I’ve heard of these two cases separately but didn’t know they were related till now. Good job tying everything together. Never knew the bike shop case had been solved. Thanks for the podcast.
I didn't realize it was possible to say "BB gun" differently... lol. I love Casefile... I've literally been listening since the very beginning, pre-youtube... you quietly dominate the entire True Crime universe. Love you.
This woman didnt even go on to remarry! She did a show like 13 yrs on still deeply and madly in love with her husband talking about only having eyes for him, and that with him gone there was only room for their son in her heart. Like.... It makes me see red every time thinking about how insulting it was to her that the forensic tecs can't put 2 stickers on 2 bottles properly and the 18 months of hell they caused a grieving widow for absolutely no reason at all beyond their own idiocy. 😡😡
Tbf They didn't get the bottles mixed up. The blood itself was mixed up resulting from the proximity of the victims. But I agree if you're going to throw out an accusation like that, you'd better be damn sure your evidence is correct. She should have sued tf out of them
@@SpicyTexan64 I actually wasn't aware of exactly how it had gotten switched, so thank you tons for adding that. Which- don't get me wrong I can totally see how something like that scenario could happen and just in general I can totally wrap my mind around "human error" mistakes- I mean, no one is perfect. What I can't understand though is when they took the sons diaper to get his DNA to compare.... Why on earth they would compare that to samples gathered from the crime scene vs samples taken directly from both men via the medical examiner.... Or once it came back looking like it was the other guys kid why they wouldn't cover their own asses and double check it in comparison to his mom (as in the boys grandma) or the grandpa like just to be sure before slinging accusations at the wall to hopefully find something that would stick. Maybe that has to do with dna's capabilities at the time, and potentially that's just my own bias coming from my age and the advancements DNA has made even just within my lifetime. But taking those things into account I just feel so so bad for that woman. I'm also the type that double checks basically everything so in general it just befuddles me that especially in the type of profession where mistakes can literally cost people their lives (regardless if it's a wrongful arrest/conviction- or say a mistake where a killer is released and goes on to kill again, or something obvious gets overlooked causing someone to not be arrested until much later and that could have saved other victims....) It just... Ugh- it's gut wrenching every time! I absolutely admire those that take that career path though, it's easy for me or anyone else to look over their actions in hindsight, I'm SO pointedly aware there's NO way I could do that job! Especially when thinking about how many times my husband has ran out of our room late at night thinking something was wrong to find me yelling at my phone over just ridiculous people in interrogations and me ranting over how on earth cops bite their tongues! I would be fired for unprofessionalism in my first week!! Lol smh.
The police bungle the DNA evidence, transposing the blood of 2 victims. Their excuse was that the 2 bodies were lying so close to each other. But one was laying just inside the building, blocking the doorway and the other was outside across the parking lot near a car. Hardly right on top of each other. What a huge blunder, and it caused a great deal stress and upset to bewildered, innocent family members.
Just climbed into bed, and was hoping for a new Casefiles.. Booyeaaahhhh!! Cheers mate, your a legend and your team is wonderful at presenting these cases!
I live just a few miles from where all of this happened. I’ve listened to a few people tell this story but you went above and beyond with the research. Very impressive.
Well, yes, but if you started punishing police officers for negligence, America would only have like thirty cops and we'd all be partying around the hanged bodies of every cop in Uvalde. Whether that would be an improvement or a problem is a matter of opinion.
Thank you! I've heard of the case of both the girl locked in the shed and the motorcycle shop shooting, but I never knew they were committed by the same perpetrator.
This was an excellent podcast! Loved it. Thank you for your hard work. I prefer long stories so I can do yard work, house work or baking, whatever. To the people who said there's too man characters, aw, poor things , go listen to a grade school podcast. Proud to be a subscriber.
I’ve seen this case covered elsewhere on youtube and, in other comment sections, I’ve seen a bunch of vile, fully fictional things made up about Alana, trolls claiming she was a willing participant. If you’ve removed similar comments from your comment section, thank you.
They should've kept that dude locked up. And for the mother asking them to go easy on her son 🤬 there's no damn way. She's obviously part of the problem. If that was my kid, lock him up for life. They go way to easy on these sick 🤬
A mistake like mixing up the blood samples can totally ruin an innocent persons life. Wont be the first or last where inexperienced people stuff up with major consequences.
Why do cops never listen when people go missing and animals are involved. I would never leave my animals without making arrangements. When Alana's friends said she'd never leave her dog they should have believed them. Again, the cops put a grieving widow through hell for 18 months due to their incompetence. Her reputation was so tarnished she felt she had to leave the state.
Jasoninhell what a sad tragedy 😢 if he reads this I send my love best wishes his children will always be with him in his heart ❤ always may they rest in peace playing with the angels. Bless you Jason love from me in the UK xx
@@danrobinson572 yep,and being an Australian based show,I think it’s important.but I find them all very interesting.There are a couple I can’t bring myself to listen to.
Ok, so there is a minor upside to not being an 8+ woman. That poor girl! She watched her man being killed and disposed of. I really hope she has had some semblance of recovery and progress.
Kala Brown was awarded $6.3 million in damages from the estate of Todd Kollhepp in court. She'd asked for $363 million. Not bad for 2 months work. Kollhepp's estate was likely to have been worth no more than $2 million. The company who sold the arms to Kollhepp's buyer gave $2.5 million to be shared amongst the victims families. Hard to figure out who made more from Kollhepp's crimes - the victims, their families or the attornies, but as always, it's the tax payers who will be footing the bill.
I am so angry that the detectives didn’t do a double-check with samples from the deceased man’s autopsy, or from one of his living relatives. I can understand why the wronged woman moved away, but DAMN that would be cause for a lawsuit.
Find profiler Phil Charmers, he talks to Todd regularly via prison phone, Todd's reasoning for everything is so matter of fact. He claims the folks at the motorbike store laughed at him for not being able to ride the motor bike he bought & that they also stole his new bike.. No motive, just that he wasn't going to take being teased, laughed at, taken for a fool. He'd show them. His Dad taught him to stand up for himself. That's just some of Todd's reasoning.. Interesting character to be a spree killer and a serial killer...
@KS-PNW we have to let that go as a Mother's prerogative. I forgive her for that. Deep down I am sure they feel guilt for birthing him, but he will always be that sweet newborn to her. She can take some comfort un that. She did try to get him help as a kid. These monsters damage their own families as well. There are lots of sociopaths out there not killing people. He is evil to the bone He chose to kill.
It makes you think that nothing was done in prison other tha teaching this guy an employment skill. Nothing was done about actualy treating his attitudes and actions. His mother to her credit, tried when he was a child but to no avail. He was trouble waiting to happen and nothing was done. I have read that sociopaths can be taught to follow social rules as a benefit to themselves. The first 5 years of his 15yr sentence at age 15 should have been in a specialist child psychiatric facility. It may have not changed anything but who knows? If he was a dog, he would have not made it to adulthood. We can't cull himans. So we must put resources into socialising those with these personality defects. As much as I hate those !!#$%s
@@natalieh4354 It was. Especially as she met the family of the murdered woman… she was shot by her Ex husband. The daughter discovered her body and she was the one who my mother was working with :(
@@natalieh4354 She still sometimes mentions it. I used to walk past a cottage everyday where either a hangman once lived or was the site of several suicid*s. The name “Hangman’s cottage” came from somewhere, from a time long ago, but people aren’t sure which story was the correct one.
🇬🇧 What a tremendous case! So terrible & very scary that there are people out there like the person in this case! I remember as a young child, one of our group of playmates was very cruel, killing frogs, birds even stoning a cat to death! He'd sometimes hurt one of us giving us Chinese burns or tying us up & leaving us in the middle of nowhere. Being a very forward child i was able to thwart his efforts in hurting me ( although he did once tie up my long hair in the branches of some thorny bushes) We kind of kept our distance from him ( this was in the mid 1950s early 1960's) & sometimes he was great fun to be with, generous & giving, but he could turn on a sixpence! We moved from the area, but i still heard, from time to time of his growing cruelties, & escalation in offences. Then when i turned 19yrs old i found out he'd been killed by crashing a stolen car. Something inside me, honestly felt a stab of regret & sheer relief! My mum used to say he'd some to a sticky end one day! I grieved for the happy fun playmate i knew but also relief he was taken before something serious happened & for him, whatever troubled his psyche was over. I heard after his death that hed been in constant trouble with authorities & had ( even way back then) been in therapy & medication. No doubt fate intervened in his life, i dread to think what he could have done if left to his ministrations! I still think back to those times & with hindsight realise what a twisted sinister personality he had. His sister was the total opposite to him & he idolized her, no one dare touch his sister. His mum & dad were so nice & kind & despaired of his behaviour Many years after his death i met his sister who id known well, & she wanted to talk about her brother to someone who knew him. I think it was cathartic for her, shed not really been aware of the extent of his behaviour but knew her parents had often been in tears about him. So sad in many ways, he came from a really nice family, even my parents said the same, how his sister was lovely & how much he adored her but to display such cruelty at such a young age?? His sister agreed his death was the end of his suffering & behaviour, & if he'd not died when he did, something terrible would have happened, It makes you think these souls are born ¬ made I hope his spirit is at peace & i remember him as the golden boy who could have us laughing fit to bust & his ingenious games that were brilliant! God Rest his soul. Thank you Casefiles, for another breathtakingly case so convoluted & scary. 🇬🇧👧
Listening to this, & having also gone thru both an 11 year & 16 year narcissistic abuse relationship, I honestly think that Renee is still alive, & obviously locked up somewhere only Camilla know about . She said she didn't know that Renee had driven to the Gap, to kill herself. Crap. Camilla wld never let that happen, as that wld be seen as an act of defiance, one that Camilla wld never let happen. It sounds too well set up to be a suicide. The fact there was no body found, ( when the weather & water conditions wld have washed it up somewhere), only makes me think that she is definitely alive somewhere, if only for Camilla's undying control. In every lie from a narcissist, there is about a 10% truth, or clue. If Renee is still alive, check Camilla's whereabouts now, is there a storage locker ( or some other place able to hold a person without detection) somewhere, that she visits regularly? Is there a place she goes, but lies about the true whereabouts of?These questions have to be asked, as the mind of a master manipulator is a very dark place, one that I know all too well now, sadly. Put a tracker on her car, ( or check if she rents a car in another name ), cellphones can be left at home on these visits, but physical evidence has to be there , somewhere. It seems likely she wld keep Renee close to her, but not too close to be obvious. She couldn't have gotten Renee out of the country, or even state without help. Check her travel movements now, is she purchasing questionable food , medical & clothing items on a regular, ( or semi-regular ) basis? Ones that seem to not fit her families needs, or her own. She did say " I'll own you forever" and there is no way that she "let" Renee have the final say, and having a tracker on Renee's car is always a possibility, as she wld be expecting a suicide. And by staging one , ( where a missing body can just be explained away because of water conditions) wld be the easiest way to keep Renee for herself, forever. I know this all sounds completely insane, but there's one thing I do know for sure, the narcissist ALWAYS has the last laugh. Being on borrowed time, myself, believe me,I know. I was writing this comment while the Renae Marsden case was on (case #238 ) somehow it came up on this one instead . ( I think the episode changed on me, so sorry!!!!)
Am I the only one who experiences a glitch with some of the case file videos on youtube? After the first commercial break this newest episode cut to the case of Charlie and alana, the girl who was found in the shipping container.
@@geendoor7711 I have faithfully listened to this podcast for a very long time. I was familiar with this case (don’t want to spoil the name for any potential listeners) but I just felt it drifted off at times. Just my opinion, no need to insult anyone’s intelligence over it 😔
Because it was the same killer in both cases. He confessed to the 1st murders after he was arrested for the second set of crimes. Todd Kolhep was a vicious, conscienceless killer from a very early age. He committed the bike shop murders because he thought they had stolen a bike he had bought from them. No evidence that they had anything to do with the theft. He just decided they did it, so he killed them.
@@rmooreg I understood that. But still he shouldn't have did this or he should have said something. Instead he got into commercials then started with the other case without saying anything 🙄. And after he talked about the other couple that had nothing to do with the first case presented. You realize the two are related much longer in the second case story when you find out he was the killer in both instances, till then you are up in the air.
@@loredanadincu4300 I guess they felt the best way to tell how he was finally caught for the bike shop killings was to recount the details of the murder/abduction case. It would be kind of lame to say. " The bike shop murders were finally solved after 10 years when a guy named Kolhep confessed to them after he was arrested for some other murders somewhere else" They had to give the background of the case he was arrested for. He was not connected to the bike shop case, at least not by name, and he would never have confessed to it he hadn't been caught in Arizona. Plus it kept up the suspense. And in truth, they told it in chronological order.
@@rmooreg I didn't feel no suspense and others aparently didn't also. There are other comments saying they feel the video confusing. Lame or not he should have said something after the commercials or he should have arranged the script in another order. The thing is I was expecting him to continue with the case after the commercials, but he started another case and let the other one in the air till almost the end when you realize that individual killed those people from the bike shop too.
@@loredanadincu4300 I very much agree with you! I am a faithful listener of this podcast and am very familiar with this case from others on YT who have covered it, and even talked to Todd to let him describe it himself. It’s not as if I couldn’t follow the details because I already knew the case, but I felt it could be very confusing for listeners unfamiliar with it, especially because of how many names were in the case. I only listened to about 3/4 after getting a little tired of the presentation myself. Just not my favorite episode, and a little bit of a bummer as I find this case pretty interesting. I definitely can see your perspective!
I’ve heard of these two cases separately but didn’t know they were related till now. Good job tying everything together. Never knew the bike shop case had been solved. Thanks for the podcast.
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Casefile has become my Saturday night staple with a coffee, perfect night in , thank you 👌
I didn't realize it was possible to say "BB gun" differently... lol. I love Casefile... I've literally been listening since the very beginning, pre-youtube... you quietly dominate the entire True Crime universe. Love you.
me too 😊
U clearly haven’t heard of Coffeehouse Crime… im just here to hold me over until the next Coffeehouse Crime vid!
Just woke up here in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania in America 🇺🇸 it’s 8am. Now my Saturday is getting off great 👍
This woman didnt even go on to remarry! She did a show like 13 yrs on still deeply and madly in love with her husband talking about only having eyes for him, and that with him gone there was only room for their son in her heart. Like.... It makes me see red every time thinking about how insulting it was to her that the forensic tecs can't put 2 stickers on 2 bottles properly and the 18 months of hell they caused a grieving widow for absolutely no reason at all beyond their own idiocy. 😡😡
Tbf They didn't get the bottles mixed up. The blood itself was mixed up resulting from the proximity of the victims. But I agree if you're going to throw out an accusation like that, you'd better be damn sure your evidence is correct. She should have sued tf out of them
When I was listening to that, it really reminded of how many times you hear of them making serious mistakes that have such dire consequences.
Exactly
@@SpicyTexan64 I actually wasn't aware of exactly how it had gotten switched, so thank you tons for adding that. Which- don't get me wrong I can totally see how something like that scenario could happen and just in general I can totally wrap my mind around "human error" mistakes- I mean, no one is perfect. What I can't understand though is when they took the sons diaper to get his DNA to compare.... Why on earth they would compare that to samples gathered from the crime scene vs samples taken directly from both men via the medical examiner.... Or once it came back looking like it was the other guys kid why they wouldn't cover their own asses and double check it in comparison to his mom (as in the boys grandma) or the grandpa like just to be sure before slinging accusations at the wall to hopefully find something that would stick. Maybe that has to do with dna's capabilities at the time, and potentially that's just my own bias coming from my age and the advancements DNA has made even just within my lifetime. But taking those things into account I just feel so so bad for that woman. I'm also the type that double checks basically everything so in general it just befuddles me that especially in the type of profession where mistakes can literally cost people their lives (regardless if it's a wrongful arrest/conviction- or say a mistake where a killer is released and goes on to kill again, or something obvious gets overlooked causing someone to not be arrested until much later and that could have saved other victims....) It just... Ugh- it's gut wrenching every time! I absolutely admire those that take that career path though, it's easy for me or anyone else to look over their actions in hindsight, I'm SO pointedly aware there's NO way I could do that job! Especially when thinking about how many times my husband has ran out of our room late at night thinking something was wrong to find me yelling at my phone over just ridiculous people in interrogations and me ranting over how on earth cops bite their tongues! I would be fired for unprofessionalism in my first week!! Lol smh.
Not many people love someone that much.
Thank you Casefile. You're my absolute favourite ☆☆☆
Thank-you Casefile!!
Love you CaseFiles! Thank you so much for your hard work.
Probably the best True Crime podcast there is 👏
Narrator's voice is truly priceless! Fantastic podcast thx! just wondering how many psychopaths are hiding in plain sight.....
All of them (at least my ex)
Me: survivor of psychotic narcissist abuse & trauma
The police bungle the DNA evidence, transposing the blood of 2 victims. Their excuse was that the 2 bodies were lying so close to each other. But one was laying just inside the building, blocking the doorway and the other was outside across the parking lot near a car. Hardly right on top of each other. What a huge blunder, and it caused a great deal stress and upset to bewildered, innocent family members.
What a nightmare!! Glad the woman escaped the misery and went back to Arizona.
Absolutely inexcusable.
Excellent, in-depth, research as usual!
How could you possibly know that?
Just climbed into bed, and was hoping for a new Casefiles.. Booyeaaahhhh!! Cheers mate, your a legend and your team is wonderful at presenting these cases!
I live just a few miles from where all of this happened. I’ve listened to a few people tell this story but you went above and beyond with the research. Very impressive.
It looks like the Spartanburg PD should have been arrested and charged with impersonating a police officer for the poor way they handled this case.
Well, yes, but if you started punishing police officers for negligence, America would only have like thirty cops and we'd all be partying around the hanged bodies of every cop in Uvalde. Whether that would be an improvement or a problem is a matter of opinion.
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Thank you! I've heard of the case of both the girl locked in the shed and the motorcycle shop shooting, but I never knew they were committed by the same perpetrator.
This was an excellent podcast! Loved it. Thank you for your hard work. I prefer long stories so I can do yard work, house work or baking, whatever. To the people who said there's too man characters, aw, poor things , go listen to a grade school podcast. Proud to be a subscriber.
Thank you
I’ve been aware of this story from the kidnapping/murder angle, never heard this poor widow’s story. This is the best true crime channel.
I’ve seen this case covered elsewhere on youtube and, in other comment sections, I’ve seen a bunch of vile, fully fictional things made up about Alana, trolls claiming she was a willing participant. If you’ve removed similar comments from your comment section, thank you.
Phenomenal coverage !!!
I had heard about the motorcycle shop murders before, but I didn't know they had been solved.
They should've kept that dude locked up. And for the mother asking them to go easy on her son 🤬 there's no damn way. She's obviously part of the problem. If that was my kid, lock him up for life. They go way to easy on these sick 🤬
Beautifully read.
A mistake like mixing up the blood samples can totally ruin an innocent persons life. Wont be the first or last where inexperienced people stuff up with major consequences.
Very intriguing Case..👍🏻
Why do cops never listen when people go missing and animals are involved. I would never leave my animals without making arrangements. When Alana's friends said she'd never leave her dog they should have believed them. Again, the cops put a grieving widow through hell for 18 months due to their incompetence. Her reputation was so tarnished she felt she had to leave the state.
Jasoninhell what a sad tragedy 😢 if he reads this I send my love best wishes his children will always be with him in his heart ❤ always may they rest in peace playing with the angels. Bless you Jason love from me in the UK xx
Yeeeeeeees! Go Ozzie.
I feel sorry for Melissa
He never should have had the freedom to do any of this. He started off unhinged and was raised in prison, then set loose on innocent people
Addictive because of the narrator
Love these,but I hope there are some more Australian Stories
Yeah I agree there more interesting.
@@danrobinson572 yep,and being an Australian based show,I think it’s important.but I find them all very interesting.There are a couple I can’t bring myself to listen to.
@@brianhale8537 I understand
Someday in the future, children who behave aggressively in pre-school will be looked at closely.
This was a true horror story.
Can you imagine just living your normal life and coming into contact with a psychopath
I spent the first 5 minutes thinking the store was called Superbikes Murder Sports.......
Ok, so there is a minor upside to not being an 8+ woman. That poor girl! She watched her man being killed and disposed of. I really hope she has had some semblance of recovery and progress.
Kala Brown was awarded $6.3 million in damages from the estate of Todd Kollhepp in court. She'd asked for $363 million. Not bad for 2 months work.
Kollhepp's estate was likely to have been worth no more than $2 million. The company who sold the arms to Kollhepp's buyer gave $2.5 million to be shared amongst the victims families.
Hard to figure out who made more from Kollhepp's crimes - the victims, their families or the attornies, but as always, it's the tax payers who will be footing the bill.
I am so angry that the detectives didn’t do a double-check with samples from the deceased man’s autopsy, or from one of his living relatives. I can understand why the wronged woman moved away, but DAMN that would be cause for a lawsuit.
Find profiler Phil Charmers, he talks to Todd regularly via prison phone, Todd's reasoning for everything is so matter of fact. He claims the folks at the motorbike store laughed at him for not being able to ride the motor bike he bought & that they also stole his new bike.. No motive, just that he wasn't going to take being teased, laughed at, taken for a fool. He'd show them. His Dad taught him to stand up for himself.
That's just some of Todd's reasoning.. Interesting character to be a spree killer and a serial killer...
Yeah it's bizarre. Even weirder, his mother continues to insist "he's really a good boy deep down, not some monster.."
@KS-PNW we have to let that go as a Mother's prerogative. I forgive her for that. Deep down I am sure they feel guilt for birthing him, but he will always be that sweet newborn to her. She can take some comfort un that. She did try to get him help as a kid.
These monsters damage their own families as well.
There are lots of sociopaths out there not killing people. He is evil to the bone
He chose to kill.
I'm inclined to believe him that they did that.
It makes you think that nothing was done in prison other tha teaching this guy an employment skill.
Nothing was done about actualy treating his attitudes and actions. His mother to her credit, tried when he was a child but to no avail.
He was trouble waiting to happen and nothing was done.
I have read that sociopaths can be taught to follow social rules as a benefit to themselves.
The first 5 years of his 15yr sentence at age 15 should have been in a specialist child psychiatric facility. It may have not changed anything but who knows?
If he was a dog, he would have not made it to adulthood. We can't cull himans. So we must put resources into socialising those with these personality defects. As much as I hate those !!#$%s
If I hear a shot, I would never go towards the sound! I'd hide!
Let's go
Best in a while…
@casefile what happened to casefile when are new uploads coming ?
My mum sold a murder house when she was an estate agent…
Must have been uncomfortable
@@natalieh4354 It was. Especially as she met the family of the murdered woman… she was shot by her Ex husband. The daughter discovered her body and she was the one who my mother was working with :(
@@grimspound7981 that's awful all round, I hope your mum is doing okay.
@@natalieh4354 She still sometimes mentions it.
I used to walk past a cottage everyday where either a hangman once lived or was the site of several suicid*s. The name “Hangman’s cottage” came from somewhere, from a time long ago, but people aren’t sure which story was the correct one.
🇬🇧 What a tremendous case!
So terrible & very scary that there are people out there like the person in this case!
I remember as a young child, one of our group of playmates was very cruel, killing frogs, birds even stoning a cat to death!
He'd sometimes hurt one of us giving us Chinese burns or tying us up & leaving us in the middle of nowhere.
Being a very forward child i was able to thwart his efforts in hurting me ( although he did once tie up my long hair in the branches of some thorny bushes)
We kind of kept our distance from him ( this was in the mid 1950s early 1960's) & sometimes he was great fun to be with, generous & giving, but he could turn on a sixpence!
We moved from the area, but i still heard, from time to time of his growing cruelties, & escalation in offences.
Then when i turned 19yrs old i found out he'd been killed by crashing a stolen car.
Something inside me, honestly felt a stab of regret & sheer relief!
My mum used to say he'd some to a sticky end one day!
I grieved for the happy fun playmate i knew but also relief he was taken before something serious happened & for him, whatever troubled his psyche was over.
I heard after his death that hed been in constant trouble with authorities & had ( even way back then) been in therapy & medication.
No doubt fate intervened in his life, i dread to think what he could have done if left to his ministrations!
I still think back to those times & with hindsight realise what a twisted sinister personality he had.
His sister was the total opposite to him & he idolized her, no one dare touch his sister.
His mum & dad were so nice & kind & despaired of his behaviour
Many years after his death i met his sister who id known well, & she wanted to talk about her brother to someone who knew him.
I think it was cathartic for her, shed not really been aware of the extent of his behaviour but knew her parents had often been in tears about him.
So sad in many ways, he came from a really nice family, even my parents said the same, how his sister was lovely & how much he adored her but to display such cruelty at such a young age??
His sister agreed his death was the end of his suffering & behaviour, & if he'd not died when he did, something terrible would have happened,
It makes you think these souls are born ¬ made
I hope his spirit is at peace & i remember him as the golden boy who could have us laughing fit to bust & his ingenious games that were brilliant!
God Rest his soul.
Thank you Casefiles, for another breathtakingly case so convoluted & scary.
🇬🇧👧
Cops Total Incompetence!!🤬
Listening to this, & having also gone thru both an 11 year & 16 year narcissistic abuse relationship, I honestly think that Renee is still alive, & obviously locked up somewhere only Camilla know about . She said she didn't know that Renee had driven to the Gap, to kill herself. Crap. Camilla wld never let that happen, as that wld be seen as an act of defiance, one that Camilla wld never let happen. It sounds too well set up to be a suicide. The fact there was no body found, ( when the weather & water conditions wld have washed it up somewhere), only makes me think that she is definitely alive somewhere, if only for Camilla's undying control. In every lie from a narcissist, there is about a 10% truth, or clue. If Renee is still alive, check Camilla's whereabouts now, is there a storage locker ( or some other place able to hold a person without detection) somewhere, that she visits regularly? Is there a place she goes, but lies about the true whereabouts of?These questions have to be asked, as the mind of a master manipulator is a very dark place, one that I know all too well now, sadly. Put a tracker on her car, ( or check if she rents a car in another name ), cellphones can be left at home on these visits, but physical evidence has to be there , somewhere. It seems likely she wld keep Renee close to her, but not too close to be obvious. She couldn't have gotten Renee out of the country, or even state without help. Check her travel movements now, is she purchasing questionable food , medical & clothing items on a regular, ( or semi-regular ) basis? Ones that seem to not fit her families needs, or her own. She did say " I'll own you forever" and there is no way that she "let" Renee have the final say, and having a tracker on Renee's car is always a possibility, as she wld be expecting a suicide. And by staging one , ( where a missing body can just be explained away because of water conditions) wld be the easiest way to keep Renee for herself, forever. I know this all sounds completely insane, but there's one thing I do know for sure, the narcissist ALWAYS has the last laugh.
Being on borrowed time, myself, believe me,I know.
I was writing this comment while the Renae Marsden case was on (case #238 ) somehow it came up on this one instead . ( I think the episode changed on me, so sorry!!!!)
Too many ad breaks
What a nightmare. Facebook " friendships" are just too dangerous
lol
And she didn’t even go by herself. What a terrifying story.
Am I the only one who experiences a glitch with some of the case file videos on youtube? After the first commercial break this newest episode cut to the case of Charlie and alana, the girl who was found in the shipping container.
I didn't experience that. Maybe try cleaning cache and cookies?
its the same case moron
@@skitch1518 Did you really need to be so agressive?
Its the same case. Just keep listening.
I've never heard this case called "The Killer Realtor"
I was hoping to hear something new 🤔🤣
It was kala brown who was chained up not Alana as stated
He said that some names had been changed at the beginning of the podcast
Don't run towards gunshots
I don't like the new anime thumb
The crisis center intro is old and dumb.
For you maybe, but not for new listeners.
He was obviously framed.
Normally I enjoy these presentations, but I gave up on this one…too many characters, too many subplots…I gave up on it.
Starting to feel the same 😔 I thought it was just me.
Aawwwww!!! Don't be lazy (hehe)
Aww, go listen to cartoons then. If you haven't got the concentration for this kind of podcast, you need to find something like Barney.
I'm like that with the latest Crime Weekly podcast 👌
@@geendoor7711 I have faithfully listened to this podcast for a very long time. I was familiar with this case (don’t want to spoil the name for any potential listeners) but I just felt it drifted off at times. Just my opinion, no need to insult anyone’s intelligence over it 😔
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That's crazy she was doing the dog with her husband's best friend, what a garbage person Melissa is. The poor child.
Turns out she wasn't.
You obviously didn't finish listening to the rest of the podcast
Why the details of the other case in the middle of the first one.
Because it was the same killer in both cases. He confessed to the 1st murders after he was arrested for the second set of crimes. Todd Kolhep was a vicious, conscienceless killer from a very early age. He committed the bike shop murders because he thought they had stolen a bike he had bought from them. No evidence that they had anything to do with the theft. He just decided they did it, so he killed them.
@@rmooreg I understood that. But still he shouldn't have did this or he should have said something. Instead he got into commercials then started with the other case without saying anything 🙄. And after he talked about the other couple that had nothing to do with the first case presented. You realize the two are related much longer in the second case story when you find out he was the killer in both instances, till then you are up in the air.
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I guess they felt the best way to tell how he was finally caught for the bike shop killings was to recount the details of the murder/abduction case. It would be kind of lame to say. " The bike shop murders were finally solved after 10 years when a guy named Kolhep confessed to them after he was arrested for some other murders somewhere else" They had to give the background of the case he was arrested for. He was not connected to the bike shop case, at least not by name, and he would never have confessed to it he hadn't been caught in Arizona. Plus it kept up the suspense. And in truth, they told it in chronological order.
@@rmooreg I didn't feel no suspense and others aparently didn't also. There are other comments saying they feel the video confusing. Lame or not he should have said something after the commercials or he should have arranged the script in another order. The thing is I was expecting him to continue with the case after the commercials, but he started another case and let the other one in the air till almost the end when you realize that individual killed those people from the bike shop too.
@@loredanadincu4300 I very much agree with you! I am a faithful listener of this podcast and am very familiar with this case from others on YT who have covered it, and even talked to Todd to let him describe it himself. It’s not as if I couldn’t follow the details because I already knew the case, but I felt it could be very confusing for listeners unfamiliar with it, especially because of how many names were in the case. I only listened to about 3/4 after getting a little tired of the presentation myself. Just not my favorite episode, and a little bit of a bummer as I find this case pretty interesting. I definitely can see your perspective!