Dahmer himself said that he was, in fact, “born this way”. But what I appreciate about this show is how it shows the absolute perfect storm of inherited mental illness, abandonment, isolation, loneliness, repressed sexuality, family dysfunction and alcoholism that, while maybe not having “made” Dahmer, certainly contributed to his psyche.
Well said…there are ppl that are born with a mental disease/disorder similar to Dahmer’s but if the ppl around you notice that and treat you with love and compassion some of them can contain themselves
@biibiib buubuub Don’t worry about that guy. He’s calling Dahmer “the goat” saying he should’ve been freed and that we’re all just soft. Just an attention seeker.
I assume walking through life with the name Dahmer would be similar to having the name Hitler. Even if you weren't closely related the reactions would get old real fast.
I also think he was always going to do it. He had a lot of the signs of a psychopath (soon to be serial killer) but what kills me on Jeffrey’s part (who I hate because he targeted so many POC knowing society at that time did not care about them whatsoever) is that you’ll see there were several times he actually asked for help or began to plead that something was wrong and he felt it but he got shut down at every turn. So by the time he was full blown sociopathic killer he had shut himself down. This could’ve been stopped at so many different points, it’s heartbreaking. Loving the reaction and discussions
@@kernaishaxoxo youre welcome! Yeah he was tested for that and failed. I also don’t think he was actually a sadist. He also did seem to possess empathy because he drugged and then strangled his victims so they couldn’t feel anything. He was diagnosed for BPD and I think also schizophrenia and lots of people think he was autistic too
It's up to the individual whether they want to believe him or not obviously but I just wanna point out the real life Jeffery Dahmer said he didn't care about the race of the victim it was always about looks for him.
Also the scene like what you mentioned that really got me (and really the only time I actually empathized with his situation during this) was the Dinner scene in I believe episode 4. When he's with his dad and his stepmom and is seemingly trying to confess to the Steven Hicks murder and the feelings he'd been having and his dad just shuts him down (I think because he thinks Jeff is about to tell him he's gay) with the idea of going to Ohio State god I really hope that scene was fabricated for the sake of making it more dramatic cause if not that's so fucking depressing to think there were so many times so early on people could of stopped this and didn't.
I got it, but imagine fucking every one up because a guy sliped up in the past. Tis is just an extreme exemple, but you got draw a line between total control and slack on the police side. Both ways can end in a dahmer situation.
I'm no expert but I was raised by parents who grew up in this era and this is a VERY ACCURATE depiction of what life and culture was like in the 50's and 60's, from making fun of mental illness, toxic masculinity to hush it up and dont talk about it mentality" and educational dissections 🤷♀️😬
It still blow's my mind as someone who grew up in the 2000's and 2010's that there was ever a time that they'd just let teenagers buy all the alcohol they want no questions asked.
@@isabelvalentine I'm amazed that this didn't set off any red flags with people who saw this young man getting hammered in the middle of the day during school even at points and did nothing about it like that's not normal behavior for a 18 year old kid regardless of whether it's legal or not.
But they're backed up by officers confirming all these things. Jeffrey hated what he was in every way possible. He admitted everything in detail so I actually believe his accounts
@@prodigalbrock I wouldn’t trust his account completely. That Dean Hughes guy we saw in the series was found dead in his apartment in 1991 and Jeffrey said he didn’t kill him. It’s still a cold case today. He also claimed that he killed Tony the night he met him yet Tony’s friends and family say he knew Jeff for a long time. Also read up on what he did while he was in the military according to other comrades of his, a lot was left out of the series and he didn’t admit to everything.
@@alex_n215 I don't really think he did anything to Dean personally. It doesn't fit the way Jeff killed at all. It's a low income community with lots of shady folks around, coincidences do occur But yea his account isn't entirely trustworthy I agree there.
@@yoda9256 true, but I mean like we only have Dahmer's word on it, no solid proof because it happened so long ago. But he doesn't seem the type to lie so meh.
Dahmer really was like the serial killer version of Napoleon Dynamite. I binge watched this whole show in 2 days and it was phenomenal, The guy who plays Dahmer deserves an Oscar and the production team did an amazing job at setting the tone and recreating it almost perfectly. I have to rate this show 10/10.
Dahmer is definitely an imperfect storm of nature and nurture. Plus. He could have been caught multiple times. Some speculate that he had supernatural guardian "angels" that prevented him from being caught. My personal opinion... he got away with so much due to the police department's relationship with the community. If this happened in this generation, he would have been arrested sooner and many lives would have been saved.. It is really heart breaking on the what if's.
4:40 I think one of these guys made the comic book "My Friend Dahmer" about various stories from when they went to high school together. Apparently there was another even angrier mentally ill guy at that high school at the time, but as far as anyone knows, he never killed anyone. It was a pretty good comic, but didn't have a continuous story to it. Just a series of random scenes from all the times they interacted with him, saw him drinking around school, and times he creeped them out. 16:00 Yes, that absolutely happened. Most serial killers almost get caught several times, and only continue getting away with murder because the police are stupid or lazy, and usually don't care about the gay men or sex workers who are their victims.
It's pretty well documented from what I've seen so far. Now, I'm a late 80's baby. Grew up in the 90s. When Tracy got out, I was only 3, so I'm just now learning the story. It's so eerie how similar Evan sounds to Dahmer. It's so exact. He's nailed it.
Not many people catch it but in the part where he k1ll's the guy, as soon as he realises hes dead he says quietly "ill never speak to him again" while crying, he didnt even care hes dead, just that he cant be with him anymore...
Jeffreys brother did change his name & the last known thing of him was he graduated from college in Cincinnati,ohio in 1991 & as of 2004 he was married with two kids. Lionel (Jefferys dad) is still alive & lives in Ohio. He actually helped with this show Love your reactions!!!.
How do you know Lionel helped out with the show? I tried looking into that but didn't see anything about it. I did, however, see that he might sue Netflix for "glamorizing" the victims' murders. So if he helped with the show, that's super confusing to me. I don't think the show glamorizes anything, it just sheds light on what happened imo.
It said there is no evidence that the hernia surgery would have primarily caused his violent tendencies. However I believe very strongly the hernia stunted his emotional development from age 4. Think about it, he shows as having the social mentality of a child, all his one sided responses. Much like his parents, it's not 100% the reason, but it is a puzzle piece for sure.
I have a friend who told me that after a surgery, to remove tonsils I think, her young cousin became stunted. He didn't become a murderer, but he seemed to stop maturing emotionally and intellectually.
Their awful track record is why I don't blindly "bAcK tHe BluE"... Most government workers and middle management are lazy and inept. I generalize because that's the general experience. The ones who do well are the exemptions to the rule. Most cases are "solved" by snitches, sloppy perpetrators making obvious missteps or evidence unearthed decades later. The only thing that they're good for are writing traffic citations and history reports.
Loving these reactions. I think of all the serial killers I’ve heard of and watched documentaries on, Dahmer is the one that disturbed me the most. I had nightmares about him when I was younger. 😬
Imma have nightmares after the fish gut scene and how he liked cutting open the pig we gotta cut them open in science and we’ve only ever opened hearts now I’m gonna feel ashamed for thinking science is cool
I’m surprised no one outed the little brothers new name if he changed it,… like he went to grade school and probably college with Dahmer as a last name,… people must know the little brother from his childhood
5:10 Ryan Murphy also puts a frog dissection in season 3 of AHS. The witch undergoing her ordeals to become a Supreme is an animal lover so her worst memory is being forced to harm a live animal by her sadistic teacher.
Whilst I don't feel sorry for Dahmer as such, he's very self-aware, he knows what he's doing and how wrong it all is and tries to reach out, but he's either ignored or pushed away.
I have actually dissected a pig but it wasnt until college. In high school we did a worm a shark and a frog. I am not a murderous being but I did really enjoy being in the lab doing all of those things. I see some people who said they were required to do the assignment. In my experience there was always some people who didn’t want to do it and they were always able to sit out !
His father said to just think of the fish as a woman because he knew Jeff liked men & he didn't want him to be a homosexual, he had enough problems with his marriage already & his job being extremely stressful that he just wanted his son to be as normal as possible & wanted him to like girls like normal men & just want Jeff to be normal & live a normal life but he still loved & supported his son even after he discovered that his teenage son only liked men because he loved him & wanted him to be happy regardless & obviously he didn't expect the news of insanity that he learned about his son in 1991 when Jeff got caught but he still loved him & still tried to still be a loving father even after Jeff went to prison!!!!! His father was a very strong man & obviously got a real raw deal thanks to his wife & obviously his son Jeff💯 it's kind of sad when u think about it because most ppl only thing about the killer or the victims or the victims families or even the police & media but nobody really cares about or gives any sympathy to the killers own family that still actually loved the evil monster of a person!!!! It's a colossal mindfuck of a situation to be in not just because u feel guilt for your son becoming a monster & ended up the way he did or guilt for the victims he brutally Murdered and the guilt towards they're families because it was they're son that ruined so many lives but also because they get blamed for it & they get constantly harassed daily for the evil deeds that they're son did & they get used by the media & worst of all , they know that they're son will always haunt them because of what he has done!!!!!
Dennis Neilson was similar killer operating in London in the 1980s. David Tennant starred in a drama about the investigation called Des. I'd love to see you review it.
Jeff always left his brother alone. Thing about him he knows what he does is wrong. But he does it because of an overriding desire. This is something he wanted his brother to see nothing of.
The thing is, now that we do know what signs to look for, there have been steps taken to prevent serial killers from developing. Given, lower income communities have less access, and the results are often high functioning individuals who abuse in other ways or just alienate everyone over time. The big signs for serial killers in early childhood include trauma to the head or surgery where something went wrong (brain damage due to anesthesia). There's bed wetting into the teen years, but also setting fires (not like building camp fires, but lighting up a field or burning a beloved plant or something) and of course, torturing animals. Now, when it comes to animals, it can be complicated. Lots of kids grow up fishing, myself included, and don't kill anything but fish. It's really the socially unacceptable animal violence that is the indication, knowing society would frown at something, but doing it anyway. Also, interest in anatomy or even taxidermy can be a healthy hobby for kids, but it needs to be emphasized that respect for life is vital. Teaching a kid that yeah, bodies and anatomy are cool and they can ask questions is important, as well as teaching empathy. High functioning sociopaths generally know what will get them arrested, so attempt to avoid those behaviors. The reason you don't hear about the one's who start to show serial killer signs but don't go on to be one, is simply that successes like that don't make the news. Yay, we diverted a future killer by making him a dentist. Huzzah. Let's look at something depressing now. Speaking of depressing, thanks for this episode. Liked your reactions and I hope that you continue this series
@@yoda9256 that may be true. I was using the terms more loosely to describe lack of empathy or displays of aberrant behavior. I've heard it said that the better description for Dahmer would have been antisocial personality disorder. The fact is, many of the traits of APD overlap with sociopathy. Thanks for posting that out. Rather than going back and editing my comment I will let this mistake remain so that others may learn from it. Thanks, dude.
PPD is very tricky. You are more susceptible to it if you already have mental illness. It can actually make said mental illness worse as well due to the hormonal effects on our brain chemistry. I already had depression and then after I got pregnant with my son B O O M sewerslide ideation. (Also being in a toxic and abusive relationship on top of it) and then I got better and then I had him and the pregnancy hormone left and then the only thing i was motivated to do was take care of my son and keep him alive. I didn't shower, eat, sleep well, unless I was reminded by my wonderful grandma who would hold him so I could enjoy a hot meal and take a hot shower. Or stay up on the sleepless nights with me so I could grab a couple zs
I went to the US (Louisiana) in 1998 as an exchange student. They also made us dissect frogs in science class. It was quite an experience because we didn’t have that back in my high school in my home country. My American lab partner was just like the girl in this series. She didn’t wanna do it and I ended up doing it all by myself😅
I dissected a fetal pig in high school, just like them. definitely couldn't take it home though, we had to study from our diagrams lol. my mom dissected a cat and did actually sneak it home to study, but she's not a killer 😆
We got to dissect a cat in the 90s. Not a regular science class, specifically Anatomy & Physiology, mostly Srs, a few Jrs in the classroom. If we found fetal kittens or any internal parasite we were to carefully remove them for preservation. That’s how the Biology lab got a lot of its specimens (in addition to farm kids bringing in their weird finds, like a two faced lamb)
Yes, the brother chenged his name. Since 2004 no one really knows what he's doing or where he is. His father said in an interview in 2004 that he is happy and has two children. Bless him!
I was on a serial killer kick when this came out so I was burned out and couldn't watch it at the time, but I recently saw a Hollywood Round Table with Tom Hanks, Robert DeNiro, Jamie Fox, Evan Peters, Shaia LeBouf and Adam Sandler. Evan Peters went into great detail about his preparation for the role. after that and learning that he won an Emmy for it, I had to watch it. I dissected a frog in 5th, 7th and 9th grade. We also did a crayfish and earthworm.
I really feel very bad for Jeff, of all the serial killers, he is by far the most interesting and inspiring. I would have loved to stay with him for some time.
It's giving"maybe I can fix him" lmao I jk I understand where you're coming from. You're thinking you feel bad for his upbringing (I do too tbh. I feel like if he was brought up better he wouldn't have been like this) and that had you have been his friend in school, you might have made it better in some way.
@@BoswellFamily24 exactly, being his friend in high school and consoling him is what I was thinking 🧐, maybe I could have made things a little happier and bearable.
This brings up the nature vs. nurture argument. I personally believe he wasn’t born into becoming this, not entirely at least. I believe his horrible upbringing and lack of access to mental health care is what ultimately made him into the monster he became. He had the pre deposition, but lets be frank so do a lot of other people yet they don’t act upon it. At the end of the day, he is entirely responsible for his own actions. I do, however believe it’s part of the explanation of how he became what he was. Not an excuse, but an explanation. I can’t help but to wonder if his childhood had been different and he had help that maybe those 17 young men would still be alive.
i personally feel like if jeffery got the help, god forbid , the 70’s-80’s (even now sadly) where mental help wasn’t where it needed to be. if system didn’t fail him and the system didn’t fail the victims , they would all be alive and probably living their lives well . Rest in Peace to the victims and i hope the victims families are at peace (even tho this show came out)
So uhm...I had to dissect a pregnant cat at my high school (my group's cat was the only one who was pregnant). I'm beginning to feel like we were the only ones who did this since I haven't met anyone else with a similar experience. The teacher even took out the fetus and I remember just gagging. Update: Found out it's common in medical schools - however, they usually keep the male and female cats separate to avoid pregnancies. I have a faint memory of my teacher telling us our cat had "a very special surprise" when we found out it had a baby.
I watched this whole series and I had a migraine after it...honestly, beautifully done and evan peters nailed the role but it's a deep, intense watch, and it's hard at times, I cried a few times through it x
"you never once let me helped you with your projects that you do with your father".-mrs Dahmer. First off, you're the one that complained about how the dad never spent time with Jeff, and now you're pissed cause they didn't include you? Second, you wouldn't have want to be part of something like that anyway. This woman was straight up bat shit crazy
Joyce (Jeffrey's mom) = Irrational emotional unstable Lionel (Jeffrey's dad) = Has liking towards the science of animals' organs (and teached it to his son), that's already weird enough Environment = Neglection and emotional trauma from a broken home, bullying. Jeffrey was a mix of broken mess from all of those things.
I think you are right. Can’t stop thinking about it, discussing with friends who are my True Crime buds. Its so well done and leaves you just numb. As horrible as this portrayal is.. when you hear what he was doing with the bodies. It makes it infinitely worse than what is shown. Beyond horrific. Horror movies are not as depraved as Dahmer was in real life.
It’s not even top 10 of the year and you think it’s the best one😂😂😂 Better Call Saul, The Boys, Barry, House of Dragons, Severance, Ozark, Sandman, The Dropout, Peacemaker, Rick and Morty, Reacher, Peaky Blinders, The Bear, Atlanta, etc…>Dahmer
We had to dissect a frog in 8th grade which I refused to do. I actually have a video yearbook that shows kids jabbing a frog in class. Super weird. Now it’s done on the computer I think.
One thing that bothers me: These shows/movies always seem to portray Steven Hicks as a bro stereotype douche teenager. His family and friends make it sound like he was quite the opposite. Like he was really kind spirited and accepting. I always envision him being a lot nicer to Jeff and that being why Jeff didn't want him to leave.
Yea in 5th grade they made us dissect frogs. This was back in 1991 or 1992. Even as a child I knew it was wrong for me. I remember being uncomfortable about it. And I said I didn’t want to do it. They told me I had to. Which is fcked up. I remember just half assing it and not really doing much. Kinda messed up to try and force kids to do that.
What I think is yes the show explains very well that his father did mention things to him as a child that creep up later and he was diagnosed with different psychological conditions but there was true evil inside him. When you hear about the things he did in prison to just pass the time to entertain himself, the last guy to nearly be his victim he literally told him he would eat his heart, imagine what he told to the other victims, he didn’t have to do this. The way in which he went out and lied to his victims to get them to his flat and how he could manipulate the people around him was just vile. We’ve all had times where feel alone, abandoned by the people who should never do it but it happens. It’s also so bizarre how much he messed up all the chances he had in his life, it’s almost pathetic how incompetent he was. School, university, army, jobs. It’s almost like all he cared about was getting drunk and acting out his compulsions which a lot of people do his compulsions were just to an vile extreme. It’s like even up to his first victim you could sympathise with this lonely child who was so lonely he lashed out and did this awful thing but everything after that he should have grown the hell up and bared his pain and done something positive about it. He loved what he did, he was a very disturbed selfish man.
For me, this story was as interesting and beautiful as it was bad or scary or whatever you call it, I really agree that everything is formed from childhood and human childhood, and Jeffrey also paid the price for that childhood and the behavior of his parents.. ., hoping for a world full of peace and love..
I saw a series of Tiktok videos from a young woman who studied criminology in Milwaukee and got to see the actual crime scene details and photos. She said he used to hang the bodies on a butcher's hook in his bathroom and slit them from genitals to chin. This is something that has never been detailed in any show on him that I'm aware of?
@Sir Christofer Braxton right? It’s so annoying lol like wtf 🤣 maybe it has never been mentioned on any record because it is not true 😭😭😭 but they don’t even stop to think about that before they regurgitate the fake stuff they consume
@@ConfidencePT no he did not. Ed Gein did that. Dahmer did not. This is all documented. Just because some chick on tiktok told you so doesn’t mean she is right.
i dont think small areas a young man drunkenly taking a midnight drive would get in much trouble anyway.. now or then.. depending what kind of cops aswell ofc@@hbk314
His name is Steven hicks first victim poor Steven used for documentary and shows and movie remember who he was and how he died his kindness and his big heart and his smile and who he was rip steven he was only 18
Thank you guys so much for not engaging in romanticizing him. I am a bit more apathetic side about this guy because.. I myself had a schizoaffective period in my life and there are so many people out there who are mentally in a much worse place yet did not kill and still have no intention of killing. Physical punishments at home, being different. I was heartbroken when there were comments like “I actually felt sorry for his death” and “I actually thought he was hot and bummed it was not more gruesome”. I’m like this show is only a part of it, imagine “the gruesome” was ‘only’ a part of this serial incident. No. I hold no sympathy. I had to stop at ep 4 and go on google to read the most cold, objective, facts only. What people really should take away from this is the victims’ tears and that only.
His mom had post partum depression, but at the time it was not known about, so her hatred against her children was a medical reason. Sad nonetheless but that is what happens when we are looked at as "baby machines" like our mental health is not of concern as long as we can reproduce.
Dennis Nilsen but they call him the brittish Jeffrey Dahmer because they were pretty similar but not on everything and he was scottish but it took place in England moved there in the 70’s there’s a doc about him on Netflix too it’s Called memories of murder the Dennis Nilsen tapes there’s also a mini series about him Called Des and that was the nickname he went by if you’re gonna watch it i recomend to watch the tapes first before Des. Anyway thanks for the reactions i’ve watched the whole series
I'm not saying Jeff isn't fully to blame but His family life, His parents and childhood was just horrible for him so I can understand how he turned out, when no one helps a kid in need, That's how they can end up.
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Dahmer himself said that he was, in fact, “born this way”. But what I appreciate about this show is how it shows the absolute perfect storm of inherited mental illness, abandonment, isolation, loneliness, repressed sexuality, family dysfunction and alcoholism that, while maybe not having “made” Dahmer, certainly contributed to his psyche.
Damn right he might be born that way, perhaps but certainly his origin surely contributed more of what he had become.
Well said…there are ppl that are born with a mental disease/disorder similar to Dahmer’s but if the ppl around you notice that and treat you with love and compassion some of them can contain themselves
@biibiib buubuub I don't
@biibiib buubuub Don’t worry about that guy. He’s calling Dahmer “the goat” saying he should’ve been freed and that we’re all just soft. Just an attention seeker.
@@TheAdamChaney no I'm serious you are soft
The brother did in fact change his name and phased out of the public light and no one knows his new name or what he’s up to … good for him
I’d do the same thjng
Unless he is doing the same things and no one knows👀
I assume walking through life with the name Dahmer would be similar to having the name Hitler. Even if you weren't closely related the reactions would get old real fast.
@@Averagedrummer00pt 😳
@@buzzardbeatniks my parents are good friends with a couple whose last name is Dahmer.
I also think he was always going to do it. He had a lot of the signs of a psychopath (soon to be serial killer) but what kills me on Jeffrey’s part (who I hate because he targeted so many POC knowing society at that time did not care about them whatsoever) is that you’ll see there were several times he actually asked for help or began to plead that something was wrong and he felt it but he got shut down at every turn. So by the time he was full blown sociopathic killer he had shut himself down.
This could’ve been stopped at so many different points, it’s heartbreaking.
Loving the reaction and discussions
But Dahmer wasn’t a psychopath. They tested him for this and he failed the test. He actually had severe borderline personality disorder
@@blackcatbrewz that’s interesting. I had always thought he was psychopathic because the animal killing and the sadistic compulsions! Thanks!
@@kernaishaxoxo youre welcome! Yeah he was tested for that and failed. I also don’t think he was actually a sadist. He also did seem to possess empathy because he drugged and then strangled his victims so they couldn’t feel anything. He was diagnosed for BPD and I think also schizophrenia and lots of people think he was autistic too
It's up to the individual whether they want to believe him or not obviously but I just wanna point out the real life Jeffery Dahmer said he didn't care about the race of the victim it was always about looks for him.
Also the scene like what you mentioned that really got me (and really the only time I actually empathized with his situation during this) was the Dinner scene in I believe episode 4.
When he's with his dad and his stepmom and is seemingly trying to confess to the Steven Hicks murder and the feelings he'd been having and his dad just shuts him down (I think because he thinks Jeff is about to tell him he's gay) with the idea of going to Ohio State god I really hope that scene was fabricated for the sake of making it more dramatic cause if not that's so fucking depressing to think there were so many times so early on people could of stopped this and didn't.
The amount of times the justice system does Jeff a favour so not to "ruin his life" is sickening...
The show does a good job of highlighting the complete negligence of officials that kept giving Dahmer the benefit of a second chance.
It's insane the type of shit you could get away with back in the day with the power of white privilege.
Goes to show why no one should be considered above reproach. It can open the way for continued and even worse horros
I got it, but imagine fucking every one up because a guy sliped up in the past. Tis is just an extreme exemple, but you got draw a line between total control and slack on the police side. Both ways can end in a dahmer situation.
Can’t qwhite put my finger on it.
I'm no expert but I was raised by parents who grew up in this era and this is a VERY ACCURATE depiction of what life and culture was like in the 50's and 60's, from making fun of mental illness, toxic masculinity to hush it up and dont talk about it mentality" and educational dissections 🤷♀️😬
Explains my papa so much ❤️
@Wicker 2 For the worse too.
It still blow's my mind as someone who grew up in the 2000's and 2010's that there was ever a time that they'd just let teenagers buy all the alcohol they want no questions asked.
Yep 18 was legal age in the states until the mid 80s I think
@@isabelvalentine I'm amazed that this didn't set off any red flags with people who saw this young man getting hammered in the middle of the day during school even at points and did nothing about it like that's not normal behavior for a 18 year old kid regardless of whether it's legal or not.
The scary thing is is that dahmers side of the stories are all we'll ever know.
But they're backed up by officers confirming all these things. Jeffrey hated what he was in every way possible. He admitted everything in detail so I actually believe his accounts
@@prodigalbrock I think I do too
@@prodigalbrock I wouldn’t trust his account completely. That Dean Hughes guy we saw in the series was found dead in his apartment in 1991 and Jeffrey said he didn’t kill him. It’s still a cold case today.
He also claimed that he killed Tony the night he met him yet Tony’s friends and family say he knew Jeff for a long time.
Also read up on what he did while he was in the military according to other comrades of his, a lot was left out of the series and he didn’t admit to everything.
@@alex_n215 I don't really think he did anything to Dean personally. It doesn't fit the way Jeff killed at all. It's a low income community with lots of shady folks around, coincidences do occur But yea his account isn't entirely trustworthy I agree there.
he even wanted the death penalty
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You guys make the awkward scenes so much better 😂
They did in fact find Steven's remains behind Jeff's house, if only the cops had arrested him back in 78:(
they found his remains bc he told them where they were at after he was arrested… otherwise they never would’ve known.
@@yoda9256 jeez, so was the way Steven Hicks was killed just how people speculate he was killed? Because it happened so long after Jeff's arrest.
@@Smiley0.1 jeffrey told them how he killed Hicks. it’s not speculated, it’s assumed that Jeffrey was telling the truth.
@@yoda9256 true, but I mean like we only have Dahmer's word on it, no solid proof because it happened so long ago.
But he doesn't seem the type to lie so meh.
I can't wait for you guys to see episode 6 so emotional 😭
Dahmer really was like the serial killer version of Napoleon Dynamite. I binge watched this whole show in 2 days and it was phenomenal, The guy who plays Dahmer deserves an Oscar and the production team did an amazing job at setting the tone and recreating it almost perfectly. I have to rate this show 10/10.
Check out AHS Cult. Evan Peters is such a good actor
@@dylankennedy6020 any AHS with Evan Peters is good tbh
Dahmer is definitely an imperfect storm of nature and nurture. Plus. He could have been caught multiple times. Some speculate that he had supernatural guardian "angels" that prevented him from being caught. My personal opinion... he got away with so much due to the police department's relationship with the community. If this happened in this generation, he would have been arrested sooner and many lives would have been saved.. It is really heart breaking on the what if's.
He moved to a predominantly black neighbourhood because he knew as a white guy there was less chance of him getting caught.
4:40 I think one of these guys made the comic book "My Friend Dahmer" about various stories from when they went to high school together. Apparently there was another even angrier mentally ill guy at that high school at the time, but as far as anyone knows, he never killed anyone. It was a pretty good comic, but didn't have a continuous story to it. Just a series of random scenes from all the times they interacted with him, saw him drinking around school, and times he creeped them out. 16:00 Yes, that absolutely happened. Most serial killers almost get caught several times, and only continue getting away with murder because the police are stupid or lazy, and usually don't care about the gay men or sex workers who are their victims.
It's pretty well documented from what I've seen so far. Now, I'm a late 80's baby. Grew up in the 90s. When Tracy got out, I was only 3, so I'm just now learning the story. It's so eerie how similar Evan sounds to Dahmer. It's so exact. He's nailed it.
Not many people catch it but in the part where he k1ll's the guy, as soon as he realises hes dead he says quietly "ill never speak to him again" while crying, he didnt even care hes dead, just that he cant be with him anymore...
Jeffreys brother did change his name & the last known thing of him was he graduated from college in Cincinnati,ohio in 1991 & as of 2004 he was married with two kids. Lionel (Jefferys dad) is still alive & lives in Ohio. He actually helped with this show
Love your reactions!!!.
down in ohio, swag like ohio
I was actually wondering about Lionel. I did read that Joyce died back in 2000.
How do you know Lionel helped out with the show? I tried looking into that but didn't see anything about it. I did, however, see that he might sue Netflix for "glamorizing" the victims' murders. So if he helped with the show, that's super confusing to me. I don't think the show glamorizes anything, it just sheds light on what happened imo.
actually I dont think Netflix contacted Lionel about this show?
Did the dad get paid ?
It said there is no evidence that the hernia surgery would have primarily caused his violent tendencies. However I believe very strongly the hernia stunted his emotional development from age 4. Think about it, he shows as having the social mentality of a child, all his one sided responses. Much like his parents, it's not 100% the reason, but it is a puzzle piece for sure.
I just finished editing episode 5 and Bridgette brought up how much of a child he was acting like to his grandma. You might be right!
I have a friend who told me that after a surgery, to remove tonsils I think, her young cousin became stunted. He didn't become a murderer, but he seemed to stop maturing emotionally and intellectually.
The cops did a horrible job time after time after time
Their awful track record is why I don't blindly "bAcK tHe BluE"...
Most government workers and middle management are lazy and inept. I generalize because that's the general experience. The ones who do well are the exemptions to the rule.
Most cases are "solved" by snitches, sloppy perpetrators making obvious missteps or evidence unearthed decades later.
The only thing that they're good for are writing traffic citations and history reports.
I finally finished the show and I need more therapy after everything
That scene he get pulled over by the cops is real! It’s not made up! He did encounter the cops that night and had the perfect excuse to get away. 😔
Really enjoying your reactions! Excited for the next one! Glad I found your channel👍
Loving these reactions. I think of all the serial killers I’ve heard of and watched documentaries on, Dahmer is the one that disturbed me the most. I had nightmares about him when I was younger. 😬
lol ur just soft
Imma have nightmares after the fish gut scene and how he liked cutting open the pig we gotta cut them open in science and we’ve only ever opened hearts now I’m gonna feel ashamed for thinking science is cool
I personally found him the most interesting on a straight physiological level 🤔 😳
I’m surprised no one outed the little brothers new name if he changed it,… like he went to grade school and probably college with Dahmer as a last name,… people must know the little brother from his childhood
5:10 Ryan Murphy also puts a frog dissection in season 3 of AHS. The witch undergoing her ordeals to become a Supreme is an animal lover so her worst memory is being forced to harm a live animal by her sadistic teacher.
I was thinking this ain’t real too but remember this was the 70/80’s he could literally get away with it
Whilst I don't feel sorry for Dahmer as such, he's very self-aware, he knows what he's doing and how wrong it all is and tries to reach out, but he's either ignored or pushed away.
I'm a horror/true crime fanatic and I found this series to be super creepy and disturbing.
A beautiful flower can spring up out of a garbage heap, but occasionally, it vomits up a monster.
I have actually dissected a pig but it wasnt until college. In high school we did a worm a shark and a frog. I am not a murderous being but I did really enjoy being in the lab doing all of those things. I see some people who said they were required to do the assignment. In my experience there was always some people who didn’t want to do it and they were always able to sit out !
Wait... shark?
Hunny, that is a smell you will never forget. The hallways smelled like it for dayssssss. It was a tiny baby shark lol.
This is definitely a chilling series, it goes in depth with the victims story and it’s just sad, it gets more sick, keep up the great reactions!
The Truth Is Out There… with e X-Files music. I was laughing so hard.
His dad said he used to have dreams and fantasies about killing people when he was young
But he didn't act on them which makes him better. What he had is now called "intrusive thoughts "
His father said to just think of the fish as a woman because he knew Jeff liked men & he didn't want him to be a homosexual, he had enough problems with his marriage already & his job being extremely stressful that he just wanted his son to be as normal as possible & wanted him to like girls like normal men & just want Jeff to be normal & live a normal life but he still loved & supported his son even after he discovered that his teenage son only liked men because he loved him & wanted him to be happy regardless & obviously he didn't expect the news of insanity that he learned about his son in 1991 when Jeff got caught but he still loved him & still tried to still be a loving father even after Jeff went to prison!!!!! His father was a very strong man & obviously got a real raw deal thanks to his wife & obviously his son Jeff💯 it's kind of sad when u think about it because most ppl only thing about the killer or the victims or the victims families or even the police & media but nobody really cares about or gives any sympathy to the killers own family that still actually loved the evil monster of a person!!!! It's a colossal mindfuck of a situation to be in not just because u feel guilt for your son becoming a monster & ended up the way he did or guilt for the victims he brutally Murdered and the guilt towards they're families because it was they're son that ruined so many lives but also because they get blamed for it & they get constantly harassed daily for the evil deeds that they're son did & they get used by the media & worst of all , they know that they're son will always haunt them because of what he has done!!!!!
Dennis Neilson was similar killer operating in London in the 1980s. David Tennant starred in a drama about the investigation called Des. I'd love to see you review it.
Keep it coming..love you guys.
They still do dissections in school. I did a frog, worm, clam, squid, and rat. But this was in a zoology class so that’s probably why we did so many.
In grade school we did worms, frogs, and starfish. There was a virtual option tho
Jeff always left his brother alone. Thing about him he knows what he does is wrong. But he does it because of an overriding desire. This is something he wanted his brother to see nothing of.
The thing is, now that we do know what signs to look for, there have been steps taken to prevent serial killers from developing. Given, lower income communities have less access, and the results are often high functioning individuals who abuse in other ways or just alienate everyone over time. The big signs for serial killers in early childhood include trauma to the head or surgery where something went wrong (brain damage due to anesthesia). There's bed wetting into the teen years, but also setting fires (not like building camp fires, but lighting up a field or burning a beloved plant or something) and of course, torturing animals. Now, when it comes to animals, it can be complicated. Lots of kids grow up fishing, myself included, and don't kill anything but fish. It's really the socially unacceptable animal violence that is the indication, knowing society would frown at something, but doing it anyway. Also, interest in anatomy or even taxidermy can be a healthy hobby for kids, but it needs to be emphasized that respect for life is vital. Teaching a kid that yeah, bodies and anatomy are cool and they can ask questions is important, as well as teaching empathy.
High functioning sociopaths generally know what will get them arrested, so attempt to avoid those behaviors. The reason you don't hear about the one's who start to show serial killer signs but don't go on to be one, is simply that successes like that don't make the news. Yay, we diverted a future killer by making him a dentist. Huzzah. Let's look at something depressing now.
Speaking of depressing, thanks for this episode. Liked your reactions and I hope that you continue this series
dahmer wasn’t a sociopath or a psychopath
@@yoda9256 that may be true. I was using the terms more loosely to describe lack of empathy or displays of aberrant behavior. I've heard it said that the better description for Dahmer would have been antisocial personality disorder. The fact is, many of the traits of APD overlap with sociopathy.
Thanks for posting that out. Rather than going back and editing my comment I will let this mistake remain so that others may learn from it.
Thanks, dude.
She was having issues before she got pregnant so I don’t buy post partum depression.
PPD is very tricky. You are more susceptible to it if you already have mental illness. It can actually make said mental illness worse as well due to the hormonal effects on our brain chemistry. I already had depression and then after I got pregnant with my son B O O M sewerslide ideation. (Also being in a toxic and abusive relationship on top of it) and then I got better and then I had him and the pregnancy hormone left and then the only thing i was motivated to do was take care of my son and keep him alive. I didn't shower, eat, sleep well, unless I was reminded by my wonderful grandma who would hold him so I could enjoy a hot meal and take a hot shower. Or stay up on the sleepless nights with me so I could grab a couple zs
I went to the US (Louisiana) in 1998 as an exchange student. They also made us dissect frogs in science class. It was quite an experience because we didn’t have that back in my high school in my home country. My American lab partner was just like the girl in this series. She didn’t wanna do it and I ended up doing it all by myself😅
powerful and disturbing series
I'm enjoying your reactions. keep it comming.
This is crazy that actually it's blowing my
I dissected a fetal pig in high school, just like them. definitely couldn't take it home though, we had to study from our diagrams lol. my mom dissected a cat and did actually sneak it home to study, but she's not a killer 😆
I dunno... if I were a police offer I'd be looking into mama Lurtz 😉
We got to dissect a cat in the 90s. Not a regular science class, specifically Anatomy & Physiology, mostly Srs, a few Jrs in the classroom. If we found fetal kittens or any internal parasite we were to carefully remove them for preservation. That’s how the Biology lab got a lot of its specimens (in addition to farm kids bringing in their weird finds, like a two faced lamb)
He stole the fetal pig from class after school he said so In an interview
I love your reactions ❤
Yes, the brother chenged his name. Since 2004 no one really knows what he's doing or where he is. His father said in an interview in 2004 that he is happy and has two children. Bless him!
I was on a serial killer kick when this came out so I was burned out and couldn't watch it at the time, but I recently saw a Hollywood Round Table with Tom Hanks, Robert DeNiro, Jamie Fox, Evan Peters, Shaia LeBouf and Adam Sandler. Evan Peters went into great detail about his preparation for the role. after that and learning that he won an Emmy for it, I had to watch it. I dissected a frog in 5th, 7th and 9th grade. We also did a crayfish and earthworm.
"The Deliberate Stranger" Mark Harmon as Ted Bundy. Unforgettable.
I really feel very bad for Jeff, of all the serial killers, he is by far the most interesting and inspiring. I would have loved to stay with him for some time.
I understand him that doesn't excuse what he did but I still understood him
It's giving"maybe I can fix him" lmao I jk I understand where you're coming from. You're thinking you feel bad for his upbringing (I do too tbh. I feel like if he was brought up better he wouldn't have been like this) and that had you have been his friend in school, you might have made it better in some way.
@@BoswellFamily24 exactly, being his friend in high school and consoling him is what I was thinking 🧐, maybe I could have made things a little happier and bearable.
16:47 lmao the way she looked at him
This brings up the nature vs. nurture argument. I personally believe he wasn’t born into becoming this, not entirely at least. I believe his horrible upbringing and lack of access to mental health care is what ultimately made him into the monster he became. He had the pre deposition, but lets be frank so do a lot of other people yet they don’t act upon it. At the end of the day, he is entirely responsible for his own actions. I do, however believe it’s part of the explanation of how he became what he was. Not an excuse, but an explanation. I can’t help but to wonder if his childhood had been different and he had help that maybe those 17 young men would still be alive.
Yea totally normal to eat people. Makes perfect sense 😂😂
@@JerseyBoy489 where did he even say it was “normal”
@@yoda9256 He implied it. Do you grow learning how to eat people?
@@JerseyBoy489 no one does. dahmer acknowledged this himself….
@@yoda9256 exactly So nurture argument doesn't make sense
i personally feel like if jeffery got the help, god forbid , the 70’s-80’s (even now sadly) where mental help wasn’t where it needed to be. if system didn’t fail him and the system didn’t fail the victims , they would all be alive and probably living their lives well . Rest in Peace to the victims and i hope the victims families are at peace (even tho this show came out)
Yeah we dissected frogs AND baby pigs in Biology (circa late 90s/early 2000s)
In 80s, I dissected frog in 8th grade, fetal pigs in Biology I (10th) and adult cats in Biology II (11th).
So uhm...I had to dissect a pregnant cat at my high school (my group's cat was the only one who was pregnant). I'm beginning to feel like we were the only ones who did this since I haven't met anyone else with a similar experience. The teacher even took out the fetus and I remember just gagging.
Update: Found out it's common in medical schools - however, they usually keep the male and female cats separate to avoid pregnancies. I have a faint memory of my teacher telling us our cat had "a very special surprise" when we found out it had a baby.
I dissected a cat in undergrad Anatomy
@@anonymoushuman8443 Did you ever come across a pregnant one?
I watched this whole series and I had a migraine after it...honestly, beautifully done and evan peters nailed the role but it's a deep, intense watch, and it's hard at times, I cried a few times through it x
"you never once let me helped you with your projects that you do with your father".-mrs Dahmer. First off, you're the one that complained about how the dad never spent time with Jeff, and now you're pissed cause they didn't include you? Second, you wouldn't have want to be part of something like that anyway. This woman was straight up bat shit crazy
Children's are the reflection of their parents and Jeffery is the perfect example of this
Joyce (Jeffrey's mom) = Irrational emotional unstable
Lionel (Jeffrey's dad) = Has liking towards the science of animals' organs (and teached it to his son), that's already weird enough
Environment = Neglection and emotional trauma from a broken home, bullying.
Jeffrey was a mix of broken mess from all of those things.
yea yall should keep going
since I don't have netflix I was wondering if they go in his military story as well because just adds to his really screwed up story
Yep. Where he drugged and abuse his classmates and eventually discharged cos of drinking . Most of his life were tackled as well as the victims POV.
Dahmer is the best show of the year
I think you are right. Can’t stop thinking about it, discussing with friends who are my True Crime buds. Its so well done and leaves you just numb. As horrible as this portrayal is.. when you hear what he was doing with the bodies. It makes it infinitely worse than what is shown. Beyond horrific. Horror movies are not as depraved as Dahmer was in real life.
@@billybobtexas Evan Peters did an AMAZING job as Dahmer
@@daveking7079 100%
It’s not even top 10 of the year and you think it’s the best one😂😂😂
Better Call Saul, The Boys, Barry, House of Dragons, Severance, Ozark, Sandman, The Dropout, Peacemaker, Rick and Morty, Reacher, Peaky Blinders, The Bear, Atlanta, etc…>Dahmer
OMG when he flushed the remains, I wonder how that effected the water system and if any ne got sick after that in that area. 🤢
We had to dissect a frog in 8th grade which I refused to do. I actually have a video yearbook that shows kids jabbing a frog in class. Super weird. Now it’s done on the computer I think.
One thing that bothers me: These shows/movies always seem to portray Steven Hicks as a bro stereotype douche teenager. His family and friends make it sound like he was quite the opposite. Like he was really kind spirited and accepting. I always envision him being a lot nicer to Jeff and that being why Jeff didn't want him to leave.
Yea in 5th grade they made us dissect frogs. This was back in 1991 or 1992. Even as a child I knew it was wrong for me. I remember being uncomfortable about it. And I said I didn’t want to do it. They told me I had to. Which is fcked up. I remember just half assing it and not really doing much. Kinda messed up to try and force kids to do that.
I also had to do frog disection in Biology, in 8th grade. But we could team up, my partner did the frog stuff, I wrote the paper.
3:34 LMFAOO ME TOOOO except i live with my parents so i made a mad dash to lock my door the second i realized what Jeff was doin
What I think is yes the show explains very well that his father did mention things to him as a child that creep up later and he was diagnosed with different psychological conditions but there was true evil inside him. When you hear about the things he did in prison to just pass the time to entertain himself, the last guy to nearly be his victim he literally told him he would eat his heart, imagine what he told to the other victims, he didn’t have to do this. The way in which he went out and lied to his victims to get them to his flat and how he could manipulate the people around him was just vile. We’ve all had times where feel alone, abandoned by the people who should never do it but it happens. It’s also so bizarre how much he messed up all the chances he had in his life, it’s almost pathetic how incompetent he was. School, university, army, jobs. It’s almost like all he cared about was getting drunk and acting out his compulsions which a lot of people do his compulsions were just to an vile extreme. It’s like even up to his first victim you could sympathise with this lonely child who was so lonely he lashed out and did this awful thing but everything after that he should have grown the hell up and bared his pain and done something positive about it. He loved what he did, he was a very disturbed selfish man.
8:11 i was laughing so hard
Uhhh
@@A.jmmmm04 his reaction to it I mean
For me, this story was as interesting and beautiful as it was bad or scary or whatever you call it, I really agree that everything is formed from childhood and human childhood, and Jeffrey also paid the price for that childhood and the behavior of his parents.. ., hoping for a world full of peace and love..
I can't speak for where he lived, but drunk driving wasn't even illegal in Florida until 1986.
We did virtual dissections at my school.
I saw a series of Tiktok videos from a young woman who studied criminology in Milwaukee and got to see the actual crime scene details and photos. She said he used to hang the bodies on a butcher's hook in his bathroom and slit them from genitals to chin. This is something that has never been detailed in any show on him that I'm aware of?
that sounds like Ed gein
That isn’t something Dahmer did
@Sir Christofer Braxton right? It’s so annoying lol like wtf 🤣 maybe it has never been mentioned on any record because it is not true 😭😭😭 but they don’t even stop to think about that before they regurgitate the fake stuff they consume
Apparently he did.
@@ConfidencePT no he did not. Ed Gein did that. Dahmer did not. This is all documented. Just because some chick on tiktok told you so doesn’t mean she is right.
I lived 5 blocks from Dahmer's grandmother's house for 10 years. I didn't know that until watching this series. Yikes man.
Had that cop done his damn job and busted a drunk driver, 16 lives could have been saved.
Sadly that was the time they lived in. OWI wasn't enforced at anywhere close to the level that it is today.
i dont think small areas a young man drunkenly taking a midnight drive would get in much trouble anyway.. now or then.. depending what kind of cops aswell ofc@@hbk314
just saw episode 6 tonight. guys, it really is a gut punch. Be ready because I was not.
not saying that episodes 4 and 5 arent good, they are.
His name is Steven hicks first victim poor Steven used for documentary and shows and movie remember who he was and how he died his kindness and his big heart and his smile and who he was rip steven he was only 18
Episode 6 is where you are going to yell at the screen...
I keep hearing this 😭😭
@@BRIDGECO1 😭just thinking about it kills my heart
@@BRIDGECO1 You have NO Idea...
Lmaooo bruh that's crazy at 3:11 man's hit his vape at the same moment as me. To top it I got the same one 😂😂
He named his little brother and he changed that name really quick heck I would have too omg it's just scary 😨
Is real. Yep
Danger is not a monster just a person that suffer to much in life and we ca not said we understand him nobody can just you know others serial killers
The brother did in fact change his name but ı gues he is now 40 and 50 years old he has two kids
What’s funny, is that his dad equal to him was as much of a delusional one, he just was earlier than that. Crazy how technology changes things.
Thank you guys so much for not engaging in romanticizing him. I am a bit more apathetic side about this guy because.. I myself had a schizoaffective period in my life and there are so many people out there who are mentally in a much worse place yet did not kill and still have no intention of killing. Physical punishments at home, being different. I was heartbroken when there were comments like “I actually felt sorry for his death” and “I actually thought he was hot and bummed it was not more gruesome”. I’m like this show is only a part of it, imagine “the gruesome” was ‘only’ a part of this serial incident. No. I hold no sympathy. I had to stop at ep 4 and go on google to read the most cold, objective, facts only. What people really should take away from this is the victims’ tears and that only.
Even peters terrifies me
The dad said he had thoughts. But never acted on them. Similar to Jeffery, getting a girl and controlling her. Etc.
4:25 lmfao 😂😂😂😂
we dissected frogs and pigs in high school and that was 2013 2015 lol
I am 42. When I was a teen I dissected a frog. I enjoyed it. I wish it was a pig. You don't see me going around and killing and eating people.
ik this is off topic but y'all should check out bullet train, really entertaining flick js came out on digital
Watching the Dahmer series is eerie and intense at the same time makes me sick watching every scene but I had to stay strong for it
So he’s Dexter or the other way around
His mom had post partum depression, but at the time it was not known about, so her hatred against her children was a medical reason. Sad nonetheless but that is what happens when we are looked at as "baby machines" like our mental health is not of concern as long as we can reproduce.
Episode 6 will break you guys … just be ready
His mother is crazy af
The final trailer for Halloween Ends is out
The show is great but it's also disturbing knowing that it was all real... Jeff's first victim, Steven Hicks. May they all rest in peace.
Dennis Nilsen but they call him the brittish Jeffrey Dahmer because they were pretty similar but not on everything and he was scottish but it took place in England moved there in the 70’s there’s a doc about him on Netflix too it’s Called memories of murder the Dennis Nilsen tapes there’s also a mini series about him Called Des and that was the nickname he went by if you’re gonna watch it i recomend to watch the tapes first before Des. Anyway thanks for the reactions i’ve watched the whole series
I don't think he was evil, just very very damaged in every way. Whereas some others are defo evil
Guess what yall Halloween Ends Final Trailer is out now 🎃🗡🗡
I knowwww 😂 couple more hours we’ll have a reaction promise! Long work day unfortunately
I'm not saying Jeff isn't fully to blame but His family life, His parents and childhood was just horrible for him so I can understand how he turned out, when no one helps a kid in need, That's how they can end up.