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If the killing intent feeling can't be projected by just about anyone, then by their own theory, the technique is useless against anyone who isn't a bujinkan student. My favourite mystical creature is that dude's hair.
@@stuartschultz8823 Then in that case, the Bujinkan sensei actually should allow anyone to perform a committed Sakki test on them, with full intention to do harm. According to their logic, their Ninja sense would start tingling and they'd avoid the attack.
@@stuartschultz8823 What are you talking about with a foam sword? The claim that the Bujinkan are making is false: they say that only another B.Kan member can initiate the test. The original commenter to this thread pointed this out and how useless of an ability that truly is, if that premise is taken to be true. If a B.Kan master could actually sense "Sakki" or killing intent, anyone, anyone at all, could initiate the test on them, and they'd sense their intent and avoid the strike. Live blade or not, it doesn't matter: it's a rigged test where adequate students are given a signal. If you were adequate, the sensei would signal you before they struck and you'd move. Although I doubt there's proof or video of what you're talking about: only hearsay and tall tales. Because the reality is that this sham of a test isn't worth dying over, and anyone knows that.
This is such a responsible channel. This video reminded me of a quote by mark Twain. "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled" Dragon is eternally my favourite
Many years ago a friend of mine wasted two whole years of his life on this BS "martial art" being lead to believe that it was something it really wasn't, eventually i persuaded him to come to our BJJ club and it took one week to open his eyes, he earned his purple belt 3 days ago 👊🏻 ... loch ness monster
A lot of people who joined the Bujinkan, did so long before there was RUclips or even a lot of choice out there in terms of available martial arts. It was hard to compare them and see what was really effective. I spent a lot of time in a couple of martials arts (including the Bujinkan), and can say that it took time to realize what was truly effective and what was not. Channels like this are great for prospective students, because they can more easily compare what's out there. I wish they were around back in the 80's when I watched "Karate Kid" and "Blood Sport" and fully bought in to the idea that it was 100% legit and I could be the next Daniel-san! LOL! That said, I met a lot of great people during those years and it kept me in good shape! It wasn't all bad a bad experience, but I get that it could lead to a dangerous false sense of security outside of the dojo.
You did well by your friend for opening his eyes and encouraging him to take up BJJ. Also congratulations to your friend for earning his purple belt :D Friends don't let friends be duped into illegitimate martial arts, right? :)
After doing bjj for 5 years a friend in a next city i moved, invited me to a budo class... I really love japanese culture and martial arts SO for me was like living a videogame... Then thing started yo get weird, it felt like a ego contest between them where the higher belts would take a white belt and show them the techniques but with full power... Smacking people and saying them that it was to jumpstart the danger feeling in our body... What a load of garbage, i'm from latín américa, My danger feeling is quite well developed thanks You... My fav is the dragón hehe
I took the Sakki Test 3 times and it is ENTIRELY reliant on your reflexes. You hear the stick going through the air, you hear the person breathing out sometimes, and then you react. There is no magic but it's a fun test to try your reflexes 🙇 - George Dillman is my favorite mythical creature
This kinda thing was fostered in the 80s and 90s when martial arts still had a lot of mystique to them. It's a cool concept, the idea that you can tune your senses so finely that you can detect a swing and move out of the way. But even if you could do that you'd still almost have to read the sword guys mind to be able to physically move away in time.
I met a few of these clowns at a conference. One was a 10th Dan and told me he paid $20k for his testing fee. This was 20 some years ago so who knows what it cost now. Having 15 ranks of black belt is very lucrative. We joke about it but Hatsumi is laughing all the way to the bank. He is a very wealthy man taking money from fools.
Solid breakdown. I remember explaining this to a friend of mine in highschool. He didnt believe me until I just did it to him. Then we talked about how our favorite mythical creature is the kolowa
@@odinmeacham2119 I love Utah! Lived here my whole life. I drive past that place almost every day. My favorite sign they had was “learn real Jedi Powers!”…..😂
Actually, it appears that he doesn't just raise his body but nudges him with his left foot prior to "striking". Watch it again and pay attention to the movement of his left leg prior to the strike. Totally cued him.
Currently a BJJ brown belt and coach, and did the sakki test several times (successfully and not) back before I fully realized I was doing a fake martial art. They don't give it to you until you're already super indoctrinated. By 5th degree black belt you're already invested, so there's more pressure to just go with the sakki test even if you suspect it's BS. I love this video. Thanks for all the work you do. And I love that the internet and youtube has allowed to see such an obvious difference between what makes a sakki test pass or fail. It always felt like something within the 5 senses was going on and being able to see it on video really helps.
So I used to be heavily involved in the Bujinkan back in the 90's and early 2000's. I successfully did the Godan test in Japan (and oddly enough I found it on RUclips recently! LOL). Everyone I talked to said something different about it. Personally I felt and heard nothing that I can tangibly describe. I just didn't realize I was rolling until mid-way through the roll. I looked up and Hatsumi Sensei gave me an approving nod and an "OK!". I have heard in Bujinkan circles that this test was designed to weed-out undesirable potential instructors. Godan is the rank that is required to have your own dojo (at least it was when I was practicing). Over the years there were problems with practitioners opening their own "Ninja" dojos, changing the art, and profiting off of it heavily (videos, study-at-home courses, etc). Many people from many countries show up in Japan to train and it is hard to vet them when they say they have trained under a certain person, or that they are a certain rank. Perhaps students who show up in Japan and have somewhat dubious references, are failed intentionally to prevent them from opening a a school and claiming affiliation to the Bujinkan. I am not saying this possibility is fact, or even necessarily my personal opinion. I am just suggesting it as a potential possibility in some cases. I knew many instructors in the Bujinkan that absolutely believe in the idea of sensing the killer intention in the test. I can only really speak from my personal experience with this test. I understand the skepticism. I enjoy your videos! Keep making them!
@Stacey Angela "There's no such thing as chance or luck" , are you serious? Do you not understand every time you roll a set of dice it is chance ? Or do you believe a magic power controls the outcome of every throw?
@Stacey Angela yes, we use words to describe things we observe. Things and concepts. You also have a problem with words and the need to make up more words as we observe new things ?
@Stacey Angela You never answered my question about rolling dice. Is it a chance (1 in 6 ) that you will roll a certain number or do you believe something is controlling the outcome ?
In the early 90s, I did this with a few fellow junior instructors because we saw it done and wanted to try it. For me as the uke, I basically estimated how long it would take the tori to lift the Shinai and cut. I still got hit almost every time. When I did get my head out of the way, my hip or leg was hit. There are markers you can hear of feel as you mentioned. I would hear their gi, slight movement of the foot or the air as the Shinai went up. Lol. I never did it again but of course I had to try it.
Aloha good sir. I just wanted to thank you. I've been a practitioner of the martial arts all of my life. I hold black belts in a couple of different arts and one of those happens to be a 5th Dan in bunjinkan ninjutsu. Now before you think that I'm gonna try to argue for the Bunjinkan, I actually want to agree with you. The test is subject to the person giving the test if you pass or fail. And I applaud you on bringing this to light, I am no longer associated with the organization for these very reasons. So mahalo brother, thanks for keeping the martial arts legit.
Always with the great editing my dude. Only a minute in the video and burst out laughing and now there's coffee everywhere. Love the content , keep it up!
I was part of a coercive martial arts Cult, me and some friends that were able to quit are still being harassed by the main teacher and some of his students. Anywhere I can submit that story? My favorite Mystical creature is the legendary Esquilax the horse with the head of a rabbit and the body of a rabbit.
@@WatchMysh It's a long-ass story. I sent Rob an email with part 1 of it, LOL. I left the cult-like a year ago and the guy is still insulting me and my current teacher on fb.
The thing that puzzles me is the students probably believe if this was going to happen in real life that they would feel something and move out of the way... so the fact that they won't let outsiders do it to them proves this is utter BS. Great video!!!! -Dragon
I wouldn't mind the bujinkan as long as the instructor's are at least honest, but I prefer to learn BJJ Judo and Jūjutsu, also my favorite mythical creature is Tengu 😄. Thank you for sharing 😊.
It seems to be more of a political issue. Those who want him to pass the test, he makes it softer and even seems to stop a little. Those who don't do it quickly.
I trained in Bujinkan, took the sakki test, passed it, whatever. I will say that in the past when I used to train there have been several occasions where friends and other students attacked me when I wasn't looking. I've even avoided two different dogs that attacked me from behind I moved and didn't get hit. I don't think it's magic. I think most people just aren't in tune with what's really going on around them. Who cares what you call it? If it gives you the sensitivity and muscle memory to move out of an attack's way and keeps you alive, you can call it magical unicorn rainbow power for all I care. I believe the big problem in the Bujinkan is lack of quality control. I have met some truly scary and dangerous people in the art. I've also met a lot more people in it that couldn't defend against a wet pool noodle. When 80% of the students are crap and gain belts just for showing up, of course the art gets a bad rep, and rightfully so. If people were uniformly held to strict standards and curriculum, the art would have a much better reputation Chupocabra!
Yeah dude I grew up getting into a lot of street fights as a kid eventually got into boxing and when I started taking ninjutsu I met plenty of people who had been training for years ago wouldn't last a minute in a fight with me. But the Instructor ed was one of the scariest people I've met in my life despite being five foot five and looking like a mole man. I've tried every submission move imaginable on him from full arm bars on the ground completely set, rear naked chokes, full mount, and he would always easily break out and put me in a helpless position but the craziest thing was he gave me two wooden knives and he has a little rope while he was blindfolded showing off a practical application of a technique we were practicing. I asked him how he wanted me to come at him and he said " for this just do your best to hit me" I waited for a couple seconds and fucking tried my hardest to hit him and in an instant I was on the ground with my hands wrapped up holding the wooden knives to my own throat. That being said of the 15 other people I trained with I believe only one of the guys in the class besides Ed was likely even remotely competent in a fight despite many of them being close to black belts. I think like any martial art there are valuable tools and it has weaknesses. I've been in fights since training and the only time I ever really used any of it was when somebody tried to grab and throw me. Either way even if it's a trick, someone being able to defend themselves against a weapon while blind folded is certainly not BS but I imagine for every practitioner that can do that there's probably 40 that can't so for those other 40 people they'd probably be better off doing BJJ
I attended a few classes a few years ago we had one attacker to defend against, when a second attacker came in I was told this was “divine inspiration” to defend from multiple attacks, needless to say I never went back. Pegasus
Thanks for your videos brudda, I love them Sometimes we can feel our efforts are futile and pointless but I promise you man, this suicidal combat vet appreciates the small things like these videos being an outlet. My favorite mythical creature has gotta be the leviathan, or maybe kraken, seeing as how I was a sailor... also, funny enough my parents dog is named Cooper and we call him "the cooperchabra" cuz he's a fucking monster lol
If you notice, before he strikes, he lifts his heels off the mat. I'm sure that there's a slight change in the floor when he does that which you are suppose to "sense". Otherwise the extra movement in the strike makes no sense and no swordsman would strike like that without unique circumstances. Yeah, that's gotta be it. I've seen Hatsumi Sensei do it on video and I believe his abilities. Ninjutsu is based, in part, on trickery so there has to be some sort of "trick" to doing this...and I think it's that change in floor pressure.
The purple hair dye has clearly affected Hatsumi's brain (in a bad way). Folks who were involved in MA in the early 80s (like me. Was RARE then.) remember Hatsumi and his more well known students of the time. Allowing one's self to get whacked in the head with a not is NOT good MA! I trained in Togakure Ryu Ninpo for a couple years in the late 80s. I have BBs in LEGIT MAs, though!
Hah...chill out about the purple hair dye...I did a lot of that back in the day. I'm not saying it didn't hurt my head...just saying I train BJJ and not magic so not all dye ruins people from real arts. Or something. So maybe it's not all just about the dye. ;-)
Was wondering when you upload again, great breakdown and highly entertaining to see you " interview" this guy, my favorite mystical creature is the European dragon, legit
I understand that this is only my opinion; however, I really like what you are doing for the martial arts community. I hope you keep going strong for decades to come.
I teach karate in a Bushinkan dojo...I trained Bushinkan here in Brasil in that dojo, but when I arrived I was already an experienced karate, judo and jiu-jitsu fighter. They did everything for me not to take early belt exams... I would never be able to take a first dan exam, because of sabotage.
I'm a Hachidan in Bujinkan, and I took the test. It's not metaphysical, it's not a "six" sense. It's simply using your senses (hearing mostly) and understanding of the timing of an attack. For me I "felt" my spine tighten and an alarm went off to get out of the way. Upon reflection, I realized that I heard the grip tighten on the fukuro shinai as Noguchi raised the sword before swinging down. My "feeling" was simply a reaction to that. Think more like dancing with the test giver leading. A good explanation for it is in the book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell, who describes it as "thin slicing". Yes, if the teacher wants you to fail, they will do what they can to make you fail (as you pointed out in the video). If the test administrator gives a swing full of "intention" , it's easier to tell when it's coming (it's telegraphed a bit more). Not sure what dojo you visited, but that's BS you can't take the test, and can't give the test. If you pass, you don't get to be a Godan though. The concept of Sakki is not unique to Bujinkan either, it's in quite a few older Japanese Martial arts. Finally, it's not technically 15 Dan, it's a special designation with Judan (Kugyo Happy Biken), but people are lazy and call it that. Mark is a nice dude but maybe not the best representative of the art in these situations. Not saying I am, but a lot of practitioners end up falling down rabbit holes. Let's just say quality control is not the strong suit of Bujinkan 😉. And Tengu - just because it seems appropriate.
@@McDojoLife I'm not arguing that it isn't be being presented that way to a degree. It's a mystical explanation to a somewhat real phenomenon that's also described that way in other older Japanese arts where they believed ki was something real. There is this idea in the art of projecting Sakki, hiding Sakki and sensing Sakki. More interesting question is if Hatsumi Sensei believes in it or not. Either way, you're welcome to come swing a stick at our head if you're in the neighborhood. What school did you end up visiting?
@@Todaidojo can’t tell you that yet until the documentary comes out :) it was a 15th degree blackbelt though 😁 Next time I’m out that way I will be happy to stand behind you and administer the sakki test of any participants willing :)
I watch your clip and love them I'm from México and I appreciate what your doing helping people to keep the marcial arte legit. You algo make me laugh a lot, thanks bro. My mithical creature will be the ancient gigants
I’ve trained in the Buninkan. Got to 1st Dan. Was good for fitness and discipline but I am in no way a believer when it comes to ‘evil intentions’ or mystical powers. All that is is a load of bollocks! Oh, and I’d say my favourite mystical creature is the Manticore…
I think it depends highly on the dojo how much of the mystical stuff you get. We try to cut it out as far as possible and if we address it, we do it with a look on "how did they think back then" or what could the real intend be, if you take the abracadabra away. After all it comes down to timing, angle and distance, which are the basics of every martial arts.
@@MrShadeofMyself True enough. The dojo I trained at was very far away from the mystical shit and focussed more on the movement and the techniques. It was fun to train and learn what my body was capable of. If I turned up to class one day and I got informed I was going to test my ‘awareness’ I may have just laughed in my sensei’s face!
@@darrenwright9619 we actually try the godan test from time to time and it is good to get the people focused in the beginning of the training but the whole intend with the "intention" stuff is a bit messi in the explanation. There are other ways to test or teach awareness, we do small game like exercises to teach the people to pay attention on where they stand, what others have in their hands and stuff. The things which are, in my eyes the core essence of self defence: how not to get into trouble in the first place. But this does not need Chi/Magic/whatever in it to explain it.
I spent ten years in the Bujinkan and got to 4th dan, so I can't speak to what taking the godan test is like. But during my time in the Bujinkan I spent a lot of time with different people in nearly every part of the organization and I have a few observations. One, yes there is a kind of cult mentality among a lot of them, and they treat the godan test like some kind of Holy Grail of achievement. As best I can tell, it really is just a reflex test. Like I said, I've never done it formally, but I've done it informally. Sometimes I got hit, and sometimes I didn't. There is also a TON of brown-nosing and trying to ingratiate yourself to the high level Japanese teachers. The honbu dojo was basically a circus of showboating non-Japanese trying to look good and score points with the high-ranking Japanese teachers. It's the show-boaters and brown-nosers who make the godan into some kind of sixth sense mystical thing. Unfortunately, this kind of stuff makes up the majority of the Bujinkan. And a lot of otherwise well-meaning and sincere people get taken in with this fiasco and wind up learning a bunch of bull crap. Another unfortunate thing is that there is actually a wealth of awesome koryu bujutsu that could be learned in the Bujinkan, and I fortunately got to learn a little of it. But it took me years of wading through a bunch of bull crap before I finally found it. The reason why is because the traditional Japanese method of transmission of a discipline, Taiden, is done between a master and a disciple. Not unlike an apprentice who works with a master craftsman. The master won't show his craft, something he has worked his entire life to master, to just anybody. The master is always looking for the disciple, the one who can truly absorb and preserve the art. That's how the art survives. But if all you have to choose from at the honbu dojo is a bunch of gaijin who are only interested in gaining rank and starting their own schools and teaching whatever they want to under the banner of "Ninjutsu", then if you're one of the Japanese sensei and you see this, then you play your cards close to your chest. You smile, happily take their money, and give them exactly what they came to get, a "mystical experience". So yeah, Hatsumi sensei sees all this and permits it. Whether or not he encourages it by permitting it is up for debate, but if you're going to judge him at least try to learn a little Japanese perspective before you do so. But still, I left. I think for me, it just ran its course. I had gotten out of it what I wanted. I won't say it was a complete waste of time because I did finally find some authentic koryu bujutsu (actual Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu kihon gata and Kukishinden ryu bojutsu and kenjutsu). And I made some awesome friendships in the discovery, especially my senpai who was gracious enough to share what he was learning from his master. The time I spent training with him and talking and sharing experiences with him I wouldn't trade for the world. Sorry for the long post. My favorite mystical animal is Jormungandr, the ultimate ouroboros. Amitoufo.
Jason Parker, Hey read your post. Loved your breakdown of your journey. I for one found it a very good insight, so I think you for sharing with us. Health & Happiness to you sir.
I "studied" Genbukhan Ninjutsu when I was in high school but I figured out pretty quick that I couldn't do it and also wrestle on my high school team, so I left the phony baloney mcdojo crap behind. Im glad I did, what I learned on the wrestling mat has been much more useful in self defense. Naturally! 😄
I'm more excited about this documentary than I have been about any movie Hollywood has released. As a guy who grew up on 80s & 90s martial arts movies and magazines, and who saw the peak of martial arts nonsense first hand (I was a true believer as a kid), I greatly appreciate all that you do to keep the martial arts legit. And for the record, Bigfoot is my homeboy.
That was an interesting version of your usual combination of sad brainwashing with Three Stooges-style comedy footage. Anyway, I appreciate how you break down how these con-artists monetize their BS. I've found it a helpful frame of reference for thinking about deception of consumers in general. Also, my favorite mythical creature is the Fenris Wolf or the Golem.
That is interesting about bujinkan! Thank you for your work in keeping martial arts legit! I can’t think of a fantasy animal, so I’m going to say peregrine falcons, because when the dive on prey they punch it instead of grabbing it.
I have Mastered this Skill through years of focused training. From age 5, my Mother would smack me on the head with her flip flop. By age 25, I developed the Skill to dodge every flip flop smack, including her flying flip flop attack. But I still Bow to her as my Sensei...
I spent near 10 years in this martial art, went to Japan twice and recieved my black belt 1st Dan there. Trained in the Hombu dojo and my disappointement was bigger than my expectations. The Hombu dojo was just full of occidental people, I saw poor not realistical techniques, and the worst thing happened was when we were training with bokken (wood swords), mine accidentaly hitted Hatsumi's sensei back on the head, and he just kept walking like nothing happened and nobody saw it. Saw the Sakki test live with that flashy and noisy (yes noisy when it traveled trough the air) stick. I asked myself the point of doing a test with a stick that made so much noise and that you hear it coming. I stopped training in Bujinkan months later after this thing, it was too much for me. OK, I learned some nice things that made me feel like a warrior, but after near 20 years I came to BJJ, started all over, discovered what really was to be beated and discovered that it has NOTHING to do with that ninja LARP. I really hope some pratictionners will open their eyes also. Stop lying to yourselves!
I have trained “Ninjutsu” under a responsible instructor. What they call Ninjutsu is basically a combination of Japanese Jujitsu, Judo, Karate and Aikido. My instructor the first moment he saw me throwing punches very badly he stopped teaching me all the fancy locks and throw downs and focused on teaching me how to box properly and we worked with pads, after that we worked on some basic ground techniques and grappling then once we had the boxing and grappling fixed we started with the traditional locks and throw downs. He never encouraged me to disarm a person unless I had to fight for my life and to be honest, when I was 17 years old a hooligan who was way older than me, assaulted me and what I learnt saved my life. I stopped training after 5 years of practicing with him then I trained Krav Maga/Kapap under another very realistic and responsible instructor who also showed us some Sambo techniques and now I am training Kickboxing in my spare time. All these combination of techniques helped me so it is not always about the martial art itself, it is about who is teaching you always! The only way to actually learn ninjutsu is going back in time and be a part of Shinobi clan in ancient Japan.
The test has nothing to do with the rank debacle. The Roemke guy you featured supposedly got his rank through an online program. Rank in the organization is out of control but that is more a consequence of size and ¥. Within your video there was an image of a woman in pink, she was actually a tv reporter who tried the test so your belief that only students can take it is incorrect. Is it rigged? Try it for yourself. Do it with someone you know and then exchange roles and report back your results. Or you can measure the fastest possible reaction time to sound, and calculate whether that is how the taker knows when to move. Or have some controls to ensure the proctor is not moving their body and starting from a static position and cutting straight down all the way to the floor. There are much better examples of proper sakki tests but the recent ones leave a lot to be desired for those who understand the test and it’s value. Instead of an obnoxious opinion with your own sophomoric jabs at the organization, though you’re entitled to both, how about some researched facts that can prove you’re correct? It might take more time than watching some videos and using their footage, but it would at least make the endeavor worthwhile. The test is not a representation of the fighting techniques of the arts so your fear of it being used to take advantage of people is misplaced. The test is of sensitivity to an opponent’s intent, and people have their own experiences with this kind of thing on the daily. I don’t think of it as ESP or a sixth sense, and the test traditionally just marked a different stage in one’s practice of the art. It has become an embarrassment more of how the test has been administered so poorly in recent years, and also because the people taking the test have not even mastered the basic curriculum found in the many schools that make up the Bujinkan. Are there Poor examples of the test that were still considered a pass? Yes, but that does not mean that the test itself is a fraud or impossible. Until you see a properly administered test in person, you will remain ignorant of what it really is, but you’re probably only interested as far as the views and subscriptions you can get off mocking it so enjoy.
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My understanding is that Hatsumi picks and chooses who he whacks. If he wants you to pass he'll let you move. If he doesn't want you to pass... *whack*
I did not belive in this test. But when we did it with eyes and ears covered, that made me question is I was wrong. I took the test in Japan. Made it on the first attempt. Not all do. I think it was because I picky reacted, I was not nervous because I was supposed to do it a coke if days before (and was shit nervous) and then lost the nervousness. The chemist Niels Bohr did a lot of cowboy dueling with his students. The reacting party won more than the one that started to draw the weapon. This is because conscious actions takes longer in the brain to process. So with the relaxation, your nervous system acts and use subconscious processes. Sort of reflexes. I think this is the real training. To stay cool when people attack you and just move. Like all martial arts, not all martial artists are perfect. Like myself. I am lazy. But at least I can swing weapons at the BJJ people that crawl on the floor but have no doubt they will kill me if I let them come close 🤣 I like that you visited the Dojos. Did you actually fight anyone in Bujinkan? My favorite fantasy animal is dragons😉
@@McDojoLifehello, I have been watching your videos for about a year and I think your videos are incredibly valuable for teaching what does and does not work. I sorted this video by new and noticed you offered each person defending the test to try it in person with you. I know it’s often you invite people to pressure test their beliefs but how often do people take you up on the offer? I know you are busy so I would appreciate the reply. Also, my creature is the Minotaur lol
@@Among13504 thank you for the support. It’s rare they ever take me up but I did have a guy on a video called “McDojo Breakdown: Art to Miss” take me up. Definitely check it out and let me know what you think
@@McDojoLife Thanks for the recomendation. I'll watch it after my finals. Btw, I saw you posted about the NUCA MMA event last Sunday on your story. I'm a Pitt student in the MMA club and I just wanna say thanks for supporting the event. I've watched all my friends train so hard for this event and they all loved the opportunity to fight. Thanks for giving us the publicity and we hope you come to the next event we have in febuary. Thanks for supporting the collegiate martial arts!
@@McDojoLife no what does that have to do with anything? I dont understand what you are confused with. All I did was comment saying I've heard of it before and understand why they do it. I would have commented the exact same thing if I watched 1st or not
Even if you believe in projection of Sakki (translated in my Lone Wolf & Cub mangas as 'bloodlust'), how could you do it in a training setting using a floppy shinai? Unless you were using a real weapon with intent to kill, there would be no sakki to detect. Jabberwock.
You debunked it perfectly. As usual the bujinkan takes something real, like training in developing awareness, and turns it into stage play. -The undead
If I had to hazard a guess, I would say that it is the person administering the test that actually decides if you pass. They can see you tense up, move etcetra and tailor their swing to either hit or allow you to 'dodge'. It is kinda funny because this is the exact opposite of what the test claims to detect. If they truely intend to hit you, then you really have no chance; if they do not intend to hit you, you are able to dodge, but what exactly did you sense?
I was really into Bujinkan when I just started out my martial arts journey. Ngl it was Rob who helpede open my eyes against what McDojos to look out for. Cheers for ya man. That being said, my fav mystical creature is Ashida "the Bullet Catcher" Kim
FFS... When I did koryu jujitsu we would practice someone sneaking behind you and strangling you while you sit in seiza, which kind of helps you learn about listening and developing feeling (and you can argue how useful this is too), and frankly why not actually do that? Why is this guy wacking people with a kendo shinai? What does this teach? This isn't even close to reality.
So by their own definition its a failed test. What if someone who doesnt have that killer aura and just drops the sword on their head so they wont be able spidy sense it and die.
0:56: what is the guy using to hit? It is something soft, you can see it bending when hits the ground. Looks like a fabric snake we use in the windows in winter. By the way, do window snakes count as mythical creatures? Unicorns make me puke. 😉
As a Bujinkan practitioner, I have to be honest. The Sakki test and extra belt ranks after 5th need to be tossed out and remembered as a mistake. The Bujinkan has long since become bogged down with a culture that looks down on pressure testing and obsesses over it's own politics. I stay because there is value in it if you're not looking to fulfill some ninja fantasy and you're willing to cross train and get your nose bloodied. The Akban organization is what the Bujinkan should have become. This video needed to be made
haha thats funny, ive always thought this test was about hearing.. thanks for the vid man! you didnt tell me till the end.. umm idk Falcor is mythical right?
As a 2nd degree black belt in Budo taijutsu Thank you for believing we're a cult and that our martial art is "fake" I'm sure Rob did his homework 😆 when he researched this
@McDojoLife why? You debunked yourself on the part where the person that's kneeling can simply (dodge) the blade because they can "hear"...ok! then how come a lot of the students got hit in your video? Your strawman was "they were dumb or 💰" lol 😆 which is it? Could they hear or not? Especially when their are clips of Sensei hatsumi over extending himself Good example at 4:48 notice sensei was calm and subtle in his cut and Marks wasn't ok I hear ya but then fast forward to 6:12 sensei literally did the same if not more exaggerated cut and still connected so??? Sounds like you were winging it there, bud
@@jon82489 😂 I’m happy to perform this on you. Let me know when works for you :) Always amazing when y’all prove my point for me when you aren’t even willing to talk about it in a live setting or pressure test the nonsense :) You might want to actually hear what I said in the video. Clearly stated he picks and chooses who passes and fails. Did you miss that part?
@McDojoLife how? How does he pick and choose? Like serious how? And even if he does "pick and choose," you said earlier they can hear for subtle noises that can give it away? So which is it? Are they in on it? Can they hear it coming, or are they larping? I'm glad to perform the saki test with you and vice versa with a padded sword Not afraid, after all, it's just two people delivering and receiving the cut it's not that hard
@@jon82489 sweet. Let’s make it happen. I will film as well. Shoot me a message on IG so we can set up times and dates. Also, up to join me live to discuss?
That test makes sense if you know exactly why they're doing it. Yeah, it's testing your ability to react to danger or "sense the ominous intent" as it was put, but it also tests your ability to control yourself, relax, and maintain composure and calmness in a situation where you know you're going to be hurt. It seems that if one can keep their sh*t together and remain calm in that situation, they pass that test and those that can't, even if they randomly manage to guess a totally random cut, still usually get hit on their backs or legs or something. I've watched a few of these in real life, on RUclips, and other platforms, and the way the cut is made is totally random, no preset time intervals, the guy sitting the test is always far enough away that the tester cant touch him with his foot unnoticeably, and you cant feel anything through the floor either. So, idk, man, there's something to it, but certainly not magic or whatever. Your reflexes seem to play a part too, but having good reflexes is useless if you're too freaked out to let them happen.
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If the killing intent feeling can't be projected by just about anyone, then by their own theory, the technique is useless against anyone who isn't a bujinkan student.
My favourite mystical creature is that dude's hair.
Perfect Hair Forever
A real attack will have killing intent
@@stuartschultz8823 Then in that case, the Bujinkan sensei actually should allow anyone to perform a committed Sakki test on them, with full intention to do harm. According to their logic, their Ninja sense would start tingling and they'd avoid the attack.
@@WarriorBoy how can you do harm with a foam sword? They don’t use bokken anymore. The last one to take the test with a live blade is Doron Novon.
@@stuartschultz8823 What are you talking about with a foam sword? The claim that the Bujinkan are making is false: they say that only another B.Kan member can initiate the test. The original commenter to this thread pointed this out and how useless of an ability that truly is, if that premise is taken to be true. If a B.Kan master could actually sense "Sakki" or killing intent, anyone, anyone at all, could initiate the test on them, and they'd sense their intent and avoid the strike. Live blade or not, it doesn't matter: it's a rigged test where adequate students are given a signal. If you were adequate, the sensei would signal you before they struck and you'd move. Although I doubt there's proof or video of what you're talking about: only hearsay and tall tales. Because the reality is that this sham of a test isn't worth dying over, and anyone knows that.
This is such a responsible channel. This video reminded me of a quote by mark Twain.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled"
Dragon is eternally my favourite
Many years ago a friend of mine wasted two whole years of his life on this BS "martial art" being lead to believe that it was something it really wasn't, eventually i persuaded him to come to our BJJ club and it took one week to open his eyes, he earned his purple belt 3 days ago 👊🏻 ... loch ness monster
A lot of people who joined the Bujinkan, did so long before there was RUclips or even a lot of choice out there in terms of available martial arts. It was hard to compare them and see what was really effective. I spent a lot of time in a couple of martials arts (including the Bujinkan), and can say that it took time to realize what was truly effective and what was not. Channels like this are great for prospective students, because they can more easily compare what's out there. I wish they were around back in the 80's when I watched "Karate Kid" and "Blood Sport" and fully bought in to the idea that it was 100% legit and I could be the next Daniel-san! LOL! That said, I met a lot of great people during those years and it kept me in good shape! It wasn't all bad a bad experience, but I get that it could lead to a dangerous false sense of security outside of the dojo.
You did well by your friend for opening his eyes and encouraging him to take up BJJ. Also congratulations to your friend for earning his purple belt :D Friends don't let friends be duped into illegitimate martial arts, right? :)
Great story, glad they learned something useful in the end.
Awesome. Good looking out! 👌
I waist 15 years man
After doing bjj for 5 years a friend in a next city i moved, invited me to a budo class... I really love japanese culture and martial arts SO for me was like living a videogame... Then thing started yo get weird, it felt like a ego contest between them where the higher belts would take a white belt and show them the techniques but with full power... Smacking people and saying them that it was to jumpstart the danger feeling in our body... What a load of garbage, i'm from latín américa, My danger feeling is quite well developed thanks You... My fav is the dragón hehe
I completed this same task during my final week of Jedi training.
I took the Sakki Test 3 times and it is ENTIRELY reliant on your reflexes. You hear the stick going through the air, you hear the person breathing out sometimes, and then you react.
There is no magic but it's a fun test to try your reflexes 🙇
- George Dillman is my favorite mythical creature
This kinda thing was fostered in the 80s and 90s when martial arts still had a lot of mystique to them. It's a cool concept, the idea that you can tune your senses so finely that you can detect a swing and move out of the way. But even if you could do that you'd still almost have to read the sword guys mind to be able to physically move away in time.
I met a few of these clowns at a conference. One was a 10th Dan and told me he paid $20k for his testing fee. This was 20 some years ago so who knows what it cost now. Having 15 ranks of black belt is very lucrative. We joke about it but Hatsumi is laughing all the way to the bank. He is a very wealthy man taking money from fools.
Solid breakdown. I remember explaining this to a friend of mine in highschool. He didnt believe me until I just did it to him. Then we talked about how our favorite mythical creature is the kolowa
Can’t wait for the documentary. Hope you were able to include MP USA in Ogden in it. Griffin
You definitely watch until the end. You rock and are truly appreciated
Cmon, just leave Utah alone, man
@@odinmeacham2119 I love Utah! Lived here my whole life. I drive past that place almost every day. My favorite sign they had was “learn real Jedi Powers!”…..😂
I tried this move on my girlfriend in bed once.
How did it go? contemplating the same. Any negative outcomes or things I need to look out for?
@@MichalLempicki he didn’t say “ex-girlfriend” so my outlook is good on this one. 🤣
@@jeremygaudette1198 yeah.... lol. Good point
Lol
Let me guess she felt your killing intent ayyyy
Actually, it appears that he doesn't just raise his body but nudges him with his left foot prior to "striking". Watch it again and pay attention to the movement of his left leg prior to the strike. Totally cued him.
Currently a BJJ brown belt and coach, and did the sakki test several times (successfully and not) back before I fully realized I was doing a fake martial art. They don't give it to you until you're already super indoctrinated. By 5th degree black belt you're already invested, so there's more pressure to just go with the sakki test even if you suspect it's BS. I love this video. Thanks for all the work you do. And I love that the internet and youtube has allowed to see such an obvious difference between what makes a sakki test pass or fail. It always felt like something within the 5 senses was going on and being able to see it on video really helps.
Appreciate that and thank you. I’m working on getting to 100k followers. Are you currently subscribed? If not it would be appreciated
@@McDojoLife Long time subscriber. Just don't comment often. I always hit that like button too.
@@WhtMike2006 appreciate that. I’ve been working on the growth of the page and it’s a slow climb lol
So much invested in it by that time that people are afraid to walk away for fear that it's all been a waste, ig.
So I used to be heavily involved in the Bujinkan back in the 90's and early 2000's. I successfully did the Godan test in Japan (and oddly enough I found it on RUclips recently! LOL). Everyone I talked to said something different about it. Personally I felt and heard nothing that I can tangibly describe. I just didn't realize I was rolling until mid-way through the roll. I looked up and Hatsumi Sensei gave me an approving nod and an "OK!". I have heard in Bujinkan circles that this test was designed to weed-out undesirable potential instructors. Godan is the rank that is required to have your own dojo (at least it was when I was practicing). Over the years there were problems with practitioners opening their own "Ninja" dojos, changing the art, and profiting off of it heavily (videos, study-at-home courses, etc). Many people from many countries show up in Japan to train and it is hard to vet them when they say they have trained under a certain person, or that they are a certain rank. Perhaps students who show up in Japan and have somewhat dubious references, are failed intentionally to prevent them from opening a a school and claiming affiliation to the Bujinkan. I am not saying this possibility is fact, or even necessarily my personal opinion. I am just suggesting it as a potential possibility in some cases. I knew many instructors in the Bujinkan that absolutely believe in the idea of sensing the killer intention in the test. I can only really speak from my personal experience with this test. I understand the skepticism. I enjoy your videos! Keep making them!
Fool's are born every f***ing day. Some of them and up in this guy's "dojo."
You flinched at the right time. It's just chance.
@Stacey Angela "There's no such thing as chance or luck" , are you serious? Do you not understand every time you roll a set of dice it is chance ? Or do you believe a magic power controls the outcome of every throw?
@Stacey Angela yes, we use words to describe things we observe. Things and concepts. You also have a problem with words and the need to make up more words as we observe new things ?
@Stacey Angela You never answered my question about rolling dice. Is it a chance (1 in 6 ) that you will roll a certain number or do you believe something is controlling the outcome ?
Really looking forward to the documentary, I hope we get a release date soon! Fresno Nightcrawler.
What's the Fresno Nightcrawler? Born in Fresno, and have never heard of it.
@@tomjjackson21 it's a nightcrawler, that was born in Fresno, just like you 🤣
In the early 90s, I did this with a few fellow junior instructors because we saw it done and wanted to try it. For me as the uke, I basically estimated how long it would take the tori to lift the Shinai and cut. I still got hit almost every time. When I did get my head out of the way, my hip or leg was hit. There are markers you can hear of feel as you mentioned. I would hear their gi, slight movement of the foot or the air as the Shinai went up. Lol. I never did it again but of course I had to try it.
Love your style and what your doing in exposing bulls**t. Keep up the much needed good work!
Anybody with older siblings knows it's possible to feel ominous intent! The Sasquatch.
I'm gonna take their side on this one. I feel like if someone wants to kick your ass you can usually tell. Now can you test this ability... maybe.
So purple hair is reserved for Grand Master...funk? Lol. My favorite mystical creature is Cthulu🐙
Actually dying purple hair is a trend among old Japanese people. It may looks weird from Western perspective
The colour has a reason for it. Spiritual reasons i think.
Why stop at 15? Why not go up to 25th degree black belt? 🤔
Aloha good sir. I just wanted to thank you. I've been a practitioner of the martial arts all of my life. I hold black belts in a couple of different arts and one of those happens to be a 5th Dan in bunjinkan ninjutsu. Now before you think that I'm gonna try to argue for the Bunjinkan, I actually want to agree with you. The test is subject to the person giving the test if you pass or fail. And I applaud you on bringing this to light, I am no longer associated with the organization for these very reasons. So mahalo brother, thanks for keeping the martial arts legit.
My mystery creature is "Näcken". It's a creature in nordic mythology which could be translate to "The naked" or "Naked man" basically
I’m so glad I did Krav Maga instead of Bougie-Kan. Force chokes and lightning is waaay better than spidey senses. My pal Bigfoot agrees.
A man of culture I see.
Always with the great editing my dude. Only a minute in the video and burst out laughing and now there's coffee everywhere. Love the content , keep it up!
I was part of a coercive martial arts Cult, me and some friends that were able to quit are still being harassed by the main teacher and some of his students. Anywhere I can submit that story? My favorite Mystical creature is the legendary Esquilax the horse with the head of a rabbit and the body of a rabbit.
Send me an email. Mcdojos@gmail.com
Wtf? Martial arts cult stalkers? Please submit your story. We all want to hear it! :)
@@WatchMysh It's a long-ass story. I sent Rob an email with part 1 of it, LOL. I left the cult-like a year ago and the guy is still insulting me and my current teacher on fb.
@@erickronin1330 Lol okay. Thanks for sharing! I'm thrilled. :D
I’ve actually seen these guys on TV, where one of them laid claim to a twenty-something degree black belt.
The thing that puzzles me is the students probably believe if this was going to happen in real life that they would feel something and move out of the way... so the fact that they won't let outsiders do it to them proves this is utter BS. Great video!!!!
-Dragon
you call yourself dragon in a youtube comment. everything you've ever said in your entire life is invalid.
The go Dan test is simply anyway for hatsumi to keep who he wants down at junior black belt ranks.
I wouldn't mind the bujinkan as long as the instructor's are at least honest, but I prefer to learn BJJ Judo and Jūjutsu, also my favorite mythical creature is Tengu 😄.
Thank you for sharing 😊.
It seems to be more of a political issue. Those who want him to pass the test, he makes it softer and even seems to stop a little. Those who don't do it quickly.
I trained in Bujinkan, took the sakki test, passed it, whatever. I will say that in the past when I used to train there have been several occasions where friends and other students attacked me when I wasn't looking. I've even avoided two different dogs that attacked me from behind I moved and didn't get hit.
I don't think it's magic. I think most people just aren't in tune with what's really going on around them.
Who cares what you call it? If it gives you the sensitivity and muscle memory to move out of an attack's way and keeps you alive, you can call it magical unicorn rainbow power for all I care.
I believe the big problem in the Bujinkan is lack of quality control. I have met some truly scary and dangerous people in the art. I've also met a lot more people in it that couldn't defend against a wet pool noodle. When 80% of the students are crap and gain belts just for showing up, of course the art gets a bad rep, and rightfully so. If people were uniformly held to strict standards and curriculum, the art would have a much better reputation
Chupocabra!
This, 100% this. The art itself is pretty fine but what some instructors only care about is money.
Yeah dude I grew up getting into a lot of street fights as a kid eventually got into boxing and when I started taking ninjutsu I met plenty of people who had been training for years ago wouldn't last a minute in a fight with me. But the Instructor ed was one of the scariest people I've met in my life despite being five foot five and looking like a mole man. I've tried every submission move imaginable on him from full arm bars on the ground completely set, rear naked chokes, full mount, and he would always easily break out and put me in a helpless position but the craziest thing was he gave me two wooden knives and he has a little rope while he was blindfolded showing off a practical application of a technique we were practicing. I asked him how he wanted me to come at him and he said " for this just do your best to hit me" I waited for a couple seconds and fucking tried my hardest to hit him and in an instant I was on the ground with my hands wrapped up holding the wooden knives to my own throat. That being said of the 15 other people I trained with I believe only one of the guys in the class besides Ed was likely even remotely competent in a fight despite many of them being close to black belts. I think like any martial art there are valuable tools and it has weaknesses. I've been in fights since training and the only time I ever really used any of it was when somebody tried to grab and throw me. Either way even if it's a trick, someone being able to defend themselves against a weapon while blind folded is certainly not BS but I imagine for every practitioner that can do that there's probably 40 that can't so for those other 40 people they'd probably be better off doing BJJ
I attended a few classes a few years ago we had one attacker to defend against, when a second attacker came in I was told this was “divine inspiration” to defend from multiple attacks, needless to say I never went back. Pegasus
Thanks for your videos brudda, I love them
Sometimes we can feel our efforts are futile and pointless but I promise you man, this suicidal combat vet appreciates the small things like these videos being an outlet.
My favorite mythical creature has gotta be the leviathan, or maybe kraken, seeing as how I was a sailor... also, funny enough my parents dog is named Cooper and we call him "the cooperchabra" cuz he's a fucking monster lol
Man thank you so much for the support. This
Message means a lot. I’m glad the page is a good outlet and it can help.
Awesome job man. Really looking forward to the documentary. Yeti
Love the new production value addsAlso, my mythical creature is Falcor.
If you notice, before he strikes, he lifts his heels off the mat. I'm sure that there's a slight change in the floor when he does that which you are suppose to "sense". Otherwise the extra movement in the strike makes no sense and no swordsman would strike like that without unique circumstances. Yeah, that's gotta be it. I've seen Hatsumi Sensei do it on video and I believe his abilities. Ninjutsu is based, in part, on trickery so there has to be some sort of "trick" to doing this...and I think it's that change in floor pressure.
The purple hair dye has clearly affected Hatsumi's brain (in a bad way).
Folks who were involved in MA in the early 80s (like me. Was RARE then.) remember Hatsumi and his more well known students of the time.
Allowing one's self to get whacked in the head with a not is NOT good MA!
I trained in Togakure Ryu Ninpo for a couple years in the late 80s. I have BBs in LEGIT MAs, though!
Hah...chill out about the purple hair dye...I did a lot of that back in the day. I'm not saying it didn't hurt my head...just saying I train BJJ and not magic so not all dye ruins people from real arts. Or something. So maybe it's not all just about the dye. ;-)
I know fairies that practice better martial arts than this bs. Great vid as always.
Was wondering when you upload again, great breakdown and highly entertaining to see you " interview" this guy, my favorite mystical creature is the European dragon, legit
I understand that this is only my opinion; however, I really like what you are doing for the martial arts community. I hope you keep going strong for decades to come.
Pegasus!!!
Keep martial arts, and your videos, legit 🤙.
You’re appreciated for watching until the end
I teach karate in a Bushinkan dojo...I trained Bushinkan here in Brasil in that dojo, but when I arrived I was already an experienced karate, judo and jiu-jitsu fighter. They did everything for me not to take early belt exams... I would never be able to take a first dan exam, because of sabotage.
I'm a Hachidan in Bujinkan, and I took the test. It's not metaphysical, it's not a "six" sense. It's simply using your senses (hearing mostly) and understanding of the timing of an attack. For me I "felt" my spine tighten and an alarm went off to get out of the way. Upon reflection, I realized that I heard the grip tighten on the fukuro shinai as Noguchi raised the sword before swinging down. My "feeling" was simply a reaction to that. Think more like dancing with the test giver leading. A good explanation for it is in the book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell, who describes it as "thin slicing". Yes, if the teacher wants you to fail, they will do what they can to make you fail (as you pointed out in the video). If the test administrator gives a swing full of "intention" , it's easier to tell when it's coming (it's telegraphed a bit more). Not sure what dojo you visited, but that's BS you can't take the test, and can't give the test. If you pass, you don't get to be a Godan though. The concept of Sakki is not unique to Bujinkan either, it's in quite a few older Japanese Martial arts. Finally, it's not technically 15 Dan, it's a special designation with Judan (Kugyo Happy Biken), but people are lazy and call it that. Mark is a nice dude but maybe not the best representative of the art in these situations. Not saying I am, but a lot of practitioners end up falling down rabbit holes. Let's just say quality control is not the strong suit of Bujinkan 😉. And Tengu - just because it seems appropriate.
I site multiple sources including my own interaction. It’s being sold by a vast majority, including hatsumi as a 6th sense. 🤷🏻♂️
@@McDojoLife I'm not arguing that it isn't be being presented that way to a degree. It's a mystical explanation to a somewhat real phenomenon that's also described that way in other older Japanese arts where they believed ki was something real. There is this idea in the art of projecting Sakki, hiding Sakki and sensing Sakki. More interesting question is if Hatsumi Sensei believes in it or not. Either way, you're welcome to come swing a stick at our head if you're in the neighborhood. What school did you end up visiting?
@@Todaidojo what’s the neighborhood. The facility we visited didn’t allow us to do the test 🤷🏻♂️
@@McDojoLife Moorpark, Ventura County, California. What school did you visit?
@@Todaidojo can’t tell you that yet until the documentary comes out :) it was a 15th degree blackbelt though 😁
Next time I’m out that way I will be happy to stand behind you and administer the sakki test of any participants willing :)
I watch your clip and love them I'm from México and I appreciate what your doing helping people to keep the marcial arte legit. You algo make me laugh a lot, thanks bro. My mithical creature will be the ancient gigants
I’ve trained in the Buninkan. Got to 1st Dan. Was good for fitness and discipline but I am in no way a believer when it comes to ‘evil intentions’ or mystical powers. All that is is a load of bollocks! Oh, and I’d say my favourite mystical creature is the Manticore…
I think it depends highly on the dojo how much of the mystical stuff you get.
We try to cut it out as far as possible and if we address it, we do it with a look on "how did they think back then" or what could the real intend be, if you take the abracadabra away.
After all it comes down to timing, angle and distance, which are the basics of every martial arts.
@@MrShadeofMyself True enough. The dojo I trained at was very far away from the mystical shit and focussed more on the movement and the techniques. It was fun to train and learn what my body was capable of.
If I turned up to class one day and I got informed I was going to test my ‘awareness’ I may have just laughed in my sensei’s face!
@@darrenwright9619 we actually try the godan test from time to time and it is good to get the people focused in the beginning of the training but the whole intend with the "intention" stuff is a bit messi in the explanation.
There are other ways to test or teach awareness, we do small game like exercises to teach the people to pay attention on where they stand, what others have in their hands and stuff.
The things which are, in my eyes the core essence of self defence: how not to get into trouble in the first place.
But this does not need Chi/Magic/whatever in it to explain it.
What's, *"Bollocks?"*
@@tomjjackson21 means bullshit
Great segment and high production value. Nice work!! Unicorns baby!!
I spent ten years in the Bujinkan and got to 4th dan, so I can't speak to what taking the godan test is like. But during my time in the Bujinkan I spent a lot of time with different people in nearly every part of the organization and I have a few observations. One, yes there is a kind of cult mentality among a lot of them, and they treat the godan test like some kind of Holy Grail of achievement. As best I can tell, it really is just a reflex test. Like I said, I've never done it formally, but I've done it informally. Sometimes I got hit, and sometimes I didn't. There is also a TON of brown-nosing and trying to ingratiate yourself to the high level Japanese teachers. The honbu dojo was basically a circus of showboating non-Japanese trying to look good and score points with the high-ranking Japanese teachers. It's the show-boaters and brown-nosers who make the godan into some kind of sixth sense mystical thing. Unfortunately, this kind of stuff makes up the majority of the Bujinkan. And a lot of otherwise well-meaning and sincere people get taken in with this fiasco and wind up learning a bunch of bull crap. Another unfortunate thing is that there is actually a wealth of awesome koryu bujutsu that could be learned in the Bujinkan, and I fortunately got to learn a little of it. But it took me years of wading through a bunch of bull crap before I finally found it. The reason why is because the traditional Japanese method of transmission of a discipline, Taiden, is done between a master and a disciple. Not unlike an apprentice who works with a master craftsman. The master won't show his craft, something he has worked his entire life to master, to just anybody. The master is always looking for the disciple, the one who can truly absorb and preserve the art. That's how the art survives. But if all you have to choose from at the honbu dojo is a bunch of gaijin who are only interested in gaining rank and starting their own schools and teaching whatever they want to under the banner of "Ninjutsu", then if you're one of the Japanese sensei and you see this, then you play your cards close to your chest. You smile, happily take their money, and give them exactly what they came to get, a "mystical experience". So yeah, Hatsumi sensei sees all this and permits it. Whether or not he encourages it by permitting it is up for debate, but if you're going to judge him at least try to learn a little Japanese perspective before you do so. But still, I left. I think for me, it just ran its course. I had gotten out of it what I wanted. I won't say it was a complete waste of time because I did finally find some authentic koryu bujutsu (actual Gyokko ryu and Koto ryu kihon gata and Kukishinden ryu bojutsu and kenjutsu). And I made some awesome friendships in the discovery, especially my senpai who was gracious enough to share what he was learning from his master. The time I spent training with him and talking and sharing experiences with him I wouldn't trade for the world.
Sorry for the long post. My favorite mystical animal is Jormungandr, the ultimate ouroboros. Amitoufo.
Jason Parker, Hey read your post. Loved your breakdown of your journey. I for one found it a very good insight, so I think you for sharing with us. Health & Happiness to you sir.
Should’ve been 15 Ashida Kims!
I "studied" Genbukhan Ninjutsu when I was in high school but I figured out pretty quick that I couldn't do it and also wrestle on my high school team, so I left the phony baloney mcdojo crap behind. Im glad I did, what I learned on the wrestling mat has been much more useful in self defense. Naturally! 😄
I'm more excited about this documentary than I have been about any movie Hollywood has released. As a guy who grew up on 80s & 90s martial arts movies and magazines, and who saw the peak of martial arts nonsense first hand (I was a true believer as a kid), I greatly appreciate all that you do to keep the martial arts legit.
And for the record, Bigfoot is my homeboy.
That was an interesting version of your usual combination of sad brainwashing with Three Stooges-style comedy footage. Anyway, I appreciate how you break down how these con-artists monetize their BS. I've found it a helpful frame of reference for thinking about deception of consumers in general. Also, my favorite mythical creature is the Fenris Wolf or the Golem.
As always, I love how you say, "You wanna do this? Fine! Just don't dupe other people..."
Another great vid! 👍
Oh yeah, Nekos hehe
That is interesting about bujinkan! Thank you for your work in keeping martial arts legit!
I can’t think of a fantasy animal, so I’m going to say peregrine falcons, because when the dive on prey they punch it instead of grabbing it.
In honor of Napoleon Dynamite ... the almighty LIGER!!!
My favourite mystical creature is Stevan Segals hairline
This one made me laugh for real 😂
I have Mastered this Skill through years of focused training.
From age 5, my Mother would smack me on the head with her flip flop. By age 25, I developed the Skill to dodge every flip flop smack, including her flying flip flop attack. But I still Bow to her as my Sensei...
I spent near 10 years in this martial art, went to Japan twice and recieved my black belt 1st Dan there. Trained in the Hombu dojo and my disappointement was bigger than my expectations. The Hombu dojo was just full of occidental people, I saw poor not realistical techniques, and the worst thing happened was when we were training with bokken (wood swords), mine accidentaly hitted Hatsumi's sensei back on the head, and he just kept walking like nothing happened and nobody saw it. Saw the Sakki test live with that flashy and noisy (yes noisy when it traveled trough the air) stick. I asked myself the point of doing a test with a stick that made so much noise and that you hear it coming. I stopped training in Bujinkan months later after this thing, it was too much for me. OK, I learned some nice things that made me feel like a warrior, but after near 20 years I came to BJJ, started all over, discovered what really was to be beated and discovered that it has NOTHING to do with that ninja LARP. I really hope some pratictionners will open their eyes also. Stop lying to yourselves!
I have trained “Ninjutsu” under a responsible instructor. What they call Ninjutsu is basically a combination of Japanese Jujitsu, Judo, Karate and Aikido. My instructor the first moment he saw me throwing punches very badly he stopped teaching me all the fancy locks and throw downs and focused on teaching me how to box properly and we worked with pads, after that we worked on some basic ground techniques and grappling then once we had the boxing and grappling fixed we started with the traditional locks and throw downs. He never encouraged me to disarm a person unless I had to fight for my life and to be honest, when I was 17 years old a hooligan who was way older than me, assaulted me and what I learnt saved my life.
I stopped training after 5 years of practicing with him then I trained Krav Maga/Kapap under another very realistic and responsible instructor who also showed us some Sambo techniques and now I am training Kickboxing in my spare time.
All these combination of techniques helped me so it is not always about the martial art itself, it is about who is teaching you always!
The only way to actually learn ninjutsu is going back in time and be a part of Shinobi clan in ancient Japan.
The test has nothing to do with the rank debacle. The Roemke guy you featured supposedly got his rank through an online program. Rank in the organization is out of control but that is more a consequence of size and ¥.
Within your video there was an image of a woman in pink, she was actually a tv reporter who tried the test so your belief that only students can take it is incorrect. Is it rigged? Try it for yourself. Do it with someone you know and then exchange roles and report back your results.
Or you can measure the fastest possible reaction time to sound, and calculate whether that is how the taker knows when to move. Or have some controls to ensure the proctor is not moving their body and starting from a static position and cutting straight down all the way to the floor. There are much better examples of proper sakki tests but the recent ones leave a lot to be desired for those who understand the test and it’s value.
Instead of an obnoxious opinion with your own sophomoric jabs at the organization, though you’re entitled to both, how about some researched facts that can prove you’re correct? It might take more time than watching some videos and using their footage, but it would at least make the endeavor worthwhile.
The test is not a representation of the fighting techniques of the arts so your fear of it being used to take advantage of people is misplaced. The test is of sensitivity to an opponent’s intent, and people have their own experiences with this kind of thing on the daily. I don’t think of it as ESP or a sixth sense, and the test traditionally just marked a different stage in one’s practice of the art. It has become an embarrassment more of how the test has been administered so poorly in recent years, and also because the people taking the test have not even mastered the basic curriculum found in the many schools that make up the Bujinkan.
Are there Poor examples of the test that were still considered a pass? Yes, but that does not mean that the test itself is a fraud or impossible.
Until you see a properly administered test in person, you will remain ignorant of what it really is, but you’re probably only interested as far as the views and subscriptions you can get off mocking it so enjoy.
Some of the only videos I watch to the end. Vampire!
I really should watch till the end before commenting.🤪
Favourite mythical creature has to be the Dog Man of Greenock.
My favourite mythical creature is the snail.............
Can't wait for the documentary man! So long since I got involved in the kickstarter, very excited to see it when its ready.
Wendigo.
If you were apart of the campaign head over to mcdojolifedoc in Instagram and send a direct message so I can let you into the behind the scenes page and you can check out the trailer
@@McDojoLife I usually avoid Instagram but I'll do that. Thanks for the heads up.
My understanding is that Hatsumi picks and chooses who he whacks. If he wants you to pass he'll let you move. If he doesn't want you to pass... *whack*
Great vid, love the McDojo stuff! can't go wrong with the 'squatch.
Great as always. Can't wait for the doc.
Loch Ness monster
Homey the Clown was only funny when Tommy Davidson did his lip-quivering, head shaking crying faces after Homey would smack him.
It's like Whack-a-mole but with people. The dojo master is having a lovely time. He's enjoying himself tremendously
Great video as always
Dragon
Thank you for the support
I did not belive in this test. But when we did it with eyes and ears covered, that made me question is I was wrong. I took the test in Japan. Made it on the first attempt. Not all do. I think it was because I picky reacted, I was not nervous because I was supposed to do it a coke if days before (and was shit nervous) and then lost the nervousness.
The chemist Niels Bohr did a lot of cowboy dueling with his students. The reacting party won more than the one that started to draw the weapon. This is because conscious actions takes longer in the brain to process.
So with the relaxation, your nervous system acts and use subconscious processes. Sort of reflexes.
I think this is the real training. To stay cool when people attack you and just move. Like all martial arts, not all martial artists are perfect. Like myself. I am lazy. But at least I can swing weapons at the BJJ people that crawl on the floor but have no doubt they will kill me if I let them come close 🤣
I like that you visited the Dojos. Did you actually fight anyone in Bujinkan?
My favorite fantasy animal is dragons😉
Happy to perform this test on you to prove it’s nonsense 🤷🏻♂️
@@McDojoLifehello, I have been watching your videos for about a year and I think your videos are incredibly valuable for teaching what does and does not work. I sorted this video by new and noticed you offered each person defending the test to try it in person with you. I know it’s often you invite people to pressure test their beliefs but how often do people take you up on the offer? I know you are busy so I would appreciate the reply. Also, my creature is the Minotaur lol
@@Among13504 thank you for the support. It’s rare they ever take me up but I did have a guy on a video called “McDojo Breakdown: Art to Miss” take me up. Definitely check it out and let me know what you think
@@McDojoLife Thanks for the recomendation. I'll watch it after my finals. Btw, I saw you posted about the NUCA MMA event last Sunday on your story. I'm a Pitt student in the MMA club and I just wanna say thanks for supporting the event. I've watched all my friends train so hard for this event and they all loved the opportunity to fight. Thanks for giving us the publicity and we hope you come to the next event we have in febuary. Thanks for supporting the collegiate martial arts!
The documentary is gonna be epic! 🐉
This actually is a real test to see if you can feel the impact coming towards you and if you are able to avoid it
Did you watch the video before commenting?
@@McDojoLife no what does that have to do with anything? I dont understand what you are confused with. All I did was comment saying I've heard of it before and understand why they do it. I would have commented the exact same thing if I watched 1st or not
Even if you believe in projection of Sakki (translated in my Lone Wolf & Cub mangas as 'bloodlust'), how could you do it in a training setting using a floppy shinai? Unless you were using a real weapon with intent to kill, there would be no sakki to detect. Jabberwock.
Because with a padded sword only a highly trained individual will be able to project it
I'm looking forward to your documentary sure it'll be both eye opening and probably hilarious! Also Dragon 🐉
You debunked it perfectly. As usual the bujinkan takes something real, like training in developing awareness, and turns it into stage play.
-The undead
Chimera. Another good one, keep it up amigo!
If I had to hazard a guess, I would say that it is the person administering the test that actually decides if you pass. They can see you tense up, move etcetra and tailor their swing to either hit or allow you to 'dodge'. It is kinda funny because this is the exact opposite of what the test claims to detect. If they truely intend to hit you, then you really have no chance; if they do not intend to hit you, you are able to dodge, but what exactly did you sense?
I was really into Bujinkan when I just started out my martial arts journey. Ngl it was Rob who helpede open my eyes against what McDojos to look out for. Cheers for ya man. That being said, my fav mystical creature is Ashida "the Bullet Catcher" Kim
FFS... When I did koryu jujitsu we would practice someone sneaking behind you and strangling you while you sit in seiza, which kind of helps you learn about listening and developing feeling (and you can argue how useful this is too), and frankly why not actually do that? Why is this guy wacking people with a kendo shinai? What does this teach? This isn't even close to reality.
So by their own definition its a failed test. What if someone who doesnt have that killer aura and just drops the sword on their head so they wont be able spidy sense it and die.
you can also see that for the model apprentice he slows down the strike, he doesn't go full swing
Thanks for another great report. Looking forward to the documentary. Jackalope!
0:56: what is the guy using to hit? It is something soft, you can see it bending when hits the ground. Looks like a fabric snake we use in the windows in winter. By the way, do window snakes count as mythical creatures? Unicorns make me puke. 😉
As a Bujinkan practitioner, I have to be honest. The Sakki test and extra belt ranks after 5th need to be tossed out and remembered as a mistake. The Bujinkan has long since become bogged down with a culture that looks down on pressure testing and obsesses over it's own politics. I stay because there is value in it if you're not looking to fulfill some ninja fantasy and you're willing to cross train and get your nose bloodied. The Akban organization is what the Bujinkan should have become. This video needed to be made
Homey the Clown was the best skit on In Living Color
Love your content brother keep it up. Can't go wrong with a Dragon
11:16 "Keep the martial arts Legit." Best quote ever.
Cant wait for the documentary.
Your fan,
Blue-eyes White Dragon
Lovin the Sakki fail vids!!!! Not seen these before!! Oh the funnies...
The linguistic terror of them calling 11th black belt ”jūshodan” meaning ”Ten First Level”
Great work uncovering these idiots! -Battlecat from he-man
11:16 how did you come up with the hand sign when you say, "Keep the martial arts legit?" Just curious
It’s a Sakka. A jiujitsu habit I guess lol
@@McDojoLife I'm going to start doing that.
I'm an 18th degree black belt, I can sense when someone in the next room is going to fart.
haha thats funny, ive always thought this test was about hearing.. thanks for the vid man! you didnt tell me till the end.. umm idk Falcor is mythical right?
Does "Magical Martial Arts Master" count as a mythical creature? If so then it's my favorite
As a 2nd degree black belt in Budo taijutsu
Thank you for believing we're a cult and that our martial art is "fake" I'm sure Rob did his homework 😆 when he researched this
Happy to chat about it anytime live :) I go live often on Instagram and would love for you to join :)
@McDojoLife why? You debunked yourself on the part where the person that's kneeling can simply (dodge) the blade because they can "hear"...ok! then how come a lot of the students got hit in your video? Your strawman was "they were dumb or 💰" lol 😆 which is it? Could they hear or not? Especially when their are clips of Sensei hatsumi over extending himself
Good example at 4:48 notice sensei was calm and subtle in his cut and Marks wasn't ok I hear ya but then fast forward to 6:12 sensei literally did the same if not more exaggerated cut and still connected so??? Sounds like you were winging it there, bud
@@jon82489 😂 I’m happy to perform this on you. Let me know when works for you :)
Always amazing when y’all prove my point for me when you aren’t even willing to talk about it in a live setting or pressure test the nonsense :)
You might want to actually hear what I said in the video. Clearly stated he picks and chooses who passes and fails. Did you miss that part?
@McDojoLife how? How does he pick and choose? Like serious how? And even if he does "pick and choose," you said earlier they can hear for subtle noises that can give it away? So which is it?
Are they in on it? Can they hear it coming, or are they larping?
I'm glad to perform the saki test with you and vice versa with a padded sword
Not afraid, after all, it's just two people delivering and receiving the cut it's not that hard
@@jon82489 sweet. Let’s make it happen. I will film as well. Shoot me a message on IG so we can set up times and dates. Also, up to join me live to discuss?
That test makes sense if you know exactly why they're doing it. Yeah, it's testing your ability to react to danger or "sense the ominous intent" as it was put, but it also tests your ability to control yourself, relax, and maintain composure and calmness in a situation where you know you're going to be hurt. It seems that if one can keep their sh*t together and remain calm in that situation, they pass that test and those that can't, even if they randomly manage to guess a totally random cut, still usually get hit on their backs or legs or something. I've watched a few of these in real life, on RUclips, and other platforms, and the way the cut is made is totally random, no preset time intervals, the guy sitting the test is always far enough away that the tester cant touch him with his foot unnoticeably, and you cant feel anything through the floor either. So, idk, man, there's something to it, but certainly not magic or whatever. Your reflexes seem to play a part too, but having good reflexes is useless if you're too freaked out to let them happen.
Thanks for your tireless work uncovering BS in the martial arts. Like your humor. Keep it up!
Favourite mystical creature are the scandinavian trolls