drugstore playing al his sadistic games didn't keep Contador back all that much.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex he didn't need to do anything when your the greatest in the world. When your not, you can too! show others your NOT. He's a clown....
I read that Greg Lemond had to do something similar in '86. Sometimes your teammates; not rival cyclists or the course itself are your biggest obstacles...
Me too. While I watched here and there, this was my first full TdF I saw from beginning to end. Made me a true fan to this day, and an avid cyclist too. I have to thank my son for watching this! For some reason, at his young age he had a liking to the race and I was hooked, and have been since. Only cycling makes endurance events exciting to watch. Even the media battle between Lance and Alberto was awesome on that Tour. Very well done documentary, BTW. I feel it explains well for the casual fan too.
@Christy Dolan yes you do have a point. The funny thing is I really hated both lance and Alberto and we all knew they were cheats, everybody knew, this was so common, that even people who didn't watch TDF knew... but what I get goosebumps over is the drama and the small stabs when talking to the press, which is rare today, this fights are moved to Twitter and even in interviews they'll have staff with then to hold their hands
My favourite era is the mid to late 80’s when LeMond, Hinault, Fignon, Delgado etc were battling it out for the MJ. Very close and so exciting.
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This movie is unreal. It doesn't tell what really happened in team Astana. That Contador has won this Tour almost on his own, with just one mechanic he could trust. The rest of the team, lead by Armstrong and Bruyneel, were against him, showing really low life, intimidating behaviour. So cool that Contador succeeded, despite all the shit from Armstrong cs.
The funny story is... it is tradition that the winner of the TdF buy his teammates a gift for their work. Contador bought watches, he delivered the watch to Lance at the next year's TdF. Lance was on the team bus and refused to meet Contador to accept the watch. Contador could have sent it to him... but he wanted to look Lance in the eyes and let him know he kicked his ass.
@@tom2038 I do, cheats have no place in sports, anyone who does not dope is a better cyclist that Armstrong! That includes club cyclists! Armstrong is a twat!
Sometimes the stronger teammate doesn't win because of the team's strategy. Like Contador, Lemond was the better/stronger rider in the 1985 TDF. However, Lemond followed/obeyed the La Vie Claire's team strategy and allowed Hinault to win his fifth TDF.
By the start of the 2009 Tour de France, Contador had won the previous three grand tours he had entered, along with many other races, and he was strong enough to win the 2009 Tour without full team support. But you think he should have followed/obeyed the team strategy when Armstrong hadn't won a road race since 2005? He was getting screwed by Bruyneel and Astana, so he turned the tables.
I was fortunate enough to film Contador recently while he was in Texas of all places and he had nothing but complimentary things to say about Lance both on screen and off. He seemed to really be motivated by Lance.
I was this when the drama was unfolding on TV. And it still gets my heart racing. I know they were doped all the way silly back then, and still use whatever they can to ease pain and help them go faster. But man, some dramatic races.
What's funny as hell is that this was absolutely Lance's downfall. If he just left well enough alone and retired the first time and didn't try to come back and prove he was better than Contador (first w Astana then w Radio Shack), the 2010 US Federal investigation, the only one that stuck, would have never happened. Some people don't know when to quit while they're ahead.
You're absolutely right. But Lance came away a better person for having been found out and dragged through the mud. He needed to be caught for his own good.
@Concrete Head No, I'm not joking. People do fucked up shit. People can be real assholes. And if they get away with it they have no reason to change. He got himself caught, which was the catalyst for change, for the better. Have you listened to his podcasts or follow what he's been up to these days? Or do you look at it through the lens of the mainstream media like most people who continue to bash on the guy do?
Contador won the tour by himself, the entire team including the director were supporting lance, even Lance said:if he rides physically as good as he did in 2009 and can be controlled by a team director who makes the decisions instead of him--he'll be almost impossible to beat.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 no revisionism . Doping is contrary to the spirit of sport. Lance broke those rules and went on an unprecedented run with doping. His rivals also doped , thus no winner could be declared. The races were void from a GC point of view . What we saw were freak show exhibitions and people like you (weee you even into cycling back then ? Were you even born ? ) There we’re enough knowledgeable people who didn’t believe that cancer boy would be a genuine GC contender, especially when he never shown potential before cancer
Contador’s acceleration and burst was just too explosive for everyone during his prime. Even Lance admitted on air he wasn’t following that back then. Alberto will always be a special cyclist to me. Gifted, talented, and such a class act.
In their prime Lance could have handled Contador. I’m talking the US Postal days. I’m not taking anything away from Contador though as he was awesome in his own right. Both in their absolute prime would have been the greatest TDF’s ever.
Clearly he was not a class act as he was not about team. He screwed the team and Kloeden destroyed any chance for Kloeden to hit top 3. Spanish weasel is more likely the case.
It’s amazing how most comments of this have zero reference that any doping took place and this was an amazing battle between someone in their 20s vs some near their 40s
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Lance had already died, but decided to come back and watch his world fall apart.
in those days rivalry was present in some teams,especially Astana,and that was more intense,and created more expectations for the race itself and for the general public,wich was good.
Rui.....Yep, the rivalry sure made the early stages of the race VERY interesting. Personally I was pulling for Lance, and really wanted to see him in yellow again, but jeez things must have been incredibly awkward within the Astana team.
@@billbobaggins801 i don't think it would be easy to find a rider any where on earth, from any generation, that worked harder or was more focused and determined than Lance Armstrong. Im from Europe and i respect Armstrongs sheer desire to destroy anything (or anyone) that gets in his way. Regardless of what he did and how he treated people, i can still draw inspiration from him. Anywaze Mr. Billbo Baggins, i hope that you are well and good!
Nah, I watched that Tour every day. Lance wasn’t as strong as Alberto, even though the whole Astana team was working for Lance, Alberto was far stronger.
You must be kidding. Armstrong were far stronger and better than Contador when they both were in their prime. Contador was only stronger than the old Armstrong. And yes, I watched just about it all from the 90`s until today. And I personally have been in cycling.
@@Norwegian733 why don't you read comments before writing? He clearly wrote "I watched that Tour every day, Lance wasn't as strong as Alberto..."; he isn't kidding - he is telling the truth, in this TdF Armstrong was not even close to Contador fitness. Nobody talks about other TdF's or the 90`s.........
@Robert Trageser Yeah, Indurain never had any suspicion over him, and actually neither did his big rivals like Bugno, Chiapucci or Rominger. The 96 Tour when he was thoroughly beaten by Rijs and the rest, was proven to be totally drug addled. I don't know, Indurain had a privileged body for cycling, his lung capacity was out of this world and he was one of the smartest riders out there in terms of preserving energy. He did not dominate every single time trial and mountain stage like Lance did. But yes, I suspect he was also on something. I don't think any human can run a 3 week race like that at those speeds just eating pasta and not have a bad day along the way, but I am no sport scientist.
What an absolute garbage human. He thinks the world revolves around him. Typical american arrogance. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it will be kinda suspicious to return to top form after 4 years break at age 37.... Lance Dopestrong, American Hero!
Lance will never say I got beat doesn’t matter if you were a better doper than him or if you were a foot ahead of him he is so messed up it does not matter I hope he can find peace
The comeback was literally the beginning of his end. If he never came back, none of the people would have talked, the bodies would have remained buried. But because he couldn't leave well enough alone, he paid the price.
Obsession & his own jealousy was his greatest demise! He already knew he was the best pure climber In history of the Tour, but to not only be jealous of the up & coming Cantador, It was far too difficult to see someone else hoisting the crown other than himself. His cannibalistic ways caught up to him, BUT HE Never admittedly under oath stated he used doping as a means to gain & keep advantages over his foe.
Lance armstrong was the athlete that made me grow up. I no longer looked at athletes for inspiration or admired them. Theyre just humans. Theyre not titans like i believed as a kid.
There's nothing wrong with looking up to athletes or sports heroes. And that's because there's nothing wrong with using drugs in sport, it's actually the sensible thing to do and is better for your body. I think Lance Armstrong was a legend and still is. A true winner.
Armstrong was greedy, he should have stayed retired and maybe he would have never been caught but his ego got the best of him and finally justice was made and even though everyone was doping at the time the french and Europeans in general weren't going to let an american win that many tours.
He always would have been caught. The US government stepped in because his team used government funds back in the day (US Postal). All 'cycling insiders' knew there was epo since the beginning of the 90s in general. My brother used to race, very low level though. But even there and then, everyone kind of knew the deal (talking beginning 90's). It had nothing to do with France or America. Armstrong (probably) won fair and square. His luck just ran out. Although I read he's doing podcasts now, I doubt he'll end up poor.
Armstrong was told by the Dr who helped him dope that without drugs he would never win a tour with his physiology and would only be an average rider. I raced in the 80s and Alberto was totally in a different class and such a nice guy, not a narcissistic bully like Armstrong. Armstrong threw riders off of his team if they refused to dope.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 If I remember correctly the claim was actually made by Greg LeMond in private discussions with David Walsh after one of the doctors who provided Armstrong's experimental cancer treatment inadvertently divulged Lance's VO2 max number. The number in question although high enough to make Armstrong a professional athlete wasn't even close for him to be competitive on the climbs of TdF. In a movie called "The Program" based on the book "Seven Deadly Sins" by David Walsh they chose to drop Greg LeMond from the story and reworked the scene so it was dr. Ferrari who told Lance that it meant "he was born to lose" before starting him on the eponymous program of scientific doping. In terms of grand tour peloton Armstrong was a middle of the pack rider who couldn't climb. Before scientific and strategic blood doping and use of steroids to improve recovery masterminded by Michelle Ferrari gave him a completely new physiology he was just a one day racer even though he was already taking all the stuff that the top European riders were taking at the time. He was still vulnerable during his first TdF wins, so he bolstered his team with top talent and got all of them on the same doping program so they could carry and protect him in the mountains.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 well before EPO he competed in four tours and ‘did not finish’ three. It depends on your definition of average I guess but he didn’t show signs of being a potential GC leader before the EPO
@@HkFinn83LOL. Look up Cyrille Guimard. You have no idea what EPO is nor what anyone does to plan a life around success in sports. You just repeat nonsense that you picked up. Inane gossip.
@@rh_BOSS Greg Lemond does not understand anything well enough to explain it to high school students. He spoke nothing but BS about his supposed medical problems after getting shot. He doesn't even know what his ADR team injected him with when he repeated his vitamin injections stories. And you distorted his childish gossip about Armstrong. Modern urban legends rather than trying to figure out what evidence you have or even what is plausible or even possible at all.
Heidi Karinen Doping was in the sport long before Armstrong came along. He was just playing the European cycling game as it already existed. If the sport had been clean from the beginning, Armstrong would have competed clean. He was playing their game. Most American pro cyclists have stated they never doped until they went to Europe. And the last few years, they rarely doped. It had gotten just too difficult for them to get away with.
The differences are not that great. Only in the long Tours do you have doping as a major factor. The drugs do not make anyone stronger. They help manage recovery so that your naturally developed strength can be restored in time to meet the challenges of the events raced. For modern tour specialists it also helps prepare outside of the racing circuits because their form is easier to predict in terms of timing the training and rest cycles. Before the hematocrit tests there are stories of "massive" increases in peak power (over one to two hours). But that period lasted for only a few years and Lance was an amateur at that time. They started doing hematocrit "health checks" shortly after riders started dying at statistically unlikely rates from heart attacks. The same is true with testosterone and even corticoids. The levels that they can get away with (sometimes) using just aids recovery. Their form is only marginally better because it's marginally more predictable when they can attack the time trials and mountain stages without destroying their fitness (when short term recovery is compromised) on subsequent stages.
Greg LeMond retired because he wasn't prepared to start doping in the early 1990's. Which is what he would have had to do if he'd wanted to stay competitive. Even Fignon did the same thing, because he wasn't going to start taking EPO and HGH.
The biggest factor of Lance winning al those years (mostly the last three) was having a team that was focused on the tour, and the tour only. How Postal/discovery controlled the tour from start to finish was quite phenomenal. Bigger budget, better focus, better bikes, better domestiques, less focus on getting points in the rest of the season. They tried it again in '09, but everyone saw those times were about to change..
Nice finding! Currently I have a OneUp dropper post that I use for winter. I keep my Rockshox AXS for summer. I got also the fox transfer. I wonder how is the Vertical Helium Dropper Post from Spain.
20:16 - i know that im super old and super cynical but it does make me chuckle when people in cycling talk about honour or morality or the 'spirit' of the race.
@@goo5976 Yeah. He is right. Some of the fans just don't want to know. People who still believe in clean professional sports probs also still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. Kinda adorable.
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. It's always great to see the beauty bicycles that they rode back then. The Disc brakes really spoilt the good look of the bicycles. it truly is the biggest gimmick in the history of bicycles. it is really sad.
@@TobiasImmerstein-tm3gp Yeah, I mean Contador won despite having his own team against him that year! Both riders AND team manager! Who ever had to overcome such a hurdle?
@Robert Trageser I remember when that unnamed person claimed number 7. I ripped all the Campy Drivetrain off my bike and got a new SRAM Force 10-speed setup. I figured if it was good enough for unnamed number 7 it was good enough for me. I'm not really sorry because it turns out to be better for gravel bikes but I wouldn't have done it otherwise.
@Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj I saw Alberto Contador in Madrid, it was a Dinner Engagement. It was through a friend's company and I didn't have any relation to anybody there, but fun. He doesn't look the same in person but I didn't get terribly close. He was doing autographs but there was a long line. I guess I should have gotten him to sign my 2006 Liberty Seguros Würth.
After 3 years off and at 37 I think you'll find it was incredible that he made that podium. Contador's last podium on a Grand Tour was made in 2015 when he was 32. So from age 32 onward Contador was incapable of making podium in a 3 week major race.
Well to be fair to Lance, it's a poor comparison because we're comparing a 37 year old Lance, who hasn't raced competitively for 4 years, against a much younger Contador, at the peak of his powers. All said and done - if we leave the doping to one side (and they both had Tour de France titles taken away), then Lance has won 7, and Contador 3.
@@JimChap Contador also won the Giro and Vuelta. Races Lance did not even race. Contador was the better racer. If you total Grand Tour wins (giving each their DQed races becasue Lance would have none without them) it is Contador 9 Lance 7.
@@Sills71 It is the TDF at issue here not any minor races Stupid and fool. You may win all other world races including TDF but it is TDF that will make one the better cyclist.
@@serotta50 he is the one who signed onto a team that already had a clear #1 rider. Then acts like a child when it's time to support Contador. Cycling is a team sport.
That Lance was off the Pro Tour for three years and decides to come back and does the TDF and gets on the podium is as impressive as having cancer and coming back for a win.
He should have stayed in retirement. He probably would still have his name next to those 7 victories. No one ever showed up at the Tour with his level of focus, will to win at all costs and preparation.
Contador was as big a doper as Lance. Heck he was on Lance's team. And the idea that Lance caused others to dope is a joke. From Indurain on cycling was a rolling pharmacy.
They were doping in Le tour from its inception in one way or another All the 5 times club are gonna have been juiced to the gills, lance was just the best at it
Problem with lance was his narcissism that ruined other people’s lives for his transgression. No one did more to taint a sport than LA at the expense of others.
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This was la Vie Claire part 2,only with much more doping.Both Astana leaders been caught,Leipheimer confessed,Kloden has clouds over him during his days at Telekom alongside Jan Ullrich
@@calinmarian98 I thought the same until I learned he used the same 'doctor' as Lance, Roche etc. I tend to believe he was clean when he won, things do change. But still he's on a list no one wants to be on.
@@calinmarian98 I believe Andy was clean - I'm saying that as he was a consistent rider and disnt have peaks and troughs. Excellent climber, his Time Trialling was a weak link. He'd have won 1 or 2 TdF is that was better. Frank had a 'minor' dismeanour later in his career, not sure what and how that all panned out but he got suspended.
There is no proof of that. The only proof is that Contador destroyed Armstrong, won 7 GT (9) and Armstrong 0 (7 if you want count). Then Contador won more than Armstrong in any case.
Lance should never have come out of retirement. And then to be shown he clearly wasn't as strong as Contador, I completely can't understand why he then went to radio shack instead of going back into retirement. Ego I suppose.
He formed Team Radio-Shack, all of his fanboy nut-hugers followed him, entire team Astana! Just goes to show what Contador had to fight against in 2009. Ego is helluwadrug, and EPO is hell of a drug too.
Contador vs. Armstrong... Contador 3 Giro wins, 3 TdF wins... (plus 4th 5th and 9th), 3 Vuelta wins (plus 2x 4th)... Armstrong 7 TdF wins.. never raced the Giro or Vuelta... 9 Grand Tours vs. 7... plus Contador won Paris Nice 2x... Tirreno 1x and Tour or Basque 4 times... Clearly Contador was the better stage racer.
Fail x2, Lance world Road race champion 1993, a good few stage race wins, many stage wins @ TDF against other banned during their career dopers, beat them with a whooping Contador twice banned Operacion Puerto, & the dodgy Beef & Lance rode well in the Giro 2009, use the internet a tad more, Contadoper vs Pharmstrong same age same we will never know, 37 vs 26 in 2009 old vs young
In a era where everyone was doping...wonder why everyone hates Lance? The vast majority of the sport was doping and y'all gonna hate on one man because he was successful...gimme a break! Lance was a beast, doping or not. If it was a clean sport, he would have still been the best...he was just the best of everyone doping as well. Where he was an asshole was ruining other careers over defending the doping...thats where I lost respect.
All the big hitters throughout cycling history have doped, Merckx, Moser, Hinault, Indurain etc etc No-one wants to hit on those giants despite people like Merckx getting caught and subsequently being DQ'd from three of the big races incl the TdF!
a dose of reality for you : LA in his first three TDF's : DNF----DNF ----36th place........Lance was average at best before he doped.......Greg Lemond outclasses Armstrong as a man and a cyclist. One is honorable, the other is a corrupt narcissist
@@richardgaines1647 So you are compairing non doped cyclists versus doped cyclists and comes to the conclusion that the non doped cyclists is an average cyclist, great comparison!
@@richardgaines1647 DNF, DNF and 36th place...against an entire peleton that was on the juice...c'mon man...don't cherry pick facts. Yes his first three TDF weren't good...but that was against everyone that was doping. Once on the juice, like everyone else, he was dominant.
At 32:11, Lance says "I've got seven of them at home." This sums up his lousy attitude. He's only okay with not being the best because he's won 7 times. Sore loser. Can't just be happy for his teammates. He has to put in a word about his past successes.
@@The-Real-Spaniard Contador doped. Pantani doped. Ulrich doped. Mercx doped. Everybody did. Even with that in your system, you still have to work your ass and train like a crazy idiot.
This version of lance reminds me of “Big Ern “ Ernie McCracken from kingpin. Lance is the “crafty veteran.” But over time, youth and power won out in the long run.
I understand that perspective, but I see it differently. Though to imply that he has achieved no more than you in the sport of cycling is just nonsense. The 7 yellow jerseys are still up in his house & he's proud of them. He did what he had to do, and what everyone else was doing, to win. It's not his fault the sport was the way it was. He had 2 choices: to go home, or stay and play the game. What would you have done, go home or settle for mediocrity?
As we approach the line It's E.P.O. out in front closely followed by H.G.H. with T.U.E. gaining fast, H.G.H. beginning to flag a little now and T.U.E. moves confidently into second but he's been spotted by E.P.O. H.G.H falling back will have to settle for third place, T.U.E makes his attack but has he got enough to take E.P.O. it's gonna be close and IT'S E.P.O, E.P.O. TAKES IT, T.U.E. in second, H.G.H in third and EVERYONE FUCKING LOSES.
chris1275cc that’s brilliant!! Where did cortisone finish?? It’s crazy. Did any of the riders in the race back in the late 90’s to mid 00’s era ride clean?? And what about now??
@@mrkipling2201 cortisone finished way back but his teammate blood doping finished in 5th, closely followed by anabolic steroids and testosterone. In answer to your questions: Ironically it is Lance "we, need to fall in love with cycling again" Armstrong who likes to spread the rumour that "everyone was doing it" as it severs his narrative in truth there were likely many who rode clean. The real question is did any clean rider ever achieve anything back then? Well, Greg LeMond maybe although he was just before it got bad, Chris Boardman I suspect rode clean as he came from the track and he did well exactly where you expected him to, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Today who knows, but when I see some riders who look positively anorexic it is hard to believe, they will tell you things like "It's about aerodynamics and power to weight ratio now" but then you see riders spend more time on the hoods and out of the saddle in the least areo position they can be in and putting down power that their muscle mass has no answer for.
chris1275cc I forgot about our old friend anabolic steroids!! Finished strongly eh?? And I agree with you I would say that Greg lemond raced clean and boardman did as well. I would say it is definitely a lot cleaner now than it was in the late 90’s era.
@@mrkipling2201 If I was forced to give an opinion I would say that it is cleaner today, now it seems to revolve around the science of "body hacking" using strict diets and legal (ish) substances and supplements, and team tactics (with a few dubiously prescribed T.U.E's thrown in) but they wont talk about that as it sounds an awful lot like doping. So Ironically it is still about who has access to the best doctors. The riders all look the same, ride the same, the bikes all look the same, if it wasn't for the odd rider like Peter Sagan I'd probably stop watching.
chris1275cc totally agree. I would say it’s a lot cleaner than it was due to advanced sciences and other natural resources. Although some of the TUE’s are definitely questionable.
That rivalry was so dope
see what you did there
You can't trust Americans in all sports
@@danielGorski77 ok boomer
🤣😂🤣😂🤣
But... according to the video you just need to be really angry
My body created more blood cells just from watching this.
Lol 😂
Well played
Of course it is as you're floyd's son😁
The EPOssible!!
The helicopter background noise is insane
A Tour de France victory is the most accurate positive drug test in history.
henri and francis pellissier 1924: (after abandoning due to a fight on the road with henri desgrange over rules regarding clothing removal, showed the reporter a case of pills rattling around) "in short, we run on dynamite"
Contador later mentioned how he trusted nobody on the team except for his personal mechanic. They had to store his bikes in the hotel room to prevent potential sabotage.
Alberto also had to use his brother's help to get back to his hotel after the race. Even Lance Drugstore playing al his sadistic games didn't keep Contador back all that much.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex he didn't need to do anything when your the greatest in the world. When your not, you can too! show others your NOT. He's a clown....
oldtwins na his brother always turned spanners on his bikes it was written into his contracts
I read that Greg Lemond had to do something similar in '86. Sometimes your teammates; not rival cyclists or the course itself are your biggest obstacles...
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I would call that a hostile work environment. That would suck.
What an era... This happen over 10 years ago and i still get goosebumps watching this
Me too. While I watched here and there, this was my first full TdF I saw from beginning to end. Made me a true fan to this day, and an avid cyclist too. I have to thank my son for watching this! For some reason, at his young age he had a liking to the race and I was hooked, and have been since. Only cycling makes endurance events exciting to watch. Even the media battle between Lance and Alberto was awesome on that Tour. Very well done documentary, BTW. I feel it explains well for the casual fan too.
@Christy Dolan yes you do have a point. The funny thing is I really hated both lance and Alberto and we all knew they were cheats, everybody knew, this was so common, that even people who didn't watch TDF knew... but what I get goosebumps over is the drama and the small stabs when talking to the press, which is rare today, this fights are moved to Twitter and even in interviews they'll have staff with then to hold their hands
Same!
Era of drugs. Yh really great
My favourite era is the mid to late 80’s when LeMond, Hinault, Fignon, Delgado etc were battling it out for the MJ. Very close and so exciting.
This movie is unreal. It doesn't tell what really happened in team Astana. That Contador has won this Tour almost on his own, with just one mechanic he could trust. The rest of the team, lead by Armstrong and Bruyneel, were against him, showing really low life, intimidating behaviour. So cool that Contador succeeded, despite all the shit from Armstrong cs.
A really compelling story, and a great production. Thanks!
The funny story is... it is tradition that the winner of the TdF buy his teammates a gift for their work. Contador bought watches, he delivered the watch to Lance at the next year's TdF. Lance was on the team bus and refused to meet Contador to accept the watch. Contador could have sent it to him... but he wanted to look Lance in the eyes and let him know he kicked his ass.
kick ass? if armstrong tweak his eyes what will happen?
Contador will never be the rider that Lance was.... And I don't want to hear about doping the whole sport was on drugs
@@tom2038 I do, cheats have no place in sports, anyone who does not dope is a better cyclist that Armstrong! That includes club cyclists!
Armstrong is a twat!
@@CarlyWaarly you do realize literally everyone was and still is on drugs right?
@@tom2038 If you look at both sets of palmares... Contador was the MUCH better rider.
It was after this TdF that i fell in love with cycling! To this day i watch all the grand tours and always wanted Contador to win! I miss him
Contador was one of a kind, he's explosion, style and act will for ever be unmatched!
Good days back then!!! Thanks for Sharing this!
El Pistolero in his prime was certainly a sight to behold. Very inspiring!
El pizdoliero jest dobry
He was certainly a more natural cyclists than some strong
Sometimes the stronger teammate doesn't win because of the team's strategy. Like Contador, Lemond was the better/stronger rider in the 1985 TDF. However, Lemond followed/obeyed the La Vie Claire's team strategy and allowed Hinault to win his fifth TDF.
By the start of the 2009 Tour de France, Contador had won the previous three grand tours he had entered, along with many other races, and he was strong enough to win the 2009 Tour without full team support. But you think he should have followed/obeyed the team strategy when Armstrong hadn't won a road race since 2005? He was getting screwed by Bruyneel and Astana, so he turned the tables.
I was fortunate enough to film Contador recently while he was in Texas of all places and he had nothing but complimentary things to say about Lance both on screen and off. He seemed to really be motivated by Lance.
He knew Lance doped and he did too, hard to admonish someone who cheated when you also did
Anyone: You can't fool all the people all the time.
Lance: Hold my red blood cells.
I was this when the drama was unfolding on TV. And it still gets my heart racing.
I know they were doped all the way silly back then, and still use whatever they can to ease pain and help them go faster. But man, some dramatic races.
Very entertaining too see the human race the best wins not the ego...great times both men gave us. ❤❤.......
What's funny as hell is that this was absolutely Lance's downfall. If he just left well enough alone and retired the first time and didn't try to come back and prove he was better than Contador (first w Astana then w Radio Shack), the 2010 US Federal investigation, the only one that stuck, would have never happened. Some people don't know when to quit while they're ahead.
Exactly, never rob the same bank twice. Also when your friend Floyd comes looking for a job, give him one.
@@schadlarry that too. Landis knew where the bodies were buried.
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He’s still ahead. Did you see his house in Aspen. And AUSTIN.
You're absolutely right. But Lance came away a better person for having been found out and dragged through the mud. He needed to be caught for his own good.
@Concrete Head No, I'm not joking. People do fucked up shit. People can be real assholes. And if they get away with it they have no reason to change. He got himself caught, which was the catalyst for change, for the better. Have you listened to his podcasts or follow what he's been up to these days? Or do you look at it through the lens of the mainstream media like most people who continue to bash on the guy do?
EPO it's a hell of a thing. Modern medicine is amazing.
😂😂😂😉😉
only had time to start, cant wait to finish. Thanks for the upload!
Did you finish?
@@JDGreen-vj7wx ha, good one !
11 years younger there is no comparison
Contador won the tour by himself, the entire team including the director were supporting lance, even Lance said:if he rides physically as good as he did in 2009 and can be controlled by a team director who makes the decisions instead of him--he'll be almost impossible to beat.
Contador are 11 years younger than Lance, and also lost titles for doping.
@@felipegoncalves4051 It's true because Lance used a Tandem #WHOKNEW
@@felipegoncalves4051 He still has some Lance won zip in the record books.
@@downydutch3203 Revisionist claims.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 no revisionism . Doping is contrary to the spirit of sport. Lance broke those rules and went on an unprecedented run with doping. His rivals also doped , thus no winner could be declared. The races were void from a GC point of view . What we saw were freak show exhibitions and people like you (weee you even into cycling back then ? Were you even born ? ) There we’re enough knowledgeable people who didn’t believe that cancer boy would be a genuine GC contender, especially when he never shown potential before cancer
Contador’s acceleration and burst was just too explosive for everyone during his prime. Even Lance admitted on air he wasn’t following that back then. Alberto will always be a special cyclist to me. Gifted, talented, and such a class act.
In their prime Lance could have handled Contador. I’m talking the US Postal days.
I’m not taking anything away from Contador though as he was awesome in his own right. Both in their absolute prime would have been the greatest TDF’s ever.
Class act? Like when he attacked Shleck as soon as his bike chain came off? Very classy indeed.
Lance and Contador we're both on doping. How can you guys even talk about their primes when they always cheated.
Clearly he was not a class act as he was not about team. He screwed the team and Kloeden destroyed any chance for Kloeden to hit top 3. Spanish weasel is more likely the case.
Contador's dancing on the pedal style, something that is so natural to him, clearly gave major advantages.
Omg im a fan of cycling. They Are All doped the best
No one, not even CF rides like that anymore. In retrospective, It seems so clear what was happening.
It’s amazing how most comments of this have zero reference that any doping took place and this was an amazing battle between someone in their 20s vs some near their 40s
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Lance had already died, but decided to come back and watch his world fall apart.
So true
in those days rivalry was present in some teams,especially Astana,and that was more intense,and created more expectations for the race itself and for the general public,wich was good.
Movistor in la Vuelta tho
Rui.....Yep, the rivalry sure made the early stages of the race VERY interesting. Personally I was pulling for Lance, and really wanted to see him in yellow again, but jeez things must have been incredibly awkward within the Astana team.
I loved that era of raceing it was grate to watch
'I've never tested positive'
You didn't win the Tour De France 7 times. Plus.....Lance is American and that alone kills him with European people.
@@billbobaggins801 i don't think it would be easy to find a rider any where on earth, from any generation, that worked harder or was more focused and determined than Lance Armstrong. Im from Europe and i respect Armstrongs sheer desire to destroy anything (or anyone) that gets in his way. Regardless of what he did and how he treated people, i can still draw inspiration from him.
Anywaze Mr. Billbo Baggins, i hope that you are well and good!
Well except for the time he did an the other time. Other than those times, he didn't.
@@MrMiD.Life.Crisis well said!!
@Edwin Jansen Edwin,,, we all have issues,,,you have a conscious right?
This documentary is so DOPE.
I do miss Contador!
I and my daughter were there in ‘09 on the final stage, and watched everyone podium.
Amazing.
I saw the TDF in 2012. It was amazing.
I hope to take my daughter (currently 5yo) to see the TDF one of these days
Really enjoyed this, thanks 👏
Regardless what you think of lance, he left it all out there, and as a fan I respect tf out of that!
Nah, I watched that Tour every day. Lance wasn’t as strong as Alberto, even though the whole Astana team was working for Lance, Alberto was far stronger.
You must be kidding.
Armstrong were far stronger and better than Contador when they both were in their prime. Contador was only stronger than the old Armstrong.
And yes, I watched just about it all from the 90`s until today. And I personally have been in cycling.
@@Norwegian733 why don't you read comments before writing? He clearly wrote "I watched that Tour every day, Lance wasn't as strong as Alberto..."; he isn't kidding - he is telling the truth, in this TdF Armstrong was not even close to Contador fitness. Nobody talks about other TdF's or the 90`s.........
@@TobiasImmerstein-tm3gp Marco Pantani, arguably the greatest climber in history couldn't shake lance in the mountains, Contador would be no different
@@Norwegian733 wahaha watch lance interview with oprah lance used doped and drugs ahaha..
@Robert Trageser Yeah, Indurain never had any suspicion over him, and actually neither did his big rivals like Bugno, Chiapucci or Rominger. The 96 Tour when he was thoroughly beaten by Rijs and the rest, was proven to be totally drug addled. I don't know, Indurain had a privileged body for cycling, his lung capacity was out of this world and he was one of the smartest riders out there in terms of preserving energy. He did not dominate every single time trial and mountain stage like Lance did. But yes, I suspect he was also on something. I don't think any human can run a 3 week race like that at those speeds just eating pasta and not have a bad day along the way, but I am no sport scientist.
"I´ve got seven of them at home..." prepotencial attitude!!!!!!
I caught that too. Typical Lance.
What an absolute garbage human. He thinks the world revolves around him. Typical american arrogance. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it will be kinda suspicious to return to top form after 4 years break at age 37.... Lance Dopestrong, American Hero!
He was such a jerk. I've never been a fan and I'm still no. I don't care that he won the tour with 1 nut or no nuts. LOL!!
Audio is miles out of sync
Lance will never say I got beat doesn’t matter if you were a better doper than him or if you were a foot ahead of him he is so messed up it does not matter I hope he can find peace
The biggest mistake he ever did by coming back
Sometimes is better to stay gone and leave things the way they are
The comeback was literally the beginning of his end. If he never came back, none of the people would have talked, the bodies would have remained buried. But because he couldn't leave well enough alone, he paid the price.
Alex Perez So true.
you mean getting on a bike
Obsession & his own jealousy was his greatest demise! He already knew he was the best pure climber In history of the Tour, but to not only be jealous of the up & coming Cantador, It was far too difficult to see someone else hoisting the crown other than himself. His cannibalistic ways caught up to him, BUT HE Never admittedly under oath stated he used doping as a means to gain & keep advantages over his foe.
Lance armstrong was the athlete that made me grow up. I no longer looked at athletes for inspiration or admired them. Theyre just humans. Theyre not titans like i believed as a kid.
There's nothing wrong with looking up to athletes or sports heroes. And that's because there's nothing wrong with using drugs in sport, it's actually the sensible thing to do and is better for your body. I think Lance Armstrong was a legend and still is. A true winner.
Spot on. Now they are used for political skill duggery and never speak out.
@@shaunbarnett2972 Honestly, when I see comments like this, it explains the state of the world I live in.
Armstrong was greedy, he should have stayed retired and maybe he would have never been caught but his ego got the best of him and finally justice was made and even though everyone was doping at the time the french and Europeans in general weren't going to let an american win that many tours.
He always would have been caught. The US government stepped in because his team used government funds back in the day (US Postal). All 'cycling insiders' knew there was epo since the beginning of the 90s in general. My brother used to race, very low level though. But even there and then, everyone kind of knew the deal (talking beginning 90's). It had nothing to do with France or America. Armstrong (probably) won fair and square. His luck just ran out. Although I read he's doing podcasts now, I doubt he'll end up poor.
I think he said that on Joe Rogan podcast. Or Howard.
@@Broodkast8 of course he was on peds, just like everyone he beat to win 7 times.
Armstrong was told by the Dr who helped him dope that without drugs he would never win a tour with his physiology and would only be an average rider. I raced in the 80s and Alberto was totally in a different class and such a nice guy, not a narcissistic bully like Armstrong. Armstrong threw riders off of his team if they refused to dope.
Ian, where did you find these claims? Armstrong was never an "average" rider.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 If I remember correctly the claim was actually made by Greg LeMond in private discussions with David Walsh after one of the doctors who provided Armstrong's experimental cancer treatment inadvertently divulged Lance's VO2 max number. The number in question although high enough to make Armstrong a professional athlete wasn't even close for him to be competitive on the climbs of TdF. In a movie called "The Program" based on the book "Seven Deadly Sins" by David Walsh they chose to drop Greg LeMond from the story and reworked the scene so it was dr. Ferrari who told Lance that it meant "he was born to lose" before starting him on the eponymous program of scientific doping.
In terms of grand tour peloton Armstrong was a middle of the pack rider who couldn't climb. Before scientific and strategic blood doping and use of steroids to improve recovery masterminded by Michelle Ferrari gave him a completely new physiology he was just a one day racer even though he was already taking all the stuff that the top European riders were taking at the time. He was still vulnerable during his first TdF wins, so he bolstered his team with top talent and got all of them on the same doping program so they could carry and protect him in the mountains.
@@indonesiaamerica7050 well before EPO he competed in four tours and ‘did not finish’ three. It depends on your definition of average I guess but he didn’t show signs of being a potential GC leader before the EPO
@@HkFinn83LOL. Look up Cyrille Guimard. You have no idea what EPO is nor what anyone does to plan a life around success in sports. You just repeat nonsense that you picked up. Inane gossip.
@@rh_BOSS Greg Lemond does not understand anything well enough to explain it to high school students. He spoke nothing but BS about his supposed medical problems after getting shot. He doesn't even know what his ADR team injected him with when he repeated his vitamin injections stories. And you distorted his childish gossip about Armstrong. Modern urban legends rather than trying to figure out what evidence you have or even what is plausible or even possible at all.
What Lance did, drove also others to dope more. How many brilliant, talented and hard working cyclists dropped out because they did not want to dope.
Heidi Karinen
Doping was in the sport long before Armstrong came along. He was just playing the European cycling game as it already existed. If the sport had been clean from the beginning, Armstrong would have competed clean. He was playing their game. Most American pro cyclists have stated they never doped until they went to Europe. And the last few years, they rarely doped. It had gotten just too difficult for them to get away with.
The differences are not that great. Only in the long Tours do you have doping as a major factor. The drugs do not make anyone stronger. They help manage recovery so that your naturally developed strength can be restored in time to meet the challenges of the events raced. For modern tour specialists it also helps prepare outside of the racing circuits because their form is easier to predict in terms of timing the training and rest cycles. Before the hematocrit tests there are stories of "massive" increases in peak power (over one to two hours). But that period lasted for only a few years and Lance was an amateur at that time. They started doing hematocrit "health checks" shortly after riders started dying at statistically unlikely rates from heart attacks. The same is true with testosterone and even corticoids. The levels that they can get away with (sometimes) using just aids recovery. Their form is only marginally better because it's marginally more predictable when they can attack the time trials and mountain stages without destroying their fitness (when short term recovery is compromised) on subsequent stages.
Well that's an enormous load of bullshit, casual
keir farnum Yes doping in some form was around even before Mercyx unfortunately.
Greg LeMond retired because he wasn't prepared to start doping in the early 1990's. Which is what he would have had to do if he'd wanted to stay competitive. Even Fignon did the same thing, because he wasn't going to start taking EPO and HGH.
Armstrong had strong legs, but Contador was counting every second!
The biggest factor of Lance winning al those years (mostly the last three) was having a team that was focused on the tour, and the tour only. How Postal/discovery controlled the tour from start to finish was quite phenomenal. Bigger budget, better focus, better bikes, better domestiques, less focus on getting points in the rest of the season. They tried it again in '09, but everyone saw those times were about to change..
it was doping. scum person
You may have omitted another little element there 😂
Nice finding! Currently I have a OneUp dropper post that I use for winter. I keep my Rockshox AXS for summer. I got also the fox transfer. I wonder how is the Vertical Helium Dropper Post from Spain.
20:16 - i know that im super old and super cynical but it does make me chuckle when people in cycling talk about honour or morality or the 'spirit' of the race.
Yea you're an old stupid bitch you're right
No doubt
@@goo5976 Yeah. He is right. Some of the fans just don't want to know. People who still believe in clean professional sports probs also still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy. Kinda adorable.
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing. It's always great to see the beauty bicycles that they rode back then. The Disc brakes really spoilt the good look of the bicycles. it truly is the biggest gimmick in the history of bicycles. it is really sad.
Armstrong wasn't even the second best on his team that year; Klöden was.
@@TobiasImmerstein-tm3gp Yeah, I mean Contador won despite having his own team against him that year! Both riders AND team manager! Who ever had to overcome such a hurdle?
That SOB's name should be erased forever, why are we talkin about him? I won't even mention his f'ing name on my channel.
@Robert Trageser I remember when that unnamed person claimed number 7. I ripped all the Campy Drivetrain off my bike and got a new SRAM Force 10-speed setup. I figured if it was good enough for unnamed number 7 it was good enough for me. I'm not really sorry because it turns out to be better for gravel bikes but I wouldn't have done it otherwise.
@Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj I saw Alberto Contador in Madrid, it was a Dinner Engagement. It was through a friend's company and I didn't have any relation to anybody there, but fun. He doesn't look the same in person but I didn't get terribly close. He was doing autographs but there was a long line. I guess I should have gotten him to sign my 2006 Liberty Seguros Würth.
You basement dwelling degenerates need to spend more time on the bike and less talking about GOATS. It's unbecoming and sad 😊
The cycle of life. The old and experienced the young, strong and unruled! Vamos Alberto!
The quest to who doped best...
Guido Z omfg he was just doing what everybody else was stfu he’s a true American hero
@@imnotsexyt7536 yeah like Volkswagen with their diesel cars... Just another true German hero
Guido Z omfg lance helped millions of ppl he is an inspiration how dare you slander an American hero’s name
@@imnotsexyt7536 no he isn't
@@imnotsexyt7536 he is not , lance was nothing before the drugs x contador was more of a natural cyclists truly.
Long story, short... Contador handed Lance his ass.
After 3 years off and at 37 I think you'll find it was incredible that he made that podium. Contador's last podium on a Grand Tour was made in 2015 when he was 32. So from age 32 onward Contador was incapable of making podium in a 3 week major race.
Long story short Lance won 7 times
@@scutifr no he didnt. he got 0
@@fixit3108 hey shitstain!lance is the king and always will be💪☝🏆🚴
@@michaelcullen4990 Santa claus isnt real.
A whole peloton of cheats finally depose the king cheat.
I love EPO.
He was my idol too. Fighting cancer and then winning the Tour 7 times. Until he was caught cheating.
So he didn't win the tour 7 times? Who won those 7?
@@needfoolthings According to TDF now, nobody. NO Winner
@@jesusfranco And what do you think of that?
@@needfoolthings Well i'm not the one who decides but IMHO, the first who didn't cheat (or wasn't caught cheating) should be the winner.
Lance won.
EVERYONE WAS DOPIN!
Not much of a rivalry, contador was the real champion, he didn't even needed a team.
contador - astana: 1-0
Well to be fair to Lance, it's a poor comparison because we're comparing a 37 year old Lance, who hasn't raced competitively for 4 years, against a much younger Contador, at the peak of his powers. All said and done - if we leave the doping to one side (and they both had Tour de France titles taken away), then Lance has won 7, and Contador 3.
@@JimChap no need to be fair with dopestrong, he didn't care for the real fans either.
@@JimChap Contador also won the Giro and Vuelta. Races Lance did not even race. Contador was the better racer. If you total Grand Tour wins (giving each their DQed races becasue Lance would have none without them) it is Contador 9 Lance 7.
Sills71 if Lance didn’t race them he couldn’t win them 😂
@@Sills71 It is the TDF at issue here not any minor races Stupid and fool. You may win all other world races including TDF but it is TDF that will make one the better cyclist.
I was really rooting for Contador when this went down. Lance is a jerk, and got exactly what he deserved.
Yeah, all he did was come back from a 3 year layoff and finish 3rd in the TdF. You're as much of a jerk as Armstrong.
@@serotta50 he is the one who signed onto a team that already had a clear #1 rider. Then acts like a child when it's time to support Contador. Cycling is a team sport.
The GOAT..Yet, he's trounced for doping, while YOUR hero did the same thing..
Are you accusing none other than Ron Jeremy of using EPO? You’re outta line fella
That Lance was off the Pro Tour for three years and decides to come back and does the TDF and gets on the podium is as impressive as having cancer and coming back for a win.
Because he is was dope as fuck.
True
7:20 is when the juice kicked in...
He should have stayed in retirement. He probably would still have his name next to those 7 victories. No one ever showed up at the Tour with his level of focus, will to win at all costs and preparation.
No one showed up at the Tour with his level of doping, risking his life like no other, , ,eh ! hello ! CANCER !
@@derekhenderson1730 Right Dr. Endocrinologist 👌
in for a penny.....
Back when cycling was great to watch doping and all.
This year's TDF had everything...
Contador was as big a doper as Lance. Heck he was on Lance's team. And the idea that Lance caused others to dope is a joke. From Indurain on cycling was a rolling pharmacy.
Contador learned from the master doper himself, and he learned from the pharmacy industry when fighting cancer. Vicious circle par excellent..
It got worse around the start of the 1990s if I'm correct, when EPO was introduced, it was impossible to compete pan y agua
They were doping in Le tour from its inception in one way or another
All the 5 times club are gonna have been juiced to the gills, lance was just the best at it
Even back in 1967, amphetamines were widely used in the TDF. Tom Simpson died climbing Mount Ventoux in 1967 due to Amphetamine use.
Problem with lance was his narcissism that ruined other people’s lives for his transgression. No one did more to taint a sport than LA at the expense of others.
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I have as many Tour de France wins as Lance
Say what you want about Armstrong, he made Trek bikes the brand it is and got a lot of people into the sport.
This was la Vie Claire part 2,only with much more doping.Both Astana leaders been caught,Leipheimer confessed,Kloden has clouds over him during his days at Telekom alongside Jan Ullrich
Along with everyone else in the sport.
@@Rowgue51 Cadel Evans I don't think he doped.
@@calinmarian98 I thought the same until I learned he used the same 'doctor' as Lance, Roche etc. I tend to believe he was clean when he won, things do change. But still he's on a list no one wants to be on.
@@gregfarmer8448 Were the Schleck bros clean?I found some comments about Frank,but not Andy.
@@calinmarian98 I believe Andy was clean - I'm saying that as he was a consistent rider and disnt have peaks and troughs. Excellent climber, his Time Trialling was a weak link. He'd have won 1 or 2 TdF is that was better. Frank had a 'minor' dismeanour later in his career, not sure what and how that all panned out but he got suspended.
I grew up watching contador. Watching this, watching contador dominate Armstrong like that made me realize how great contador actually was
Everyone was a doper.
google : Christopher Basson
Poor guy ! Hats off to him for staying true to his self. But shows how a guys career spirals down if he refuses to dope.
@Christy Dolan Agree. Like Bill Burr said , Lance Armstrong was a sociopath on a bicycle.
Alberto and that Canelo Alvarez beef...
How much better was it back then. Let them get on with it💉
crazy to think if Lance never came back to the sport for a few years, he may never have been caught
Peak Lance would have smashed peak Contador
There is no proof of that. The only proof is that Contador destroyed Armstrong, won 7 GT (9) and Armstrong 0 (7 if you want count).
Then Contador won more than Armstrong in any case.
No, Lance just wasn't using as much EPO in the 2009 tour that Contador was.
Lance should never have come out of retirement. And then to be shown he clearly wasn't as strong as Contador, I completely can't understand why he then went to radio shack instead of going back into retirement. Ego I suppose.
His showing how he can compete with the best rider in the world at his age.
He formed Team Radio-Shack, all of his fanboy nut-hugers followed him, entire team Astana! Just goes to show what Contador had to fight against in 2009.
Ego is helluwadrug, and EPO is hell of a drug too.
GRANDE GRANDE GRANDE OTTIMO LANCE
What is beyond argument is that Contador never committed perjury.
What is beyond argument is that Armstrong STILL sucks cock and is still a cheat!
I respect there competitive drives. They made the Tour a household name. The honeymoon crashed when all all the Gear PEDs became exposed.
Lance only got in the break on stage 3 because George told him that Columbia HTC were going to go after the right hander
They were actually deciding whose doctor was the best.
Contador vs. Armstrong... Contador 3 Giro wins, 3 TdF wins... (plus 4th 5th and 9th), 3 Vuelta wins (plus 2x 4th)... Armstrong 7 TdF wins.. never raced the Giro or Vuelta... 9 Grand Tours vs. 7... plus Contador won Paris Nice 2x... Tirreno 1x and Tour or Basque 4 times... Clearly Contador was the better stage racer.
FAIL: Armstrong was 4th in Vuelta 1998
Fail x2, Lance world Road race champion 1993, a good few stage race wins, many stage wins @ TDF against other banned during their career dopers, beat them with a whooping
Contador twice banned Operacion Puerto, & the dodgy Beef
& Lance rode well in the Giro 2009, use the internet a tad more, Contadoper vs Pharmstrong same age same we will never know, 37 vs 26 in 2009 old vs young
lance won the tour of luxembourg, the tour de suisse and two dauphines among some others
1 tour is worth 10 vueltas
Nobody with any cycling knowledge would ever compare in that way you silly goose
Best thing to happen to cycling: Lances ego making a comeback. It was his downfall!
In a era where everyone was doping...wonder why everyone hates Lance? The vast majority of the sport was doping and y'all gonna hate on one man because he was successful...gimme a break! Lance was a beast, doping or not. If it was a clean sport, he would have still been the best...he was just the best of everyone doping as well. Where he was an asshole was ruining other careers over defending the doping...thats where I lost respect.
All the big hitters throughout cycling history have doped, Merckx, Moser, Hinault, Indurain etc etc No-one wants to hit on those giants despite people like Merckx getting caught and subsequently being DQ'd from three of the big races incl the TdF!
a dose of reality for you : LA in his first three TDF's : DNF----DNF ----36th place........Lance was average at best before he doped.......Greg Lemond outclasses Armstrong as a man and a cyclist. One is honorable, the other is a corrupt narcissist
@@richardgaines1647 So you are compairing non doped cyclists versus doped cyclists and comes to the conclusion that the non doped cyclists is an average cyclist, great comparison!
@@richardgaines1647 DNF, DNF and 36th place...against an entire peleton that was on the juice...c'mon man...don't cherry pick facts. Yes his first three TDF weren't good...but that was against everyone that was doping. Once on the juice, like everyone else, he was dominant.
@jabba2000ad you must not have read my entire comment...I agree 100% with you and thats where I lost respect for him.
Im filipino. And Lance is my idol
If your gonna idolize a drug dealer that's your business
idiot
@@Guldrimand He was not a dealer
people really think Lance was the first one to introduce doping and that America was the only one doing it 😂😂😂
Nice rivalry between pharmacists.
At 32:11, Lance says "I've got seven of them at home." This sums up his lousy attitude. He's only okay with not being the best because he's won 7 times. Sore loser. Can't just be happy for his teammates. He has to put in a word about his past successes.
And he cheated for all those wins
Characters make for great entertainment.
@@The-Real-Spaniard Contador doped. Pantani doped. Ulrich doped. Mercx doped. Everybody did. Even with that in your system, you still have to work your ass and train like a crazy idiot.
Narcissism is a beyatch
@@guitarrerist698 Yes, Lance was top of the leaderboard for the trophy of " most massive douchenozzle" and he won that fair and square.
Man I miss Vs.
What about Sir Jiffy bag?
It's ok Anthony Wiggins on here you can call him daddy
This version of lance reminds me of “Big Ern “ Ernie McCracken from kingpin. Lance is the “crafty veteran.” But over time, youth and power won out in the long run.
I won the Tour de France exactly the same number of times Lance did. ZERO.
I understand that perspective, but I see it differently. Though to imply that he has achieved no more than you in the sport of cycling is just nonsense. The 7 yellow jerseys are still up in his house & he's proud of them. He did what he had to do, and what everyone else was doing, to win. It's not his fault the sport was the way it was. He had 2 choices: to go home, or stay and play the game. What would you have done, go home or settle for mediocrity?
Your right! You are a loser vs Lance who won. You will never be like him......a wanna be RUclips POS loser.
@@billbobaggins801 Have you seen the mountain stages, to say armstrong did not out compete his rivals is just silly
Marshall dude I am a Lance fan, you are mistaking me for someone else. All I do is back him.
To me he is the king of the TDF.
zero people gives a 💩
Who is Lance Armstrong?? The name is Louis Armstrong he played well, and he was a nice person.
Lance Armstrong = Pharmacy on wheels!!!
Same as contador lol and top 20 guys
@@Balmung812 and the next 1500
@@Balmung812source: Lance Armstrong
I gotta commute 2 work thru Melb CBD on my fixie now. Gonna set a KOM for sure. Feeling jackkked
As we approach the line It's E.P.O. out in front closely followed by H.G.H. with T.U.E. gaining fast, H.G.H. beginning to flag a little now and T.U.E. moves confidently into second but he's been spotted by E.P.O. H.G.H falling back will have to settle for third place, T.U.E makes his attack but has he got enough to take E.P.O. it's gonna be close and IT'S E.P.O, E.P.O. TAKES IT, T.U.E. in second, H.G.H in third and EVERYONE FUCKING LOSES.
chris1275cc that’s brilliant!! Where did cortisone finish?? It’s crazy. Did any of the riders in the race back in the late 90’s to mid 00’s era ride clean?? And what about now??
@@mrkipling2201 cortisone finished way back but his teammate blood doping finished in 5th, closely followed by anabolic steroids and testosterone.
In answer to your questions: Ironically it is Lance "we, need to fall in love with cycling again" Armstrong who likes to spread the rumour that "everyone was doing it" as it severs his narrative in truth there were likely many who rode clean. The real question is did any clean rider ever achieve anything back then? Well, Greg LeMond maybe although he was just before it got bad, Chris Boardman I suspect rode clean as he came from the track and he did well exactly where you expected him to, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Today who knows, but when I see some riders who look positively anorexic it is hard to believe, they will tell you things like "It's about aerodynamics and power to weight ratio now" but then you see riders spend more time on the hoods and out of the saddle in the least areo position they can be in and putting down power that their muscle mass has no answer for.
chris1275cc I forgot about our old friend anabolic steroids!! Finished strongly eh?? And I agree with you I would say that Greg lemond raced clean and boardman did as well. I would say it is definitely a lot cleaner now than it was in the late 90’s era.
@@mrkipling2201 If I was forced to give an opinion I would say that it is cleaner today, now it seems to revolve around the science of "body hacking" using strict diets and legal (ish) substances and supplements, and team tactics (with a few dubiously prescribed T.U.E's thrown in) but they wont talk about that as it sounds an awful lot like doping. So Ironically it is still about who has access to the best doctors. The riders all look the same, ride the same, the bikes all look the same, if it wasn't for the odd rider like Peter Sagan I'd probably stop watching.
chris1275cc totally agree. I would say it’s a lot cleaner than it was due to advanced sciences and other natural resources. Although some of the TUE’s are definitely questionable.
Big whoop. I like Contador but he would have been an also-ran during LA’s prime.
25:40 "their blood is anemic" - well.......not in those days buddy
Not in these days either.
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i bet lance was crying after he knew contador was gonna win