I have not use the loctite adhesive but I've had great results with 3 M super 77 adhesive and with contact cement. Surface prep is important so I wipe things with alcohol and then use my torch to give the surface a light flaming.
Great video. I did a similar hack for my dog when she is in the kayak behind me. I used a ground mat that is about 1/2" thick, used for camping, sleeping on ground. Bought at Gander Mtn. online in a roll. Mine was for 2 reasons, an insulator from cold bottom for her when wet, and to dampen sound of her movement. I did not glue mine in, as it lays well as a rug would. Removable for cleaning and transport. The mat is camo also. Thanks for showing your success and fail, not everyone will do that.
Just wanted to let you know that since I’ve started kayak fishing, every mod I have done or mod idea I have had, you have already done a video. You’ve saved me money for sure and given me great ideas! Keep grinding sir, you the man!
That was a great hack. Due to my superior brain I knew at the beginning those mats were heavy and it didn't take you long to verify. The install looks great and now you are more stealth.
I've been wanting to do this for a while. 1. For cushioning when I'm standing. I think it'll increase my stability. 2. Sound dampener, as you informed. 3. Parts of the deck on my kayak (1st Version Ascend FS128T) are actually lower than the scupper holes, so not all the water drains. This can help even out the deck.
Thank you for letting me use those pictures and for finding the Yoga Mat! Contact cement is working great and I did not end up using that much. Less than 1 bottle!
I've been yoga matting my Ascend, 5mm mats, the adhesive would not dry! 3 mm works just fine! If you want to make templates, I would recommend Walmart paper lawn bags 2-ply 16"L x 12"W x 35"H 5/$1.97 like 70x 32" when you open them up! took one bag to do my fs120 You are one of my Go-to Guys on youtube, Steve, thanks!
In the coast guard we have these big non-skid stickers we have to put on all of the walking surfaces, and replace them whenever they get scraped up. We put the stickers on, and then seal the edge with “aquaseal”. 3m makes an equivalent marine grade adhesive edge sealant, but i’d imagine most epoxies or maybe even “shoe goop” could work. . The way we do it, you put the sealant around the edges, on top of the sticker so it covers the edge of the sticker, and over onto the boat surface. This makes a water and airtight seal around the edge, keeping it from pulling up.
@4:53 "I know it works because I had to *REAPPLY* the contact cement to my foot pads." Wait, what? If it worked I'm thinkin that you shouldn't've had to reapply it. 🤪
My yak has a nice, flat floor, so I'll just cut a yoga mat to fit and lay it down without adhesives, and without cutting around the scupper holes. I can just pull it out to let the boat drain, shake off any loose dirt, or hose it down if need be. Keep the good ideas coming, Steve.
Nice job as usual 👍🏻 I did something similar on my Hobie PA 12 but I used 3mm neoprene camo waders that I collected from people that had upgraded do to leaking. Just thought I would pass it along.
Kayak Hacks Fishing Nice video, another solution I found useful was the thin plastic roll you use in your kitchen cutlery draws/ plate cupboards. Very flexible, light weight and easy to shape.
I'm new to kayak fishing but here is something else to try. I found a roll of sound proofing Insulation Deadener Mat 40"x24" on Amazon. It says it's waterproof and has an adhesive backing that sticks very well to my kayak so no messing around with glues and tapes. 1 roll was around $10. Hope this helps!
Luckily for me my SeaDek was already installed on my used kayak. But a couple of years ago I installed mats for a friend on his kayak. We did something similar to your project, except we used those mats women use in kitchen drawers. They have small holes in them but are surprisingly silent. They come in a pretty big roll (different lengths too) and with a pattern, you can cut them into any shape. The big bonus is they come in dozens of colors and patterns in most stores. Why don't I film these things?!
It lasted for two seasons - maybe more - I sold the kayak at the end of the second season. I did have to reapply some contact cement once on the edges where I did not glue them adequately the first time.
To quiet my "junk drawer" under my seat on my Bonafide...I used a thin piece of rubber mat and cemented it with 3M Contact Spray. It's contact cement in spray form. I sprayed both the drawer and the mat...waited for it to dry, and attached the mat. I've been in fresh and salt water several times. There has bin NO issues. One thing I did before I applied anything was to scuff it lightly with a 3M pad...then cleaned the area thoroughly with rubbing alcohol .
I like the mat idea . Wondering if bed liner spray out of a can would work ? It does bond to paint which is a plastic . Be interesting to see if it would work !
I would love it if somebody would try it and let us know. But... might really mess up a boat if it ends up being a sticky mess. We would need to try it on a milk carton first.
It was a Native Watercraft Ultimate. (nativewatercraft.com/product/ultimate-14-5-tandem/) However, I do not recommend it since, if you flip, the only way to recover is to swim it to shore.
Ouch. I sold my Native Ultimate and the trolling motor last year. I bought a Native compatible mount for the motor and just clipped it on. In the Native, there is plenty of open space, so I extended the wiring to be able to put the heavy battery at the front to balance out.
Great Idea, especially when the foam pad for my 2020 Hobie 360 cost over $500 dollars. I would however recommend your viewers to use tape and mask out a template for each section of their kayak.
I'd say it's good for the integrity of any bonding agent to lightly take off the gloss finish on your kayak. When you apply like cement Bondo it sticks better to the rough scratchy surface. :) as apposed to the slick gloss finish.
I agree that light sanding might help. You still have the issue of getting things to stick to HDPE. Jackson Kayak just told me that they use a product called Gflex. Pretty pricey.
It is actually an industrial glue that has found new life in crafting. As long as the glue can breath to cure.. Like that mat you installed. It doesn't cure well when it's plastic on plastic. I glued a dash cam mount to my van. Left it in the sun and it cured great.
It's been almost a couple of years since you posted this. My question is how did the 300 Level adhesive work? Do you think that it worked well enough so that the contact cement isn't necessary for the edges? Thanks, I love your videos!
Appreciate your kind words! I posted an update at the end of season - ruclips.net/video/5ERya-trw74/видео.html The 300 level worked fine. The contact cement peeled back a bit in places. I should have really put more 300 down right to the edges.
If I lift up a bit, it will slide. If you slide with your weight on it, the material will wrinkle and I assume eventually tear. If you slide a lot, maybe putting a lubricant down on top (vaseline?) would allow for more movement.
Tear apart a sliding screen door and screw the tracks in where you sit and then put the wheels onto your seat! Lol I am not sure if it would work, but a funny idea if someone wants inspiration.
It is the one that came with the boat. I fish a lot and, over time, the material in the seat stretched and is now lower than it was when new. The puts the horizontal crossbar uncomfortably on my tailbone. I have to use a pad now to prevent chafing. When looking for a seat, I would avoid anything that has a horizontal bar as the hinge between the seat and the back where the back of the seat runs perpendicular directly to the hinge. If there is an offset between the seat hinge and seat back, you should be OK as that would keep the metal bar away from your tailbone. That said when new, the seat was very comfortable and is OK with the pad.
Love the videos, Steve. Just wondering if anyone has tried the Non Slip Tool Box Liner available online & at homeware/ hardware stores - very light & flexible, would also glue down easily. Ok, ok ... I hear ya! I'll go ahead & try it, then I'll let y'all know the result :-)
@@KayakhacksFishing Not a problem... Once that promoter is in contact with the tape! You'll have to scrape it off. You can use it with stickers and duct tape too. Glad to help ya out😊
scotch outdoor dbl sided tape will hold in water, i havent tried the permanent series dbl sided tape. not sure contact cement will hold up long getting wet. let up know
Looks good I’ve bought some Yellow Yoga Matt from Aldis to go on my #BigTuna I just have a lot of cutouts / special cuts and waiting for some warm days outside here in the #PalmettoState
The spray stuff is holding fine. It was the same brand, just a different strength based on the same basic formula. So far so good. The contact cement is holding as well.
I love it when instantly they bum for likes an 👍up.that comes at the end of the video if it’s good not in the beginning.sorry iam a honest type of guy .strait forward no BS
I have not use the loctite adhesive but I've had great results with 3 M super 77 adhesive and with contact cement. Surface prep is important so I wipe things with alcohol and then use my torch to give the surface a light flaming.
I really appreciate the endorsement of another adhesive. It is hard to find things that will stick to HDPE. Thanks
Great video. I did a similar hack for my dog when she is in the kayak behind me. I used a ground mat that is about 1/2" thick, used for camping, sleeping on ground. Bought at Gander Mtn. online in a roll. Mine was for 2 reasons, an insulator from cold bottom for her when wet, and to dampen sound of her movement. I did not glue mine in, as it lays well as a rug would. Removable for cleaning and transport. The mat is camo also. Thanks for showing your success and fail, not everyone will do that.
Another great suggestion! thanks!
Just in reading the first two lines I can’t get the image of a dog with a yoga mat glued to it out of my brain now lol
Just wanted to let you know that since I’ve started kayak fishing, every mod I have done or mod idea I have had, you have already done a video. You’ve saved me money for sure and given me great ideas! Keep grinding sir, you the man!
That is awesome!
I know what I am doing this weekend,,,,GREAT hack
Thank Heath for the Yoga Mat idea!
internetslob what's the link to Heaths channel
@Kayak Hacks Fishing,,,,a good question
ruclips.net/channel/UCAONQ1RaDCxLBu2q5xGGyMQ
ruclips.net/channel/UCAONQ1RaDCxLBu2q5xGGyMQ
That was a great hack. Due to my superior brain I knew at the beginning those mats were heavy and it didn't take you long to verify. The install looks great and now you are more stealth.
One can only wish for similar brainpower! Many "hacks" never make it to video :-)
I did this with my canoe. Used contact cement and yoga mats for kneeling. Good for white water canoeing
And you do Yoga now? or you still fishing?...LOL.
Never tried yoga. Fishing is how I relax :)
yeah, I saw it (By the way your kayak is amazing!! congrats!)
Good to get another confirm on the contact cement - thanks!
Good work Steve . I've tried some alternatives also . Including bath /shower mat with suction cup underneath . Easy to remove and clean
Bath mat! Great idea!
I just started kayaking not really into fishing... I just haven't done it much. But I wanted to say I LOVE your enthusiasm you bring to your videos!
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
Great vid. Info I can use
Perfect!
Good idea ill have to look into that. Good video thanks
My pleasure!
I did a diy sea-deck too, but I used the harbor freight anti-fatigue foam mat and 100% rubber cement. I like your idea too.
Good idea!
Justin Cann How well has that held up? I am considering that same technique
I've been wanting to do this for a while.
1. For cushioning when I'm standing. I think it'll increase my stability.
2. Sound dampener, as you informed.
3. Parts of the deck on my kayak (1st Version Ascend FS128T) are actually lower than the scupper holes, so not all the water drains. This can help even out the deck.
So far so good!
Great video, Steve! (I may be a little biased). Turned out great
Thank you for letting me use those pictures and for finding the Yoga Mat! Contact cement is working great and I did not end up using that much. Less than 1 bottle!
I'm honored! Hope to get down that way this summer. Maybe we can take the yaks out?
Let me know!
Send me a note when you have a date. We can check the tide and wind - those drive where we would go and if we could go respectively.
I've been yoga matting my Ascend, 5mm mats, the adhesive would not dry! 3 mm works just fine!
If you want to make templates, I would recommend
Walmart paper lawn bags
2-ply 16"L x 12"W x 35"H 5/$1.97
like 70x 32" when you open them up!
took one bag to do my fs120
You are one of my Go-to Guys on youtube, Steve, thanks!
Thanks for the tip on the bags!
In the coast guard we have these big non-skid stickers we have to put on all of the walking surfaces, and replace them whenever they get scraped up. We put the stickers on, and then seal the edge with “aquaseal”. 3m makes an equivalent marine grade adhesive edge sealant, but i’d imagine most epoxies or maybe even “shoe goop” could work. . The way we do it, you put the sealant around the edges, on top of the sticker so it covers the edge of the sticker, and over onto the boat surface. This makes a water and airtight seal around the edge, keeping it from pulling up.
Great idea! Thanks
Are traction stickers going to deaden sound?
@@doctorkayak Not at all. However the marine “edge-seal” or “goop” could be used for other methods to keep the edges from peeling away for longer
@4:53 "I know it works because I had to *REAPPLY* the contact cement to my foot pads." Wait, what? If it worked I'm thinkin that you shouldn't've had to reapply it. 🤪
lol! Good point!
Love it man!
Glad you like it!
Thanks Kayak Hacks Fishing! You rock!! Love your videos.
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
Genius!!! Cant wait to try this hack
I really appreciate that! I'll work even harder!
My yak has a nice, flat floor, so I'll just cut a yoga mat to fit and lay it down without adhesives, and without cutting around the scupper holes. I can just pull it out to let the boat drain, shake off any loose dirt, or hose it down if need be. Keep the good ideas coming, Steve.
That would work. I did not try mine without adhesive.
What can I say steve? other than good job...Great job!!
I foresee you in "Lotus flower position" meditation, before fishing...
Good meditation steve!!! LOL...
Lotus! lol. Sometimes I need that to mentally connect with the fish!
Looks great
Thanks!
Nice job as usual 👍🏻 I did something similar on my Hobie PA 12 but I used 3mm neoprene camo waders that I collected from people that had upgraded do to leaking. Just thought I would pass it along.
Great idea! Thanks!
This is great info! I built a 6ft plywood boat And also have a kayak. I think both with get this treatment!
That matt with the design looks very factory luxury edition. Meaning it doesn't look like a chopped up matt but a professional looking job👍
Heath Holland did a great job at detailed customization on his kayak in the pictures I included at the end of the video. Mine was pretty easy!
Kayak Hacks Fishing Nice video, another solution I found useful was the thin plastic roll you use in your kitchen cutlery draws/ plate cupboards. Very flexible, light weight and easy to shape.
Thanks for that tip! Heath and I struggled to find a material that would work. Glad for another option!
I'm new to kayak fishing but here is something else to try. I found a roll of sound proofing Insulation Deadener Mat 40"x24" on Amazon. It says it's waterproof and has an adhesive backing that sticks very well to my kayak so no messing around with glues and tapes. 1 roll was around $10. Hope this helps!
Thanks - I think I found it (amzn.to/2pXyDeA). It looks like it would work!
Was thinking of doing this exact thing with the yoga mat, glad to see it works before hand.
As you can see from my update video, it lasted all season and is still going strong!
Luckily for me my SeaDek was already installed on my used kayak. But a couple of years ago I installed mats for a friend on his kayak. We did something similar to your project, except we used those mats women use in kitchen drawers. They have small holes in them but are surprisingly silent. They come in a pretty big roll (different lengths too) and with a pattern, you can cut them into any shape. The big bonus is they come in dozens of colors and patterns in most stores.
Why don't I film these things?!
You should! And thanks for the tip on an alternative material!
How long did it last
It lasted for two seasons - maybe more - I sold the kayak at the end of the second season. I did have to reapply some contact cement once on the edges where I did not glue them adequately the first time.
forgot the noise test.... any way very good idea .. I wasn't the only one thinking on this one... thank you for the tip
I like you because you are all about saving money.
To quiet my "junk drawer" under my seat on my Bonafide...I used a thin piece of rubber mat and cemented it with 3M Contact Spray. It's contact cement in spray form. I sprayed both the drawer and the mat...waited for it to dry, and attached the mat. I've been in fresh and salt water several times. There has bin NO issues.
One thing I did before I applied anything was to scuff it lightly with a 3M pad...then cleaned the area thoroughly with rubbing alcohol .
Great suggestion and I like the rubbing alcohol idea as well to make things stick.
I like the mat idea . Wondering if bed liner spray out of a can would work ? It does bond to paint which is a plastic . Be interesting to see if it would work !
I would love it if somebody would try it and let us know. But... might really mess up a boat if it ends up being a sticky mess. We would need to try it on a milk carton first.
awesome!
You are PRO 😀
What yak is that? Looks cool
It was a Native Watercraft Ultimate. (nativewatercraft.com/product/ultimate-14-5-tandem/) However, I do not recommend it since, if you flip, the only way to recover is to swim it to shore.
What about a bath mat
That's a good idea! The sticky suckers on the bottom will probably work well.
Steve, can you do a video on adding a trolling motor to a kayak?
Ouch. I sold my Native Ultimate and the trolling motor last year. I bought a Native compatible mount for the motor and just clipped it on. In the Native, there is plenty of open space, so I extended the wiring to be able to put the heavy battery at the front to balance out.
Great Idea, especially when the foam pad for my 2020 Hobie 360 cost over $500 dollars. I would however recommend your viewers to use tape and mask out a template for each section of their kayak.
Good point!
I'd say it's good for the integrity of any bonding agent to lightly take off the gloss finish on your kayak. When you apply like cement Bondo it sticks better to the rough scratchy surface. :) as apposed to the slick gloss finish.
I agree that light sanding might help. You still have the issue of getting things to stick to HDPE. Jackson Kayak just told me that they use a product called Gflex. Pretty pricey.
All that and Karmic rehabilitation too!
Used yoga matt works well
Brother...get yourself a couple of saw horses. You knees, and back will like you better. Good video.
lol. When I work on the kayak to repair it, I do put it up. I should have done that here as well!
Instead of contact cement I use E6000. It is clear and if you have to remove it you can rub and peel it off.
Wow... craft cement? Is this the right stuff? amzn.to/2q56a2L
It does not mention plastic in the description - wonderful if it works... thanks!
It is actually an industrial glue that has found new life in crafting. As long as the glue can breath to cure.. Like that mat you installed. It doesn't cure well when it's plastic on plastic. I glued a dash cam mount to my van. Left it in the sun and it cured great.
Exterior carpet adhesive will work....for cleanup use mineral spirits.
Thanks! It is so hard to find stuff that will stick to HDPE
Does Heath have a video on how he did his layout with the designed yoga mats?
I do not think so. I do not believe he uploads.
It's been almost a couple of years since you posted this. My question is how did the 300 Level adhesive work? Do you think that it worked well enough so that the contact cement isn't necessary for the edges?
Thanks, I love your videos!
Appreciate your kind words! I posted an update at the end of season - ruclips.net/video/5ERya-trw74/видео.html
The 300 level worked fine. The contact cement peeled back a bit in places. I should have really put more 300 down right to the edges.
Shoulda used subfloor adheasive.
Thanks for that suggestion.
I’ve used indoor/outdoor carpet but it didn’t stay put.
Good to know - failed experiments are very useful!
Ok Ok calm down! Nice vid!
I have the same kayak and am wondering about your seat not be able to slide on the mat.
If I lift up a bit, it will slide. If you slide with your weight on it, the material will wrinkle and I assume eventually tear. If you slide a lot, maybe putting a lubricant down on top (vaseline?) would allow for more movement.
Tear apart a sliding screen door and screw the tracks in where you sit and then put the wheels onto your seat! Lol I am not sure if it would work, but a funny idea if someone wants inspiration.
Can you comment on your seat? Is that an upgrade or did it come with your yak?
It is the one that came with the boat. I fish a lot and, over time, the material in the seat stretched and is now lower than it was when new. The puts the horizontal crossbar uncomfortably on my tailbone. I have to use a pad now to prevent chafing. When looking for a seat, I would avoid anything that has a horizontal bar as the hinge between the seat and the back where the back of the seat runs perpendicular directly to the hinge. If there is an offset between the seat hinge and seat back, you should be OK as that would keep the metal bar away from your tailbone. That said when new, the seat was very comfortable and is OK with the pad.
Love the videos, Steve. Just wondering if anyone has tried the Non Slip Tool Box Liner available online & at homeware/ hardware stores - very light & flexible, would also glue down easily. Ok, ok ... I hear ya! I'll go ahead & try it, then I'll let y'all know the result :-)
That sounds like a great idea. I think anything inexpensive, thin and light would work great.
Too fragile
Your adhesion problem with the 3m tak tape is not using a cleaner and some adhesive promoter to the yak itself before sticking the 3m to it!!!
thanks for the tip!
@@KayakhacksFishing Not a problem... Once that promoter is in contact with the tape! You'll have to scrape it off. You can use it with stickers and duct tape too. Glad to help ya out😊
scotch outdoor dbl sided tape will hold in water, i havent tried the permanent series dbl sided tape. not sure contact cement will hold up long getting wet. let up know
Thanks for the tip! The contact cement I used did just fine as long as you did not flick or rub the sides.
why not just use the spray on rubber seen on tv. i have used it on my toolbox drawers, its light, cheap and easy to apply.
I bet that would work. Next kayak!
What kind of kayak even is that??
It is a Native Ultimate. I do not recommend it.
If the yoga mats get wet do they absorb the water , and how long dose it take to dry? Have you had issues with it getting moldy over time?
They are waterproof - at least the one I used from Walmart. It dries as fast as the kayak and there was no mold on it at the end of the season.
@@KayakhacksFishing Thanks great videos!
Lay off the caffeine prior to turning the camera on, and what’s with the zip tied noodles in the inside of your kayak ? Never seen that before.
This kayak had no buoyancy. I was trying to improve that.
Question what happens if you flip this kind of kayak out in the middle of the bay or lake? Can you flip it back over and get back in or will it sink?
lol! Many problems! You can review them on this playlist!
ruclips.net/video/PzJ2uv69T9M/видео.html
I use a yoga mat ant flex tape.
Taanks for the tip on the flex tape
Are the yoga mats water proof?
Looks good I’ve bought some Yellow Yoga Matt from Aldis to go on my #BigTuna I just have a lot of cutouts / special cuts and waiting for some warm days outside here in the #PalmettoState
The cutting is where you need to spend the time to get it really nice like Heath did!
Does it come loose when traveling at 70mph ? I travel to TX alot and do not want it to come out down the highway.
I have not had a problem with it going 60
Not sure can’t paddle that fast 💨 🤔
@@getoffyourbassandletsfish7651 work out more! Concentrate on speed strokes! =)
I'm pretty happy with my Seadek drop in kit on my WS Ride 135. =)
Nothing wrong with Seadek. It works great
boat is hdpe - high density polyetheline not polypropylene.Nice job!
You are correct. I misspoke. Thanks for pointing that out
should have chose a gray mat
There are a few different color choices. I should have taken my wife with me to pick - she is better at color coordinating than I am 😀
and a yoga mat adds buoyancy
Maybe a little... probably not that much.
How when it is inside the kayak? It only adds weight.
Take off gloss with sandpaper.
Wrong, first step should have been to remove failed adhesive. Steve you are asking for problems! LOL
The spray stuff is holding fine. It was the same brand, just a different strength based on the same basic formula. So far so good. The contact cement is holding as well.
I love it when instantly they bum for likes an 👍up.that comes at the end of the video if it’s good not in the beginning.sorry iam a honest type of guy .strait forward no BS