Hi! At around 11:44 you apologize for getting the ratios wrong and say "some have shared with me the right ratios on my other channel". Any chance you can post the correct ratio of water to ground coco coir?
The coir bricks may not be as convenient to use as the loose stuff, but I regularly use 650 gram bricks of coir with 4 cups of vermiculite (at least, it's easy just to eyeball it), and 3.5 to 4 quarts of very hot water. If the substrate (after soaking 4 to 5 hours) is still a bit wet, I just add a bit more vermiculite to get it to field capacity. It takes time, and a bit more work to ensure the coir is broken up and hydrated, but even with the added expense of vermiculite, I have found it to pretty much replicate sensei's bucket tek every time.
Suggestion for you. If you take accurate measurements of both your water and coco prior to the soak, then measure the amount of water you squeezed out to reach your ideal field capacity, you should be able to figure what your ideal no-squeeze water/coco ratio is. As long as you have the bucket lid on through the entire soak and no water is lost to evaporation, i think this should get you pretty close to dialed in. Hope this helps.
i have a question, so if i kept my bucket of substrate in say like 65-70 degrees would it still be okay to jus use or does it need to warm up, also if water does evaporate is it okay to re pasteurize?
Always add less water than needed. If you need more then you add more boiling water to keep pasteurizing. If you add too much water then have to add more coco you’ve dropped the temperature and therefore are just hydrating and not pasteurizing.
I bake my substrate in the oven at 140F for an additional 20 mintues. I live in a cold climate and the hot water is probably not pasteurizing much because the temp quickly drops inside the bucket.
@@floorfungus4209 Yeah just add the coir and water to a turkey bake pan. Mix it up. Then put it in the oven with aluminium foil on the top of it. Poke a few holes and insert a temperature guage.
Use two buckets. Drill holes in the bottom of the one you're putting the coco coir in. Place a spacer in the bucket so the water can run through the first bucket and gather in the bottom of the second
Like everyone says and everyone said since bucket tech was around at first 650 one block of Cococoir I always do a quarter cup calcium carbonate to bring the pH up the rest gypsum two quarts of vermiculite 4 quarts of water. The morning before I plan to make up the mixture I'll pour a little less than half a quart of water into the busted up substrate just break it up with my hands a little bit shake it around and the next morning it's fluffy and then I make the whole batch up with hot water with the boiling water and it's really freaking easy I mean it takes nothing this time the first time I'm putting some nutrient in the coco coir I'm putting some a very small amount of malt extract to see if it spreads faster I might get in contaminates doing that but I'm trying just a test I put maybe two tablespoons for a whole bucket tack just to give a little tiny bit of nutrients for it to spread faster remember the faster you get the mycelium spread faster mushrooms grow the less chance of contaminant so it might be a wash
I was just looking for this, thank you so much. You're a lifesaver! Thanks so much for watching and for taking time to write. Hope you have a good one.
Why would you not add the amount of water you need at the beginning to reach field capacity and then just shake the bucket up and roll it around to mix it up when you're ready to make your bins up I don't get it because you're exposing it to contamination by squeezing it out as you're building I tip tilt the The bucket up into the bin and drag just enough out and mix it close the lid done very little exposure
@@raytry69 Thank you. I heard that at the beginning. of the video. At around 11:44 he apologizes for getting the ratios wrong and says "some have shared with me the right ratios on my other channel". It is that channel I was wondering about.
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Hi! At around 11:44 you apologize for getting the ratios wrong and say "some have shared with me the right ratios on my other channel". Any chance you can post the correct ratio of water to ground coco coir?
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Substrate ratio: coco coir (125 grams, if dry brick; 190 grams, if loose), vermiculite (50 grams), gypsum (5 grams), and boiling water (3 1/2 cups, if brick coir; 2 1/2 cups, if loose coir).
The coir bricks may not be as convenient to use as the loose stuff, but I regularly use 650 gram bricks of coir with 4 cups of vermiculite (at least, it's easy just to eyeball it), and 3.5 to 4 quarts of very hot water. If the substrate (after soaking 4 to 5 hours) is still a bit wet, I just add a bit more vermiculite to get it to field capacity. It takes time, and a bit more work to ensure the coir is broken up and hydrated, but even with the added expense of vermiculite, I have found it to pretty much replicate sensei's bucket tek every time.
Most recipes I’ve seen that had that much water, also called for 500ish grams of vermiculite. That would probably correct the saturation issue.
Suggestion for you. If you take accurate measurements of both your water and coco prior to the soak, then measure the amount of water you squeezed out to reach your ideal field capacity, you should be able to figure what your ideal no-squeeze water/coco ratio is. As long as you have the bucket lid on through the entire soak and no water is lost to evaporation, i think this should get you pretty close to dialed in. Hope this helps.
i have a question, so if i kept my bucket of substrate in say like 65-70 degrees would it still be okay to jus use or does it need to warm up, also if water does evaporate is it okay to re pasteurize?
Always add less water than needed. If you need more then you add more boiling water to keep pasteurizing. If you add too much water then have to add more coco you’ve dropped the temperature and therefore are just hydrating and not pasteurizing.
Philly's recipe is 650g coco, 2 qts (8cups) of vermiculite, 1 cup of gypsum and 4.5 qts (18 cups) water.
💯💯 ive been using that recipe for over a year and havent had any issues
Turkey bag and pressure cooker. Simple and easy
I bake my substrate in the oven at 140F for an additional 20 mintues. I live in a cold climate and the hot water is probably not pasteurizing much because the temp quickly drops inside the bucket.
how do you do this, dump wet coir into ovens?
@@floorfungus4209 Yeah just add the coir and water to a turkey bake pan. Mix it up. Then put it in the oven with aluminium foil on the top of it. Poke a few holes and insert a temperature guage.
Use two buckets. Drill holes in the bottom of the one you're putting the coco coir in. Place a spacer in the bucket so the water can run through the first bucket and gather in the bottom of the second
This is awesome, I'm stealing this. Thanks for the idea and thanks for watching!
Like everyone says and everyone said since bucket tech was around at first 650 one block of Cococoir I always do a quarter cup calcium carbonate to bring the pH up the rest gypsum two quarts of vermiculite 4 quarts of water. The morning before I plan to make up the mixture I'll pour a little less than half a quart of water into the busted up substrate just break it up with my hands a little bit shake it around and the next morning it's fluffy and then I make the whole batch up with hot water with the boiling water and it's really freaking easy I mean it takes nothing this time the first time I'm putting some nutrient in the coco coir I'm putting some a very small amount of malt extract to see if it spreads faster I might get in contaminates doing that but I'm trying just a test I put maybe two tablespoons for a whole bucket tack just to give a little tiny bit of nutrients for it to spread faster remember the faster you get the mycelium spread faster mushrooms grow the less chance of contaminant so it might be a wash
@@ClownWhisper thank you!
It's approximately 2 & 1/4 quarts (2.1 litres) of hot water per 650 gram brick of coir.
I was just looking for this, thank you so much. You're a lifesaver! Thanks so much for watching and for taking time to write. Hope you have a good one.
Would love to know if you found out what the correct amount of water is to add. Let me know!
I think his recipe was 650g coir with 350g vermiculite and 50g gypsum. That would probably balance the water.
You’re right: 650g is 650g
You're missing the 8 cups of verm, I do 1300g coir, 16 cups verm and 2 cup gypsum and I have found about 5.25qts of water to be the sweet spot
Isn't adding gypsum make it in to substrate instead of casing?
650 grams of dry coir bricked is about 12 quarts of loose coco .
Why would you not add the amount of water you need at the beginning to reach field capacity and then just shake the bucket up and roll it around to mix it up when you're ready to make your bins up I don't get it because you're exposing it to contamination by squeezing it out as you're building I tip tilt the The bucket up into the bin and drag just enough out and mix it close the lid done very little exposure
Theres always contamination the goal is to minimize it
Did you find the ratio?
Yes! Some other viewers helped me out. It's about 5 quarts of water to 650 g of cocoa coir. Hope this helps!
5 quarts of water is just about perfect for 650 grams of coco ✌
Thank you!
@@TheMycologySociety. ✌
Hi! Any chance you can post the ratio of water to ground coco coir? I do not know the channel you are referring to in the video.
Philly Golden Teacher
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@@raytry69 Thank you. I heard that at the beginning. of the video. At around 11:44 he apologizes for getting the ratios wrong and says "some have shared with me the right ratios on my other channel". It is that channel I was wondering about.
@@Shainito I see. Please let me know when you find out. Thanks. :)
@@raytry69 sure. I will be knocking up my own batch soon so I will let you know how that works out. cheers
if the oryginal one was with gypsum you know why its soupy ;)
Nice thanks for the vid, what are you usinsing the substrate for is it oister ?
Let the man keep it a mystery
Silk hose and a cheap sous vide heater from Ollies. You're welcome.
You need Vermiculite!!!
i mean its not necessary but it definitely helps, if u wanted to u can jus use coco coir
And perlite
it has asbestos it’s healthier like this🙄