Rankings for those who want a general baseline, keep in mind that this isn't your Dio/Elite and that results will vary: 2Fast: 10.8 whp and 4.8 ft⋅lb C16: 10.3 whp and 5.1 ft⋅lb Arrow: 9.9 whp and 5.8 ft⋅lb Re-welded and modified PG Long: 10.2 whp and 4.9 ft⋅lb (the torque is why it's lower on the list) N4S: 9.7 whp and 4.7 ft⋅lb Both scorpions: 9.6 whp and 4.6 ft⋅lb Normal PG Long: 8.4 whp and 4.3 ft⋅lb PG Short: 7/9 whp and 4.1 ft⋅lb (Timestamp for the sound summary is at 34:13)
the guy u got the pipes from was not Derrick. His name is Darin lol. He's the #1 builder in Hawaii and he holds records for the fastest bikes in Hawaii. Owner of N4S motorwerx
Whats the details on that PG flipcone? Want something for a NB50 Elite, will have to get it modified it to fit anyway unless i can find something bolt-on.
Was never really into scooter racing till I started watching your videos. I'd really like to do a yz85/125 swapped Yamaha razz. Or a elite or dio with a cr80/125 swap.
we don't have any jogs currently to do videos on but prebug stuff will be similar on motors but not exact call the shop for any assistance on parts we have a ton of jog stuff
Dyno da vastro on a stroker to bring out the real peak power out of it . its a hammah pipe. Only baught it cuz u talked me into it cuz i baffle rattled my big nut scorpion lol crashed my bike vastro pipe is still perfectly fine cheee heee try it try it lol Thanks b u the man bro
yes/no Most zuma minarelli bores made for longevity don't do much better. They all sorta top out between 9 and 12hp. Unless you pour money into long-term-unstable race grade setups, even zumas don't do better unless you bore out the case to 90cc or double up to 180. The only real "Standard" platform to go off of for more power, is AM6 thats base 50cc power can start at 13hp. The issue with AM6 is dealing with a gearbox vs a CVT. So how much of that power you can actually make use of is dependent on your skill of staying in a narrow power band that spans 6 gears to 65mph. Optimally people bypass the gearbox, and shove a custom CVT in. Which, is less efficient at getting power to the wheel, but worth it since it's always getting the full power. AM6 is a better platform overall, aside from shoe-horning in a CVT, the power poltential is much higher, and aftermarket much larger.
Rankings for those who want a general baseline, keep in mind that this isn't your Dio/Elite and that results will vary:
2Fast: 10.8 whp and 4.8 ft⋅lb
C16: 10.3 whp and 5.1 ft⋅lb
Arrow: 9.9 whp and 5.8 ft⋅lb
Re-welded and modified PG Long: 10.2 whp and 4.9 ft⋅lb (the torque is why it's lower on the list)
N4S: 9.7 whp and 4.7 ft⋅lb
Both scorpions: 9.6 whp and 4.6 ft⋅lb
Normal PG Long: 8.4 whp and 4.3 ft⋅lb
PG Short: 7/9 whp and 4.1 ft⋅lb
(Timestamp for the sound summary is at 34:13)
thanks for doing that
Thanks for doing the side-by-side comparison of the pipes. The C16 looks like the pipe for me. I want a screamer.
the guy u got the pipes from was not Derrick. His name is Darin lol. He's the #1 builder in Hawaii and he holds records for the fastest bikes in Hawaii. Owner of N4S motorwerx
Next up minarelli pipe test
sorry
Any notes on weights used for each?
Sean C. I am wondering as well...
wont transfer to other builds so doesnt matter all comes to your bike and your build your size and your riding style
i have a twh blue pipe ported block ported bore on elite af16, what pipe should i run because its to much airflow for the pipe
I didn't see the scorpion
keola rivers maybe you fast forwarded past it. We ran them both
Whats the details on that PG flipcone? Want something for a NB50 Elite, will have to get it modified it to fit anyway unless i can find something bolt-on.
avoid the pg not the greatest theres others out there that are better
where did you guys cut the pipe on the pg and how did you guys flipped it?
Was never really into scooter racing till I started watching your videos. I'd really like to do a yz85/125 swapped Yamaha razz. Or a elite or dio with a cr80/125 swap.
Go for it!
You said you was going to run it tomorrow in the video prob forgot to download lol
keola rivers very possible :)
I wonder how a yms v8 28mm pipe would go
Was real interesting can you do one for 2 stroke jog would like to know the difference
we don't have any jogs currently to do videos on but prebug stuff will be similar on motors but not exact call the shop for any assistance on parts we have a ton of jog stuff
When swapping the exhaust do You need to have some kind of a gasket between cylinder and the exhaust??
yes
don't you have a single ratio dyno pulley setup?
we have a dynamometer.....
So what pipe is the best one ?
all depends on your build
What about the polini race pipe ?
jeff hamilton I only tested pipes on hand and I don’t have any polinis left. It would likely be there with the c16 and the 2fast
@@Scooterswapshop okay no problem I purchased one about a year ago I haven't used it yet just wondering what the numbers were
@@Scooterswapshop been waiting for same thing lol cuting up ur sss polini pipes for twin looms bad ass
@@jeffhamilton2942 got two for my twin dio looks bad ass
Lmk if u wanna get rid of it bro
@@jeffhamilton2942
Numbers will be different based on cilynder and intake on the scooter
what is your transmission setup ?
which bike?
Is there anyway I could contact you I have some questions
You can call the shop or email us if you have questions about our products
Dyno da vastro on a stroker to bring out the real peak power out of it . its a hammah pipe. Only baught it cuz u talked me into it cuz i baffle rattled my big nut scorpion lol crashed my bike vastro pipe is still perfectly fine cheee heee try it try it lol
Thanks b u the man bro
cool
Arrow is the best pipe here 👍
RIP
Arrow is very good with average engines but no good if u want to take out the best from ur Dio
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thanks
Is this a 50cc? Why such low power? A 125cc can make around 35bhp.
It’s a dio it’s a very inefficient motor. 70cc.
I'm sorry but 35hp with those chinese cylinders is a joke
@@Scontroso666 i dont think any chinese bike can make over like 5bhp, theyre all garbage. But any decent 2 stroke 125cc makes over 30bhp stock.
Cylinder kit on this honda dio is not Chinese.. its a Polini Corsa made in Italy well-respected brand
feels like it needs more gearing,,
It’s just for dyno testing. It’s a 75mph bike
The fastest strokers in hawaii run scorpions.
we don't do big strokers
My 69cc can run faster 🤓
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hehe...
My god these engines make no power compared to most many minarelli engines I've seen 😳
yes/no
Most zuma minarelli bores made for longevity don't do much better. They all sorta top out between 9 and 12hp. Unless you pour money into long-term-unstable race grade setups, even zumas don't do better unless you bore out the case to 90cc or double up to 180. The only real "Standard" platform to go off of for more power, is AM6 thats base 50cc power can start at 13hp. The issue with AM6 is dealing with a gearbox vs a CVT. So how much of that power you can actually make use of is dependent on your skill of staying in a narrow power band that spans 6 gears to 65mph. Optimally people bypass the gearbox, and shove a custom CVT in. Which, is less efficient at getting power to the wheel, but worth it since it's always getting the full power.
AM6 is a better platform overall, aside from shoe-horning in a CVT, the power poltential is much higher, and aftermarket much larger.
right
@@Scooterswapshop I bet they're still fun to run though.
@@X7rocks they can reach Piaggio and minarelli power, u just need what to do. Check my af35 Dio ac with almost 20hp
@@Scontroso666 20? No offense but minarelli are reaching 28 to 34 hp
Can j order a pipe my friend ? Check out my RUclips video for dio. I really need a pipe
pipes in stock