I love the opening of Blade Runner 2049 - it really makes that explosion of colour in the city even better. Much like how almost all of Prisoners was very muted, until you get hit by the red and blue flashing lights towards the end. Really enjoyed this list, a few more to add to the my wishlist!
That opening was written for the original film but not used. I dare say that if Ridley Scott had have shot it he'd have found a way to make it really hit us between the eyes. As it is I find it creates a bad first impression. But if we all thought the same about everything we'd have nothing to discuss. I suspect I'll enjoy the film much more when I do watch it again but no sequel to Blade Runner ever stood a chance really so I need to cut it some slack for that reason. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I adore BR 2049 as much as the original, and I think it's a stunning example of how a significant distance in time can work for a sequel. I saw it at IMAX and I was fine with the muted palette. I'm curious if you know about Vincent Teoh's analysis of it over at HDTVTest a couple of years back? He concluded that it was a fake HDR movie, in that the specular highlights were no brighter on the 4k than on the Blu-Ray. The resolution was upscaled but it was still an SDR movie. The brightest scene on the disk is a company logo, at a bit over 300 nits! No part of the movie proper is greater than 200 nits. Apparently the cinematographer, Roger Deakins, hates HDR with a passion. Go figure. That said, I am in two minds as to whether increasing the dynamic range in scenes such as the exterior scene when K is interacting with the advertising AI would improve the movie or whether it would spoil the film's meditative tone.
@@TheRealPotoroo I expect it was made as a slightly muted looking movie to give it the desired atmosphere. With it being muted it should mean that it doesn't look too different between the Blu-ray and the 4K but I can't recall now. My recommendation is to not take any notice of what electronic measurements may tell us because all that matters is how it looks to the human eye. My first impression of Blade Runner 2049 was not very good but going back and looking at it again for this video gave me a much more favourable impression. It's biggest failing is that it's not the 1982 film but that was inevitable. There are some great scenes though and I thought the virtual reality girl was adorable. John.
Just noticed I've missed a few of your videos and not a single notification! I'll check in manually from now on. Thanks for the video, john. Some good picks.
I think "Passengers (2016) is an outstanding example of a movie shot in greater than 4K video, that also has a 4K transfer. It was also my first 3D acquisition (included with the 4K release) and I got it after Optoma released a firmware upgrade for my UHD50, which made it Blu-ray 3D compatible.
I have Passengers on Blu-ray and it's fabulous. But sadly, having it on Blu-ray means I've never found an excuse to buy it on 4K. A great movie as far as I'm concerned. John.
@@moviecollector5920 The 4K release that I picked up on sale was a real bargain, as it included the 4K HDR version, the 3D BD, the regular BD and a digital copy.
When a movie has a 3D version I pick up the 3D disc over the 4K every time. Even if it doesn’t have a 3D disc but I saw it in the theater in 3D I can’t bring myself to buy a flat backwards 2D version. The new Bond movie is an example.
Another great video once again. I would be rather intrigued to see a 4K Top 10 Best Sound video, rounding up the best audio quality that the format has to offer. I feel that both sound and picture are equally important when viewing a 4K disc, especially with your home cinema screen. It would also be interesting to see what are the worst 4Ks you have in your collection. Part of me wishes to stick to Blu-ray (and DVD) due to the inconsistencies of 4K regarding sound and picture quality. It just seems a little bit inconvenient to have to fiddle with my settings every so often. Hope to see more content from you. - Cameron.
The worst 4K I've seen in Gemini Man but that's because of how it was made and nothing at fault with the 4K disc per se. Probably the worst with regard to how a film or video has been transferred or converted to a 4K disc is The Hunt For Red October which is far too dark. I knew Sean Connery was in that one though because I could hear him. The 4K discs and the processes involved in creating them are rarely the problem, it's usually down to how a movie was shot that shows up more with 4K because so much effort is put into producing the best representation of each movie. Because the image quality is the best possible for home video anything that wasn't quite right on the day of filming shows up more than it did before but most people who review these discs get that sort of thing wrong and that is possibly what's given you the impression there are more problems than there really are. There are occasions such as The Meg where the HDR application hasn't been done entirely right but issues like that are not particularly common. Sound used to be more important because 30 years ago there wasn't a viable option for projecting video in the home so we had to be content with a telly. As video has progressed sound has become less important and those of us who have been playing at home cinemas for a long time have generally achieved sound systems that were unimaginable 30 or 40 years ago and the result is that even movies with soundtracks recorded down tin cans and string sound good. There are sometimes soundtracks that stand out but those can distract as much as enhance the viewing of the film. Dune might be an example of that but I really enjoyed the sound on that one even if it was better than the picture quality. If you do go down the 4K disc route get a Panasonic player with the HDR button on the remote control and then any fiddling is just the press of a button. But you won't even to use that very often. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for the response, John. I'm sure that I will invest in a Panasonic player at some point. I must have just made the wrong choice with the one that I bought. I'll probably sell it at some point. Hope to see more videos soon. - Cameron.
Another great video! I was so skeptical of Ford vs Ferrari (otherwise known as Le Mans '66) but I really enjoyed the film immensely. Keep up the good work.
Good to know you really enjoyed Ford v Ferrari Henri. One day I'll find out how they managed to make a video look so much like film which is a big part of its success. John.
Hi John, hope you've been well! Just rewatchd this video after seeing 2049 last night. the 4K disc is in the aspect ratio of 2:35:1, but I found a copy that has the full open matte visuals (same aspect ratio as what they play in imax cinemas) and I truly believe that the film is more impactful and stunning when watching the open matte version. Althougth the open matte version is only 1080p and the color is a little blocky sometimes, its definitely watchable even for our high-quality standards. I saved this film for Friday night so I could crank up the volume and shake the house with the bass that's included on the atmos track, its truly incredible. have a great day, John!
I don't think I knew there was a 1.78:1 ratio version of Blade Runner 2049 Clark and I think I would have preferred to see that because I don't think too much of it as it is. Actually, I think the story is a little bland and the whole look of the film doesn't match what Ridley Scott managed to create for us in 1982 but a narrower aspect ratio might have really helped. I will watch this one again as I do want to like it, I've just found it so disappointing both times I've watched it so far. In places it does look pretty great though. John.
@@moviecollector5920 The director of photography said the film looks better with the 2:35:1 ratio. I think that's complete tosh. The film needs the 16:9 aspect ratio to show the true scale of some of the scenes. with the black bars, its almost like having a small screen with big sound, but when you watch the open matte version with loud sound, it feels almost like a religious experience, it's unreal. I found the film was a lot better when looking at it from a sort of "Character Study" more than replicants and dystopian worlds. If walking into the film, expecting something like the old blade runner then I think that's a plan for disappointment, but when looking at it from a sort of "Taxi driver or Joker or Drive" perspective, then I think the film is phenomenal.
I had to chuckle when you held up FF8. I couldn't imagine you sitting through a whole F&F movie - I gave up on them years ago. But, on your recommendation I will try some of the later ones. Thx for another great video John!
I need to watch another one sometime. Number 8 was so ridiculous but it was great fun and at a time when cars are being vilified in general it's great to see them being used to the extreme to make a hugely enjoyable movie for youngsters to see. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I would recommend Fast Five especially, and also part 6. I think those are my favorites of the series. Furious 7 would then connect those with the one you saw recently, and it is fun, too, though it gets too a bit too outrageous for me even by that point--still enjoyable, though!
I was suspicious about Le Mans '66 (Ford V Ferrari) but I also had to check Hunter Killer because that one looks filmic too. A few of them do but as a general rule video does still look like video and film is still the king. But it's certainly getting closer. John.
Great review and nice collection John 👍 I've got most of the movies on Blu-ray and Valerian on 4k. Plus I've got the 1984 version of Dune on 4k, Knives out and TOP GUN also on 4k but I can't watch Top Gun yet as the security tag was left connected to the case plus I've bought a few Blu-ray's.
Top Gun is surprisingly good quality given it was Super 35. Backdraft had the same Super 35 origin and that looks terrific too so there's something about the reduced version of 35mm that seems to work. I had a DVD once that still had the red tag left in place but I managed to chop it out. Not sure it did the DVD case much good but it saved taking it back to the store it was purchased in. I bought a copy of Knives Out yesterday following a few comments on here which confirmed the poor trailer did not represent the final product. I hope you get Top Gun sorted out soon so you can enjoy it before seeing the sequel. HMV have currently got some good offers on Tom Cruise movies due to the Top Gun sequel being released in cinemas. I got two of his films on 4K that I didn't have before for £10 each. John.
Always a pleasure viewing your uploads John,Thank you.For all the lovely 4k’s ive seen nothing comes close to the blu ray of “How the west was won” everything looks so epic just extraordinarly impressive.The whole cinerama presentation is something else Are you fan of westerns? Just watched arrows marvellous release of Sam Peckinpahs Major Dundee,Another fascinating film from the man
'The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm' was the only other true Cinerama feature film and that's just been released on Blu-ray so there's another you'll have to get. I hope it looks as good as 'How The West Was Won'. i do like westerns but have never seen Major Dundee. I think that one was featured in Cinema Retro magazine recently so it's another one that's on my radar for a purchase. That magazine causes me a lot of expense! John.
@@MovieMad1 The Towering Inferno was shot 35mm but there were 70mm blow-up prints for premiere cinemas. 65mm shoots for 70mm were more or less a thing of the past by the 1970's but there were exceptions and fortunately there still are today. Major Dundee was 35mm only.
Another great video John :) There's a few films in ur collection that I haven't seen yet like 1917, The Meg, Le Mans '66, Valerian and The Shallows. I need to check them out at some point. Lucy and Blade Runner 2049 are probably the best films in ur collection among the ones I've seen.
These are the best movies shot on video that I could find so there are much better out there that were shot on film. I wanted to make this video because I realized that there weren't any movies shot on video in my top ten except perhaps for Le Mans '66 but I just couldn't decide if that was better than Jaws or not. As it happens, a couple of other 70mm films have appeared in my top ten now so neither Jaws nor Le Mans '66 would make it into the list any longer. They are both GREAT 4K discs, no doubt about that. John.
A nice and very varied list of movies in this Top 10. Perhaps you might consider releasing a Top 10 releases of the year on 4K UHD Blu-ray at the end of each calendar year? Thank you John.
I don't see them all Cheekster but maybe I'll include something in a review towards the end of the year. I tend to leave all these "I need views" type of videos to others but top tens are always fun to do. And we have had the extra special 'Get Carter' 4K this year as well as the fabulous film from Edgar Wright 'Last Night In Soho' so that's two films for the list immediately. A good excuse to watch them again too! John.
Hey John, agree that the visual quality is the kicker for me to buy a 4K disc. Agree that scope is my favorite aspect ratio and my screen is fixed width 2.35. I was pleasantly surprised to see you give "The Shallows" a shout out. I think that "Lucy" is a wonderful print on the 4K disc. "Le Mans" is a stunner. On the HT news front. It's all boxed and I'm a little sad. However the new room is about 20% bigger and further away from the main part of the house. Nearest neighbor is about half a mile. Thanks my friend.
You're going to have fun putting the new home together Rob, particularly the new home cinema. I found I was getting a bit frustrated doing mine but that was because I'd forgotten how troublesome it could be to get curtains and masking working 100% via X10 automation. I've pretty much got there now and have made quite a few improvements too... just in time to get builders in!!! Sound on action movies is always pretty darned fabulous nowadays so unless there's one that comes along that stands above all others there's not really much to talk about with regards to sound. Image quality on the other hand is fundamental to a 4K disc release. Others don't agree with us there but that's how I think about it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 hey John. We're drowning in the stress and work of selling two houses and buying one. Things will start to get back to normal in Mid July. Stay well.
Hi , isn’t it strange how they don’t advertise 4K ultra hd discs on tv , is this due to the fact that some are not true ,and almost like an upscaled blu-Ray , maybe not as all seems , what are your thoughts ?
The market for 4K discs is still very small Ginger Ninja and despite the years Blu-ray has been available DVD is still outselling Blu-ray. If a better name more representative of what a Blu-ray disc is had have been adopted right from the start then perhaps the home movie market would be in a much better position today as a lot of people don't understand what it is owing to that 'Blu-ray' name. But in my opinion, the basic answer to your question is that there's little money from 4K disc sales and little incentive to spend big sums on promotion. Also, the big studios would probably prefer to simply sell us all a direct download or stream and therefore not have to bother with all the hassle and expense of producing complicated discs. John.
As there is no perceptible difference between 2K and 4K I really don't think there's any point Leon. Shooting a movie at 8K and shrinking it down for a 4K disc is a different matter but I think that will be limited for many years to come. Most cinema screenings in the UK are 2K and they get away with it so there's probably not much of an appetite for upgrading all the 2K and 4K video projectors in cinemas again already. However, television manufacturers will want to convince us all that 8K is better even if you can't tell the difference. I think all this constant upgrading is helping to kill cinema. It's a bit of a worrying time in that regard really. John.
@@moviecollector5920 certainly cinema going isn't as mainstream as it used to be (I remember films regularly selling out when I was a kid) and not just the biggest releases either. I for one try to go quite often & I've always take my children all the time, so hopefully they grow up to love going as much as I do. I totally agree about there being no need for 8k TV's, maybe they should improve the HDR on some manufacturers sets, as for me, decent implementation of high dynamic range is the biggest enhancement we've seen since HD sets first arrived.
@@Brookes79 When you think about how awful flat screen tellies were when they came out it does indicate that high definition was vital to put us back to the standard we enjoyed with cathode ray tube tellies. I was at one of the first demonstrations of C-MAC in the 1980's which was the original iteration of higher definition and it was 1250 lines as I recall. That was killed and turned into sub-standard D-MAC before it died altogether. It was better than the HD that did finally come about and may even have some superior qualities to 4K which does appear to struggle with certain patterns and colours whereas C-MAC demonstrated full capabilities in those same areas. As for cinema, older people hardly seem to go any longer but that may improve once they all get over the Covid-19 scare even if that may take some time yet. When films such as Death on the Nile and Last Night In Soho barely make an impact it suggests that something is going wrong and I can't see how cinema can survive by simply churning out comic book superhero movies time after time. It's a bit of a worrying time for cinema, particularly as cinemas have had cost passed onto them that used to be borne by distributors and studios. Constantly updating to the latest video projector is not going to be possible everywhere whereas before the 35mm machines had been in place for decades. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Early flat screens really bad, I vaguely remember plasma screens losing their contrast over time & looking extremely dull. CRT definitely had its benefits , even over modern screens. I too worry about cinemas, I just went last night to see The Massive Weight of Unbearable Talent at the Trafford centre & there were only 10 people there to see it (good film by the way) & that included me & a friend. I suppose years ago you had to go see a big film at your local picture house, as it took so many years to be released on VHS & even longer to be finally shown on TV.
@@Brookes79 And the cost of taking a family to the cinema now means it's not an option for many. For others, it's better value to wait a few months and stream the same movie onto the home tv set. Studios seem to want to change the market so they are selling directly to homes rather than exhibition houses and the pandemic has fuelled that somewhat.
I'd already inadvertently done that ReservoirFrog because The Top Ten 4K Ultra HD In My Collection were all film. That's really why I did this 'shot on video' follow up because there are some great looking movies shot on video, just not quite up to the standard of film yet but getting very close. John.
Nice one John. Di you you have a new camera by the way? The Fast And Furious films are all of their time but it is all one long story really. So maybe a treck through the earlier one's in sequence would make for better viewing. I think you'll enjoy the 2nd one more. The 3rd goes off boil a little but part 4 is really good. That's as far as my wife and I have got. Lamon 66 is a brilliant film. Sad but brilliant. Deep Water Horizon is very good and I enjoyed The Meg as some mindless fun. I need to see all the others though. Great video John as always. I wish I could do overlays in my videos but the editing software on my phone doesn't have that capability. Trevor
A computer is the only way to do editing the way I do it Trevor so there's a challenge for the future. I recorded the piece to camera in the morning and set about editing it all together from around 11am. That took all day as I go through it and through it and through it to try to ensure everything is as smooth as possible. The camera's been recording these videos for almost 18 months now but I've been playing with the grading to try to bypass RUclips's translation messing up how the end product looks. This one worked a little better than previous attempts but it is annoying that I put a video together that looks rather good and then it gets turned to mush and has altered colours once it's uploaded. I'll try another Fast & Furious video sometime. That first one put me off so it was a nice surprise to see that they're putting enjoyable nonsense together these days thanks to Mr. Perry sending me number 8. John.
I'm curious, have you seen Sicario and/or The Revenant? As far as I'm concerned, both but especially Sicario are fantastic movies, and both have excellent 4K transfers. In the wake of digital photography, both are massive standouts and I'd recommend both for a try. Sicario was shot by Roger Deakins, The Revenant was shot by Emmanuel Lubezki who shot Gravity and Children of Men.
I have The Revenant on Blu-ray Bowser but haven't seen that movie nor the others you mention in 4K. Sicario has now been mentioned a couple of times. Gravity was a great video but looked rather bland at the BFI IMAX where it was 3D and filled the 90 foot wide screen. An example of the standard Blu-ray being a better presentation in the home than at a cinema. Looks like I'll be giving Sicario a try sometime soon. John.
What's up you movie collector you! Lol. I'm one of those that regards sound just as important as the picture and luckily, these days, bad soundtracks, aren't very common so for the most part we all get the best of both worlds! I can say that the movies I've seen on this list for the most part, have pretty dynamic soundtracks! Just thought I'd throw that out there since you are a visual guy lol. It's all good John I'm just tripping out on you! I enjoy your videos and look forward to them! I keep wondering when we'll be getting release upgrades hopefully in 4k of True Lies, The Abyss (I read this one is on its way), Armageddon, Crimson Tide, and U571 to name a few! We can only hope!
Before it was possible to video project to any sort of quality I was more interested in sound but it's a secondary consideration now that we do have the possibility of projecting video to the standard of film in the home. Having THX also means that just about everything sounds pretty darned wonderful so it's even less of a consideration but there are exceptions and whereas the recent Dune release sounded terrific the image quality didn't match it. The Abyss was a very good 'Scope Super 8 release so I think you can be assured a 4K release of that one will be pretty special. It's another Super 35 production and that particular 35mm format seems to punch above its weight judging by Top Gun and Backdraft. Deep Impact would surely be preferable to Armageddon which a whole group of us went to see from work when it was first released but none of us particularly enjoyed. As for U571, that's an example of Hollywood re-writing history but the concerning thing is that some people believe it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Unfortunately, Hollywood changing up facts is more common than not! We have to choose to watch or not but not to take movies to seriously and use for intended purpose of entertainment! If one believes every movie is factually correct that displays "based on a true story" or "based on true events" then one will be sorely dissapointed if they know the facts. U571 has a great cast and is highly entertaining to me, but that's all it is. Deep Impact is really good too and would like to have it released in 4k soon, I slightly prefer Armadeggon but that's just my preference.
@@gilbertrios5283 The trouble is that people believe films based on facts. The biggest problem film in this regard that I can think of is Braveheart. A great film but a work of fiction that too many people believe is what really happened. John.
Le Mans '66 (Ford v Ferrari) captured my attention. I'll be ordering it for sure. My father retired from Ford Motor Company. Years ago we had the opportunity to take a ride in a 1928 Ford Trimotor while at an air show (Willow Run Airport). I have also been to the Edsel and Eleanor Ford House. It's located in Grosse Point Shores, Michigan. Everything in the entire estate (including the property it stands on) is absolutely breathtaking. The artwork (paintings, ect) alone in the mansion is worth $millions$. Now if I could only get my hands on a Ford GT, my world would almost be complete. I've been to Monte Carlo, Monaco. However it wasn't during the Grand Prix. The 2022 race date is just a few days away; May 29th. During my visit there I did learn a lot about Grace Kelly from our tour guide. I recently picked up a Blu-ray copy of Anne of Green Gables (1985), 30th Anniversary Edition. The video quality blew me away. It actually looked better than some 4K transfers I've seen. One of the things im learning about HD and UHD transfers is just how critical it is to actually have the original 35mm film negatives to work with.
I think Le Mans '66 is terrific and one of the best films of recent years. It sounds like you appreciate cars so I think you'll have a good time with it Eric. I've been to Monte Carlo many times myself but never to a Grand Prix. I used to love the Formula 1 series but lost interest soon after the plank of wood was put on the bottom of the cars after the Ayrton Senna crash and I never got back into it. Classic car racing is more of an interest for me now and I've been to several classic race meetings in the USA. Great times. Anne of Green Gables sounds interesting. It's not too unusual for a standard Blu-ray to look like a 4K or even better at times. I think I underestimated Blu-ray until 4K came out and I started to think a few Blu-rays were actually better. But it's not too essential to have the original camera negative for a 4K transfer because Apocalypse Now rather proved that the interpositive is almost as good. Using the negative does mean the grading all has to be reproduced from scratch and without a good 35mm print to check it against it surely can't be easy to get it spot on. Grading is worked out from the interpositive. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for the technical descriptions. It's awesome when someone like yourself is willing to interact and educate those that are passionate about home theater as a hobby. Have you ever flown on the SST Concorde? I've seen them perform but not as a passenger. I'm guessing that you've been to the Cannes' Film Festival more times than I've watched Star Wars A New Hope. My first 2 times was in a movie theater (1977); I was 9 years old.
@@ericlozen9631 Whilst I've been to Cannes many times I've never been when the film festival is on. Even when my parents were living a few miles away we never made the trip. But I did fly on Concorde and given my fascination for the history of how the sound barrier was broken and everything that went into it, it was astounding to be travelling at twice the speed of sound, eating a steak and also being able to use a toilet!!! An engineering triumph from a time when mankind was determined to overcome any obstacle thrown at us. We've somewhat lost that drive today but we'll get it back. John.
@@moviecollector5920 That's Awesome and what an opportunity. I'm not a mathematician but if I had to guess, I'd say that only 0.00000000001% of the world's current population can say that. In real life, George Kennedy (Airport '79) was an aviation enthusiast. He owned and flew a Beechcraft A36 Bonanza for many years. That model is excellent and has been around for decades. Newer models have been put into circulation over the decades but nothing like the frequency of car models.
@@ericlozen9631 Well that explains why George Kennedy kept returning to appear in the Airport films then. I have the Universal 8 2x400ft release of Airport 80 The Concorde but I think it's faded a bit now because it was pre-1982 low fade stocks. I love having anything on film with the Concorde in it. I can remember the days when Concorde was being tested and even at that young age I wanted to fly on it. In the end I felt that we had to do it when we did otherwise something would happen and we'd never get the chance. We flew 9 months before the servicing fault in Paris caused the Air France Concorde crash so we never go the chance to do it again. But at least we did it and that was a life ambition crossed off the list. Sadly it doesn't look like I'm ever going to have a trip to the moon now. John.
Great video as always John, i agree with your top ten list, have them all but one in my collection which is Le mans 66 which is called Ford vs Ferrari here, i have seen the movie just have not purchased it yet, the John effect will make me buy it now lol
You'll have to let me know if you find Ford V Ferrari the same as I Paul; namely looking just like a film and with very good colour. The sound ain't too bad either! John.
Hi Andrew, excellent video, thank you. I would like your advice. Can you tell me the best IMAX cinema in London. I remember you saying one cinema was technically better than others. I want to see the David Bowie film "Moonage Daydream" released in September in the most superior quality. Regards Sammy from Liverpool.
Morning Samuel. If the new David Bowie movie is screening anywhere in the West End then it should look pretty much the same as it's unlikely to be an IMAX film. To see true IMAX it needs to have been shot using IMAX 70mm cameras so I expect the new David Bowie movie will be a montage of film and video shot throughout Mr. Bowie's career. If my assumption is correct then the quality of this will be fairly low at times. The best cinema in London now is the BFI IMAX but it's not ideal for seeing widescreen movies as the genuine IMAX screen is so enormous that it's not possible to have masking to cover the top and bottom of that giant screen that won't have any image projected onto it. The Odeon Leicester Square appears to be the only remaining picture palace in the West End but you need to sit in the stalls and in the front half of the stalls to get the benefit of the big screen there. The Empire was the top cinema for a long time but some years ago it was broken up into two studios and what was originally the back half of the greatest auditorium in London is now passed off as IMAX which it isn't. They just project video in there so the days of 70mm premiere releases at The Empire are gone. It's very sad but cinemas are businesses and they have to do what is necessary to stay in business. It's such a shame that the IMAX name is being degraded in this fashion but what is an even bigger shame is that people in general think they are seeing IMAX when they are not. If Tenet, Dunkirk, Interstellar or The Dark Knight Rises ever gets advertised at the BFI IMAX and it's stated as 15/70 IMAX then that's the time to head to London to see what genuine IMAX is really like. The digital video equivalent is around 45K. Yes, that's forty five. John.
Should definitely check out Knives Out. Shot mostly digital but with a algorithmic grain filter and clever adjustments to the digital camera's color and contrast profiles, it fooled most people into thinking it was film upon release -- including me.
That sounds really interesting Tom. I do remember the barage of trailers for that film but my wife and I thought the movie itself looked truly awful and we were put off of ever wanting to see it. But it could be that the solution they used to make a video look like film was similar to that used for Le Mans '66. And that is great news because there's a chance all movie makers will adopt it as time goes on. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I would definitely give it a chance. Easily Rian Johnson's best film and much smarter and funnier than the trailers would suggest. But also a film where you have to pay close attention -- a repeat viewing is almost mandatory. Ana De Armas is absolutely wonderful. And I had no idea Daniel Craig had such a knack for comedy. A real whip-turn from Bond.
@@Downhuman74 All Ana De Armas has to do is stand there and she'd be wonderful! It's going to take a big effort to sit down to watch Knives Out after that trailer. It must have done a lot of damage if it really is a good film because the trailer really succeeded in making it look like one of the most awful movies ever made. What a shame. John.
@@moviecollector5920 The trailer really doesn't do it justice. It makes it looks a typical zany smart-ass comedy with a whodunnit wrapper. It's definitely a lot more than that. The actual comedic bits are much smarter than the trailer would have you believe and the stuff they show you in the trailer actually hits a bit differently in the context of the movie. And on top of all that, the movie actually has a surprising amount of heart to it. My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed it (our last theatrical movie before the pandemic hit). And de Armas just shines in this. It's her and Daniel Craig's movie all the way. She got a Golden Globe nomination for it -- well deserved.
Hello John, great video you have here! seems 2k digital intermediates have better bloody image quality than 4K digital intermediates! perhaps I might stop thinking so negatively about 2K di's. I witnessed the event of Baraka on 70 last night and can safely say that its better than an 8K tv you see in the store! the colors and clarity make it look absolutely out of this world! have a great day, John!
I was thinking about you this weekend and your 70mm adventure. Let me know if you get another video together as I don't want to miss it! As for 2K video masters, most cinema screenings over here now are 2K but people can't tell the difference so there is little point in cinemas spending vast sums of money on 4K video projector upgrades. 35mm projectors were always in situ for decades and sometimes in excess of 50 years and now they're pressured to keep upgrading to the latest video equivalent. It's ridiculous really. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I feel like as long as the projected image, when projected on a screen is actually true 4K, I would be over the moon with it. but nowadays, they just use 2K projectors and project it onto a gigantic screen, which then makes the image look like 720p. thankfully, at the Hayden Orpheum picture palace, they have true 4K projectors, then projected onto a pretty large screen, resulting in a true 3K image, which is the best quality I've seen from any cinema here in sydney.
@@ClarkTeddles The possible fly-in-the-ointment there is that so many movies that are issued today are 2K masters so even with a 4K projector it's 2K on screen. It would be interesting to be able to compare a genuine 4K to a 2K on a big screen so hopefully we'll be able to do that on the BFCC 24 foot screen if we can resurrect the convention soon. John.
@@moviecollector5920 surely dcp’s can store a full uncompressed movie in 4K. I have a terabyte of storage on my computer which would definitely be able to store a full uncompressed film. Apocalypse now in 2k had a uncompressed leak online and the file is 200 gb, so if it were in 4K, it would prolly be about a terabyte or closer
@@ClarkTeddles 4K is already compressed. Remember the frames from my Batman trailer at about 45mb each. Work that out as an uncompressed complete file and I don't think we'd have enough space anywhere much for a two hour film. I think the two minute trailer took up about 500Gb. Of course, it was impossible to stream it as a video as each frame was far too large to handle. It may have changed now but cinemas were downloading videos onto drive arrays to screen them. Initially they had a 35mm print running in synch with the video just in case of a breakdown. John.
If you're into HDR in terms of making bright objects brighter and really popping off the screen, I would recommend Alien Covenant. All the monitors and readouts on the ship really stand out, David's flare, rifle laser sightings, etc.
Unfortunately I already have that one on Blu-ray but don't think too much of the film. I will give it another try sometime though and it hasn't spoiled the original 1979 classic for me so perhaps I'll enjoy it more second time around. Then if I like it, a few years later maybe I'll give the 4K a try. Thank you for telling me it's a good 'un in terms of image quality. It was sadly shot on video which is a bit of a surprise as I would have hoped Ridley Scott would still want to use the best tools of the trade. Even sadder perhaps is that it only had a 2K master despite being shot 3.4K. Special effects requiring the downscale as usual I suppose. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Scott may have shot digitally because if it's shot on film, you have to dub it onto digital to do your effects. Shooting in digital eliminates that step. Matt Reeves shot The Batman in digital, finished it in digital, then copied it to film because he wanted the look of film, then back to digital for the theaters and for home media.
@@batman.darthmaul Dune was the same but that one didn't turn out too well. I suspect Le Mans '66 had the same treatment but that one did work. I've put a pre-order in for The Batman with HMV and having finally looked at the trailer for it, it does actually look interesting which is a nice surprise. Computer effects have become a bit of a problem for big budget movies requiring lots of special effects but Super 35 was a better solution. I expect another part of the reason that even Ridley Scott is now having to shoot his movies on video is because there aren't many people left who have good enough experience to shoot on film. That is becoming an increasing problem and one of the reasons why Super 8 is about to be re-launched by Kodak which is an attempt to get youngsters back into starting on film so they'll have the requisite knowledge to become top camera operators. John.
My list would be for movies shot on digital: The suicide squad Mad max fury road 1917 Aquaman Blade Runner 2049 Ghostbusters afterlife Godzilla v kong Logan Great list and video
I haven't got all of those titles Ghetti but I expect a few of them I don't have would have been knocking on the door to get into my top ten movies shot on VIDEO. You might have noticed that I don't use the word 'digital', which means 'binary', as film makers are only using 'digital' to make people think it's something better than shooting video. It isn't. I shoot video and I'd never bother to claim I shoot digitally. How else would we be shooting video today for crying out loud?!? Rant over. I'll go back to sleep now. John.
The suicide squad is absolutely up there. It was shot entirely on imax-cert red cameras. Its not going to be everyones cup of tea. But beyond some cg softness at times, it looks fantastic.
@@tatsumaru12345 The IMAX video camera used in the last Mission Impossible film gave incredible results so the possibility of superior looking movies on video is out there it's just that film makers are not using them yet. Must be due to cost or some other reason. Perhaps there are things that simply can't be done with them that conventional cameras handle or just handle them better. John.
wasn't blade runner 2049 shot on digital? i have a love and hate relationship with that movie because the first blade runner is one of my all time favorite films. but long story short,one if not the MAIN reasons i have a hard time watching the film is because in my opinion the image looks too "clean" or "sterile" it has a clinical look to it and i really wished that denis would have shot it on real film to give it that "retro look" so it would fit more with the original movie. i love grain in the picture,for me it gives a film that "real film look" that's why i prefer vinyl instead of cd. i need that noise and cracks the vinyl gives.
The image quality of the Blade Runner sequel is variable but a lot of it is very good. The image quality doesn't compare with the original but that was 35mm so quite superior to the rather basic video this one was shot in. I don't call video 'digital' as it's a meaningless term but it does make current movie makers who aren't able to use film feel better about themselves. I think video has improved so much that it's nothing to be embarrassed about now. John.
I rewatched 2049 right after Blade Runner, and appreciated its story more this time. I think it looks very good. It feels faithful in its design/art direction compared to the original, even though it's set years ahead and we're literally seeing this world through a different film-maker's lens. But yes, there's something magical about how the original looks, given it was shot on film.
@@johndoe6036 Evening John. One other thing that's possibly worthy of note is that the 1982 film on 4K looks just like a 35mm release print and is better quality than the sequel. I did see Blade Runner when it was re-released as the 'Director's Cut' but I can't recall how it looked; I was just pleased to get a second chance to see it on a big screen at the time. What I'm trying to say is that the 4K discs may actually be better than the original 1982 general release prints. John.
@@moviecollector5920 That's really high praise you've given for Blade Runner's 4k transfer. I've actually never seen it in the cinema, but I've heard about the potential of the format to deliver image quality on par with (or better than) titles originally released on film. One example I have experienced this with is Serenity (2005). I still enjoy the movie despite its technical flaws. Perhaps this added to the feeling that it was more like a smaller, rough-round-the-edges movie and presentation, as opposed to just another glossy tentpole film. At the three different cinemas I saw the film at, I remember a bit of weirdness with frame-rates, and the colour shifting on one of reel splices - all improved (to my eyes anyway) on 4k. Still, there's always a debate to be had around how authentic we want these transfers to be when compared with the original release versions. On that subject, it's worth looking into projects like "4k77" if you haven't already :)
@@johndoe6036 If LucasFilm give their okay for the 4K77 project I'll be in there like a flash. Similarly for 4K80 which is still being worked on I believe. It's so sad that such an historic piece of cinema such as Star Wars is not cherished in its original form. I enjoyed the first 'Special Edition' in 1997 but I don't want to see it again, except perhaps for the end Death Star battle which may have been even better than the original. Fortunately I have all three of the original Star Wars films on Super 8 so I don't have to bother with all the re-hashes. Blade Runner really is special on 4K. If I was offered a 35mm print and it was affordable then I'd have to buy it but the 4K is so good that it really does negate the need for a film print of that great movie. The sequel doesn't match it in terms of either the basic look and feel of that original film nor the image quality. I suspect I will enjoy the sequel more when I finally watch it again but I have tried it twice and felt disappointed on both occasions. With regards to image quality in cinemas, we have taken a step backwards but people are in general convinced that things are moving forwards with public relations campaigns claiming 'Digital' as often as possible. If we used the correct word of 'Binary' then it wouldn't all sound so wonderful and people would stand a chance of seeing 'digital' for what it really is. Don't get me wrong, I am astounding by the quality of video today but it is currently a step back on what we enjoyed in cinemas in days gone by. I think I need to finally give Serenity a try. John.
Greetings from a Sunny Canada 🇨🇦! All great movies! I find myself having to choose sound or video as the main reason for watching a new 4k movie these days. Very few seem to have both nailed down. I am a fan of Villeneuve and DUNE was amazing for me. It was streamed via Apple TV, but the damn thing kept me awake! I fell asleep twice..without ever finishing the old one. Let’s hope TOP GUN 2 🛩 is as good as they’re saying!
Dune is one of the best soundtracks I've heard Jeremy but the image quality didn't really work on either of my systems. I think Top Gun 2 is going to be a winner in that respect because it looks like they've used large format video judging by the previews that have been made available. It should be as good as the original in that regard anyway and we all know how good that one looks and sounds on 4K disc. Quite exciting really. John.
@@moviecollector5920 speaking of bad video, The Matrix Trilogy 4k set isn’t that great. Whites are constantly blown out and I have to be aggressive with my HDR settings to tame them. It’s distracting and ruins the suspension of disbelief for me. The 4th movie in the set was good visionally/sonically but story made me want to barf. Theatre with a Splash zone! 🤮 💦
@@jeremyj. To be fair though, The Matrix wasn't exactly the best looking film ever distributed to cinemas. But it was around that time when computer animation was driving movie making but the capability to output it in the same quality as 35mm didn't seem to exist. Have a look at the low quality of some of the computer generated images in The Matrix and it is really poor which may have meant the rest of the film was deliberately dulled down a bit to help make it all match somewhat better. John.
Lucy's VQ is amazing, did not know that it was shot on "Some" IMAX, that makes sense. Thanks for the video, I am going to buy "Hunter Killer"... I have not seen this and I love Butler. -Also saw "valerian and the city of a thousand planets" on Blu-Ray and it looked amazing, VQ must be Mindblowing on 4K. Should do a video on the "Best Movies" that also happens to have the best "4K Video Quality"...I always agree with you on: 1. Murder on the Orient Express (On of my favorite movies of all time, Top 15. Which says a lot, because I own about 2,000 movies) 2. Ford v Ferrari (Awesome on so many levels...and it is based off a true story, facts). 3. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Wild/Mind Blowing Movie & Great VQ. Not sure if I totally understand the movie after all these years, but maybe that is the point???) 4. The Dark Knight (One of the best movies of all time - IMHO - and the the IMAX shots are breathtaking. The ONLY I find distracting is the tall building in the very beginning, the vents in the building "Flicker" as the camera moves/zooms in. Distracts me every time. It is on the Blu-Ray & the 4K. I thought they would have fixed in the 4K OR the 4K would have had enough "Resolution/Disk Space" to fix it on its own) 5. Apocalypse Now 6. Others Now, I understand, not all GREAT movies have not made it to 4K...and not all great movies that have made it to 4K, do not all have great 4K VQ. And, great movies are subjective...I know there a TON of people that love the God Father Movies, but I fall asleep every time I try and watch them. Maybe you could separate the "Best Movie" with "Best 4K VQ" Categories: 1. Best B&W 2. Best Western 3. Best Musical 4. Best Sci-Fi 5. Best Action 6. Best Drama 7. Best Comedy 8. Best Detective 9. Best Whatever/Misc Just an idea to keep you busy for the next 2 years ;)
Now that would be quite a task to go through all the genres and it would be a tall order to come up with definitive lists because even with the two top ten 4K videos I've done so far I'm always chopping and changing and then when both have been finished I've realized I've missed off one or two. But you have a great list of 'Best movies' up there Bob. We have strikingly similar taste but I do think the third of the Christopher Nolan films in his Batman series is the best. So much of that was shot in genuine IMAX and it had better villains even though I realize people liked Heath Ledger as The Joker in the second film. John.
I saw Hunter Killer when it came out. I remember it having a drab color scheme and that's prevented me from buying it on video. Please correct me if I'm wrong? Keep up the good work with your movie picture quality recommendations, the're on the money! Thanks!!
It's a dark film Trevor so that's probably why you had that impression. However, it looks good at home here so perhaps you saw it at a cinema that had an old video projector because there are a lot of them about. Gone are the days of cinemas all enjoying similar high standards from 35mm film. Some of those 35mm machines had been in place since the 1930s and sometimes even earlier than that but video projectors are out of date in a few years. More regular expense to put cinemas at risk. John.
@@trevorbartram5473 It does look pretty terrific on my system Trevor so I think you saw a sub-standard video projection. It would be a good exercise to get that disc if you can find it cheap enough (sometimes goes for a tenner in HMV) to see if it's better at home than it was in the cinema. I would almost put money on that it would be better. John.
Important Note, when they list 3.4K that means it was shot on a ARRI Alexa of some kind. Only ARRI has 3.4K spec for resolution. This is also true for 2.8K, that means it is a older ARRI Alexa camera.
Thank you for that information Darren. I'll keep an eye out for that in future to see if there is a trend for better image quality despite the lower resolution which is evidently not the main factor in how the end product looks. John.
@@robertrobitaille320 Nothing wrong with a bit of tosh every now and then Robert. Valerian is wonderful looking rubbish so it's one of those works of art you can just look at as much as anything else. John.
I have The Revenant on Blu-ray and it looks good but I don't have the others. You are the third to recommend Sicario. Some have recommended Knives Out too and I found a copy of that today for £8 so I'll keep my eyes open. John.
All video cameras use computer files now Tom so the term 'digital' is only used to make current movie makers feel better about not using film. A bit daft really because video is so good now that it's nothing to be embarrassed about any longer. John.
fantastic video as always John. I was of the opinion that Fast and the Furious really was the bottom of the barrel for movie watching but I have to admit that parts 5 - 7 are pretty damn good. yet to see 8 and 9. thanks again for the recommendations my friend.
I nearly bought 9 today Bumper but that was in a branch of CEX and I couldn't face dealing with the staff! Maybe I'll visit again tomorrow and feel a little more motivated. John.
Nice video matey, I have to confess that i have not upgraded to 4K yet as was told in HMV that 4K is not selling as well as Blu ray or DVD by a member of staff and did read on google that there has been a slight decline in sales. So i am just getting blu rays for now but nice to see you like the format.
4K is currently 7% of the home video disc market David. It's grown substantially and that's why so many new titles have appeared lately. DVD is still the king but Blu-ray has finally reached equal sales of films but not of television series and other documentaries. If it had have been called something coherent rather than Blu-ray then it possibly would have taken over within a few years of launch. I plan to keep all my discs indefinitely so I'll be getting the 4K titles while they're available and will hopefully be able to enjoy them for decades to come. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Nearly all my TV shows are on DVD and look great upscaled. Most have never got a Blu-ray release. also, I hear that the Blu's released by MillCreek were of poor quality.
@@paulconway384 Funnily enough I just purchased a TV series on DVD today. Somehow it's not so important to have them on Blu-ray like it is with films. John.
Greetings Jeff. It really shouldn't be one of the best but it seems that the shrink down from the larger video formats have done the trick just like with genuine IMAX and VistaVision have with movies shot on film. Hope you're keeping well over there. John.
A film I bought purely for the video quality ( but not the story ) was Godzilla V Kong on 4k, absolutely stunning, coupled with a great audio. Deffo a demo disk for anyone coming round to see what 4k can do. I agree with Bond NTTD, my fav bond film ever ( live n let die was previously), Ive recently bought Batman and Dune on 4k yet to view but I bought DRIVE the other week and was still blown away by the PQ and AQ but then again its one of my fav films ever. I will purchase LeMans and Lucy cheers John.
Greetings Carl. I can't seem to generate the enthusiasm for Godzilla vs. Kong even though it's been selling quite cheaply on occasion. The original Godzilla/Gojira was good and I liked the Roland Emmerich version about 25 years ago but I struggle with all these monster mash-ups these days. I thought the most recent James Bond was pretty terrific and the image quality owing to the genuine IMAX sequences makes it even more special. I also thought Drive was rather wonderful and how it looked enhanced it further. Second Sight had 8000 of those special Collector's Edition packs and they've all gone so I reckon it's been surprisingly successful for them. Batman (1989) is a fabulous 4K disc too but Dune can disappoint if it displays too dark on your system. Not all systems have that problem but it was the same in cinemas with variable results in cinemas too so it's a bit of a strange one but I suppose we're all still learning. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Cheers John, hope you are well. Ive a few older films to watch yet that Ive recently purchased on 4k just not had chance to view due to Uni but now Ive a bit of time I will dust them off, they: The Ran (suppose to be stunning) BattleRoyale (tarantinos fav film) Crash Three Billboards outside Ebbing Ten Commandments ( which ive had a glance through and its beautiful) 1917 that Lucy looks great despite the bad reviews. cheers again Carl.
@@C4rL72 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri is a marvellous film. Lucy is a terrific ride so I don't understand why it received a bad reception. The Ten Commandments has the best colour I've ever seen on a home video (IB Tech process) and 1917 is one of the best quality movies shot on video so far, even if it does look a little fake perhaps. You're going to have a thoroughly good time going through that little collection. Right now, I'm setting up a Super 8 projector to have a look at Predator. John.
I haven't seen it. i did enjoy the original Stallone version but I only ever saw it the once and that was at the cinema upon first release. Maybe I should try that again first as all the comic book adaptations lately have rather put me off. I'm getting old! John.
@@moviecollector5920 you really should watch the newest one dredd 3d. I'm not privy to all the aspect ratio terminology and colour definitions etc but dredd had some amazing colours
@@backbackforward I might just do that soon but not in 3D. I'm not ready to give that old chestnut another try just yet but the time is coming again. When 3D is a novelty for an occasional bit of fun then it's okay but as a mainstream thing I don't have the patience for it. John.
@@backbackforward Picture quality suffers once 3D glasses are required. Having said that, I saw Omnimax 3D with liquid crystal glasses at Futuroscope years ago and that was astounding. Colour and clarity was maintained and being Omnimax meant that things really did come off the screen and go right past you. Nothing else has ever matched that. John.
It's possible he was created to play the part of Ken Miles. But he was a good Batman too even if not quite up to the height of Michael Keaton. I don't think there can be a petrol head on planet Earth that wouldn't enjoy Le Mans '66/Ford v Ferrari. John.
there is this new process of shooting a film on video and then later on transferring it to film to get the film look. Very interesting how film is still preferred in the digital age.
That was done for Dune but it wasn't exactly a success so back to the drawing board perhaps. Having said that, perhaps it was done for Le Mans '66 and if that was the case, that worked perfectly. John.
I probably will give the Lawrence disc a bit of a bash Doggo. It's pretty darned good on Blu-ray but it's a 65mm shoot so we all know it's going to be up there with the best. John.
@@moviecollector5920 it’s probably just the same disc as the paramount collection set just an individual release but reviewers have said it’s really good
@@GringoXalapeno I hope all the other reviewers have been able to point out that it's so good because it was shot on 65mm film for 70mm release. I live in hope that I've been spreading a bit of understanding in that regard because before I started this channel it did used to frustrate me that a review would claim a great transfer when it was the original format that was responsible for top-notch image quality. John.
@@moviecollector5920 the channel films at home is a huge champion of movies shot on film and he’s a young guy but has the strong opinion that older movies look better because they were shot on film with less visual effects
@@GringoXalapeno He's on the right track. Shame he's a bit too young to have been into Super 8 film collecting before the home video market got going because that's where all the lessons were learned for me and that started me off on a path from about the age of 3. John.
Could be Randy but if you do have another look at it see if it looks even better with the HDR/Dolby Vision turned down as you may find the colour and contrast improve further. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Just watched the movie again with Dolby Vision turned off and found that not only are the extra colours muted but also the amount of colour detail is missing. I prefer it with Dolby Vision on. Keep in mind I am watching the movie on a 65" LG C9 that I won the panel lottery on. Once I get my projector I will see if my thoughts change on the film.
@@randybradley4151 HDR can be turned down Randy and that sometimes makes a real difference to how good a movie looks. Sounds like Dolby Vision is either on or off. The Meg is so overblown that the exterior shots are best with it set to 25% or lower but then when the night scenes come on it's too dark. You just can't win sometimes!
Watching this made me realize my collection is almost entirely film based! Sheesh. I guess I have a type For me Lucy is the standard for video and HDR. If we get more like that I can't complain! Sicario and The Revenant were also pretty decent. Nothing special but it never bothered me that I was watching video so that's a win.
Ghost in the Shell is one I've somehow missed. Thank you for the recommendation. Most of my video collection has come from film originally. The simple fact is that as it stands today film is still the best image quality. Le Mans '66 has proved that the gap is narrowing though. John.
I agree with Lucy, the VQ is AMAZING, without being Over the Top VQ wise...like "Gemini Man". If you want to see an amazing "Window Into the World", what "Gemini Man" on 4K...VQ is so amazing, it is distracting at times.
@@bobswanson8464 Funnily enough, I can't stand the look of Gemini Man. But I think I'd consider it sensational in 3D because that seems to have been what the film makers were aiming for primarily. Apparently it was 120fps so that indicates to me that it was 60fps per eye and even though it looks unrealistic and more like a computer generated cartoon in 2D I suspect that would all be transformed in 3D as you get transported to another world. So even though I think the movie itself is rather poor I'd still pay to see it on a big screen in 3D. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I agree, "Gemini Man" video is very weird at 120fps. When I said amazing...I should have said "WILD". It is a wild video to watch, in some ways it is the best/clearest 4K video, but also can be most disturbing/distracting/strange 4K video.
the HDR on furyroad continues to bug me because of the flames looking so cartoony even though it was practically shot on location I might prefer the regular Blu-ray for it because of that. And since the Blu-ray has the Atmos track too…
@@moviecollector5920 if I turn off HDR on my setup, the color loses ALL vibrancy I've fiddled with my system a lot. In this case, the bluray for FURY ROAD is perfectly solid (especially since FURY ROAD is a very mixed bag in terms of image quality due to a bunch of the movie being shot with Canon 5Ds)
@@mcnooj82 I expected that the 4K would look identical to the Blu-ray with HDR off. Surprising and interesting that it does not. I know all our systems are different but there does seem to be something incompatible on yours between player and television. Then again, it could just be that title and we may all have foibles like this but haven't spotted them yet. You could be the first!
@@moviecollector5920 I have a used oppo-udp-203 and a 2016 LG OLED It could simply be that I’ve never used a “hdr to sdr” mode, but I’m pretty certain that I have tried all the settings just to explore them. And when I did, turning off HDR felt like the image went into an ugly LOG mode that muted everything (color, contrast, luminosity etc) Very ugly! Anyway, thank you for the suggestions! I really enjoy your channel.
@@mcnooj82 I had an incompatibility that I couldn't find when I first got my Optoma UHD550X video projector. I found it in the end and it was a misinterpretation between the player and the projector but I gave up for a while and turned HDR off. At that point I could not discern a difference between 4K and Blu-ray when the film had come from the same master file but I naively assumed the difference was there really. My problem was creating digital banding occasionally on about 10% of 4K titles and it got on my nerves to say the least. A eureka moment when I found an obscure option behind one of the menu selections but I now can't recall if it was on the player or the projector. The Batman review is up this evening. John.
The sound on Dune is among the best I've heard Daniel but it's let down by the image quality. The last 25 minutes are the worst otherwise I'd have thought it was okay overall. Looks a bit better on my telly but I suppose that's true of all discs as it's tiny compared to projection. John.
Great selection 👍....I'm only buying 4ks that were shot on film at the moment.....I feel like movies shot on video and only marginally better than ther blu ray counterpart...and not worth double the price....
Le Mans '66 is an exception there Roy but I understand what you're saying. Most of them seem to be 2K masters anyway so it does seem a little pointless on the face of it. But HDR is the difference that makes it worthwhile... usually. John.
If you interested watching the fast and furious films, I would recommend watching them as they were released, even though the timeline is abit iffy after the third one, it Makes more sense.
Enjoyable tosh by the sound of it Chris. I rather like enjoyable tosh. Who knows, I might even enjoy the first film now even though I didn't when it was new. John.
Ya know......... people talk about good looking 2k DI discs, and how the DI doesn't really matter - but there's nothing to compare it with - imagine how much better it would look from a 4K DI. It's similar to 65mm films - Baraka is the best looking standard Blu-Ray I own - it had an 8K DI scan... sure: it could've had a 2k scan, and people probably would've been happy, but the 8K scan captured a mass of detail, that translated even to a 1080p disc.
I don't have Spirit Within otherwise I might have included it. Haven't actually seen it so you've tempted me now. As for 65mm film the data equivalent works out to about 15K but I suppose it gets to a point when we can't perceive any more so there is no point in taking up the disc space. Clark Teddles has just shot a video of Baraka being screened in 70mm at his local cinema and has a second shoot coming soon. He's in Australia otherwise I'd have joined him! I plan to do a 2K vs. 4K test on our 24 foot wide 'Scope screen if we can resurrect the BFCC so that should be interesting. I'm not sure 24 feet will be quite enough to show a difference but I hope so. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I'd love to see Baraka in 70mm - and if they ever get around to releasing it in 4k, I think it'll blow everything else out of the water... especially if they do a 15k scan ;)
@@domcoke I need to keep an eye on the schedule for the Prince Charles Cinema Domcoke as I think they may keep a 70mm print of Baraka. They regularly seem to put a 70mm print of 2001 A Space Odyssey on so there's hope for some of us yet. John.
Nothing. Just playing with grading to bypass the foibles introduced by RUclips when the translation messes it up. Damned annoying when you produce something that looks rather special and then you see the same thing on the same monitor after RUclips has done its worst and it looks like... tosh! John.
Le Mans 66 and Mad Max - Fury Road are clear top pitchs. They just look so good for what the a filmed on. Anyways 007 - No Time to Die is on my top 5, just a solid work.
I keep wondering if the reports are wrong Cody but then the extras show the making of the film with video cameras. It's an amazing achievement that proves that video can be a match for film. The makers of that one need to educate their fellow film makers to show them how to do it. John.
Good to have you here. I've collected home movies for over 50 years now and because I started with film it does help when judging how good a home video looks. Still play with film as often as possible though. John.
Great video as always John. I agree Valerian is as you say entertaining tosh. While the two lead characters just didn’t have the same charisma as Mila and Bruce from Fifth Element, the rest of the cast were good and it’s a film that whisks you along merrily without too much brain involvement needed. However I was disappointed by the image, for some reason I hoped it would be pin sharp and a real demo disc due to all the colourful CGI on offer but it didn’t quite do it for me. I love Mad Max but again the disc looked posterised and after many people had said how good it was, I found myself a little disappointed. Blade Runner 2049 for me is up there at the top of my pics. I actually enjoyed the subdued palette, and found the image to be exactly how I remember from the cinema. It’s a shame Denis doesn’t really get on with HDR as much, from the test Vincent (HDTV Test) it’s SDR in a HDR container. I’m not sure if you’ve watched the 4K of Sicario yet but to me this is one beautiful looking film shot on Video. Shot on the Arri Alexa Xt at 3.4K and has a 4K DI. It’s a very natural looking palette but has some splashes of colour here and there. Worth checking out if you haven’t already.
I haven't seen Sicario but I will eventually. So many movies shot on video have been a let down that it's been a bit of a trial and error to get into them. The ten in this list are all really good and there are plenty more but it's interesting that the only one in this list to rival film is Le Mans '66. But as I said, it proves it can be done. That Mad Max film seems to look different every time I look at it but I based it on when I looked at it a few nights previously because I must have dropped into a sweet spot and then couldn't find it again. On another day there would be a bit of variation in the final order. It was similar with the Blade Runner sequel but if you skip the opening it does give a better impression. That opening was written for the original film but they didn't use it so it's just a shame it had to end up looking so grey. Valerian is a little soft but on a big screen it looks impressive owing to all the colour. Not one for a telly perhaps but there are some really big tellies out there that might do it justice. I don't know how you go about masking a 2.40:1 film off on a telly though which would also work against it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 unfortunately you’re correct and movies shot on video just don’t seem to capture everything. I also agree, movies do look different every time you watch them and can differ based on viewing conditions. I haven’t seen Le Man ‘66 so I will certainly add it to my list. Although I have currently around 9 films yet to be watched which we purchased recently. As for masking, I don’t think it’s a practical exercise for TV, especially in the living room. With it being OLED, if I turn off the lights and watch in near darkness that suffices, however my partner doesn’t like complete darkness for film watching so a small lamp is used off to the left of the screen so as not to cast any reflections. I’m thoroughly enjoying your reviews and insights in to the differences between film and video and then their respective transfers over to UHD. Every day is a school day and I much appreciated your efforts.
@@MartinPearman Some tellies are so big now that I think they need to chance the shape to the 'Scope ratio and have black bars at the sides for 16x9 programming. That would solve the issue to black bars top and bottom for movie watching but I don't suppose the average person in the street would be interested in a telly like that. Actually, I think Philips gave a 2.40:1 telly a go about 15 years ago now that I've thought about it. Obviously didn't sell. I've found that I've learned quite a lot myself doing these reviews. Before having this channel I didn't have to think about the various film formats too much but it's a different kettle of fish when you have to explain them to others and it took a while to get it all clear in my head. John.
@Movie Collector - I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your statement about PQ being the most important aspect. Picture Quality and Audio Quality mean nothing if the movie/story isn't good. Story is heads and tails the most important part above all else, IMO. As a result I think your list is bonkers, respectfully.
We're in complete agreement there. This was a run down of the best looking 4K discs in terms of image quality. I should have made that clearer. But Le Mans '66 is one of the best films of recent years as far as I'm concerned so see what you think of that one. And the score is perfect too. John.
Most of it looks really good but some of it is too bland. The opening is what really hurts it as it creates a bad first impression. And of course, the original film looks so much better. John.
Why do you think it should? Sound alone is not a reason for me. Having said that, some are pleased with the image quality so there does seem to be a bit of variation out there as to how it displays but we haven't been able to work out what the common denominator is. Most have found it too dark and I did think it was the worst I'd seen in that regard but in fact The Hunt For Red October takes the top spot as there are long sequences much like that sandworm sequence in Dune where you can barely see anything. I did look at Dune again for this one but it's quite poor on both my systems. Sound is about as good as I've heard though. John.
@@moviecollector5920 you did not like the 4K regrade of Hunt for Red October? Yes its a lot darker tham the Blu Ray. I liked it and people say it is closer to what it was in the cinema. I never saw it in the cinema. The first time was on broadcast TV in germany. Regarding Dune, If you grade the films only on technical perfection I can see why Fast Furious 9 may come out ahead. But if we judge by "looked great/impressive/convincing" I think Dune has to be there. Looked great in the cinema and on my OLED with the disc as well. Have not seen the Disc on a projector. I understand your results might vary. Top Gun Maveric will be a strong contender, saw it yesterday in the cinema and it looked very good!
@@Furudal Dune really isn't that impressive on either my television or video projector which was a real disappointment. But it's not quite so disappointing when you put it on later and expect it to look fairly poor so much of my initial disappointment was down to expectation. Transferring it to film and then back again could have worked if it hadn't been so dark because making a movie look like it was shot on film should be the ambition of all productions because it tends to look more realistic. So Dune deserves respect for the attempt even if it doesn't appear to have been entirely successful this time. Of all the movies I've seen shot on video Le Mans '66 is the exception so far. I didn't see The Hunt For Red October in the cinema but it was unlikely to have been released looking as dark as it is on 4K disc. It's possible that when it was re-graded this time around it looked fine on the monitors or projectors being used but our home equipment isn't the same sort of level. When a negative is transferred there is no grading as it is all done afterwards. When movie distribution was on film the grading was worked out from the interpositive which is the next generation down from the negative and from which an internegative is then created with all the grading applied and it is the internegative that was used to strike the general release prints. This means it has to be reproduced for a video release which has used the original negative as the master and I don't suppose anything looks exactly as it did when first done for 35mm release prints. Apocalypse Now must have been almost identical though as they had an original, unfaded 35mm print on hand to check their work against. If I were still living in the West End of London I'd have gone to see the new Top Gun on release day too but outside of central London a cinema visit is a risky business these days since 35mm distribution ceased. Results are so variable owing to the myriad video projectors being used and some of them are awful. When video projection was first being installed it was the top West End cinemas that had it first and it was such a downgrade on the premiere master prints we'd been enjoying. So much so that i stopped going to the cinema and would only go once a year or so, get disappointed and try again a year or so later. Now I only tend to go when I know a film print is being screened but the new Top Gun in the West End or the BFI IMAX would be a worthwhile exception because the clips released have shown us that the video cameras used are excellent. John.
@@rajeevreddy_t I have that on Blu-ray. It's rather good. Originally saw the 70mm blow-up print at the BFI IMAX which looked surprisingly good considering its origins. John.
It should be a crime to watch Valerian in flat 2D. One of the most beautiful 3D movies ever. When it comes to movies like this 3D Blu-Ray > 4K all day long.
3D isn't for everyone Juice. I always enjoy it as a novelty but can't watch anything more than short sequences that way. A lot of people are the same. It looks fabulous in 2D and I can imagine how amazing it would look in 3D but it's just not an option for me. Nice to know there are at least two of us who like Valerian! John.
Well, I own and agree with you about numbers 5 through 2. So, waddaya know; Blade Runner 2049?!?! I respect a man who can change his mind; I'm happy you (now) like it!
I'm afraid I think Germini Man is the worst 4K disc in my collection but I bet it would have been different if when screened at 120fps for 3D presentation. It's a novelty item but I prefer film and video to look realistic. I haven't seen the others you've mentioned. Le Mans '66 is the best video I've seen so it would be interesting to know what you think of that one as it looks like film. Gemini Man is more like a computer game and that could mean it's a generational thing. John.
That's because Le Mans doesn't really mean much in the USA. Sebring and Daytona are the two big racing names in the US whereas everyone over this side knows Le Mans even if they have little interest in the annual race. To be fair, I don't think many people have much interest in it these days but from the earliest days of motoring up to the 1980's it had an almost legendary reputation. John.
That's because it was shot in 65mm Bryan so even though much of the original negative had turned to dust the dupe negative for those sections was still of high quality. There are even better looking 65mm films on 4K disc. John.
I don't think many professional film makers today would use Hi8 and I doubt any of the other analogue video systems have survived for professional usage but I'm happy to be corrected there. Digital is a fashionable sounding word to make us think something is better than it is. Digital is actually an alternative for the word 'binary' but that doesn't sound anywhere near as good. Film makers say they are shooting digitally because they find it embarrassing to admit they're shooting on video rather than film. Now that video is so good I don't see the point of that any longer. John.
John is absolutely right when calling it video. Digital is too vague, it doesn’t mean anything since pretty much everything is “digital” nowadays. And Video is not perojative either, the technology has seriously evolved since VHS and DV 😬 Where “shooting on film” is basically an “lightprint” on a chemical support, “video” is a “conversion/translation” of light into a sequence of electric signals. Two different processes, tools (and Arts imho).
@@moviecollector5920 I think "Digital" is really a short-hand for "Digital Video Recording". I don't think it is fair to say that it it is interchangeable with "Video", since there is also analog video recording devices, such as a magnetic-tape based cameras. "Digital" cameras were a distinct technology from analog cameras. Short-handing the term to say something was shot "digitally" I think is more specific (and therefore a superior term) than simply saying it was shot on "video". :)
@@nacthenud No analogue video is around today except for the few people still using a Hi8 camera and things like that. I still have one of those myself but it only gets used for transferring Hi8 tapes to a computer nowadays. No, all video today uses computer files so video is the correct term. Video is so good now that modern movie makers who cannot use film no longer need to feel embarrassed about using video because a few movies such as Le Mans '66 have proved that it can now rival film. I shoot video myself and I'd feel like an idiot if I were to tell people "I shoot digital". John.
@@moviecollector5920 Agree to disagree then. Might be a bit of a cultural terminology thing here, too. North American vs British English have many differences as I well know growing up in Canada with English parents.
I don't think that's really my sort of thing Anul. I will give the latest Batman film a try though but all these other comic book characters didn't really appeal when I was a child. I did try many of them but always stuck to Spider-Man and Batman with the occasional dip into Superman. John.
First to comment. Wanna say how lame it is when movies shot on early Digital Video cameras are moved onto the format. Requiem for a Dream, Collateral, and others really show their limits.
I didn't know Collateral was shot on video. What a terrible shame because that is a terrific movie. Does explain why the recent 4K release has been slagged off so much I suppose. Surely it can't be as bad as the Star Wars film 'Attack of the Clones'? John.
@@moviecollector5920 it’s true. Michael Mann used digital for his first time ever 3 years before (2001) for a few of the night shots of Ali starring Will Smith.
I'm a bit of a Mann fan. Ali, Collateral, Miami Vice, Blackhat, digital shoots. He got better with different cameras. Collateral really gets ugly at night with motion, it's very blurry. Miami Vice faired a little better, especially with color. Blackhat is the 'best' looking, it's closest to real film, but you can tell from some of the shots, and the missing grain and/or artificial looking grain. I think Fincher and his DPs handle digital cinematography way better. Mann should collaborate and could pick up some tips.
@@decline.enjoyer When you look at movies shot on video today and see that they're often not up to 35mm general release print quality I can only imagine how awful those video scenes would have looked in 2001. That Star Wars film was the worst quality I've ever seen in a cinema but a lot of it was down to inadequate video projection (which is much of the problem with cinema today).
I can imagine Valerian would work really well in 3D Gary. Maybe one day I'll give it a go as I do have a few 3D discs so the next video projector (hopefully still quite a few years away) will have to have 3D capability just so I can give 3D another try. I've always regarded it as a novelty and tend to return to it every ten years or so. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I have about 300 3D movies and only 150 4K. My Benq projector handles 3D well, I think you’ll enjoy it on a projector that can handle it.
@@garyharper2943 Valerian is one film I would make the effort to see in 3D. Unlike most it's got that look that would work well as a 3D even if the overall image quality would take a hit as it always does once you stick polarized glasses on your nose! John.
I recently got the 4K of Tarantino's 'Inglourious Basterds' and I thought the Picture Quality was outstanding! I also think the 4K remaster of 'The Lord Of The Rings' looks phenomenal as well. You should check them out if you haven't already.
Morning Cooper. Both of those were shot on film if I'm not mistaken. But Lord of the Rings was fairly poor image quality at the cinema when it was first released so I never managed to get into that one. Hopefully they've gone back and done work on it because it was probably the low quality special effects that meant the rest of it had to be downgraded so perhaps re-compiling and re-exporting the computer animation at higher quality has resulted in a more satisfactory home video release. One day I'll try it again and them maybe I'll see the sequels too. I haven't seen Inglorious Basterds as I'm not really the biggest Quentin Tarrantino fan. I have tried a few but I find the portrayal of violence a bit difficult much of the time but I did prefer True Romance this time around so there's hope for me yet. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah I agree about the Picture Quality of 'The Lord Of The Rings' when they were first released in cinemas in the 2000s. The Blu Ray of the Trilogy released back in 2012 looks awful. The Colours and Picture Quality was so washed out. The Extended Edition Blu Ray set released around the same time was a major improvement, with the colours really popping. Plus the 6•1 Sound Mix was a welcome addition as well. But the most recent 4K Trilogy Box Set from 2020 is the superior version. Both Theatrical and Extended versions are on there. I believe the Sound Mix is still the same but the Picture Quality is where it's at. It's a beautiful restoration. I myself am a massive Quentin Tarantino fan. I have been since I saw 'Pulp Fiction' on TV when I was about 15. It was heavily edited of course, but I instantly became a fan of his work. My favourite film of his is the aforementioned 'Inglourious Basterds', so I couldn't help double dipping for the 4K of it. He loves shooting on Film so it's no wonder the 4K looks fantastic. Yeah, Tarantino isn't for anyone, especially the excessive amount of graphic violence and endless amounts of swearing in the dialogue. But I like it as it adds to the Shock Value, but I differentiate Real Life Violence from Movie Violence, as Tarantino has stated in many interviews. But I am impressed in with both restorations.
@@cooperbourke7717 i appreciate Quentin Tarantino as he's a film lover and he's one of the big names behind the re-launch of Kodak Super 8 which is COMING SOON! So he's okay in my book. It was actually Pulp Fiction that adversely affected me and although I liked the self-deprecating opening with John Travolta dancing I didn't like some of the really nasty bits in it and one scene nearly caused me to leave the cinema which is something I've never done. I stayed but afterwards wished I had left. Maybe if I ever see it again it won't have anywhere near the same effect. Good information about The Lord of the Rings there. It seems like the poor image quality when the original film was released to cinemas has been addressed. That must have taken some work. I looked at a box set of them today so there's a chance I'll finally see all three of them soon. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I think I know which scene in 'Pulp Fiction' you're referring to. I believe his first film 'Reservoir Dogs' caused many people to walk out during one particular scene as well. You could tell he was a Filmmaker who knew how to shock an audience right off the bat. When I went and saw 'The Hateful Eight' at the Cinema, two people walked out within the first 15 minutes. Granted it was a slow paced film, but they didn't even give the film a chance and probably spent a fortune on Tickets and all the Snacks they got. This is one of my biggest issues with younger moviegoers. They don't even appreciate the Movie they pay to say, even if it is a little slow at the beginning. I had no idea about him relaunching the Super 8. That's something to look forward to. If I didn't already, I definitely recommend 'The Lord Of The Rings', especially the 4K versions. You'll finally be able to see one of modern cinema's greatest achievements.
@@cooperbourke7717 I seem to get regular suggestions to watch the Lord of the Rings films and it seems that the poor quality imagery from when the first film was at cinemas has been addressed now so I hopefully won't find it all so dull overall. Sometime soon I'll get to them. Kodak showed off a prototype new Super 8 camera with video technology on board so that sound can be synchronized later and the final products are due any time now. They're not going to be cheap but the aim is to get youngsters into filming with film so that they will develop into tomorrow's film makers and actually know what they're doing because a lot of skills have been lost following the switch to video cameras. Steven Spielberg and J.J. Abrams are two other big names supporting the venture. I quite enjoyed The Hateful Eight but there were one or two bits that I could have done without. Whatever, it resulted in 70mm release prints to cinemas and any film that does that will always get my admiration. John.
Problem with films shot on 35mm it’s in 2k and you get grain but films shot on 65mm and imax 70mm there a lot better films shot digitally in 4K are downgrade because of CGI so why shot it in 4K
Greetings Neil. I think it's only the current trend to downscale 35mm shoots to 2K but the information on each frame is about 50mb so 35mm does equate to somewhat more than 4K which is possibly why Jaws look s so good after its 5.6K transfer. But video has come a long way and although it's not going to rival large format film any time soon, Le Mans '66 proves that video can look as good as 35mm film. John.
@@GringoXalapeno I think 8K would get away with it simply because we just can't take in everything that's contained in a 70mm frame. We did fear that Tenet had been downscaled to 8K from genuine IMAX film and that was a horrifying thought because genuine IMAX equates to around 45K. Fortunately it turned out not to be the case. Phew! John.
@@moviecollector5920 i doubt that imax is anymore than 32k because every increase in resolution is quadrupled and the max that 70mm is is perhaps 12k and imax is triple the size of standard 70mm film
Dune is another like Le Mans 66, they shot digitally and then printed to film and then scanned it back digitally. Aquaman is an awesome disc, a real HDR showcase, my only issue with it is whenever Amber Heard appears....🤢
Le Mans looks fantastic! Dune 2021... was kinda a mess. On a tv in hdr its totally fine. But especially on a projector, between the squished framing 'like 2049,' and some general...blurriness from all the cgi, its not great. I'd be curious to see an open matte version. Since the open matte 2049 is sooooo much better. You lose hdr, but it gains some of that neon vibrancy the original movie had. Aquaman can look fantastic too. But the heavy cgi scenes, it can get really soft.
Dune was an attempt to make a video look like film but I thought I was looking at video noise. I suppose once the money was spent on that rigmarole no one was going to want admit it had been a waste. If it hadn't have been so dark it might have worked. But somehow they managed to introduce that filmic look for Le Mans '66 and I'd really like to know how they did it. I haven't seen Aquaman and not likely to as I even struggle a bit with Spider-Man and Batman now. The occasional superhero movie was a novelty but it's all the time these days and really a younger persons thing. Blade Runner 2049 is actually fairly low quality compared to how films can be made but parts of it do look very good. I think the opening lets it down as it's so grey and sets a bad impression for the rest of it. But I did stumble across some vibrant sequences a few nights ago and I decided to base its number 4 position on that. Skip the opening and it looks so much better. John.
Although I do agree with the majority of the choices, the most impressive prints (for me) are the remastered classics namely “Ten Commandments”, “Ben Hur” and “gone with the wind”. To each his own I guess.
They're in the Top Ten video Mobey. I realized afterwards that not a single movie shot on video had made it into the top ten which upset a few people so I knocked this one up. Only Le Mans '66 rivals film so far as far as I'm concerned but I haven't seen them all by any means. Number one is still Murder on the Orient Express which is a 65mm production. The Ten Commandments is VistaVision so that's why it's so good along with the Technicolor dye transfer process to enhance the colours. John.
@@moviecollector5920 If i can enjoy the Thing i Love then Theres No Problem in not having all the Money in the world! Thank you John for These new titles i can enjoy soon. Best wishes
This is a bit bizarre terminology. It's not video, it's DIGITAL :) Otherwise, an interesting list. Although, the main criteria - how close it gets to an obsolete format (film) - is rather dubious. I don't think I care to see artificial grain noise that is added, for example, to Dune (which I am surprised in not on the list).
Dune isn't a very good looking video. Sorry, I can't say it's not a very good looking digital but that wouldn't make any sense. I shoot video myself and so do most film makers today but they like to make it sound like it's not video and add the alternative word for 'binary'. Daft really. Shooting video today is always going to be one of the various computer formats but it's still video. So there! To see the best looking 4K discs take a look at the previous 'digital' I did for the top ten 4Ks of the lot. There weren't any digitals included so that's why I made this 'digital 'as there are some good looking movies shot on video, just nothing to rival large format film yet. John.
Here is my small 4k collection with my comments for anyone interested: 'Last Christmas' - This movie has good HDR which is demonstrated by the Christmas lights that are almost ever present in the film. The resolution is true 4k, and the two stars of the film look great. The cinematography is excellent, and if you love wet streets and colorful lights in the city at night you need to pick this up. London looks amazing in this film. 'Basic Instinct' - This is a must have for any 4k movie collector. The true 4k resolution is pure magic here, and the color has been fixed by the director as it was pretty bad in the blu-ray version. If I had to just have one movie on 4k, then this would be my choice. Pure cinema. San Francisco, the beach, the interrogation scene, it looks like a different movie in 4k HDR. 'Vertigo' - This is one of my all time favorite films, and this is the best it's ever looked. However, buyer beware, Vertigo has been heavily restored and doesn't look at good in 4K UHD as films that didn't need heavy restoration. You lose something in picture quality when you have a heavy film restoration. Still Vertigo looks great, and it's leaps and bounds better looking that 'Rear Window' in 4k, which I am not going to review. 'Total Recall' - This is a movie that needed HDR desperately, and wow did the HDR bring this movie to life. The HDR brings a level or vivid radiant color, especially red and orange, that I had never seen before. The signs and city also glow and pop, just wonderful. And Total Recall is also true 4K, but be aware that there is a fair amount of film grain in certain scenes. Wonderful film. 'Blade Runner' - True 4K, amazing HDR, but you need an OLED tv to really enjoy this true masterpiece. I have a 65' 4k LG CX OLED tv, and BR looks like a totally different movie now. It's magical in nearly every single scene. What a treat. The regular blu-ray looks like trash compared to this version. 'The Hunger Games' - Catching Fire' - You can pick this movie up in 4k HDR for $9.99, and at that price it's more than worth it. CF is the only hunger games movie that is true 4k, and has great HDR scenes. If you want to see Jennifer Lawrence at her best in 4k, then this film is your cheap option. The picture quality is excellent. 'Passengers' - This is another true 4k film, and I only buy true 4k movies now. This movie was shot mostly with an Arri Alexa 65 digital camera, but some people don't like the total absence of film grain. I don't care if a movie has film grain or not, so long as the picture is true 4k, and the HDR is at least decent. My only minor complaint is that Jennifer must have had a achene breakout during filming, and they corrected it digitally in a subtle way. It looked like they did the Hollywood version of "auto-fill - content aware" or "cloning" to fix her little breakout. Great looking movie overall. Well I'm out of time or I'd list the rest. Maybe later.
That's a great post Jay. I hadn't even heard of Last Christmas so as it's set in London I'll be looking that up. Basic Instinct is good but it is 35mm so not as good as films shot on large format films. I found the colour a bit brown but it could be that was how the original release prints were graded. Vertigo was shot VistaVision so you're possibly being fooled by the look of it as VistaVision was a horizontal 35mm format that had a frame 8 sprockets wide - in other words, enormous! The clarity and lack of obvious film grain may be making you think something has been done to it in a computer but it probably hasn't been. Total Recall and Blade Runner are 35mm productions but look pretty darned fabulous and to get the most filmic representation of them in the home does really mean forgetting a telly and getting a video projector. You will need to mask off the black bars with a video projector though otherwise it does spoil that film illusion. As for only purchasing a true 4K you'd better look at my Top Ten Movies Shot On Video upload as I try to point out that it doesn't actually matter if a film is 2K most of the time. The original filming format is the most important factor as the original clarity of a 4K or 6K shoot does shrink down and is retained in the final product. That's how they can get away with a 2K video being screened on a genuine IMAX even if it doesn't really look anywhere near as good as genuine IMAX because most people wouldn't be able to spot any difference. You'd better post the rest of your top 4K movies now Jay! John.
@@moviecollector5920 I actually made a mistake about Last Christmas. I thought I had it on physical media, but I actually bought the digital version in Amazon Prime video. I think it might only be available in UHD digitally, but it still looks great. In Last Christmas you will see Covent Garden, Oxford Street, Cecil Court, Soho, Alexandra Palace, and many other great locations. The director took great care in showing off London. There is something about Vertigo that looks strange to me, and I thought it was due to the restoration. Good to know it wasn't messed with digitally. Because I am far from an expert I try to avoid movies that have a 2k DI because I can't image up-scaling being a good looking image when it's stretched onto a 4k screen. However that's me making an assumption, but I don't know that as a fact. I'll check out your other video. I'll post my other favorite 4k blu-rays soon!
@@moviecollector5920 In regards to the color in the 4k version of Basic Instinct, I would say there is less red and blue, and more yellow if that makes sense. So what looked more blue on the blu-ray copy will look more teal or aqua blue on the 4k copy, and red will be lessened or muted (see the red goggles detective Currant wore to view the murder scene, and any scene with blood). The reason I liked this change in color is because to me it made the skin color of the actors look more realistic, but that came at the sacrifice of some blue and red, and yellow became stronger imo.
@@periphetes Last Christmas sounds really good Jay but I don't ever give money to Amazon for anything and won't until they start supporting our shopping centres and high streets with physical shops. Until then, they're killing our infrastructure so they don't get my support. Rant over in that regard. You will be hard pressed to ever tell a difference between a 2K movie and a 4K and if you think about it, if it were easy then most cinemas would be out of business by now as around half are projecting with 2K machinery and most of the videos released to cinemas are 2K anyway. I can tell the difference with a lot of the video I shoot myself but probably not this Movie Collector material for RUclips as it tends to be indoors and less well defined than if I'm shooting something motor car related or scenic outdoors. Basic Instinct may look different on your telly as all our systems are different and as I don't watch films on our telly I haven't really spent too much time setting that up compared to the video projector which I've tried to make look as much like film prints as possible. All other films have natural looking skin colour but that one doesn't really. It's not too bad though as the transfer of the 35mm original negative is so good that the colour is secondary to the definition as far as I'm concerned. Look up VistaVision to learn more about Vertigo and Rear Window. They should be among the best 4K discs so far because of the VistaVision 'Motion Picture High Fidelity'. Spartacus was shot in a variation of VistaVision called Technirama and that is why that one also looks fabulous. Nothing shot on video has matched this sort of film quality so far but this is the age of mediocrity in general so if the studios can get away with cheaper, lower quality then we can't blame them for doing so. Drive is out in 4K from Second Sight Films on Monday and it looks terrific. I thought I was watching a film but it's actually a 2K video. It's a perfect example of how the Digital Intermediate Master doesn't matter as long as the movie was high quality to start with, much like VistaVision which was predominantly used to produce superior quality standard 35mm prints. John.
@@moviecollector5920 As far as the difference between 4k and 2k I'll tell you my experience. I spent some time comparing 4k and 2K side by side on two 65 inch screens, one was UHD, and the other HD. What I found was that there is a noticeable resolution difference, but only when I stood within 6 feet of the tvs. At 6.5 feet or further away I couldn't tell any difference in resolution. So in my opinion if you buy a 4k tv that is 65 inches, and you sit greater than 6 feet away, then you are not really experiencing 4k resolution. In short, buy the biggest tv you can afford, or get your own home cinema if you have that kind of money. My local cinema, which I try to support, is a joke for quality. They are using a light source that is far too dim for the projection, and so we have to suffer a dim picture. My tv is about 750 nits, and my local cinema just can't compete because they are cutting corners. I went to watch Doctor Strange 2 a couple of weeks ago and I almost asked for a refund. I know they have powered down the light source to save money. It's sad. Yes Drive is coming to America August 9th and I might pick that up. The choices in August for me are between Red Dawn, Drive, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I have not decided on which one to buy.
Hey John brilliant video as always my friend, really good list of films that look great on 4K. I've heard fro. euphoria pictures Keith that Deepwater is a great picture it's one I definitely want to give a watch. I'm Only streaming films in 4K at the moment so I do get the full benefit til I eventually get a player but I do agree with The Shallows it's such a great picture and it really blew me away. Also Kong Skull island was very impressive too. I did check on Le Man's on Disney plus but unfortunately it isn't in 4K which is a shame. Take care mate looking forward to your next video
While we were enjoying your last weekly pickups video a few days ago I wondered if perhaps you should give purchasing discs a miss for a few weeks and save up for a 4K player Pete. I think it would be an exciting purchase and think of all the movies you already have on 4K that you'd be able to spin. You wouldn't have to purchase anything else for quite some time. Personally, I'm struggling to find anything else to watch right now but I expect I'll visit HMV tomorrow and that will surely tempt me with something. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hey John thanks for the reply, I have actually been thinking that for a little while. So Blu-ray purchases will be a bit low for a few weeks, I'm trying to save up for a PS5 as that has a 4K Blu-ray player included, just trying to find stock which is the problem. Hope you find something in HMV thanks again John, take care
@@PlaytendoGuy See what others think of the video capabilities of a Playstation as I don't think they were very highly regarded for video a few years ago. The plus side of that is that a dedicated 4K player would be a darned sight cheaper. I didn't really find anything much in HMV but while I was talking to Kitty, the manageress or the Newbury branch, she was unpacking the latest Blu-ray stock and one that came out was a steelbook of Hacksaw Ridge that I wanted to buy but unfortunately she's not allowed to sell it until Monday. I also went to CEX so it was a full 'Mondo Mooch' today. John.
I love the opening of Blade Runner 2049 - it really makes that explosion of colour in the city even better. Much like how almost all of Prisoners was very muted, until you get hit by the red and blue flashing lights towards the end. Really enjoyed this list, a few more to add to the my wishlist!
That opening was written for the original film but not used. I dare say that if Ridley Scott had have shot it he'd have found a way to make it really hit us between the eyes. As it is I find it creates a bad first impression. But if we all thought the same about everything we'd have nothing to discuss. I suspect I'll enjoy the film much more when I do watch it again but no sequel to Blade Runner ever stood a chance really so I need to cut it some slack for that reason.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I adore BR 2049 as much as the original, and I think it's a stunning example of how a significant distance in time can work for a sequel. I saw it at IMAX and I was fine with the muted palette. I'm curious if you know about Vincent Teoh's analysis of it over at HDTVTest a couple of years back? He concluded that it was a fake HDR movie, in that the specular highlights were no brighter on the 4k than on the Blu-Ray. The resolution was upscaled but it was still an SDR movie. The brightest scene on the disk is a company logo, at a bit over 300 nits! No part of the movie proper is greater than 200 nits. Apparently the cinematographer, Roger Deakins, hates HDR with a passion. Go figure. That said, I am in two minds as to whether increasing the dynamic range in scenes such as the exterior scene when K is interacting with the advertising AI would improve the movie or whether it would spoil the film's meditative tone.
@@TheRealPotoroo I expect it was made as a slightly muted looking movie to give it the desired atmosphere. With it being muted it should mean that it doesn't look too different between the Blu-ray and the 4K but I can't recall now. My recommendation is to not take any notice of what electronic measurements may tell us because all that matters is how it looks to the human eye. My first impression of Blade Runner 2049 was not very good but going back and looking at it again for this video gave me a much more favourable impression. It's biggest failing is that it's not the 1982 film but that was inevitable. There are some great scenes though and I thought the virtual reality girl was adorable. John.
Always nice to see another video from you, John. Best wishes.
Always nice to see another comment from you Boss!
John.
Just noticed I've missed a few of your videos and not a single notification! I'll check in manually from now on. Thanks for the video, john. Some good picks.
That happens to me with some of the channels I subscribe to Doug. Perhaps if I don't post every few days I drop off the radar.
I think "Passengers (2016) is an outstanding example of a movie shot in greater than 4K video, that also has a 4K transfer. It was also my first 3D acquisition (included with the 4K release) and I got it after Optoma released a firmware upgrade for my UHD50, which made it Blu-ray 3D compatible.
I have Passengers on Blu-ray and it's fabulous. But sadly, having it on Blu-ray means I've never found an excuse to buy it on 4K. A great movie as far as I'm concerned.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 The 4K release that I picked up on sale was a real bargain, as it included the 4K HDR version, the 3D BD, the regular BD and a digital copy.
@@dmunro9076 Send it over!!!
When a movie has a 3D version I pick up the 3D disc over the 4K every time.
Even if it doesn’t have a 3D disc but I saw it in the theater in 3D I can’t bring myself to buy a flat backwards 2D version. The new Bond movie is an example.
Another great video once again. I would be rather intrigued to see a 4K Top 10 Best Sound video, rounding up the best audio quality that the format has to offer. I feel that both sound and picture are equally important when viewing a 4K disc, especially with your home cinema screen. It would also be interesting to see what are the worst 4Ks you have in your collection. Part of me wishes to stick to Blu-ray (and DVD) due to the inconsistencies of 4K regarding sound and picture quality. It just seems a little bit inconvenient to have to fiddle with my settings every so often. Hope to see more content from you.
- Cameron.
The worst 4K I've seen in Gemini Man but that's because of how it was made and nothing at fault with the 4K disc per se. Probably the worst with regard to how a film or video has been transferred or converted to a 4K disc is The Hunt For Red October which is far too dark. I knew Sean Connery was in that one though because I could hear him.
The 4K discs and the processes involved in creating them are rarely the problem, it's usually down to how a movie was shot that shows up more with 4K because so much effort is put into producing the best representation of each movie. Because the image quality is the best possible for home video anything that wasn't quite right on the day of filming shows up more than it did before but most people who review these discs get that sort of thing wrong and that is possibly what's given you the impression there are more problems than there really are. There are occasions such as The Meg where the HDR application hasn't been done entirely right but issues like that are not particularly common.
Sound used to be more important because 30 years ago there wasn't a viable option for projecting video in the home so we had to be content with a telly. As video has progressed sound has become less important and those of us who have been playing at home cinemas for a long time have generally achieved sound systems that were unimaginable 30 or 40 years ago and the result is that even movies with soundtracks recorded down tin cans and string sound good. There are sometimes soundtracks that stand out but those can distract as much as enhance the viewing of the film. Dune might be an example of that but I really enjoyed the sound on that one even if it was better than the picture quality.
If you do go down the 4K disc route get a Panasonic player with the HDR button on the remote control and then any fiddling is just the press of a button. But you won't even to use that very often.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for the response, John. I'm sure that I will invest in a Panasonic player at some point. I must have just made the wrong choice with the one that I bought. I'll probably sell it at some point. Hope to see more videos soon.
- Cameron.
Another great video! I was so skeptical of Ford vs Ferrari (otherwise known as Le Mans '66) but I really enjoyed the film immensely. Keep up the good work.
Good to know you really enjoyed Ford v Ferrari Henri. One day I'll find out how they managed to make a video look so much like film which is a big part of its success.
John.
Hi John, hope you've been well!
Just rewatchd this video after seeing 2049 last night. the 4K disc is in the aspect ratio of 2:35:1, but I found a copy that has the full open matte visuals (same aspect ratio as what they play in imax cinemas) and I truly believe that the film is more impactful and stunning when watching the open matte version. Althougth the open matte version is only 1080p and the color is a little blocky sometimes, its definitely watchable even for our high-quality standards. I saved this film for Friday night so I could crank up the volume and shake the house with the bass that's included on the atmos track, its truly incredible.
have a great day, John!
I don't think I knew there was a 1.78:1 ratio version of Blade Runner 2049 Clark and I think I would have preferred to see that because I don't think too much of it as it is. Actually, I think the story is a little bland and the whole look of the film doesn't match what Ridley Scott managed to create for us in 1982 but a narrower aspect ratio might have really helped. I will watch this one again as I do want to like it, I've just found it so disappointing both times I've watched it so far. In places it does look pretty great though.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 The director of photography said the film looks better with the 2:35:1 ratio. I think that's complete tosh. The film needs the 16:9 aspect ratio to show the true scale of some of the scenes. with the black bars, its almost like having a small screen with big sound, but when you watch the open matte version with loud sound, it feels almost like a religious experience, it's unreal.
I found the film was a lot better when looking at it from a sort of "Character Study" more than replicants and dystopian worlds. If walking into the film, expecting something like the old blade runner then I think that's a plan for disappointment, but when looking at it from a sort of "Taxi driver or Joker or Drive" perspective, then I think the film is phenomenal.
@@ClarkTeddles I expect you're right Clark because let's face it, a sequel to Blade Runner was on a hiding to nothing before it started really. John.
I had to chuckle when you held up FF8. I couldn't imagine you sitting through a whole F&F movie - I gave up on them years ago. But, on your recommendation I will try some of the later ones. Thx for another great video John!
I need to watch another one sometime. Number 8 was so ridiculous but it was great fun and at a time when cars are being vilified in general it's great to see them being used to the extreme to make a hugely enjoyable movie for youngsters to see. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I would recommend Fast Five especially, and also part 6. I think those are my favorites of the series. Furious 7 would then connect those with the one you saw recently, and it is fun, too, though it gets too a bit too outrageous for me even by that point--still enjoyable, though!
There's a couple of these that I didnt really know were filmed on video that I'll give a watch. Thanks!
I was suspicious about Le Mans '66 (Ford V Ferrari) but I also had to check Hunter Killer because that one looks filmic too. A few of them do but as a general rule video does still look like video and film is still the king. But it's certainly getting closer.
John.
Great review and nice collection John 👍 I've got most of the movies on Blu-ray and Valerian on 4k. Plus I've got the 1984 version of Dune on 4k, Knives out and TOP GUN also on 4k but I can't watch Top Gun yet as the security tag was left connected to the case plus I've bought a few Blu-ray's.
Top Gun is surprisingly good quality given it was Super 35. Backdraft had the same Super 35 origin and that looks terrific too so there's something about the reduced version of 35mm that seems to work. I had a DVD once that still had the red tag left in place but I managed to chop it out. Not sure it did the DVD case much good but it saved taking it back to the store it was purchased in. I bought a copy of Knives Out yesterday following a few comments on here which confirmed the poor trailer did not represent the final product.
I hope you get Top Gun sorted out soon so you can enjoy it before seeing the sequel. HMV have currently got some good offers on Tom Cruise movies due to the Top Gun sequel being released in cinemas. I got two of his films on 4K that I didn't have before for £10 each.
John.
Always a pleasure viewing your uploads John,Thank you.For all the lovely 4k’s ive seen nothing comes close to the blu ray of “How the west was won” everything looks so epic just extraordinarly impressive.The whole cinerama presentation is something else
Are you fan of westerns? Just watched arrows marvellous release of Sam Peckinpahs Major Dundee,Another fascinating film from the man
'The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm' was the only other true Cinerama feature film and that's just been released on Blu-ray so there's another you'll have to get. I hope it looks as good as 'How The West Was Won'.
i do like westerns but have never seen Major Dundee. I think that one was featured in Cinema Retro magazine recently so it's another one that's on my radar for a purchase. That magazine causes me a lot of expense!
John.
I just bought Major Dundee, Take a look at The Towering Inferno blu ray, I think thats the best one I have seen
@@MovieMad1 I don't think I've ever seen Major Dundee but I have the Blu-ray of The Towering Inferno so I'll have to take another look at it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I think it was shot on 70mm as you say its the source that counts
@@MovieMad1 The Towering Inferno was shot 35mm but there were 70mm blow-up prints for premiere cinemas. 65mm shoots for 70mm were more or less a thing of the past by the 1970's but there were exceptions and fortunately there still are today. Major Dundee was 35mm only.
Another great video John :)
There's a few films in ur collection that I haven't seen yet like 1917, The Meg, Le Mans '66, Valerian and The Shallows. I need to check them out at some point. Lucy and Blade Runner 2049 are probably the best films in ur collection among the ones I've seen.
These are the best movies shot on video that I could find so there are much better out there that were shot on film. I wanted to make this video because I realized that there weren't any movies shot on video in my top ten except perhaps for Le Mans '66 but I just couldn't decide if that was better than Jaws or not. As it happens, a couple of other 70mm films have appeared in my top ten now so neither Jaws nor Le Mans '66 would make it into the list any longer. They are both GREAT 4K discs, no doubt about that.
John.
A nice and very varied list of movies in this Top 10.
Perhaps you might consider releasing a Top 10 releases of the year on 4K UHD Blu-ray at the end of each calendar year?
Thank you John.
I don't see them all Cheekster but maybe I'll include something in a review towards the end of the year. I tend to leave all these "I need views" type of videos to others but top tens are always fun to do. And we have had the extra special 'Get Carter' 4K this year as well as the fabulous film from Edgar Wright 'Last Night In Soho' so that's two films for the list immediately. A good excuse to watch them again too!
John.
Hey John, agree that the visual quality is the kicker for me to buy a 4K disc. Agree that scope is my favorite aspect ratio and my screen is fixed width 2.35. I was pleasantly surprised to see you give "The Shallows" a shout out. I think that "Lucy" is a wonderful print on the 4K disc. "Le Mans" is a stunner. On the HT news front. It's all boxed and I'm a little sad. However the new room is about 20% bigger and further away from the main part of the house. Nearest neighbor is about half a mile. Thanks my friend.
You're going to have fun putting the new home together Rob, particularly the new home cinema. I found I was getting a bit frustrated doing mine but that was because I'd forgotten how troublesome it could be to get curtains and masking working 100% via X10 automation. I've pretty much got there now and have made quite a few improvements too... just in time to get builders in!!!
Sound on action movies is always pretty darned fabulous nowadays so unless there's one that comes along that stands above all others there's not really much to talk about with regards to sound. Image quality on the other hand is fundamental to a 4K disc release. Others don't agree with us there but that's how I think about it.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 hey John. We're drowning in the stress and work of selling two houses and buying one. Things will start to get back to normal in Mid July. Stay well.
@@Celestialrob I would come over and give you a hand Rob but I'm enjoying sitting here with my feet up too much!
@@moviecollector5920 LMAO - hope at some point you and the seamstress will be over to put your feet up and watch some movies!
Hi , isn’t it strange how they don’t advertise 4K ultra hd discs on tv , is this due to the fact that some are not true ,and almost like an upscaled blu-Ray , maybe not as all seems , what are your thoughts ?
The market for 4K discs is still very small Ginger Ninja and despite the years Blu-ray has been available DVD is still outselling Blu-ray. If a better name more representative of what a Blu-ray disc is had have been adopted right from the start then perhaps the home movie market would be in a much better position today as a lot of people don't understand what it is owing to that 'Blu-ray' name. But in my opinion, the basic answer to your question is that there's little money from 4K disc sales and little incentive to spend big sums on promotion. Also, the big studios would probably prefer to simply sell us all a direct download or stream and therefore not have to bother with all the hassle and expense of producing complicated discs.
John.
Great collection John, I wonder how long till your reviewing 8k films in the future?
As there is no perceptible difference between 2K and 4K I really don't think there's any point Leon. Shooting a movie at 8K and shrinking it down for a 4K disc is a different matter but I think that will be limited for many years to come. Most cinema screenings in the UK are 2K and they get away with it so there's probably not much of an appetite for upgrading all the 2K and 4K video projectors in cinemas again already. However, television manufacturers will want to convince us all that 8K is better even if you can't tell the difference.
I think all this constant upgrading is helping to kill cinema. It's a bit of a worrying time in that regard really.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 certainly cinema going isn't as mainstream as it used to be (I remember films regularly selling out when I was a kid) and not just the biggest releases either. I for one try to go quite often & I've always take my children all the time, so hopefully they grow up to love going as much as I do. I totally agree about there being no need for 8k TV's, maybe they should improve the HDR on some manufacturers sets, as for me, decent implementation of high dynamic range is the biggest enhancement we've seen since HD sets first arrived.
@@Brookes79 When you think about how awful flat screen tellies were when they came out it does indicate that high definition was vital to put us back to the standard we enjoyed with cathode ray tube tellies. I was at one of the first demonstrations of C-MAC in the 1980's which was the original iteration of higher definition and it was 1250 lines as I recall. That was killed and turned into sub-standard D-MAC before it died altogether. It was better than the HD that did finally come about and may even have some superior qualities to 4K which does appear to struggle with certain patterns and colours whereas C-MAC demonstrated full capabilities in those same areas. As for cinema, older people hardly seem to go any longer but that may improve once they all get over the Covid-19 scare even if that may take some time yet. When films such as Death on the Nile and Last Night In Soho barely make an impact it suggests that something is going wrong and I can't see how cinema can survive by simply churning out comic book superhero movies time after time. It's a bit of a worrying time for cinema, particularly as cinemas have had cost passed onto them that used to be borne by distributors and studios. Constantly updating to the latest video projector is not going to be possible everywhere whereas before the 35mm machines had been in place for decades.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Early flat screens really bad, I vaguely remember plasma screens losing their contrast over time & looking extremely dull. CRT definitely had its benefits , even over modern screens. I too worry about cinemas, I just went last night to see The Massive Weight of Unbearable Talent at the Trafford centre & there were only 10 people there to see it (good film by the way) & that included me & a friend. I suppose years ago you had to go see a big film at your local picture house, as it took so many years to be released on VHS & even longer to be finally shown on TV.
@@Brookes79 And the cost of taking a family to the cinema now means it's not an option for many. For others, it's better value to wait a few months and stream the same movie onto the home tv set. Studios seem to want to change the market so they are selling directly to homes rather than exhibition houses and the pandemic has fuelled that somewhat.
Another great video! Looking forward to your top discs shot on film 🎥
I'd already inadvertently done that ReservoirFrog because The Top Ten 4K Ultra HD In My Collection were all film. That's really why I did this 'shot on video' follow up because there are some great looking movies shot on video, just not quite up to the standard of film yet but getting very close. John.
Nice one John.
Di you you have a new camera by the way?
The Fast And Furious films are all of their time but it is all one long story really. So maybe a treck through the earlier one's in sequence would make for better viewing. I think you'll enjoy the 2nd one more. The 3rd goes off boil a little but part 4 is really good. That's as far as my wife and I have got.
Lamon 66 is a brilliant film. Sad but brilliant.
Deep Water Horizon is very good and I enjoyed The Meg as some mindless fun.
I need to see all the others though.
Great video John as always. I wish I could do overlays in my videos but the editing software on my phone doesn't have that capability.
Trevor
A computer is the only way to do editing the way I do it Trevor so there's a challenge for the future. I recorded the piece to camera in the morning and set about editing it all together from around 11am. That took all day as I go through it and through it and through it to try to ensure everything is as smooth as possible. The camera's been recording these videos for almost 18 months now but I've been playing with the grading to try to bypass RUclips's translation messing up how the end product looks. This one worked a little better than previous attempts but it is annoying that I put a video together that looks rather good and then it gets turned to mush and has altered colours once it's uploaded.
I'll try another Fast & Furious video sometime. That first one put me off so it was a nice surprise to see that they're putting enjoyable nonsense together these days thanks to Mr. Perry sending me number 8.
John.
I'm curious, have you seen Sicario and/or The Revenant? As far as I'm concerned, both but especially Sicario are fantastic movies, and both have excellent 4K transfers. In the wake of digital photography, both are massive standouts and I'd recommend both for a try. Sicario was shot by Roger Deakins, The Revenant was shot by Emmanuel Lubezki who shot Gravity and Children of Men.
Oh, and by extension, how about Parasite? The Korean award-winner? Also excellent, both as a film and as a 4K transfer.
I have The Revenant on Blu-ray Bowser but haven't seen that movie nor the others you mention in 4K. Sicario has now been mentioned a couple of times. Gravity was a great video but looked rather bland at the BFI IMAX where it was 3D and filled the 90 foot wide screen. An example of the standard Blu-ray being a better presentation in the home than at a cinema. Looks like I'll be giving Sicario a try sometime soon.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Good to know, thank you for replying! Hope they're worthwhile!
Both, The Revenant and Sicario looks freakin phenomenal on 4K, plus the films are modern masterpices.
What's up you movie collector you! Lol. I'm one of those that regards sound just as important as the picture and luckily, these days, bad soundtracks, aren't very common so for the most part we all get the best of both worlds! I can say that the movies I've seen on this list for the most part, have pretty dynamic soundtracks! Just thought I'd throw that out there since you are a visual guy lol. It's all good John I'm just tripping out on you! I enjoy your videos and look forward to them! I keep wondering when we'll be getting release upgrades hopefully in 4k of True Lies, The Abyss (I read this one is on its way), Armageddon, Crimson Tide, and U571 to name a few! We can only hope!
Before it was possible to video project to any sort of quality I was more interested in sound but it's a secondary consideration now that we do have the possibility of projecting video to the standard of film in the home. Having THX also means that just about everything sounds pretty darned wonderful so it's even less of a consideration but there are exceptions and whereas the recent Dune release sounded terrific the image quality didn't match it.
The Abyss was a very good 'Scope Super 8 release so I think you can be assured a 4K release of that one will be pretty special. It's another Super 35 production and that particular 35mm format seems to punch above its weight judging by Top Gun and Backdraft. Deep Impact would surely be preferable to Armageddon which a whole group of us went to see from work when it was first released but none of us particularly enjoyed. As for U571, that's an example of Hollywood re-writing history but the concerning thing is that some people believe it.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Unfortunately, Hollywood changing up facts is more common than not! We have to choose to watch or not but not to take movies to seriously and use for intended purpose of entertainment! If one believes every movie is factually correct that displays "based on a true story" or "based on true events" then one will be sorely dissapointed if they know the facts. U571 has a great cast and is highly entertaining to me, but that's all it is. Deep Impact is really good too and would like to have it released in 4k soon, I slightly prefer Armadeggon but that's just my preference.
@@gilbertrios5283 The trouble is that people believe films based on facts. The biggest problem film in this regard that I can think of is Braveheart. A great film but a work of fiction that too many people believe is what really happened. John.
@@moviecollector5920 And yet Braveheart is a highly entertaining movie! Lol
Great video.
I sat down to watch the shallows few years ago thinking it would be crap but it's actually very good
I agree David; The Shallows is a real surprise. John.
Le Mans '66 (Ford v Ferrari) captured my attention. I'll be ordering it for sure. My father retired from Ford Motor Company. Years ago we had the opportunity to take a ride in a 1928 Ford Trimotor while at an air show (Willow Run Airport). I have also been to the Edsel and Eleanor Ford House. It's located in Grosse Point Shores, Michigan. Everything in the entire estate (including the property it stands on) is absolutely breathtaking. The artwork (paintings, ect) alone in the mansion is worth $millions$. Now if I could only get my hands on a Ford GT, my world would almost be complete. I've been to Monte Carlo, Monaco. However it wasn't during the Grand Prix. The 2022 race date is just a few days away; May 29th. During my visit there I did learn a lot about Grace Kelly from our tour guide. I recently picked up a Blu-ray copy of Anne of Green Gables (1985), 30th Anniversary Edition. The video quality blew me away. It actually looked better than some 4K transfers I've seen. One of the things im learning about HD and UHD transfers is just how critical it is to actually have the original 35mm film negatives to work with.
I think Le Mans '66 is terrific and one of the best films of recent years. It sounds like you appreciate cars so I think you'll have a good time with it Eric. I've been to Monte Carlo many times myself but never to a Grand Prix. I used to love the Formula 1 series but lost interest soon after the plank of wood was put on the bottom of the cars after the Ayrton Senna crash and I never got back into it. Classic car racing is more of an interest for me now and I've been to several classic race meetings in the USA. Great times.
Anne of Green Gables sounds interesting. It's not too unusual for a standard Blu-ray to look like a 4K or even better at times. I think I underestimated Blu-ray until 4K came out and I started to think a few Blu-rays were actually better. But it's not too essential to have the original camera negative for a 4K transfer because Apocalypse Now rather proved that the interpositive is almost as good. Using the negative does mean the grading all has to be reproduced from scratch and without a good 35mm print to check it against it surely can't be easy to get it spot on. Grading is worked out from the interpositive.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Thanks for the technical descriptions. It's awesome when someone like yourself is willing to interact and educate those that are passionate about home theater as a hobby. Have you ever flown on the SST Concorde? I've seen them perform but not as a passenger. I'm guessing that you've been to the Cannes' Film Festival more times than I've watched Star Wars A New Hope. My first 2 times was in a movie theater (1977); I was 9 years old.
@@ericlozen9631 Whilst I've been to Cannes many times I've never been when the film festival is on. Even when my parents were living a few miles away we never made the trip. But I did fly on Concorde and given my fascination for the history of how the sound barrier was broken and everything that went into it, it was astounding to be travelling at twice the speed of sound, eating a steak and also being able to use a toilet!!! An engineering triumph from a time when mankind was determined to overcome any obstacle thrown at us. We've somewhat lost that drive today but we'll get it back.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 That's Awesome and what an opportunity. I'm not a mathematician but if I had to guess, I'd say that only 0.00000000001% of the world's current population can say that. In real life, George Kennedy (Airport '79) was an aviation enthusiast. He owned and flew a Beechcraft A36 Bonanza for many years. That model is excellent and has been around for decades. Newer models have been put into circulation over the decades but nothing like the frequency of car models.
@@ericlozen9631 Well that explains why George Kennedy kept returning to appear in the Airport films then. I have the Universal 8 2x400ft release of Airport 80 The Concorde but I think it's faded a bit now because it was pre-1982 low fade stocks. I love having anything on film with the Concorde in it. I can remember the days when Concorde was being tested and even at that young age I wanted to fly on it. In the end I felt that we had to do it when we did otherwise something would happen and we'd never get the chance. We flew 9 months before the servicing fault in Paris caused the Air France Concorde crash so we never go the chance to do it again. But at least we did it and that was a life ambition crossed off the list. Sadly it doesn't look like I'm ever going to have a trip to the moon now.
John.
Great video as always John, i agree with your top ten list, have them all but one in my collection which is Le mans 66 which is called Ford vs Ferrari here, i have seen the movie just have not purchased it yet, the John effect will make me buy it now lol
You'll have to let me know if you find Ford V Ferrari the same as I Paul; namely looking just like a film and with very good colour. The sound ain't too bad either!
John.
Hi Andrew, excellent video, thank you. I would like your advice. Can you tell me the best IMAX cinema in London. I remember you saying one cinema was technically better than others. I want to see the David Bowie film "Moonage Daydream" released in September in the most superior quality. Regards Sammy from Liverpool.
Morning Samuel. If the new David Bowie movie is screening anywhere in the West End then it should look pretty much the same as it's unlikely to be an IMAX film. To see true IMAX it needs to have been shot using IMAX 70mm cameras so I expect the new David Bowie movie will be a montage of film and video shot throughout Mr. Bowie's career. If my assumption is correct then the quality of this will be fairly low at times. The best cinema in London now is the BFI IMAX but it's not ideal for seeing widescreen movies as the genuine IMAX screen is so enormous that it's not possible to have masking to cover the top and bottom of that giant screen that won't have any image projected onto it. The Odeon Leicester Square appears to be the only remaining picture palace in the West End but you need to sit in the stalls and in the front half of the stalls to get the benefit of the big screen there. The Empire was the top cinema for a long time but some years ago it was broken up into two studios and what was originally the back half of the greatest auditorium in London is now passed off as IMAX which it isn't. They just project video in there so the days of 70mm premiere releases at The Empire are gone. It's very sad but cinemas are businesses and they have to do what is necessary to stay in business. It's such a shame that the IMAX name is being degraded in this fashion but what is an even bigger shame is that people in general think they are seeing IMAX when they are not.
If Tenet, Dunkirk, Interstellar or The Dark Knight Rises ever gets advertised at the BFI IMAX and it's stated as 15/70 IMAX then that's the time to head to London to see what genuine IMAX is really like. The digital video equivalent is around 45K. Yes, that's forty five.
John.
Should definitely check out Knives Out. Shot mostly digital but with a algorithmic grain filter and clever adjustments to the digital camera's color and contrast profiles, it fooled most people into thinking it was film upon release -- including me.
That sounds really interesting Tom. I do remember the barage of trailers for that film but my wife and I thought the movie itself looked truly awful and we were put off of ever wanting to see it. But it could be that the solution they used to make a video look like film was similar to that used for Le Mans '66. And that is great news because there's a chance all movie makers will adopt it as time goes on.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I would definitely give it a chance. Easily Rian Johnson's best film and much smarter and funnier than the trailers would suggest. But also a film where you have to pay close attention -- a repeat viewing is almost mandatory. Ana De Armas is absolutely wonderful. And I had no idea Daniel Craig had such a knack for comedy. A real whip-turn from Bond.
@@Downhuman74 I'll second that. Wife and I both enjoyed Knives Out. Entertaining and good whodunnit.
@@Downhuman74 All Ana De Armas has to do is stand there and she'd be wonderful! It's going to take a big effort to sit down to watch Knives Out after that trailer. It must have done a lot of damage if it really is a good film because the trailer really succeeded in making it look like one of the most awful movies ever made. What a shame.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 The trailer really doesn't do it justice. It makes it looks a typical zany smart-ass comedy with a whodunnit wrapper. It's definitely a lot more than that. The actual comedic bits are much smarter than the trailer would have you believe and the stuff they show you in the trailer actually hits a bit differently in the context of the movie. And on top of all that, the movie actually has a surprising amount of heart to it. My wife and I thoroughly enjoyed it (our last theatrical movie before the pandemic hit). And de Armas just shines in this. It's her and Daniel Craig's movie all the way. She got a Golden Globe nomination for it -- well deserved.
Hello John, great video you have here! seems 2k digital intermediates have better bloody image quality than 4K digital intermediates! perhaps I might stop thinking so negatively about 2K di's. I witnessed the event of Baraka on 70 last night and can safely say that its better than an 8K tv you see in the store! the colors and clarity make it look absolutely out of this world! have a great day, John!
I was thinking about you this weekend and your 70mm adventure. Let me know if you get another video together as I don't want to miss it!
As for 2K video masters, most cinema screenings over here now are 2K but people can't tell the difference so there is little point in cinemas spending vast sums of money on 4K video projector upgrades. 35mm projectors were always in situ for decades and sometimes in excess of 50 years and now they're pressured to keep upgrading to the latest video equivalent. It's ridiculous really.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I feel like as long as the projected image, when projected on a screen is actually true 4K, I would be over the moon with it. but nowadays, they just use 2K projectors and project it onto a gigantic screen, which then makes the image look like 720p. thankfully, at the Hayden Orpheum picture palace, they have true 4K projectors, then projected onto a pretty large screen, resulting in a true 3K image, which is the best quality I've seen from any cinema here in sydney.
@@ClarkTeddles The possible fly-in-the-ointment there is that so many movies that are issued today are 2K masters so even with a 4K projector it's 2K on screen. It would be interesting to be able to compare a genuine 4K to a 2K on a big screen so hopefully we'll be able to do that on the BFCC 24 foot screen if we can resurrect the convention soon.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 surely dcp’s can store a full uncompressed movie in 4K. I have a terabyte of storage on my computer which would definitely be able to store a full uncompressed film. Apocalypse now in 2k had a uncompressed leak online and the file is 200 gb, so if it were in 4K, it would prolly be about a terabyte or closer
@@ClarkTeddles 4K is already compressed. Remember the frames from my Batman trailer at about 45mb each. Work that out as an uncompressed complete file and I don't think we'd have enough space anywhere much for a two hour film. I think the two minute trailer took up about 500Gb. Of course, it was impossible to stream it as a video as each frame was far too large to handle.
It may have changed now but cinemas were downloading videos onto drive arrays to screen them. Initially they had a 35mm print running in synch with the video just in case of a breakdown.
John.
If you're into HDR in terms of making bright objects brighter and really popping off the screen, I would recommend Alien Covenant. All the monitors and readouts on the ship really stand out, David's flare, rifle laser sightings, etc.
Unfortunately I already have that one on Blu-ray but don't think too much of the film. I will give it another try sometime though and it hasn't spoiled the original 1979 classic for me so perhaps I'll enjoy it more second time around. Then if I like it, a few years later maybe I'll give the 4K a try. Thank you for telling me it's a good 'un in terms of image quality. It was sadly shot on video which is a bit of a surprise as I would have hoped Ridley Scott would still want to use the best tools of the trade. Even sadder perhaps is that it only had a 2K master despite being shot 3.4K. Special effects requiring the downscale as usual I suppose.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Scott may have shot digitally because if it's shot on film, you have to dub it onto digital to do your effects. Shooting in digital eliminates that step. Matt Reeves shot The Batman in digital, finished it in digital, then copied it to film because he wanted the look of film, then back to digital for the theaters and for home media.
@@batman.darthmaul Dune was the same but that one didn't turn out too well. I suspect Le Mans '66 had the same treatment but that one did work. I've put a pre-order in for The Batman with HMV and having finally looked at the trailer for it, it does actually look interesting which is a nice surprise. Computer effects have become a bit of a problem for big budget movies requiring lots of special effects but Super 35 was a better solution. I expect another part of the reason that even Ridley Scott is now having to shoot his movies on video is because there aren't many people left who have good enough experience to shoot on film. That is becoming an increasing problem and one of the reasons why Super 8 is about to be re-launched by Kodak which is an attempt to get youngsters back into starting on film so they'll have the requisite knowledge to become top camera operators.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 You didn't like the Nolan Batman films?
@@batman.darthmaul I liked them very much. I thought the third film was pretty terrific. John.
I have Raiders of The Lost Ark on 4K digital and it looked absolutely fantastic. Gonna pick it up on 4K disc someday.
I've had that one on Super 8 for about 30 years now and it looks fabulous so the 4K disc should be very good too.
John.
LeMans 66 (Ford vs Ferrari) is a phenomenal movie. The sound will knock you out of your seat.
Well said Marvin. A fabulous movie... particularly if you're a petrol head like me! John.
My list would be for movies shot on digital:
The suicide squad
Mad max fury road
1917
Aquaman
Blade Runner 2049
Ghostbusters afterlife
Godzilla v kong
Logan
Great list and video
I haven't got all of those titles Ghetti but I expect a few of them I don't have would have been knocking on the door to get into my top ten movies shot on VIDEO. You might have noticed that I don't use the word 'digital', which means 'binary', as film makers are only using 'digital' to make people think it's something better than shooting video. It isn't. I shoot video and I'd never bother to claim I shoot digitally. How else would we be shooting video today for crying out loud?!?
Rant over. I'll go back to sleep now.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 what about moonfall
The suicide squad is absolutely up there. It was shot entirely on imax-cert red cameras. Its not going to be everyones cup of tea. But beyond some cg softness at times, it looks fantastic.
@@tatsumaru12345 The IMAX video camera used in the last Mission Impossible film gave incredible results so the possibility of superior looking movies on video is out there it's just that film makers are not using them yet. Must be due to cost or some other reason. Perhaps there are things that simply can't be done with them that conventional cameras handle or just handle them better. John.
@Andrei Blanca Don't wear your discs out Andrei!
wasn't blade runner 2049 shot on digital? i have a love and hate relationship with that movie because the first blade runner is one of my all time favorite films. but long story short,one if not the MAIN reasons i have a hard time watching the film is because in my opinion the image looks too "clean" or "sterile" it has a clinical look to it and i really wished that denis would have shot it on real film to give it that "retro look" so it would fit more with the original movie. i love grain in the picture,for me it gives a film that "real film look" that's why i prefer vinyl instead of cd. i need that noise and cracks the vinyl gives.
The image quality of the Blade Runner sequel is variable but a lot of it is very good. The image quality doesn't compare with the original but that was 35mm so quite superior to the rather basic video this one was shot in. I don't call video 'digital' as it's a meaningless term but it does make current movie makers who aren't able to use film feel better about themselves. I think video has improved so much that it's nothing to be embarrassed about now.
John.
I rewatched 2049 right after Blade Runner, and appreciated its story more this time. I think it looks very good. It feels faithful in its design/art direction compared to the original, even though it's set years ahead and we're literally seeing this world through a different film-maker's lens.
But yes, there's something magical about how the original looks, given it was shot on film.
@@johndoe6036 Evening John. One other thing that's possibly worthy of note is that the 1982 film on 4K looks just like a 35mm release print and is better quality than the sequel. I did see Blade Runner when it was re-released as the 'Director's Cut' but I can't recall how it looked; I was just pleased to get a second chance to see it on a big screen at the time. What I'm trying to say is that the 4K discs may actually be better than the original 1982 general release prints. John.
@@moviecollector5920 That's really high praise you've given for Blade Runner's 4k transfer. I've actually never seen it in the cinema, but I've heard about the potential of the format to deliver image quality on par with (or better than) titles originally released on film.
One example I have experienced this with is Serenity (2005). I still enjoy the movie despite its technical flaws. Perhaps this added to the feeling that it was more like a smaller, rough-round-the-edges movie and presentation, as opposed to just another glossy tentpole film. At the three different cinemas I saw the film at, I remember a bit of weirdness with frame-rates, and the colour shifting on one of reel splices - all improved (to my eyes anyway) on 4k.
Still, there's always a debate to be had around how authentic we want these transfers to be when compared with the original release versions.
On that subject, it's worth looking into projects like "4k77" if you haven't already :)
@@johndoe6036 If LucasFilm give their okay for the 4K77 project I'll be in there like a flash. Similarly for 4K80 which is still being worked on I believe. It's so sad that such an historic piece of cinema such as Star Wars is not cherished in its original form. I enjoyed the first 'Special Edition' in 1997 but I don't want to see it again, except perhaps for the end Death Star battle which may have been even better than the original. Fortunately I have all three of the original Star Wars films on Super 8 so I don't have to bother with all the re-hashes.
Blade Runner really is special on 4K. If I was offered a 35mm print and it was affordable then I'd have to buy it but the 4K is so good that it really does negate the need for a film print of that great movie. The sequel doesn't match it in terms of either the basic look and feel of that original film nor the image quality. I suspect I will enjoy the sequel more when I finally watch it again but I have tried it twice and felt disappointed on both occasions.
With regards to image quality in cinemas, we have taken a step backwards but people are in general convinced that things are moving forwards with public relations campaigns claiming 'Digital' as often as possible. If we used the correct word of 'Binary' then it wouldn't all sound so wonderful and people would stand a chance of seeing 'digital' for what it really is. Don't get me wrong, I am astounding by the quality of video today but it is currently a step back on what we enjoyed in cinemas in days gone by.
I think I need to finally give Serenity a try.
John.
Greetings from a Sunny Canada 🇨🇦! All great movies! I find myself having to choose sound or video as the main reason for watching a new 4k movie these days. Very few seem to have both nailed down. I am a fan of Villeneuve and DUNE was amazing for me. It was streamed via Apple TV, but the damn thing kept me awake! I fell asleep twice..without ever finishing the old one. Let’s hope TOP GUN 2 🛩 is as good as they’re saying!
Dune is one of the best soundtracks I've heard Jeremy but the image quality didn't really work on either of my systems. I think Top Gun 2 is going to be a winner in that respect because it looks like they've used large format video judging by the previews that have been made available. It should be as good as the original in that regard anyway and we all know how good that one looks and sounds on 4K disc. Quite exciting really.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 speaking of bad video, The Matrix Trilogy 4k set isn’t that great. Whites are constantly blown out and I have to be aggressive with my HDR settings to tame them. It’s distracting and ruins the suspension of disbelief for me. The 4th movie in the set was good visionally/sonically but story made me want to barf. Theatre with a Splash zone! 🤮 💦
@@jeremyj. To be fair though, The Matrix wasn't exactly the best looking film ever distributed to cinemas. But it was around that time when computer animation was driving movie making but the capability to output it in the same quality as 35mm didn't seem to exist. Have a look at the low quality of some of the computer generated images in The Matrix and it is really poor which may have meant the rest of the film was deliberately dulled down a bit to help make it all match somewhat better.
John.
Lucy's VQ is amazing, did not know that it was shot on "Some" IMAX, that makes sense. Thanks for the video, I am going to buy "Hunter Killer"... I have not seen this and I love Butler.
-Also saw "valerian and the city of a thousand planets" on Blu-Ray and it looked amazing, VQ must be Mindblowing on 4K.
Should do a video on the "Best Movies" that also happens to have the best "4K Video Quality"...I always agree with you on:
1. Murder on the Orient Express (On of my favorite movies of all time, Top 15. Which says a lot, because I own about 2,000 movies)
2. Ford v Ferrari (Awesome on so many levels...and it is based off a true story, facts).
3. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Wild/Mind Blowing Movie & Great VQ. Not sure if I totally understand the movie after all these years, but maybe that is the point???)
4. The Dark Knight (One of the best movies of all time - IMHO - and the the IMAX shots are breathtaking. The ONLY I find distracting is the tall building in the very beginning, the vents in the building "Flicker" as the camera moves/zooms in. Distracts me every time. It is on the Blu-Ray & the 4K. I thought they would have fixed in the 4K OR the 4K would have had enough "Resolution/Disk Space" to fix it on its own)
5. Apocalypse Now
6. Others
Now, I understand, not all GREAT movies have not made it to 4K...and not all great movies that have made it to 4K, do not all have great 4K VQ.
And, great movies are subjective...I know there a TON of people that love the God Father Movies, but I fall asleep every time I try and watch them.
Maybe you could separate the "Best Movie" with "Best 4K VQ" Categories:
1. Best B&W
2. Best Western
3. Best Musical
4. Best Sci-Fi
5. Best Action
6. Best Drama
7. Best Comedy
8. Best Detective
9. Best Whatever/Misc
Just an idea to keep you busy for the next 2 years ;)
Now that would be quite a task to go through all the genres and it would be a tall order to come up with definitive lists because even with the two top ten 4K videos I've done so far I'm always chopping and changing and then when both have been finished I've realized I've missed off one or two. But you have a great list of 'Best movies' up there Bob. We have strikingly similar taste but I do think the third of the Christopher Nolan films in his Batman series is the best. So much of that was shot in genuine IMAX and it had better villains even though I realize people liked Heath Ledger as The Joker in the second film.
John.
I saw Hunter Killer when it came out. I remember it having a drab color scheme and that's prevented me from buying it on video. Please correct me if I'm wrong? Keep up the good work with your movie picture quality recommendations, the're on the money! Thanks!!
It's a dark film Trevor so that's probably why you had that impression. However, it looks good at home here so perhaps you saw it at a cinema that had an old video projector because there are a lot of them about. Gone are the days of cinemas all enjoying similar high standards from 35mm film. Some of those 35mm machines had been in place since the 1930s and sometimes even earlier than that but video projectors are out of date in a few years. More regular expense to put cinemas at risk.
John.
OK, so my recollection was correct. I'll wait for it to stream on Netflix or Prime. Thanks again!
@@trevorbartram5473 It does look pretty terrific on my system Trevor so I think you saw a sub-standard video projection. It would be a good exercise to get that disc if you can find it cheap enough (sometimes goes for a tenner in HMV) to see if it's better at home than it was in the cinema. I would almost put money on that it would be better.
John.
Important Note, when they list 3.4K that means it was shot on a ARRI Alexa of some kind. Only ARRI has 3.4K spec for resolution. This is also true for 2.8K, that means it is a older ARRI Alexa camera.
Thank you for that information Darren. I'll keep an eye out for that in future to see if there is a trend for better image quality despite the lower resolution which is evidently not the main factor in how the end product looks. John.
Tosh 😂😂 is that a Technical term? 😂 Great review again John
I think it will be a technical term from now on Andy. But I do very much like Valerian despite it being a load of tosh!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 lolllllllll like very much Valerian you brought my attention with tosh ;-)
@@robertrobitaille320 Nothing wrong with a bit of tosh every now and then Robert. Valerian is wonderful looking rubbish so it's one of those works of art you can just look at as much as anything else. John.
Great review yet again John,I've got to pick up a copy of ford Vs Ferrari 👍🏻
It's a great film Gary. One of the best of recent years I think. Now I must get myself a GT40!!!
John.
Great list! Do you have The Revenant, Sicario and the John Wick trilogy in your collection? They look phenomenal.
I have The Revenant on Blu-ray and it looks good but I don't have the others. You are the third to recommend Sicario. Some have recommended Knives Out too and I found a copy of that today for £8 so I'll keep my eyes open.
John.
Sicario is great. I think Josh Brolin is one heck of an actor.
@@marvinmurakami8828 Well that's four recommendations for Sicario now Marvin.
When you say shot on video I keep thinking videotape. Do you mean shot digitally?
All video cameras use computer files now Tom so the term 'digital' is only used to make current movie makers feel better about not using film. A bit daft really because video is so good now that it's nothing to be embarrassed about any longer.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Okay thanks, that makes sense!
fantastic video as always John.
I was of the opinion that Fast and the Furious really was the bottom of the barrel for movie watching but I have to admit that parts 5 - 7 are pretty damn good.
yet to see 8 and 9.
thanks again for the recommendations my friend.
I nearly bought 9 today Bumper but that was in a branch of CEX and I couldn't face dealing with the staff! Maybe I'll visit again tomorrow and feel a little more motivated.
John.
Nice video matey, I have to confess that i have not upgraded to 4K yet as was told in HMV that 4K is not selling as well as Blu ray or DVD by a member of staff and did read on google that there has been a slight decline in sales. So i am just getting blu rays for now but nice to see you like the format.
It has more to do with the dominance of streaming and 4K players are still expensive
4K is currently 7% of the home video disc market David. It's grown substantially and that's why so many new titles have appeared lately. DVD is still the king but Blu-ray has finally reached equal sales of films but not of television series and other documentaries. If it had have been called something coherent rather than Blu-ray then it possibly would have taken over within a few years of launch. I plan to keep all my discs indefinitely so I'll be getting the 4K titles while they're available and will hopefully be able to enjoy them for decades to come.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Nearly all my TV shows are on DVD and look great upscaled. Most have never got a Blu-ray release. also, I hear that the Blu's released by MillCreek were of poor quality.
@@paulconway384 Funnily enough I just purchased a TV series on DVD today. Somehow it's not so important to have them on Blu-ray like it is with films. John.
Valerian is a really nice example of the use of the expanded HDR Gamut.
And the bigger it's projected, the better it seems to look. John.
Deepwater Horizon is one of the best! Great list.
Greetings Jeff. It really shouldn't be one of the best but it seems that the shrink down from the larger video formats have done the trick just like with genuine IMAX and VistaVision have with movies shot on film. Hope you're keeping well over there.
John.
Just discovered and love your channel.
Good to have you here Gary. John.
A film I bought purely for the video quality ( but not the story ) was Godzilla V Kong on 4k, absolutely stunning, coupled with a great audio. Deffo a demo disk for anyone coming round to see what 4k can do.
I agree with Bond NTTD, my fav bond film ever ( live n let die was previously), Ive recently bought Batman and Dune on 4k yet to view but I bought DRIVE the other week and was still blown away by the PQ and AQ but then again its one of my fav films ever.
I will purchase LeMans and Lucy cheers John.
Greetings Carl. I can't seem to generate the enthusiasm for Godzilla vs. Kong even though it's been selling quite cheaply on occasion. The original Godzilla/Gojira was good and I liked the Roland Emmerich version about 25 years ago but I struggle with all these monster mash-ups these days. I thought the most recent James Bond was pretty terrific and the image quality owing to the genuine IMAX sequences makes it even more special. I also thought Drive was rather wonderful and how it looked enhanced it further. Second Sight had 8000 of those special Collector's Edition packs and they've all gone so I reckon it's been surprisingly successful for them. Batman (1989) is a fabulous 4K disc too but Dune can disappoint if it displays too dark on your system. Not all systems have that problem but it was the same in cinemas with variable results in cinemas too so it's a bit of a strange one but I suppose we're all still learning.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Cheers John, hope you are well. Ive a few older films to watch yet that Ive recently purchased on 4k just not had chance to view due to Uni but now Ive a bit of time I will dust them off, they:
The Ran (suppose to be stunning)
BattleRoyale (tarantinos fav film)
Crash
Three Billboards outside Ebbing
Ten Commandments ( which ive had a glance through and its beautiful)
1917
that Lucy looks great despite the bad reviews.
cheers again Carl.
@@C4rL72 Three Billboards Outside Ebbing Missouri is a marvellous film. Lucy is a terrific ride so I don't understand why it received a bad reception. The Ten Commandments has the best colour I've ever seen on a home video (IB Tech process) and 1917 is one of the best quality movies shot on video so far, even if it does look a little fake perhaps. You're going to have a thoroughly good time going through that little collection. Right now, I'm setting up a Super 8 projector to have a look at Predator. John.
Have you seen the judge dredd movie? Not the Stalone one. Some great effects
I haven't seen it. i did enjoy the original Stallone version but I only ever saw it the once and that was at the cinema upon first release. Maybe I should try that again first as all the comic book adaptations lately have rather put me off. I'm getting old!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 you really should watch the newest one dredd 3d. I'm not privy to all the aspect ratio terminology and colour definitions etc but dredd had some amazing colours
@@backbackforward I might just do that soon but not in 3D. I'm not ready to give that old chestnut another try just yet but the time is coming again. When 3D is a novelty for an occasional bit of fun then it's okay but as a mainstream thing I don't have the patience for it. John.
@@moviecollector5920 the blu ray 3d is optional I'm in the same boat not a massive fan of 3d
@@backbackforward Picture quality suffers once 3D glasses are required. Having said that, I saw Omnimax 3D with liquid crystal glasses at Futuroscope years ago and that was astounding. Colour and clarity was maintained and being Omnimax meant that things really did come off the screen and go right past you. Nothing else has ever matched that. John.
A fine number one John, I got so immersed in the story I forgot how much Christian Bale usually frustrates me with his acting “style”.
It's possible he was created to play the part of Ken Miles. But he was a good Batman too even if not quite up to the height of Michael Keaton. I don't think there can be a petrol head on planet Earth that wouldn't enjoy Le Mans '66/Ford v Ferrari.
John.
there is this new process of shooting a film on video and then later on transferring it to film to get the film look. Very interesting how film is still preferred in the digital age.
That was done for Dune but it wasn't exactly a success so back to the drawing board perhaps. Having said that, perhaps it was done for Le Mans '66 and if that was the case, that worked perfectly. John.
Lawrence of Arabia's gonna have a new 4K release coming for it's 60th anniversary this June. Do you plan on checking it out?
Love your reviews
I probably will give the Lawrence disc a bit of a bash Doggo. It's pretty darned good on Blu-ray but it's a 65mm shoot so we all know it's going to be up there with the best.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 it’s probably just the same disc as the paramount collection set just an individual release but reviewers have said it’s really good
@@GringoXalapeno I hope all the other reviewers have been able to point out that it's so good because it was shot on 65mm film for 70mm release. I live in hope that I've been spreading a bit of understanding in that regard because before I started this channel it did used to frustrate me that a review would claim a great transfer when it was the original format that was responsible for top-notch image quality.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 the channel films at home is a huge champion of movies shot on film and he’s a young guy but has the strong opinion that older movies look better because they were shot on film with less visual effects
@@GringoXalapeno He's on the right track. Shame he's a bit too young to have been into Super 8 film collecting before the home video market got going because that's where all the lessons were learned for me and that started me off on a path from about the age of 3.
John.
The Meg looks stellar on my TV. Had no problems whatsoever with HDR. Of course I'm using Dolby Vision which that could be the reason.
Could be Randy but if you do have another look at it see if it looks even better with the HDR/Dolby Vision turned down as you may find the colour and contrast improve further.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Just watched the movie again with Dolby Vision turned off and found that not only are the extra colours muted but also the amount of colour detail is missing. I prefer it with Dolby Vision on. Keep in mind I am watching the movie on a 65" LG C9 that I won the panel lottery on. Once I get my projector I will see if my thoughts change on the film.
@@randybradley4151 HDR can be turned down Randy and that sometimes makes a real difference to how good a movie looks. Sounds like Dolby Vision is either on or off. The Meg is so overblown that the exterior shots are best with it set to 25% or lower but then when the night scenes come on it's too dark. You just can't win sometimes!
i really like the new 4K Disc of Looper, it just looks incredible.
I keep meaning to purchase a copy of that one Erhard. Thanks for the reminder.
John.
Watching this made me realize my collection is almost entirely film based! Sheesh. I guess I have a type
For me Lucy is the standard for video and HDR. If we get more like that I can't complain! Sicario and The Revenant were also pretty decent. Nothing special but it never bothered me that I was watching video so that's a win.
Ghost in the Shell is one I've somehow missed. Thank you for the recommendation.
Most of my video collection has come from film originally. The simple fact is that as it stands today film is still the best image quality. Le Mans '66 has proved that the gap is narrowing though.
John.
I agree with Lucy, the VQ is AMAZING, without being Over the Top VQ wise...like "Gemini Man".
If you want to see an amazing "Window Into the World", what "Gemini Man" on 4K...VQ is so amazing, it is distracting at times.
@@bobswanson8464 Funnily enough, I can't stand the look of Gemini Man. But I think I'd consider it sensational in 3D because that seems to have been what the film makers were aiming for primarily. Apparently it was 120fps so that indicates to me that it was 60fps per eye and even though it looks unrealistic and more like a computer generated cartoon in 2D I suspect that would all be transformed in 3D as you get transported to another world. So even though I think the movie itself is rather poor I'd still pay to see it on a big screen in 3D.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I agree, "Gemini Man" video is very weird at 120fps.
When I said amazing...I should have said "WILD". It is a wild video to watch, in some ways it is the best/clearest 4K video, but also can be most disturbing/distracting/strange 4K video.
Good video as always
Thanks Victor. I think a trip to HMV is required as I've run out of things to do videos about now. John.
the HDR on furyroad continues to bug me because of the flames looking so cartoony even though it was practically shot on location
I might prefer the regular Blu-ray for it because of that. And since the Blu-ray has the Atmos track too…
Or you could turn off HDR and see if that makes the 4K look better on your system. Might be worth a try.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 if I turn off HDR on my setup, the color loses ALL vibrancy
I've fiddled with my system a lot.
In this case, the bluray for FURY ROAD is perfectly solid (especially since FURY ROAD is a very mixed bag in terms of image quality due to a bunch of the movie being shot with Canon 5Ds)
@@mcnooj82 I expected that the 4K would look identical to the Blu-ray with HDR off. Surprising and interesting that it does not. I know all our systems are different but there does seem to be something incompatible on yours between player and television. Then again, it could just be that title and we may all have foibles like this but haven't spotted them yet. You could be the first!
@@moviecollector5920 I have a used oppo-udp-203 and a 2016 LG OLED
It could simply be that I’ve never used a “hdr to sdr” mode, but I’m pretty certain that I have tried all the settings just to explore them. And when I did, turning off HDR felt like the image went into an ugly LOG mode that muted everything (color, contrast, luminosity etc)
Very ugly!
Anyway, thank you for the suggestions! I really enjoy your channel.
@@mcnooj82 I had an incompatibility that I couldn't find when I first got my Optoma UHD550X video projector. I found it in the end and it was a misinterpretation between the player and the projector but I gave up for a while and turned HDR off. At that point I could not discern a difference between 4K and Blu-ray when the film had come from the same master file but I naively assumed the difference was there really. My problem was creating digital banding occasionally on about 10% of 4K titles and it got on my nerves to say the least. A eureka moment when I found an obscure option behind one of the menu selections but I now can't recall if it was on the player or the projector.
The Batman review is up this evening.
John.
Love your reviews but just hink the 2021 version of Dune should be on here that 4k is both audio and visually awesome.
The sound on Dune is among the best I've heard Daniel but it's let down by the image quality. The last 25 minutes are the worst otherwise I'd have thought it was okay overall. Looks a bit better on my telly but I suppose that's true of all discs as it's tiny compared to projection. John.
@@moviecollector5920 will watch that portion over again. Appreciate your reviews, have a great week.
Great selection 👍....I'm only buying 4ks that were shot on film at the moment.....I feel like movies shot on video and only marginally better than ther blu ray counterpart...and not worth double the price....
Le Mans '66 is an exception there Roy but I understand what you're saying. Most of them seem to be 2K masters anyway so it does seem a little pointless on the face of it. But HDR is the difference that makes it worthwhile... usually.
John.
If you interested watching the fast and furious films, I would recommend watching them as they were released, even though the timeline is abit iffy after the third one, it Makes more sense.
Plus I don't overthink these films, they are super cheesy, but loveable, you just have switch off your brain. Haha
Enjoyable tosh by the sound of it Chris. I rather like enjoyable tosh. Who knows, I might even enjoy the first film now even though I didn't when it was new. John.
@@moviecollector5920 movies 4-7 are my favourite ones, they start to establish what they want these movies to be... Enjoyable tosh. Haha
Ya know......... people talk about good looking 2k DI discs, and how the DI doesn't really matter - but there's nothing to compare it with - imagine how much better it would look from a 4K DI. It's similar to 65mm films - Baraka is the best looking standard Blu-Ray I own - it had an 8K DI scan... sure: it could've had a 2k scan, and people probably would've been happy, but the 8K scan captured a mass of detail, that translated even to a 1080p disc.
What about the spirit within?
That looks pretty good, and it's a 2kdi.
I don't have Spirit Within otherwise I might have included it. Haven't actually seen it so you've tempted me now.
As for 65mm film the data equivalent works out to about 15K but I suppose it gets to a point when we can't perceive any more so there is no point in taking up the disc space. Clark Teddles has just shot a video of Baraka being screened in 70mm at his local cinema and has a second shoot coming soon. He's in Australia otherwise I'd have joined him!
I plan to do a 2K vs. 4K test on our 24 foot wide 'Scope screen if we can resurrect the BFCC so that should be interesting. I'm not sure 24 feet will be quite enough to show a difference but I hope so.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I'd love to see Baraka in 70mm - and if they ever get around to releasing it in 4k, I think it'll blow everything else out of the water... especially if they do a 15k scan ;)
@@domcoke I need to keep an eye on the schedule for the Prince Charles Cinema Domcoke as I think they may keep a 70mm print of Baraka. They regularly seem to put a 70mm print of 2001 A Space Odyssey on so there's hope for some of us yet. John.
Whatever you've done with your lighting/camera setup, it's much better now.
Nothing. Just playing with grading to bypass the foibles introduced by RUclips when the translation messes it up. Damned annoying when you produce something that looks rather special and then you see the same thing on the same monitor after RUclips has done its worst and it looks like... tosh!
John.
Great list my friend 👍
Thank you J B.
Le Mans 66 and Mad Max - Fury Road are clear top pitchs. They just look so good for what the a filmed on. Anyways 007 - No Time to Die is on my top 5, just a solid work.
We're on the same lines then NightBreaker. I wish I knew how they'd manage to make Le Mans '66 look so good. John.
I’m shocked that Ford v Ferrari/Le Mans 66 was digital! I saw it in Laser IMAX and would have bet it was film. Wow.
I keep wondering if the reports are wrong Cody but then the extras show the making of the film with video cameras. It's an amazing achievement that proves that video can be a match for film. The makers of that one need to educate their fellow film makers to show them how to do it.
John.
Recently discovered your channel some great information
Good to have you here. I've collected home movies for over 50 years now and because I started with film it does help when judging how good a home video looks. Still play with film as often as possible though. John.
Great video as always John.
I agree Valerian is as you say entertaining tosh. While the two lead characters just didn’t have the same charisma as Mila and Bruce from Fifth Element, the rest of the cast were good and it’s a film that whisks you along merrily without too much brain involvement needed. However I was disappointed by the image, for some reason I hoped it would be pin sharp and a real demo disc due to all the colourful CGI on offer but it didn’t quite do it for me.
I love Mad Max but again the disc looked posterised and after many people had said how good it was, I found myself a little disappointed.
Blade Runner 2049 for me is up there at the top of my pics. I actually enjoyed the subdued palette, and found the image to be exactly how I remember from the cinema. It’s a shame Denis doesn’t really get on with HDR as much, from the test Vincent (HDTV Test) it’s SDR in a HDR container.
I’m not sure if you’ve watched the 4K of Sicario yet but to me this is one beautiful looking film shot on Video. Shot on the Arri Alexa Xt at 3.4K and has a 4K DI. It’s a very natural looking palette but has some splashes of colour here and there. Worth checking out if you haven’t already.
I haven't seen Sicario but I will eventually. So many movies shot on video have been a let down that it's been a bit of a trial and error to get into them. The ten in this list are all really good and there are plenty more but it's interesting that the only one in this list to rival film is Le Mans '66. But as I said, it proves it can be done. That Mad Max film seems to look different every time I look at it but I based it on when I looked at it a few nights previously because I must have dropped into a sweet spot and then couldn't find it again. On another day there would be a bit of variation in the final order. It was similar with the Blade Runner sequel but if you skip the opening it does give a better impression. That opening was written for the original film but they didn't use it so it's just a shame it had to end up looking so grey.
Valerian is a little soft but on a big screen it looks impressive owing to all the colour. Not one for a telly perhaps but there are some really big tellies out there that might do it justice. I don't know how you go about masking a 2.40:1 film off on a telly though which would also work against it.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 unfortunately you’re correct and movies shot on video just don’t seem to capture everything.
I also agree, movies do look different every time you watch them and can differ based on viewing conditions.
I haven’t seen Le Man ‘66 so I will certainly add it to my list. Although I have currently around 9 films yet to be watched which we purchased recently.
As for masking, I don’t think it’s a practical exercise for TV, especially in the living room. With it being OLED, if I turn off the lights and watch in near darkness that suffices, however my partner doesn’t like complete darkness for film watching so a small lamp is used off to the left of the screen so as not to cast any reflections.
I’m thoroughly enjoying your reviews and insights in to the differences between film and video and then their respective transfers over to UHD. Every day is a school day and I much appreciated your efforts.
@@MartinPearman Some tellies are so big now that I think they need to chance the shape to the 'Scope ratio and have black bars at the sides for 16x9 programming. That would solve the issue to black bars top and bottom for movie watching but I don't suppose the average person in the street would be interested in a telly like that. Actually, I think Philips gave a 2.40:1 telly a go about 15 years ago now that I've thought about it. Obviously didn't sell.
I've found that I've learned quite a lot myself doing these reviews. Before having this channel I didn't have to think about the various film formats too much but it's a different kettle of fish when you have to explain them to others and it took a while to get it all clear in my head.
John.
Great video I need to add a few of your suggestions
Don't spend too much! John.
@Movie Collector - I'm sorry but I have to disagree with your statement about PQ being the most important aspect. Picture Quality and Audio Quality mean nothing if the movie/story isn't good. Story is heads and tails the most important part above all else, IMO. As a result I think your list is bonkers, respectfully.
We're in complete agreement there. This was a run down of the best looking 4K discs in terms of image quality. I should have made that clearer. But Le Mans '66 is one of the best films of recent years as far as I'm concerned so see what you think of that one. And the score is perfect too. John.
According to hdtv test, blade runner 2049 is essentially a SDR colour grading in a HDR envelope.
Most of it looks really good but some of it is too bland. The opening is what really hurts it as it creates a bad first impression. And of course, the original film looks so much better. John.
I would very much like to know why Dune 2021 did not make your list!
Why do you think it should? Sound alone is not a reason for me. Having said that, some are pleased with the image quality so there does seem to be a bit of variation out there as to how it displays but we haven't been able to work out what the common denominator is. Most have found it too dark and I did think it was the worst I'd seen in that regard but in fact The Hunt For Red October takes the top spot as there are long sequences much like that sandworm sequence in Dune where you can barely see anything. I did look at Dune again for this one but it's quite poor on both my systems. Sound is about as good as I've heard though.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 you did not like the 4K regrade of Hunt for Red October? Yes its a lot darker tham the Blu Ray. I liked it and people say it is closer to what it was in the cinema. I never saw it in the cinema. The first time was on broadcast TV in germany.
Regarding Dune, If you grade the films only on technical perfection I can see why Fast Furious 9 may come out ahead. But if we judge by "looked great/impressive/convincing" I think Dune has to be there. Looked great in the cinema and on my OLED with the disc as well. Have not seen the Disc on a projector. I understand your results might vary.
Top Gun Maveric will be a strong contender, saw it yesterday in the cinema and it looked very good!
@@Furudal Dune really isn't that impressive on either my television or video projector which was a real disappointment. But it's not quite so disappointing when you put it on later and expect it to look fairly poor so much of my initial disappointment was down to expectation. Transferring it to film and then back again could have worked if it hadn't been so dark because making a movie look like it was shot on film should be the ambition of all productions because it tends to look more realistic. So Dune deserves respect for the attempt even if it doesn't appear to have been entirely successful this time.
Of all the movies I've seen shot on video Le Mans '66 is the exception so far. I didn't see The Hunt For Red October in the cinema but it was unlikely to have been released looking as dark as it is on 4K disc. It's possible that when it was re-graded this time around it looked fine on the monitors or projectors being used but our home equipment isn't the same sort of level. When a negative is transferred there is no grading as it is all done afterwards. When movie distribution was on film the grading was worked out from the interpositive which is the next generation down from the negative and from which an internegative is then created with all the grading applied and it is the internegative that was used to strike the general release prints. This means it has to be reproduced for a video release which has used the original negative as the master and I don't suppose anything looks exactly as it did when first done for 35mm release prints. Apocalypse Now must have been almost identical though as they had an original, unfaded 35mm print on hand to check their work against.
If I were still living in the West End of London I'd have gone to see the new Top Gun on release day too but outside of central London a cinema visit is a risky business these days since 35mm distribution ceased. Results are so variable owing to the myriad video projectors being used and some of them are awful. When video projection was first being installed it was the top West End cinemas that had it first and it was such a downgrade on the premiere master prints we'd been enjoying. So much so that i stopped going to the cinema and would only go once a year or so, get disappointed and try again a year or so later. Now I only tend to go when I know a film print is being screened but the new Top Gun in the West End or the BFI IMAX would be a worthwhile exception because the clips released have shown us that the video cameras used are excellent.
John.
Elysium and Sully 4k blurays are awesome as well
Sully is one that's on the shelf but I didn't think to pull it off and check it for this. Whoops!
@@moviecollector5920 also consider Rogue One 4k bluray as well.
@@rajeevreddy_t I have that on Blu-ray. It's rather good. Originally saw the 70mm blow-up print at the BFI IMAX which looked surprisingly good considering its origins.
John.
Lucy and Fast and Furious 8 are some of my favorite movies. I’ll have to pick them up in the future.
Both look fabulous Craig so you shouldn't be disappointed. And they're usually relatively cheap now too.
John.
New subscriber from canada. Greetings
Greetings Carlos. Good to have you here. John.
Le mans 66 is a great film, you are right the sound track is great.
It's a shame all movies shot on video are not made the same way Chris.
John.
It should be a crime to watch Valerian in flat 2D. One of the most beautiful 3D movies ever.
When it comes to movies like this 3D Blu-Ray > 4K all day long.
3D isn't for everyone Juice. I always enjoy it as a novelty but can't watch anything more than short sequences that way. A lot of people are the same. It looks fabulous in 2D and I can imagine how amazing it would look in 3D but it's just not an option for me.
Nice to know there are at least two of us who like Valerian!
John.
Well, I own and agree with you about numbers 5 through 2. So, waddaya know; Blade Runner 2049?!?! I respect a man who can change his mind; I'm happy you (now) like it!
It's just a shame that the image quality isn't up to the standard of the 1982 film really. John.
''Hugely enjoyable tosh'' Haha!
And I thought I might upset a few people by saying that about Valerian Jeff. But I do very much like the film despite it being a load of tosh.
John.
Great choices
Thank you Steph.
John.
Gemini man , Billy Lynn half time walk ? Those look fantastic ,also 60fps , some don't like it , I personally did .
I'm afraid I think Germini Man is the worst 4K disc in my collection but I bet it would have been different if when screened at 120fps for 3D presentation. It's a novelty item but I prefer film and video to look realistic. I haven't seen the others you've mentioned. Le Mans '66 is the best video I've seen so it would be interesting to know what you think of that one as it looks like film. Gemini Man is more like a computer game and that could mean it's a generational thing.
John.
Le Mans ‘66 was called Ford Vs Ferrari in North America. I wonder why the name change.
That's because Le Mans doesn't really mean much in the USA. Sebring and Daytona are the two big racing names in the US whereas everyone over this side knows Le Mans even if they have little interest in the annual race. To be fair, I don't think many people have much interest in it these days but from the earliest days of motoring up to the 1980's it had an almost legendary reputation.
John.
Great selection. I think 2001 was really great in 4 k
That's because it was shot in 65mm Bryan so even though much of the original negative had turned to dust the dupe negative for those sections was still of high quality. There are even better looking 65mm films on 4K disc.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 really I love movies I appreciate your knowledge .
Video = Digital???
I don't think many professional film makers today would use Hi8 and I doubt any of the other analogue video systems have survived for professional usage but I'm happy to be corrected there. Digital is a fashionable sounding word to make us think something is better than it is. Digital is actually an alternative for the word 'binary' but that doesn't sound anywhere near as good. Film makers say they are shooting digitally because they find it embarrassing to admit they're shooting on video rather than film. Now that video is so good I don't see the point of that any longer.
John.
John is absolutely right when calling it video. Digital is too vague, it doesn’t mean anything since pretty much everything is “digital” nowadays. And Video is not perojative either, the technology has seriously evolved since VHS and DV 😬
Where “shooting on film” is basically an “lightprint” on a chemical support, “video” is a “conversion/translation” of light into a sequence of electric signals. Two different processes, tools (and Arts imho).
@@moviecollector5920 I think "Digital" is really a short-hand for "Digital Video Recording". I don't think it is fair to say that it it is interchangeable with "Video", since there is also analog video recording devices, such as a magnetic-tape based cameras. "Digital" cameras were a distinct technology from analog cameras. Short-handing the term to say something was shot "digitally" I think is more specific (and therefore a superior term) than simply saying it was shot on "video". :)
@@nacthenud No analogue video is around today except for the few people still using a Hi8 camera and things like that. I still have one of those myself but it only gets used for transferring Hi8 tapes to a computer nowadays. No, all video today uses computer files so video is the correct term. Video is so good now that modern movie makers who cannot use film no longer need to feel embarrassed about using video because a few movies such as Le Mans '66 have proved that it can now rival film. I shoot video myself and I'd feel like an idiot if I were to tell people "I shoot digital".
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Agree to disagree then. Might be a bit of a cultural terminology thing here, too. North American vs British English have many differences as I well know growing up in Canada with English parents.
Valerian looks amazing
The bigger it's blown up, the better it looks. It's just one of those movies that you can sit there and look at.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 agree. I wish movie was better
Sir please watch Aquaman is great in 4k even on Steaming
I don't think that's really my sort of thing Anul. I will give the latest Batman film a try though but all these other comic book characters didn't really appeal when I was a child. I did try many of them but always stuck to Spider-Man and Batman with the occasional dip into Superman.
John.
First to comment. Wanna say how lame it is when movies shot on early Digital Video cameras are moved onto the format. Requiem for a Dream, Collateral, and others really show their limits.
I didn't know Collateral was shot on video. What a terrible shame because that is a terrific movie. Does explain why the recent 4K release has been slagged off so much I suppose. Surely it can't be as bad as the Star Wars film 'Attack of the Clones'?
John.
@@moviecollector5920 it’s true. Michael Mann used digital for his first time ever 3 years before (2001) for a few of the night shots of Ali starring Will Smith.
I'm a bit of a Mann fan. Ali, Collateral, Miami Vice, Blackhat, digital shoots. He got better with different cameras. Collateral really gets ugly at night with motion, it's very blurry. Miami Vice faired a little better, especially with color. Blackhat is the 'best' looking, it's closest to real film, but you can tell from some of the shots, and the missing grain and/or artificial looking grain. I think Fincher and his DPs handle digital cinematography way better. Mann should collaborate and could pick up some tips.
@@decline.enjoyer When you look at movies shot on video today and see that they're often not up to 35mm general release print quality I can only imagine how awful those video scenes would have looked in 2001. That Star Wars film was the worst quality I've ever seen in a cinema but a lot of it was down to inadequate video projection (which is much of the problem with cinema today).
Great.I'm Your fan.
Good to have you here. John.
Valerian and 2049 in 3D are the best.
I can imagine Valerian would work really well in 3D Gary. Maybe one day I'll give it a go as I do have a few 3D discs so the next video projector (hopefully still quite a few years away) will have to have 3D capability just so I can give 3D another try. I've always regarded it as a novelty and tend to return to it every ten years or so.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I have about 300 3D movies and only 150 4K. My Benq projector handles 3D well, I think you’ll enjoy it on a projector that can handle it.
@@garyharper2943 Valerian is one film I would make the effort to see in 3D. Unlike most it's got that look that would work well as a 3D even if the overall image quality would take a hit as it always does once you stick polarized glasses on your nose!
John.
I recently got the 4K of Tarantino's 'Inglourious Basterds' and I thought the Picture Quality was outstanding! I also think the 4K remaster of 'The Lord Of The Rings' looks phenomenal as well. You should check them out if you haven't already.
Morning Cooper. Both of those were shot on film if I'm not mistaken. But Lord of the Rings was fairly poor image quality at the cinema when it was first released so I never managed to get into that one. Hopefully they've gone back and done work on it because it was probably the low quality special effects that meant the rest of it had to be downgraded so perhaps re-compiling and re-exporting the computer animation at higher quality has resulted in a more satisfactory home video release. One day I'll try it again and them maybe I'll see the sequels too. I haven't seen Inglorious Basterds as I'm not really the biggest Quentin Tarrantino fan. I have tried a few but I find the portrayal of violence a bit difficult much of the time but I did prefer True Romance this time around so there's hope for me yet.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Yeah I agree about the Picture Quality of 'The Lord Of The Rings' when they were first released in cinemas in the 2000s. The Blu Ray of the Trilogy released back in 2012 looks awful. The Colours and Picture Quality was so washed out. The Extended Edition Blu Ray set released around the same time was a major improvement, with the colours really popping. Plus the 6•1 Sound Mix was a welcome addition as well.
But the most recent 4K Trilogy Box Set from 2020 is the superior version. Both Theatrical and Extended versions are on there. I believe the Sound Mix is still the same but the Picture Quality is where it's at. It's a beautiful restoration.
I myself am a massive Quentin Tarantino fan. I have been since I saw 'Pulp Fiction' on TV when I was about 15. It was heavily edited of course, but I instantly became a fan of his work. My favourite film of his is the aforementioned 'Inglourious Basterds', so I couldn't help double dipping for the 4K of it.
He loves shooting on Film so it's no wonder the 4K looks fantastic.
Yeah, Tarantino isn't for anyone, especially the excessive amount of graphic violence and endless amounts of swearing in the dialogue. But I like it as it adds to the Shock Value, but I differentiate Real Life Violence from Movie Violence, as Tarantino has stated in many interviews.
But I am impressed in with both restorations.
@@cooperbourke7717 i appreciate Quentin Tarantino as he's a film lover and he's one of the big names behind the re-launch of Kodak Super 8 which is COMING SOON! So he's okay in my book. It was actually Pulp Fiction that adversely affected me and although I liked the self-deprecating opening with John Travolta dancing I didn't like some of the really nasty bits in it and one scene nearly caused me to leave the cinema which is something I've never done. I stayed but afterwards wished I had left. Maybe if I ever see it again it won't have anywhere near the same effect.
Good information about The Lord of the Rings there. It seems like the poor image quality when the original film was released to cinemas has been addressed. That must have taken some work. I looked at a box set of them today so there's a chance I'll finally see all three of them soon.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I think I know which scene in 'Pulp Fiction' you're referring to. I believe his first film 'Reservoir Dogs' caused many people to walk out during one particular scene as well.
You could tell he was a Filmmaker who knew how to shock an audience right off the bat.
When I went and saw 'The Hateful Eight' at the Cinema, two people walked out within the first 15 minutes. Granted it was a slow paced film, but they didn't even give the film a chance and probably spent a fortune on Tickets and all the Snacks they got.
This is one of my biggest issues with younger moviegoers. They don't even appreciate the Movie they pay to say, even if it is a little slow at the beginning.
I had no idea about him relaunching the Super 8. That's something to look forward to.
If I didn't already, I definitely recommend 'The Lord Of The Rings', especially the 4K versions. You'll finally be able to see one of modern cinema's greatest achievements.
@@cooperbourke7717 I seem to get regular suggestions to watch the Lord of the Rings films and it seems that the poor quality imagery from when the first film was at cinemas has been addressed now so I hopefully won't find it all so dull overall. Sometime soon I'll get to them.
Kodak showed off a prototype new Super 8 camera with video technology on board so that sound can be synchronized later and the final products are due any time now. They're not going to be cheap but the aim is to get youngsters into filming with film so that they will develop into tomorrow's film makers and actually know what they're doing because a lot of skills have been lost following the switch to video cameras. Steven Spielberg and J.J. Abrams are two other big names supporting the venture.
I quite enjoyed The Hateful Eight but there were one or two bits that I could have done without. Whatever, it resulted in 70mm release prints to cinemas and any film that does that will always get my admiration.
John.
Problem with films shot on 35mm it’s in 2k and you get grain but films shot on 65mm and imax 70mm there a lot better films shot digitally in 4K are downgrade because of CGI so why shot it in 4K
Greetings Neil. I think it's only the current trend to downscale 35mm shoots to 2K but the information on each frame is about 50mb so 35mm does equate to somewhat more than 4K which is possibly why Jaws look s so good after its 5.6K transfer. But video has come a long way and although it's not going to rival large format film any time soon, Le Mans '66 proves that video can look as good as 35mm film.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 a movie shot on 8k probably would rival 70mm
@@GringoXalapeno I think 8K would get away with it simply because we just can't take in everything that's contained in a 70mm frame. We did fear that Tenet had been downscaled to 8K from genuine IMAX film and that was a horrifying thought because genuine IMAX equates to around 45K. Fortunately it turned out not to be the case. Phew!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 i doubt that imax is anymore than 32k because every increase in resolution is quadrupled and the max that 70mm is is perhaps 12k and imax is triple the size of standard 70mm film
Dune is another like Le Mans 66, they shot digitally and then printed to film and then scanned it back digitally.
Aquaman is an awesome disc, a real HDR showcase, my only issue with it is whenever Amber Heard appears....🤢
I really don't grasp the point of printing to 35mm film from an all digital master
@@pewburrito Villeneuve felt it looked to clean and crisp, that it just didn't look right.
@@Boyer316 does it really alter the 'look' of digital though? I guess I'd have to see before/after first hand
Le Mans looks fantastic!
Dune 2021... was kinda a mess. On a tv in hdr its totally fine. But especially on a projector, between the squished framing 'like 2049,' and some general...blurriness from all the cgi, its not great. I'd be curious to see an open matte version. Since the open matte 2049 is sooooo much better. You lose hdr, but it gains some of that neon vibrancy the original movie had.
Aquaman can look fantastic too. But the heavy cgi scenes, it can get really soft.
Dune was an attempt to make a video look like film but I thought I was looking at video noise. I suppose once the money was spent on that rigmarole no one was going to want admit it had been a waste. If it hadn't have been so dark it might have worked. But somehow they managed to introduce that filmic look for Le Mans '66 and I'd really like to know how they did it.
I haven't seen Aquaman and not likely to as I even struggle a bit with Spider-Man and Batman now. The occasional superhero movie was a novelty but it's all the time these days and really a younger persons thing.
Blade Runner 2049 is actually fairly low quality compared to how films can be made but parts of it do look very good. I think the opening lets it down as it's so grey and sets a bad impression for the rest of it. But I did stumble across some vibrant sequences a few nights ago and I decided to base its number 4 position on that. Skip the opening and it looks so much better.
John.
Although I do agree with the majority of the choices, the most impressive prints (for me) are the remastered classics namely “Ten Commandments”, “Ben Hur” and “gone with the wind”. To each his own I guess.
They're in the Top Ten video Mobey. I realized afterwards that not a single movie shot on video had made it into the top ten which upset a few people so I knocked this one up. Only Le Mans '66 rivals film so far as far as I'm concerned but I haven't seen them all by any means. Number one is still Murder on the Orient Express which is a 65mm production. The Ten Commandments is VistaVision so that's why it's so good along with the Technicolor dye transfer process to enhance the colours.
John.
God damnit, another 10 movies for my collection. Aaah who cares :D
You're going to be as skint at I am!!!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 If i can enjoy the Thing i Love then Theres No Problem in not having all the Money in the world! Thank you John for These new titles i can enjoy soon. Best wishes
@@TehHagen If you do purchase any of them I certainly hope you enjoy them Trollstuhl. John.
This is a bit bizarre terminology. It's not video, it's DIGITAL :) Otherwise, an interesting list. Although, the main criteria - how close it gets to an obsolete format (film) - is rather dubious. I don't think I care to see artificial grain noise that is added, for example, to Dune (which I am surprised in not on the list).
Dune isn't a very good looking video. Sorry, I can't say it's not a very good looking digital but that wouldn't make any sense. I shoot video myself and so do most film makers today but they like to make it sound like it's not video and add the alternative word for 'binary'. Daft really. Shooting video today is always going to be one of the various computer formats but it's still video. So there! To see the best looking 4K discs take a look at the previous 'digital' I did for the top ten 4Ks of the lot. There weren't any digitals included so that's why I made this 'digital 'as there are some good looking movies shot on video, just nothing to rival large format film yet.
John.
Complete load of tosh.🤣😂🤣🤣
From now on I'm going to use that like a technical term. I wonder if it will catch on.
John.
Here is my small 4k collection with my comments for anyone interested:
'Last Christmas' - This movie has good HDR which is demonstrated by the Christmas lights that are almost ever present in the film. The resolution is true 4k, and the two stars of the film look great. The cinematography is excellent, and if you love wet streets and colorful lights in the city at night you need to pick this up. London looks amazing in this film.
'Basic Instinct' - This is a must have for any 4k movie collector. The true 4k resolution is pure magic here, and the color has been fixed by the director as it was pretty bad in the blu-ray version. If I had to just have one movie on 4k, then this would be my choice. Pure cinema. San Francisco, the beach, the interrogation scene, it looks like a different movie in 4k HDR.
'Vertigo' - This is one of my all time favorite films, and this is the best it's ever looked. However, buyer beware, Vertigo has been heavily restored and doesn't look at good in 4K UHD as films that didn't need heavy restoration. You lose something in picture quality when you have a heavy film restoration. Still Vertigo looks great, and it's leaps and bounds better looking that 'Rear Window' in 4k, which I am not going to review.
'Total Recall' - This is a movie that needed HDR desperately, and wow did the HDR bring this movie to life. The HDR brings a level or vivid radiant color, especially red and orange, that I had never seen before. The signs and city also glow and pop, just wonderful. And Total Recall is also true 4K, but be aware that there is a fair amount of film grain in certain scenes. Wonderful film.
'Blade Runner' - True 4K, amazing HDR, but you need an OLED tv to really enjoy this true masterpiece. I have a 65' 4k LG CX OLED tv, and BR looks like a totally different movie now. It's magical in nearly every single scene. What a treat. The regular blu-ray looks like trash compared to this version.
'The Hunger Games' - Catching Fire' - You can pick this movie up in 4k HDR for $9.99, and at that price it's more than worth it. CF is the only hunger games movie that is true 4k, and has great HDR scenes. If you want to see Jennifer Lawrence at her best in 4k, then this film is your cheap option. The picture quality is excellent.
'Passengers' - This is another true 4k film, and I only buy true 4k movies now. This movie was shot mostly with an Arri Alexa 65 digital camera, but some people don't like the total absence of film grain. I don't care if a movie has film grain or not, so long as the picture is true 4k, and the HDR is at least decent. My only minor complaint is that Jennifer must have had a achene breakout during filming, and they corrected it digitally in a subtle way. It looked like they did the Hollywood version of "auto-fill - content aware" or "cloning" to fix her little breakout. Great looking movie overall.
Well I'm out of time or I'd list the rest. Maybe later.
That's a great post Jay. I hadn't even heard of Last Christmas so as it's set in London I'll be looking that up. Basic Instinct is good but it is 35mm so not as good as films shot on large format films. I found the colour a bit brown but it could be that was how the original release prints were graded. Vertigo was shot VistaVision so you're possibly being fooled by the look of it as VistaVision was a horizontal 35mm format that had a frame 8 sprockets wide - in other words, enormous! The clarity and lack of obvious film grain may be making you think something has been done to it in a computer but it probably hasn't been. Total Recall and Blade Runner are 35mm productions but look pretty darned fabulous and to get the most filmic representation of them in the home does really mean forgetting a telly and getting a video projector. You will need to mask off the black bars with a video projector though otherwise it does spoil that film illusion. As for only purchasing a true 4K you'd better look at my Top Ten Movies Shot On Video upload as I try to point out that it doesn't actually matter if a film is 2K most of the time. The original filming format is the most important factor as the original clarity of a 4K or 6K shoot does shrink down and is retained in the final product. That's how they can get away with a 2K video being screened on a genuine IMAX even if it doesn't really look anywhere near as good as genuine IMAX because most people wouldn't be able to spot any difference.
You'd better post the rest of your top 4K movies now Jay!
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I actually made a mistake about Last Christmas. I thought I had it on physical media, but I actually bought the digital version in Amazon Prime video. I think it might only be available in UHD digitally, but it still looks great. In Last Christmas you will see Covent Garden, Oxford Street, Cecil Court, Soho, Alexandra Palace, and many other great locations. The director took great care in showing off London.
There is something about Vertigo that looks strange to me, and I thought it was due to the restoration. Good to know it wasn't messed with digitally.
Because I am far from an expert I try to avoid movies that have a 2k DI because I can't image up-scaling being a good looking image when it's stretched onto a 4k screen. However that's me making an assumption, but I don't know that as a fact. I'll check out your other video.
I'll post my other favorite 4k blu-rays soon!
@@moviecollector5920 In regards to the color in the 4k version of Basic Instinct, I would say there is less red and blue, and more yellow if that makes sense. So what looked more blue on the blu-ray copy will look more teal or aqua blue on the 4k copy, and red will be lessened or muted (see the red goggles detective Currant wore to view the murder scene, and any scene with blood). The reason I liked this change in color is because to me it made the skin color of the actors look more realistic, but that came at the sacrifice of some blue and red, and yellow became stronger imo.
@@periphetes Last Christmas sounds really good Jay but I don't ever give money to Amazon for anything and won't until they start supporting our shopping centres and high streets with physical shops. Until then, they're killing our infrastructure so they don't get my support. Rant over in that regard. You will be hard pressed to ever tell a difference between a 2K movie and a 4K and if you think about it, if it were easy then most cinemas would be out of business by now as around half are projecting with 2K machinery and most of the videos released to cinemas are 2K anyway. I can tell the difference with a lot of the video I shoot myself but probably not this Movie Collector material for RUclips as it tends to be indoors and less well defined than if I'm shooting something motor car related or scenic outdoors. Basic Instinct may look different on your telly as all our systems are different and as I don't watch films on our telly I haven't really spent too much time setting that up compared to the video projector which I've tried to make look as much like film prints as possible. All other films have natural looking skin colour but that one doesn't really. It's not too bad though as the transfer of the 35mm original negative is so good that the colour is secondary to the definition as far as I'm concerned. Look up VistaVision to learn more about Vertigo and Rear Window. They should be among the best 4K discs so far because of the VistaVision 'Motion Picture High Fidelity'. Spartacus was shot in a variation of VistaVision called Technirama and that is why that one also looks fabulous. Nothing shot on video has matched this sort of film quality so far but this is the age of mediocrity in general so if the studios can get away with cheaper, lower quality then we can't blame them for doing so.
Drive is out in 4K from Second Sight Films on Monday and it looks terrific. I thought I was watching a film but it's actually a 2K video. It's a perfect example of how the Digital Intermediate Master doesn't matter as long as the movie was high quality to start with, much like VistaVision which was predominantly used to produce superior quality standard 35mm prints.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 As far as the difference between 4k and 2k I'll tell you my experience. I spent some time comparing 4k and 2K side by side on two 65 inch screens, one was UHD, and the other HD. What I found was that there is a noticeable resolution difference, but only when I stood within 6 feet of the tvs. At 6.5 feet or further away I couldn't tell any difference in resolution. So in my opinion if you buy a 4k tv that is 65 inches, and you sit greater than 6 feet away, then you are not really experiencing 4k resolution. In short, buy the biggest tv you can afford, or get your own home cinema if you have that kind of money.
My local cinema, which I try to support, is a joke for quality. They are using a light source that is far too dim for the projection, and so we have to suffer a dim picture. My tv is about 750 nits, and my local cinema just can't compete because they are cutting corners. I went to watch Doctor Strange 2 a couple of weeks ago and I almost asked for a refund. I know they have powered down the light source to save money. It's sad.
Yes Drive is coming to America August 9th and I might pick that up. The choices in August for me are between Red Dawn, Drive, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. I have not decided on which one to buy.
Hey John brilliant video as always my friend, really good list of films that look great on 4K. I've heard fro. euphoria pictures Keith that Deepwater is a great picture it's one I definitely want to give a watch.
I'm Only streaming films in 4K at the moment so I do get the full benefit til I eventually get a player but I do agree with The Shallows it's such a great picture and it really blew me away. Also Kong Skull island was very impressive too.
I did check on Le Man's on Disney plus but unfortunately it isn't in 4K which is a shame.
Take care mate looking forward to your next video
While we were enjoying your last weekly pickups video a few days ago I wondered if perhaps you should give purchasing discs a miss for a few weeks and save up for a 4K player Pete. I think it would be an exciting purchase and think of all the movies you already have on 4K that you'd be able to spin. You wouldn't have to purchase anything else for quite some time. Personally, I'm struggling to find anything else to watch right now but I expect I'll visit HMV tomorrow and that will surely tempt me with something.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hey John thanks for the reply, I have actually been thinking that for a little while. So Blu-ray purchases will be a bit low for a few weeks, I'm trying to save up for a PS5 as that has a 4K Blu-ray player included, just trying to find stock which is the problem. Hope you find something in HMV thanks again John, take care
@@PlaytendoGuy See what others think of the video capabilities of a Playstation as I don't think they were very highly regarded for video a few years ago. The plus side of that is that a dedicated 4K player would be a darned sight cheaper.
I didn't really find anything much in HMV but while I was talking to Kitty, the manageress or the Newbury branch, she was unpacking the latest Blu-ray stock and one that came out was a steelbook of Hacksaw Ridge that I wanted to buy but unfortunately she's not allowed to sell it until Monday. I also went to CEX so it was a full 'Mondo Mooch' today.
John.