It is pretty normal that in one year a famous shoes have a low weight and the next year it gains weight and gets less versatile, but gain more comfort. And vice-versa. I'm sure that next year the Triumph 23 will lose some weight and so the Pegasus 42, Gel-Nimbus 27 etc. While a few will lose weight. Just normal for every brand, including shoes like a Mizuno wave Rider that gains or loses some weight every year. Almost the same shoes but with tweaks to make it either faster or more confortante and so gains a bit of weight.
@@elijahdouglas1560 I had a similar feeling of what has happened from the Triumph 21 to the 22th version with my falei l favorite Gel-Nimbus of an tube, the version 24 (lightweight and it was almost as nimble as a Pegasus 36 but with the comfort of a Ultraboost). The Gel-Nimbus 25 was awesome, anyways, but it went intui a way too diferent direction ... anyways, the Nova Blast 4 it Gel-Cumulus 26 are almost as good and versatile as the old Gel-Nimbus 24. Not too bad trade I guess.
@@kofuziya some people have found it to be a total brick lol. I guess it may be a surprise given the 20 and 21 were kinda versatile and the 22 is a pure easy run shoe, but isn’t quite as cushy as some of the other pure easy run shoes.
I love how you explain shoe lineups, like you did for the Puma deviate Elite. With so many options it can be hard to keep track for if you are trying to do a shoe brand for a marathon training block. You explain it so ik what a typical lineup of shoes would look like in a marathon training block. Very helpful!
Triumph 20, best shoe I’ve ever had so far (running since 2007). 1000km on them (long, tempo, threshold runs), still very comfortable, bouncy and looking like new
I’m pretty sure new version changed for the worse in terms of durability of foam resilience …. Beaded tpu foam in prior version is longer lasting than peba blend in this new version.
I didnt really like my T20s that much, they felt heavy n clunky, not that bouncy either, although I appreciated it could pick up the pace on them, they always felt abit cumbersome, for me they always felt abit firm n stiff. It had so many good reviews so maybe I was expecting them to be abit more fun, also, the 10mm drop was a bit too much, now that I’ve put on nearly 500miles on them, they finally feel broken in n like them a little bit more. One time I took out the insole n they felt much lighter but the midsole felt even firmer, but one thing for sure, they r built like tanks
Great video! I really like my Triumph 22s. I agree with your comparison to the Nimbus 25 IF you leave the 7mm ortholite sock liner in this shoe. I think a lot of people want the Triumph 22 to remain a “cushioned daily trainer” versus a max cushion shoe. The antidote for them is to buy the Ride 17, which features a full PWRRUN+ midsole like the prior Triumph shoes. The antidote for ME was to replace the ortholite sock liner with a PWRRUN+ sock liner. The shoe has been “giggles” fun since then.
As a lightweight heel striker, I was in store to find some cushioned shoes and I tried exactly these 3 pairs (More v4, triumph 22 and nimbus 25) alongside the brooks glycerin. I ended up going for the nimbus as the Brooks and Saucony felt unresponsive/firm to me and when trying I immediately liked the ride and toe-rocker of the nimbus 25 more. The shoe was more lively than those 2 previous shoes to me while being slightly more stable than the New balance. Great video thank you for the review !
Awesome video, was hoping you'd compare it to the Nimbus 25 during the video. Glad to know how they stack up to each other now! I might actually go for the Triumph 22 once I retire my Nimbus 25 down the line as I probably won't find any more Nimbus 25's since I'm skipping the 26's for the same reasons you mentioned about them.
This shoe surprised me, as I don't usually go for so much cushion, yes so different to 20 and 21, the Ride more like the triumph now. Certainly plush and cush. But I found I was still bobbing along nicely 👌
I eagerly awaited the release of this shoe and the weight and especially the non breatheable upper disappointed. The powerrun PB feels nothing like my Endorphin Speed 3’s. Bought the lighter, more breatheable and versatile Triumph 21 on a discount and it’s the best shoe I own. Love it.
Triumph is my top 3 shoe next to hoka mach 4, and pretty much any new balance tc,rc,rebel,beacon,impulse, propel also saucony speed 2 top 5... brook ghosts is the better for all around walking where triumph to me gets a little bit more comfortable on slow jog speeds , but its comfy to walk in but ghost still feel better all around for a beginner i recommended all those though ❤you kofuzi!
A good reason not to update my Triumph 21 with 1300+ km. Outsole holding Up great and midsole feels fresh as new. Upper still fully functional...I will try to get 2000km in 21 instead of going after 22
Why? Why? Mess with another line that was a monster of a shoe (Triumph 20, 21) for long runs, my last pair went to 400 miles plus and was solid. Very disappointed, but I am so glad we have professionals review these new models, updates, so we know what to buy and for what purpose. I am really enjoying how you’re incorporating the whole line review for us runners!
Interesting comparison with the More v4, especially as I’m awaiting delivery of the Triumph 22. The More V4 was great for up to 150-200 miles, but the fresh foam definitely loses the freshness much quicker than other foams, and the outsole was appalling and completely worn by 230miles. Really hope the powerrn pb lasts longer as I loved it in the endorphin pro 3 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
It really seems like most shoe companies don't pay attention to summer running in recovery shoes. Just because it's max cush it doesn't have to be so warm.
I enjoyed the way these felt under foot but after 50km I decided to sell them because of the upper. I should’ve gone half a size down from my usual as I just couldn’t get a good lockdown. Plus, it was simply too warm to use in summer.
Park closed? Not for Mr. Fuzi! 😛Interesting idea to give your entire lineup race-calibre foam. Will have to see how the market responds. I still have a pair of Triumph 18's that I never wear because they're too slow and heavy for me. (My idea of a recovery shoe is NB4. 🤷) I only bought them because they were a gorgeous shade of teal. I know. I'm dumb like that. I do like how the entire Saucony line shares a design language now. I might be tempted by a runshield version of this shoe.
Outstanding review Mike thank you. I’ve been a Triumph fan since V17 and the 20 has been my favourite. I’m on my 2nd pair and with just 200 miles on them I’m not convinced that the £160 price tag for the 22 to upgrade is worth risking. I think that maybe saucony are experimenting with the design and make up of this shoe and hopefully some of the faults that are well documented about it will be ironed out in V23. Just hope my 20’s last til then! Thank you. Ian 🇬🇧
Saucony hasn't sent the Ride for me to test, but I'm personally thinking that it makes more sense for the Ride to be like what they were trending with the previous Triumphs while creating more of a distinct max cushion experience with the new Triumphs. That would give all types of Triumph fans something to enjoy in the lineup.
I’m 200lbs to me shoes like the nb 1080v13 or the Nimbus 26 are too squishy they deconstruct to much under every stride so I enjoy that shoes way more feels more responsive
@@jimperry4420 well I have way too many shoes but right now still loving my Triumph 22 of course + adidas boston 12 and endorphin speed 4 as training speed tempo shoes and I love my Brooks Hyperion Max 2
I loved the RFGs (and the 21's...they're the same, right?) for daily training. Not sure how I feel about this being a max cushion shoe now, but there are other shoes in my rotation that can replace those when I retire them as trainers. Curious about the Nimbus comparison bc I also love the Nimbus 25s for recovery and "pampering" of my feet after a hard session haha. Prob my fav of the nimbus as I've worn quite a few versions of it. Thanks for the review Ko!
On my 2nd pair of the Triumph 21. I like it as a trainer. But based on your suggestion, I will give the NB More v4 a try and it may be a good transition shoes while the Triumph 22 comes down on price or NB may win me over. Have you review the Nike Alphafly... ? Thanks for what you do.
No love for the Saucony Tempus in the line up? I use it for my daily trainer and it’s great imo. Lighter and more responsive than the Ride but more relaxed for slower/longer runs than the Speed 4 (which I use for faster runs).
There are certainly a lot of runners who enjoy the Tempus. When I do a brand explainer, I usually don’t include the stability shoes. But they tend to either/or options. Instead of the Ride, you’d be looking at the Tempus. Instead of the Kinvara Pro, you might consider the Endorphin Shift.
I think the slower response, while having something to do with lack of plate, is mostly due to the super thick ortholite insole. If you put endorphin pro insole in it, the shoe will feel much faster.
I love and still have the Triumph 20. Seems like this is a departure. Have you tried the Hurricane 24 Mike? Many shoetubers seem to be gravitating that way for versatility over this model.
Great review 👍 is the Hurricane model good ? If you had to choose one shoe take on vacation to walk around alot what would you pick ? Like a everyday shoe
Hey, I recently switched from the Nike Invincible Run 2 to the Asics Novablast 4, and I've been experiencing pain on the outside of my feet. Is this normal, or should I give the shoes some time to break in? Thank you for your advice.
I would recommend you ask Doctors of Running. They have a deep familiarity with the stability shoe landscape. I avoid running in stability shoes when possible
They’re pretty different. If you want a max cushion relaxed experience, go with the Triumph. If you want a lightweight daily trainer, go with the Rebel. imo, each is near the top of its respective class. They’re just in different classes.
I don't think you can propose More V4 as an alternative to Triumph 22. More V4 has a much lower drop that to me even feels negative due to the channel under heel. Even though Triumph 22 has 10 mm drop and the foam might be a bit more squishy, I still don't think they are comparable to each other. If someone comes from Triumph 20/21 and switches to More V4, they will have a bad day. People said that Nimbus 25 was an oven in terms of upper and you say that it's still better than Triumph, big Saucony yikes! I feel that it might be even better to compare Triumph 22 to Ride 17 that has taken over old Triumph design, foam and made it a bit more stable. They are comparable in terms of weight and Ride has only 2 mm less stack on paper even though it's PwrRun+ vs PwrRunPB. It's a shame you didn't have that model on hand. Thanks for the review!
This is a testament to the recommendation I frequently give people: Find a reviewer who likes the same things you like. Other reviewers may experience things differently to you, and it's not wrong. It's just that different people have different feet and different preferences. I completely disagree with just about everything you say. I'm not saying you or I are wrong. I just suspect that the shoes you love are not the shoes I love. And the shoes I think are soft are likely not the shoes that you think are soft.
it only further exemplifies what I said in the video, that "it's a great time to be a runner" there's something for every person and every preference right now.
@@kofuzi Fully agree. There are so many shoes right now that you should be able to find a specific model that works for your biomechanics. I believe that you're more (late?) midfoot to forefoot runner so More V4 might suit you better than me since you would most likely just skip the heel and go directly into rockered front of the shoe. In Triumph with its high drop I feel that it mostly caters to heel strikers who enjoy higher drop with more foam to compress in the heel and More V4 in that case is the complete opposite. In Triumph you have to press the foam more for the bounce while in More you will fall through the space in the heel if you try the same running technique. I'm also jaded towards More V4 as I had high hopes for it after many reviews but they just didn't work for me: ridge/space under heel combined with low drop and soft foam, too wide/loose for TTS or too short if sized down, short tongue that didn't hold me properly and failed to protect from stiff collar that would rub against the front of my leg. One of the only shoes I had to runner knot to make it work. Nimbus 25 makes more sense to me from your suggestions so I just wanted to relate what might motivate someone towards picking one over the other. I can't wait to hear your feedback about Ride 17. The changes sound great but I'm just a bit wary about the eyelets formed out of a lace which one of the reviewers tore on their first try/lace-up. I hope Saucony will do their typical stuff and release a newer model with sturdier eyelets and reduced weight in Ride 18. Cheers!
Glad to see a review that didn't absolutely trash this shoe. I've really enjoyed my experience with it. Especially as a heavy runner.
It is pretty normal that in one year a famous shoes have a low weight and the next year it gains weight and gets less versatile, but gain more comfort. And vice-versa.
I'm sure that next year the Triumph 23 will lose some weight and so the Pegasus 42, Gel-Nimbus 27 etc. While a few will lose weight. Just normal for every brand, including shoes like a Mizuno wave Rider that gains or loses some weight every year. Almost the same shoes but with tweaks to make it either faster or more confortante and so gains a bit of weight.
people are trashing this? that's a surprise
@@kofuzi "trashing" might have been a harsh word, but most of the reviews I've seen have been "not great / do not buy"
@@elijahdouglas1560 I had a similar feeling of what has happened from the Triumph 21 to the 22th version with my falei l favorite Gel-Nimbus of an tube, the version 24 (lightweight and it was almost as nimble as a Pegasus 36 but with the comfort of a Ultraboost). The Gel-Nimbus 25 was awesome, anyways, but it went intui a way too diferent direction ... anyways, the Nova Blast 4 it Gel-Cumulus 26 are almost as good and versatile as the old Gel-Nimbus 24. Not too bad trade I guess.
@@kofuziya some people have found it to be a total brick lol. I guess it may be a surprise given the 20 and 21 were kinda versatile and the 22 is a pure easy run shoe, but isn’t quite as cushy as some of the other pure easy run shoes.
I love how you explain shoe lineups, like you did for the Puma deviate Elite. With so many options it can be hard to keep track for if you are trying to do a shoe brand for a marathon training block. You explain it so ik what a typical lineup of shoes would look like in a marathon training block. Very helpful!
glad it's helpful information. thanks for letting me know!
I agree, I mostly watch these videos for the last part, it's nice to have an overview of all the lineup and also the alternatives
Facts !!
Triumph 20, best shoe I’ve ever had so far (running since 2007). 1000km on them (long, tempo, threshold runs), still very comfortable, bouncy and looking like new
that's a lot of k's!
I’m pretty sure new version changed for the worse in terms of durability of foam resilience …. Beaded tpu foam in prior version is longer lasting than peba blend in this new version.
Same here!
Also easy runs (Z2), of course - the purpose of Saucony with this shoe
I didnt really like my T20s that much, they felt heavy n clunky, not that bouncy either, although I appreciated it could pick up the pace on them, they always felt abit cumbersome, for me they always felt abit firm n stiff. It had so many good reviews so maybe I was expecting them to be abit more fun, also, the 10mm drop was a bit too much, now that I’ve put on nearly 500miles on them, they finally feel broken in n like them a little bit more. One time I took out the insole n they felt much lighter but the midsole felt even firmer, but one thing for sure, they r built like tanks
Love my T20s
Also, from a review structure standpoint, I found the "where in the lineup" segment to be INCREDIBLY helpful.
@@max1000000ify totally agree
Great video! I really like my Triumph 22s. I agree with your comparison to the Nimbus 25 IF you leave the 7mm ortholite sock liner in this shoe. I think a lot of people want the Triumph 22 to remain a “cushioned daily trainer” versus a max cushion shoe. The antidote for them is to buy the Ride 17, which features a full PWRRUN+ midsole like the prior Triumph shoes. The antidote for ME was to replace the ortholite sock liner with a PWRRUN+ sock liner. The shoe has been “giggles” fun since then.
As a lightweight heel striker, I was in store to find some cushioned shoes and I tried exactly these 3 pairs (More v4, triumph 22 and nimbus 25) alongside the brooks glycerin. I ended up going for the nimbus as the Brooks and Saucony felt unresponsive/firm to me and when trying I immediately liked the ride and toe-rocker of the nimbus 25 more. The shoe was more lively than those 2 previous shoes to me while being slightly more stable than the New balance. Great video thank you for the review !
thanks for the feedback. glad you found something that works!
in that order so :
1.Nimbus 25
2.More v4
3&4. glycerin & triumph 22
When you so early that the video is max 360p haha
notification squad 🙌
These are always full of so much info I love it.
thanks Wil!
Awesome video, was hoping you'd compare it to the Nimbus 25 during the video. Glad to know how they stack up to each other now! I might actually go for the Triumph 22 once I retire my Nimbus 25 down the line as I probably won't find any more Nimbus 25's since I'm skipping the 26's for the same reasons you mentioned about them.
Lots of reviewers panned the Triumph 22 but I like the shoes. I find the more that I have run in them, the better they feel.
This shoe surprised me, as I don't usually go for so much cushion, yes so different to 20 and 21, the Ride more like the triumph now. Certainly plush and cush. But I found I was still bobbing along nicely 👌
Hi. !!! Saucony for ever!!!. Like to Kofuzi. Have a great day.
I've been waiting for this review 🔥
Hi, thanks for another are used to have the triumph 18 and now I bought the triumph for 22. I personally quite like it. 😺🙏👍
thanks for the feedback!
I eagerly awaited the release of this shoe and the weight and especially the non breatheable upper disappointed. The powerrun PB feels nothing like my Endorphin Speed 3’s. Bought the lighter, more breatheable and versatile Triumph 21 on a discount and it’s the best shoe I own. Love it.
Thank you Mike.
Great video.
ASICS has pretty much taken over for me over saucony.
Triumph is my top 3 shoe next to hoka mach 4, and pretty much any new balance tc,rc,rebel,beacon,impulse, propel also saucony speed 2 top 5... brook ghosts is the better for all around walking where triumph to me gets a little bit more comfortable on slow jog speeds , but its comfy to walk in but ghost still feel better all around for a beginner i recommended all those though ❤you kofuzi!
A good reason not to update my Triumph 21 with 1300+ km. Outsole holding Up great and midsole feels fresh as new. Upper still fully functional...I will try to get 2000km in 21 instead of going after 22
holy fk!
Done over 1500km in my triumph 20 and still going strong. Really built like a tank
@@laoluomisade2438 midsole feel fresh?
@@io-rj6sk yes still feels fresh
@@laoluomisade2438 dam tahts sum crazy value!
Why? Why? Mess with another line that was a monster of a shoe (Triumph 20, 21) for long runs, my last pair went to 400 miles plus and was solid. Very disappointed, but I am so glad we have professionals review these new models, updates, so we know what to buy and for what purpose. I am really enjoying how you’re incorporating the whole line review for us runners!
Thanks for the feedback!
Interesting comparison with the More v4, especially as I’m awaiting delivery of the Triumph 22. The More V4 was great for up to 150-200 miles, but the fresh foam definitely loses the freshness much quicker than other foams, and the outsole was appalling and completely worn by 230miles. Really hope the powerrn pb lasts longer as I loved it in the endorphin pro 3 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Tried these at the London Marathon Expo, absolutely hated it 😂 felt like a massive heavy brick to me.
It really seems like most shoe companies don't pay attention to summer running in recovery shoes. Just because it's max cush it doesn't have to be so warm.
I am going to run in my Asic Gel nimbus25 on my Sunday long run, glad you like the shoe
Hope you have a great run!
Nimbuses? Nimbi surely 😳Hi from Pedants Corner! Another great review and very timely as I am looking for a max cushion atm.
wait, really?
Just purchased the GTX version of the Triumph 22 yesterday. I shall see how it goes for this fall
I enjoyed the way these felt under foot but after 50km I decided to sell them because of the upper. I should’ve gone half a size down from my usual as I just couldn’t get a good lockdown. Plus, it was simply too warm to use in summer.
Thanks Ko
Park closed? Not for Mr. Fuzi! 😛Interesting idea to give your entire lineup race-calibre foam. Will have to see how the market responds. I still have a pair of Triumph 18's that I never wear because they're too slow and heavy for me. (My idea of a recovery shoe is NB4. 🤷) I only bought them because they were a gorgeous shade of teal. I know. I'm dumb like that. I do like how the entire Saucony line shares a design language now. I might be tempted by a runshield version of this shoe.
New Balance did it with the Fuelcell lineup, kind of
Outstanding review Mike thank you. I’ve been a Triumph fan since V17 and the 20 has been my favourite. I’m on my 2nd pair and with just 200 miles on them I’m not convinced that the £160 price tag for the 22 to upgrade is worth risking. I think that maybe saucony are experimenting with the design and make up of this shoe and hopefully some of the faults that are well documented about it will be ironed out in V23. Just hope my 20’s last til then! Thank you. Ian 🇬🇧
Saucony hasn't sent the Ride for me to test, but I'm personally thinking that it makes more sense for the Ride to be like what they were trending with the previous Triumphs while creating more of a distinct max cushion experience with the new Triumphs.
That would give all types of Triumph fans something to enjoy in the lineup.
@@kofuzi thank you Mike for taking the time to reply
I’m 200lbs to me shoes like the nb 1080v13 or the Nimbus 26 are too squishy they deconstruct to much under every stride so I enjoy that shoes way more feels more responsive
Yeah not everyone weighs 150 lbs. What shoes have you found that work for you?
@@jimperry4420 well I have way too many shoes but right now still loving my Triumph 22 of course + adidas boston 12 and endorphin speed 4 as training speed tempo shoes and I love my Brooks Hyperion Max 2
Excelente review,seria bueno tener la opción del audio en español, saludos desde Uruguay, nuevo suscriptor 🙋🏻♂️💪🏻
thank you for the suggestion
I think T21 is the best of all Triumph
Outsole design reminds me of Puma Velocity 3 but Triumph 22 came out earlier this year.
Would you consider this shoe to feel responsive and springy or bouncy? Or would the Kinvara Pro feel more bouncy? Thank you.
Awesome review. How does this compare to the Novablast 4?
I loved the RFGs (and the 21's...they're the same, right?) for daily training. Not sure how I feel about this being a max cushion shoe now, but there are other shoes in my rotation that can replace those when I retire them as trainers. Curious about the Nimbus comparison bc I also love the Nimbus 25s for recovery and "pampering" of my feet after a hard session haha. Prob my fav of the nimbus as I've worn quite a few versions of it. Thanks for the review Ko!
The RFGs were a bit confusing to me because they came out in the same year at the Triumph 21, but I think they were based off the 20.
Do you plan to review Mizuno's Wave Sky 8? Heard good things about those
On my 2nd pair of the Triumph 21. I like it as a trainer. But based on your suggestion, I will give the NB More v4 a try and it may be a good transition shoes while the Triumph 22 comes down on price or NB may win me over. Have you review the Nike Alphafly... ? Thanks for what you do.
A review of the Ride would be cool. The midsole in latest one looks a lot different than in the Ride 14 I got back in 2021.
Hopefully Saucony will send a pair for me to review
how’s the arch and medial support? i have flat feet and noticed that most saucony shoes have a very pronounced arch that hurts my feet.
No love for the Saucony Tempus in the line up? I use it for my daily trainer and it’s great imo. Lighter and more responsive than the Ride but more relaxed for slower/longer runs than the Speed 4 (which I use for faster runs).
There are certainly a lot of runners who enjoy the Tempus. When I do a brand explainer, I usually don’t include the stability shoes. But they tend to either/or options.
Instead of the Ride, you’d be looking at the Tempus. Instead of the Kinvara Pro, you might consider the Endorphin Shift.
I think the slower response, while having something to do with lack of plate, is mostly due to the super thick ortholite insole. If you put endorphin pro insole in it, the shoe will feel much faster.
I’d like to see how this compares to the New Balance more v5
I love and still have the Triumph 20. Seems like this is a departure. Have you tried the Hurricane 24 Mike? Many shoetubers seem to be gravitating that way for versatility over this model.
I don’t run in or test stability shoes
Great review 👍 is the Hurricane model good ? If you had to choose one shoe take on vacation to walk around alot what would you pick ? Like a everyday shoe
I can’t comment on the Hurricane. It is a stability shoe, and I do not test stability shoes.
Where da Hurricane 🌀 at yooooo??
it's a stability shoe
@kofuzi true...but also suitable for neutral runners? Wondering how it compares to the Triumph 22.
No one does shoe reviews better than you
that's very kind of you to say
Hey, I recently switched from the Nike Invincible Run 2 to the Asics Novablast 4, and I've been experiencing pain on the outside of my feet. Is this normal, or should I give the shoes some time to break in? Thank you for your advice.
Life’s too short to run in shoes you don’t like. Not every shoe works for every person. If it’s not working, try something else.
What about the Endorphin Shifts?
where would you put the tempus in the lineup? @kofuzi
In the stability section
@@kofuzi yes but in therms of daily trainer/ workout/ race shoe? Do you have a video on going from a mild stability shoe like the tempus to neutrals?
What is your recommendation for stability shoe? I overpronate and I usually wear adrenaline from brook, but want to try other brands.
I would recommend you ask Doctors of Running. They have a deep familiarity with the stability shoe landscape.
I avoid running in stability shoes when possible
Ko you doing the new balance v5s yet? Finally a gusseted tongue
Waiting for New Balance to send me a pair of
Anywhere close to the Invincible run? It seems that kind of shoe
It’s not that kind of shoe
Ubaldo Alley
So we just going to ignore the Hurricane 24 that came out in July that's way better than the Triumph 22?
I generally ignore all stability shoes
Don't think I'm heavy enough to make the most of this shoe.
I got the white, and immediately spilled diesel fuel on them 😢
These or nb rebel 4 ko??
They’re pretty different. If you want a max cushion relaxed experience, go with the Triumph. If you want a lightweight daily trainer, go with the Rebel.
imo, each is near the top of its respective class. They’re just in different classes.
BONDI 8 best shoes running ultra soft of the history.
Thanks HOKA .
I'm glad you've found something you enjoy!
I don't think you can propose More V4 as an alternative to Triumph 22. More V4 has a much lower drop that to me even feels negative due to the channel under heel. Even though Triumph 22 has 10 mm drop and the foam might be a bit more squishy, I still don't think they are comparable to each other. If someone comes from Triumph 20/21 and switches to More V4, they will have a bad day. People said that Nimbus 25 was an oven in terms of upper and you say that it's still better than Triumph, big Saucony yikes! I feel that it might be even better to compare Triumph 22 to Ride 17 that has taken over old Triumph design, foam and made it a bit more stable. They are comparable in terms of weight and Ride has only 2 mm less stack on paper even though it's PwrRun+ vs PwrRunPB. It's a shame you didn't have that model on hand. Thanks for the review!
This is a testament to the recommendation I frequently give people:
Find a reviewer who likes the same things you like.
Other reviewers may experience things differently to you, and it's not wrong. It's just that different people have different feet and different preferences. I completely disagree with just about everything you say. I'm not saying you or I are wrong. I just suspect that the shoes you love are not the shoes I love. And the shoes I think are soft are likely not the shoes that you think are soft.
it only further exemplifies what I said in the video, that "it's a great time to be a runner"
there's something for every person and every preference right now.
@@kofuzi Fully agree. There are so many shoes right now that you should be able to find a specific model that works for your biomechanics. I believe that you're more (late?) midfoot to forefoot runner so More V4 might suit you better than me since you would most likely just skip the heel and go directly into rockered front of the shoe. In Triumph with its high drop I feel that it mostly caters to heel strikers who enjoy higher drop with more foam to compress in the heel and More V4 in that case is the complete opposite. In Triumph you have to press the foam more for the bounce while in More you will fall through the space in the heel if you try the same running technique.
I'm also jaded towards More V4 as I had high hopes for it after many reviews but they just didn't work for me: ridge/space under heel combined with low drop and soft foam, too wide/loose for TTS or too short if sized down, short tongue that didn't hold me properly and failed to protect from stiff collar that would rub against the front of my leg. One of the only shoes I had to runner knot to make it work. Nimbus 25 makes more sense to me from your suggestions so I just wanted to relate what might motivate someone towards picking one over the other.
I can't wait to hear your feedback about Ride 17. The changes sound great but I'm just a bit wary about the eyelets formed out of a lace which one of the reviewers tore on their first try/lace-up. I hope Saucony will do their typical stuff and release a newer model with sturdier eyelets and reduced weight in Ride 18. Cheers!
Low drop kills my calves.
Yo, what’s going on!!!
Yo Luis!