I have a horse here for the wife and it charged down the driveway to the barn where i was going to feed it. I cant understand how infantry would stand against a mass cavalry charge.
3:50 Charge of Rokitna 1915. Polish uhlans serving in the Austro-Hungarian army captured two lines of Russian trenches. The success surprised everyone. Unfortunately, the Austrian infantry did not support the cavalrymen and the Russians recaptured their positions. However, despite repelling the charge, Russian troops left their positions and retreated at night.
Blimey mate. How old are you. My favourite uncle just died at 96 one of the last surviving of Hitler’s child soldiers, his father died on the Ostfront in 1943. I seem to remember being taught that the German army wrote out cavalry charges after a disastrous French one into Prussian machine guns fire in 1870.
@gertkaiser4273 if that were true they would not have still equipped uhlans with lances. The battle of Halen was the last German mass cavalry charge, August 1914. And even after this they had smaller cavalry charges. Although never again unsupported by infantry/dismounted cavalry.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Mein Großvater (geb.1896) wurde erst 1916 eingezogen. Habe erst jüngst erfahren, daß das 2. Pommersche Ulanenregiment Nr.9 am 02.08.1914 mit 400 Reitern in Demmin verladen wurde. Zehn Tage später gab es bei Haelen die ersten Gefallenen. Auch 1916 hatten die Ulanen noch Lanzen. Mein Opa sprach davon, daß es nicht so einfach war- volle Karriere mit Lanze. Sein erstes Pferd (Blauschimmel) starb bei einer Attacke. Er hatte Glück. Ritt dann ein französisches Beutepferd. Als das Reginent 1917 aus Rumänien zurückkehrte wurden sie der Infanterie zugeteilt. Opa war einer der Soldaten, die die Pferde des Regiments an die Ostfront brachten. Dann ging es für ihn zurück an die Westfront. Und wieder nur Glück gehabt. War dort einmal 72h verschüttet.
The Australian charge was not part of their standing orders, they were infantry who used horses for transport. The Turks thought they would ride to a position then dismount. The charge was unexpected and a bloody courageous achievement.
Yes they WERE infantry that used horses, but in action you don't ride to dismount, you would get obliterated, so they rode as a group and be defined as cavalry OR mounted infrantry the charged on horseback and took the field. The Turks were the one's whose infatnry had panicked and not set their sights to compensate for the closing range and so shot OVER ( mostly) the heads of the Australians. A daring feat by men who came at the Turks out of the Sinai desert, although they looked a bit fresher in this than they would have been in real life.
@@AntalyaZıpkıncıları That is the thing about the Israel / Gaza/ Iran thing right now, none of them are right and the people, just the people suffer and the sufferring makes them hate the other side.
thanks , the charge of the Australian Light Horse in WW1, the charge of the Polish Cavalry at Komarowo 1920, the charge of Italian Savoia Lancers against elite Soviet Syberian Division in 1942... are exaples of the heroism long time gone..
In 1920, the First World War ended. And so you can watch the attacks of Budyonny's first cavalry army, and the bandit Makhno... but the attack of the Cossacks at the Brusilov breakthrough from the film silent Don would definitely have come here...And no offense, Italians are bad warriors.. I do not know the episode of the attack of the Savoy Lancers, especially on the "elite Siberian division". We did not have the concept of elite divisions, there was the concept of Guards.. and in this case, everything would have ended very sadly for the Italians.. But if you want to talk about the Second World War, then the raids of Dovator, Kovpak, and the Kuban Cossacks near the village of Kushchevskaya would be much more relevant here...
In today's battlefields the horse is almost defunct. A fighting horse is a six hundred kilo battering ram running at near sixty kilometres an hour, A man aboard who is fired up and armed with a razor sharp piece of steel that with one strike will need more than a bandaid..These were men who charged knowing they would probaly die , and then suprised themselves by not doing so. horse and guts.real guts.
It is a pity that the author is biased and decided to reject one of the countries that had excellent cavalry in WWI, namely Russia. A brilliant episode of a Cossacks' attack on Austrians from the classic film "And Quiet Flows The Don" would be ideal here, but no, it is now customary to deny any Russia's historical achievements, including military ones. If you are interested search "ww1:Attack of the Don Cossacks" on YT As for the Polish cavalrymen hacking down Russian infantry IN A TRENCH, this is, of course, a cheap craft for an unpretentious viewer who does not understand the realities of that war. Imagine to what level a cavalryman had to bend down from a horse to at least reach the head of an infantryman in a trench (and there is still a dump in front of the trench!) Or, alternatively, he should have had a saber two meters long. In addition, most often in positional warfare, there was at least one line of barbed wire barriers in front of trenches. That is why the enemy was always knocked out of the trenches by infantry that generously payed for it with blood.
Hombre las cargasdel Regimiento Alcantara fueron lo único salvable de toda la actuacion española en el desastre de Annual, un acto de heroísmo que fue silenciado para no poner en entredicho la actuación general de ejército español, la de sus oficiales, jefes y generales sobre todo que evidenciaron además de su ineptitud profesional su cobardía. No obstante no se puede comparar las cargas de un Regimiento de caballería contra grupos insurgentes, con las cargas de Brigadas de caballería realizadas contra líneas defensivas de ejércitos regulares, estamos hablando de otra liga.
Technically the Aussies never had cavalry. They were mounted infantry. Great clip however I'm sure there are dozens of heroic charges throughout the ages
Historically, cavalry (from the French word cavalerie, itself derived from "cheval" meaning "horse") are soldiers or warriors who fight mounted on horseback. So your alternate reality has little credit here. General Custer was cavalry...but he fought his last battle unmounted...please explain. No cavalry charge in History has made such a change in History as did the lighthorse on beersheeba and the lighhorse ensuing voctories across the middkle east. So howEver...you are a tyotally wrong dik hed!
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Still have my grandfathers emu plumes from the lighthorse in WW1. The attack on beersheba helped the formation of Israel and why we have a special relationship with them as it led to the driving out of turkey
I have my Great Grandfather's (8th Light Horse) WW1 medals along with war trinkets he collected in a Christmas tin they all got from Princess Mary and a bayonet.
Interesting that the "extra" clip of the Warhorse exercise shows the "correct" way to charge at the time, giving point, whereas the actual charge in the film has the cavalrymen cutting and slashing, rather than giving the point. the 1908 sword was a thrusting weapon and completely not designed for cutting.
Perhaps, but giving point like that is impractical in a running melee like that. It delivers a lot of energy into your first target, but, also puts your sword into them as well. What do you use to attack the second target, if your sword gets lodged into the first? Your bare hands? The thing you have to consider with blade combat is that having your weapon stuck in an enemy is a very bad thing to do. It leaves you vulnerable.
@@BenjaminPitkin do go on to the Schola Gladiatoria RUclips channel, where there is a useful talk on exactly this and how British WW1 Cavalrymen were trained to give and extract the point. The sword was designed for multi use, unlike the lance, which is pretty useless in a close-quarter melee. Interestingly, continental cavalry made far greater use of the lance and the Imperial German army armed all cavalrymen with lances, not only Uhlans. I will post a link if I find it - very interesting stuff.
the last charge is a bit silly what good is cavalry charge without a lance and Sabre to strike terror into the enemy and of course a smoke screen very handy a cavalry man going at full charge only has to hold his sabre out not wave it about at full charge it will crack ribs asunder if it makes contact
Because the Australian light horse fought as mounted infantry - they were not armed with sabres, instead they pulled out their bayonets and used them instead. They used them out of necessity.
Might seem a bit silly..but it worked. The Australian Lighthorse captured Beersheba and that can't be undisputed. They needed speed to break through the lines and get under the field gun barrage. Dismounting before the lines of Turks would have been even sillier..bordering on suicidal.So mobility was survival. Only 31 troopers were killed with 36 wounded in the action that took under an hour to complete...after two previously failed frontal attacks. They succeeded in capturing the city, the wells and some 740 German and Turk officers and troops. Once they made it into or behind the Turk trenches they wrecked havoc. They pretty much used anything in the melee from bayonets, rifle butts, stirrups and the physical mass of the horses to smash into the Turkish troops. I think the speed and the unexpected change of tactics to not dismount, and speed on was enough to strike the necessary terror. The Turkish lines at the point of the attack was one of the weaker spots and didn't have barbed wire as part of the defences.
Not quite, in Eastern Europe cavalry attacks were still effective until 1921, where the Poles effectively repelled the Russians with cavalry. But the fact is that World War I was the end of this formation. Interestingly, the last cavalry charge in the history of the world was conducted by Poles, and it was successful, during World War II, and precisely in 1945 near Bobruisk, where tanks could not cope.
@colinstafford7846 you are simply wrong. Most cavalry charges in ww1 were tactically succesful. And all cavalry charges in ww1 and ww2 took fewer casualties than equvilient infantry attacks, both succesful and unsuccessful.
@@zofian7190 ostatnią szarżą kawaleryjską był atak... amerykańskiej jednostki kawalerii! Był to oddział rozpoznawczy i działo się to w 1945 w kwietniu we Włoszech.
At the end of the war Australian quarantine laws prevented the Aussies taking their horses home. Most chose to humanely shoot them rather than have the Army sell them through the local markets.
Cavalry against any formation was suicidal... In most time periods. Cavalry is used to skirmish, flank, scout, harass, and route broken formations. Of the examples here, only the charge of the Australian Light Horse was truly successful - and the reason for this success was purely because of a ploy. The Light Horse didn't normally charge - they fought as dismounted infantry... This meant the Turks at Bathsheba held their artillery fire and waited for the dismount - a dismount that never happened. By the time the Turks opened fire it was already too late. The Light Horse were too close and "under the guns". It's not necessarily suicide, but, cavalry tactics rely on surprise and shock... It's actually the same as for most modern forms of "maneuver warfare". The idea is to have such a ferocity of attack, that you overload your opponent with problems to solve, quicker than they can solve them. This pushes forces the enemy into a state of in-action. But, relies on maintaining tempo to work. If you loose tempo, you loose initiative. If you loose initiative you loose the battle.
@@BenjaminPitkin certainly in Nap period wasnt used as you said. Cavalry in effect pins formed infantry forcing it in square which both stops an advance and makes it a nice target for artillery. In earlier wars in 18th century, some battles had more cavalry than infantry on field
The reason they used Horses in WWI was because the British were so used to fighting previous battles / Wars with Cavalry and charging the enemy. Britain's cavalry were trained to fight both on foot (with bonnets, rifles, etc) and mounted, Shock tactic of mounted charges. So they thought WWI would be the same but they didn't realise that the Germans how had machine guns and advanced technology weapons to theirs. Plus the British high-up ranks were the rich men's posts and not the men who earned it. Australia did the opposite. Promoting only the men with experience or who proved themselves.
"Soldiers! The time for sacrifice has come. Let everyone do their duty. If you don't, your mothers, your girlfriends, all the Spanish women will say that we are cowards. We are going to prove that we are not." With these phrases, pronounced, pistol in hand, by Lieutenant Colonel Fernando Primo de Rivera, it can be said that one of the most epic performances of the Spanish Cavalry begins, that of the Alcántara Regiment in the Annual retreat, on July 23, 1921. The Alcántara horsemen charged four times against the entrenched enemy, while the rest of the column managed to cross the river. Given the exhaustion of the horses, they began to fight, first at a walk and then on foot. It should be noted that, in the last charges, given the diminished forces, even the veterinary officers and the very young band students, stood up and fell alongside their companions. Almost 700 men formed the Regiment at the beginning of the day but Lieutenant Colonel Primo de Rivera, two commanders, some officers and about seventy troops survived. At the end of that day, the Alcántara Regiment ceased to exist as a Unit. Days later, Lieutenant Colonel Primo de Rivera died due to gangrene caused by the amputation of an arm after being hit by a cannon shell. For all these reasons, the process for granting the Laureate Cross of San Fernando, the highest distinction of the Spanish army, to the Alcántara Regiment was initiated. On June 1, 2012, the Council of Ministers awarded the Laureate Cross of San Fernando in its collective form to the Alcántara Hunters Regiment, 14th Cavalry, which was placed on the Standard of the RCAC Alcántara No. 10 by His Majesty King Juan Carlos I on October 1, 2012 at the Royal Palace in Madrid. It took the Spanish Government ninety-one shameful years to recognise the sacrifice of the "Héroes of Alcántara".
My Grandfather Francis Hope was in WW2 we have pictures of him on a big Gray Horse he died before I was born, his dress was like these guys I wounder what he did?
To nit-pic it wasn't a 'Cavalry' charge as such at Beersheba. because the Australian's were not exactly 'Cavalry' but mounted infantry, the unit never carried as a whole lances or sabres but rifles.
All very cool, but one thing I hate in these movies, is shown in the first example. MGs in the woods firing a little over a foot above the ground. Dozens (even hundreds) of unmanned horses charging though the German MG position. the guns are firing low enough that the horses get chopped all the hell, but the riders are relatively safe; until they get unhorsed. Even when people are firing directly at the riders (most armies taught their people to fire at the center of target). the frontal silhouette of a man on horse, the horse makes up about 3/4 of the target silhouette, and should take 3/4 of the hits.
An ancient field war tactic in modern war. Was it von Moltke the Elder, who claimed in 1830 that the days of the mounted cavalry were already numbered? The cavalry has been elitist since Roman times, which is why it has survived for so long, too long..
47000 Australian infantry plus 15000 cavalry against 4400 Turkish infantry equipped with 60 machine guns and 28 field gun...Looks like a very bright charge.
You know, Austrailia has always been our tried and true partners, but i never see Australian war stories. Have i just missed them? I've seen heroic American, British, german, french, Japanese and whatever, but i can't remember any Austrailians, and they have been in every war, and never any bad press.
Have a look for Gallipoli & Beneath Hill 60- both set during WW1. Earlier? Try the sad but ripping Boer War tale, Breaker Morant, with Edward Woodward. Also Kokoda, about New Guinea, WW2. Finally (these are from the top of my head) Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan (Vietnam war). The Gallipoli campaign & the part Australians played in it are an important part of this country's identity. April 25th is a national bank holiday, commemorating the landing at ANZAC Bay Beach, 1915. PS You'll probably be surprised by one of the young actors in Gallipoli.
39th Battalion Kokoda NewGuinea WW2 raw Australian troops vs the Japanese and Danger Close Australians in Vietnam (Danger Close is brilliant) plus the Desert Rats Australians in Tobruk WW2 (black and white film) and theres Anzacs the mini series made in 1985. as a side, and theres Jabotsville the Irish Army as UN white helmets in Africa.
Ta brytyjska szarża pokazana jako pierwsza to jakieś nieporozumienie na tle obu pozostałych... Kompletnie bzdurny wymysł filmowy z zerowym prawdopodobieństwem wystąpienia czegoś takiego w rzeczywistości... Znacznie lepsza byłaby tu faktycznie podnoszona przez rosyjskojęzycznych komentatorów szarża Kozaków z filmu "Cichy Don"...
Always fun to see cavalry with swords making a frontal assault on an entrenched line with rifles, machine guns and cannon. And of course the cavalry with swords win.
Well frank my old lad in the case of the Australian light horse at Beersheba they did. And with the capture of the wells there it enabled the capture of Gaza. The Australians managed to get "under the guns" , that is the bullets and shells were going overhead. They lost about 40 killed out of 800 or so riders. Strictly speaking though they weren't cavalry but mounted light horse. So there you go old mate.
In case of Poles, they didn't win. They were part of Austro-Hungarian army and received idiotic order to charge Russian artillery positions. Poles knew it was suicidal, so they decided to use only one squadron instead of full regiment. They were decimated. Only 24 or so of them survived. The rest has been killed, inluding regiment commander. But later on, in 1920 Russo-Polish war a massive cavalry battle occured, involving 20 thousand cavalry on both sides. Poles won. It was the last huge cavalry battle in history.
from the Australian war memorial site:The 4th and 12th increased their speed to a gallop, now 2 kilometers from the Ottoman front line, as two German aircraft attempted to disrupt the charge, dropping bombs amidst the horses. However, the speed and distribution of the Light Horse charge proved a challenging target. As the pace of the charge intensified, time was measured in minutes and seconds. At 30km/hr 2km is covered in approx 4 minutes.
Der polnische Angriff ist ja wohl mehr als lächerlich. Aus dem Schützengraben gezielt schießen wenn sie bis auf 100m heran sind, dann kurz ducken, die wenigen überlebenden Reiter durchlassen und sie dann in aller Ruhe von hinten abknallen. Eigene Verluste: Null. Was sonst?
Funny/not funny was an order given to Poles by your brothers Austrians. Those Austrian idiots gave them order to attack Russian artillery positions. When you're a soldier, you do not question orders, you just do.
It would be good to know what the battles were and what the real casualties were - just to give what are otherwise ahistorical' (as presented here) moments of glorious folly a bit of historical context.
At Beersheba the 4th Australian Light Horse Brigade suffered a total of 35 killed and 39 wounded. Estimated Ottoman casualties 500 dead 200 wounded. Don't forget the Australian Light Horse were not cavalry.
Thanks for that. From the film clip, you would have thought the Ottoman machine guns and artillery had killed a lot more Australians than that, and that the Ottomans had lost nowhere near 500 men. Interesting.
@@NSWLancer Historically, cavalry (from the French word cavalerie, itself derived from "cheval" meaning "horse") are soldiers or warriors who fight mounted on horseback. As Previously stated.... Custer was 7th cavalry, but fought most of his battles on ground...including his last battle. As a NSWLancer...you need to brush up on realim...Aussies were light horse by designation only. But fundamentally a new concept in cavalry!
Movie rubbish, in the first charge why would the germans have so many heavy machine guns set up in the woods behind their forward moving camp, utter bollocks.
And yet they did it and succeeded. They had to take Beersheba as it was the only place where they could get water. They’d been out for a few days. But if you think the charge is silly, what about the Turks? The Aussies managed to get in ‘under the guns’ and beat Lawrence of Arabia to it.
No, that was polish regiment formed in Austro-Hungarian army. Poland was partited to Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary and Poles fought in all 3 armies, sometimes forced to shoot each other. There were some polish regiments formed in Russian and Austro-Hungarian army. Only Germans didn't allowed Poles to create own troops. Read about legions of Józef Piłsudski and Józef Dowbór-Muśnicki.
I wonder how many successful Calvary Charges were made during World war one. There couldn't have been that many. Basically it was another waste of good men and horses for a out of date tactic that cost the lives of good men and horses. And for what. Tradition or glory. Bolt action rifles and machine guns and breech loading artillery had made mounted charges obsolete. A pure waste for tradition.
Poland was partited to Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary and Poles fought in all 3 armies, sometimes forced to shoot each other. There were some polish regiments formed in Russian and Austro-Hungarian army. Only Germans didn't allowed Poles to create own troops. Read about legions of Józef Piłsudski and Józef Dowbór-Muśnicki. The uhlans showed on 2nd clip are part of 2nd Brigade, part of legions of Józef Piłsudski, created in Austro-Hungarian army.
@@steveweatherbe Then you should have specified that. I served in an Australian Regiment which conducted what is commonly called the last great cavalry charge in history, the charge of Beersheba. I take great offence to an armchair critic or keyboard warrior referring to it as a fictitious movie charge and saying "who cares". You should be ashamed of yourself.
@BradSimmonds-j7o And yet, I'm not ashamed. Here's why: the title for this clip is top cavalry charges of WW1. And the first one is made in Hollywood. Fictitious. Complain to whoever put this together.
Did anyone notice that the Poles - supposedly famous for their cavalry - could not hold formation to save themselves, which the Australians - who were actually Mounted Infantry - could! In reality, the Poles could not have been as incompetent as they were shown. Then again, the Germans would not have left their MGs unmanned and lined up aiming over their own camp, frankly, so the Poles aren't alone in being shown grossly out of character.
Check out the issues of Rokitna charge. And sometimes dispersion is the best way to save life and - paradoxically - cohesity of unit. It proves training and skills of the cavalarymen.
Какова была правда? За тринадцать минут 73 польских улан прорвали три линии русских окопов. Они потеряли 15 убитыми и 27 ранеными улан. Русские войска ночью отошли со своих позиций. Битва при Рокитно в 1915 году.
De cand au aparut proiectilele de artilerie cu mitralii si mitraliera, cavaleria nu si-a mai avut rostul pe campul de lupta... Oare se credeau in evul mediu?!
Второе видео где австрийская конница рубит солдат в окопе , просто Фантастическое вранье , даже Индийские фильмы до таких фантазий не доходят .. А почему не показали Конную Атаку Казаков в фильме - Тихий Дон .. Особенно учттывая что писатель описал реальную конную атаку ...
My Great Grandfather was in the 8th Australian Light Horse charge at Beersheba, made it through the whole war unwounded.
I have a horse here for the wife and it charged down the driveway to the barn where i was going to feed it. I cant understand how infantry would stand against a mass cavalry charge.
@@garthevans9625 it would definitely get your knees knocking as they thunder towards you.
@garthevans9625 The Infantry used squares to combat the calavery. This was very effective.
Fascinating!
My grandfather 18th Hussars WW1 he made it through !
@@bertiewooster3326 My grandfather made it through the first world war, he survived the Somme....his brother didn't, he died.
3:50 Charge of Rokitna 1915. Polish uhlans serving in the Austro-Hungarian army captured two lines of Russian trenches. The success surprised everyone. Unfortunately, the Austrian infantry did not support the cavalrymen and the Russians recaptured their positions.
However, despite repelling the charge, Russian troops left their positions and retreated at night.
My Grandfather was a Cavalryman in WW1, Imperial German Army, Western Front. Second Pomeranian Lancer Regiment Number 9.
Blimey mate. How old are you. My favourite uncle just died at 96 one of the last surviving of Hitler’s child soldiers, his father died on the Ostfront in 1943. I seem to remember being taught that the German army wrote out cavalry charges after a disastrous French one into Prussian machine guns fire in 1870.
@gertkaiser4273 if that were true they would not have still equipped uhlans with lances.
The battle of Halen was the last German mass cavalry charge, August 1914. And even after this they had smaller cavalry charges. Although never again unsupported by infantry/dismounted cavalry.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 thank you I didn’t know that Always a risk relying on your history teachers in school.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 Mein Großvater (geb.1896) wurde erst 1916 eingezogen. Habe erst jüngst erfahren, daß das 2. Pommersche Ulanenregiment Nr.9 am 02.08.1914 mit 400 Reitern in Demmin verladen wurde. Zehn Tage später gab es bei Haelen die ersten Gefallenen. Auch 1916 hatten die Ulanen noch Lanzen. Mein Opa sprach davon, daß es nicht so einfach war- volle Karriere mit Lanze. Sein erstes Pferd (Blauschimmel) starb bei einer Attacke. Er hatte Glück. Ritt dann ein französisches Beutepferd. Als das Reginent 1917 aus Rumänien zurückkehrte wurden sie der Infanterie zugeteilt. Opa war einer der Soldaten, die die Pferde des Regiments an die Ostfront brachten. Dann ging es für ihn zurück an die Westfront. Und wieder nur Glück gehabt. War dort einmal 72h verschüttet.
The Australian charge was not part of their standing orders, they were infantry who used horses for transport. The Turks thought they would ride to a position then dismount. The charge was unexpected and a bloody courageous achievement.
Yes they WERE infantry that used horses, but in action you don't ride to dismount, you would get obliterated, so they rode as a group and be defined as cavalry OR mounted infrantry the charged on horseback and took the field. The Turks were the one's whose infatnry had panicked and not set their sights to compensate for the closing range and so shot OVER ( mostly) the heads of the Australians. A daring feat by men who came at the Turks out of the Sinai desert, although they looked a bit fresher in this than they would have been in real life.
Avustralya halkı bizim kardeşimizdir. Politika ile milletleri birbirine düşüren devletlere lanet olsun.
@@AntalyaZıpkıncıları That is the thing about the Israel / Gaza/ Iran thing right now, none of them are right and the people, just the people suffer and the sufferring makes them hate the other side.
La carga australiana es, simplemente, increíble, es magnífica!
thanks , the charge of the Australian Light Horse in WW1, the charge of the Polish Cavalry at Komarowo 1920, the charge of Italian Savoia Lancers against elite Soviet Syberian Division in 1942... are exaples of the heroism long time gone..
The Aussie win the desert town of Beersheba
I’d agree with your pick. Definitely the Australian Light Horse was epic.
Your missing out the British shows what a pathetic comment you posted. Get a life
In 1920, the First World War ended. And so you can watch the attacks of Budyonny's first cavalry army, and the bandit Makhno... but the attack of the Cossacks at the Brusilov breakthrough from the film silent Don would definitely have come here...And no offense, Italians are bad warriors.. I do not know the episode of the attack of the Savoy Lancers, especially on the "elite Siberian division". We did not have the concept of elite divisions, there was the concept of Guards.. and in this case, everything would have ended very sadly for the Italians.. But if you want to talk about the Second World War, then the raids of Dovator, Kovpak, and the Kuban Cossacks near the village of Kushchevskaya would be much more relevant here...
@@robertcooper7157Compared to what was happening in Europe and Russia, it was just a small fight.
I was in the Calvary- rode a 5 ton shop equipment van.
I still can call myself a trooper, even though I can’t ride a horse- something wrong with that🤣
In today's battlefields the horse is almost defunct. A fighting horse is a six hundred kilo battering ram running at near sixty kilometres an hour, A man aboard who is fired up and armed with a razor sharp piece of steel that with one strike will need more than a bandaid..These were men who charged knowing they would probaly die , and then suprised themselves by not doing so. horse and guts.real guts.
Dokładnie jak napisałeś 👍
Aussie Anzacs kicked some serious ar.e. I salute them!
It is a pity that the author is biased and decided to reject one of the countries that had excellent cavalry in WWI, namely Russia. A brilliant episode of a Cossacks' attack on Austrians from the classic film "And Quiet Flows The Don" would be ideal here, but no, it is now customary to deny any Russia's historical achievements, including military ones.
If you are interested search "ww1:Attack of the Don Cossacks" on YT
As for the Polish cavalrymen hacking down Russian infantry IN A TRENCH, this is, of course, a cheap craft for an unpretentious viewer who does not understand the realities of that war. Imagine to what level a cavalryman had to bend down from a horse to at least reach the head of an infantryman in a trench (and there is still a dump in front of the trench!) Or, alternatively, he should have had a saber two meters long.
In addition, most often in positional warfare, there was at least one line of barbed wire barriers in front of trenches. That is why the enemy was always knocked out of the trenches by infantry that generously payed for it with blood.
Típico video anglosajón, la mejor carga de caballería fue y será como siempre .....
La del Regimiento Alcántara
Hombre las cargasdel Regimiento Alcantara fueron lo único salvable de toda la actuacion española en el desastre de Annual, un acto de heroísmo que fue silenciado para no poner en entredicho la actuación general de ejército español, la de sus oficiales, jefes y generales sobre todo que evidenciaron además de su ineptitud profesional su cobardía. No obstante no se puede comparar las cargas de un Regimiento de caballería contra grupos insurgentes, con las cargas de Brigadas de caballería realizadas contra líneas defensivas de ejércitos regulares, estamos hablando de otra liga.
Technically the Aussies never had cavalry. They were mounted infantry. Great clip however I'm sure there are dozens of heroic charges throughout the ages
Yes. In the American West in the 19th century, too, most of the mounted soldiers were not cavalry, but mounted infantry.
Historically, cavalry (from the French word cavalerie, itself derived from "cheval" meaning "horse") are soldiers or warriors who fight mounted on horseback. So your alternate reality has little credit here. General Custer was cavalry...but he fought his last battle unmounted...please explain. No cavalry charge in History has made such a change in History as did the lighthorse on beersheeba and the lighhorse ensuing voctories across the middkle east. So howEver...you are a tyotally wrong dik hed!
@@sqnhunter Why the abuse.
The most feared unit in WW1 The Australian Light Horse 🤫🇦🇺
@@anthonywilson7304It's not just aggressive, he's wrong. You're correct.
x2 Ld SH(RC) & x1RCD Canadian WW1 charges complete with VCs awarded were rather significant.
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Freedom is not free and the price is our committed people to the ultimate sacrifice.
Thank you for your dedication and service.
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"Gunna charge Beersheba mate!"
They were pretty bloody thirsty
Почему не показана атака донских казаков из Тихого Дона?
Там все как то реальнее.
Вопрос риторический. До сих пор от слова казак у них непроизвольное расслабление ануса.
SALUDOS DESDE PERU , HERMOSAS ESCENAS
You know Shit's real when the horses are in the trenches.
The Australians only suffered 67 casualties (30 killed) at the battle of Bersheeba, such was the surprise of the attack.
Still have my grandfathers emu plumes from the lighthorse in WW1. The attack on beersheba helped the formation of Israel and why we have a special relationship with them as it led to the driving out of turkey
I have my Great Grandfather's (8th Light Horse) WW1 medals along with war trinkets he collected in a Christmas tin they all got from Princess Mary and a bayonet.
Not really.
Interesting that the "extra" clip of the Warhorse exercise shows the "correct" way to charge at the time, giving point, whereas the actual charge in the film has the cavalrymen cutting and slashing, rather than giving the point. the 1908 sword was a thrusting weapon and completely not designed for cutting.
Perhaps, but giving point like that is impractical in a running melee like that. It delivers a lot of energy into your first target, but, also puts your sword into them as well. What do you use to attack the second target, if your sword gets lodged into the first? Your bare hands? The thing you have to consider with blade combat is that having your weapon stuck in an enemy is a very bad thing to do. It leaves you vulnerable.
@@BenjaminPitkin do go on to the Schola Gladiatoria RUclips channel, where there is a useful talk on exactly this and how British WW1 Cavalrymen were trained to give and extract the point. The sword was designed for multi use, unlike the lance, which is pretty useless in a close-quarter melee. Interestingly, continental cavalry made far greater use of the lance and the Imperial German army armed all cavalrymen with lances, not only Uhlans. I will post a link if I find it - very interesting stuff.
@@BenjaminPitkin have a look at this - ruclips.net/video/9c_wwRnukYs/видео.html
Great, 🙂 I´m not the only one
the last charge is a bit silly what good is cavalry charge without a lance and Sabre to strike terror into the enemy and of course a smoke screen very handy a cavalry man going at full charge only has to hold his sabre out not wave it about at full charge it will crack ribs asunder if it makes contact
Because the Australian light horse fought as mounted infantry - they were not armed with sabres, instead they pulled out their bayonets and used them instead. They used them out of necessity.
600kg of horse meat heading for you at 60kmh is concerning enough.
Might seem a bit silly..but it worked. The Australian Lighthorse captured Beersheba and that can't be undisputed. They needed speed to break through the lines and get under the field gun barrage. Dismounting before the lines of Turks would have been even sillier..bordering on suicidal.So mobility was survival. Only 31 troopers were killed with 36 wounded in the action that took under an hour to complete...after two previously failed frontal attacks. They succeeded in capturing the city, the wells and some 740 German and Turk officers and troops. Once they made it into or behind the Turk trenches they wrecked havoc. They pretty much used anything in the melee from bayonets, rifle butts, stirrups and the physical mass of the horses to smash into the Turkish troops. I think the speed and the unexpected change of tactics to not dismount, and speed on was enough to strike the necessary terror. The Turkish lines at the point of the attack was one of the weaker spots and didn't have barbed wire as part of the defences.
In the Napoleonic wars and before there is something truly awesome about a cavalry charge. But in 1914 it becomes so futile, it inspires sheer anger
Not quite, in Eastern Europe cavalry attacks were still effective until 1921, where the Poles effectively repelled the Russians with cavalry. But the fact is that World War I was the end of this formation. Interestingly, the last cavalry charge in the history of the world was conducted by Poles, and it was successful, during World War II, and precisely in 1945 near Bobruisk, where tanks could not cope.
@@zofian7190 Sorry mate but I can't agree with that.
@colinstafford7846 you are simply wrong. Most cavalry charges in ww1 were tactically succesful. And all cavalry charges in ww1 and ww2 took fewer casualties than equvilient infantry attacks, both succesful and unsuccessful.
@@zofian7190 ostatnią szarżą kawaleryjską był atak... amerykańskiej jednostki kawalerii! Był to oddział rozpoznawczy i działo się to w 1945 w kwietniu we Włoszech.
@@colinstafford7846Reality doesn't care at all if you agree with it or not 🙂
At the end of the war Australian quarantine laws prevented the Aussies taking their horses home. Most chose to humanely shoot them rather than have the Army sell them through the local markets.
I like the aussie one
Bluddy oath!
Too right mate!
To all the brave ausies that lost there lives i salute you R,I,P
I know nothing of military tactics but it seemed suicidal to charge with horses and swords against cannons and machine guns
What's more bewildering was the neglected sentries that would have prevented such bold a cav charges..
Cavalry against any formation was suicidal... In most time periods. Cavalry is used to skirmish, flank, scout, harass, and route broken formations. Of the examples here, only the charge of the Australian Light Horse was truly successful - and the reason for this success was purely because of a ploy. The Light Horse didn't normally charge - they fought as dismounted infantry... This meant the Turks at Bathsheba held their artillery fire and waited for the dismount - a dismount that never happened. By the time the Turks opened fire it was already too late. The Light Horse were too close and "under the guns". It's not necessarily suicide, but, cavalry tactics rely on surprise and shock...
It's actually the same as for most modern forms of "maneuver warfare". The idea is to have such a ferocity of attack, that you overload your opponent with problems to solve, quicker than they can solve them. This pushes forces the enemy into a state of in-action. But, relies on maintaining tempo to work. If you loose tempo, you loose initiative. If you loose initiative you loose the battle.
@@BenjaminPitkin certainly in Nap period wasnt used as you said. Cavalry in effect pins formed infantry forcing it in square which both stops an advance and makes it a nice target for artillery. In earlier wars in 18th century, some battles had more cavalry than infantry on field
The reason they used Horses in WWI was because the British were so used to fighting previous battles / Wars with Cavalry and charging the enemy. Britain's cavalry were trained to fight both on foot (with bonnets, rifles, etc) and mounted, Shock tactic of mounted charges. So they thought WWI would be the same but they didn't realise that the Germans how had machine guns and advanced technology weapons to theirs. Plus the British high-up ranks were the rich men's posts and not the men who earned it. Australia did the opposite. Promoting only the men with experience or who proved themselves.
@@Mav_F Boer War was a great example too.
well they got the short bayonet out Do you know I have one says on it 1916 its mint with scabbard and frog the frog could be later the rest perfect
"Soldiers! The time for sacrifice has come. Let everyone do their duty. If you don't, your mothers, your girlfriends, all the Spanish women will say that we are cowards. We are going to prove that we are not."
With these phrases, pronounced, pistol in hand, by Lieutenant Colonel Fernando Primo de Rivera, it can be said that one of the most epic performances of the Spanish Cavalry begins, that of the Alcántara Regiment in the Annual retreat, on July 23, 1921.
The Alcántara horsemen charged four times against the entrenched enemy, while the rest of the column managed to cross the river. Given the exhaustion of the horses, they began to fight, first at a walk and then on foot.
It should be noted that, in the last charges, given the diminished forces, even the veterinary officers and the very young band students, stood up and fell alongside their companions.
Almost 700 men formed the Regiment at the beginning of the day but Lieutenant Colonel Primo de Rivera, two commanders, some officers and about seventy troops survived. At the end of that day, the Alcántara Regiment ceased to exist as a Unit.
Days later, Lieutenant Colonel Primo de Rivera died due to gangrene caused by the amputation of an arm after being hit by a cannon shell.
For all these reasons, the process for granting the Laureate Cross of San Fernando, the highest distinction of the Spanish army, to the Alcántara Regiment was initiated. On June 1, 2012, the Council of Ministers awarded the Laureate Cross of San Fernando in its collective form to the Alcántara Hunters Regiment, 14th Cavalry, which was placed on the Standard of the RCAC Alcántara No. 10 by His Majesty King Juan Carlos I on October 1, 2012 at the Royal Palace in Madrid. It took the Spanish Government ninety-one shameful years to recognise the sacrifice of the "Héroes of Alcántara".
My Grandfather Francis Hope was in WW2 we have pictures of him on a big Gray Horse he died before I was born, his dress was like these guys I wounder what he did?
Horses are still good on reccon missions in certain regions
To nit-pic it wasn't a 'Cavalry' charge as such at Beersheba. because the Australian's were not exactly 'Cavalry' but mounted infantry, the unit never carried as a whole lances or sabres but rifles.
They used their long bayonets as sabres.
La carga de caballería más heroica de la Historia: la del Regimiento Alcantara protegiendo la retirada de sus camaradas de los miserables rifeños.
Amazing re-enactment.
All very cool, but one thing I hate in these movies, is shown in the first example. MGs in the woods firing a little over a foot above the ground. Dozens (even hundreds) of unmanned horses charging though the German MG position. the guns are firing low enough that the horses get chopped all the hell, but the riders are relatively safe; until they get unhorsed. Even when people are firing directly at the riders (most armies taught their people to fire at the center of target). the frontal silhouette of a man on horse, the horse makes up about 3/4 of the target silhouette, and should take 3/4 of the hits.
An ancient field war tactic in modern war. Was it von Moltke the Elder, who claimed in 1830 that the days of the mounted cavalry were already numbered? The cavalry has been elitist since Roman times, which is why it has survived for so long, too long..
I think those Maxims made a lot of dog food that day.😕
Спасибо, искренне поржал. Такая лютая хня, что ух.
47000 Australian infantry plus 15000 cavalry against 4400 Turkish infantry equipped with 60 machine guns and 28 field gun...Looks like a very bright charge.
Wot? It was 800 Australians charging. There were no Australian infantry.
@@seanlander9321 check out history notes. Movies donot reflect history for true.
47,000 Infantry plus 15,000 Cavalry. Obviously numbers weren't your strong point at school.
@@BradSimmonds-j7o check out historical records.
@@ilhanozgoren3428 I don't need to check the history of the Regiment I served in.
What were the first two movies?
The second one is polish film "Legiony"
The first one is "Warhorse"
No3 had to be Beersheba
It sure is 👍🏻
Italian cavalry isbuchensky 1942 Russia e jablando 1942 yugoslavia, the Lost in history of cavalry and in africa in 1941
Только , если пушки сначала шрапнель, затем картечь , то пипец кавалерии
What about the charge of the light brigade Eroll Flynn at his finest
It took place on Crimea War, 60 years before WWI.
Lo bueno es con ametralladora. No murió ni un caballo. Eso es tener buena puntería.😅😅😅
Its was sure insanity. For any commandering officer. Ordering cavalry charge in WW1.
Атака лошадистов на пулемёты? Серьёзно?
У русских пушки холостыми стреляли.А уж про заграждения из колючей проволки они слыхом не слыхивали.
The Best cavalry in the world is the Polish hussars
You know, Austrailia has always been our tried and true partners, but i never see Australian war stories. Have i just missed them? I've seen heroic American, British, german, french, Japanese and whatever, but i can't remember any Austrailians, and they have been in every war, and never any bad press.
Have a look for Gallipoli &
Beneath Hill 60- both set during WW1.
Earlier? Try the sad but ripping Boer War tale, Breaker Morant, with Edward Woodward.
Also Kokoda, about New Guinea, WW2.
Finally (these are from the top of my head) Danger Close: The Battle of Long Tan (Vietnam war).
The Gallipoli campaign & the part Australians played in it are an important part of this country's identity. April 25th is a national bank holiday, commemorating the landing at ANZAC Bay Beach, 1915.
PS You'll probably be surprised by one of the young actors in Gallipoli.
39th Battalion Kokoda NewGuinea WW2 raw Australian troops vs the Japanese and Danger Close Australians in Vietnam (Danger Close is brilliant) plus the Desert Rats Australians in Tobruk WW2 (black and white film) and theres Anzacs the mini series made in 1985. as a side, and theres Jabotsville the Irish Army as UN white helmets in Africa.
You should be able to find this movie on RUclips, "The Lighthorsemen" 1987.
Yes, the era of war horses is gone forever... unfortunately
Ta brytyjska szarża pokazana jako pierwsza to jakieś nieporozumienie na tle obu pozostałych... Kompletnie bzdurny wymysł filmowy z zerowym prawdopodobieństwem wystąpienia czegoś takiego w rzeczywistości...
Znacznie lepsza byłaby tu faktycznie podnoszona przez rosyjskojęzycznych komentatorów szarża Kozaków z filmu "Cichy Don"...
Haltung, Haltung meine Herren.......wir sind die Kavallerie 👍👍👍💣👎🏿
Коняшек жалко... 😢😢😢
Which is the title of the polish film?
"Legiony" in polacco. Cioe' Le legioni
@@graczgraczyk25 grazie. È visivamente molto più bello degli altri due senza bisogno di stelle e budget Hollywoodiani
Второй эпизод ерунда. В окопе кавалеристы ничего пехоте не сделают.
Bitwa pod Komarowem
Number 1!
to szarża pod Rokitną
@@4znaki543Tragiczna w skutkach. Idiotyczny rozkaz wydany przez austriackie dowództwo.
Always fun to see cavalry with swords making a frontal assault on an entrenched line with rifles, machine guns and cannon. And of course the cavalry with swords win.
Well frank my old lad in the case of the Australian light horse at Beersheba they did. And with the capture of the wells there it enabled the capture of Gaza. The Australians managed to get "under the guns" , that is the bullets and shells were going overhead. They lost about 40 killed out of 800 or so riders. Strictly speaking though they weren't cavalry but mounted light horse. So there you go old mate.
Ha ha ha!😁
In case of Poles, they didn't win. They were part of Austro-Hungarian army and received idiotic order to charge Russian artillery positions. Poles knew it was suicidal, so they decided to use only one squadron instead of full regiment. They were decimated. Only 24 or so of them survived. The rest has been killed, inluding regiment commander. But later on, in 1920 Russo-Polish war a massive cavalry battle occured, involving 20 thousand cavalry on both sides. Poles won. It was the last huge cavalry battle in history.
There will be no honor in an all out nuclear war.
Charge hollywoodienne, une charge ne se faisait pas sur des kilomètres au galop mais seulement sur une petite centaine de mètres.
from the Australian war memorial site:The 4th and 12th increased their speed to a gallop, now 2 kilometers from the Ottoman front line, as two German aircraft attempted to disrupt the charge, dropping bombs amidst the horses. However, the speed and distribution of the Light Horse charge proved a challenging target. As the pace of the charge intensified, time was measured in minutes and seconds. At 30km/hr 2km is covered in approx 4 minutes.
the charge of the light brigade
Ww1??
Der polnische Angriff ist ja wohl mehr als lächerlich. Aus dem Schützengraben gezielt schießen wenn sie bis auf 100m heran sind, dann kurz ducken, die wenigen überlebenden Reiter durchlassen und sie dann in aller Ruhe von hinten abknallen. Eigene Verluste: Null. Was sonst?
du bist mehr als lächerlich.
Funny/not funny was an order given to Poles by your brothers Austrians. Those Austrian idiots gave them order to attack Russian artillery positions. When you're a soldier, you do not question orders, you just do.
I dlatego niemcy przegrali kolejną wojnę
@@fordsonfordson7155 Ja? Wirklich? Wer winselt denn heute immer noch wegen einer "Entschädigung" ?
And Napoleón Coraseros Charges what ??
It would be good to know what the battles were and what the real casualties were - just to give what are otherwise ahistorical' (as presented here) moments of glorious folly a bit of historical context.
At Beersheba the 4th Australian Light Horse Brigade suffered a total of 35 killed and 39 wounded. Estimated Ottoman casualties 500 dead 200 wounded. Don't forget the Australian Light Horse were not cavalry.
Thanks for that. From the film clip, you would have thought the Ottoman machine guns and artillery had killed a lot more Australians than that, and that the Ottomans had lost nowhere near 500 men. Interesting.
@@trevsnow
Well the Australians certainly didn't stop killing with the capture of the trenches. The target was the wells and the town.
@@trevsnow They also captured 10,000 ottoman prisoners.
@@NSWLancer Historically, cavalry (from the French word cavalerie, itself derived from "cheval" meaning "horse") are soldiers or warriors who fight mounted on horseback. As Previously stated.... Custer was 7th cavalry, but fought most of his battles on ground...including his last battle. As a NSWLancer...you need to brush up on realim...Aussies were light horse by designation only. But fundamentally a new concept in cavalry!
Prunaru Romania Ww1
Movie rubbish, in the first charge why would the germans have so many heavy machine guns set up in the woods behind their forward moving camp, utter bollocks.
And don’t forget that machine guns sprayed all over and killed soldiers only but no (much bigger) horses.
Poor horses!
My grandfather
Especially the scene from WAR HORSE. But, the Australians. Let me charge you from two
Miles away. Just so you know I’m coming. Duh!
And yet they did it and succeeded. They had to take Beersheba as it was the only place where they could get water. They’d been out for a few days. But if you think the charge is silly, what about the Turks? The Aussies managed to get in ‘under the guns’ and beat Lawrence of Arabia to it.
They had to form up out of sight, it's commonly known as tactics.
@@michaelpoyer did they win the town? Yes?? Must’ve worked.
А где казаки?
С появлением пулемётов и колючей проволоки конница потеряла смысл.
There are only the fools who go to be killed in the war for their lords !
Yes, the Turks were certainly fools.
Aaah that were not poles but Hungarians. Poland was part of Russian Empire then...
No, that was polish regiment formed in Austro-Hungarian army. Poland was partited to Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary and Poles fought in all 3 armies, sometimes forced to shoot each other. There were some polish regiments formed in Russian and Austro-Hungarian army. Only Germans didn't allowed Poles to create own troops. Read about legions of Józef Piłsudski and Józef Dowbór-Muśnicki.
And the Turks just folded, amazing
The war are written by the winners and most of it is wrong!
@@belkheir59 You a very right there. Reading and researching from the other side paints a very different picture.
I wonder how many successful Calvary Charges were made during World war one. There couldn't have been that many. Basically it was another waste of good men and horses for a out of date tactic that cost the lives of good men and horses. And for what. Tradition or glory. Bolt action rifles and machine guns and breech loading artillery had made mounted charges obsolete. A pure waste for tradition.
The Australians had plenty of success with cavalry in WWI.
Englisch Warlords,in Aktionen,
2 эпизод - полная шляпа
When did the Poles fight against Russia in the First World War? Poland was then part of the Russian Empire! Which toe was this episode sucked out of?
Poland was partited to Russia, Germany and Austro-Hungary and Poles fought in all 3 armies, sometimes forced to shoot each other. There were some polish regiments formed in Russian and Austro-Hungarian army. Only Germans didn't allowed Poles to create own troops. Read about legions of Józef Piłsudski and Józef Dowbór-Muśnicki. The uhlans showed on 2nd clip are part of 2nd Brigade, part of legions of Józef Piłsudski, created in Austro-Hungarian army.
The hyena of Europe cannot help but take a shit
Oh. Top movie charges. Who cares? What about real charges? Flowerdew's charge for eg.
History obviously isn't your strong point.
@BradSimmonds-j7o what? The first charge in this clip was fictitious. Hence my comment.
@@steveweatherbe Then you should have specified that.
I served in an Australian Regiment which conducted what is commonly called the last great cavalry charge in history, the charge of Beersheba.
I take great offence to an armchair critic or keyboard warrior referring to it as a fictitious movie charge and saying "who cares".
You should be ashamed of yourself.
@BradSimmonds-j7o And yet, I'm not ashamed. Here's why: the title for this clip is top cavalry charges of WW1. And the first one is made in Hollywood. Fictitious. Complain to whoever put this together.
@@steveweatherbe To quote you, "What about real charges".
Moron.
Did anyone notice that the Poles - supposedly famous for their cavalry - could not hold formation to save themselves, which the Australians - who were actually Mounted Infantry - could! In reality, the Poles could not have been as incompetent as they were shown. Then again, the Germans would not have left their MGs unmanned and lined up aiming over their own camp, frankly, so the Poles aren't alone in being shown grossly out of character.
That being said, it was for cinematic purposes. Obviously Poles could and did hold formation.
Check out the issues of Rokitna charge. And sometimes dispersion is the best way to save life and - paradoxically - cohesity of unit. It proves training and skills of the cavalarymen.
How idiotic is that ?
this is what I call a cavalry charge. :)
ruclips.net/video/CLRINnp1_00/видео.html
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Атака на русские позиции- просто хрень: рубить 😅 как себе это представляет режиссёр, саблями в окопах
Какова была правда? За тринадцать минут 73 польских улан прорвали три линии русских окопов. Они потеряли 15 убитыми и 27 ранеными улан. Русские войска ночью отошли со своих позиций. Битва при Рокитно в 1915 году.
De cand au aparut proiectilele de artilerie cu mitralii si mitraliera, cavaleria nu si-a mai avut rostul pe campul de lupta... Oare se credeau in evul mediu?!
Да-да, на пулеметы. Вот так и погиб Шерлок Холмс 🤣
Какая охеренная точность, лошади целы, а кавалеристы нет.
Второе видео где австрийская конница рубит солдат в окопе , просто Фантастическое вранье , даже Индийские фильмы до таких фантазий не доходят ..
А почему не показали Конную Атаку Казаков в фильме - Тихий Дон .. Особенно учттывая что писатель описал реальную конную атаку ...
You don't know about Rokitna charge, where exactly this took place?
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