Headphones vs Monitors? The Audeze MM-500 Headphones CHANGED MY MIND!
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2024
- In the never-ending debate about Headphones versus Monitors for mixing, I have always sat firmly on the fence, saying “each to their own - but I personally prefer to mix with monitors”. But all that changed with THESE headphones - the Audeze MM-500.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:00 Price
01:53 Monitors vs Headphones
03:28 Specs
04:30 Planar Magnetic Drivers
05:19 The Experience
06:39 The Unusual Experience
07:49 Weight
08:37 My Conclusion 
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Another great review Mike. LCD5 here. Couldn’t be happier 👍🏼
You've provided a very even-handed review. Nice job, thank you!
Good to hear the mixes translate well! I've been hoping for a recommendation like this -- every other video seemed to be by an audiophile consumer rather than a working producer. BTW: for anybody mixing mainly in headphones, I strongly recommend Goodhertz CanOpener. No mushy "virtual room" nonsense, just a clean crossfeed to get the phantom centre.
Hi Mike. I've had a pair of Audeze LCD 3's for 8 or 9 years and I absolutely LOVE them. Audeze also offers a software plugin that further enhances the experience, along the lines of the Waves Abbey Road, Ocean Waves, etc. plugins. Yes, they're expensive, but worth every penny.
You make a very compelling point, Mike. "Remove the room". Acoustic treatment necessary to make any room acceptable has already blown a $1700 budget... to say nothing of the cost of those monitors you're pumping sound through!! BUT... and aside from all the other features... it was your enthusiasm about the product that sold me.
Thank you. You know the hard thing is, sometimes enthusiasm can come off as a bit of a sales pitch.... so I'm happy my genuine feeling came across :)
I am looking into getting a set of MM-500s. Did you use a seperate headphone amp or did you find it sufficient to connect them to your regular audio interface or maybe directly into your intruments?
definitely a lot of positive reviews. i think if folks are looking for close but no cigar - Sennheiser SD-600 or Audio-Technica ATH-70x (~ $350)
Have you tried the HEDDPHONE by HEDD. I find they translate pretty well for mixes. I liked Audeze but found the upper mids raised a little which I thought could make it tricky ti balance a mix on.
I'm impressed that you are so impressed, given your available collection of great headphones already.
So, I trust what you're saying but still ... totally out of reach for my no-income hobby music room. Cheers!
Understandable - I tell ya what though, they really are wonderful :)
@@CreativeSauce hello , what about the ollo s4 and the austrian audio between the MM-500s ?
Thank you
I tried Audeze X a couple of months ago, but ended up returning to my Beyerdynamic 1990 Pro’s. Couldn’t use eq correctly with Audeze’s.
I wonder how different these are.
I have wBeen using Waves NX plugins……..I have found them very useful for mixing/mastering in headphones in the absence of a pristine monitoring environment
Audeze MM-500 or LCD-X. I have been digging in and found some that find the LCD-X to be more flat response. It would be interesting if Audeze would send you them to compare
Profile isn’t that different, and all of them should be used in conjunction with Can Opener and some kind of correction (Sonarworks, Morphitt, Reveal etc)
Hi Mike. I see Audeze also do an LCD version which use the same technology. Any chance you could compare. The base LCD headphone, while still very expensive, comes in a lot cheaper.
Hi Peter - thats a great idea for a video, I'll look into that.
I wonder do you use also headphones correction plugins with them as well, like Sonarworks or Realphones? For MM-500, I noticed a significant drop in higher mid range of frequencies, and was amazed how the sound differs with and without Realphones plugin. I suppose it's also worth to mention it here)
I hope you try the new MM-100 as their more affortable
i have these headphone and they are 100% worth it. they make mixing so easy ince you get use to it. they have so much detail its crazy
Sennheiser HD 800s have you heard them? very light and comfortable and about the same price. The soundstage is wide and they also are more like loudspeakers.
Thank you - I'll try to try :)
I am using HD800S mixing many songs theses years. My clients all like my mix. Moreover your experience about listening like studio monitor. I got the same experience by using HD800S for a long time🤣.
On the other hand, a famous RUclipsr and song producer Warren mentioned in his video. This headphones sounds not like what he listened as his studio monitor. So I am doubting about if I should buy MN500😅
I wonder, have you tried the Waves NX plugins?
i haven't - but I aim to!
What would be the best for beginnen outside of the Budget of 2000 and above?
My Honda CR-V has a pretty good sound system. I first turn on the radio to a station that plays music like mine. I put it at a comfortable volume. I listen to some songs and note the volume and quality. Then I play my song which is mixed and mastered. If need be I fix things in the mix and remaster. But I've often been surprised that the quality of the radio songs are not that impressive.
I guess I have a new item on my wish list for music 🙂 I still love my beyerdynamic 990 😊
As well you should :)
Those 990s were the most I've ever paid for headphones, and that hasn't changed.
I want one
I just want to use one earphone and don't want to be tired of switching devices all the time depending on the type of music. I listen to 80% classical and 20% jazz , pop. I have also seen the mm500 so far, and I think the instrument part is quite good, and the vocals are in the front, so the female voice sounds good. Do you recommend other headphones at this level? I think the sound field of the mm500 is okay. For classical music, the instrument tone is not too modified. , the bass dive is enough for jazz. I don’t know if I understand this right?
For me, these are still my daily headphones, even though I have many studio headphones. Firstly, I find them very natural sounding, but very detailed also. For your genres of music, they are a very good fit. They potentially wouldn't be as good for hip-hop or EDM - but still IMHO useful.
Try the Avantone Planar! For 4 times less money you have a beautiful mixing and mastering headphone! Audeze its really very expensive for what it is.. They want to be Apple Company for audiophiles.
How do they compare to the Sennheiser 650?
Hey Tom - although I have 20+ studio headphones, I'm afraid I still don't have the 650s :(
@@CreativeSauce how do they compare to the ollo s4x?
I think the statement "the best headphones by a big margin" should be taken with a grain of salt.
The headphones you shown in the beginning (Beyer DT990, AKG K240, Sennheiser HD250) are in a different league compared to MM 500.
But, have the curiosity and try the headphones mentioned above using Sonarworks on the Master Bus, and see if this big difference is still there.😉
Don't get me wrong, Audeze are great headphones out of the box, but I tested LCD-X against AKG K702 or K553 with Sonarworks and the difference was insignificant.
nice to have this, but too expensive for me mike :( , need more time to save :)
Hey, I've had that brand head cans for decades: but I found some that are superior. BeyerDynamics the DR-770-PRO have a dynamic range of 5Hz to 30Hz we can't hear those, but my dog can.. lol.. the depth and presence is superior to any cans I've ever used.. check them out. their whole series is amazing.
'Ow Much!' as we say in Yorkshire 🙂
:)
Went to their site and saw they had headphones that were even MORE expensive. Does anyone know if those are even better?? Hhaahh . Now I'm worried that if I get this one I'll have "product envy" and want to upgrade!
Lol. I'll see if I can try them out :p
@@CreativeSauce and send us all to the poor house! hahah
I have tried them all and prefer the MM500's.
Few years ago easily justifiable - these days unfortunately, not so much. Be interesting to do a comparison mix
my ears are NOWHERE near the cost of these. lol. Sometimes not having great hearing works out to my advantage. Great review though.
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Hi Mike. As far as I can hear, you are missing out a very important part - in fact the most important part - in al sound making: The listener. Where do most people listen to music? Iv'e been in the sound recording business for 50 years. I always make sure the music I mix and master, sounds good where people listen to music. For that I use Yamaha HS 8 and my Apple Earpods. I have more to choose from but this is what I basically need. And my ears! My ears are trained to listen to music in any environment, so I can always mix the way I want, by trusting my ears. Of cours music must sound good in all situations. My studio is pretty much like a livingroom and I guess most people who are listening to music on loudspeakers are doing just that, in a livingroom/bedroom. As far as I can see by searching the internet, most people listen to music on their phones - like I do using my EarPods. All the best Mike!
I think you make a very valid point, and I think that depending on the age group, the final listening experience HAS to be taken into consideration. My teenagers use airpods 99.99% of the time.
In the 70s a good deal of people listened on tiny transistor radios also!
Still, I feel that at the point of production I want to be able to hear details that might be picked up on any devices. Knowing that of course, these will be blurred by airpods, beats, car speakers, and shopping centre speakers!
WOOWWWW! For anyone who can afford them, go for it! (It ain't me babe)
If YOU say they're as good as monitors, Mike, then they must be!😆 If I ever get to the stage where I do this production lark seriously then they'll be at the top of the "must have" list and in the meanwhile I can invent all sorts of excuses to justify the expense to the missus.
Hmm. Andrew Scheps mixes on cheap Sony headphones and manages to do quite well. I think I'll stick with my KRKs.
1.09 Pounds for those of us in the USA
Oooo, that sounds lighter :)
They might be great but just checked the price.Not in my budget, I'm just a working man.
I have a set of dt 880 headphones. ( 200.00) usa dollars. In my opinion there is no such thing as a set of headphones worth 1600 dollars, actually, I don't think my 880's are worth 2 hundred, but I digress. Most people won't be able to tell the difference in sound quality to start with. Of course most professional will say they can, but physically near impossible. That's how they separate their ears from us non professionals.
Here is what you do instead of getting sucked into paying big money for something you don't need. Spen you money on good mastering software, usually less than a third the price. Always go back and forth from speakers to a decent set of phones to get the mix right. But most of all, make every track as perfect as possible before you start any processing or mixing. Owning your own mastering software will let you take your project to a finished product as many times as necessary to get it as good as you want it to be. And you will learn what to listen for in the process.
I think you'd have to try them Mike. I actually somewhat agree that in many of these activities, most people would struggle to discern a difference - I'm actually often one of those people! But in this case, compared to my next favorite headphone (Austrian Audio HiX65, the difference was striking... close to night and day.
No doubt, these expensive headphones are the cheapest solution.
LOL, these headphones are insanely expensive. I’m sure well outside the budget of most of your viewers.
correction software Dsoniq REalphones is an absolute must. MM500 have low end technically, but it is turned down all the way, like small midfield...To feel the weight of a kick, use correction to avoid that roll-off, and also room simulation, so channels are not unilaterally sitting in one rabbit ear, lol.... Dsoniq outperforms Sonarworks and Waves Simulators combined. And to your list - Headphones ALWAYS outperform monitors also in terms of frequency response. A monitor cannot match a headphone in that regard. Also get a GOOD headphone amp....YEs Planars here run with Low Imprdance, but NEED a lot of mW. Get a SPL , which is another 2500. HAs crossfeed. So yeah, Luxury headphones probably costs more than most Home Studio guys headphones, lol. which are 899 for you average guy.... By the way, the slightly better Audeze 5 cost $3500, so be happy with the cheapo 1699 + 150 tax = 1850 - LOL.