In this scene British should have the Airco Dh2 pusher and not the Se5a.The guy that he's in the tail of Manfred is Maj Lanoe Hawker that was killed by Red Baron flying a Dh2.This scene is settle in 1916.The Se5a came in march 1917!
That's right. Though Richthofen didn't let his enemies alive. (This belongs to the legend that Germany built upon his life.) When their plane was on the ground, he used to land to make sure they were dead, and if not, he killed them, then he used to cut the number of the plane with his knife, and sent all of them to his mother, so she could hang them in his bedroom. He was raised since he was 11 in a military school, he was taught that a good enemy was a dead enemy. He wasn't named the Red Devil without a good reason. But Germany needed a hero, so this was removed from the story, and he became the Red Baron.
+TheXWitcher He landed to make sure ,in spite of the risks, because he actually cut of the number from the side of the planes, and pictures of those pieces in his room can still be seen by anyone, they are historical memories of the war. Though the Red Baron wasn't stupid, he used to hide in the clouds, and then he brings his ennemy above the german lines, not above the french lines. When , for once, he made a mistake and flew above the french lines, he has been shot down.
Manfred Von Richthofen is without a doubt, my idol. It is sad to see that men in today's society see war as another reason to kill rather than a reason to defend. Manfred did nothing more than fight for his country. He did not fight with hate, he did not fight with anger. He simply fought with courage and honor which is way all war which should fought. At the end of the day, both sides, both countries, both men; are all just that. Men. We should respect one another and fight to better our world and our country, not to better our kill count. May the legend of the Red Baron live on. All respect to Roy Brown, Manfred Von Richthofen and the other Aces of the Great War.
The thing that gets me about this scene is that it’s based on a real event during the war. Captain Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, who was considered the father of air-air combat for Germany, was killed in a mid air collision. The Royal flying corps, which was later turned In to the RAF, dropped a wreathe reading. “To the memory of Captain Boelcke, our brave and chivalrous opponent.” Absolutely horrific war but moments of humanity still shine through.
ahmadov julius Yes, we could argue ad nauseam about how hard or easy to obtain they were, but he is not to be dethroned as ace of aces. And he never lost his wingman, which i better then being high scoring killer
@117580392032998868702 erich came from a family that had a long history with flaying . he was just 20 when he had his first victory . i think he had some eagle genes in his DNA .
if you actually look at his 80 kills the vast majority were slow 2 seater observation planes like the RE8........Not sure about the great pilot but certainly a successful one
This kind of professionalism was shown again, this time in WW2, When a German BF 109 escorted a badly damaged B17 bomber. Many of you here may have have known about it already
Was it Ye Old Pub? That's the first one that came to mind, and even then they showed honor isntead of rage, firing on a damaged plane is firing on a man in a parachute, as the German pilot said, repsect to all those pilots who had flown with honor.
In a deleted scene in “Flyboys” a German pilot returns, via dropping it over the funeral service, the “deal” of one of the killed pilots. Rawlings is offended thinking the Germans were mocking their dead friend until their CO said they were paying tribute, honoring a fallen pilot.
How respectful amd cool! That was super brave and amazing that they had such a level of respect for one another despite being enemies! THESE are REAL men!
Well....just like the Knights of old, they get replaced by "more efficient" and "better" soldiers who only follow and do as they are told. Which is to kill the enemy in the most efficient way possible, disregarding honor or even the lives of civilians who "accidentally" got killed.
It's amazing the tales you hear of the british and germans respecting eachtoher during wartime. Stories of pilots shot down, buried by the opposing side with full respect. Of bodies washing up at beaches after jutland, and buried in neat and tidy graves by opposing sides. Of men that died at zeebrugge, washing up on shores and being buried with named graves by the germans, with letters sent to the british embassy letting them know of the man. Such respect is admirable 🇬🇧🤝🇩🇪
The Canadians sure as hell didn't play these stupid gentlemen games. "Throughout the war, stretches of the Western Front observed an unofficial “live and let live” policy between Germans and their French or British enemies. By mutual agreement, both sides agreed not to attack the other unless ordered - and would even schedule truces for meals and bathroom breaks. There are very few recorded instances of this ever happening with Canadians. As Canadian Corps commander Arthur Currie would often boast after the war, his troops prided themselves on killing the enemy wherever and whenever they could. “We tried to make his life miserable,” Currie said in 1919. In one particularly cruel episode, Canadians even exploited the trust of Germans who had apparently become accustomed to fraternizing with allied units. Lieutenant Louis Keene described the practice of lobbing tins of corned beef into a neighbouring German trench. When the Canadians started hearing happy shouts of “More! Give us more!” they then let loose with an armload of grenades." While all Commonwealth units were encouraged to conduct trench raids, Canadians were widely regarded as trench raiding’s most enthusiastic practitioners and innovators.
All that illustrates how senseless and avoidable the war was. European nations shared enough - in fact engaged in decades of trade and mutual exchange in science and culture - to finding a peaceful solution for the crisis of 1914.
But all that died in this war too and never came back. No wonder since it was Europe’s collective suicide. There were not many really big wars as senseless and crazy as this so called great" one.
No this is false! What they teach you in school these days are lies. Snoopy did shoot him down the Red Baron, only reason why they say it was this Canadian pilot that shot him down was because after the war ended the German government negotiated with Britian, France and the US. That was actually apart of the treaty of Versailles. The allies tell the world that Germany's greatest flying aces was shot down by a Canadian and not a dog on the condition that they take the blame for starting the first world war.
Such a great scene! He may have been calculating, ruthless and "thorough" (the way he took out that recon plane) but despit some boyish bravardo and snob at first was highly respectful of his enemys.
Manfred filled his bedroom with moments of his kills. He hung machine guns from his kills on his wall and shreds of fabric. He had a local jeweler make a little silver cup commemorating each and every kill. The collection ended when Germany and his jeweler could no long get silver to fashion the cups. It is hard to say if the baron loved the killing, but he most certainly loved the hunt.
@@stevemccarty6384 Oh he loved the challenge and the hunt aright, very much so. He also turned a rotary engine block into a chandelier. It was later on in the war after he'd seen so much and gained leadership positions that he matured and got a bit more jaded.
A different time when chivalry, honor and pride were number 1 . I always found it interesting that when an enemy pilot was shot down on the other ones side and lived they were treated as brothers with friendship , drinks and respect. Even though war is bloody and ruthless any time, they was a least a little humanity Back then.
A volte in guerra c'erano soldati che avevano regole d'onore e rispetto reciproco verso il nemico,il barone rosso era tra questi,ora in guerra non si ha rispetto per niente e nessuno,vale tutto
I have the utmost respect for pilots, however that does not change the fact that air combat now is not as honorable as it once was, it's not the pilots fault it is simply the way aircombat has evolved unfortunatly.
@@thatoneguy6466 If I remember correctly the first WW1 bombers dropped their bombs by hand. That must have been awkward looking flying a plane and throwing bombs like throwing candy. Then again a lot of the war machines that defined warfare in the coming decades looked akward in WW1. Like the first tanks, massive plodding vehicles with a small village as crew and doves for relaying messages
@@Athrun82 imagine the soldiers who first saw the planes dropping them, you finally broke through the enemy line and took their trench only to see your whole squadron blown to shreds by several hundred pounds of TNT, must have been heartbreaking
@@thatoneguy6466 The aircraft at the piint where hand dropping was the only option were very slow, very fragile. Much more so than the ones shown here for that matter. Rifle fire could put them down fairly easily.
W czasach,gdzie były zasady,ktoś musi patrzeć za siebie ,w słońce ,chmury itp.Kto patrzy ten przeżyje.Tutaj świetna scena,no i muzyka.Film godny polecenia,może komuś przybliży realia wojny ,gdzie samoloty dopiero wykluwały się i fliegery byli pilotami ,ktorzy patrzyli za siebie.Wielu to uratowało życie.
I lived in Germany for 8 years. I have tremendous respect for the German people and I think they are easily the smartest and most humble race in the world.
Don’t know if this is coming from a German or not 😂. But I’d say all of humanity has the same capacity to be the “smart”. Not just a group of people who lives in a patch of land called “Germany”
1) he admitted himself he wasn't the best pilot,he wasn't even the beast German pilot. He was rated below average during training. 2) what makes him especially 'humane'
Hm. You do realize this movie isn't *exactly* a primary source for history, right? Judging by your name, I guess you're German, so you know what movies Schweighöfer and Schweiger usually make. Well, to be fair, in the beginning of the Great War, planes weren't armed and used only for recon missions, that was when enemy pilots actually used to wave at each other while passing by. Didn't take long to arm the planes though, turning the into the same bloody battlefield without rules that the ground was
Actually there were some unwritten rules of conduct in fighter battles till middle of the war when serious war of attrition kicked in, but when you consider the fact that all of them flying a piece of wood covered in fabric and absolutely unprotected fuel tanks... heck, in 1917 RAF counted pilot's time of survival at max... 7 DAYS...
The actor who plays the Red Baron plays and imitates well. This is full control over emotions and professional concentration at work. Especially the eyes and gaze of Manfred von Reithoven during the fight.
@@BFVK Of course, I, you and no one living at the moment did not fly on a military mission with the red Baron. Suppose I'm wrong, but don't forget that you also have no idea what feelings and emotions were on the face of this legendary pilot. My assessment is subjective and mainly based on my personal experience and the experience of people in general. As for the fact that this German actor is a third-class actor, I wonder where you got this point of view from. Or you have a complete picture of his future success or failure in this profession.
@Thurse What is said is said. As I prefer. Let it be as close to the truth as possible. The past to the future passes through the present. Time is running out.
Love this scene, and the movie in general. Although the movie has (from what ive read( some pretty big flaws and is at some points innacurate, it still is a good film. It shows the honor of the pilots at the time, especialy Manfred's. Flying was seen as a sport back then, and nothing else. The men that flew understood the dangers of flight, and yet they flew. Respect
They were maniacs, in a good way. They knew they weren't going to last and partied hard before flying again. They were a different breed, and had a lot of balls. Much of everything was so primitive back then so anything could happen and anything was hell.
I don't know about Richthofen. He had a habit of keeping "trophies" from the men or aircraft he shot down (if he could get them). Being shot down back then meant death 98% of the time. So, he was generally collecting trophies from those that knew he had probably killed. The only people I'm aware of that consistently takes trophies from those they have killed are serial killers. That didn't dawn on me until a year or so ago. I'm also NOT saying Richthofen was a serial killer; I'm just saying that realization altered and tempered my perspective of the man a bit. A great warrior, but maybe not quite as gentlemanly and chivalrous as we like to think. In everything I've read about the man, it was always the loss of his friends that he loved that began to wear on him. Not much is mentioned of him getting worn down because his conscious is bothering him due to all the killing, there is a tiny bit of that mentioned, but not a lot. He pretty much stayed a hunter until the end.
As a student of military aviation history, I found this movie authentically and accurately portrays the life of Manfred Von Reichthofen. The detail of period Allied/German aircraft displays the realism of very early aircraft.
You've gotta be kidding. Even this particular scene was ridiculous. This was based on a real event, of course, but it was the British dropping a wreath at Bolcke's funeral. Richthofen's reaction to Bolcke's death was to go out on a solo flight to find someone to kill. He was a hunter. That was his passion and his culture was that of the old Prussian military tradition. This weepy, conflicted anachronism bears no resemblance to the historical man.
satidog I totally love this movie but I agree with you. I think the movie kinda focused too much on the moral conflict emotions etc. of Richthofen; resulting in him looking more childish and innocent. That must have been the director's intentions but they could have made his character look more ruthless while presenting some sort of moral conflict to show his weakness at the same time. Nevertheless, I can safely say this movie is FAR better than what the innocent populace call "War (Aviation) movie"...
Erich Löwenhardt From what I've read he didn't talk much of "moral conflict." He described relishing the sight of an enemy going down, particularly if he'd gotten in close and seen his face. He also really enjoyed shredding infantry when given the chance. He became dark in his last year or so after being injured and after seeing so many friends die. He had that fatalism that most of them got if they survived in the air for a while. They didn't expect to live out the war. To be realistic and still show a sympathetic character (If that's really the goal of every movie) they could have focused more on what seems to have been genuine patriotism. He talked about the pain of not being able to keep the scouts away from the German troops because they would relay positions to Allied artillery. He felt it his duty to protect his countrymen on the ground and if he was torn up about the war it was because Germany was losing and he knew it. He was raised for fighting. The aristocracy and the Prussian military tradition he came up in were huge shapers of the late 19 and early 20th century. His story is definitely worth telling and it would make a white-knuckle movie. This movie, taking the name and supposedly his story, kind of sucks all the oxygen out of it and makes it unlikely anyone will make the movie it could have been.
If you want a WWI flying movie with a conflicted young man who genuinely feels bad about the men he kills, you need a film about Albert Ball or Arthur Rhys-Davies. von Richthofen was an aristocrat whose major interests and pastimes were riding and hunting. FWIW, I think Manfred was at least a little ADD and his behavior bears this out. If you want a copy of The Baron's memoir The Red Fighter Pilot, it is available from a number of internet sources.
I never saw this move but ones I saw that guy with the glasses I said to myself oh you're important aren't you ... loving the shades to now I have to go play some rise of flight.
TheChuck624 still managed to land his plane before he died though. The red baron wasn't an air acrobat. He was just a really really good shot in a plane.
No one wanted to admit it? The death of Von Richthofen has never been certain, but ground fire is the widely accepted cause. Nobody has ever denied that
Amazing! Imagine how hard it is with WW1-era technology and intel to time their arrival over the funeral service at the exact moment when a salute is about to be fired? AND on top of that to be able to drop a wreath (a fairly light object that is easily moved by wind, the rush of air etc., mind you) by hand and without any automatic aids whatsoever, from a fast-moving aircraft, so that it just perfectly lands righ in the grave? That is simply superhuman!!!
There was no Star of David logo painted on any of the fighter planes in the Red Baron's squadron. There was, however, a German Jewish fighter ace, Fritz Beckhardt, who served in the first World War but he chose to have a large Swastika painted on the sides of his fighter plane.
Always been an admirer of the Baron. We have to see both sides of the spectrum. He only did his duty like the good soldier he was. His brother lother was his protege. It was a time of respect and, chivalry from both sides.
Manfred un hombre de honor alemán el era un varón me había necesidad de luchar como el lo ISO por su patria tiempos del kaiser un gran ejemplo lamentablemente fallesiste cercano al término de esa guerra que Dios te tenga en su misericordia!!
Unlike in the case of ground combat, the air combat at that time was mostly reserved for people from higher society classes. Typically lower noblemen, like Richthofen himself. And even those that weren´t noblemen were typically inspired by their standards. And noblemen typically respected each other throughout the history. Back in times of mounted knight combat, they were the first who applied the rules of combat on each other and allowed each other the privilege of ransom. Those were customs that were typically held even back in WW1, but only in situations that allowed it, which certainly wasnt the case during trench warfare, which was in stark contrast to the aerial warfare.
I haven't seen this movie when I was 8 years old , but when I was nine I seen this so called "red baron friend and enemy'. but I realized that this thing was epic! Now I kept watching this for months because there was 2 people that created this movie are Dirk reidarft and Stefan Hansen. Those two are the greatest film maker ever!
Am I the only one who finds the cleanliness of it all a bit annoying? Old rotary engines should be spraying castor oil and other lubricants everywhere, the pilots faces would be grimed and soot-stained. Admittedly, it's also noice to have a World War One movie that doesn't believe in covering everyone with mud, but for crying out loud at least put a speck on one of the uniforms.
BioActiveScout 629 Oh, no; I understand that nearly all of it will be computer generated. MY point is that they could have taken the effort to make it seem slightly more realistic.
True. Same with Flyboys ! And the other thing that irks me is the final scene in the movie. And the fact that he pushes the controls forward when he fires....
+VelmiVelkiZrut well actually in some lator scenes in the movie the pilots at least show a hint of dirt/oil on their faces after landing but e agree. still its cool they even animated the zylinders moving on the engine block. plus war never is as clean as in movies...
I salute the Red Baron but, come on, we all know Werner Voss was the better pilot! He did things with an aero craft they didn't know could be done. Bless all of them, they did what they had to do.
Werner was indeed a better pilot, a lot of experts also agree that Von Richthofen wasn't the best pilot. He was good but not the best, the thing Von Richthofen had going for him that he was the best shot. Where Werner Voss could've missed an enemy Richthofen would have shot him down.
Iron Duke Hoy Iron Duke, that does make sense, Thank you for reminding me of that, Incredible men of their time. With much respect for them and depending which side you claim, It's a good thing they died in WW1. Imagine how effective they would have been in WW2! Thank God Herman Goring that flew with them who later took over the Luftw in WW2 was a complete idiot. Thank you again Iron Duke. I love WW1 Aviation.
+the10thleper your welcome mate, I also like how Von Richthofen in this movie said: "we are sportsmen not butchers." It quite fits the idea. They weren't enemies they were just opponents in a game of live and death.
Today's breed of fighter pilot have lost that" Knights of the air" mentality that pilots of WW1 and WW2 had. Now it's " get on his 6, get missle-lock, push the trigger, watch your adversary explode in a fireball, go home and call it a day.😞
Someone watched Flyboys too many times! By 1916 the "chivalry" in the air was very very little to none. As for modern air combat I can see you know absolutely nothing.
@@synthwavecat96 Sorry to tell you dude, but there are DOCUMENTED cases of enemy pilots treating each other in a courteous, dignified, manner. Yes, I have watched Flyboys, which in my opinion is 100% Hollywood----100% inaccurate, as usual. With regards to today's " combat pilots" they are passengers, the aircraft does almost everything for them, unlike their counterparts from WWI and WWII whose very life depended on their skills as a pilot. I suggest you talk to a veteran pilot from WWII you might walk away better educated with regards to true aerial combat. Have a nice day😀
@@christianguenther1276 Yeah, I'll go find one of the few existing combat pilots left from WW2 and ask them as a total stranger to tell me about how it really was. Yes there ate documented cases, but were they so commonplace that it was considered frequent? Especially in 1916? No. By mid 1916, deliberately chivalrous acts were a rarity, not abundant. This is my most researched war of all. I know what I'm talking about.
A gentleman and an officer.........respect to both sides!
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Despite flaws and shit found in this movie, it's still one of the most powerful and touching scenes ever.
+Paul Kiss Despite your attitude, I agree with you.
+Paul Kiss Much better then The Blue Max
I agree
Blue Max used real replica planes not fake CGI. A lot of Fokker DVII,DR1,Pfalz DIII and Se5a some of them still airworthy today...!!
In this scene British should have the Airco Dh2 pusher and not the Se5a.The guy that he's in the tail of Manfred is Maj Lanoe Hawker that was killed by Red Baron flying a Dh2.This scene is settle in 1916.The Se5a came in march 1917!
Professionals have STANDARDS.
I see you're a man of culture as well
"Be polite, be efficient, have a plan to *crash* everyone you meet."
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This is how men behave. Honor.
That's right. Though Richthofen didn't let his enemies alive. (This belongs to the legend that Germany built upon his life.) When their plane was on the ground, he used to land to make sure they were dead, and if not, he killed them, then he used to cut the number of the plane with his knife, and sent all of them to his mother, so she could hang them in his bedroom. He was raised since he was 11 in a military school, he was taught that a good enemy was a dead enemy. He wasn't named the Red Devil without a good reason. But Germany needed a hero, so this was removed from the story, and he became the Red Baron.
A history major? You are right. I believe there was one or two instances where he let a plane go, but those were only because of low fuel/ammo.
BioActiveScout 629 lol :D I need to study this case further ! ;) Who survived the Red Baron's attack , raise your hand . Must have been though...
*no hands come up* Pssh
+TheXWitcher He landed to make sure ,in spite of the risks, because he actually cut of the number from the side of the planes, and pictures of those pieces in his room can still be seen by anyone, they are historical memories of the war.
Though the Red Baron wasn't stupid, he used to hide in the clouds, and then he brings his ennemy above the german lines, not above the french lines. When , for once, he made a mistake and flew above the french lines, he has been shot down.
Dropping some humanity instead of bombs, sometimes make the difference
Manfred Von Richthofen is without a doubt, my idol. It is sad to see that men in today's society see war as another reason to kill rather than a reason to defend. Manfred did nothing more than fight for his country. He did not fight with hate, he did not fight with anger. He simply fought with courage and honor which is way all war which should fought. At the end of the day, both sides, both countries, both men; are all just that. Men. We should respect one another and fight to better our world and our country, not to better our kill count. May the legend of the Red Baron live on. All respect to Roy Brown, Manfred Von Richthofen and the other Aces of the Great War.
He didn't fight with hate or anger, but he was ruthless. I'd know: A] I've read his writings B] We're in the same bloodline, so, bit of a connection
BioActiveScout 629 what do you mean, “same bloodline”
@@krisramos407 Either he means he's related to him. Or he's talking about the ruthlessness of Germans when it comes to fighting 0-0
YumaLumaPumaTuma well said
@@synthwavecat96 Edward Mannock was different he hated the Germans to the gut and had pleasure watching them go down in flames
The thing that gets me about this scene is that it’s based on a real event during the war. Captain Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, who was considered the father of air-air combat for Germany, was killed in a mid air collision. The Royal flying corps, which was later turned In to the RAF, dropped a wreathe reading. “To the memory of Captain Boelcke, our brave and chivalrous opponent.” Absolutely horrific war but moments of humanity still shine through.
I might not be the best but that doesnt mean i can't
-red baron
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Love your last sentence. ❤
The so called "Christmas Truce" of 1914 follows a similar story for soldiers fighting each other in the trenches..
The spirit of chivalry, from the age of knights to early 20th century .... Great respect for that!
manfred von rihcthofen .the best pilot in WW1.he was a german
erich hartmann . the best pilot in WW2 . he was a german
there is a dispute whether René Fonck has the title or not, if he would gat six more confimations of 40 posibles he would beat Richthofen
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butt in all history erich hartmann is the best , he has 352 victory , the red baron has only 80 victory .
ahmadov julius Yes, we could argue ad nauseam about how hard or easy to obtain they were, but he is not to be dethroned as ace of aces.
And he never lost his wingman, which i better then being high scoring killer
@117580392032998868702
erich came from a family that had a long history with flaying . he was just 20 when he had his first victory . i think he had some eagle genes in his DNA .
ahmadov julius And he was, more improtant, even a great commander.
I fought in the sky’s with honor,pride and respect 🫡
“The sky remembers its own”
shut up
did you know... there are more planes in the ocean than there are submarines in the sky?? lol
RIP 94 years, we never forget!
100 actually
Simon Riley He didnt die in 1914...
Simon Riley 97
imagine now 100 years
The red baron is a legend. He was a great pilot. Such people should never be forgotten. and everyone, no matter if friend or foe, respected him
Well I did respect my foes and friends abilities
Yet you don't remember the better of them all :3
if you actually look at his 80 kills the vast majority were slow 2 seater observation planes like the RE8........Not sure about the great pilot but certainly a successful one
@@DavidDragonetti-t3qyou are speaking as though it was too easy to shoot down two seater planes
@@DavidDragonetti-t3q If you actually look at those slow "2 seater" observation planes the observer-gunner had a machine gun to shoot back.
This scene is exactly what made me fall in love with this movie
Im the only one who loves this soundtrack? It have became the first song I hear when I wake up. It is my alarm now :)
+André Rebola (AnR) friend and enemy
LoL
nice
Best part of the film is the soundtrack.
thats an epic way to wake up
This kind of professionalism was shown again, this time in WW2,
When a German BF 109 escorted a badly damaged B17 bomber. Many of you here may have have known about it already
Was it Ye Old Pub? That's the first one that came to mind, and even then they showed honor isntead of rage, firing on a damaged plane is firing on a man in a parachute, as the German pilot said, repsect to all those pilots who had flown with honor.
@@nou756 Yes, indeed sir
Yes. He was the ONLY one. Everyone else in Germany was 500% full on Nazi.
The German pilot's CO said to him "Honor is everything."
@@Tigerman1138
Not all the U-boat crews.
Imagine being so badass that you fly over enemy territory just to pay respect to a fallen enemy/friend pilot.
Those were real men
In a deleted scene in “Flyboys” a German pilot returns, via dropping it over the funeral service, the “deal” of one of the killed pilots. Rawlings is offended thinking the Germans were mocking their dead friend until their CO said they were paying tribute, honoring a fallen pilot.
That’s me my friend
I’d be proud to fly with you lot anytime
Such an act was not uncommon in the beginning of the war.
How respectful amd cool! That was super brave and amazing that they had such a level of respect for one another despite being enemies! THESE are REAL men!
You don't see chivalry like this anymore. These men were knights with wings.
Well....just like the Knights of old, they get replaced by "more efficient" and "better" soldiers who only follow and do as they are told. Which is to kill the enemy in the most efficient way possible, disregarding honor or even the lives of civilians who "accidentally" got killed.
@@Waftey
Go research "Rules of Engagement" for a little lesson in why that's bullshit.
Aw hell nah you haven’t seen shit. This is a highly romanticized version of ww1 combat.
Glad in this film they didnt only show the triplane as it wasnt all he flew
True. Richthofen had different planes over time
It's amazing the tales you hear of the british and germans respecting eachtoher during wartime. Stories of pilots shot down, buried by the opposing side with full respect. Of bodies washing up at beaches after jutland, and buried in neat and tidy graves by opposing sides. Of men that died at zeebrugge, washing up on shores and being buried with named graves by the germans, with letters sent to the british embassy letting them know of the man. Such respect is admirable 🇬🇧🤝🇩🇪
The Canadians sure as hell didn't play these stupid gentlemen games.
"Throughout the war, stretches of the Western Front observed an unofficial “live and let live” policy between Germans and their French or British enemies. By mutual agreement, both sides agreed not to attack the other unless ordered - and would even schedule truces for meals and bathroom breaks.
There are very few recorded instances of this ever happening with Canadians. As Canadian Corps commander Arthur Currie would often boast after the war, his troops prided themselves on killing the enemy wherever and whenever they could.
“We tried to make his life miserable,” Currie said in 1919.
In one particularly cruel episode, Canadians even exploited the trust of Germans who had apparently become accustomed to fraternizing with allied units. Lieutenant Louis Keene described the practice of lobbing tins of corned beef into a neighbouring German trench. When the Canadians started hearing happy shouts of “More! Give us more!” they then let loose with an armload of grenades."
While all Commonwealth units were encouraged to conduct trench raids, Canadians were widely regarded as trench raiding’s most enthusiastic practitioners and innovators.
All that illustrates how senseless and avoidable the war was. European nations shared enough - in fact engaged in decades of trade and mutual exchange in science and culture - to finding a peaceful solution for the crisis of 1914.
@@JB-yb4wn Psychopaths at work.
But all that died in this war too and never came back. No wonder since it was Europe’s collective suicide. There were not many really big wars as senseless and crazy as this so called great" one.
If you must fight a war, fight with honour.
What a bunch of neat men! I like this part ..
I love this movie really puts a face on the Red Baron
Mandatory skill for WW1 combat pilots... the exchange of long stares, while being shot at with a machine gun. ;)
Respect for the enemy, awesome scene.
Wait... Snoopy didn't shoot him down?
My life is a lie.
Tell me you didn't believe the song by The Royal Guardsmen -_-
curses,, foiled again
No this is false! What they teach you in school these days are lies. Snoopy did shoot him down the Red Baron, only reason why they say it was this Canadian pilot that shot him down was because after the war ended the German government negotiated with Britian, France and the US. That was actually apart of the treaty of Versailles. The allies tell the world that Germany's greatest flying aces was shot down by a Canadian and not a dog on the condition that they take the blame for starting the first world war.
@@zachbocchino5501 A canadian soldier shot him down with an rifle
BIG BEAR You know,the dog from the peanuts
Such a great scene! He may have been calculating, ruthless and "thorough" (the way he took out that recon plane) but despit some boyish bravardo and snob at first was highly respectful of his enemys.
Manfred filled his bedroom with moments of his kills. He hung machine guns from his kills on his wall and shreds of fabric. He had a local jeweler make a little silver cup commemorating each and every kill. The collection ended when Germany and his jeweler could no long get silver to fashion the cups. It is hard to say if the baron loved the killing, but he most certainly loved the hunt.
@@stevemccarty6384 Oh he loved the challenge and the hunt aright, very much so.
He also turned a rotary engine block into a chandelier.
It was later on in the war after he'd seen so much and gained leadership positions that he matured and got a bit more jaded.
A different time when chivalry, honor and pride were number 1 . I always found it interesting that when an enemy pilot was shot down on the other ones side and lived they were treated as brothers with friendship , drinks and respect. Even though war is bloody and ruthless any time, they was a least a little humanity Back then.
In my opinion, this movie should have gotten nominated by the Oscars for Best Original Score. I mean, listen to the music used in this scene.
A volte in guerra c'erano soldati che avevano regole d'onore e rispetto reciproco verso il nemico,il barone rosso era tra questi,ora in guerra non si ha rispetto per niente e nessuno,vale tutto
This is an unbelievably good film. Well worth watching for anyone with a passing interest in WW1 and air combat.
Love that music when the violin starts. Just wow
even with its flaws its a good movie
josh G better than flyboys
that movie sparked my love of biplanes
the only thing fly-boys got wrong was the triplanes other then that its perfectly fine
Those were the days when the word 'Gentlemen' possess true meaning.
I have the utmost respect for pilots, however that does not change the fact that air combat now is not as honorable as it once was, it's not the pilots fault it is simply the way aircombat has evolved unfortunatly.
for the first year of WWI, two enemy aircraft would circle one another, salute, wave, then shoot at one another with hand held pistols
HarveyRR. J_YT Imagine how awkward that would be like “Yeah hi” than pull out your pistol and have like a western movie standoff in planes
@@thatoneguy6466 If I remember correctly the first WW1 bombers dropped their bombs by hand. That must have been awkward looking flying a plane and throwing bombs like throwing candy. Then again a lot of the war machines that defined warfare in the coming decades looked akward in WW1. Like the first tanks, massive plodding vehicles with a small village as crew and doves for relaying messages
@@Athrun82 imagine the soldiers who first saw the planes dropping them, you finally broke through the enemy line and took their trench only to see your whole squadron blown to shreds by several hundred pounds of TNT, must have been heartbreaking
@@thatoneguy6466
The aircraft at the piint where hand dropping was the only option were very slow, very fragile. Much more so than the ones shown here for that matter. Rifle fire could put them down fairly easily.
W czasach,gdzie były zasady,ktoś musi patrzeć za siebie ,w słońce ,chmury itp.Kto patrzy ten przeżyje.Tutaj świetna scena,no i muzyka.Film godny polecenia,może komuś przybliży realia wojny ,gdzie samoloty dopiero wykluwały się i fliegery byli pilotami ,ktorzy patrzyli za siebie.Wielu to uratowało życie.
The albatross is such a beautiful plane
Ça c'était valable avant pendant la première guerre mondiale les pilotes avaient le respect de leur ennemi la chevalerie de l'époque
that background music always sends chills down my spine 😎
I got lucky and found a copy of that DVD on a wall when Blockbuster went out of business for a few bucks..it's a good one!!!
I lived in Germany for 8 years. I have tremendous respect for the German people and I think they are easily the smartest and most humble race in the world.
+ProudToBeUkrainian top kek
grow a fucking brain, man!
.... race .... ?? ^^
Don’t know if this is coming from a German or not 😂. But I’d say all of humanity has the same capacity to be the “smart”. Not just a group of people who lives in a patch of land called “Germany”
At least they might be now, but I have never been there so I will have to take your word for it.
The Red Baron was one of the greatest pilots that every lived. Skilful but also at the same time humane
1) he admitted himself he wasn't the best pilot,he wasn't even the beast German pilot. He was rated below average during training.
2) what makes him especially 'humane'
Der Rote Kampfllieger: The Red Fighter Pilot. Still remains a famous and well known friend and Enemy.
The soundtrack on this is AMAZING!!
Chivalry in the sky.
They dont make men like that anymore. RIP Baron Manfred Von Richthofen
A roll at that altitude, lol! 😂bit still a GREAT movie, love it😊👏
Brilliantly filmed!! I agree this is probably the best scene in the movie!
The aerial scenes in this movie are literally like being on a rollercoaster
it nice to know that piolets of world war 1 are Gentlemen and not Murderers
TheGermanSniper OP agree
Hm. You do realize this movie isn't *exactly* a primary source for history, right?
Judging by your name, I guess you're German, so you know what movies Schweighöfer and Schweiger usually make.
Well, to be fair, in the beginning of the Great War, planes weren't armed and used only for recon missions, that was when enemy pilots actually used to wave at each other while passing by.
Didn't take long to arm the planes though, turning the into the same bloody battlefield without rules that the ground was
Actually there were some unwritten rules of conduct in fighter battles till middle of the war when serious war of attrition kicked in, but when you consider the fact that all of them flying a piece of wood covered in fabric and absolutely unprotected fuel tanks... heck, in 1917 RAF counted pilot's time of survival at max... 7 DAYS...
BoarhideGaming I am accuelly not German
So your saying the navy and army of all countries during WW1 were not gentleman?
Im one of those kids that saw the baron fly by, i dreamed of being like him an honorable and great man and to fly as high as him one day
The actor who plays the Red Baron plays and imitates well. This is full control over emotions and professional concentration at work. Especially the eyes and gaze of Manfred von Reithoven during the fight.
Oh really ? You probably were with Red Baron in his plane to see his eyes during the fight to say this 3nd class actor "imitates well" , don't you ?
@@BFVK
Of course, I, you and no one living at the moment did not fly on a military mission with the red Baron. Suppose I'm wrong, but don't forget that you also have no idea what feelings and emotions were on the face of this legendary pilot. My assessment is subjective and mainly based on my personal experience and the experience of people in general. As for the fact that this German actor is a third-class actor, I wonder where you got this point of view from. Or you have a complete picture of his future success or failure in this profession.
You couldn't even be bothered to spell the name right.
@Thurse Man creates himself with his own words. What surrounds you enters into you. What you have inside comes out of you.
@Thurse What is said is said. As I prefer. Let it be as close to the truth as possible. The past to the future passes through the present. Time is running out.
Eres el mejor piloto de la luftwaffe alemana quiero ser como tú cuando cresca
Love this scene, and the movie in general. Although the movie has (from what ive read( some pretty big flaws and is at some points innacurate, it still is a good film. It shows the honor of the pilots at the time, especialy Manfred's. Flying was seen as a sport back then, and nothing else. The men that flew understood the dangers of flight, and yet they flew. Respect
Funny.
They were maniacs, in a good way. They knew they weren't going to last and partied hard before flying again. They were a different breed, and had a lot of balls. Much of everything was so primitive back then so anything could happen and anything was hell.
I don't know about Richthofen. He had a habit of keeping "trophies" from the men or aircraft he shot down (if he could get them). Being shot down back then meant death 98% of the time. So, he was generally collecting trophies from those that knew he had probably killed. The only people I'm aware of that consistently takes trophies from those they have killed are serial killers. That didn't dawn on me until a year or so ago.
I'm also NOT saying Richthofen was a serial killer; I'm just saying that realization altered and tempered my perspective of the man a bit. A great warrior, but maybe not quite as gentlemanly and chivalrous as we like to think. In everything I've read about the man, it was always the loss of his friends that he loved that began to wear on him. Not much is mentioned of him getting worn down because his conscious is bothering him due to all the killing, there is a tiny bit of that mentioned, but not a lot. He pretty much stayed a hunter until the end.
He was a hero. He was able to behave man in the war. Honor his memory
Yuri DeKhed he did not shoot people, but the planes
@Yuri DeKhed You're just a hater of Richthofen, fuck off mate.
As a student of military aviation history, I found this movie authentically and accurately portrays the life of Manfred Von Reichthofen. The detail of period Allied/German aircraft displays the realism of very early aircraft.
You've gotta be kidding. Even this particular scene was ridiculous. This was based on a real event, of course, but it was the British dropping a wreath at Bolcke's funeral. Richthofen's reaction to Bolcke's death was to go out on a solo flight to find someone to kill. He was a hunter. That was his passion and his culture was that of the old Prussian military tradition. This weepy, conflicted anachronism bears no resemblance to the historical man.
satidog
I totally love this movie but I agree with you. I think the movie kinda focused too much on the moral conflict emotions etc. of Richthofen; resulting in him looking more childish and innocent. That must have been the director's intentions but they could have made his character look more ruthless while presenting some sort of moral conflict to show his weakness at the same time.
Nevertheless, I can safely say this movie is FAR better than what the innocent populace call "War (Aviation) movie"...
Erich Löwenhardt From what I've read he didn't talk much of "moral conflict." He described relishing the sight of an enemy going down, particularly if he'd gotten in close and seen his face. He also really enjoyed shredding infantry when given the chance.
He became dark in his last year or so after being injured and after seeing so many friends die. He had that fatalism that most of them got if they survived in the air for a while. They didn't expect to live out the war.
To be realistic and still show a sympathetic character (If that's really the goal of every movie) they could have focused more on what seems to have been genuine patriotism. He talked about the pain of not being able to keep the scouts away from the German troops because they would relay positions to Allied artillery. He felt it his duty to protect his countrymen on the ground and if he was torn up about the war it was because Germany was losing and he knew it.
He was raised for fighting. The aristocracy and the Prussian military tradition he came up in were huge shapers of the late 19 and early 20th century. His story is definitely worth telling and it would make a white-knuckle movie. This movie, taking the name and supposedly his story, kind of sucks all the oxygen out of it and makes it unlikely anyone will make the movie it could have been.
You must study more then.
If you want a WWI flying movie with a conflicted young man who genuinely feels bad about the men he kills, you need a film about Albert Ball or Arthur Rhys-Davies. von Richthofen was an aristocrat whose major interests and pastimes were riding and hunting. FWIW, I think Manfred was at least a little ADD and his behavior bears this out. If you want a copy of The Baron's memoir The Red Fighter Pilot, it is available from a number of internet sources.
Учитесь современные воины уважать противника,бой ,боем но остаться человеком это искусство!
I never saw this move but ones I saw that guy with the glasses I said to myself oh you're important aren't you ... loving the shades to now I have to go play some rise of flight.
Simply Respect and Honor my friends. Two Great/Major Qualities of our Species. Thanks.
After all the so called dog fights and near misses Richthofen was brought down by ground fire although no one wanted to admit it.
TheChuck624 Can't mess with a 0.303 direct hit., a hole in the chest is hole in the chest!
TheChuck624 still managed to land his plane before he died though. The red baron wasn't an air acrobat. He was just a really really good shot in a plane.
No one wanted to admit it? The death of Von Richthofen has never been certain, but ground fire is the widely accepted cause. Nobody has ever denied that
+BoarhideGaming I always thought it was Snoopy who shot down the Red Barron.
+BoarhideGaming its pretty much certain to be ground fire now
Прекрасный фильм, прекрасное время! Рыцари неба, летающие на фанерных табуретках - Я восхищаюсь вашей храбростью, отвагой и любовью к полетам!!!
That's honor right there true honor respect your enemy
Very enjoyable film, from the aerial sequences ,to the story line ,have watched it a number of times .
it's a good movie but it could have been better :(
Rip Manfred ;__;
Amazing! Imagine how hard it is with WW1-era technology and intel to time their arrival over the funeral service at the exact moment when a salute is about to be fired? AND on top of that to be able to drop a wreath (a fairly light object that is easily moved by wind, the rush of air etc., mind you) by hand and without any automatic aids whatsoever, from a fast-moving aircraft, so that it just perfectly lands righ in the grave? That is simply superhuman!!!
Best aviation movie evar
Umm..no? This is one of the worst biopics ever made. The individual portrayed in the film is almost entirely unlike the real MvR.
coogrfan uum ok what movies of aire combat u recoment ?
If you want to see truly amazing aerial footage, check out "Hell's Angels" (1930), "The Blue Max" (1966) or "Battle of Britain" (1969).
The soundtrack to this movie is pretty amazing
There was no Star of David logo painted on any of the fighter planes in the Red Baron's squadron. There was, however, a German Jewish fighter ace, Fritz Beckhardt, who served in the first World War but he chose to have a large Swastika painted on the sides of his fighter plane.
A swastika in ww1 are you sure?
Always been an admirer of the Baron. We have to see both sides of the spectrum. He only did his duty like the good soldier he was. His brother lother was his protege. It was a time of respect and, chivalry from both sides.
Lother? Lothar.
It’s sad to see his freinds fly over and his brother and salute it’s so sad
Knights of the Air, honour and chivalry were their legacy.
"To our Enemy and Friend"
When KNIGHTS were flying over there...
Manfred un hombre de honor alemán el era un varón me había necesidad de luchar como el lo ISO por su patria tiempos del kaiser un gran ejemplo lamentablemente fallesiste cercano al término de esa guerra que Dios te tenga en su misericordia!!
Von Richstofen. The most ferocious and honorable pilot.
The German spirit is a model for all of us... always!
In the end, we come to respect our friends, and our enemies.
"Kings make us enemies, In the end we are brothers"
That Red Baron was smart. He never spent the entire night before a mission carousing and drinking root beer.
And he's flying
*HIGHER!*
this is my favorite scene
Mine too
1:28 legend has it that Canada Goose jacket was used during WW1 and in this film for heritage purposes.
That maneuver at 2:48 was badass
Yuri DeKhed BOO HOO
@Yuri DeKhed how is it bullshit
❤ epic chivalry! Bring it back, gentlemen!
that shows class and balls
Les Jone too bad he never did it in real life. He was too busy trying to stay alive.
You know this is a movie right?
based on true facts idiot
Balls of Iridium
Unlike in the case of ground combat, the air combat at that time was mostly reserved for people from higher society classes. Typically lower noblemen, like Richthofen himself. And even those that weren´t noblemen were typically inspired by their standards. And noblemen typically respected each other throughout the history. Back in times of mounted knight combat, they were the first who applied the rules of combat on each other and allowed each other the privilege of ransom. Those were customs that were typically held even back in WW1, but only in situations that allowed it, which certainly wasnt the case during trench warfare, which was in stark contrast to the aerial warfare.
This movie is the reason I am a pilot now. Insane.
Got any twin engine time? Out of nothing but sheer 3AM curiosity.
Theses were real men -made of honor and courage.
Unlike today smh
@Yuri DeKhed And your life is a bullshit 🖕
@@RandomizedRobloxian1991
Durka durka
Well said! And he'd agree with you.
WW1 pilots flew with dignity, honor, respect, and pride. They were truly Knights of the skies.
Awww, it's sweet that you believe that.
This movie was nearly as historically accurate as Jaws II.
Respect for British RAF,Good Job, Baron.
EPIC MOVIE!
I haven't seen this movie when I was 8 years old , but when I was nine I seen this so called "red baron friend and enemy'. but I realized that this thing was epic! Now I kept watching this for months because there was 2 people that created this movie are Dirk reidarft and Stefan Hansen. Those two are the greatest film maker ever!
Am I the only one who finds the cleanliness of it all a bit annoying? Old rotary engines should be spraying castor oil and other lubricants everywhere, the pilots faces would be grimed and soot-stained. Admittedly, it's also noice to have a World War One movie that doesn't believe in covering everyone with mud, but for crying out loud at least put a speck on one of the uniforms.
For one, they probably used CGI tech, and two, they probably didn't use rotary engines in any of the real planes.
BioActiveScout 629 Oh, no; I understand that nearly all of it will be computer generated. MY point is that they could have taken the effort to make it seem slightly more realistic.
True. Same with Flyboys ! And the other thing that irks me is the final scene in the movie. And the fact that he pushes the controls forward when he fires....
+VelmiVelkiZrut It was a well known fact that pilots often suffered diarrhea because of constantly swallowing the castor oil.
+VelmiVelkiZrut well actually in some lator scenes in the movie the pilots at least show a hint of dirt/oil on their faces after landing but e agree. still its cool they even animated the zylinders moving on the engine block.
plus war never is as clean as in movies...
Thanks
Our task is to shoot down aeroplanes not men. we are sportsmen not butchers.
-The Red Baron🚁
Too bad the man himself said to aim for the pilot's head.
Too bad that whole thing is a mistranslation from a book you can barely even call an autobiography
Doesn't change the fact they had by far the best looking aircraft available!
I salute the Red Baron but, come on, we all know Werner Voss was the better pilot! He did things with an aero craft they didn't know could be done. Bless all of them, they did what they had to do.
The numbers say different but k
Werner was indeed a better pilot, a lot of experts also agree that Von Richthofen wasn't the best pilot. He was good but not the best, the thing Von Richthofen had going for him that he was the best shot. Where Werner Voss could've missed an enemy Richthofen would have shot him down.
Iron Duke Hoy Iron Duke, that does make sense, Thank you for reminding me of that, Incredible men of their time. With much respect for them and depending which side you claim, It's a good thing they died in WW1. Imagine how effective they would have been in WW2! Thank God Herman Goring that flew with them who later took over the Luftw in WW2 was a complete idiot. Thank you again Iron Duke. I love WW1 Aviation.
+the10thleper your welcome mate, I also like how Von Richthofen in this movie said: "we are sportsmen not butchers." It quite fits the idea.
They weren't enemies they were just opponents in a game of live and death.
The men who fought Voss in his last dogfight were in awe of his flying skills.
Today's breed of fighter pilot have lost that" Knights of the air" mentality that pilots of WW1 and WW2 had. Now it's " get on his 6, get missle-lock, push the trigger, watch your adversary explode in a fireball, go home and call it a day.😞
Someone watched Flyboys too many times!
By 1916 the "chivalry" in the air was very very little to none. As for modern air combat I can see you know absolutely nothing.
@@synthwavecat96 Sorry to tell you dude, but there are DOCUMENTED cases of enemy pilots treating each other in a courteous, dignified, manner. Yes, I have watched Flyboys, which in my opinion is 100% Hollywood----100% inaccurate, as usual. With regards to today's " combat pilots" they are passengers, the aircraft does almost everything for them, unlike their counterparts from WWI and WWII whose very life depended on their skills as a pilot. I suggest you talk to a veteran pilot from WWII you might walk away better educated with regards to true aerial combat. Have a nice day😀
@@christianguenther1276
Yeah, I'll go find one of the few existing combat pilots left from WW2 and ask them as a total stranger to tell me about how it really was.
Yes there ate documented cases, but were they so commonplace that it was considered frequent? Especially in 1916? No. By mid 1916, deliberately chivalrous acts were a rarity, not abundant. This is my most researched war of all. I know what I'm talking about.
@Yuri DeKhed
Yeah, for an AIM-9, maybe. But for an AIM-120, absolutely not.
chivalry slowly died overtime...
He does that smug look over his shoulder a little too much
3:00 "And I took that personally."
i watch this everytime when im in a plane on bf1 to give me inspiration and be better
They can't depict the intensity but I always respect WW angels.