Marvel's Spider-Man 2: How can web swinging evolve?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this video I break down what previous #spiderman games did really well and what @insomniacgames could learn from these previous entries.
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Part 2 discussing combat is now up! - ruclips.net/video/t5Ios9Wduek/видео.htmlsi=J2c-9rRl-bR-97xt
I would absolutely love that they added a way to swing/parkour between the city traffic, avoiding cars, jumping form car to car, sliding under trucks, etc etc, WHILE they are driving (cause in the base game they stop as soon as you are in their proximity). This has been shown in pretty much every Spider-Man iteration (Spider-Man 3, Spider-Man FFH, into the spider verse, and even during a cutscene in Spider-Man ps4, etc )
I think the Amazing Spider-Man series handled it quite well with that contextual point launch feature. But more parkour animations would also be great.
He would need a suit made for sliding on pavement and concrete, that’s probably the sliding under trucks isnt a thing. They should add the parkour for sure though
@@RoninSway14 They could say its a feature of the new advanced 2.0 suit
@@AllFatherMedia yea they can, any slightly armored suit can pass for it, if they can add the sliding mechanic and animation for car chases when stopping it, they can for sure add that. Didn’t even think about it that way. That whole safety net above the ground really does need to be removed. Skimming is cool and spidey does it a lot, we should too
We need fall damage. This kid friendly hand holding it annoying.
i usually hate these videos as the typical things people say are 'i want slingshot web, i want web wings, i want a higher skill tree' and that's IT. But you've actually listed new gameplay mechanics, how it could work in terms of using it on a controller, and how they can all be paired into each other well (I'm glad we also shared the idea of a drag/slide move). Cudos man, incredible use of game mechanics and ideas. Just for this you've earned a new subscriber - I've yet to see your other videos but if you ever did a video about combat mechanics, how the current features within the game can be expanded on (like spider legs, tendrils etc) or even ideas for the game to have i'd be more than willing to listen. Keep this up with news updates etc and I'm sure you'll make a name for yourself
I hugely appreciate that! There's definitely more to come 🙏🏻
I am so excited to put on that wingsuit. I feel like the velocity and movement may be able to make up for some of the lack of control in the air. I think Miles' venom jump, slightly helps this but needs to a little higher and farther.
Yea spider-Man 2 highlighted my problems with the web swinging. Theres multiple times Peter or Miles should have hit the water by swinging too low but the animation already starts and that invisible barrier. I don’t think I’ll ever truly get over that issue. But with that being said when they do show more gameplay at Comic Con, they need to lean into more swinging mechanics than just the web wings.
Really liked the slo mo shooting at targets in car idea too and how it ties to combat. I would also get rid of the pause Spidey takes when you going from a swing to the point launch. He crouches to shoot web and stops all momentum before he pulls himself to the object.
I liked how in tasm 2 you used r2 and l2 to swing right and left handed, it felt much more involved than just pressing the same trigger over and over
But the Aiming System has far more potential in doing something legendary.
Not only could it do absolute wonders in combat, and probably stealth, too! It can fix the car missions drastically.
Being able to manipulate your webs by shooting out a line that connects to them and shooting that connection towards a wall can be extremely fun and revolutionary for a Spider-Man game.
I seriously appreciate your angle in this video, approaching it with compromise rather than just telling insomniac to scrap everything and make it physics based is a breath of fresh air in this discussion. (at least from my own perspective)
Bro really thought we wouldn't notice the nastiest transition in Spider-Man's history at 3:08
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT
I just wanted all of the old features from the previous Spiderman games to return or restored to their old versions
Dual Swinging ( SM2 and SM3 )
Web Climbing ( USM and WOS )
Double Jump
Infinite Web Zips that give a small vertical boost
Wall Zip (WOS)
Downward Wall-Running
Vertical Web Zip/Launch between 2 buildings (WOS)
Loop De Loops/U-Turns
I gotta say, this video does a lot of things other videos taking on this topic have not, and that's *making this feel something that could be reasonably done*. As much as I would love for the system to be completely rehauled to be 100% physics based, that's asking for a lot from a studio that's already adding so much to these games. But these ideas genuinely feel like they could be integrated by Insomniac. It felt like you took time to analyze how ideas could fit into this current system and how, rather than just saying "here's the idea, figure it out", and that's something I really respect. Great job, you've earned a new subscriber.
Thank you, I appreciate it a lot :)
Beautiful video. To be honest if they just removed the invisible barriers and restrictions, be able to do lopps, and have a more montum based physics and i am happy, but everything else is amazing and the game works greatly benift from these.
It's too bad that most likely, most of these will be incorporated or fixed looking at that gameplay demo. Not too optomiziric about, will probably still have cun though :/.......
Shame, though, it could be the best traversal of all time if insomniac wanted.
I’m hoping insomniac goes all in on the physics based swing system like Spider-Man 2 the movie game did. A lot of people don’t want to learn how to master the swinging and like the current system so they can make that an option, but giving players a physics based swing system will allow for so much more replayability, because as of right now marvels Spider-Man and miles morales, the swinging gets very boring very quickly since it’s so on rails
I love the Spiderman insomniac games, but I've always thought the ground parkour needed Prototype series amounts of speed to rival the swinging.
Insomniac has to hire you bro. Best ideas I've heard in a while
I honestly wish this was all happening cause this would be a PERFECT Spider-Man game
The TASM games don’t get enough respect, mad nostalgia and genuinely are good games in different ways.
Finally a video suggesting how to make swinging better in Spider-Man that actually makes sense and isn’t just a video with someone nitpicking but actually suggesting ways to make it better 👏🏽 props to you sir
I was really bummed out when I found that you couldn’t loop/d loop around poles.
That was one of my favorite features -‘d you’re the first I’ve heard mention it! 👌
Thank you for brining up momentum so much. It was really a big part of what made Web of Shadows feel so good to play. That along with the fact that you can manually let go of the web. The fact that Insomniac's Spider-Man makes you automatically let go of the web was a huge downside for me and what makes me not so hopeful for the next game. Things like that strip control from the player and are extremely jarring when you first discover them. At this point, if Spider-Man swings the same as he did in Insomniac's first attempt (no real momentum and semi-on-rails feel), I'd much rather just have a remaster of Web of Shadows.
You're right man. I've loved spider-man ps4 traversal and now seeing you break it down. Has me thinking. Those small changes to momentum that would really upgrade it.
I just want the fluidity of the miles morales swinging with the unhinged swinging of web of Shadows with the power of a maxed out swinging of spiderman 2
Idea: instead of pressing triangle in the car chase to get on roof of the car, you have to slow down time and do it manually by aiming on the top of the car and web zipping to it.
i would like to be able to just choose to shoot a web from my right or left hand. Too many times during my playthrough of Spiderman Remastered i would be going to swing to the right around a corner and spiderman would shoot a web from his left hand to a building on the opposite side of the street. just a simple change too R2 for Right Hand Swing and L2 for Left Hand Swing would open up so many more opportunities for player freedom. also i would like to decide when i let go of my webs.
One thing to add would be more idle animations if spiderman stays on the ground he could start to stretch if it stays on the wall, it starts to send messages and if you stand on the edge of a building, spider man can sit on the ledge, like in the cutscene where he eats a pizza "oh i love you... but now i will destroy you" Lastly, if he turns upside down, he could sit like in the scene between Miles and Gwen in Across the Spider Verse. The reason to give more recognition to this function would be the number of players who will be playing for a long time and take several breaks, while enjoying watching the webhead doing something different, it would give more personality and make a lot of good pictures in photomode improved that will come to place.
9:05 250 MPH to be exact. Spiderman can get alot of places just running tbh😂. He's also clocked in at 1.9 MACH once
I really hope insomniac thought of most of this. That wall slingshot is a great idea.
The running being slow part, and trying to implement the perfect amount of parkour and diving off ledges and such as-well as just swinging alone was so accurate.. you literally lose, like, all momentum the minute you land on a building
Great video. I do think that it's too late to "fix" the swinging in Insomniac's engine but these are some very good suggestions to improve upon what they're going for.
I think Pete might use webs a lot more while swinging to gain speed and stuff, like how classic Spider-Man had a martial art made for his powers, but for webs.
I just hope they let you web zip without losing altitude and momentum in chase scenes
Great video, great ideas, hopefully they have some of these planned, or can implement them further down the line, in future games.
Yeah they can still keep the more cinematic style but maybe just add a bit more physics to it.
They have physics... they just locked and tweaked it to a degree for some reason.
They need to open it back up.
@@youngspecial64 At times it feels like the moon gravity cheat in GTA 5.
@@SergeantAngel
in a way...
They just gotta fix it.
unfortunately the invisible barrier that stops you from touching the ground is still present in spider-man 2, you can see it in the gameplay when they were swinging along the river.
That was an older build. Let's hope Insomniac doesn't disappoint us & just have that magical barrier again. For the third time in a row.
I mean... seems very reasonable to have that when water is involved.
It'll probably just switch between what you can touch and what you shouldn't touch.
And if we're on concrete grounds? It'll switch to touching them.
Great video !
Transforming obstacles into boost opportunities is a great idea that matches the intent of making swinging "easy".
Prototype 2 was my relax game, felt so good to traverse.
Love your idea of a web wall/net.
Being dragged by a car sounds cool (plus they kinda showed something similar in the trailer with Miles and the drone, the whole set piece with Lizard).
They could do something where if you web the back of the car, you get dragged and can stop it with pure strenght, if you're on the side you can web the tires and if you web the windshield, the guys have to come out the car.
Also, if you swing near enough the car, you land on it and can do the qte (and have a special one where your mechanical arms rip the car apart).
Oh and if you shoot electro web, the car just stops !
Faster crawling would be nice too, like in the first movie.
Precisely, great suggestions! 💯😃🙌
Firstly I love in Spider-Man 2 & Web of shadows, the momentum you get and how SM2 has a boost swing speed button. My main point was gonna be how when swinging in both games if you’re too close to the ground he runs along the floor with his web in his hand.
Web of Shadows of course slides along the wall but SM2 has a similar animation which could come back too. I love how in SM2 when the momentum is insanely fast then you go to wall run how fast it becomes and you flip off into the air when you’re at the top.
The original Spider-Man 2 (Spider-Man the Movie 2?) had the best web swinging for player expression. The dev team was inspired by the first Tobey Maguire movie, including that players *should* feel clunky at first and learn the system. Insomniac wanted you to feel like a good Spider-man from the start, but the cost is web slinging is a bit too easy so it doesn't have the same feel. Even Ultimate and Web of Shadows (both games I loved) didn't compare to the original open world Spider-man game.
I think they'd do great just by having an option for "Advanced Web Swinging" that used some of the old mechanics. Like wrapping around buildings, and the web lines being able to break if you over stressed them.
I’m really hoping Spider-Man 2 adds a risk and reward system for web swinging. I feel like it could punish players with fall damage if you mess up if you wanna get ballsy trying to swing faster and faster trying to be risky in the game but I feel it’d be fine with how insanely easy it is to fill up your bar to just heal yourself up.
Also cause I wanna jump off the highest building in the game and just watch Peter and miles die from fall damage.
well we won't be getting fall damage but risk and reward would be great
@@thisbubblygoodness7611 we got fall damage
@@tonyybands4493 fuck you on about?
Yeah I had a lot of similar thoughts with the traversal.
Though after seeing the web wings in the trailer for the sequel, I fear that Insomniac will only make things more automated and give less control to the player.
I'd rather more mechanics than nothing though :)
If they don't, then the backlash will be horrendous... we've asked this from the very beginning, and they've proven themselves that they've listened to feedback and criticism.
So...
Why not delete the whole "game telling us when to let go" situation, and letting us have full control of our web line?
It ain't that hard.
Yh I was expecting to see much improvement on the actual core swinging.Web wings and web catapult were a given because it dosent really take much thought. Adding more mechanics just means shiny thing I'm gonna get bored with if it's not actually fleshed out enough
There is 2 Things that I don't feel from the swinging .... Sense of Height and Sense of Speed ... I mean don't get me wrong , it is pretty high up and it is pretty fast but it kinda failed to captures it ... the sense of speed from Spider-Man 2 is abit better where spiderman got fast and the camera zoomed out abit
You're putting some really good points there. Great observation as well as interpretation.
One thing I would love insomniac to add would be different ways to START swinging. You either run, press X and then R2 or you run, hold x and then R2. I would love to see something like zip launching with one arm like Pete and miles do in cutscenes. They stand still and then pull themselves with one zip into the air to start swinging
Let’s face it mechanics shouldn’t ruin your momentum ever. For example dodging in mid air, why does it ruin your momentum? Side dodges should just be rolls to whichever way you’re tilting the joy stick with the momentum still carrying you (so front left and front right), back dodges can be a backflip that lower your height a bit, and front dodges should just zip you forward with a cool animation. Another thing that can be improved is not making traffic stop when you’re close to it so you can do cool flips off of cars if you’re swinging into them without losing momentum,and maybe so you can slingshot off the back of moving cars.
They actually fixed the dodge mechanic in miles morales.
Now, it's used to dodge an incoming building, and the momentum doesn't really break all that much when you use it.
I’m so glad you mentioned the momentum from the Prototype games. They deserve more recognition
Absolutely agree with everything :))
Great video. Also love your usage of clips from movies and other Spider-Man media while explaining your ideas. Keep up the good work! 👍👍
Since Spider-Man 2, it's fair to say web swinging alone could legit be its own game if enough generosity is given to the physics and mechanics. Spider-Man 2 really was the birth of something great and simple when technology enabled Spider-Man to be Spider-Man in his most noteworthy form and Marvel's Spider-Man isn't bringing that to life. They are just emulating parts of it. It's too safe.
When i first played Spider-Man 2 for the PS2, web swinging at first took a bit to get used to, but not much. The reward for it though... It's still my best web swinging experience to this day and they need to bring it back.
Speaking of Prototype we need a new game from that franchise
A prototype game with unreal engine 5 🤧 how unfortunate that we can only dream of it.
Considering the studio who came up with both games was shut down by Activision I doubt it
Didn't help that Prototype 2 didn't sell as much as the first game
Love your ideas, especially with regards to the halting of momentum points. Although i didnt quite understand why there would be a problem keeping momentum while using web shooters.
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Insomniac won't listen anytime soon unfortunately. Spider-Man 2 Gameplay showcase simply had copy-pasted web swinging mechanics from previous 2 games. No speed tweaks, no new animations, nothing...
It was considerably faster than the first game. We also got web wings and the slingshot launch, two completely new mechanics. I wouldn't call that nothing.
@@AllFatherMedia Miles web swinging looks faster and tweaked for sure!, but Peter looks very much copy pasted from the first game
I mean... why would they get rid of them? And insomniac has worked on this for the past 5 years.
If it was copied and pasted, then it would have arrived in 2020 alongside miles morales, or in 2021.
But they took their time for 5 years.
Which means, they probably have added a boatload of newer mechanics that will make the sequel far more engaging and enhanced compared to its predecessor.
They listen.
This is one of the best video essays on this topic, period. You have great insights especially with making the car chases more dynamic, and I can only hope insomniac knows what they needed to do with their sequel and did it. We’ll see if they actually changed the web system. I’m holding out hope but my expectations are very low.
Glad you enjoyed it, I appreciate the comment. I've also got a video on combat if you'd like to check it out when you have time: ruclips.net/video/t5Ios9Wduek/видео.htmlsi=QvGaVvhLq2skkSpc
@@AllFatherMedia totally will, thanks
The amazing Spider-Man 2 game had good web swinging the right trigger was the right arm and the left trigger was the left arm
You know for all that game's faults, the web swinging felt pretty good. Very fluid & never stiff at all surprisingly. If the game looked visually better, I think people could appreciate that game's swinging system more.
More than pretty good actually. Felt & played way better than in Marvel's Avengers.
well i would say these were good mechanics
unfortunately the swinging system itself wasn‘t momentum based or pendulum physics meaning it had no actual weight, speed or anything
the game had cool ideas for mechanics but they weren‘t fleshed out enough to make it feel like something for the future titles to still retain these certain mechanics unfortunately
I’ve never felt like I wasn’t truly in control lol, if anything it’s actually the Exact opposite! The nitpicks makes sense considering the context of the video but some of them are reaching a little, don’t think my hand isn’t being held at all. I would’ve never noticed the web animation starting before the web attached lol but good catch. Stuff like that would be nice touches to be fixed
If you try to swing too close to the ground you would easily notice that he moves before shooting a web. No need for slow Mo. Also sometimes the game wants to swing a certain direction which makes for unnatural looking swings like you are fighting for control
This was what I been sayyyyyinhgghggggggg!!!!!! People thought I was crazyyyytt
i think the web swinging ideas are great. personally, i think the only thing that kept the 2018 and 2020 versions of the game from being peak webswinging is the weight/heaviness thats felt when swinging. both spidermen are slender in build and given their powers we should be able to have much higher angular momentums (swinging velocities/speeds)
They couldn't make the swinging faster because of the capabilities of the ps4 but they confirmed that since the game is exclusively on the ps5 they can make the swinging quicker and more fluid due to how fast the ps5 is
Great video. The main things the swinging needs are more speed, especially after falling from a large height, webs not breaking when you hold R2, momentum transferring into everything, and some way of creating a higher skill ceiling. A lot more contextual moves and animations would be nice too. For combat there needs to be a setting that disables slow motion and locked camera angles on finishers. And for the car chases, you're basically playing whack-a-mole. They should just make the car really hard to catch up to, and then you automatically disable the car once you catch it. Have the criminals steal a mercedes and go 100mph for all I care.
I’m glad you talked about the car chases how is it that insomniac hasn’t evolved this issue!?? Just another boring quick time event. It drives me insane. You should be able to creatively handle these situations. Like maybe create a web barricade or shoot webs to yank or pull the car and stop it dead in its track. I really hope they improve on this.
I don’t think this feature is necessary in the slightest, but I think it’d be dope if they could incorporate some rail/ledge grinding or sliding, like I get it’s not really Spider-Man’s thing but it’s been in both Spider-Verse films briefly, and I just feel like it’d make the traversal even cooler; it also helps that Insomniac kinda made a whole game revolved around it and it was so damn satisfying
Ratchet & Clank had that in it a lot iirc
I would like to see some type of nice tag team swinging animation when they swing together. Like, it you so happen to be close to the other spider-man, you can do an R2+X prompt to see one shoot a web back at the other to yank them forward, like in the swing scene of NWH. And some type of system where you can gauge the trajectory of the charge jump. Like if you wanna prioritize speed, you’ll arch it low and spidery will do a powerful forward lunge. Or if you wanna priories height, you arch it high and he’ll do a high flying acrobatic flip animation.
And also tricks mid swing, like Miles’ animations when he swung out of an air trick
it would be cool if you could press whatever you need to press too activate web wings + L3 and to get a momentum boost for those moments where you just miss a building and you hit the wall and have to run back up. other cool things would be someway implanenting the spider parachute, rail running, and NOT HAVING INBATWEEN WEB SWING ANIMATIONS PREVENT YOU FROM LATCHING ON TO BUILDINGS
Love all your ideas and how you kept in harmony with the design philosophy of the games.
Especially the emphasis on momentum as I'm sure that was said to be their reasoning for a lot of their choices in the webswinging mechanic.
But yeah, options & variety are very important in these scenarios too, as you've mentioned.
Personally I love a lot of the car takedowns in the games (especially when they swing inside, knocking the driver out the other end, and slide out to catch it - never get tired of those), but I agree we should have more options. The web net's a cool idea, and I've been dying for the surfing aspect to make it fully into a game (especially if we can continue firing webs). I think use elements from every game on how to stop them; punch out the car (SM2, WOS), blind the windshield (ASM), pull people out (standard). Maybe even web up the wheels and steer whilst surfing (Like TNAS series). Also how can we use the gadgets system here too?
I think adding more elements or complications could help with variety, or the superheroic feeling; sometimes there's hostages, so you have to approach in a way that they don't get hurt in the crossfire, sometimes accidents happen and you have to deal with that in time to save those in trouble before catching up with the criminals before they escape. Maybe sometimes you can let them lead you to their hideout and then you fight a bunch there. Perhaps some could even be switched with helicopter chases?
I have an upcoming short that goes over helicopter chases :)
@@AllFatherMedia haha awesome!
I'll have to sub then! 😉
Fantastic video man. Loved it. Would love to see more from you on here
Appreciate the kind words, that's the plan!
Honestly whenever I see an out of control car I just ignore it, it’s basically a cutscene lol
Personally, I still play The Amazing Spider-Man games. They are so much fun to me.
2:44 lmao I feel like I’m the only one who likes tasm swinging, I probably only like it for it’s cinematic effect (it’s not centered on spider-man, instead you just see spider man on the side, while also focusing on the city).
Definitely agree on your points about losing momentum for running and in general all of the moves that cause him to stop in his tracks. I loved TASM 1 because you always felt agile and it made for super fluid fights in the air or on the ground. I even liked how the swinging looked at times like when you fought the skyscraper sized robots, even though I always preferred free roam swinging in SM2. It’s hard to think of a good balance unless they provide user preferences for swing style, movement style, etc, and have them all work in harmony no matter what combination the user chooses. Spider-Man 2 pendulum swings/slingshots/roof-running plus TASM1 web shots/web rush plus Insomniac combat/animations/everything else with some level of customization would be amazing! Great analysis!
it'd be sick as fuck if you could land on a car, flip throw it up and catch it with a web between two buildings
I kinda want to create giant webs to catch enemys or cars, and also use for stealth, I also realy really want 2 handed swinging.
If you want to be able to do some manipulative stuff with your webs? We gotta keep the aiming system for that to EVER come towards reality.
I hope insomniac studies up with this video as a reference
Meanwhile there is me who beat both Spider-Man and Miles Morales 100% and I just play the game to swing around the game. Have spent hours literally just swinging because of how much I just seem to enjoy it. Idk to me it's just very satisfying.
I will add though, I would genuinely love to see improvements to the swinging.
So basically increse momentum
The way he goes into swings before web even shoots ruins it for me. How could they fuck that up
Probably a quality of life change, because you can’t really control where the web goes, which means if they actually modelled the web shooting and attaching before beginning the swing animation, there would be a random delay every time you go to swing which would make it hard to control (not hard in a high skill ceiling way - hard in a jaggy way)
The fact we don't have freedom in ths Insomniac's games it what bothers me the most. Since whe game was announced, seeing the character going almost into the ground but bein suddenly stopped by what seemed like a glide was disapointing to say the least. With no risks, there is no reward, and what could be better than being encouraged to risk to feel as a true web-swinger? Unfortunately it's taken away from us.
They should add attaching guys to the poles again
you mentioned everything I wanted to see in the 2nd game, great video
I hope we can get human segments with Peter and miles maybe find gadgets and equipment around the city helping out citizens as a normal person and more
9:52, coincidentally he showed arguably the best movies out of each different franchise SM2,TASM,NWH
2, 1, 3
I agree spiderman feels floaty in the first game. I wish we had more control like spiderman 2. A little bit skill based swinging
You mean not being able to control Spider-Man when he's swinging?
@youngspecial64 you could control spiderman while he's swining in og spiderman 2. It's just not over the top
Having a swining mechanic that is a bit more mechanical like spiderman 2 would make swining feel more immersive. Like it's a simulator. To me that's more immersive because it makes you feel like spiderman. And not like you are watching a movie
I do agree with what you're saying about nearly all of this. The only real gripe I have is the prompts to do a loop de loop. I don't want that being reduced to just a quick time event. I want to feel like you're in complete control of what you do when you hold on to the webs as long as you want to. It especially comes into play if you've been playing OG Spider-Man 2 all the way up to Web of Shadows. I can't tell you how many times I just spent so many hours in all 4 games, just fucking with the physics-based system. I just love it and have a moderate experience with it. Without that system, half of the stylish shit I can do while swinging just won't be possible.
Considering Insomniac made wall running automatic, this isn't far fetched
Absolutely fantastic video. I felt very "heard" watching this lmao
For example the being able to shoot webs while in motion thing. I have been thinking about how they could implement that without making the webshots not work in combat for a long time.
My "solution" was that holding L1 to open the gadget wheel and then pressing L3 (cuz that button is associated with falling) would let you toggle between using webs/gadgets killing your movement, and maintaining it.
However your idea of simply holding L2 to do so in aim mode is a MUCH more elegant solution
There's a lot of ideas I'd have for improving the sequel's traversal, but I'm too lazy to write them all down, so I'm just gonna talk about the one that doesn't actually have anything to do with webs at all.
You talked about the sprinting speed killing your momentum completely, and I couldn't agree more.
Grounded movement in these games is genuinely painful, with you probably needing legit 20-30 seconds of sprinting to cover the distance travelled by a single webswing.
The sequel NEEDS to adress grounded traversal, because it cuts off an entire layer of stylish movement, by just being so painfully slow that it completely kills any and all desire to implement it into city traversal.
A severe flaw being the parcour. It feels pretty clearly like they mo-capped animations and then used them 1-to-1 in the game without any sort of exaggeration done to account for the fact you are controlling a superhuman character.
You mentioned Prototype, and in that game when parcouring over a car instead of hopping on the back and limply flipping off the front, Alex Mercer leap across while sliding his hands along the roof.
In my opinion the parcour animations in the sequel desperately need to be tuned to be able to hold up with the web swinging somewhat, so there's actual reason to do it and it's not just you intentionally needing to make the choice to completely kill your speed for one nicely animated flip at a snail's pace.
You could even add some sort of manual input, with maybe one button (X I guess) sending Spidey to leap off the parcour object in a high arc, and another (O or □) instead making you travel across it in a lower angle.
With the button input maybe having a timing to it for more speed, similar to the point-launch.
That'd instantly make parcour way more engaging, give you more control, and add reason to actually use it, by maybe doing it down on the streets to leap up at a building, run along it and then swing onto a nearby roof to parcour off a chimney, sending yourself at a low enough angle to instantly be able to catch the side of the building you just crossed with your web. Idk it's hard to put into words, but it'd be super sick.
I'd have a ton more ideas but too lazy to write them down, so last thing I'll say is:
I wish wallrun went back to needing to be its own dedicated input instead of Peter automatically doing it whenever he swings into/close to a wall. It removes a lot of control from the player imo
Anyway, great vid. Thanks for being clearly appreciative of Insomniac's work, while not feeling afraid to be critical of the system.
Not a fan of how often suggestion for improvement is looked at so antagonstically by fanboys
Nobody talks about Spider-man 3 on PC .... All amazing ideas man, really good video.
I'd like to be able to climb the web, splat against walls, walk on the ground while still swinging cuz your arch stretched farther than i anticipated.
Etc
Insomniac purposely made Spider-Man not do that as to not kill momentum.
@@Andy.G8 yes, because as much as people like how the swinging looks, there's no skill/learning curve to it whatsoever. players are handheld, guess Insomniac took inspiration from MCU spiderman lmao
@TheInfamousLegend27 i dunno what you're talking about. mcu Spider-Man sucked at swinging during his initial days. he fell flat, he was scared of heights. his actual swinging was at the ending of far from home .
if anything they took more inspiration from raimi movies where Spider-Man just...floats
@@rohithkumar8708 you missed my joke, fucking hell....
Insomniac took inspiration because like MCU iron man, they're hand-holding us with their swinging system much like stark tech handholds spiderman for 3 whole films.
Idk why but really none of the spidey games really captured the sense of momentum while webswinging. This is so important to me yet not a single game got this right. I need something close to that intial swinging scene from TASM2. Maybe the next Spider-Man game after Insomniac's trilogy can do it?
There are Spider-Man games that have reached faster speed than the opening scene of TASM 2 lmfao 💀💀
Web of Shadows swinging was so fast that the game would crash cause the console couldn't keep up
@@DatPRGuy2017 what I'm saying is the sense of momentum, not how fast you can go. You don't feel the weight of swinging in any of the spider-man games.
@@RiceTilts Now you're just making shit up💀💀
@@DatPRGuy2017 i don't think you understand what I'm saying. What shit did I make up?
@@DatPRGuy2017 Sense of momentum is about you actually feeling like you are at the end of the pendulum being swung by it. "Swinging" unrealistically fast like in WoS doesn't help with having better sense of momentum in the swinging. You get me right? Its not just about speed, its more about game physics, fov, etc.
Small details that I want to see in Marvel's Spider-Man 2. In the first 2 Insomniac Spidey games, we always hear people say “taxi", but no taxi ever bothers to stop. Hopefully in the next game, you can make taxi's stop, that way the taxi takes the NPC to their next location. Another idea, maybe one you stopped a crime or 2, you get tired. So you get to sit at a chair nearby, maybe talk to people while doing so. Another idea, perhaps you can go to a shop after stopping a crime, get some donuts & say thanks to the person you bought them from. This would really help interacting with New Yorkers feel “real". If you know what I mean. Also, I'm hoping we see more body types for the women of New York. Seeing the exact same NPC's over & over again gets tiresome & boring. Maybe spice it up a bit. Add new male models too, to balance things out.
I also wrote an article on this subject for FandomWire! fandomwire.com/marvels-spider-man-2-insomniacs-web-swinging/
The solution for web swinging that would satisfy everyone's wishes for the system is simple: customization. Do you want an accessible pick-up-and-play experience to look cool easily? Or do you want something more hardcore, with physics and momentum and fall damage and no hand-holding? That choice should be up to the player, with as many customization options as possible.
15:24 Whatd be cool would be for the quicktime events with the analogue direction giving you an option of where you want to shoot the webs and it changes the animations for it
I believe that should only belong to the aiming system because it's more engaging within a gameplay standpoint.
But i get what you mean.
Why do people have such a strong taboo against fortnite? They almost perfected web swinging
Because Fortnite is goddamn cringe. Yes it has damn good web swinging, but it still doesn't save the game from being a piece of shit.
@@ultimatecontagion just say you suck at the game
@@ultimatecontagion ur just trash bru 😭
Solid ideas, really wish you had brought up wall combat from web of shadows tho 😭
Yeah it was amazing, I might make another video with more focus on combat
Speaking of wall combat, Insomniac can pull it off. They already have. At the end of Spider-Man 2018, Peter gets his web shooters crushed. So be fights otto on the side of a building. Just imagine being able to do that in Marvel's Spider-Man 2, with a new enemy type.
@@AllFatherMedia yes web of shadows king of DMC or Street fight for SM game
@@danielmontero8200But that was super basic tho. You were only really just dodging and waiting for the opportunity to attack
Whereas WOS had a whole moveset for when you were on a wall
@@DatPRGuy2017 You are absolutely right. I'm just saying that they can build upon their own foundation. By adding a whole lot more. Just imagine being able to fight on walls in Marvel's Spider-Man 2, without those crazy flash effects from Spider-Man Web of Shadows.
Loved the things you talked about. I definitely like how use used the best traits in almost every Spiderman game some features I had forgotten. You’ve earned yourself a sub my man keep up the vids can’t wait to see more!
Honestly I think y’all are giving insomniac non existent barriers. What I mean is yes, their engine they are working with never had a true “physics simulation” but that doesn’t mean you can’t still achieve it with more tweaks and changes. For example just make webs be an actual entity that can bend and contourt when it meets an object/building. They already do this kinda thing just not with the webs. That is just one example, I don’t want to list everyone that could be made but my general point is it’s not borderline impossible for them to make this happen
This video needs to blow up and ppl at insomniac need to see this bro. Nothing but purely constructive criticism for the betterment of the game and web swinging.
You make good points that should be addressed by Insomniac for future Spider-Man IP. Great video, can't wait to see more!
Great vid I've been saying this for the longest. The swinging needed much work. After I beat the game, swinging was boring. If insomniac cant change the engine they can add things that make you feel more in control like how long you can swing close to the ground or how many webline you can shoot. Combat needs alot more too considering the amount of things you could do in the original Spiderman 2 web attacks. Pile driver, sticking enemies to poles. So many options.
Live stream I did with @SlightStardustAgain going over more Marvel's Spider-Man 2! - ruclips.net/user/livezeGQZiivCGk?feature=share
15:02 what if you had to use the controller like a steering wheel to steer spiderman
Never thought id hear someone from Liverpool make a video analysis on the mechanics of spider mans web swinging in video games but here we are
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@@AllFatherMedia great video tho!
My wishes are
Fall Damage: Some people might not like this but fall damage encourages players to get better at web swinging. Also its pretty funny to watch spiderman go splat when jumping off a skyscraper
Traffic light and pole tricks: THIS I want to return really badly. In the original spiderman 2, you could grab traffic lights and poles and spiderman would flip on the bars to propel himself forward or if you waited a bit he'd automatically perch
Parallel attachments. In spiderman 2, you could swing two web likes at the same time between two buildings, hold and launch yourself forward
Collision Physics. Again in spiderman 2, if you touched a wall spiderman would use his hand to run along the wall while holding on the web line. You could also smack right into a wall and lose health and spin out of control
traffic light feature alrdy in the first game
Yh that game was really good
18:48 as much as I don't like that writing decision in the movie...that wpuld make a pretty COOL suit😂🤷♂️🔥
I’ve been saying this for a while, I want his sprint speed to increase, especially if you hold jump while running