In Defense of Koba | Planet of the Apes
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- The character Koba from Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, and War for the Planet of the Apes is considered by many as pure evil. Many think that Koba is simply a ruthless villain with an unjustified hatred for humans.
Today I am here to change the narrative surrounding Koba from the Planet of the Apes. In this video I will revisit Koba's history and explain where his feelings of hatred towards humans come from. The protagonist of the Planet of the Apes films, Caesar had a love for humans and was unable to see Koba's disgust for them.
However, once you fully understand the past of Koba from Planet of the Apes, you will see him for the tragic and misunderstood character that he is. 
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Caesar said it best “Koba only learn hate from humans”
Yep!
Koba had every reason to do what he did because of what people did to him. But the fact that he killed the savior of his people and himself, and continued to kill the rest who disagree with him, showed that he had to be killed. Just like what Ceaser said "Koba fight for Koba". His arguments were right, however, his intentions, despite of the terrible things he had gone through, were not. To the other apes, it doesn't matter anymore why he had become this way. He was already this way and there was no way to save him and change him. You can feel sorry for him but still, he had to be stopped
Completely agree!
Mf didn’t listen to the video and came straight to the comments to yap💀😭
@@BdDreaEMDMan I did. The points in the video are exactly what my comment were replying to
@@flamingmonkey7712 You just pointed out that Koba was indeed wronged (literally tortured by humans for most of his life) but he killed his people’s “savior” and that it didn’t matter what he went through so he had to be killed. Just your sugar coated way of saying Koba was entirely evil/wrong.
@@BdDreaEMD Bro you entirely missed my point. I said what happened to Koba was indeed unforgiveable and it was a tragedy. He didn't DESERVE to be killed nor did he deserve what happened to himself. But he was already the way he was, he was a threat to the other apes already. Killing his own kind for his own purpose, and trying to kill Caesar would always happen no matter for what reason. It did matter what he went through, but not stopping him just because of that would do a lot of harm to the other innocent apes. There was no way to make Koba see reason again, while keeping the other apes safe at the same time. At this point, it's not about "who's right or wrong, who's evil or angel" anymore. Think practically bro. I do feel sorry for Koba, but let me ask you, what would you to about Koba in that situation? Just follow him forever and ever with no conditions, with the risk that he might kill you and your family some day just for having a different opinion? And also let me tell you something: A lot of human tyrants in history became the way they were, because of they had went through similar shit that Koba went through. We can feel sorry for them, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped
The fact koba is a bonoboo was a interesting choice since there one of the most peaceful great apes
I did not know this!
Yea they solve stuff with sex
@@Moth_MoviesBonobos in the wild almost never fight eachother and prefer to… “cuddle” instead
They just happen to look "ugly"
@@geox8485by cuddle he means sex
The fact that a bonobo, the most peaceful of all great apes could be traumatized and hurt so much to where it reaches this point it's just sad
I thought it was orangutans who were the most peaceful. Learn something new every day.
@@GreatOldOne9866 oh wait no they are never mind. Bonobos are the second most peaceful
@@lovepeople777 perhaps third if you count gorillas. Chimps, especially older ones are way more aggressive and violent.
What i find interesting about Koba is that his resentment towards humans isnt treated as him "being just as bad as his oppressors". The movie gives him the right to be mad about humans even though we also understand Caesar's perspective and desire for peace
The movie makes it pretty clear that Koba becomes just as bad as his oppressors when he sacrifices his own kind as a means to obtain his goals...no different than the humans who did the same thing to him.
Good way of putting it
Kobas actions are more justified than any “broken villain”
Agreed
I duuuunooo I feel like Dracula from Castlevania was pretty justified. Was traveling the world at his human wife’s request, as humans do by foot or horseback, in order to relate to humans, and to find cures for humanities woes. Returns home to find The Church burned his little house he and his wife had built, burned his wife at the stake, and DENIED HIS VERY EXISTENCE TO HIS FACE, CALLING HIM A “FICTION”!!!!! He EVEN GAVE THEM A YEAR TO REPENT. AND THEY MADE A HOLIDAY OUT OF THE DAY HIS WIFE WAS BURNED!!!! Dracula and Koba would get along. Both want the destruction of Humanity, no matter the cost.
@@aaronbeckett4062not even close really first he committed genocides even before he met his wife he should’ve just killed those who were responsible but no he aimed for every country every city every human. There is irony in his first talk with alucard he said that any one of them could’ve said no to the burning of his wife which is what alucard is doing saying no to evil yet Dracula tried to kill him exactly what the church would’ve done to them. Dracula was wrong and there is no justification for it especially if you your self are far worst than them he used to kill for the joy of it anyone he has killed had the same value of his wife
@@mix-jk3ys yes, however Dracula had straight up begun to change. Koba had as well. Both had begun to heal and grow in a more positive path. Had it not been for the Church killing Lisa, and had it not been for Malcom and the others showing up in Dawn, both Dracula and Koba wouldn’t have fallen into the darkness they found themselves consumed by. Dracula had committed genocides before, yes. HOWEVERRRR HE WASNT DOING IT WHILE WITH HIS WIFE!!!! So at that time he was a good man doing his very best to change and give humans a chance. I fully believe if those men hadn’t been at the armory AT ALL, and Koba had been watching let’s say the town or stronghold, then it’s possible he would t have reacted the way he did. When he saw humans gearing up for potential war he saw them as getting ready to attack. Had he not seen them preparing and such, I don’t think he would have flown back, confronted Caesar and got his ass whooped, humiliated, and then turned on Caesar. Both characters had a higher road that they could have taken, but gave into the rage and hatred, which all us humans have experienced, which connects us to them and makes them relatable. And Dracula LOVED his wife. Don’t try to say he saw her as the same thing as every other human. If you believe that than you didn’t watch the show, your blind to themes and nuances, and you just are making up your own narrative. Koba also ENJOYED THROWING ASH OFF OF THE STAIRS TO HIS DEATH. Koba could have straight up killed Caesar with the gun he had when Caesar confronted him, but he wanted to enjoy hurting Caesar and beating him in front of all the other apes. Both are broken characters.
Also I can tell you don’t have a wife. I do. If I was in Draculas situation, and what happened to Lisa happened to Kaylee, I would literally do the same exact as Dracula.
@@mix-jk3yskoba was wrong too and there’s no justification for his actions either
Koba's brain has most likely been damaged due to all the horrible experiments (torture) he had to endure in captivity. No one can blame him for his hatred towards humans, but his hatred towards apes showed that Koba, tragically, was a menace to everyone and had to go.
Poor guy didn't stand a chance.
It says a lot when a Bonoboo is actually driven to pure hatred of another species. Koba's story is a dark and sad.
Koba was right that the humans were a threat, but his desire for revenge was his downfall. He wasn’t able to recognize that the humans he hated were long gone, and he turned his pain outward onto humanity as a whole to cope with his trauma.
This is a really good character study! You are very right, Koba is a victim of circumstance. Both Koba and Caesar are also warnings into the dangers of black and white thinking. Caesar was right, that peace should be the first option, but Koba wasn't entirely wrong either. Human nature wouldn't let us accept that they were above us in the hierarchy. Conflict would have started regardless.
Thank you! I really like the way you put it! They are warnings depicting the dangers of black and white thinking, so true!
@@Moth_MoviesThinking on it more even, I think Caesar and Nova in War were a good example of black and white for Caesar, too. When he lost his faith in humanity, he shifted from white to black in a sense, and he would not even allow himself the compassion to take care of someone he knew was a vulnerable child, and in that he was having a conflict with Koba in his own mind, his view having to shift from black and white to a shade of grey, and accept that humans aren't all bad. Coming back to being a leader and dying for his people was him breaking free of that in a way. Nerding a bit now, but thank you for the thought provoking! :)
@@Bawiea 100% Caesar battles with Koba’s extremist beliefs in his head throughout War. Until he ultimately finds a middle ground (gray shade) like you said. And no worries at all 😂love talking Planet of the Apes!
Even if the humans did seek peace first, there's no guarantee it would've lasted over generations. And there's plenty of ways the apes could've started wars.
@@majorcoats7777My point was that conflict would have arisen regardless, as two dominant species like superintelligent apes and humans would never be able to live alongside each other, because at least speaking from a human standpoint, I don't think we'd be able to handle it. War was always going to happen, which is why I was talking about how it is not black and white.
Actually I’d argue that the colonel in the “war of the planet of the apes” was actually just as correct as koba was. The colonel argued that one species will always strive and climb for superiority that’s just the way of nature. He knew that if the mutated disease continued along with a species that’s stronger than humans but just as smart continued then humans would be cattle. And he was right. 3 centuries later and the civilization of apes are hunting humans for sport now
What I’m saying!
Is there anything wrong with that though? We hunt animals too, the apes are just carrying out their role as the superior species
Koba’s deep hatred to humans is understandable but he doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong
Yep!
I don't think Koba was right about attacking Malcolm's settlement. If things went Caesar's way that group of people could've been his allies and the Colonel would not have attacked Caesars tribe. And even if that fight was inevitable Caesar could've had human allies in the fight against the Colonel
The colonel killed malcom
@@gregjones8429 We don’t know that for sure. It was in a deleted scene, so it’s not canon.
I don’t think Koba was wrong to be distrusting of the humans. I think spying and gathering information to relay to Caesar was the right move…I think cutting Carver outta the equation…should’ve happened sooner. And I think that just about every choice Koba made after that was outrageous and excessive. So much so that it already solidified the human ape divide. That’s a clear declaration of war…storming their colony with weapons while confiscating their tanks, and then locking up or killing all the humans they can. Also, in the last movie from that trilogy, there was a divide btwn the apes too. Some chose to divide away and serve the humans while fighting/undermining the apes. Losing that many apes through casualties and betrayal detracts from Caesar’s power to alter or resolve the situation…particularly when most of the humans were very Carver-minded 🙄😒👎🏽
He’s a “literally me character” just broken…
Ironically and unbeknownst to him, Koba got exactly what he wanted, the extinction/downfall of the human race when he lashed out against Will and his colleagues in Rise of the Planet of the Apes during when he was being tested with the ALZ 113 virus, and the part where Franklin's mask fell off and he was directly exposed to it. Thus making him Patient Zero, and then sneezing on the airplane pilot, thus causing it to spread even more across the planet, and infecting most of the human population.
no he didn’t lol, why do people keep saying this? The 113 would’ve broken out even if Koba didn’t do that, the ape rebellion on the bridge exposed countless people to the virus, and Gen Sys probably would’ve moved on the human trials and infected people that way.
Koba and Caesar would have been a deadly duo against the colonel. 💀
let me know if you can make a fanfic out of that
so will you let me know if you do
@@joycehowe8162pls do
I feel like Dracula from Castlevania was pretty justified as well. Was traveling the world at his human wife’s request, as humans do by foot or horseback, in order to relate to humans, and to find cures for humanities woes. Returns home to find The Church burned his little house he and his wife had built, burned his wife at the stake, and DENIED HIS VERY EXISTENCE TO HIS FACE, CALLING HIM A “FICTION”!!!!! He EVEN GAVE THEM A YEAR TO REPENT. AND THEY MADE A HOLIDAY OUT OF THE DAY HIS WIFE WAS BURNED!!!! Dracula and Koba would get along. Both want the destruction of Humanity, no matter the cost.
There is a saying that "Every villain is the hero of his or her own story" and I feel like both Koba and Colonel McCullough from War for the Planet of the Apes define that quote.
His actions were unjustifiable and how one commenter said, he needed to go, but he was right that humans would not respect the apes and wanted to prevent the massacre we see in the movie, but he was too blinded by rage that he came off too extreme. I don't think he is an extremist rather reacting to the reality around him and could have complimented Caesar had they both understood what they were feeling but that was definitely one of their limitations. Great vid!
Thank you!
Yes I always understood koba reasons even if he's actions were wrong you understood his hatred towards them. But still he was to dangerous cause he didn't help any of the other apes after Ceaser returned. Showing he was like scar. He valued power and controls over others.
The thing about koba Is that he Is a Bonobo which aré some of the more friendly species of ape
Nah i disagree when you said Caesar failed to see humanity as a treat at first, honestly if Koba didn't let his hatred consumed him, it all would've been fine and the humans got what they wanted without a bloodshed thanks to Malcolm, i know Carver as well is really stupid but it was a good idea to keep him in the car everything was going right until Koba killed 2 humans and shot Caesar with the very gun he stole and kill the humans with just to gain power and start a pointless war. I do get he hates humanity so much but it consumed him so hard that it puts his whole race and brothers in danger.
All fair points
@@Moth_Movies Thanks man, also I love the vid and you made a lot of great points that many ppl did not understand about the movie or the point of what Koba was.
@@Moth_Movies But you low-key spoiled my ass on that Kingdom one about the girl 😭
@@euronico7949 on me 😭my apologies
i think koba was not right but neither caeser was. i agree both of them, koba was blinded by hate and caesar was blinded by love. in comparison koba faced way more hatred and evil from human then caesar recieved love from them (just one guy)
Same, I agree with both of them to an extent.
Agreed … my take precisely!
I will stand by the claim that Koba is one of the greatest villains in cinema history
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Yes, this is an amazing video, I also think Koba just went to war with the wrong type of humans, they probably would have left the apes alone since they had just gotten power and would try to work with apes. I feel like Koba would have been seen as a sort of an anti-hero if say, he went to war with the Colonel instead.
Thank you! That’s a good point! He attacked humans that didn’t want to go to war. But, nobody would bat an eye if it was the Colonel.
From the very beginning when i first watched the trilogy i sympathized with Koba and understood his points so his death for me was kinda sad, but at the same time it had to be done because he went too far for attempting to kill Ceasar and the death of green eyes made me sad because he knew what Koba was doing is wrong and didn't wanna go down this dark path Koba was taking the apes down
Koba is the goat, bro had every reason to be the villain he was.
Koba is a great character, all the apes are really well written in that trilogy.
So well written!
In war, we see why koba was so determined to rule over the humans, and when Caesar gave them a chance that is when they attacked the apes. Koba kinda knew what was coming and wanted to eliminate humans because he knew how cruel they could be
But Caesar already said in War that Koba started the war
Excellent video bro!!! Can you do a defense video about Scar from the Lion King. I can tell you the best possibility of why he became so called pure evil because I understand him just like how you understand Koba
Love the idea! Will look into it for sure!
@@Moth_Movies I’ve written my own version of The Lion King origin between Mufasa and Taka(Scar’s real name) it has 15 pages in it. If you’re interested please let me know but you cannot share this with anybody else because it’s my idea.
Short video essay in a car, that's cool
Pretty chill tbh
loved the vid
Appreciate it!
Yeah i never saw Koba as a villain. The only time i felt like Koba went too far was when he killed Ash and let the other ape die in his conquest to kill humans.
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He literally killed the 2 humans that were practicing shooting 🤦🏽♂️
“Koba still haunts us.”
I never really thought much about the character
Fair enough 😂
Idk Koba was pretty evil. He broke one of the two rules in the ape kingdom. Ape don’t kill ape.
Bro killed Ash for no reason....
I know man 😪
Koba is still evil, but he is an understandable villain. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
I also dislike his extended backstory as it exaggerates his tragic past. Personally I find that his scars being caused by experiments to hit harder. It mirrors Ceasars origin, being a product of the experiments. It critiques animal testing, and it shows humans cruelty even when we have good intentions (bettering human quality of life/curing alzheimer)
To be honest Ceasars rule was pretty dumb
That is correct my man the truth
Koba is magneto.
you wanna know something funny if koba and caesar talked about evreything they went through with each other they whould have found a middel ground
i agree with you for the most part i say he was a good ape gone bad
you could say hes a bit silly at times i guess but boys will be boys 😅😅
Monkey lore goes crazy
For real
The worst things ever done were done with good intentions
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I feel bad for hating the guy😭
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The owls are not what they seem
hell naw Koba doesn’t care about apes he just wanted revenge.
Nah 🥱
your right exept that koba didnt try to kill ceaser and start the war for the apes he did it because his hatred consumed him and in dawn you see koba kill other apes often so that he can get closer to killing all humans
100%
No koba DID try to kill ceasar and frame humans so they could go to war fym
I feel the term "pure evil" is extremely vague and can kinda confuse the conversation. Like I'd be willing to call Koba pure evil in the sense that he has absolutely no redeeming qualities by the end of the film.
What makes Koba even more tragic is that you can see he's genuinely happy between Rise and Dawn. He loves Caesar, Ash and the apes. But once his bloodlust is stoked, his hatred would inevitably clash with Caesar. Koba's big flaw is similar to Caesar's in that he has a black and white worldview, which gives him an insurmountable fear of losing the control he'd finally gotten over his life. This is exactly opposite to Caesar who's black and white worldview gives him too much faith. He sees all apes as good and all humans as lesser, which is why he turned a blind eye to Koba's red flags. Caesar is debatably almost as responsible for Koba's actions as Koba himself
Btw one thing I wish Dawn did was show interactions between Koba and Maurice, since Maurice also never really had a positive interaction with humans, yet he remains arguably the most compassionate ape in the series
Great Vid, but with Koba taking action against the humans didnt he provoke a threat that wasnt fully there yet? As if he had done nothing the humans wouldve left the apes alone instead of going into war
Yea, I think that’s a fair point. I don’t think Malcom’s group of humans would have gone to war. But, even they had humans who wanted war with the apes like Carver. Plus, the Colonel would still fight the apes. Koba knew War was inevitable, unlike Caesar.
do one for proximus ceasar he aint even do none
Good idea!
Koba and Caesar reminds me of Megamind and MetroMan
I side with koba
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Same
I might watch the video, I'm undecided at this point..
But, I've been noticing videos like this recently, (I'm also a fan of Planet of the Apes), and I don't understand the controversy around Koba!!
Koba (was) an intelligent being, and what intelligent being loves his or her abuser?
It's common sense, it's showing self love to hate someone who abused you!!
I think there is another reason why people think it's so controversial that Koba hated his abuser, but to hate someone who does bad things to you makes perfect sense to me
Totally fair
Koba was right
Honestly…
You have to agree that he lacked wisdom.
Well he shot morice so yeah the biggest crime
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Okay but hear me out…Carver sucked! The apes knew it. The humans knew it. It wasn’t the most devastating loss the world has seen 😅 it might have been the right choice for both species
Honestly 😂
HailKoba
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Thanks fantasy football boy
kobas badass
Why did he kill rocket's son tho
I know 🥲
Smoking on that Koba pack🚬🚬
Ffs 😂
Even when you take away his bias of humans, he still had a lot of reason to do what he did. Humans drew first blood, and in response Caesar simply made a statement to them, no retaliation, and yet Dreyfus and the majority of humans had bad intentions for the apes even after being directly told they would not be attacked unless provoked. Koba's hatred and suspicion of humans was accurate as he sees them training and arming themselves as a response to Caesar's peaceful proclamation, what the humans did effectively showed that war was going to come, Koba was right to initiate it when they were weak, if they had waited for humans to strike first then the apes would have been massacred.
As a human, why would I take sides in promoting equality in this scenario? No one is surprised why he did what he did but trying to justify it morally speaking from our perspective is beyond silly, we gain nothing from it. The things he advocates for is a threat to humanity and eventually became their undoing so he is evil.
Yeah it’s a tough argument to get behind, I hear that.
@@Moth_Movies agreed
Considering the virus evolved, the humans would have eventually attacked the apes regardless of what Koba did.
True
Koba did nothing wrong. Let's Caesar experience everything Koba suffered, I believe Caesar would turned into an even crueler Koba, given his higher intelligence
Edit: nvm he killed Ash so he deserved it
Koba was wrong and he was a monster
Koba literally got a lot of the apes killed or badly injured just cause of his lust for revenge he did a lot of wrong
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Appreciate it! 🙏